classic-discussion

[raven snow]

o only know this one

[hazy heart]

i mean, if you're tuned in enough to be on this server looking for info i'd say you're smart enough to know that the item with stam is gonna be better for pvp lol

maybe try a search on wowhead, filter for items that require lvl 35-40

[indigo heart]

Any Mutilate tanks around?

[hazy heart]

i mean... i've done it a few times

[livid palm]

Not super fun lol

[signal quartz]

Ya sup

[indigo heart]

I only see one person in the search bar with a talent tree posted, is it just mutilate combat down to AR, Riposte, Weapon Expertise, 3 in Daggers?

Rotation just Muti to 4-5cp, SND, still never cast blade dance, riposte on cd

[signal quartz]

P much

You're definitely blade dancing the last 2 bosses in gnomer though they smash lol

The combo point economy is also just more lax now

[indigo heart]

What's rotation look like with blade dance in the mix?

Just deadly OH?

[signal quartz]

I'll normally just open with SnD and maintain BD afterwards between snd and evis

Deadly OH

[indigo heart]

❤️ bro you are a real1

[signal quartz]

Talent points are up to discretion

I think the meta is 3/3 in imp mutilate and 3/5 in OHS and 5/5 daggers

I'm running 5/5 OHS and 5/5 daggers with 1 in imp backstab**

I doubt the differences are notable

[rough quartz]

What is the best talent setup for dps rogues in phase 2?

Daggers specifically

[hazy heart]

cold blood mutilate, with 5 points in opportunity

[sleek notch]

which one is better for a rogue?

[livid palm]

Falcos

BiS atm

[dark kite]

Am i the only one absolutely struggling to find groups as a rogue this phase ?

[tight oracle]

probably not if you pug regularly

next to no cleave, no group buff. pretty rip lol
still fun gameplay though imo

[sleek notch]

where do you find the bis list?

[livid palm]

Leveling was rough. No one wanted rogues.

[livid palm]

It’s on WoWHead

[sleek notch]

they only got for phase 1

[hazy heart]

yes ppl want AoE for dungeon spamming and we dont have any

[livid palm]

P2 is there

[tight oracle]

google it.
Simonize posted something on another website

should be like the top link

i didnt see anything on wowhead either

[livid palm]

https://sixtyupgrades.com/sod/set/asqJjFv87m9dbtJPJUBLQP

Full BiS list

[tight oracle]

nice

[bleak python]

rogue tank is best tank for spellcleave runs

and rogue does just fine in melee cleave once 30 with bflurry

[tight oracle]

every 2 min, meh.
its fun but compared to others we're a st class

[livid palm]

He’s not wrong, if I was in a melee cleave I still topped the parse by a lot

[nimble sleet]

how do you keep aggro in a spellcleave run?

[maiden roost]

I don’t!

[bleak python]

yeah you don't

you do the initial pull and keep them grouped until bombs start going off

and then things should be dead

if not your mages are bad

with bflurry up i was keeping pace with mages on large pulls

you can pop it just about every 3 pulls

maybe every 2 with a slower pug

and single targer dps is still so high it's not a huge dropoff

i ran mostly guild groups but had no problem finding groups the few times i pugged

that said first weekend pugs probably a different beast than second week pugs

[hazy heart]

switch to dps runes in the middle of the run and dont tell anyone. no one will notice

[pale lava]

Can u post YouTube videos on this discord I can't find a section

[crisp turtle]

guys i just cant find it anywhere what is the go to pvp build for stv?

[nimble sleet]

there is no go to, there are multiple specs you can run there

[lime umbra]

hi i checked it out now and as far as i can tell it only show your buff if you have deadly poison on yourself (like the poison weap is giving a buff) it aint showing how many deadly poison stacks i currently have active on the boss

if anyone else have a weakaura or another addon that can help me track that id love to know

[hazy heart]

I’m assuming you don’t have it installed correctly then because I use it and it definitely tracks how many stacks of deadly are on my target

[hallow prairie]

we are so op rn shits crazy

the communities is crying about hunters be verrrrrry quiet

[hazy heart]

Yea I wish we had viable aoe but deadly brew mut is very fun

I’m good with no aoe as long as our priority target dmg is very high

My only real complaint is not having a better solution for losing combo points on target swap

[high valley]

What build yall running for pvp? Here’s one I put together. Feels good so far

[bleak python]

i think DW spec is going to do you more good there than 5% crit and the last two points in camo

that said, i tried deep combat daggers last night and was not feeling it, prob does fine in STV but def prefer a deep sub prep spec for most things rn

[high valley]

oh I haven't tried deep sub for pvp

[bleak python]

classic discord sod pvp channel has a few different linked specs, there's a lot of flexibility in it

you give up a bit of damage for a lot more CC/utility

[high valley]

can u link me the discord?

[bleak python]

https://discord.com/invite/M2hn62w

[high valley]

ty!

[bleak python]

also assuming those are your runes i would use quick draw over deadly brew for pvp

i'm really liking waylay over master of sub too

if you want to just burst people down from full that's a viable build too but you might want to get ruthless/relentless in assassination instead of going that far down into combat then

[covert steppe]

I’m going try 0/8/23 for heavy control at 40, but it might be unnecessary with how explosive mutilate is baseline.

[bleak python]

there are very few situations where you're just 1:1 with AB and STV being the main two pvp sources rn so having ways to CC and fight outnumbered helps big time

[lime umbra]

i used the string that was shared earlier 😄 i see it in the WA but it doesnt load

see the screen shot here 😄
top on is me being in combat getting some deadly poison stacks on the actual target... it doesnt show on the WA only on the elvui frame (and i have a tough time seeing if its my stack first of all or a team mate... and how many stacks also 😄 )
bottom one is when i just do /wa and it activate it all to showcase

[lime umbra]

i fixed it
the bottom one was missing for some reason lol
(the rank 2 version)

[knotty pilot]

any confirmation yet on whether mutilate procs waylay?

[bleak python]

it does

[dire fern]

whats poisons shall i use for muti build

[bleak python]

for pve?

deadly brew like always

[dire fern]

ye

i mean poisons , i have deadly brew

[bleak python]

yes

you don't use poisons with deadly brew

at least for pve

[dire fern]

oh for real?

so i should not use any poisons

i been using instant poison

[bleak python]

when you have deadly brew and no poisons, your weapons are treated as though they have instant poison applied

when that instant proc happens, it also applies deadly

added bonus is deadly brew stacks with WS and stones/oils

in pve with deadly brew you should not be applying any poisons and do shadow oil to your OH, nothing on MH if WS/WF, otherwise shadow oil on both

[dire fern]

what happens if i use instant poison

do i get more procs?

[bleak python]

no

you just waste a slot that could have been an oil/stone or WS/WF

and i believe crafted poisons don't scale with AP while deadly brew procs do but i'm not certain on that part

[dire fern]

ah

[hazy heart]

Oh I see. Yeah I hadn’t even hit 38 to train deadly poison rank 2 until last night. The author probably just overlooked the rank, good catch

[indigo heart]

anyone got a clear p2 pre-bis list?

[hybrid meadow]

hey has anyone tested the new enchanting buff and seeing if it stacks with the dps consumes?
aparently it does not stack with the sp potion for casters

[fringe spindle]

boots or gloves from Feralas yeti quest?

[tall quarry]

gloves, boots you can take from Booty Bay Crokodile Quest Chain.

[odd copper]

has blizz changed how poison upgrades work for SoD? my addon showing me what abilities i have coming up show loads of poison upgraeds but they are never there when i go to my trainer?

do i have to do shit with ravenholt? i'm so confused

wait really stupid question

i prolly need to level my poisons for them to show up to be able to train them right?

haven't levelled it since start of phase 2 i'm still at 125

[fervent garnet]

Yes level poison skill up to max

[odd copper]

yeyeyeye its just the addon that confused me forgot they would unlock with the skill

[odd copper]

what kinda pvp talents are ppl running atm?

i was running just combat during phase 1 for imp backstab but idk if mutilate build needs some talents from assassination which are better for pvp

[dusk ingot]

Sorry if it’s been asked, I can’t find conclusive information online. Overall is striking or dismantle going to perform better? I’d heard people mentioning dismantle isn’t proccing off of rune abilities and dismantle is only useful on the 3rd-6th boss of the raid anyways

[opaque vortex]

you can just run it this way

then it doesn't give a shit which rank of deadly you have trained and it will always track

much easier for this to go by name than spellid

[neon ocean]

For all you guys how want that Poisoned Knife Rune 👇 Enjoy!
9 Runes 9 Classes 1 Box | Season of Discovery Guide - https://youtu.be/SVQDqiELIe0

[opaque vortex]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/guide/season-of-discovery/classes/rogue/poisoned-knife-rune

[true berry]

+9 Agi or +18 AP for wrists?

[flat jackal]

18AP

[raven snow]

did hunters get nerfed today?

[severe helm]

So what ability are we using Cold Blood on?

I haven't played this spec really ever, I've always been Combat.

[dusk ingot]

Envenom

Has anyone else noticed that dismantle seems like shit? Used it all raid last night and it barely did any damage even on a 7 minute thermaplugg fight

[severe helm]

Didn't know Envenom got the effects of it, tooltip doesn't mention it

[dusk ingot]

Nope. I didn’t think it did either at first since envenom doesn’t say it is affected by any skills or talents, but it definitely does

[severe helm]

Very odd, but if it's working then yeah, makes sense

[livid palm]

Dismantle is shit lol

[dusk ingot]

Yeah that’s what I thought too. But some classes seem to get a lot of value out of it… people think it’s bugged with rune abilities. Either way with how it performs rn for rogue is awful

[livid palm]

Ya it only has value on 2-3 bosses. I’d rather have the +3 that works on the whole game lol

[dusk ingot]

In an ideal world I’d like to have two sets of weapons one for striking and one for dismantle

[devout patio]

Anyone doing PvP grinding this phase? Was wondering what talent builds are looking good

[livid palm]

It’s a combat/sub split

[rapid urchin]

what is WS/WF? Very interesting post. I used to apply instant poisons up to now. this will save me a lot of money

[bleak python]

wild strikes/windfury

does not stack with other things applied to weapons but will stack with deadly brew

[rapid urchin]

OK so main hand shadow oil, OF WD/WF or shadow oil again

and instant poison III with deadly brew is useless

[livid palm]

No you don’t put anything on mainhand if you have WS/WF

[rapid urchin]

is the instant poison applied by deadly brew same damage as Instant poison III?

If that is the case there is literally zero reason to eve do a single IP III

[bleak python]

it's even more if I understand it correctly

I think the deadly brew poisons scale with AP and normal ones do not

but not certain there, definitely no reason to ever use instant poison with deadly brew

you can use other poisons if you want the effect like crippling in pvp

[livid palm]

Deadly brew uses whatever rank of IP/DP you have learned

So you need to level up poison skill

[opaque vortex]

deadly brew uses the highest rank of IP/DP you have trained but yes it scales them additionally on AP

[fossil gate]

I use CB on a 5 point Master of Subtlety empowered Envenom.

[woven slate]

Hey do i need to attack from behind with mutilate for the opportunity talent to proc?

[livid palm]

Nope

[nocturne ivy]

question

so rogue top dps in breakdown is melee right

Is it a big difference to go combat tree compared to sin tree?

Wouldn't adrenaline rush with blade flurry increase melee?

or do the poisons do that much damage

for sod

[livid palm]

poisons out dps combat tree

combat is good for dungeons though

and soloing

[nocturne ivy]

ah okay

so if my group is having trouble with the multiple boss fight would it be worth losing single target damage to go combat?

[analog vine]

Short question: does blade flurry have any effect on shuriken toss?

[main blade]

nope, Shuriken toss has zero interactions with most available talents

[muted olive]

Struggling to find tanking related discussion, is there any well established guide to read?

[analog vine]

I am also looking for some...all the guides i find tell you talents, runes, consumables...but none tells you how you can actually tank best (against single mobs, 3-4mobs, larger groups)

[hybrid sleet]

as a tank, essentially your gimmick is being a decent dps/mit tank for bosses

use dynamite for getting intial threat on aoe packs, larger groups you're a glorified taunt and CC bot for the casters

3-4 mobs is kinda the same

but easier to juggle than a bigger group

[ionic skiff]

would hypnotic blade affect poisons?

[livid palm]

no

poisons are based off AP

[ionic skiff]

bummer; only daggers I have managed to get

swapped to this to try them; absolutely annihilating ppl in AB/WSG

(im only 34)

[stark loom]

What is the rogue yellow hit cap for mobs +2 levels from you? is it 6 % ? Asking in regards to SoD

[ionic skiff]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/guide/classes/rogue/dps-stat-priority-attributes-pve#:~:text=Many rogues will use considerably,your damage through auto attacks.

9%

[stark loom]

that is for skull level mobs +3 levels from you. Everything in Gnomer is only +2 levels.

[ionic skiff]

Oh it's 6% for +2

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/198brv8/how_relevantimportant_is_the_1_hit_chance_on_the/

There's a bunch of napkin math in there that I am too Rogue-main to understand

[kindred wagon]

Its special "all hit" too

[ionic skiff]

I’m actually super enjoying 2x hypnotic blades - in vanilla I would be a monster but they are 27dps

[onyx cave]

Hey guys I just got a lvl 39 dagger of power (16 ap) is it worth using? I have currently blood moon dagger (main hand and off hand) and sentinels dagger.

[opaque vortex]

yes that is bis offhand if you're talking about sacrificial kris of power

you can also probably sell it for like 300g depending on your realm

[onyx cave]

I saw some for 250-800g… would it be worth getting the belt/helm then? Or keep the dagger? Would I then use the bloodmoon main hand?

[opaque vortex]

if you join the classic rogue discord https://discord.gg/Aks573M you can see the bis lists and ask best plans for what to do

but yeah it'd be bloodmoon mainhand, that dagger offhand

the classic rogue disc is significantly more active than this one is for classic content

[onyx cave]

Thank you

[crisp wagon]

How was it now, if you complete Quests in P1 at lvl 25, did you get the xp later now in P2?

[ionic skiff]

What the, where has this been lol

[spice drum]

It's been around for ages

It's not a coincidence that one of the most popular classes in the game* has a dead sod discussion section

This channel should be purged from your memory

[ionic skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/its-time-to-purge-natalie-dormer-magda-penny-dreadful-city-of-angels-clear-gif-17326501

[muted violet]

What are the best sites for builds, gear..... Other then wowhead? I'm playing SoD and looking to improve my play!

[restive horizon]

do I need to level Poisons for deadly brew to apply the highest available one ?

[restive horizon]

@muted violet

[opaque vortex]

yes

it applies the highest level poison trained

[restive horizon]

DAMN

[spark coral]

For PvP, which daggers should I be using, between the Toxic Revenger, the STV Main hand, and the WSG dagger?

In Season of Discovery, forgot to specify

[livid palm]

TR and STV dagger

[dusk ingot]

Is there a reason why sac kris of power is better than blood harvest blade offhand? Is it just for the attack speed? I thought slower weapons were better for mutilate anyways? Or do we gain more damage overall from the ap and couple extra poison applications from faster attacks?

[livid palm]

In pve poisons are top dog. So you want to keep the stacking. In pvp slower the better.

[junior kindle]

does anyone use the smart misdirect wa + macro? mine doesnt work at all

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click SmartMisdirect

[slate meteor]

So with this new patch on the 27th for sod does that mean I'm using the parry skill since it now gives 3cp and is only 15 energy? As a tank rogue I mean. And if that's the case do I swap to wanting the stv and raid fist weps?

[dusk ingot]

I still dont think Main Gauche is going to be worth it. they needed to lower the CD a lot to make it worth using

[raven snow]

anyone know if wound poison works on warlock drain life?

[oak vector]

Anyone have the SoD class discord?

[steel plover]

Does tank rogue use any poisons?

[steel plover]

Also, do poison ranks matter for deadly brew?

[slate meteor]

Well the thing is at 3 on a 20 sec cd it covers blade dance. So u only need to use that to keep the buff up. Which will free up the rest of ur cp for s&d plus a few evic

I just don't think that makes up for the multi dmg. I really want it to tho xD

[shrewd widget]

Is this where people discuss sod stuff? If yes, does anyone know if the new changes to tank rogue help with dungeons?

[slate meteor]

I think it is. From what I can tell shuriken will make a bit more threat but not enough to keep aggro on groups of 5 if people just throw out all their aoe

[shrewd widget]

Needs to be tested especially the new redirect

Rogue really needs help with aoe tanking, it's not just about pros and cons at this point

[slate meteor]

they said in some msg that this isnt retail. if dps just want to aoe they have to accept they will have mobs chasing them

i hope we get some extra threat or somthing to tank up to 5 better

but we will never be a pull 20 mobs and tank it kinda tank

thats just for the warlocks

[spice drum]

It doesn't even offer more combo points

If you spend the extra mutilate combo points on Blade Dance you end up with more than Main Gauche

10% parry will get stronger in later phases, right now it's just not enticing enough

[slate meteor]

it does in the patch in a few days. its 3 CP 15 energy

[spice drum]

On a 20 second cooldown

[slate meteor]

ye

[spice drum]

so it's 3CP per 20 seconds

Mutilate is 5CP per 20 seconds

They'll have to give Main Gauche way more if they want us to use it. It's terrible

[slate meteor]

ngl. i am just asking this because i am a rogue who dosnt like daggers xD

so im trying to work out if the 3CP into dance means i can spend more on S&D/evic & get the fist weps and wont loose alot of dmg due to the wep dmg going up as well

[spice drum]

Even if you're not running mutilate saber slash is better

They made Main Gauche too weak and the other options too strong

[slate meteor]

ye it is. which i dont like either. they put this in as a tank one but the 10% up 50% of the time isnt worth the dmg loss

if they just made it like some other skills "this skill generates extra threat" i think it would be fine with the new changes

coz ye u will do less dmg. but thats only an issue because of the threat gen

[spice drum]

They should really make the buff full uptime. Make it so parrying refreshes the buff duration or something

[spice drum]

Even regardless of threat gen damage is still importsnt

[slate meteor]

yes but if ur tanking dmg isnt the main thing. sure it is good to do what you can. but you shouldnt expect to be on par with a rogue using DPS runes

[slate meteor]

if they did somthing like that it would need a full rework of dance and mainhand

[spice drum]

Why?

[slate meteor]

i dont see the point in them making it so we would have to keep 2 different 10% parry buffs up

[spice drum]

Well I hate to break it to you but we already do lmfao

[slate meteor]

i mean ye xD but one is a 50% uptime right. so i can forgive that. if it was 2 100% buffs that do the exact same thing then i just dont understand

if that was the case why not just make dance 20% and mainhand resets that duration.

[rare thicket]

Do you think they will enable faction / race change in classic era? I’d love to swap my Night elf rogue to undead, and I’d pay outrageous amounts of money to do it lol, potential blizzard gold mine?

[white igloo]

any one have a good WA for sod rogue?

[warm jacinth]

which one is better?

[trail flicker]

hey quick q guys... how can i tell if 18 atk pwer is better than 9a gility? level 40 in SOD.

is there a good benchmark or rule of thumb to use?

[keen berry]

1 Attack Power is roughly equivalent to 1/2 Agility.

[warm jacinth]

ty so it seems as though the agility bracers beat it out

[trail flicker]

got it. thanks! but dont u also miss out on crit if u forgo agil for atk pwr? or that trade-off is calculated into that 50% value estimate @keen berry

[trail flicker]

def

[warm jacinth]

any1 have any luck farming the distress beacon to get the failed flying experiment shoulders

[keen berry]

I've farmed it and got it. I needed a friend to help kill the 3 level 45 yetis that spawned.

[alpine sleet]

grimtotems dropped it pretty quickly for me and my guildmates

[warm jacinth]

I got it from the nagas

Rogue is feeling good this patch, it seems strange that the green sacrificial Kris BOEs are considered best in slot offhand ?

[livid palm]

It’s because the speed keeps poisons up which in raids is your biggest dps

[warm jacinth]

Yeah the 1.4 is nuts

Do you run instant poison 3 on offhand?

For gnomer I have been doing that but feel like there might be a better offhand buff alternative

[livid palm]

No you don’t need any poisons with deadly brew rune

[warm jacinth]

So just weapon sharpen?

[livid palm]

Yes

[glossy vault]

does the attack speed buff from the crafted epic gloves stack with the crafted epic hat?

[livid palm]

No

[warm jacinth]

any1 know if the high-yield radiation bomb is better to use than the ez-thro radiation bomb

[wispy rock]

anyone know of a macro that stops auto attacking? /stopattack doesnt work /cleartarget works for cheap shot but not expose armor

[wary glacier]

hey whats the best posion for mutilate rogue SoD

[keen berry]

If you're running the Deadly Brew rune, you don't need to use poisons. You would use sharpening stones.

[dusk ingot]

pretty sure high yield is always better. But only Engineers can use high yield whereas anyone can use ez-thro.

[storm apex]

are we sure thats a no? because it looks like they do......

[livid palm]

They do not

[toxic cipher]

I'm sure this has been talked about a million times before, but I want to make sure I'm looking at this correctly.

Is it better to run Mut + Deadly Bew (just for Instant Poison procs) w/ Sharpening Stones or Mut + Deadly Brew + Envenom w/ 2x Crippling to apply Deadly Poison?

[livid palm]

What does crippling poisons have to do with that build? lol

[toxic cipher]

crippling to apply stacks of Deadly Poison via Deadly Brew

[livid palm]

Why would you need crippling poison for that? Read the tool tip homie

[toxic cipher]

I know that doesn't work on bosses

Ohhhhh ok I misread it - so the Instant Poison charges proc Deadly Poison as well?

[livid palm]

Yes

So you don’t need to run any poisons when using deadly brew

Just use stones and windfury

[toxic cipher]

Wait, if you don't have a poison will it still apply DP?

[livid palm]

You don’t put poisons on your weapons if using the deadly brew rune

The rune applies them for you

[toxic cipher]

So does Brew's instant poison proc the deadly poison stacks?

[livid palm]

Yes

Read the tool tip lol

[toxic cipher]

Ahh ok there it is.

Well the tooltip says "When you inflict any other poison, you also inflict Deadly" so I just assumed it meant that if you didn't proc anything, the Instant Poison from the Brew would apply instead and not give you a DP stack.

I didn't realize the Instant Poison from DB would also proc the DP stack. Nifty.

Thanks bud, appreciate the clarity.

Last question - is the 'chance to trigger' IP from DB 20%?

[livid palm]

Not sure what the proc rate is

[toxic cipher]

is there a sim calc somewhere?

[livid palm]

Simonize has done a lot of sims

He’s the guru

[opaque vortex]

i think how deadly brew actually works must be the single most asked rogue question in all of season of discovery

by a lot

no poison = instant poison = deadly poison
also, all poisons = deadly poison
is what it actually does

and it uses the rank of your highest trained, so keep those poisons leveled

[minor tundra]

pito

Ñn`t

[spice drum]

yes

[lime umbra]

so on a scale from 1 - 10 how viable is the rogue as a tank ? i havent tried it personally so its pure speculation for me but i feel like our kit is still below average compared to some of the other tanks

[broken bison]

I parsed avg ~80 in gnomer recently as mutilate tank (main gauche blows) and I gotta rely on the OT to pick up loose mobs. I love not taking damage for long periods of time against single target bosses, and I still do healthy dps as a tank (you'll have threat issues if you don't use mutilate + go fully down combat tree. Ghostly strike + reduced damage + combo points on dodges look good in subtlety, but aren't worth trading for blade flurry +adrenaline rush

This is also take as you will since tanking parses are a joke

All in all I'd say it's a 7, a bit stressful but worth it for the fun of trying something new, and still being somewhat of a meta slave

It would be a 10 if they let shuriken toss apply some kind of dot/poison, and that if you're in tanking mode, your combat points transfer between targets / build up on "yourself"

[broken bison]

Not to mention the crit chance for backstabbing, that also affects mutilate

[hidden plaza]

I found that since I change target so often that Saber slash with a slow main hand works better for holding aggro. For hit and run groups of trash. Coupled with dropping bombs from engineering and the bleed effects that give a residual threat.

[spice drum]

it's very strong. tough and high damage

it is very strong in raid, at least. having basically no AoE hurts us as a dungeon tank pretty hard

[lime umbra]

Any chance you Can explain
I have a tough time seeing Them compete with the shaman or warlock (i Havent played with a lock this phase so that purely theoretical for me)

I play in a team that mainly tries to min max and get pure 99 logs and such
And we have been lacking a tank so thats Why Im asking if me subbing in from time to time is even worth it

[spice drum]

Not much to explain, we just do pretty good damage and have lots of parry/dodge

Join the dedicated classic rogue discord for good info. This channel is bad

[lime umbra]

If its the one called rogue classic im already there 😄 ill check it out.. thanks

[hidden plaza]

Rogues don't take a lot of damage because of parry and dodge. So they're easy to heal. They're one flaw on mitigation is taking extra damage while stunned . Because of low armor, but a good healer can heal through it no problem cause you still have damage reduction from runes.

Another big flaw is aoe, but with a shaman giving alpha, use shuriken to pull LoS around a corner to clump up the mobs and drop some dynamite on the pack you should be good to hold them.

[south plover]

Hey all new rogue first time ever playing as one. im in sod atm lookin at the talent, is going all in on mutilate worth?

taking opputrinty/imp back stab/lethality?

or is it better to not spread out the talent

[livid palm]

Yes mutilate is the skill to go

Talents depend what you are doing. Raids, dungeons/farming or PvP

[south plover]

erm im just lvling atm so it not to big a deal

[livid palm]

Just go all combat tree until 40

Get mutilate rune

[south plover]

combat dosent look fun 😛

[broken bison]

Until you need to hit more than one mob, adrenaline rush + blade flurry feels so good

With dragonbreath chili + SnD , good aoe dps

[vale frost]

in wotlk classic, can you vanish missiles/spells with vanish like you used to be able to?

like to vanish a deathcoil or polymorph etc.

[uncut pagoda]

Anyone know in SoD which crafting epic to prioritize, I cannot make both for undisclosed reason, so I have to ask which of the epic crafting items is better, the Glowing Gneuro-Linked Cowl or the Hyperconductive Goldwrap.

[raven sandal]

cowl

[knotty pilot]

the most confusing part of it is this bit - "If your weapon does not have a poison applied, it has a chance to trigger Instant Poison as if Instant Poison were applied."

i think instead it should say "if your weapon does not havea poison applied, it behaves as if Instant Poison were applied"

"has a chance to" makes it sound as if the proc rate would be lower than actually applying instant poison

[opaque vortex]

helmet>belt

the intent behind deadly brew is pretty obvious imo

"here's a rune so you don't need to apply poisons to benefit from instant/deadly"

[knotty pilot]

not obvious to players who haven't played rogue before

[opaque vortex]

I never played rogue or even classic before SoD

[tender karma]

Hey anyone here know if its possible to go from r0 to r5 in one week?

[livid palm]

You’d need like 100k honor

[tender karma]

i have 80 k honor but the addon and ppl are saying u are capped at r4 if u were r0

[livid palm]

Think there’s a limit so probably true

[gusty stream]

Anyone done SoD here? Im trying to farm the treasure map for quick draw on my dwarf rogue in Dun murogh, seems like it's never gonna drop

[karmic pulsar]

Need to pick pocket it

[wispy rock]

Don't know exactly how ranking works cuz there is weird math behind it but as far as I know the system doesn't allow to skip more than 4 ranks regardless of how much honor you get

Aka from 0 max u can get is 4 later on if you are R5 max you can get is 9 etc

[zealous whale]

Yeah I had to go through rank 4 one week , then grind to 5 the other week

[lost walrus]

anyone here who wants to do the feralas escort SOD ?

[vast sonnet]

Question. what channel would be the proper one to post my logs to get some outside opinions on what I could do better? (SoD logs)

[opaque vortex]

probably this one but asking in classic rogue disc is much more likely to get more traction

[rapid urchin]

i cant parse right with mutilate, really not sure why

[keen swallow]

with the 3 piece insulated set how much does the +3 to daggers actually give im torn between using "Nimble Triprunner Dungarees" from gnomer quest or using my "Insulated Legguards" to make my 3 piece
[11:18 PM]
the Nimble triprunners have 13 more agility

[wanton swift]

what is the discord for classic rogue? i looked up "classic rogue" nothing showed

[opaque vortex]

It's pinned in this channel and I've linked it multiple times recently in here

[sharp moat]

is 200 the max for poison right now in sod?

[wintry wigeon]

what poisons do i use on my weapons with deadly brew?

does it matter?

[livid palm]

None

Read the tooltip

[south plover]

is assassiantion viable in pvp? or is best to go 0/8/23

[plush karma]

Does anyone know if Feint's rank has any effect on Tease? I did some googling and rifled this channel, but it seems to me that it shouldn't

[rare thicket]

anyone tell me how to beat a hunter in era

imo its immpossible unless you gank then fighting a mob lol

[eager lake]

separate spells according to the data.

[bitter fiber]

Is this the only chat SoD related ?

[bleak python]

yes, rogue classic discord https://discord.com/invite/M2hn62w and simonize discord have more SoD content

[errant merlin]

Do we have any Cataclysm related server?

[plucky nymph]

The above will likely have said discussions

@errant merlin

[buoyant sand]

how exactly do i teach my pet higher ranks of claw? i tamed another pet with claw lvl 2 but neither can i teach it to my cat via pet trainer nor with beast training? my cat currently has claw lvl 1 and is lvl 18

[errant merlin]

@plucky nymph lol thx

[hushed shadow]

Can you put boa sons of hodir on heirloom gear

(wrath classic question)

The enchants

Nmd I figured it out it works but they are inactive until you hit level 80

[burnt stone]

Hello, sorry, do we have a sod channel?

[burnt stone]

Nvm, thanks

[fluid palm]

I have a lvl 80 rogue but I don’t know much about builds and gear for pvp or pve someone that have patience and like to explain?

[floral tiger]

hii

[fluid palm]

any macro suggestion for rogue?

[lime umbra]

the honor among thieves rune .. guide say it require the manor, ravenholdt quest. i have done that but i cant get a qust from fahrad still xD anyone know whats up ?

[lime umbra]

ok you need to talk with rogue trainer to get some letter and do that quest then youre good 😄

[frank crest]

can anyone help me, I'm not getting the letter to start my Honor Among Thieves Rune, in SoD phase 3, I'm 47 with the ravenholdt quest complete. no mail

[livid palm]

Did you go to a major city and check your mailbox?

[frank crest]

Yea, nothing, tried undercity and org

Im just trying to do some other runes maybe they are a prerequisite that isnt listed

[lime umbra]

didnt work for me either i went to the trainer in a major city and talked to him he could give me a letter as one of the options ) right clicking started a quest that we have to do before we can get that one

[frank crest]

Ok I figured you hve to do the ravenholdt quest and the three rune “C” quests by mail. I think its envenon, shadowstep, and deadly brew

Its part of the story. Got the rune now

[tulip shard]

best rogue build for SOD pvp at 50?****

[vagrant zephyr]

Let me know what you find!

[cedar pebble]

Did anyone test if carnage also strengthens bleed dmg? So if i use it does my Rupture also deal 20% more dmg?

[rare thunder]

hey guys anybody tried the new darkmoon sets in sod as dps?

[rapid urchin]

anyone has spec for sod phase 3?

[calm oxide]

Hello, i was going through gear and looked this up https://www.zockify.com/wowclassic/rogue/dps/, on the list of "pre sunken" gear. But then i discovered Emerald Incursion gear, and thought, isn't most of the Emerald Incursion gear, better than what is listed here?

[warm acorn]

Honor Among Thieves broken?

[sturdy vine]

This is what I am here for as well haha

[sturdy vine]

Incursions gear is legit PvP speccd gear

It's awesome to start

[calm oxide]

Only pvp? Thought the crit% and hit% would be strong on raid

[onyx ingot]

Anyone can confirm this item is in the game? ~30-40 runs of Ring of Law of BRD and never seen it drop nor did i see anyone with it. Asked many rogues and neihter of them seen it. So i come to a conclusion, that it's not in the game. yet.

[frank crest]

Have they fixed this yet?

[onyx ingot]

Some people say that they did, but i can try it out, while i'm farming Ring of Law

[onyx ingot]

It works perfectly

[onyx ingot]

And it's really good for tanking, haven't tried it for dps, combat potency probably better anyway

[viral thicket]

combat potency is kinda better for dps, u get too many cp with honor and dont have energy to spend them

[ivory swift]

is there a gppd sim to help compare items?

[onyx ingot]

Enchanting or Engineering? 50 AP Sigil vs Sappers and + 1 Agi Bracers (than WSG exalted one). Talking about PvE, not PvP.

[ancient tulip]

do u want hit cap or do you want ap over hit

[onyx ingot]

6% is the hit cap, right? You can get it without the engi belt

[onyx ingot]

you dont wanna dro 38 ap brd belt for engi belt

[hardy kindle]

Do we know if Combat potency procs of fiery weapon/poisons/shadow oil ?

[onyx ingot]

I'm not quiet sure, but in yesterday's raid i rarely had any problem with energy. There's a window, when you have to wait for the 2 second energy regen. The whole rottation relies on Seal Fate procs with 2 point on it, because you would like to benifit from 5 combo point of Envenom, but most importantly Relentless Strikes to restore 25 energy to negate the Envenom energy cost, so you can conserve more energy for next Mutilate.

In general the rogue is a blast to play. With the right min-maxing it'll top off melee hunters in the end. Rogue is blast to play with these new runes. I'm quiet satasified!

Carnage is gonna be better i think, but continous Envenom buff is feels amazing, cuz it can proc Instant Poison IV with Cut to the Chase and you can have a way easier time to avoid/watch mechanics or interupt during boss fights.

My question would be: +7 Agi encha is better, than Minor Speed? Cause you need to move a lot.

[tulip yoke]

Can anyone recommend me what would be a good race for a dsp rogue in wowclassic?

[flint bison]

also tryna find best race for horde

assuming troll

[onyx ingot]

It's troll with combat potency

It1s orc with honor among thieves

For Alliance: Dagger Rogue and Rogue in general in phase 4, cause you can choose weapon specialization
Night Elf: Highest agility + Movement Speed in Stealth + 1% Dodge + Higher stealth level (equal to 1,5 point of Master of Deception), but Worst Active Racial
Gnome: 2nd Highest agility Lowest Stenght, but best PvP: BG Active Racial
Dwarf: Lowest Agility Highest Strenght, but best PvP: Open World Active Racial (Can remove Blind, cause it's a poison)
Human: Okay Active Racial for PvP

I hope we can do some race changing at some point

[flint bison]

does comabt potency vs honour amoung these change depending on phase?

[onyx ingot]

If i compare to human: 20 Str 20 Agi
1st: Night Elft +5 Agi = 5 Ap (1.25 Dmg) + ~0,28% Crit
2nd: Human
3rd: Gnome: -5 Str + 3 Agi = -2 Ap (0.5 Dmg) + ~0,13% Crit
4th: Dwarf: +2 Str -4 Agi = -2 Ap (0.5 Dmg) - ~0,22% Crit

DPS difference: Insanely low like ~0,01 Dps difference or something

[onyx ingot]

Yes, cuz we gonna have Seal Fate 5/5 in phase 4
The bis talent is 2/5 or 1/5 in phase 3
Right now people say Honor Among Thieves is the better rune, but when we get 5/5 Seal Fate i think Combat Potency will be better ultimately.

[rough blaze]

Hello, where can I find more information about (SOD)

[keen island]

hello fellows rogues... im currently playing sod p3 , im struggling to find a bis list for gear JUST FOR PVP, im trying different combination but cant decide what's better in pvp.

what do you guys wear in pvp ? have you got some suggestion ?

most of the bis lists and guides are for pve situation... i dont think is always viable in pvp

[onyx ingot]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/gear-planner/rogue/dwarf/BDwO8yA1ABIvJQJTAAMAEvAdMTE2eXQ1Nmh3NjZoejc2aG44Nmh0OTZ5eWE2aHaBA16yADwqAgNBYIMDXrQGz_OFA14EAE45BgNdhocDXgYAPCqIA14FADZCiQNfYgA2eYoDXrkATiwLAEw8DANgCQ0DYHsOA09qjwNYzwA2OpADYRQAXPiRA12pAFz4kgNdmwAwrA

This is just an example!
Explanation:
Get the Knight-Lt set for +15 Stam
Get the new Sunken Temple tier set for +7 Damage (28 Ap)

Notes:
Knight-Lt Gloves is not in the gear planner, so take that!
Knight-Lt set can be replaced with Emerald Warden set
Blood Guard set can be replaced with Eihter Emerald Warden or Knight-Lt set for more Stam
I did include the new stealth level increase Cloak, so you can remove 1 point from Master of Deception for 1 point of Camo

Aim for:
Get +3% Hit
Get as much Stam as you can

Talents:
There are multiple talent builds:
All of them going to contain: Dirty Deeds to lower the cost of Cheap Shot
1st Variant:
Deep Combat: It gives you a lot of utility in form of Riposte; Improved Sprint and Improved Kick
2nd Variant:
Deep Assassination: It gives you a bit more burst: Malice; Ruthlessness; Relentless Strikes
3rd Variant:
You can go deep Assassination for Improved Kidney Shot for more burst, if you are in a group content

Notes:
For Blood Moon Event you want Imrpoved Ambush by sacrificing Initative
You can replace Riposte and Deflection with Elusiveness and Endurance

Runes:
Mutilate for every build
In Between the Eyes for Ranged Kidney Shot, if the target is far and Shadow Step is on cd
Quick Draw, same reason
Shadowstep, self explanatory
Unfair Advantage, other runes arent good for PvP
Rolling with the Punches higher survivability, can be replaced with Waylay for extra burst from a Instant Poison IV by replacing Crippling Poison
Honor Among Thieves for group content; Combat Potency for solo content

[keen island]

YOU HERO ty!

[onyx ingot]

Darkmoon Faire Card can be replaced with Gnomeregan Trinket or BFD Trinket
New Epic Engi Wrist can be repalced with WSG Silverwing Sentinel Exalted Bracers
Cheap options for dagger: Gurubashi Backstabber; Silverwing Sentinel Revered Dagger
ST Belt can be replaced with AB Reputation Honored Belt
Ranged can be replaced with Gnomeregan Gun or Crossbow

What you need to aim for is:
3% Hit
2 Sets

Stat Priority:
Hit cap
Agi
Ap=Str
Crit
Stam

Utility+Surivability
Riposte: Good against any melee class
Improve Sprint: Good against any slow (Frost Mages nightmare)
Improve Kick: Surprise Casters and Humilate Healers

Burst
Malice: More Crit
Ruthlessness: Another Combo Point, great for soloing
Murder: Bit more damage
Relentless Strikes: Mitigate energy cost of finishing moves, so you can spam more Mutilate

Group Content Only:
Improved Kidney Shot: More burst on focus target

Blood Moon (STV Event) Ambush Build

If you are Night Elf you can remove another point of Master of Deception and put it on whereever you would like to

Bruiser

Brawler: Can't use Blind or Gouge, but have more burst potential

[onyx ingot]

You can take Relentless Strikes in case you are in a premade group, so you can spam Envenoms, like in PvE

[onyx ingot]

Most common build for Solo PvP

[onyx ingot]

Utility build if you wanna fuck with every class

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk4xkoyxH4E

[rare thunder]

ty for this much of info man! i got a question :D so you put in the sinister strike 2 points but use mutilate, do you use mutilate + sinister or is this perc working with mutilate too?

[onyx ingot]

Quick Draw benifit from Sinister Strike and you wanna conserve as much energy as you can

Lot of rogue builds out there. First choose a playstyle:
Assassin=Stealth CC Focus; More Burst Potential
Brawler= Not Stealth CC Focus; More Surival Potential
Hybrid= Little bit of both
Blood Moon Event= More Damage from Ambush and Mutilate or Imp Kidney Shot Group Burst Window

After that you can desgin your talent:
Burst or Utility

Then you can build around your gear:
3% hit at start is the most important stat
AP/Str/Agi/Crit with Stamina

Choose your playstyle which you like more. Generally you don't want to lose Gouge or Blind, cause you not gonna be able to stun lock or cc, when you are facing more than one opponent.

Rogue requires precision to the maximum level, cause you need to be a step ahead of your opponent every single encounter, so you don't burst your globals. Lot of time i see rogues using Shadow Step on Mages, when they Blink... when they could use quick draw or in between the eyes to gap close, cause the mage will burst your vanish with a frost nova, then you are forced to sprint and preparation. Playing rogue is like playing chess.

Brawler build is good in BGs, when you get a pocket healer or when you are defending bases in arathi basin.

Learn it step by step and eventually everything will be self-explanatory, especially if you played any competitve game before.

[zealous whale]

what about outside of bgs for brawlers spec, i like to wpvp too lol

[sullen mist]

fiery weapon or +4 weapon dmg?

[livid palm]

Fiery got nerfed

[flat jackal]

They are about equal last I heard

[arctic wren]

hey guys - using sentinel blade in MH - is the fang better than my current oh? its too slow isnt it?

[livid palm]

That bootknife is not good at 50 lol

[onyx ingot]

There's a guide which i link in this chat. Simmonize showed the dps dfferences between each weapon.

You have two variations:

Honor Among Thieves rune requires:
2xSlow, but higher damage weapons
Why?
Your Mutilate hits with both weapon and that's your highest damage source, even higher, than white (auto) attacks
Currently the highest DPS rune from helm runes
Playstyle:
It's called combo point casino, becuz you gonna need party members to crit, which should happen quiet a lot in a melee group in a raid setting.
Most of the time you'll have 5 combo point, after 5 combo point, so you'll be able to spam Envenom all the time or Rupture, if you run Carnage over Cut to the Chase.
Envenom will be your highest damage source!

Combat Potency rune requires:
1xSlow, but higher damage weapon
1xFast, but lower damage weapon
Why?
Your want hit with your off hand weapon as much as you can to proc the rune's energy gain. In the mean time you can benifit from more Instant Poison damage, but that should be an issue, since your Envenom buff will nearly always gonna be active
Playstyle:
You'll use the standard 2-3xMutilates to get combo points and dump them on Envenoms and wait for Combat Potency to proc to be able to use more Mutilates.
Mutilate will be your highest damage source!

[jovial kestrel]

This might sound dumb but has anyone done the math to find out if the new +3 energy per crit from Focused Attacks could actually be viable now?

[onyx ingot]

Most likely your best bet from any content creator would be Simonize.
Combat Potency can be calculated with the attack speed format and multiply it by the proc chance.
Focused Attacks can be calculated with crit chance per second format.
After that you can compare the two. People say that combat potency will be always better, unless Focus Attacks gonna give you 8 or 10+ energy.
Combat Potency used to be in Combat tree, while focused attacks in assassination tree.
Honestly i'm not sure, currently.

[cedar pebble]

It might be worth it for shuriken tanking. Right now im quite happy with shuriken. Bonus energy (im using combat potency right now) does make a good difference. Gives me carpal tunnel, but its effective.

For bigger pulls (more than 10-12) you can still use adrenalin rush and thistle

[onyx ingot]

Well i'm using Honor Among Thieves and i can easily keep up Slice and Dice with Imp Snd talent. Unfair advantage is like a free attack, so it's really useful. I can easily dump 2-3 Evis inbetween Blade Dance and Slice and Dice

You can tank many ways, use whatever you think is useful

I also use shuriken toss and it's nothing more, than decent, if the party let you build combo points with it, but after aoe classes start spamming and you don't have blade dance you pretty much fucked, so threat management from dps part should be checked. Classic players know this, but average retail ones are not.

[viral osprey]

So im gonna main rogue in cata this go around, and im thinking of preparing my proffessions ahead of time! Anyone know what the best ones where/will be for us?

[onyx ingot]

for assa i would say herbalism for haste rating = more dot thicks

Mastery rating will be your most important stat

[viral osprey]

Makes sense, and alchemy as secondary or just any other gathering to start with for more money, or just leatherworking etc?

[onyx ingot]

I don't really remember what other proffs gave you

maybe skinning gave you some crit

i rocked Engi+herba, cuz of pvp

and you wanna be nelf

for shmeld, which is an extra garrote+overkill

[viral osprey]

skinning gives crit yes

[onyx ingot]

unless you wanna do arenas, then human

herba will give you lifebloom or something, which has either 1min or 2min cd

which is alighn with vanish, so you can combo it in a macro

[viral osprey]

You talking about lifeblood im asuming?

2 min cd on that one

[onyx ingot]

Also you gonna want avalanche enchant, cuz it can proc quiet often and also procs venomous wounds, which was a bug, so it might now

yeah that one, sorry it's been awhile

[viral osprey]

No its okay, i had to look it up myself XD

[onyx ingot]

i used to make assa pvp/pve guides in cata

for pvp you'll need spell pen, cuz your poisons do nature dmg and you dont want those to resist

there's a spell pen cap, which i don't remember

[viral osprey]

Alright, ill se if i can find info on that

[onyx ingot]

Cata fucked up pvp for the rogue

Hemo has a glyph which does low dmg dot and i always hated hemo, cuz it's never worth it

in Woltk i beat up high arena rating rogues as 79 twink

without hemo

waste of energy and backstab did more dmg

assa pvp in cata is way more fun but you lose shadowstep

blackjack is amazing, cuz its let you to use snd and recup

before you build up a kidney shot

[marble lion]

Is it worth running IEA right now for a raid with mostly melee dps? Is there a build posted anywhere for talents/runes?

[bronze spire]

anyone know if sword rogue is good/fun in sod

and what kinda talent build you'd use for it

[raven basin]

Sword is ass

[bronze spire]

i found out

so bad lmao

[ember dew]

Hey everyone! Is this the place for SOD questions or is there a different discord?

[wheat sun]

https://discord.gg/rKF9G7zusj

Pretty active in there for SoD questions

but im sure you can get some answers here aswell

[onyx ingot]

Something like this, not sure what is meta, right now. You cab try honor among thieves or cut to the chase. This is the basic sword rogue build

Sword rogue is way far behind to worth it btw

Only play it, if you like the playstyle and have guild who willing to include you in a raid!

[south plover]

I love sword it just so far behind I can’t use it . Would giving saber slash another base combo point make it worth while ? Or maybe since Muta hits with both weapons give us an attack with our off hand that dosent share a cool down with saber slash to help compete with damage ? Just spit balling here

[eager lake]

Only sword build that remotely competes with mutilate is an assassination build and works for any slow mh, fast oh combination. Basicaly 10 points in combat for imp ss and precision. The rest goes onto assassination to seal fate. 1 point lethality 10 points into your improved poisons/vile poisons.

[neon cove]

I had a question about +hit in SoD. I think I heard the "hit cap" was +6%. Is that just the desired amount if you don't have any talent points in precision? Is going past 6% a total waste or have some advantage vs bosses or higher level enemies?

[bleak python]

more hit is always good on rogues

and you don't need to be at 6 but that's yellow hit cap for +2 (ST) mobs

it's possible that stats outweigh hit below 6% and hit outweighs stats above 6%, depends entirely on your own gear and setup, this is why the sim is helpful

[neon cove]

Appreciate the info! I take it the 6% becomes 1% if you get 5pts of precision? Just doublechecking that hit from talents and gear don't somehow work different. Is the sim usable from one of the channels in here?

[bleak python]

yeah it's 6% hit regardless of where it comes from

though the opportunity cost of 5 talent points is much larger than what are mostly gear sidegrades

https://wowsims.github.io/sod/rogue/# is the easiest to use sim

just punch your gear and talents in and you can save to reference later

or run one sim and then compare another to it

[neon cove]

Killer, thanks!

[bleak python]

make sure under the settings it's simming against ST bosses (+2) as well

i think it defaults to level 50 mobs and that misses a lot of the value hit and weapon skill have in ST

[cursive wave]

For SOD, is it worth going leatherworking/engineering or just leatherworking/skinning? We dont use any of the engineering armor, right?

[dry tide]

is it still bugged

rogues

is subtlety good 2 go?

[hearty grail]

Bracers bis

Sappers/nades are huge as well

[empty igloo]

As an alliance player in Cataclysm, are there any race choices that have an advantage in PvE or PvP for Rogue?

[polar shadow]

i think best races are worgen/gnome?

[polar shadow]

And nelf*

[leaden wagon]

pvp human 100%, no? "every man for himself" allows you to have 2 dps trinkets instead of just 1 (unless they change it from what it used to be back in cata)

[polar shadow]

Its strong in pvp but i think that worgen crit rate or gnome expertise with daggers(if going sub) or even nelf shadowmeld would be better in more situations compared to human

[pliant ridge]

!wa

[tall rivet]

Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)

[warm spindle]

was smoke bomb always 5 seconds in cata? wasn't it 10? or did it get nerfed to 5 at some point ina later patch?

[old kelp]

this is the only discord that we have for cataclysm?

[plucky nymph]

There's one linked higher up.

@old kelp

[daring kiln]

I renewed my sub to come back for cata but 3 of my characters are missing from the character select screen, they still apear on the item restoration list. anyone know why i cant see them

[wheat sun]

Anyone know if Joyous journeys would be coming back

[delicate citrus]

no one knows, but if i had to guess they’ll probably bring it back for the end of phases

[hidden yacht]

hello all, playing a rogue in cata especially pvp and idk where to use my combo points, from my testing backstab or ambush always do more dmg then every combo finisher i have.

[hidden yacht]

playing sub

[frank pawn]

Is there specific spec channels for classic (cata) rogue discussion?

or this is all we got?

[plucky nymph]

There's a few other servers that focus on classic more than this one, this is mostly retail.

[pale sable]

I know it’s super early, but any leaks or speculations for the next exp? Hope assa rogue looks cool. Haven’t read much on war within.

[heady cradle]

#tww-assassination you should start there if you want to know about more stuff

[polar hound]

UPDATED Guide on Farming Crusader Solo - New Consumables Make This A Cakewalk https://youtu.be/l-sYiuM8AS4

[real latch]

Ive been wondering what professions would make the most sense in cata? Pve Assasination mostly i think TY in Advance!

[flint silo]

Things might be different, but back in the day engineering was quite nice almost throughout the expansion, for the crafted helmets and the cogwheel gems and some engineering enchants.
Later on in the expansion JCs were making bank from the 50 main stat gems, as you were pretty much socketing everything main stat, regardless of socket color or bonus

So at least from memory JC/Engi was the highest combo, and the good thing is they are both dependant on Mining, so you can just get a mining alt

[real latch]

ty mate

[elfin fulcrum]

how long does it take to level and get decent gear?

i saw the cata classic cap is 4k so we have some weeks to catchup

[elfin fulcrum]

any for mage , feral or rogue ?

[shadow swan]

Assasination or combat for phase 1 in cata?

[novel gate]

hey idk if right channel is there a site for pre bis rogue pvp ?

[heady cradle]

also check the pins on this channel

might find more useful discords for classic

[halcyon swan]

Does anyone have the BUFF id for the buff we get from envenom

trying to track it in my weak aura/tell me when but cant get the ID

(cata classic)

[gleaming tusk]

hey guys im playing SoD and currently using mutilate rune on gloves. So im wondering if i dig into a talent that gives 10% increased crit chance on backstab, does that also increase 10% crit chance on mutilate in SoD ?

[heady cradle]

I believe this channel isn't really active, try checking the discords on the pins, you might get luckier there

[gleaming tusk]

ok ty

[wraith karma]

Yes it does

[velvet jasper]

In cataclysm does assasin rogue's envenom see the 5% spell crit raid buff?

[old kelp]

hi guys, can you please tell me why darkmoon cards not mentioned here?
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/guide/classes/rogue/combat/dps-bis-gear-pve
Is there better place to check?

also engi guns not listed

[wind crown]

What would people say is the best dagger enchants for PvP in SoD?

[flint silo]

Considering that patches are rolled out quicker, it will be hugely dependant on Darkmoon card prices.
If you can grab one for cheap, it's a nice main stat boost. The proc is okay. I assume they'll be releasing it as the later versions, in which the proc could not crit.
Fluid Death is definitely the priority one imo. Most agility classes would want it
The engi guns are kinda same thing - depends how big the investment is, gold-wise

[sudden fractal]

is cata the xpac where sub stops being pvp exclusive?

[flint silo]

From memory, sub becomes more meta later in the expansion, and only for single target

[sudden fractal]

did assa at least catch up to combat in 4.0?

remember always punching up vs combats in icc back in private server days

[bright kettle]

Assa outperforms combat early on in cata. The only fight in t11 where u want to play combat is Halfus, 1st boss in Bot cuz u get crazy value from BF

[delicate oak]

does someone got a classic cataclysm rogue pvp guide ?

not the gear i dont care, i am looking for an actual rotation

opening etc

all the guide are just saying the gems and useless things

[plucky echo]

Is Spinerender in the game?

[torn silo]

Yeah

[vale jolt]

Do any1 know a guide on how to get Spinerender

[glacial egret]

is the tol barad trinket worth for rogues? (assa)

[languid wave]

Have you looked at skill-capped?

[green jay]

For me personally unsolvable riddle sims the highest by far with key to the endless chamber for me

combining on use with proc just seems too strong with vendetta

[green jay]

Do vashj'ir quests until you get to the quest 'Swift Action' and pickpocket those naga

Dont turn in the quest

[green jay]

The sword and dagger from lockboxes are, but I haven't seen a thrown on AH yet either

[vocal geode]

Is there a Cata Rogue Discord

or we limited to this lil corner

[flint silo]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/discord-servers#classic-class-discord-servers

[nimble charm]

When do we start to go through combat?

[violet crown]

Hey, what r u buy with valar points befor raids starts? t11 chest or trinket Liquid Death?

[bright kettle]

iirc in retail cata, combat catches up to assa when you get decent t12 gear. But than sub gets ahead. Differences arent big. It may change cuz classic tho.

[verbal wraith]

yo what we buying with valor first? some say chest some say trinket

im confused xd

[paper drum]

Im levelling as a combat rogue, level 46 right now, which poisons should I be using? Ive been rocking double instant this whole time

[old kelp]

hey, I'm looking for advice. My guild is running SR for Baradin Hold... Can you propose first pve items from there to SR?

[median perch]

What are the best budget options for weapon enchants for assasination?

Haste or nature chance ?

in cata*

[torpid venture]

Is there a rogue discord for Cataclysm ?

[sterile sorrel]

hello im a alchemist but my flask is giving me 300 agi . it shoudl give me 380 agi right ?

[forest coral]

Do you know the recipe? That usually how mixology works

[low star]

Does anyone know a good plater script for SoD rogue?

[dry mauve]

hey can anyone help me with cata assa? wowhead guide says we will aim for 1332 hit points with 2/3 Precision and will hit 17% but ingame im not achieving 17% hit with these stats

[dry mauve]

and is there any discord?

[leaden wagon]

check spell hit, not melee hit

[hasty depot]

I'm here for this as well

[haughty vigil]

Pins

[haughty vigil]

Pins

[noble moat]

any huge gamers have thoughts on best spec to level rogue through cata?

[somber belfry]

For pvp in cata classic, what do y'all think, should I enchant my weap with hurricane for haste buff or with berserking for attack power when I don't yet want to pay 16k for landslide 😂

[old gazelle]

whats the best leveling specc for rogue in cata?

[wheat siren]

any good pick pocketing spots?

[thin osprey]

I have a gearing question for cata classic. it will definitely sound dumb as i already know Fluid death is phase bis, but can someone answer what the reason is over key to the endless chamber? Key gives a 1710 agi buff, while at max stacks, fluid death only gives 380 agi, key even has more hit rating on it. does fluid death have a lower CD on proc time? like i said, i understand fluid death beats out key, im more just curious as to how

[forest coral]

I'm gonna guess based on the wording of the trinkets that the 85 sec icd on the key vs the 100% uptime of fluid is part of that determination

[glass saddle]

does sub (pvp) use rupture in rotation? can i remove it completely from my action bar?

[raven snow]

Hi just have a question when you open on a dk arent you supposed to open with a garrote so it silences his green aura thingy?
Talking like mage rouge 2s

Asking about cata

[shut fox]

As you can see this channel isn't really that active. The classic rogue community moved to other servers mostly.

[shut fox]

Check this: #classic-discussion message

[flint silo]

also pins

[elfin raven]

about poisons instant go to main 1.3 and deadly go second hand 1.8

right?

[half yew]

Deadly on fastest wep and Instant on slowest; if they're equal, Deadly on MH

[elfin raven]

if theyre equal good to know thanks

[storm trail]

are the vicious MH/OH better than the 346 pre-bis daggers? I have throat slasher and dagger of restless nights.

[elfin raven]

Troll Rogue Assa
Names please

[plucky nymph]

Tuskanraider

[peak blaze]

Evening guys. Is this the right place to talk SOD? I'm looking for some guidance into a nice PVP build. Any suggestions?

[willow pivot]

Isn't there a rogue classic discord, this seems to be all retail here - LF cataclysm discord rogue server

[flint silo]

[vale cedar]

Hey , anyone get the soak sub spec for valiona ?

[near socket]

The "not so hard" sub strat:
be sure to have 5 point recup + s&d ready (or running) when entering dream realm (Ral's Dazzling Destruction cast)
Feint before entering and as often as possible + kill at least 1 mob every 30 seconds to not care about recup+s&d uptime
if you are careful, you'll start feeling the zone debuff around 20-30 stacks and should cloak reset around 40-50 stacks
either wait for the "cleanup crew" to get in and let the healer top you off or get out and take a breather

your parses are gonna look fabulous but you pretty much turn the fight from heroic into a normal encounter

DON'T FORGET!!!!!!
be sure to explain the importance of your last-hit on mobs to avoid cases where some pesky hunters shoot down your 5% health target and make you waste combo points on reapplying your bread and butter buffs (or force you to leave the dream world early)

[near socket]

This is how it was sent to me 👍

[bitter steppe]

yo

how we living out here

[tough seal]

hello guys, for cataclysm, how much do you think i can sell krol decapitator for?

[flint silo]

check the pins - there are classic discords that might help you better

[polar hound]

https://youtu.be/kTy_Er6I11A

https://youtu.be/rQSkWWqtyvs

[mortal tapir]

Quick question for Catacylsm. Do you have 2 instant poisons or 2 deadlys?

[leaden wagon]

1 instant on slower weapon and 1 deadly on faster weapon

[mortal tapir]

Hey Quick question for anyone here,

It seems that my hit is really high, and my haste seems super low. I wanted to make sure if I was thinking the same thing because reforge lite is telling me this is the best

[polar shadow]

Get wowsimexporter and sim stats

Then plug into pawn and reforgelite

Click calc at 1-5 speed then ez

[mortal tapir]

okay rick.

[vale cedar]

tyvm

[polar hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sSQcqm0r4Y

[limber cairn]

Hey guys, why everyone is running jc instead of tailoring? The 1k ap worste than flat 80agi? What about later? Gems will be less impactfull cuz of the 50agi gems. And onether question: i have lw, with lw enchant on my hc bis wrist. Will i lose it if i go to tailoring?

[violet wave]

is it normal for my reforging stuff to prio expertise?

[half yew]

Tailoring can be worse than any other crafting prof, if you can't maximize the cloak proc. There's a ton of moments of downtime (or when you just can't deal optimal damage) that can waste a proc.

At face value, the 1k AP is slightly stronger than other professions.

As it stands now, yes JC's value goes down once epic gems are out. It's possible the JC gems get buffed. They weren't before, but it got changed in WotLK so possible it happens here.

Yes, dropping a prof disables any profession enchant. In your case, your bracer enchant will say "Requires Leatherworking (500)" and will no longer be active

[white kite]

key gives 1710 agi fr 15 sec vs the 'flat' 380 from fluid death, it also has a 10% proc chance on a 75 second internal cd, so overall fluid gives more agi. that doesnt mean key isnt still incredibly useful, when using key you should be trying to snapshot garrote and rupture for max dmg

[limpid quest]

I was reading earlier that Engineer/BS will be king from mid to the rest of the expansion, while the current best is engineering and whatever. But I’ve also heard that tailoring and JCer is very strong to match with engineering. I’m currently mining as my second profession, but I’m getting a lot of conflicting information. What would be recommended for min/max PvE for assassination (cataclysm, ofc)? Thank you!

[half yew]

I mean, nothing you've said is really conflicting or inconsistent. Engi is quite strong as the glove is a short CD that you control, so you can never "waste" it like Tailoring.

Tailoring sims OK and can be strong, but has limitations that I listed above.

The rest are identical up until Dragon Soul (T13), where Blacksmithing gets a bit better as a result of epic gems, and JC gets devalued as (currently) the JC gems don't get updated

[limpid quest]

That definitely makes sense. My plan was to go engineer/bs once I didn’t need mining anymore, hence why I’ve been filling my banks/bank alts with ore/bars and such. I was just unsure if I was over-reading/researching too deep to not notice something better, or if my plan was to be fruitful in the end. Thank you for responding and clarifying for me. 🙂

[polar hound]

https://youtu.be/zyEA3-iITJ4

[rich creek]

in cata classic. is the ideal leveling spec for rogue still combat as it was in wotlk?

[raven snow]

wow cata Q

this is what wow head says

this is my char ^

should I follow the one I marked red and make it 8% or should I follow the the green marked and make it 8%

[leaden wagon]

red is what matters

[torn oracle]

Is there any SOD discussion in this disc? Or anyone know where I can find rogue info for SOD? mostly see cata here

[plucky nymph]

There are more conversations about those versions of the game in the pins in this channel (the labeling might be a little old but check regardless).

[proper niche]

hey guys i played rogue in sod but i hated playstyle losing combo points when switcing target etc. but than i played outlaw in retail and i loved it. Now want to play in cata, how its playstyle ? is it still suffering from target switches ?

[plucky nymph]

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/guide/classes/rogue/combat/dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities-pve

[wet magnet]

Still fucked/losing points on switch. You can use S+D/Recup AFTER a mob is dead though.

[drifting forge]

(pvp) (cata)
Guys i have a question.
What enchant should i put in main hand for my sub rogue besides Landslide?

[warm wraith]

Any reason why I can’t join the classic rogue discord?

[plucky nymph]

Old invite?

[knotty spade]

Hello where do i find information for SOD?

[knotty spade]

Should i use poisen on my offhand or sharpening stone if i have the envenom ruune for more dps

[slate siren]

Deadly brew + envenom runes use shadow oil or sharpening stone on offhand. Keep mainhand clear for windstrikes

[jade sand]

guys question, what do u sell the most in cata in alchemy? flasks or pots?

[jade granite]

Pots for sure, couldrons are going to be all over

So is there not a discord for combat in Cata?

[half yew]

There hasn't been any kind of channels beyond this one for classic, in this server.

Right now everything SoD/Cata is in SimonizeShow disc, with a bit of bleed-over into Classic Rogue disc. Rogue Classic has a link here, not sure if Simon's does

[lament stump]

Hello guys, is there any channel or another reliable discord for Cataclysm Rogues?1

[celest harness]

hello im planing to level my 70 Rogue with herilooms , whats the best spec to get to 85?

[vagrant ocean]

there's a link to the classic rogue discord in the pins of this channel

[lament stump]

Thanks for your answer but those discords are only for SoD/Vanilla or Wotlk. nothing in details regarding cataclysm

[hot cloud]

any cata assa gamers?

[mortal tapir]

Anyone know which posions outlaw rogue uses in cata?

[leaden wagon]

deadly MH, instant OH, wound thrown

[jaunty helm]

Any familiar assassins on that can assist with my picking stat prior for the following: Expertise cap or flat haste/mastery

[frigid pivot]

Hey guys, sorry if this has already been asked, but which is best for just trash during Cata raids, assa or combat? I kind of assume it's combat but I want to be sure

[rain owl]

Anyone know what this is?

[left grotto]

It's from/ for the rogue quest iirc.

[desert juniper]

What happened to the season of discovery channel

[tame anchor]

hey does mutilate 20% damage increase with poisoins work with instant poison?

halp

[bronze arrow]

yes

[urban elm]

Does nature specialisation ring rune work with poisons? 🤔

[hasty shard]

Is this channel it in terms of rogue discord for cata? Most class discs have a guild recruitment channel, trying to find one of you guys for some heroic raiding (:

[half yew]

This server is essentially unused for Classic Cata. I'm not immediately aware of any active guild recruitment channels in any rogue-specific server.

Best bet is probably your classic server's discord

[devout tree]

hello i got a question for assa rogs in cata , whats higher priority , keep up envenom buff or rupture? lets say both falling off in 2 sec , i got 3cp , do i mutilate to 4+cp and envenom and let rupture fall off , or do i use the 3cp for rupture and let off envenom buff and try to get to 4+ cp for the next envenom?

[leaden wagon]

snd > rupture > envenom

you can use 1 cp envenom to keep up snd, or you can use 1 cp rupture just for uptime

[stray hollow]

Anyone else here pissed that Kazak is immune to poison dmg in SOD?

[vocal gale]

daggers or slow weps better for leveling 1-60 or does it not matter?

[worldly patrol]

Is the Saber Slash as good as Mutilate now?

build wise

[alpine obsidian]

Hey, is there any reason why I feel like FoK generates no real threat? I feel like I rip two or three of them in a pack and I just don’t get aggro.

[ruby gulch]

Darkmoon Decay shadow nerfed.... be careful when buying. feels real bad!

[fiery sage]

Anyone in here able to talk shop about rogue tanks?

[golden lichen]

is the nerf real? ive read its only ICD not proc rate so it should proc each 3 sec with that high proc chance

[raven snow]

You can get 1 stack of decay every 3 seconds soo 15 seconds for it to trigger 300ish dmg which is bad

[ruby gulch]

Apparently they reverted decay nerf?

[keen harbor]

What level can you do ashnevale dailies? 37 or 38?

[proper ivy]

doing heroics as combat, is it worth using deadly poison on offhand still?

[civic hollow]

Trying to find what the hit cap is on 60 SOD now with dagger rune?

Nvm, found out it is 9% with out +5 dagger skill
6% without +5 dagger

[dapper nebula]

Hey want to ask if the multilate build realy bether then the saberslash build ?

[icy hedge]

hey folks in average can someone tell me
i want brood noz from 15k hated to honored - how many runs of AQ20/40 i need?
and what isthe current lockout schedule for it? Classic Era

[devout tree]

Hello , anyone whos playing combat rog in cata , do I need 17% spell hit? or only 8% melee hit?

[undone pasture]

Holaaaa

Algun español?

Que quiera jugar?

[verbal tapir]

Sorry if this has already been asked but im unable to see any SOD specific chan - is there none or am i missing a role?

[vivid echo]

Wondering the same thing

[plucky nymph]

This server is mainly focused on retail, there are other options for season of Discovery and classic.

[heady cradle]

In the pins yes

[dapper nebula]

how much hit with the Precision talent ?

you think this is enough

[vagrant girder]

In cata, do we keep up Rupture and SnD as Assa in AoE?

[waxen ridge]

Can anyone here tell me the Theralion and Valiona subtlety spec that people run when soloing the shadow realm in 10 man?

[compact obsidian]

Which spec would I need to finish off enemies very quickly? The fastest one.

In cataclysm.

I just started a rogue so. I’ll find out. ☠️

[fallen steeple]

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/talent-calc/rogue/20302-2-0232030321303312301_001qf711qfa31qf441qfb

This is what I use - remaining glyphs are personal preference (backstab/evi)

[compact obsidian]

I give Blizzard props on that. I logged out and was in stealth. Log back in. Still in stealth.

That adds a whole new element for PvP and RP.

Last rogue played was a level 27^^

[vagrant girder]

Heyo guys! how do you use ReforgeLite for PvP?

[wanton flume]

How come Envenom casts don't show up in logs?

I see rogues with like 60 hits but 0 casts

[plucky nymph]

They never have.

[weary carbon]

is anyone here playing hardcore?

[plucky nymph]

@halcyon gulch

[halcyon gulch]

!ban @short flame photoshop scam

[atomic beacon]

Could anyone who knows their stuff help me with a WeakAura in Cataclysm? I'm trying to make one for the cooldown on Honor Among Thieves but nothing seems to work

[valid fog]

Hello! What is the best race for a rouge alliance tank?

[plucky nymph]

Certainly there's an article on wowhead about exactly this topic.

[vagrant girder]

What weights in number do you guys import on ReforgeLite for PvP?

[summer cedar]

Anyone know range of SnD in cata? how far can i be from target to use its combo points?

[wary sedge]

Currently using Southwind Helm at 9% hit.
Which is better in this situation?

[torn creek]

any blacksmiths on lone wolf horde able to craft blackguard?

[keen needle]

hey can i ask for rune Honor among thieves, i want do it but i odnt have anny letter in mail box and cant start my quest to ravenholdt manor. btw i am lvl 60

[vagrant girder]

Can we use presets for reforging? Or should we import stats ourself? In that case, what do you import for PvP?
Since my sub preset want me to go haste? And i know that wrong?

[sonic tendon]

For PvE you should be throwing your gear into wowsims, making sure it's set for soft breakpoints then hitting "suggest reforges" and follow that

for PvP I have no clue I would follow what the top rogues are reforging for, you want 5 (or 7% hit against night elf) outside of that I think you want crit

[brave sapphire]

Hello everyone. Any SoD rouges are present?
Could u please clarify [Envenom], are these 75% multiplicative or additive to proc chance? I.e. if proc chance of instant poison is 20% will it become 95% or 35%? And what about [Improved poisons] (second scrshot)? I've got strange feeling that while [Envenom] must be multiplicative, the [Improved poisons] are additive and add flat 10% to the proc chance...
...and then if it's true, the question is do they add before or after multiplication?

[half yew]

Talent is Additive. Envenom is Multiplicative. Talent is added first, then Envenom multiplier.

You can see the talent's bonus on your Instant Poison tooltip to confirm (20% -> 30%)

[brave sapphire]

ty
Kinda obvious but had to confirm it for myself 🙂
...now I can get back to playing combat backstabber 😄

[cunning bone]

Any certain rep or items I should be grinding/farming prior to 85 for slot enchants? I’m level 81

I will be mainly pvping at 85 with some raids scattered as pve combat

[terse flare]

any change to our spec? muti is still a thing or ?

[turbid berry]

Did anyone else not get to follow up quest after turning in “ the enemy of my enemy” quest for the bwl dagger?

[delicate storm]

anyone know if you can share the intelligence findings with other rogues so they can start the quest chain for the dagger? or does the q require the item to complete

[half yew]

It now requires the item to progress. It did not at launch but has since been patched.

[patent coyote]

I'm currently playing Backstab (w/ Combat Potency) and i'm not sure if https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=13368/bonescraper or https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=228600/the-jaw-breaker is better for offhand since daggers get some extras like crit chance from talents. Using https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=228185/broken-bottle-of-goblino-noir as mainhand

[cunning bone]

im tired of having poop pvp gear. just hit 85 and its rough

[sinful ledge]

On the other hand cats are pretty cool

[signal frost]

Hi fellow rogue players , i have one question , im playing combat rogue on cataclysm and im using Cais WA, since few days ( since WA update ) i dont see my combo point ( after i do one combo point my bar on WA is instant full). May someone has same problem or may someone know how to fix it since im not good with WA writing.

[cunning bone]

Any pvp rogue coaches? Think I need add on help and general knowledge. Been a while since I’ve played and just get irritated when arena

[unreal lark]

anyone have link to simonizeshow discord? pm please

[inland jungle]

I could help

Im always around

[cunning bone]

I’ll be on tonight. Ok if I message you when. I get home?

[languid shuttle]

an yone playing classic cata have a guild that raids heroic 25 man ? and plan to raid during the last tier of cata?

i have acheivements to prove ive done 25 man heroic content fl and the last tier while it was current

https://i.imgur.com/HLHoe3D.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/tOpRJfQ.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/07Qhear.jpeg

cancel the ragnaros one i didnt raid current with ragnaros just deathwing

[formal relic]

I have a cataclysm question. we're supposed to keep rupture up for the energy gain, right? so every once in a while I try to do rupture and I get "a more powerful spell is active" even if I have 5 combo points and it's about to drop off. do I have to just let it drop off, or is there some trick to it?

that's assassination if it isn't clear

[half yew]

You'll have to just let it fall. It's an issue where the existing Rupture is ticking for more than the new one

[crude otter]

Jumping on to that question, do we clip any damage by refreshing rupture early?

[plucky nymph]

There should be a tick of rupture at the final moment before it falls off, but there might not be, but it's easy enough to check for yourself to make sure.

[formal relic]

Don't dots roll over now anyway? or is that just shadow priests? If you apply a spriest dot a second or less before it drops off, then it adds to the time and you don't clip the last tick. I honestly don't know if that applies to all dots or just spriest.

[half yew]

If you apply a new one when there's only 2 seconds or less remaining, it'll add that final tick into the new application.

[half yew]

It's dependent on the tick frequency of whatever you're applying. Rogue DoTs in Cata don't scale with Haste, so they're on fixed 2 or 3 second intervals, depending on the spell. Rupture gets 2 seconds, Garrote and Hemo Glyph are 3. Recuperate also benefits from this, also 3 seconds.

Any application where there's only 1 tick remaining (so Time Remaining < Tick Frequency) will roll that final tick into the new cast.

[crude otter]

❤️ ty guys

[halcyon gulch]

!ban @full marsh spam

ty sir

[rose spire]

never played a rogue in classic before, what's the pvp rotation look like for opening on someone? as dagger spec

[viscid valve]

!wa

[tall rivet]

Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.

[edgy lion]

Guys,

I got a cataclysm question, about expose armor, is this still used!? I cant find it anywhere and i can remember that it was a MUST in WOTLK.

[half yew]

All armor reduction debuffs are now identical. Expose is by far the worst as it takes the longest to apply.

It also has a constant negative effect on the rogue's DPS while every other spec that can apply it can do so with barely any loss at all

[edgy lion]

Aitt Thanks

[weary hornet]

!wa

[tall rivet]

Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.

[heavy gorge]

Hey therer

i am sorta new to WoW classic

and i was wondering if there are any guilds that are recruiting? i am a level 11 rogue, alliance and just wanting a guild i can kinda talk to and play with etc

i am not new to WoW i have played retail for about 2 years now and classic for the past couple of months

[half yew]

The likelyhood you find anything here is exceedingly low. I'd recommend finding and joining a discord for your specific Classic server and looking there.

[heavy gorge]

Preciate you bro

[storm meteor]

Hey gents playing Cata, struggling to get some good info on Assa rogues. Anyone know of a good community or some pumpers i can follow ?

Thanks

[plucky nymph]

Check the pins in this channel

[rotund path]

How can I exactly tell what weapon I should use?
Is it all about DPS? Just take the one with the best DPS or are stats more important if they are close togehter in DPS?

[brittle bear]

stats and weapon speed. always use heavy wep in MH and fast in OH. If ur going daggers, 2 fast weps 😄

[wraith pelican]

Looking at builds for Fresh Classic, trying to remember if Combat Dagger Build or Seal Fate Dagger Build was better DPS. Anyone remember? Plan on aiming for 5 piece NS / 2 piece BF / Core-Hound Gloves / Perdition's & Core Hound Tooth

[rotund path]

what stats exactly? Like lets say I have
A: white dagger 9 dps
B: green dagger 7 dps + 2 agility
C: green dagger 8 dps + 2 strength
how can I exactly tell what combination of these would be the best? In retail I would use a "simulate"-website that would do the math and tell me.

[cold umbra]

Well you always want the one with the stats on them id it’s that close and agi is prio

[half yew]

Seal Fate is never an optimal build. It's a possible build that can be ran in absolute T3 BiS, but is never better than pure Combat Daggers.

[half yew]

This entirely depends on what version of the game. It's not clear from your screenshots

[winged tundra]

anyone know why this guys name would be purple?

cant find anything online as to why it would be like that, or how youd obtain it

[forest coral]

Maybe an RP addon?

[winged tundra]

multiple people can see it, and i dont have any addons that would do that to my knowledge

[rotund path]

sorry its classic wow hc

[half yew]

In that case you're going to want a high damage range, non-dagger main hand in order to increase your Sinister Strike damage as much as possible. In your off hand, you're looking more for just stats and highest tooltip DPS.

Your main hand needs to be a non-dagger as Sinister Strike is normalized, so there's a large and free damage increase simply to use any non-dagger. From there, the highest possible top-end damage value can help, but sufficient raw tooltip DPS can out-perform in this aspect, if you find something good. Stats matter less here, but watch for anything with Agi or flat Attack Power.

[rotund path]

thanks for answering

[marble dune]

orc or undead rogue what you guys think? for pvp

[forest coral]

Always been more a fan of orc even if stub resist has an RNG component to it

[wraith pelican]

Orc....Stun resist and basically a free DPS Trinket from racials

[deft dew]

I wanna go alliance, but I fear orcs… And alliance being owned in BG’s. Hmm.

[candid anchor]

dude for sub rogue i seen none of the sites are updated for cata i need to copy it somehwere anyone kno

for pvp

[merry crater]

Is this the SoD section?

[half yew]

This is the anything not retail section

[thorn walrus]

Hmm im going to play rogue on the new fresh classic servers, aint Human the best choice then?

[gaunt dust]

Can anyone with Cata rogue experience explain to me which spec is best for Fangs of our Fathers Legendary daggers from dragon soul my guild thinks it’s Sub but I personally think Assassin with the instant 5 combo point proc is just as OP

[raven snow]

can we pre download yet for fresh classic

[half yew]

Either is fine. Sub is harder to play and has limitations on fights you can't cast Backstab on, but the highest theoretical top-end DPS. Asn is easier and more consistent damage, has a better time on anything AoE or target-swaps. Combat lags behind for single target but is still strong for anything you can use Blade Flurry on.

[gaunt dust]

What makes Sub so OP with daggers

Thank you for your insight so far

[half yew]

It just does more damage. Even in T11/T12 it had/has the highest theoretical output, just needs to be played well and isn't great for some fight styles. In T11 no one really pushed it, but right now in T12 Sub is actually the top spec on WCL but we're so early in the tier it's hard to say if that'll remain

[gaunt dust]

I see now well if you have time can you send me some pro tips about sub I’m looking at guides and watching videos but if you have any pro tips for it that would be very helpful trying to get priority for these daggers

[daring kiln]

Who are the best classic rogue speed levellers?

[paper flint]

Streamers who paid mages to boost them.

[stray whale]

what spec goated…

[solar lava]

Anyone thinking of cooking up a sub build for the fresh without debuff limits?

[wooden matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-tom-and-jerry-mouse-rat-jerry-gif-16912561

[halcyon gulch]

!ban @solemn turret Shopify scam

Ty sir

[rapid night]

Trying to knock this out alongside doing wowsims work, but here's a bookmark for later lol (work in progress).

https://www.thecomfywizard.com/classic-rogue-compendium-p1

[atomic herald]

Is there a classic rogue discord?

[thorn walrus]

Best professions for rogues in fresh classic?

[solar lava]

I usually always go herb to have my own fadeleaf supply in a fresh economy

[jagged knot]

people having problems pickpocketing?

[thorn walrus]

hmm u said something there, that might be good

the guide atm is recommending

bs for sharpening stones

[soft plume]

Looking for a few decent guides apparently wow head is bad?

[proper barn]

Does stoneskin remove blind while already blinded or does it need to be pre cast?

[rapid night]

WIP, but could use some eyes on this - open to recommendations/feedback

https://www.thecomfywizard.com/classic-rogue-compendium-p1

[bitter venture]

Hi ! , French rogue assassination from cataklysm looking for some optimisation dps on firelands. My parse are low, my dps is ok on bosses static, but i'm searching to improve my dps with mouvement. I know my spec is a solo target without any aoe ^^ so i'm glad to hear some advises. Thanks

now i'm looking on wowheads and stuff for basic optimizations

[junior mist]

(cataclysm) sorry if this has been asked before, is it possible to cloak of shadows alysrazor firestorm or not ? my guild claims it works but i take damage through cloak. is there a secret tech im missing ? (with feint up ofcourse.)

[half yew]

You can cloak a single tick, during the first ~1 second of Cloak. After that, it punches right through

[shell hedge]

hey guys,i started levelling a rogue on classic era, there are 3 options between sword build (talentwise) / dagger build and pvp build ( pls note that im playing on the PvP Server , mostly playing solo)

Pls advise or send link casue there's too many options

[marble dune]

play combat non-dagger for leveling

[shell hedge]

so sword build ?

[analog sleet]

until level 42 for rank 2 slice n dice, is my rotation just 3-4 sinister strikes and then eviscerate to finish? is rank 1 sns worth using for mob killing?

for regular mobs

[livid palm]

No it’s not. Just evis

[devout tree]

hello which poison do i want on whcih weapon 🙂

[tawny gyro]

So in the fresh servers, since theres no debuff limit are we using deadly poison OH and putting rupture in the rotation?

[rapid night]

• IP or WF MH
• DP OH
• No Rupture

[fluid spruce]

dat just for raid right? for shit dat dies fast u go double instan? (no wf)

[rapid night]

Just for raid - double IP for other stuff

[fluid spruce]

tyty

[rapid night]

And if you're in a top parse guild with ~15s kills, you'd run IP OH instead of DP, since the boss doesn't live long enough for DP to pull ahead.

[north parcel]

how far behind is elemental sharpening stone

[rapid night]

Sec, have to spin up sims again

[rapid night]

30s, it's ~15dps less.
60s, it's ~20dps less.

[north parcel]

dang i sucked in 2019

thats all i used lol

guess the 99s dont lie though going to be good to have better sims

simonzie sheet was great but was furstrating to use for every thing lol

[rapid night]

2019 had the debuff limit, so it was acceptable

But yeah, we'll try to have the sims up as quick as we can (having to basically completely disassemble SoD sims and reverse engineer to get back to a stable Classic)

[unkempt pawn]

quick question from noob SOD rogue...what are opening moves? is ambush an "opening move?" if so would cutthroat procs of a free non stealth ambush still count as an opening move in regards to my t2 set bonus that says "opening moves have 100% chance to make your next ability cost no energy?"

[last wolf]

ambush/garrote/cheap shot

[round bane]

Is there a combat rogue class guide for wow anniversary?

[rapid night]

Wowhead has one, and I’m working on this for raiding:

https://www.thecomfywizard.com/classic-rogue-compendium-p1

[jade sand]

heyo guys, how does afk RBGs works in cata?

[final grotto]

I'm a lvl16 combat rogue, do I slam double hammers? (2x maces) I don't need a fast offhand yet till I learn poisons right?

[rapid night]

Just use whatever the highest damage weaps you have are

Even after poisons, doesn’t matter while leveling

[stuck cosmos]

Anyone know why I'm losing combo points on my main target when detargeting/switching to another target?

Very annoying losing combo points because I have to kick/cc another mob

[warped kite]

Welcome to classic

[stuck cosmos]

oh so its just an intended mechanic

Cause I dont even need to hit another mob or even target anything else - just deselecting the mob is enough to lose em

[rapid night]

This is how CP works in classic, correct 👌

[stuck cosmos]

Ok! ty

[elfin crag]

sweat rogues, help please
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1h2vh0n/rogues_help_please_the_difference_between_wotlk/

[plucky nymph]

Combo points still suck, assassination works in wrath. Done.

Here's my CV,

[zenith pike]

Where do I get deadly poison on classic era? I am level 33 and do not see it at any of the rogue trainers in SW.

My poison skill is 119

[plucky nymph]

I'm seeing it on Tony in stormwind, dunno.

[zenith pike]

Yeah, I had to level poison skill up apparently lol. Thank you.

[plucky nymph]

Ah-ha!

[jagged knot]

What is everyone doing to farm for mount at 40?

[quartz remnant]

@ruby bridge

[ruby bridge]

!ban @royal yew spam

[plucky nymph]

I tend to level with double gathering professions just to sell everything along the way and make money for both mounts, things tend to be cheaper later on and more expensive the earlier you are.

[red valve]

If I’m self found and not going mining what’s the best way to farm a silver bar? Want one for the gnomer quest

[rapid night]

Can sometimes find in chests

[rapid night]

Starting to work on comparison spreadsheet now for raiding. Will share once complete. Probably take me an hour or so.

[rapid night]

Comfy Classic Rogue Sims

(links will be updated to work properly once Sim tool is live)

[rapid night]

v1.0 release of the Classic Rogue P1 Compendium is live ❤️

https://www.thecomfywizard.com/classic-rogue-compendium-p1

[bitter musk]

Anyone leveling a HC rogue do an Ambush build? Was wondering how it fares and possible talent order

Sorry didn't mean to reply to that

[rapid night]

@ruby bridge @versed hatch spam ☝️

[ruby bridge]

!ban @flint field spam

[marble dune]

does debuff limit change anything for rogues? like opening with garrote or using rupture instead of evis

raiding wise

[rapid night]

Negative:

• Tested rupture and even on longer fights, it still is outperformed by sending an Evis.
• Garrote continues to not be worth because the time it would take you to get into position is often more than a couple globals of sending a builder. So you ultimately lose more than you'd potentially gain.

[marble dune]

was improve sap always 90%? i dont remember this

[livid palm]

Yes

[red dragon]

Quick sod question, which poisons with mutilate build?

[rapid night]

In SoD, Mutilate uses the Deadly Brew rune - so you wouldn’t use any poisons. Instead you’d keep main hand empty to leverage Wild Strikes and off hand you’d use Elemental Sharpening Stone.

[devout escarp]

Yup. And that 10% failure def feels way more than that

[gilded sable]

Hi guys, budding level 29 rogue noob here. I was following the advice for rogue combat build from the wowhead website, but as a lot of people pointed out it doesn't include Riposte which seems like a super strong ability. My last talent point went into parry to try get this but it's going to eat up 6 talent points so the result of my build will be quite different to the guides, I guess with less to put into the assassination tree. Have I fucked up by putting too many talent points in this tree or will it be ok? Thanks

[shut bobcat]

hello im lvl 30 on classic got the outlaw saber and some dagger in offhand anyone know what weapons to go for next? or any sort of progression list i can go by or am i good for now

[neon verge]

classic friends, what professions are good for us

[rapid night]

As far as professions which provide a direct damage boost, Engineering is the only one. Your second profession can realistically be whatever you'd like. Mining complements Eng well, but you could choose something else if you are okay with buying the Eng materials.

[rapid night]

Looking to go Sinister Strike or Backstab for leveling?

[shut bobcat]

ss im combat swords

[rapid night]

#808071178999824415 message

[shut bobcat]

?

[rapid night]

It's a link to a post on Simonize's Rogue Discord with exactly what you're asking for

[neon verge]

Just that it says Unknown for us I think

[rapid night]

Ah gotcha, maybe permissions - sec

From Simonize:

Sinister Strike, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage weapons:

Feral Blade - Lvl 8 - Vendor in Loch Modan town and multiple vendors in Barrens. Limited supply item, might not be there when you look at the vendor.
Cruel Barb - Lvl 19 - Drops from Edwin Vancleef, Deadmines dungeon
Stinging Viper - Lvl 19 - Drops from Lord Pythas, Wailing Caverns dungeon
Shadowfang - Lvl 19 - BoE Zone Drop in Shadowfang Keep
Wingblade (Horde) - Lvl 20 - Quest reward from Leaders of the Fang, Wailing Caverns dungeon
The Butcher - Lvl 26 - BoE World Drop
Outlaw Sabre (Horde) - Lvl 28 -  Quest reward from Strange Water Globe, drops from Baron Aquanis in Blackfathom Deeps
Zealot Blade - Lvl 29 - BoE World Drop
Ironspine's Fist - Lvl 30 - Drops from Ironspine rare spawn in Scarlet Monastery Graveyard
Midnight Mace - Lvl 33 - BoE World Drop
Stonevault Bonebreaker - Lvl 37 - BoE Zone Drop in Uldaman dungeon
Vanquisher's Sword - Lvl 40 - Quest reward from Bring the Light (Alliance) or Bring the End (Horde) in Razorfen Downs
Sword of Omen (Horde) - Lvl 40 - Reward from Into the Scarlet Monastery quest in Scarlet Monastery dungeon
Sword of Serenity (Alliance) - Lvl 40 - Reward from In the Name of the Light quest in Scarlet Monastery dungeon
Heaven's Light - Lvl 40 - BoE World Drop
The Hand of Antu'sul - Lvl 43 - Drop from Antu'sul in Zul'Farrak
Thrash Blade - Lvl 50 - Quest reward from Corruption of Earth and Seed in Maraudon dungeon.

Get whatever you can at the lower levels, but then at 40 you should get Vanquisher's Blade from Razorfen Downs and either Sword of Omen or Sword of Serenity depending on your faction from Scarlet Monastery. Those will last you until level 50 when you can Maraudon for Thrash Blade, which will last you until 60.

[neon verge]

legend, cheers man

[shut bobcat]

link dosent work for me

[rapid night]

See above

[shut bobcat]

i see thanks

gotta ask i know slow weapons in mainhand but does it matter for offhand at all?

i currently have outlaw sabre and a dagger from bfd in my offhand

[rapid night]

Not really while leveling

[half yew]

Even at 60, your weapon choices are determined by what's available, and sometimes that means the OH isn't exactly "fast"

[balmy summit]

anyone able to point me in the right direction for SOD phase 6 bis?

[bitter musk]

Is there a similar outline for Daggers? (I also can't follow that link)

[rapid night]

Credit: Simonize

[bitter musk]

You da man, thank you

[cyan steppe]

Yeah, the Plugger surname hits the filter...

[rapid night]

Hahaha.

[fluid spruce]

will hemo rogue be a thing for raid with debuff limit removal ?

[rancid frigate]

hi! i started classic as rogue dwarf, i'll plan on playing mostly pvp, is it a huge difference to play gnome or dwarf? since dwarf can remove the bleed etc

[rapid night]

Not any difference I’d consider “huge”

[half yew]

No, not outside of "Apply EA fast" memes for omega speedruns

But that sacrifices nearly all personal DPS purely to be an expose bot for 20 warriors

[hidden yacht]

hello all, i got a problem where idk why I cannot use envenom despite having poisons in my daggers, what am i doing wrong?

nvm i found out the problem, i had instant poison instead of deadly poison

[fluid spruce]

@half yew yy, was considering it as a supporter/buffer type of thing for other melees

[amber hill]

yo

is cataclysm/SOD worth playing nowadays?