stormshadown log analysis | Ravenholdt | Page 1

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:06 PM

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we always do this in separated channels 🙂

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:06 PM

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so i post here from now ?

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:07 PM

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i, and others who want to join the log analysis will post about the gameplay here

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:07 PM

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oh, that sounds nice

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:07 PM

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it is just easier to seperate things out, as this allows you to read back whenever you want as well as us to have a channel that gets not burried in other messages in case of a fast channel flow

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:09 PM

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so next time i want some1 helps me analize my logs i post in #subtlety and an admin creates a new post ?

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srry for my english, not good enought

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:10 PM

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yes, basically if you want help gameplay wise you just ask in the specific channel of the spec and somone else will open a thread like this

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:10 PM

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ah nice nice

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:11 PM

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you can, if you want also look at old threads, but i haven't found a lot of players do that

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but to get towards your log

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:12 PM

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I see

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:13 PM

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first, one big question towards gear

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you play the venthyr covenant, venthyr is noticeable worse than kyrian

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if you want to increase in pure output, it would be good to maybe consider switching covenant

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:15 PM

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sec i brb

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:15 PM

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yes, don't worry, this is more of a forum, its possible that i or others won't respond directly

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the reason why i bring it up is that the difference is quite noticeable with ~6% dps

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also towards gear, even if you stay venthyr did you sim conduits

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rising gear levels and changes to deeper dagger could make it at least on single target worse, jailer is mostly single target

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:20 PM

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IM back

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:20 PM

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looking about uptimes, slice and dice and rupture seems fine.
Shadow Dance uptime looks a bit low, but that might be due to gameplay related issues

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:20 PM

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i play ventyr cuz kirian seems hard for me, because of the combo points

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:22 PM

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graceful ridge looking about uptimes, slice and dice and rupture seems fine. Shadow Dance uptim...

yeah i think because i dont use it properly sometimes because, imagine, i use shadow dance and i didnt timed the boss hability where u have to run for example and i enter in cd without using the dmg of the cd

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:22 PM

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you also don't play PV

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even tho it should sim better

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:23 PM

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what is pv ?

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:23 PM

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Perforated Veins

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a conduit

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:24 PM

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its a better conduit for single ?

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:24 PM

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yes

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better since Sanctum

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:24 PM

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how can i sim the conduits ? i mean, i enter raidbots and i dont find where i can test the conduits

graceful ridge Aug 21, 2022, 6:27 PM

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moment, in raid

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you can sim conduits in top gear, like this:

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(i am atm in raid, so might come back to gameplay/etc later or else tomorrow morning)

real linden Aug 21, 2022, 6:35 PM

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Thank u dude, dont worry hehe, u are helpping me a lot, when u have time and u feel good u write me here, im learning so much

graceful ridge Aug 22, 2022, 6:06 AM

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Shortly going over some gameplay mistakes.
you can start with strike-snd, there isn't a big reason to backstab before that.

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after the first dance ended, you ended up on 5+ cp.
You never start dance with high combo points, so you would have finished before dancing again

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you did end up on ~3 cp after the 2nd shadow dance

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in that case it would have been better to vanish-strike-finish-dance

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also you ended up using backstab as first gcd in dance

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not sure if that was intended or a mistake

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it could be that it was due to bar switch issues

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if so, i would recommend using a macro with dance + shadow strike

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the same here again, you dance with high combo points

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you should always start dance with low combo points

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the reason is that your main benefit from using shadow dance is being able to use shadowstrike

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by using a finisher first, you reduce the potential amount of shadow strike casts

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there is a insane amount of downtime after that

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esp. on hereoic you can avoid downtime easy

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the raid affix with the movement speed buff should help even more

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and you can use cloak offensively

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basically what i say is, you should use shadow step, cloak of shadows, sprint and the soak affix to your advantage

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flag is played weirdly here

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basically how you play flag is

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to flag-finish-cooldowns

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so in that case flag (if off cooldown) should have been used before symbols/dance

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in case of shadow dance, you in both cases have backstab as first gcd

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so it seems like you run into the bar switching issue

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i shortly explain why this happens

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basically, if you use strike/backstab on the same keybind the blizz ui is switching to slow

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so w/e if you use a macro or backstab and shadow strike on the same position on the regular/stealth bar

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the game will think that you are not in stealth and send a backstab

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the easiest solution to this is just simply to macro shadow strike to shadow dance

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(the bug only occures if you press keys fast)

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unsure why you used 2x evis there

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maybe parry

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this shadow dance was not nessecery there, even probably bad

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flag was played rly poorly here too

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first of all you had symbols ready on 2:07

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so you already delayed symbols

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given you used it on 2:25 the delay was ~18 secs

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what is way to long

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symbols is basically a "on cd" use

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flag use i explained above already

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you basically start with flag-finish-cooldowns

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so in this case you probably had no shadow dance charge because of the use at 2:02

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but also did not line up symbols

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both should have been used in combination with flag here

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and your flag use continues to be rly bad

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basically flagallation is the one core spell you need to play around as venthyr

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you plan around the use of it

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the reason you flag-finish is to get stacks immidiatly

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the reson you line up cooldowns is just that it makes sense

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shadow dance gives you higher combo point generation

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what means more shadow strikes

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what leads to more finishing moves

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and more stacks for flagallation

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if you play it badly like above

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you lose a lot of stacks, means also lower cdr on flag and worse alignment or less flag uses over a fight

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so in a sense, playing venthyr is fairly punishing if you play it bad

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i won't iterate the backstab issue, as this happened throughout the entire log

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also things like this shouldn't happen

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also in terms of efficiency, just one example

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your symbols casts here

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are way to far appart

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in general, it seems like you use a macro for dance + symbols

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that is not always perfect

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because you sometimes need to use it during shadow dance

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this is also rly bad

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always symbols-dance

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if you have no dance charge, you did something wrong

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for your trinket, it seems like you only got 2 uses from it

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not sure entirely, but you basically want to use cache when axe is up if you don't do that already

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so summary:

use symbols on cooldown (if possible, delay is accaptable for up to 10 secs for flag)
plan more around shadow dance, e.g. don't use it when you need it for symbols or if you are on high cp
use shadow step/etc more to lower your downtime!
play flagallation correct!! (flag-finish-cooldowns)
use a macro to eliminate backstab as your first shadow dance builder
re-consider covenant + conduit choice

real linden Aug 22, 2022, 12:26 PM

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OH my god man, such a great analysys, i got so many thing to improve, can i have active this analysys in order to check it ? thanks so much

graceful ridge Aug 22, 2022, 12:28 PM

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the thread archives when there is not enough activity for some days but can always be brought back from that state by simply typing or viewed in the archived state

real linden Aug 22, 2022, 12:28 PM

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then ill copy paste this in my pc

graceful ridge Aug 22, 2022, 12:29 PM

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it won't be deleted

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so don't need to worry

real linden Aug 22, 2022, 12:29 PM

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ah nice, thanks u man

graceful ridge Aug 22, 2022, 12:30 PM

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worse case you find it under this section:

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