classic-discussion

[sudden shell]

hi

[reef vigil]

damn, this dead af

[royal remnant]

how are you doing, fellow content dodgers?

I am disappointed, ngl.

[ruby umbra]

Yo, what spec to play now for HC raiding?

[stable frost]

Hey, I'm new to rouge for TBC and going to try and learn for PvP/PvE. I'm currently playing human and wondering what professions would be considered "best" for both aspects of the game.

I've heard JC is good for trinket, engi is good for goggles and tinkers but BS is good for mace in P1.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

[muted pagoda]

Grab it before it gets deleted: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackVault/comments/1o5dfae/tradingview_premium_lifetime_v296_fully_unlocked/

[sudden flame]

JC/Engi is BIS.

JC gets access to more powerful gems, and Engi gets a ton of tricks plus goggles.

[robust mountain]

hello where can i ask about wow retail as a new player

[half prism]

[royal bear]

yo does anyone have the rogue mop discord?

[half yew]

#classic-discussion message Rogue Classic

[near snow]

Hola

[tardy lynx]

cooking up a sub build for classic hardcore. curious what you guys think, how much value does MoD give in pve would i actually notice it would it help me get the back easier?

[sturdy cedar]

I played sub a few runs, it's a lot of fun. You really have to be selective on your engagements, and MoD can help with that but it's less important when you consider that you aren't really fighting much your own level on a melee run.

I am a camo shill, but that's mostly cause I don't have the attention span for slow movement.

[hoary sand]

What spec do you guys think is best for phase 6 PVP with naxx gear? Mace stun spec 2x maces? Hemo swords? Or daggers spec with kingsfall

[tardy lynx]

Does nelf make your regular stealth better as well or just while using shadow meld?

[half yew]

Improves all stealth modes

I forget by how much

[primal zinc]

https://www.change.org/p/reinstate-ags-new-world-aeternum-team

[swift swallow]

https://shadowpanther.net/stealth.htm heres a good spreadsheet that breaks down all the stealth and stealth detection modifiers in classic by item/skill

[swift swallow]

I think a lot of people run cb/hemo still in P6 with an MSA MH and Claw of the frostwyrm OH. My rogue on era played daggers in raid so i typically ran the imp BS pvp spec with KF and DS for weapons which i feel like is still very viable. running tea and renatakis allows for very large burst in P6

[tardy lynx]

oh shit thank you

[fervent plaza]

does rogue playstyle change in classic and tbc cuz of energy ticks?

[thin pawn]

i just joing mop, what would you say is better to lvl as if you want to spam dungeons

[polar quest]

is there any good research for mop rogue min maxing? looked up on wowhead but there is no clear 2 bis professions

[winter rover]

best race alliance for pvp rogue in tbc?

[rotund bridge]

Human

[hybrid summit]

What’s the best PvP spec for rogue in classic? Just started playing on Nightslayer almost lvl 20 still unsure. I used to main a Druid and hunter back in the day decided to switch it up.

[half yew]

That's because there isn't a clear cut 2 bis. Engi is typically a default simply because it's on-demand which lets you sync to CDs and burst windows, but the 2nd choice can vary WILDLY.

Check pins for Rogue Classic discord

[gaunt bane]

I tried googling and cant find my answer so figured I'd try (and poossibly get flames) here and see what I get. Does anyone know of a gear set(s) for Classic SoD that a rogue can do solo invasion boosting?

[sterile pike]

Why does everyone hate on rogue in tbc?

[sharp tendon]

Hi all, I am new to leveling rogue and wanted to ask if deadly poison or instant poison is better on anniversary realms where there is no debuff limit. Is it still instant poison?

[half yew]

DPS is lacklustre and melee in general are hated on in the early phases due to mechanics and having weak aoe for dungeons. Still playable, but doing non-GDKP pugs might be annoying

[half yew]

Deadly technically is superior if it can stack to 5 and tick for a while. This isn't always the case, and there's a big issue in that all rogues feed into the same deadly stack, so effectively only one rogue can use it in a raid. This is a unique issue to Vanilla; TBC+ resolves it.

[sharp tendon]

Ah, ty!

[thin pawn]

hey new to rogue trying to see what class does better in dungeons and pvp. assass or sub

[patent drum]

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[sterile pike]

Are any of yall going to still be playing rogue going into tbc or switching?

[thorn flame]

Never played rogue in tbc, it’s that bad in it ?

[sterile pike]

the damage comes back in later phases but it has no raid wide utility at all

[half yew]

There is one use case being Improved Expose Armor. It's good enough that most groups will bring 1 rogue, but there's a lot of opinions on the ImpEA rotation; some people enjoy it, some don't. The big thing is the limited number of Rogue-fillable raid slots vs. the number of people that will play it, even in unoptimized raid groups. You've got for sure 1 in most groups, and maybe 2 in randoms/"for fun but still good" groups.

[limpid axle]

I'm tired of motherfuckers in school tellin' me, always in the barbershop

"Van Cleef ain't 'bout this, Van Cleef ain't 'bout that"

My boy a BD, on fuckin' Mathias and them

He, he, they say that Defias don't be puttin' in no work

Shut the fuck up, y'all Bitches ain't know shit

All y'all motherfuckers talkin' about

"Van Cleef ain't no hitter, Van Cleef ain't this, Van Cleef a fake"

Shut the fuck up, y'all don't live with that Defias

Y'all know that Defias got caught with a ratchet

Shootin' at the police and shit

Dudes been on probation since, fuckin', I don't know when

Motherfucker, stop fuckin' playin' him like that

Them Defias savages out there

If I catch another motherfucker talkin' sweet about Van Cleef

I'm fuckin' beatin' they ass

I'm not fuckin' playin' no more

[candid stump]

THESE BITCHES LOVE SOSA

[thin pawn]

how close are the 3 specs

in damage in pve and pvp

[hybrid summit]

Subtlety mainly mixed with assassination is top tier in PvP. Burst is insane.

Hemmo/cold blood is the way! Especially with TBC coming.. can’t wait for Shadow Step!!!

[thin pawn]

oh am i in the wrong chat, im talking mop

[spare condor]

hey MOP Classic rogues! advice, two diff BIS lists everything is the same accept they have the 522 vendor trinket as 2nd BIS with Rentaki's, vs Bad Juju ....juju seems stronger especially the thunderforged version >.>

[half yew]

It's two very similar output setups, but it's fight time dependent. Valor trinket being a "standard" one with a 2m ICD makes it tend to perform worse than double RPPM on odd-numbered fight durations, which for a lot of people does not matter. That makes the Talisman setup a lot easier to get.

The other changes in the gear is entirely due to the trinket swaps. Talisman has a ton of hit, so you have to remove it from elsewhere.

[silver wing]

any brilliant minds know why this macro only uses one and not the other? I've swapped them aroun da few times and its not hitting both, even with multiple presses, only whichever one is first in sequence. Please @ me as I don't check here often. Ty for your help!

[fervent siren]

I think blood fury is on GCD and was taken off in worlk

Wotlk*

So you'll likely need to make a simple cast sequence

[cinder aspen]

I have a question, I'm wanting to build a mace rogue for pvp and I'm struggling to find a solid build. If anyone has some tips I would appreciate it!

[tiny timber]

hello there, a question, is Krol Blade or Thrash Blade better?

[tawny linden]

Krol.

With Mirah's Song in OH. If Human. Any other race should consider daggers.

[tiny timber]

Im undead sword and going "fighter" rogue and sub dual spec atm sub for pvp on pvp server, so im looking for whats best in the 50 lvl range for both things, and have 0 experience with daggers at all xD

[tawny linden]

It's the exact same thing except you Backstab instead of Sinister Strike. As Combat.

Sub you can PvP with swords just fine with Hemo build.

For PvE you want weapon skill at 308 ideally. Only + weap skill items give dagger skill, so it's reccomended to use those instead. But Horde Warriors are going to use axes anyway because Orc racial, so swords won't be too hard to get.

[tiny timber]

ye, but in that case im not human, u still say krol? ive got it gifted so i could also go thrash and sell it, thats what im uncertain what to do haha ^^

[tawny linden]

Yeah

Krol is pre-raid BiS.

[tiny timber]

Thank You 😄

[tawny linden]

You get Mirah's Song from a Scholo quest chain so your Off-hand is easy enough to get also.

Err, lvl 50. I looked over that part, might not be able to get the OH then.

Yeah, lvl 55 required to pick up quest. Kirtonos the Herald - Quest - Classic World of Warcraft https://share.google/ZKBkeRRIY561TVmRG

[tiny timber]

Ye running blade of omen offhand atm

[tawny linden]

Oof, check the AH. A lvl 50 green item should be better than Omen. Granted your off-hand is mostly a stat stick. So don't blow a bunch of gold for 1 or 2 more stats.

[tiny timber]

ye stat stick that as fast as possible for also poison procs, can also be dagger i guess information on that is a bit wonky many ppl saying different stuff xD

[sullen adder]

Hello guys, I am lvl 31 rogue and would like to know what is good sword combo to buy from AH?

I atm have The Butcher in main hand and dagger in offhand, would like to upgraded so I am more lethal while lvling 😄

[wet nest]

Hey is there a more up to date classic rogue discord that also has tbc?

[clever loom]

Take a look at community page on wowhead, I’ve seen some classic discord links there

[teal pendant]

sad to ask this question idr tho but, what is the energy regen number after the decimal? I'm at 15.7

[half yew]

Energy (and all other resource types) are technically floating point values. The game only displays whole numbers, but that decimal place is tracked.

If you went to zero energy and then took two screenshots exactly 1 second apart, in the first you'd have 15 energy, and in the next you'd have 31.

[winged spire]

Guys when the pre patch comes, will it change anything in rogue leveling?

we dont get anything i guess

besides the exp world buff

[warm zephyr]

Never played classic wow
And I heard tbc is coming out
Really wanna try it
What game do i buy in battle net

[clever loom]

It requires active sub only, you may buy one of 2 cosmetics/mount pack though if interested

Just switch the type of wow from retail to classic anniversary above the “play” button in bnet app

[warm zephyr]

ty

[clever loom]

The only noticeable change is 33% required exp squish till level 60

[winged spire]

Rogues are SSS+ tier in TBC, very fun

pvp is insane for us, playing Subt with double swords

[warm zephyr]

I chose to casually play ffxiv until new retail expansion releases lmao

[winged spire]

goated game as well

i played alot of FFXIV in Shadowbringers

[warm zephyr]

first time playing it i just want something thats not sweaty so i can save all my patience for m+ aids until march

[winged spire]

yeah, great game for that.

its the most casual MMO imo, besides GW2

[stuck sonnet]

Hey everyone, anyone knows good pvp rogue classic wow disc by any chance ?

[sterile marsh]

Let me know of you find one 😄

[hearty stag]

what professions should i use while lvling up in classic? (anniversary) im a new rogue

[random frigate]

but only in pvp no? heard in pve they're on par with retri pala or boomkin, and that warrior is better + ranged are overall more desired like lock/hunter/mage

[wintry egret]

Not anymore! It's nerfed content so the fights are shorter. Which means rogues will be good again

[random frigate]

hmm, that's nice if true 😛

[wintry egret]

It is true 🙂

[random frigate]

is there a separate discord for classic/tbc or is it only this channel in general?

i'm CE in retail, but new to classic (59 lvl rn), and the gearing seems so confusing xD

dunno what dungs to run or where to aim

or if it's even worth it since tbc gear will be way better soon, but if there's a way to gear up better for tbc then why not

since there are 6 phases gear or something like that im confused xD

[wintry egret]

Stack up on ab,av,wsg marks. Wait for pre-patch and hand them in for honor

buy gear that way. Honor will be doubled, and prices are lower both in terms of marks and actual honor you need for the gear

[random frigate]

haven't touched pvp there yet, so i shouldn't do raids but pvp then? 😛

im tryna find a guild as well, but it might be hard to try out raids with them if i've got no gear for now xD

[wintry egret]

If you want to gear quick now before tbc, PvP is the fastest and safest way. The meta is to spam AV to gain as much honor as possible. Not now, but when the pre.patch hits

[random frigate]

so should I start doing AV before pre patch and in pre patch hand for honor, or both after pre-patch

[wintry egret]

Both. Honor is useless now. But the marks are needed.

Get to 20 marks if you can in av/ab/wsg. When TBC pre-p hits. Hand in those marks for honor (honor becomes a currency)

[random frigate]

okay, ty

[wintry egret]

And the reason I say 20, is because the marks are capped at 20 until pre-patch. Then it capps at 99 or 100

[vagrant ocean]

@random frigate @sterile marsh @stuck sonnet there’s a classic server linked in the pins of this channel, you can also look up Simonizeshow’s disc

[weak marten]

Hello I’m a newish player, with TBC coming, is ambush/backstab not used anymore? And will there be another burst build if so?

[lost coral]

hey guys, what would you say is the best race pick for a rogue in Classic Aniversary (TBC inc)? I keep reading trolls, and i am kinda almost fully PvE

[half yew]

PvE horde is pretty much just anything that isn't Undead. The difference between BE/Troll/Orc is too insignificant to be concerned over, as natural fight RNG will impact your DPS far more than any of those racial choices - assuming you're maximizing those racials. Orc is the easiest, BE requires a bit of management (and you may sometimes want to save it for the silence component), and Troll can be a massive headache to maximize as the effect is based on your healthpool.

[split geyser]

Is this the right place to pose a question regarding MoP classic? I'm looking @ wowhead's gem suggestions and it's advising Adept gems for orange/yellow sockets for assassin rogue. (agi mastery). When I plug that into wowsims, I lose a little dps compared to gemming Deadly (agi/crit) in those sockets. Wowhead says crit is the lowest stat prio, but for some reason the sim says i get more dps out of it than mastery. Is the sim wrong?

[half yew]

What's your current item level? I've never seen Crit go above Mastery. Generally speaking the priority is Mastery > Crit > Haste but sometimes Haste and Crit can flip around, but Mastery should always lead.

[split geyser]

516.9

not saying my crit is above mastery. just saying if i use mastery gems, my dps is a few hundred dps lower on the sim than using crit gems

[half yew]

Can you send an export link of your sim? It'll be a big link

[split geyser]

https://www.wowsims.com/mop/rogue/assassination/#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

[half yew]

So it does look like you're just in a situation where Crit and Mastery are extremely close in value. A lot of this is just drop RNG, but compared to my character (using identical gem setups) you've got only 200 less mastery rating, but 1000 less crit rating.

You certainly could change those Adepts to Deadly, however I don't think you're going to see a real DPS change from it.

One thing I did notice, you've got Nightstalker on your first talent instead of Shadow Focus. SF is significantly better, but you might've just had the the wrong talents when importing your character to the sim

[split geyser]

If i swap all the "deadly" gems to "adept" i lose like 53 dps

oh i am running nightstalker on purpose. i like the speed. ofc now i'm going to go look to see what shadowstalker actually does

[half yew]

I am curious if this is being impacted by how much hit you have, as it's not something I've looked into before. I'm the person maintaining the MoP Rogue sims

[split geyser]

Oh. 75% less energy when stealthed. nice but is it really that effective? being stealthed doesn't really account for that much time right?

oh nice 🙂 cool. Feels like i'm meeting (sorta) a celebrity

[half yew]

Everything on that row is only for stealth. SF is just mechanically better than NS. SF gives you a functionally free Mutilate (Dispatch in execute) cast, while NS is best used on an Envenom cast.

SF just adds more DPS overall from your Vanish casts

[split geyser]

/nod

wow. changing that talent in the sim resulted in a 7065 dps increase. That seems crazy for "a single mostly free ability maybe twice per combat"

[half yew]

It has a relatively massive impact on the opener as well

[split geyser]

Does the cost reduction linger for a few seconds or is it limited to only one ability?

[half yew]

Just the one

[split geyser]

This is why I didn't get good grades in math, lol. That really doesn't seem like it would make that big of a difference.

[half yew]

Look at it this way - Nightstalker adds 50% damage, so if you use all of them on Envenom, you're adding maybe 1-2 Envenom's worth of damage.

Shadow Focus on the other hand lets you generate more combo points for almost free. This has weird interactions as well with Shadow Blades this tier, so you wind up adding 3-4 Envenom's worth of combo points.

[split geyser]

/nod. To be honest, I mostly took NS for the speed increase. spose it would be wiser to swap it to SF for raids

[half yew]

Oh yeah NS + Burst of Speed is great for things like soloing old raids and dailies

[split geyser]

so basically tho, you're saying this is kind of an anomaly given my current gear level and in general it would be better to gem with the adept's agi/mastery gems instead of the deadly ones?

[half yew]

It's mainly two things
a) the difference is so small you're not likely to actually see that change do anything in-game
b) at any point it could flip back to normal so you'd wind up switching them again

I have no reason to believe that the sim is wrong, I just don't think it's a significant enough difference to actually do anything with it. If this was a Raidbots sim for retail, this would've been spat out as a result like "And 1+ other similar result" that it doesn't even display.

[split geyser]

/nod. Thank you ^_^

[fossil breach]

anyone have an accurate energy ticker?

nug energy is slightly off and it's messing with my openers

[abstract folio]

Real quick. which stats should I go for while leveling as a rogue in hardcore classic? Agil and Stam? How about strength an AP?

[fossil breach]

damn this channel is dead af

[graceful drum]

cause this server is kinda only retail rogue

[near horizon]

Is there a tbc/classic server?

[half yew]

Linked in pins. Rogue Classic is a catch-all for every version

SimonizeShow also does a lot of Vanilla/TBC/WotLK/CN Titan things in his server

[near horizon]

Thanks mate really appreciate it

[timber silo]

Does anyone know the strat for MOP - rogues getting ji-kuns buff 2x with cloak?

[half yew]

When the boss uses Feed Young, there's 2 different projectiles, a brown one and a green one.

You need to use a feather charge (so you have to do a nest first), and fly to the mouth of the boss before the brown projectiles fire. The brown projectiles will apply two buffs to you, and then you use Cloak of Shadows. This will allow you to get another stack from the Green projectiles that come a few seconds later.

This gives you ~24 seconds of at least triple damage. After the buffs end, you may need to soak a green puddle on the ground in order to do it again. If you don't do this, you will need to relog, otherwise you will no longer gain any buffs.

https://www.twitch.tv/justwoo/clip/PowerfulTalentedMooseTheRinger-ZVM-2HSXEp1InqpM

[timber silo]

thanks, i appreciate the detail

[opaque vortex]

Anyone know what the sims look like with new gems?

Rough idea I mean*

[fringe zephyr]

any rogue with experience going into tbc anniversary

i need help with figuring out needed addons and weak aura to use for tbc

[half yew]

Rogues gain around 6-9k DPS. Casters generally gain way more off theirs.

[opaque vortex]

That’s a shame, melee just living in a ranged dps world

[fossil breach]

could anyone put me in contact with a mod from the classic rogue discord. Trying to get unbanned. I got perma'd 6 years ago for saying the f slur during a moment of gamer rage

[digital copper]

The classic rogue discord seems to be a little quiet. I was looking to see if anyone could possibly do a log review for my guild mate. He's a sub rogue and giving inconsistent results as we are raiding ToT. If anyone would be able to do so, I would greatly appreciate it.

[half yew]

This will be even more inactive, Classic Rogue is more or less where everything is for MoP with a bit still in SimonizeShow; his is more for Vanilla/TBC/WotLK/CNTitan servers.

I usually circle around to any log reviews that sit for some time, but I've been out of town this week so haven't been able to.

[digital copper]

Well if you come across it and have time, would greatly appreciate it. Not expecting any crazy breakdowns, just if anyone can point out any glaring issues.

[cedar prairie]

im playing classic tbc what pvp weapons should I get for prepatch

im in a combat build with sword spec

but dunno if a different talent build + weapon setup would be much better rn

[sharp steeple]

Hey guys - Do rogues just suck in classic PVE? I've never played TBC but I mained my rogue for all of original classic

I still am planning to play just for the PVP dominance, but should I not expect a raid slot?

[half yew]

For general leveling you'll want the slow sword in MH and faster sword in OH. For pvp things can vary a bit and some personal preference exists, but still generally you'll want a slow non-dagger MH for Hemo builds.

[half yew]

Not so much that the class sucks, we're just not stackable in a raid comp, so there will be more people looking for raid spots than what exists.

Most raids will have exact 1 for applying Expose Armor and as a Glaives soak (along with possibly 1 fury warrior). Very few will take more than that.

[peak ridge]

Hello guys. Should i buy rank 14 sword 2.8 or 1.8 attackspeed or daggers for pvp ?

[half yew]

For leveling, one slow sword for MH and one fast sword for OH. Daggers are purely a pvp pickup, and unless you're playing Mutilate it'd only be in the MH; your OH you'd still prefer the faster sword.

If your question is for Era specifically and not TBC, then whatever your preferred spec is. I don't have numbers for what would be better in that capacity

[peak ridge]

Ok im asking for tbc prepatch pvp with shadowstep build. And ofc i will use when tbc Starts rank 14 weapons unless i get something better

I bought now slow sword and fast sword. Thx mate

[polar hound]

FARM lvl 70 TBC EPICS IN PREPATCH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdu2-qYDIkY

[flat mulch]

Is Alcor's Sunrazor a viable option for an assassination rogue for pvp in TBC?

[sonic tendon]

You want a slow heavy hitting dagger for ambushes and then an OH weapon with stats for damage

If you mean at 70 then... no

[flat mulch]

figured but thought I'd ask

[sullen timber]

What professions do I chose for TBC endgame pvp? I read about Engineering for the goggles or jewelcrafting for the ring. I think I wont grind for both crafting professions, so which one is more worth or is sth else better?

[clever rock]

I wanna get into wow tbc anniversary classic too and originally wanted to make a forsaken rogue but the server is alliance locked now because there are too many horde player appearantly. So I wanted to make a night elf rogue instead perhaps. In retail night elf rogue is pretty meta but what rogue is meta in tbc anniversary classic? Is night elf any good?

[sullen timber]

There are always windows where horde is open

[sullen timber]

.

Is open atm

[sullen timber]

If you have the window just create one with a random name. If you created 1 char your account is "horde" and you can create as much as you want without a window

[clever rock]

But yea so is night elf rogue a good race class combo or is there a better combo on the Alliance side?

[half yew]

Purely for PvP Human is the dominant choice. UD on horde if you choose that.

[torn moss]

Do you have any UI / WA recommendations youre using, or did yall create your own? 🙂

[inland vale]

[grand oriole]

sword hemo or backstab/abush spec for tbc anniversary realm pvp?

[half yew]

In prepatch, either.
At 70, dagger builds are dead

[feral lark]

swords less gimmicky?

also better for questing once portal opens

[cedar prairie]

What is the setup for combat rogue build duel wield swords to crit big dmg? I got r14 weps and blue PvP gear and I’m doing fuck all damage I know I’m fucking yo the rotation what’s my setup out is stealth to hit big on open?

I’m getting shit on in battle grounds

[cedar prairie]

Wait what? I just played with a rogue with shadow step ambush build with one main dagger and he was damn near oneshotting off stealth open. Is that build shit for end game tbc?

[half yew]

Resiliance kills it because it's reliant on crit

[cedar prairie]

So what’s the top spec for us in tbc end game?

If I go dagger/shadowstep/ambush rn is it just a waste of time?

[opaque vortex]

It’s combat with warglaives presumably

[sonic tendon]

You play combat swords/mace/fist

dagger rogue sucks in TBC for pve in all cases

[cedar prairie]

I went sub build last night with one dagger one sword and the shadow step ambush is so fun

Fucking sucks that’s gonna be dead

[steep salmon]

does anyone have any info on a great rogue source for ex; simonize

for tbc rogue info

or a good streamer rec

[cedar prairie]

Looking for same

[lost coral]

Hi, does anyone know which LW specialization is best for rogues in TBC Classic?

[ruby dust]

According to my previous knowledge there is no such thing as bisgear in LW for rogues.
Pick whatever I would say, if you want to minmax I think BS is way more important paired up with engineering or enchanting.

Engineering jewelcrafting is bis in wotlk, maybe you can work up there already.

[lost coral]

any idea which of them is the most profitable? I already skilled to 205 😄

[ruby dust]

Hmm can't tell you i'm sorry.
I think the most crafted will be leg enchants and the mount trinket.. doesn't require a specialisation in my opinion.

[lost coral]

oh sry i meant the LW specs

[ruby dust]

Yes, I don't think for the mount trinket or leg enchants you need a specialisation.

[lost coral]

wait, thats leatherworking? xD

[ruby dust]

Yea

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=25653/riding-crop

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=35554/nethercobra-leg-armor

[outer wagon]

Is it better to get the pvp blue gear over a couple of bits of the purple gear if you're freshly leveled in prep for tbc? I have swords and shoulders so far..

[nocturne gyro]

fiery or striking (+7 probably once gates open) on r14 mh for wpvp

dagger ofc

[novel maple]

Why does dagger ambush suck in tbc?

[sonic tendon]

afaik simonize's discord is prepped for TBC already he was the premier wowhead writer last time and his resources are still there

[sonic tendon]

It is just simply worse in all aspects of damage in pve, I cannot say for certain in pvp but to my knowledge it is still worse

[outer wagon]

shadowstep swords for pvp typically

Maces work too I think

[ancient crater]

Btw, we miss a guy to do spam of dung on Friday morning. if some1 want to do it, we're hunter, pala, lock and warr. Can be any. We can rotate to have any rol soo... All of us are in r14 gear. (950+ gs) :v

[whole valve]

for tbc leveling what poison set up is best for combat

double insta or 1 isnta 1 deadly

[carmine dagger]

do you guys take riposte for dungeon leveling?

[half yew]

Deadly is only useful if it can stack to 5 and tick for a while. That usually requires like a minute+, so no do not use deadly for leveling.

Double IP for damage, if you need the slow or are concerned about PvP swap one for Crippling

[half yew]

Riposte only useful if you will parry, so in dungeons it's useless

[proper crater]

i went lvl 58 boost on rogue as i played that in 2005 - how fucked up am i?

[paper void]

It's because of their speed. Slower weapons benefit more from AP. The weapon damage you see there is calculated minDamage + (AP/14 * weaponSpeed) so for the sabre it's 35 + ( 33 * 2.7) = 125 and for sword of omens it's 35 + (33 * 1.9) = 102

[boreal shuttle]

thank you so much! that is really good to know as a new player!

[winged ferry]

fun spot in classic tbc

[silk abyss]

Before getting Veteran's Musket what is the better ranged weapon? Mama's Insurance or Mark V's Throwing Star?

[sterile pike]

In tbc to get wf procs do I take off poison in man hand?

[sonic tendon]

Yes

[sonic tendon]

You probably want the hit option which I believe is the Throwing Stars

[silk abyss]

Thank you

[sterile pike]

Thank you, also is there a good weakaura everyone is using. My luxothos one keeps breaking

[sonic tendon]

I use a luxthos WA back from 2021 TBC

I assume you mean like the "class WA"?

[sterile pike]

Yes. Sorry. My rogue one keeps crashing.

[sonic tendon]

If you ask me later in the day I can send what I have been using, I frankensteined this WA to work in every version of classic that has come out since TBC lmao

But what I'll send over is what I am currently using in TBC

[sterile pike]

Oh awesome. Thanks man!

[graceful pewter]

how much hit do i need in tbc as a 70 rogue for pve? I see a wowhead guide that says 9% for abilities and then much more for white hits.. is this right? what is the optimal number for a pve dungeon/raid combat rogue tbc -- thanks!

[sonic tendon]

So the rogue talent precision gives you 5% of the 9% stated for "yellow" attacks (abilities), you're an undead so you'll never have heroic presence for the 1% if you have a boomy in your raid you get 3% hit from their improved faerie fire.

In the absolute worse situation (having no boomkin) you need 61 hit rating

With a boomkin's faerie fire on your target you need 16 hit rating

This all being said hit is generally your better stat over crit as more autos are better for hack and slash/combat potency procs

TLDR: you want 61+ hit rating for all content in pve and a bit less for pvp if you care

I'm gonna copy paste the messages Simonize has posted in his discord on the topic as he is the defacto authority on the first 2-3 expansions as rogue, I highly recommend checking out his content and community for anything rogue related in Era, TBC, wotlk or SoD

Hit Chance and Hit Rating

Bonus chance to hit is a valuable stat for rogues in Burning Crusade. You can gain percentage bonus chance to hit from the Precision talent (5%), from Improved Faerie Fire (3%) debuff from Balance Druids, and from Heroic Presence aura (1%) from a Draenei warrior, paladin, or hunter. The majority of your bonus hit chance will come from hit rating found on gear, gems, or food buffs. Hit rating converts into hit percentage with 15.77 hit rating giving 1% increased chance to hit.

Your total bonus hit chance combines Precision, Improved Faerie Fire, Heroic Presence, and all hit chance gained from hit rating. The maximum total bonus hit chance your character can benefit from depends on the level of the enemy you are attacking. This is called a "hit cap".

Level 73/Boss: 28%
Level 72: 25%
Level 71: 24.5%
Level 70: 24%

Since most of your bonus hit chance comes from hit rating, players often think of their hit cap in terms of a hit rating cap rather than these percentages. This is where it gets a little tricky though - because a player expecting Improved Faerie Fire on a boss will need less hit rating to reach their hit cap than a player who does not have Improved Faerie Fire. Likewise, a player attacking a level 72 enemy will need less hit rating to reach their cap than a player attacking a boss enemy. There is no single number that is "the hit rating cap" for all players.

This chart has the maximum amount of hit rating your character can benefit from. Look at the row corresponding to the buffs you have in your raid, and then choose the column corresponding to the level of the enemy you are attacking.

Gearing and Gemming for Hit

TLDR: There is no magic number of hit rating you must reach. It is just a stat like any other that adds to your damage output.

Many players treat hit caps as something they must achieve at all times, unwilling to unequip a piece of armor if it means they will drop below their hit cap. This is a bad approach and you will miss out on DPS upgrades if you think about gearing this way! Hit rating is just a stat like any other that adds to your damage output. In most cases one item is always better because it has more stats. For example, it is always a DPS increase to equip Shadowmaster's Boots over Edgewalker Longboots, even if doing so means you will be below your hit rating cap.

There is some flexibility in rogue gearing when it comes to gems and food buffs. Gems and food buffs are the main way you should manipulate your hit rating since they offer the ability to trade agility for hit 1-for-1. If you get a new upgrade and it lowers you below your hit cap, you can re-gem other pieces of gear to compensate - replace red agility gems with orange agility / hit gems, or replace orange agility / hit gems with yellow hit gems. Likewise if you equip a new item and are pushed over your hit cap, you can put in more red agility gems in place of orange or yellow gems.

Switching your food buff is another easy way to gain or lose 20 hit rating for 20 agility that is certainly less expensive than replacing gems.

Some players are only focused on boss damage, and those players should use their gem and food buffs to get as close to the level 73 hit cap as possible without going over. Other players care about optimizing overall boss and trash damage dealt in a raid, and those players should use their gem and food buffs to get as close to the level 72 hit cap as possible.

[clear perch]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/quest=1053/in-the-name-of-the-light

is this an available quest for classic era + rewards in hc?

[sonic tendon]

This is an alliance only quest but yes

[clear perch]

tyvm kind sir

[limpid creek]

correct me if i am wrong, (i usually am) but in tbc you cant have windfurry and a poison active on mainhand at same time

[boreal shuttle]

first time wow player here - is it worth it enchanting gear during levelling? currently at lvl 53, and thinking I will use my weapons for a bit (trash blade and hanzo sword).

[tranquil hatch]

Hey guys! What race do you recommend for tbc rogue? Human/ud?

[woven carbon]

Im currently lvling a Rogue, is there any weps that are kinda being held on for a long time, that is worth enchanting?
At the same time, im totally new to classic and boosted a Rogue - I dont seem to find a great guide with a dng build, lvl build or pvp

[fiery bear]

is there a tbc rouge group?

im new to wow and need some tips with rouge

i just hit 70

[nova bloom]

i’d recommend checking out the classic rogue discord

pinned in this channel

[inland vale]

done

[quaint gazelle]

Which sword combination do i use now?

[peak ridge]

hello, what is better as off hand combat rogue rank 14 quickblade or revenger?

[torn needle]

I'm a level orc 34 Rogue, during Anniversary I sold every piece of gear I owned and mailed my gold away. If I wanted to start leveling this rogue again, what would be the best BoE, easy gear pick ups, I could do to get back on track?

[half yew]

Revenger but try to get Latros out of BM

[half yew]

Easiest is boost tbh

Otherwise just anything with AP or Agi + stam. If you have a carry available, do the SM and RFD quests for some great swords.

[peak ridge]

Is dps better then stats like ap ?

Latros dont wanna drop. 17 runs and no trinket/ latros

[half yew]

Both matter, but also speed. R14 is a good bit slower which is worse for Combat Potency

[peak ridge]

Are backstab builds viable ?

[half yew]

Nope

Mutilate is still worse than Combat but better than Backstab

[peak ridge]

Ok

[quick knot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4i9KHEvGQc

[torn moss]

What do you guys think about the "Shiv" using thats going around instead of sinister strike?

is there a more classic dedicated Rogue DC available too btw?

[quick knot]

it uses less energy so it allows for more combo points to rotate, damage is similar. shiv your heart out

[onyx geyser]

Has anyone tried it, I saw a video about it earlier today but haven't attempted yet

[north widget]

hi classic folks

serious question

what do you think about retail rogues

i see on tiktok everybody saying retail is 10x easier than classic

[naive meteor]

so ive been using vindicators and latros, but yday i got both fools bane and malchazeen from kara. what weapons do i use now for pve?

[peak ridge]

Hello, why some enemys see me when i lockpicking? Does it scale with hit or spell hit or stealth lvl ?

[torn needle]

Retails mechanics make the entire game more forgiving but you'd fine me hard-pressed to agree that Outlaw PVE in TWW was easier than Combat PVE in Classic.

[prime mesa]

Question if Any1 knows. Do i macro Abacus trinket or Bloodlust Brooch with Adrenaline Rush? Im thinking Abacus until i can get DST.

[half yew]

Generally you want to stack haste and attack speed effects as they're multiplicative with each other; I'd stack Flurry+Abacus+Haste pot together

[broken sparrow]

is there any good weak aura packs that work for tbc classic?

[north plover]

we got a mage classic discord link anywhere?

[foggy plover]

https://discord.gg/RNpXQGnNu

[half yew]

<@&224906552333697025> the bot posted in just this channel

[midnight gust]

!ban @wind bronze bot

[midnight gust]

ty

[hollow aurora]

TBC rogues, has anyone done/got a comprehensive guide of shiv vs SS? I'm trying to work out if there's a definitive answer for which is better.

Top rogue parses rn, first two barely use shiv and third uses shiv off CD, and they seem comparable?

I use shiv at least because I feel like I can fit more 5 combo abilities in

[teal rapids]

anyone got good pve build and pvp 🙂

[teal rapids]

anniversary tbc

[half yew]

The difference between the two is less than natural DPS variance. Do what you want for this phase.

Sinister pulls ahead in full bis and especially next phases

[hollow aurora]

What causes the pull ahead? Slower OH or just better MH damage?

[sonic tendon]

Armor pen with warp spring coil

Your OH doesn't change speed unless you go with a glad weapon or dragon encrusted longblade in SWP

[half yew]

Building off of that, Instant Poison scales with nothing so that's a large portion of Shiv that will never deal more damage

[hollow aurora]

Cheers for the info folks!

[feral forum]

best build to dungeon on tbc with daggers?

[sonic tendon]

daggers suck and you should not use them BUT you can have a link
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent-calc/rogue/00531312-024305200055010002321051-05

[feral forum]

huge ty man

[weak cave]

Whats your guess for max GPH with Stealth runs as Miner/Engineer? ATM i´m doing Steamvault but wondering if there is something better

[atomic plank]

Same here

[tidal palm]

During leveling is it worth using Fist weapons as a non-Human combat rogue?

TBC that is

[little spear]

is it worth using 2 set wastewalker + 2 set nether > 4 set nether?

[verbal maple]

Hey I'm trying to figure out a way to open with Ambush and swap to a Sword as soon as I'm out of stealth is there a macro you guys have or an extra addon maybe? I used Outfitter or it in the pass and it worket smoothly but I cant find a way to make it work now.

[plain tinsel]

You can use two macros
#showtooltip Ambush
/equipslot 16 name of the dagger
/cast ambush

And after your opener add to your abilities you most likely use after opener this macro

#showtooltip sinister strike
/equipslot 16 name of the sword
/cast sinister strike
/startattack

[slim obsidian]

Is there a backstab build in TBC? Or is that only a SoD thing?

[verbal maple]

Yeah the #showtooltip Ambush
/equipslot 16 name of the dagger
/cast ambush didn't really work somehow and I ended up using a stealth macro that equips the dagger, is clunky but well is working.

[plain tinsel]

Otherwise you probably will need an addon for it but dont ask me which one i always use this options with kind of 8 different weapons with different poison and so on

[verbal maple]

yeah I'm also adding /cast Pick Pocket to the macro so it complicates things

but hey I want my gatcha boxes

[outer wagon]

Is there a reason why I don't see many highly rated rogues using BlinkStrike? Is it only good for PvE? Should the play be to get Spiteblade instead, and then Gladiators Slicer once I hit 1700?

[quaint lichen]

Is this channel for TBC or MOP?

[half yew]

Yes

[half yew]

It's expensive and not really that much better than a Vindicator's for PvP. The lack of any stats is a bit painful and the proc will rarely impact a kill

[outer wagon]

So I have it already, for PvE. So it's more about, should I swap it for Spiteblade? I see a lot of streamers using it. Is it for stats? Or is it pureply because it's "more obtainable"

[half yew]

In PvP yeah I'd for sure use Spiteblade over Blink. Same thing, the stats will just more consistently help you instead of the proc

[outer wagon]

Gotcha, ty

[tender wraith]

If i am making a new cahracter what is the best way to lvl to cap ? I already have a max lvl character I just wanna lvl another one > Thanks!

[whole nacelle]

hey im looking for a guild for tbc

[timber parcel]

Just boosted a rogue on TBC what should be my main priority? New gear? Honor? And what's the best way to approach that. I'm not a new player just a dad tired of rerolling at 35 so I figured a boost might help me commit to a toon lol

[whole nacelle]

new gear

[graceful oasis]

hello, what better, elemental leatherworking or tribal for rogue? in tbc classic?

[hollow nebula]

anyone here doing steamvaults chest farms?

[split geyser]

For MoP classic sub spec, trying to figure out if nightstalker or shadow focus is better. Does SF take effect during shadow dance? I've found contradictory info googling. Some posts say it does, some say it does not. Does anyone know for sure? The tooltip for Ambush shows a cost of 60 energy in normal stealth (15 with shadow focus). But in shadow dance, ambush shows a cost of 40 energy regardless of whether or not i have shadow focus talented.

[half yew]

None of the first row apply to ShD in MoP. You're getting conflicting info because future expansions those same named talents do affect ShD (even in retail I think both still exist in some form)

Right now Shadow Focus is the preferred option as it makes your opener a lot cleaner going into the first ShD. That's more or less it; Subterfuge should be very close in value right now too. Nightstalker is almost exclusively just for the movement speed.

[split geyser]

the 50% extra damage from stealth isn't as big a deal as it sounds?

[half yew]

Not really. Generally speaking your "from stealth" actions are weak because they're activating FW. Buffing that single ability doesn't mean much, you'd rather have one of the other two to cast more abilities into the FW

[rich arch]

Can't wait for all of these "Classic" expansions to end and Blizzard actually releasing something new.
It's splitting the community too much. Literally makes me not wanna play at all. 😅
At least we got lots of changes (good or bad) in Retail, so it makes it a bit different than usual.

[quiet apex]

Can anyone help me understand what will be bis for rogues in arena for p2 of TBC in 2's. I'm a human rogue and play with a frost mage and sometimes a disc priest, my questions are really about the new engi goggles and how good they actually are. The confusion comes in because i see alot of the r1 players dont seem to use the p1 goggles right now and im assuming its becasue they're playing with healers (Could be completely wrong)? First time playing tbc so the professions being integral into arena has throw me for a loop. I have engi and bs for pve, but since most of tbc is just raid logging im trying to focus more on PvP with the upcoming season being around the corner. Any input is appreciated <3.

Am contemplating dropping bs or engi for jc since the panther trinket seems like its mandatory but

[buoyant bobcat]

anyone know where to get rested xp for free?

[oblique slate]

Hey guys, rogue junkie here, played og vanilla to cata and now started mop classic after all this time. Im playing subtlety rn but im confused with the glyphs in mop classic, any thoughts?

[fading dagger]

Engi and JC is BIS for PVP

[upbeat wyvern]

Can someone help me with some mop questions plz ? As a sin rogue why do some guides talk about opening up with garrote and others are talking about using mutilate?

[queen root]

didnt play for a long time, might have changed
early understanding was to not garrote since you ruptured early enough for venomous wounds to trigger, so garroting was a loss
later it was found that a specific sequence made garrote pull ahead slightly, making it worth to delay the rupture a little bit

[toxic violet]

Hey Guys, I am looking for a reliable macro that automatically saps (stealthed) targets, without having to target them first. I use #showtooltip Sap
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap

But it always seem i have to target the enemy manually first

Anyone have a working macro for me?

[versed sail]

is there a method to start Maulgar with 5 combopoints to insta Expose for max dps/speed?

[half yew]

Your macro is using targetenemyplayer which only targets literal other players. It sounds like you want something for all mobs, which would just be targetenemy

[half yew]

Before raid starts you fight him yourself with Cloak/Evasion and get 5 combo points

[snow talon]

Anyone stealth farm mana tombs? If so, what do I do about the Singe dot? Seems like cloak doesnt work for it.. and I just die everytime I get it

[upbeat wyvern]

is better for assasination rogue gems to be +160 agi or should I match the socket bonus?

[rose drum]

I'm looking for insight on a TBC classic build. I'm level 42 and focusing on daggers because I like them. I'm questing as ambush/hemo, which I like, but it doesnt seem to be very functional in dungeons. I'm enamored by the 30% crit on backstab talent, and want to build around big backstabs in group. What talents will support this at my level before I have access to mutilate? This is for my talent swap.

[short phoenix]

Malice, Puncturing Wounds, Lethality, Opportunity. But grabbing Opp would delay getting Mutilate by 5 levels, which would be somewhat unreasonable - it'd be easier to just swap to full Assa and then get Opportunity in the 50s once you have Mutilate.

[tardy rune]

Hi, is [Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade] gated behind personal/arena team rating?

[half yew]

Yes

[wet python]

anyone getting the steamvaullt chest runs done?

mine are very few chessts and if they are theyre in different positions than in the videos

[keen harbor]

In TBC P2, am I better off buying the blue rep pvp gear for arena or just use my p1 bis stuff with whatever I get from TK/SSC?

[inland vale]

vendor + drops

rep vendor

[half yew]

You absolutely, 100% need the gloves for their bonus to Deadly Throw. From there you'll generally want the arena 4set for the bonus energy. Everything else can be whatever

[keen harbor]

Thanks. Any top rogue streamers/youtubers also to watch how they play pve?

[fallow veldt]

👀

[gusty granite]

👋

[surreal orbit]

👋

[fallow veldt]

[worn maple]

Welcome, OSWoW fans!
Some minor ground rules:

1. No blind Classic/Vanilla bashing. It's fine if you have criticisms, but please bring something valid to the discussion or ignore the channel entirely.
2. Rules are similar to other Misc channels.
3. Remember that everything in classic is largely a mystery at this point and extremely subject to change. As such, no, we don't know what rogue will be like yet!

Once the demo is live, you’ll be able to play until 10am PST on November 8, giving BlizzCon attendees a chance to check it out again once they get back home.```

[raven snow]

Has there been recent news about the release of classic that prompted the making of this channel? Or have you been planning to make a channel for a while now?

[bright matrix]

Classic
Some ground rules:

1. No blind Classic/Vanilla bashing. It's fine if you have criticisms, but please bring something valid to the discussion or ignore the channel entirely.
2. Rules are similar to other Misc channels.
3. Remember that everything in classic is largely a mystery at this point and extremely subject to change. As such, no, we don't know what rogue will be like yet!

Guides and Resources will be added below when available.

[fleet basalt]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22551243/bring-home-the-blizzcon-wow-classic-demo-with-the-virtual-ticket

[raven snow]

Gotcha

[worn maple]

@autumn tiger

have fun

and you're welcome

😛

[lime arrow]

First

O-oh wait

[worn maple]

Liryn slid in there

2slo

Can't believe I made this channel and rare didn't even get the first post

🤣

[fallow veldt]

confirm... I have no shame

[autumn tiger]

D E M O

boys

[fallow veldt]

I'd delete mine but there are more than a few after

[autumn tiger]

HY{E

!rtb

[fallow veldt]

yeah I won't be doing BfA content for those days

[worn maple]

?rtb

!rtb

interesting

bot needs updatin'

[autumn tiger]

hahaha

@fallow veldt We need to brainstorm a rogue themed event for the demo

😄

[fallow veldt]

poison crafting session

with drinks

[autumn tiger]

you dont get poisons until level 26 😦

or 22

[fallow veldt]

oh you want something sooner

hmmmm

[autumn tiger]

26 is crippling

i think we are gonna max out at level 12 or so

[fallow veldt]

drunken world pvp

if we can't PvP I'm gonna throw a tantrum

[autumn tiger]

hahah

if there's sharding i'm gonna throw a BIG tantrum

[fallow veldt]

legit full out on the floor screaming

followed by passive-aggressive tweeting

[worn maple]

I mean

again

it's clearly stated

two lowbie zones, that's it

[autumn tiger]

not lowbie zones

two iconic zones

[worn maple]

I would be omega surprised if it weren't Dun'morogh dwarf starting point or Elwynn for alliance

and durotar for horde

Players will have a chance to explore and enjoy a limited questing experience through a pair of classic early-level zones—one Horde and one Alliance—and experience firsthand our recreation of the original Azeroth.

So I mean maybe it won't be the starter zone but

again, I'd be surprised

[autumn tiger]

if u got classic negativity go to #off-topic

[worn maple]

lol

there is a difference

between criticism, which is part of discussion, and shitting on it

shitting on it won't be tolerated if ppl are incessant about it

[autumn tiger]

we are hyped rn Don

[fallow veldt]

inb4 it's MC

[autumn tiger]

if ur not hyped get outta here

MC lol

free corehound pets

[worn maple]

I will be hyped when I see/hear that it isn't shit 😄

I don't get hyped in advance over WoW stuff anymore

burnt too many times

[fallow veldt]

I still ride my MC anniversary mount thingy

[autumn tiger]

im trying to think of some low level event we could do

oooh what if we could all get that defias mask, that thing looks awesome

[fallow veldt]

Roleplay

[worn maple]

you two should date

[autumn tiger]

me in the demo

[worn maple]

[fallow veldt]

monkaS

[autumn tiger]

wut

my DMs rn

[fallow veldt]

LOL

[autumn tiger]

i think we gonna do a roleplay themed event

prob no pvp on the demo

[fallow veldt]

tbf a roleplay event would be pretty awesome

but I don't know if people would be in for it

[autumn tiger]

if we could get the red defias mask it would be great

or just infiltrate the goldshire inn using 'stealth'

i'm imagining it's durotar/elywn forrest

[gray solstice]

can't wait to level up my unarmed skill to 400

[autumn tiger]

it caps at 300 @gray solstice

5 per level

[gray solstice]

oh shit, true

[fallow veldt]

Hogger time

[gray solstice]

i'm not classic enough

[autumn tiger]

Hogger time :HYPERS:

Hogger time :HYPERS:

Hogger time :HYPERS:

Hogger time :HYPERS:

[worn maple]

I'd be surprised if you couldn't duel at least

[autumn tiger]

ohhh

low level duels are always fun

[worn maple]

1v1 me

outside org

[fallow veldt]

that was the most fun

outside of Hogger

[jagged halo]

Dead channel

Mods delete when?

[fallow veldt]

not dead

[jagged halo]

🗡
classic

Now it is

[worn maple]

@jagged halo You will behave yourself here

just as I will

lol

[jagged halo]

I’ve backstabbed your precious classic with the one attack it can’t handle

More than 6 people online at once

[worn maple]

Sinister Strike?

oh that too

lel

[jagged halo]

It’s servers have already fused into a single block of silicon

[autumn tiger]

yooo

we can make twinks Lol

can't wait to see some level 9 rogue in full greens

people will no life this demo

[fallow veldt]

*streamers

[autumn tiger]

i seriously hope we get to select a server like classic

[cyan steppe]

Can't wait to go back to combat daggers with level 40 gloves and 11 apm ;)

[autumn tiger]

@cyan steppe dont appreciate toxicity about classic in here bud

#off-topic for that

[cyan steppe]

It wasn't ^^

[autumn tiger]

what level 40 gloves?

[cyan steppe]

+dagger skill from diremaul

[autumn tiger]

that dosnt exist

you mean muggers belt?

[cyan steppe]

oh right, gloves were from mc?

[autumn tiger]

ye core hound gloves

[cyan steppe]

there were a belt and gloves

[autumn tiger]

Aged Core Leather Gloves

Perditions Blade Pog

[cyan steppe]

Barman's

[autumn tiger]

hhaha

the 2.0 speed

[cyan steppe]

Wonder where in the progress they'll place vanilla

Like pre normalizations?

[autumn tiger]

Tier 2 was the best rogue set ever. Prove me wrong

they said its 1.12 so normalization is in effect

[cyan steppe]

Ah

Well, 60 energy backstabs will be a pain again

[fallow veldt]

so beautiful

[cyan steppe]

1.12, did we still have 2s energy ticks then? I can't recall when that changed

[autumn tiger]

ive never gotten full t2 😮

yah its 2s

pretty positive

[cyan steppe]

Had helm + legs for a long time before BWL :p

When they dropped from rag and onyxia

[autumn tiger]

haha yah

[cyan steppe]

And looked like level 20 greens

[autumn tiger]

i had 5/8 T1 3/8 T2 great combo for pvp

120 energy Poggers

[cyan steppe]

Oh, 1.12 was the rogue remake patch

[autumn tiger]

oh you mean before the visual update on T2? Lmao

it looked like dog shit

[cyan steppe]

yeah

[autumn tiger]

lmao

[fair carbon]

Is 15/31/5 combat daggers going to be viable boys?

[autumn tiger]

the rogue one is actually decent

look at the priest one tho

[cyan steppe]

1.12 I'm pretty sure was the patch rogues were really really strong

[autumn tiger]

@fair carbon yah its viable, but swords on humans is better

[fair carbon]

Hmmm

[autumn tiger]

rogue was 1.11 IIRC

[fallow veldt]

I actually loved old Transcendence

[autumn tiger]

the feather?

lol

[fallow veldt]

yeeeep

it was so ugly it was good

[cyan steppe]

Rogues Edit

Due to significant talent changes, Rogues will have all talent points refunded and can be re-spent. Training costs for all talent spell replacements have been significantly reduced.

[autumn tiger]

the warrior one is awful

[fallow veldt]

pally one was better old as well

[autumn tiger]

wuttt no

t2 pally judgement is so iconic

[fair carbon]

Transcendence: Literal Bananaman

[cyan steppe]

Gosh reading about all these fixes for rogues, I remember so much stupid stuff that was going on

[fallow veldt]

yeah, I prefer the old one

[autumn tiger]

Liryn you think u will main rogue for classic?

[fallow veldt]

absolutely

no question

[cyan steppe]

like every ability knocking us out of stealth, vanish removing combo points, gauge breaking on poison procs

[autumn tiger]

i love playing warrior in pve, but rogue is my top pick in pvp

[fallow veldt]

I played hunter a little bit in MC

[autumn tiger]

it will be funny, combo points get reset when you switch targets

[fair carbon]

Ooooh boy Vanish CP removal

[autumn tiger]

so many rogues wont be able to handle that

[fallow veldt]

because we needed hunters

[autumn tiger]

lol

[fair carbon]

Oh my god I forgot CP was target specific

[autumn tiger]

yee

[fallow veldt]

yeah people will be very spoiled by things we take granted now

[fair carbon]

Right!

[autumn tiger]

it will be nice to have to earn epics again

[cyan steppe]

poisons being removed when you enter raid

[autumn tiger]

purple will mean something

[cyan steppe]

and all respawns are outside raid

[fair carbon]

Time to rack up that CP on all targets for the OMEGACLEAVE

[fallow veldt]

poisons being removed by anything

[autumn tiger]

i like applying my poisons

u gotta level up lockpicking in all those weird spots

all over the world

[fallow veldt]

leveling up lockpicking and pickpocketing

[fair carbon]

Farming lockpicking in the Ratchet boat btw

[cyan steppe]

1.12 introduced pickpocket mobs in combat, so it's a lot easier :p

But tbh, I think progressing guilds will pretty much skip mc

[fallow veldt]

macroing them together

some ability and pickpocket

[autumn tiger]

skip MC?

you cant skip mc lol

[fallow veldt]

nooooooooooooo skipping MC

[fair carbon]

Skip the best raid?

[fallow veldt]

I will babyrage

[autumn tiger]

thats where u get thunderfury

[cyan steppe]

Well I said progress guilds

Since AQ will be out

[fair carbon]

The best raid that they threw together in a week?

[autumn tiger]

noo

its not like that Rosvall

[fallow veldt]

spending 12 hours in one day in MC was iconic

[autumn tiger]

all the spells/talents are 1.12, the content and items is patch progressive

[cyan steppe]

oh

[fair carbon]

I mean what?

[fallow veldt]

👀

[autumn tiger]

they literally said they modeling after private servers

[fallow veldt]

naughty

[autumn tiger]

if blizz devs can talk about private servers, we can

[fair carbon]

If blizz devs can just snipe a private server from orbit. We can.

RIP Nostalrius

[cyan steppe]

rare, is it strictly nothing after 1.12 in systems and changes that will be in effect?

[autumn tiger]

its not confirmed Rosvall so we gotta see

[cyan steppe]

ah alright

[autumn tiger]

but they said they looked at the private server model of 1.12 starting with patch progressive content

[cyan steppe]

Because there's... a lot of bugs

[fair carbon]

I wonder if they'll end up pulling an OSRS and have community driven updates

[autumn tiger]

pretty sure they gonna mimic most of the way the pservers do it

[cyan steppe]

Remember all the map bugs?

[autumn tiger]

they wont have bugs obviously

[fair carbon]

Remember not having a map at all? omegalul

Dungeon maps? What's that?

[autumn tiger]

all the bugs will be fixed like on pservers im sure of it

dungeon maps u download atlas loot ez

[cyan steppe]

Well some things are bugs and other fixes I guess. I remember tanks not having enchants because that caused HoT's to fall off due to max buff limits

[fair carbon]

Oh boy buff limits

Debuff limits btw?

[autumn tiger]

haha yah that will be interesting actually

[fair carbon]

lmao

[autumn tiger]

the debuff limits started at 8

[cyan steppe]

Since enchants were just hidden buffs

[autumn tiger]

made warlocks almost useless

Pog

[fair carbon]

Quick! Everyone spam all of your shit on THAT GUY

[cyan steppe]

Those are the new talents though, I think

Yeah they are

Deadliness came later

And there's no improved distract or throwing weapons

[autumn tiger]

they wont have pre 1.12 talents im pretty positive

lol

imp throwing weps

[worn maple]

I'm curious to see

what they change/fix/etc

from live back in the day

if they try to make all specs viable

etc

[fallow veldt]

I think they will make people unhappy either way

"my spec was brokenly good and now it's not" vs. "classic needs to be exactly how it was back then"

[cyan steppe]

1.12.2 patch note
Fixed an issue where players were unable to resurrect at a Spirit Healer. (Spanish Only)

lol

[loud abyss]

whats the best pvp spec

[cyan steppe]

The popular specs back then, I'm very unsure if they were actually so good

Like you put a lot of faith into cold blood, which isn't really that amazing

[worn maple]

@loud abyss not sure if trolling

[quick brook]

Ooooh

How long has this been a thread...

Cause discord was just like "messages since December 31 2014"

[bright matrix]

Less than an hour lol

[quick brook]

Nice job discord haha

[latent tusk]

dead channel

[fallow veldt]

😡

yeah, we really won't know about anything with class balancing (if that will be a thing) for a while now.

[latent tusk]

can't change classes, won't be classic then

[fallow veldt]

point proven

[latent tusk]

I was being sarcastic when I said it

[fallow veldt]

I assume you're always sarcastic

[latent tusk]

good

[tiny jungle]

👀

can't wait to raid molten core again

[fallow veldt]

sarcastic or

[tiny jungle]

no

[fallow veldt]

good

I liked it

[tiny jungle]

yeah

we can go together

should be np on EU with 40man for you

[worn maple]

Staats said MC became a thing because they were challenged to "sneak" it in

and it shows

lol

me re: classic

[fallow veldt]

Can’t be worse than heroic Uldir EU raid

[tiny jungle]

hmm

yeah true, the animations weren't that strong

[novel grove]

I just want to blink through the world every other cast.

Make it happen blizzard.

Although, anyone remember world of roguecraft?

[fallow veldt]

was that a guide or

I used thottbot

[tiny jungle]

roguecraft man

[novel grove]

A showcase video of how strong rogues were because their abilities didn’t scale off gear as much.

[fallow veldt]

yeah I don't remember that

but then again I'm old and forgetful

[novel grove]

Kinda cringe now though. Would stomp people in starter gear.

The problem I have with classic is I want to play many classes, but I don’t have time like I used to.

[cyan steppe]

Before normalization was a thing, you could make a macro to swap weapons -> ambush. And ambush with swords for close to full bar of hp damage

[tiny jungle]

lol

[cyan steppe]

Oh.. I had almost forgot all the mid combat weapon swapping we'll have to do again

lol

[tiny jungle]

will be cool to play classic as an XP player, I had no fucking idea what I'm doing until like ICC

[cyan steppe]

Woops that was not a good site to link

[fallow veldt]

I kind of liked being able to swap weapons and it affect your gameplay

[cyan steppe]

But f.ex for sword builds, swapping to daggers for more poison procs during pooling and timing it with autoswings

Well will be fun to try this out again

Never played on any private servers, so all I have to go on is nostalgia

[fallow veldt]

same

I'm excited

and half the stuff I probably misremember

[tiny jungle]

getting fire resi gear <_ >

spending one hour in blackrock dungeon <_ >

I think I still know how to do the talent tree

[novel grove]

Ohhhh yeah I forgot about mind controlling a mob for fire shield. Then logging out to preserve timer 😂

[tiny jungle]

left all way down
middle to dual wield somethingsomething
right a few points for some stealth stuff

lol

[cyan steppe]

I doubt resistance gear will be needed nowadays. Just potions and better coordination/better healers

[worn maple]

idk it's kinda the opposite tbh

you can be experienced in the modern game

but going back to classic/TBC is a different game

even logging in to a wotlk private server was a very jarring experience for me, recently

so much we take for granted now

[ruby bridge]

so, whos going to play a hunter XD?

[fallow veldt]

if I have time I want to play around with hunter

because I played it a bit for MC prog

but I'm focusing on rogue

[latent tusk]

everyone going to play OP classes

[ruby bridge]

hunter was most broken on vanilla iirc

[gray solstice]

inb4 ammo pouches/quivers

[fallow veldt]

I'd still be OK with quivers

it was fun in world pvp

not as fun as rogue though

[novel grove]

I wanna play rogue mage and warrior. But I know I won’t have enough time for that lol

[untold canopy]

You still need resistance gear for like Visc in AQ40, and Sapphiron in naxx, if you don't on those fights you will die, everything else you pretty much can get around with enough potions

[cyan steppe]

Well for both those there were level appropriate craftables (well AQ was mid tier)

[spiral portal]

Princess Huhu is impossible without hella nature resist

[runic phoenix]

Classic

[plucky nymph]

. . .

[autumn tiger]

@stray whale no trollerino bro

What I’m planning on checking so far: glancing blow damage increase from wep skill, hit gain from wep skill (only for +5 tho), mob spreading, mob leashing, mob aggro ranges and how they vary by npc type (wolves should have higher aggro range than anything else), mob pathing around objects/fences, caster AI especially when it comes to LoS, spell batching, mob pooling/respawns, herb/mining respawns and placement, chest loot tables, rage gain from sit crits, individual shit for every npc and quest available

[plucky nymph]

and vanish disjointing missile spells.

[autumn tiger]

arcane missilies ?

[plucky nymph]

Any spell that has a missile component.

eg. Frostbolt

[worn maple]

[autumn tiger]

dont think it worked that way

we wont even have vanish so cant test it in the demo

[plucky nymph]

Mmm, the level restriction hampers this testing yeah.

But yeah the fucking leashing/aggro radius was a big Vanilla thing.

Infuriating really.

[autumn tiger]

we can test a lot of core game mecanics that will be very important to see how they implemented them

yah you had to actually look where u were going and plan routes.

tough times.

[plucky nymph]

Yeah I am curious if they made the game going back to Vanilla from Modern, or the other way around.

[autumn tiger]

the wrote about in the watercooler about classic

they couldnt use the old client, so its a modern one

[quick garden]

Group finder here we go!!!

[autumn tiger]

@quick garden #off-topic

[plucky nymph]

Yeah, lots of issues trying to convert that nonsense into something that works with the new DB formatting.

and the 1928376981273 QoL changes.

and the social backend

and the blahblahblahblahblah.

[autumn tiger]

apparently they had the old client functional but it had so many issues with modern graphics cards and the DB it was deemed unrealistic to use it

crashing a lot on modern gfx cards

[plucky nymph]

Yeah I can see that happening.

Those DBs are intensely out-of-date and impractical.

[autumn tiger]

i bet you would like this

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/21881587/dev-watercooler-world-of-warcraft-classic

its surprisingly technical

[plucky nymph]

Yeah I saw it when it was posted unless this is newer than 6 months?

or so.

[autumn tiger]

nope

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HEamO49gmzw&time_continue=1

[plucky nymph]

Yeah I remember this watercooler, talked about item/spell formatting.

efficiencies/etc.

[autumn tiger]

Rogue Guide: https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=5412

[plucky nymph]

I liked it in the past where you just did what you wanted and followed the cookie-cutter spec.

[worn maple]

tbh

the demo is just meant to be an ultra-teaser

I wouldn't judge anything off it

A lot will change

between whatever this demo is

and the final, I suspect

[plucky nymph]

Yeah but at the same time, I am sure that there will be a conversation about the demo on the floor.

So there is time/place to talk about their intentions.

[worn maple]

Right I'm just saying basing expectations on game systems etc

is probably unwise

[plucky nymph]

Can't be let down yet Dad.

[worn maple]

I'm just cautioning y'all against too much hype is all

@valid cape The mechanics are easy, but the tuning, gearing, etc wasn't

[autumn tiger]

PvE:
Combat Sword 19-32-0
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#f0efoxZMhqbbVzxfo

Combat Dagger 15-31-5
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#f0xfoLZMIVbbEz0boV

Seal Fate Dagger 30-16-5
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#fhecoxpVZMIVb0zZV

Seal Fate Sword 30-21-0
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#fhefoxdVZGoVbbVz

PvP
21/8/22 daggers/prep/coldblood http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fue0RxzZGcZVMecc0o

#2 - 21/3/27 hemo/prep/coldblood http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhebRLzZhZxMeochRk

#3 - 16/3/32 hemo/prep/premed http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhebRZhZxMeochRqo

#4 - 13/3/35 hemo/prep/premed + switch weapon ambush http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fuIboZhZfMeschRqo

#5 - 11/17/23 toolbox (hemo/prep/imp sprint/imp kick/riposte) http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fMIboZG0xdrZfMxRchoo

#6 - 0/26/25 hemo/prep/mace spec http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fZhxxdr0tZxMgochRo

#7 - 31/8/12 seal fate daggers http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fGeboxzAoGcZVMhM

#8 - 29/0/22 hemo/prep/coldblood/seal fate http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fdebRxzNZZfMxcMhoo

#9 - 2/31/18 combat/subtlety/improved sap http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#f0bZGLxdr0t0coxMgoc

#10 - 11/31/9 combat focused http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#f0eboZGLxdr0t0coxMb

[worn maple]

EXCUSE ME

captain wall-o-text

[autumn tiger]

cookie cutter specs btw

[plucky nymph]

Yeah the gearing and strat. DEV was the issue in Vanilla.

[plucky nymph]

Actually consumables could be brutal as well.

[worn maple]

@valid cape It sounds like you're not the target audience of this

[autumn tiger]

farming consums takes a lot of time for high end raiders, but theres ways around it

[plucky nymph]

No shit...

Like literally... no shit.

[autumn tiger]

thats just wrong

[worn maple]

That's patently untrue

[plucky nymph]

You...

[autumn tiger]

Lol

who is this guy

[worn maple]

In classic it was my job to buff people on rotation

[autumn tiger]

yes

ive played private servers for the past 4 years now

stop spreading misinformation or you wont be welcome here

[plucky nymph]

and I was doing Vanilla before Legion launch > _>"

and many years ago.

[worn maple]

Dianabol you've already got a reputation for causing trouble on RH. It won't be tolerated here

[plucky nymph]

Can't just look at them.

[worn maple]

UNderstood?

[plucky nymph]

There's a lot of modification done to them sometimes.

Why would I buy it...

[autumn tiger]

@valid cape 👋

hey now it comes with a cloak in retail

[plucky nymph]

Yeah 1 of them looks good.

_>

[autumn tiger]

at least you actually get something out of virtual tickets haha

[latent tusk]

$40 to watch BlizzCon without being a exhibition hall with sweaty nerds 👌

[autumn tiger]

haha

[worn maple]

hmm

bot's not working in here

[autumn tiger]

it did

[stray whale]

Ty for that post with all the cookie cutter builds me likey

[autumn tiger]

np

[latent tusk]

@autumn tiger I'll play demo with you 😃

[autumn tiger]

😄

[plucky nymph]

Back to healing O _O

[autumn tiger]

help me think of some rogue event we could do

i cant think of anything except RP related heh

[latent tusk]

I ain't playing rogue, fotm 😠

[stray whale]

👀

[worn maple]

@autumn tiger Fishing derby

[lime arrow]

@autumn tiger wpvp

[plucky nymph]

camp flightmasters

[lime arrow]

Gank all gnomes

[plucky nymph]

Get into Hyjal

[drowsy phoenix]

old stealth time

somehow get into that area near PL that we cant access even on live

[autumn tiger]

i love camping flight masters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWqaBjgAaUI

[raven snow]

LOVE THOSE~!

[fallow veldt]

@autumn tiger you're putting so much into this, I love it!

[onyx grove]

im just gonna pocket heal someone while leveling

[onyx grove]

wtf was blinds cooldown back then?

[plucky nymph]

5min?

Lots of stupidly long CDs in Vanilla.

[hardy cipher]

Best bit about vanilla blind was needing blinding powder

And it was pretty pricey

You needed some herb to make it

[plucky nymph]

Oh and it breaking on every kind of damage there was.

SO GOOD.

[onyx grove]

was blind a poison?

[plucky nymph]

Blind required Blinding Powder which came from a fucking triangle looking herb.

or was that for Vanish... whatever.

[timber scaffold]

Oh no

Is it really time for this

[plucky nymph]

P _ P

[ebon grail]

I think classic should have titanforging.

[void raft]

and LFR

[unkempt furnace]

No. God plz no.

[ebon grail]

why? it will help new players to get into the game and experience all its content

and thanks for titanforging farming even low level dungeons for resist gear will make the runs meaningful as you'll always be able to getan upgrade

[sturdy heron]

hopefully classic server have their own battle.net

[ebon grail]

Wont happen. It will be on current b.net

[hexed berry]

what would be the point of classic server "having their own battle.net"?

[maiden stone]

What would it even entail?

[hexed berry]

do you mean completely restricted to true vanilla social options?

as in... no battle.net

[edgy hound]

i can almost guarantee this 'classic wow' wont just be like vanilla

[lament oak]

can you guarantee it

[edgy hound]

yeah my uncle works for blizzard

[lament oak]

nice

Ok nice meme

I like it

[edgy hound]

but i did say almost gaurentee

[lament oak]

I want some tee now.

[edgy hound]

tee dream

[hexed berry]

It wouldn't make sense for it to be exactly like vanilla. It would actually be pretty surprising if they didn't let you chat with your bnet friends from within the chat. Lots of tough decisions about systems like the integrated bnet chat to consider.
Personally I hope they're laying the groundwork for people to "graduate" characters between expansions. There's a lot of tough decisions to be made for how to enhance/maximize the potential without significantly altering the core experience.

[edgy hound]

They will have to think of replayability aswell do they end up rereleasing the entire game again once naxx is on farm or do they do an old school runescape and take a different direction

[silent pond]

I hope it’s actually like the osrs worked out really cool in a lot of ways (some not) but time will only tell, very hard to speculate rn

[hexed berry]

I think how they handle advancement/patch and expansion progression could really dictate whether it is a passing novelty or a lasting addition to their library.
It would be neat for people that missed vanilla to be able to play a character from vanilla to live.

[cyan steppe]

Wonder if AH will be implemented the same as back then

Because it will be neigh impossible to purchase anything using the old interface when you can only sort by stack price (not per item) to get past the 1 stacks when you need to buy a ton of cloths

[quick bear]

soon tm

[ruby bridge]

iirc there where only pvp titles in classic

correct me if i am wrong

[worn maple]

I wonder if people will go begging/digging for classic versions of addons

or if those old publishes will even work with classic

Also

I wonder if somebody will resurrect thottbot

man I should do that rn
I'd make tens of dollars!

[latent tusk]

thotbot is owned by ZAM 😂

the company that ruined wowhead

[gray solstice]

true question tho: what about pet battles

[north phoenix]

It’s kind of weird to have the game just “end” though. The real money would be in progression style servers. Release vanilla, then BC, then wrath, then start the cycle over and pretend wrath was the end of the game.

[sick fjord]

I guess the question would then be how do they decode when to move over, and what happens to people who still want the old experience

Would be a solution to run servers for each xpac

then have a character-copy feature

so you can move "up" xpacs when you want but doesnt hurt the old ones

[outer grail]

IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!!!!! pickpocket time boiz

[quick bear]

progression servers would be nice but im not sure they will do that

[latent tusk]

you'd end up back at square one

people demanding classic classic servers

[quick bear]

yeah

some people would be unhappy

[fallow veldt]

people will always demand and complain

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[latent tusk]

I demand you stop complaining

[fallow veldt]

I want to complain about your demands

[gray solstice]

blizzard should just put a huge ragnaros model in the middle of stormwind selling epic pvp gear for tokens

and a few custom npcs teleporting you everywhere

[wraith parcel]

Tokens is prob one of the hardest decision they have to make

Because if they allow tokens for classic gold people will be pissed, but if they dont they get back to the problem of gold farmers

and people will just buy it from sketchy sites

[onyx grove]

Anti botting measures will be significantly stronger this time

[ruby bridge]

@worn maple they wont allow old addon api for sure

even if having bots supported by default api all over the place was part of the vanilla experience 😢

[worn maple]

BUT WHAT IF THOTTBOT

but Thotbot instead

and includes Thotbot-chan, your Classic WoW quest assistant

[ruby bridge]

ye we should totally write a addon that replaces every word in quest text with THOT. Def. sounds like a a good idea

[autumn tiger]

yah the old addon API is very easily 'exploitable'

you can basically write full LUA scripts in macros which allows you to automate most of the class's rotations

theres classic versions of addons we all use and an active community developing them

here's an example: https://shagu.org/pfUI/ its under active development

here's an archived copy of about 500 addons from back in the day: https://github.com/ericraio/vanilla-wow-addons

theres a good addon for the auction house called aux most use

my addons folder currently for private servers

[worn maple]

oh I remember

full on

rotation macros

haha

man aside from that

I had most of those addons

at one point or other

it's gonna be hard to have classic without addons

[autumn tiger]

yah for sure some things u need

[worn maple]

really interested to see what they do with it

[autumn tiger]

lazypig is required

theres no auto dismount lol

it adds the auto loot type thing

[worn maple]

oh snap

I wonder

damn

are they gonna return to oldschool tagging mechanics

[autumn tiger]

ofc thats what vanilla is about

fighting for the tag 😄

even world bosses

[lime arrow]

Remember needing to read ur quests cause there was no marker on ur map lol.....that's gonna wreck people

[autumn tiger]

lol yah

but we have a few good addons that do it automatically now

[worn maple]

what was the old quest addon

[worn maple]

questhelper?

I can't remember now

[autumn tiger]

monkeyquest

[worn maple]

that was it

yea

[autumn tiger]

it actually looks better than retail lol

[lime arrow]

I used some add-on that gave an arrow

Forgot what it was called

But that was in TBC/wotlk

[autumn tiger]

TomTom

its a TBC addon, i think someone back ported to vanilla tho

[worn maple]

TomTom. Still around. Drives me crazy tho

[fluid quartz]

was there arena in vanilla?

[honest scarab]

Nope

[hexed berry]

in vanilla there were only 2 races, orcs and humans. and 1 class. things were pretty lame back then.

[onyx grove]

undead was pretty broken against alliance warlocks, not that rogues needed the fear break

[vestal imp]

Classic wow is the only xpac I havent played and I’m really looking forward to the grittiness of it

Xpac lol

I sound like an idiot

[worn maple]

Arena was mid TBC

I think during t5

And they kept needing and buffing classes trying to balance arena

and breaking then in pve

It was incredibly infuriating

[plucky nymph]

yep

[onyx grove]

what kind of balancing that screwed pve?

[worn maple]

Everything, ability tuning, dmg, survivability, cds

you name it

every patch and hotfix (and they hotfixed a lot more frequently in those days for 'small' stuff) after arena came out

anyway kinda irrelevant to this channel, my bad for the tangent

as Classic is 1.1.12!

or 1.2?