wow-general

[hearty fog]

play what you enjoy the most

doesnt matter

theres some bit around assi doing less damage in lower keys because ramp

and mobs die too quickly

but thats about it

[modest tartan]

Anyone have problems to login? I've been trying to log in for over two hours, but it won't let me 🙁

[meager totem]

wont let you how, you can just google the error number you get

[tough swallow]

https://github.com/AcidWeb/Clean-Icons-Mechagnome-Edition

[barren ledge]

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gloomy kindle]

i was wondering if its worth to use more then rank1 pots/flask/oil. anyone knows if its worth the dps increase > price.

[stone ermine]

Ty

[mellow pilot]

Depends on your pockets

And no extra explanation is needed

[oak tartan]

R1 is totally fine. I as a multi millionaire only use r1 in m+ and guild cauldrons with alchy in raid

[tough swallow]

The diffrence is low, but not insignificant.
Tho the most important thing is using a pot.
🥛> Open Simulation <

[gloomy kindle]

ty for the answers
yea is expect that pots are the most difference since flask stats increase is not that much

[tough swallow]

its for all of them, rank 1 -> 2 is not as significant of a jump anymore

[mellow pilot]

It's min max eitherway

[gloomy kindle]

the price difference is huge though

[ruby linden]

I use r2 stuff when I’m pushing, r1 when I’m re clearing or doing easier stuff

I use r1 when progging as well bc I’m stingy

[thin ferry]

Donnerstag, 14. Mai 2026 14:24
is there any way to see which items i already got with bonus rolls in a dungeon?

[clear vector]

Assa has better prio for giga high keys, but if you're pugging good luck getting into these keys in the first place.

Sub has a very nice 90s burst and a respectable damage profile due to it's 20s dance windows. Very nice and easy to pug till 17-18s. (Also the real rogue spec)

Outlaw is fake and gay. Period.

[static epoch]

only when you're about to roll - it shows you the remaining items on the core roll menu

[ruby linden]

I forgot to check for another day, but KeystoneLoot likely tracks it

(Or you can manually check items off it too)

[rich meadow]

Does this capture the season so far 😂

[static epoch]

not really

this is trying to smush like 10 weeks of activity into a single moment

like I did everything on this list, but over 10 weeks it doesn't feel all that unusual or special

[ruby linden]

They ran out of gas after mentioning 3 things the rest of the pasta is just meaningless padding lmao

[novel cipher]

you forgot "did you make sure to level an approved raid buff class"

[fossil storm]

hey quick question > how do crafted items upgraded with ascendant voidcores work when recrafted for other stats? are they still recraftable? do they stay at the upgraded ilvl or do they downgrade back to 276 (wouldnt really matter as we can farm cores as we want, i guess)?

[fringe umbra]

Stay upgraded

[oak tartan]

Now imagine you need a 2nd char for splits

[hearty fog]

Yeah does ritual site even deserve to be on the list?

Outside the lvl 1 spam i havent done a single one

[noble kestrel]

It doesn't even include idling and posting in trade chat, doing crafting orders, collecting cool hats.

I mean smh, it's missing the mos timportant partsof the game

But also lol it's so much stuff that isn't important or that should be basic to going to raid.

[hearty fog]

Yeah idk, im all for raid logging but that reached so hard it pulled a muscle

[glossy flicker]

reads like those classic player posts about what they think retail is from last playing it in wod

[hearty fog]

Weekly raid buff

[ruby linden]

They served me no use actually, I don’t play much on Tuesdays

[noble kestrel]

Ritual Sites are fun and easy catchup, but if you are already end-game raiding you legit don't need to touch them

In fact all you need to do is login, do 3 things, then do 5 raid bosses

[fringe umbra]

Or they stopped playing mid legion and think you need to farm dailes and grind every single day

[glossy flicker]

the implication here behind resil 12 being required to farm vault is scary

[ruby linden]

Eh it’s nothing more than bait posting for impressions and le funny

[ruby linden]

Because players brick 10s ofc

[karmic prairie]

Question - so Gaze is by far the best trinket for all 3 Rogue specs. I have a maxed out heroic Gaze 276 ilvl. Is it worth using an ascendant voidcore on it to bump it to 285 because it's such a strong trinket, or am I better off upgrading a different mythic slot to 298? I doubt I will do mythic Dreamrift and get a mythic Gaze.

[turbid heron]

If you already upgraded your MH then probably

You will get a lot of voidcores with the change they made anyway

And if you want to confirm you can always sim your options

[turbid notch]

dumb question. In dream rift mythic intermission phase. Do we share the trash mobs? Or do each group get their own set of mobs?

[turbid heron]

Each group gets their set

[noble kestrel]

Their own set and never should they meet

[woeful geyser]

ofc their own mobs, thats the entire mechanic

[karmic prairie]

I have both daggers at 298 so I'm trying to decide my next one

[mellow pilot]

both?

hopefuly OH was last

right?

https://tenor.com/view/padme-gif-24474700

Because the only right order would be MH - Trinkets - OH

[turbid heron]

When in doubt sim will always tell you the best answer

[woeful geyser]

no

3rd

cus my gaze is not max ilvl

[mellow pilot]

i doubt ill farm voidshards

season is over

[rich meadow]

Trinkets….. still trying to win a gaze…… 😭

[neon musk]

so mythic logs go into que?

before thyre posted?

[ember nest]

depends on how many logs are being posted

[sleek reef]

seems like there are some log processing issues right now, not entirely sure

[karmic plover]

Is there a reason why most guides recommend cheat death over elusiveness? I feel like I'd get much more value out of a flat defensive that's so spammable rather than a 6 min cheat death? I'm only up to 12s at the minute but am I missing something obvious?

[blazing prism]

elusiveness is definitely better in high keys. at lower levels people are more likely to just die from mistakes rather than unhealable damage, and if they don't know to feint the damage in advance it won't help them. Cheat will.

[karmic plover]

Nice, I'll switch it out then I think. Would rather have more control and defesive

[blazing prism]

if you feel comfortable, go for it. i got resil 18 playing cheat tho, so you definitely don't NEED to swap yet if you're still learning what kills you etc

[marsh wagon]

Start tracking your avoidable damage taken, when that's consistently at the bottom of the chart for the group, you can think about switching 🙂

[karmic plover]

I'm nearly always at the bottom of damage taken. I'm just switching to rogue from evoker and I'm so squishy on that it's awful

Good to know either is an option though

[shadow night]

hey guys is powerlelving still a thing or did they get rid of it?

[fringe umbra]

Elusiveness only does something when feint does not work. Its 40% or 20%, not both at the same time

In raid almost everything is coded as AOE, so elusiveness often does very little

In dungeons there are very often dangerous mechanics that aren't aoe, in which case elusiveness is good

[mint kraken]

anyone feeling like a lepper playing this class in pve lately?

[woeful geyser]

i always feel like one

not a recent thing

[fervent ibex]

Pretty sure it’s still a thing but not many people have the method/have the ability to do the method

Blizz has been actively hotfixing the methods as well

[novel cipher]

can you still do the earthen thing?

where you use a toy to leave the starting zone and then just fly around discovering areas for leveling

[prisma talon]

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tired geode]

as somebody who is new to rogue - Is outlaw better than assassin right now? Which of the two has a more complex rotation? I think outlaw is fun but it feels like a lot of buttons to keep up with.

[fading path]

they're all pretty similar but if played absolutely perfectly with no downtime outlaw pulls ahead slightly

assassination is on the lower end of the 3 but still competitive based on the level of content tbh

[rigid idol]

Hi all, I'm new to rogue this tier and plan to play it in our alt group (I'm a healer main). I'm a bit torn between outlaw and sub, seeing they both perform well in Raid and M+. Since the 2 specs are totally different gear wise, I can't seem to make a decision. Sub seems to be pulling ahead in raid slightly, is that also gonna be the case in m+?

[ember nest]

remember nitro is never free

and local milfs are not interested in you

[restive sorrel]

They’re not??

[mellow pilot]

Outlaw is harder, sub is the easiest, all 3 specs do very well, assassination gets better the higher the key goes

[rigid idol]

Thanks!

[mellow pilot]

I personally switched sub after being OTP assassination for over a decade

[winter talon]

anyone else seeing issue in wcl logs, stuck in queue?

[kind spire]

anyone using EXBOSS with exwindtools finding that it tanks performance? I can't think of anything else I installed recently that would be doing this, have to assume it's this

[grizzled fjord]

Yeh, had this yesterday with a log for hours

It eventually goes up, it just takes a while

[wise wagon]

My condolences friend

[mellow pilot]

Don't be, I'm enjoying it

[ruby linden]

Sin supremacy

[lethal cove]

What day do patch notes usually come out to the public

[static epoch]

Friday (Saturday night for EU, Friday day for US)

[fringe umbra]

There's probably not going to be one this week, and no guarantee we will even get another set of tuning until the next patch

[wide panther]

Hey guys i have a question about Tricks of Trade. Sometime when i use it on the tank i still get the first hit but soimetimes not. is there any secret i miss?

[fringe umbra]

Just takes a millisecond or so to transfer the threat

So you can't pull stuff when in melee range

[static epoch]

or you may get backhanded while the enemy is turning to the tank yep

[ember nest]

dont strike in like a monkey

XD you can storm a bit away usually it is safe

some mobs do que a mini tank buster or a charge like the first pull of triumvirate tho

so beware

[tough swallow]

best is to storm outside of melee range

[novel cipher]

from the wowhead article

1/1

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

oh even better that link is to a DIABLO IV guide. not even world of warcraft

[ruby linden]

that's the footer

i cant read the guide says get a labrewbu and a resto druid

[torpid harness]

Same shit bro just press the buttons idk

[lone spruce]

can we skip that Skyreach last boss ability with vanish/meld?

[glossy flicker]

yes

press during the cast on you

[lone spruce]

also what about bird? do we kidney it and spamm step at the end?

[glossy flicker]

Kidney good idk about step

[lone spruce]

how can we rescue ourself? dont want to cleave bird in21 again

[mellow pilot]

You're asking questions that 99% of people here do not know the answer to

[north lily]

What rogue spec works best for M+ without shaman/warrior buffs atm?

[quasi venture]

you can shadowstep to a party member or the boss if theyre close enough

[unreal gulch]

the buffs dont really affect them that differently in the grand scheme

[north lily]

Okay thanks, just going to be running some terrible comp with some guildies so wondered 🙂

[turbid bone]

Does anyone have a focus target kick macro with a target marker on mob? The ones I googled didn't work

[opaque temple]

anybody have a 70 alt on a low pop server for bmah? or ever done that? is it a solid strat to try and get good deals

[blazing plume]

yo

is there a thing wher you can skip your vault for +1 voidcore?

if yes how do u do it, do u get the 6 coins and you can buy another voidcore with those from the guy in voidstorm or...

[meager totem]

you buy it from the npc next to the vault

[onyx ferry]

I’ve done it in the past. Very daring

But it worked for me

[blazing plume]

ah ok tyvm

[fervent ibex]

Have to be max level to get access to the bmah pretty positive

I’ve done it many times in the past, before they added a way to craft t3

[tired geode]

Hiii I don't understand raidbots yet. This might be my 4th time using the site.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sLJFrPuzxUNB6bMeVBYPgj

i know the results can be inaccurate for lower lvl players but is this 6.3k dps aoe or st? just practicing my rotatin on st i could get around 1.5k dps....

[mellow pilot]

that's a patchwerk sim, which means ST

[tired geode]

thank you!

wow that means im absolute ass

[mellow pilot]

Doubt but go on

[oak tartan]

It's a low level sim, you don't even have all talents you need

[novel cipher]

it's less that it's inaccurate, it's more than blizzard intentionally fuzzes numbers while you're leveling. trying to get more dps before max level is almost completely pointless

[little vine]

This sim is also with all buffs active. I wouldn't expect anyone leveling to do even close to this

[tired geode]

🔥 🫡

[torpid harness]

My gf staying mounted in delve LMAO

[onyx ferry]

266 ilvl gaming

[unique mountain]

Does anyone know how to display health on the Lu'ra crystals when you have plater?

[deft oriole]

Hello new to rogue, i wonder which spec i should start with leveling/gearing/practicing - i am interested in M+ mainly, 15-16 lvl keys pugging to focus on overall dps, i see outlaw pushes highest, so for now its seems to good to go, any Tips or tricks for start? Thanks

[mellow pilot]

dont start with outlaw i guess, its the hardest spec and requires a specific team comp to do good

[deft oriole]

So what would be recommended with pugs, no specific comps, assa?

[mellow pilot]

assa or sub

Assa gets better the higher the key level

[deft oriole]

10 farming first, then 15/16 push

[delicate monolith]

what addon do you recommend for logs?

[mellow pilot]

10's farming just go sub

[ashen spindle]

Bruh does AOE blind not work on the M+ Affix like the AOE Multiple Stop xalatath thing

[fringe umbra]

If you target another mob it does

But not if you target the orb, the orb despawns before blind gets to spread to the others unfortunately

[ashen spindle]

KEK

Man i like rogue, but blizzard really needs to work on some M+ util

[rare solar]

That has been a thing since they made that affix btw

So we can only assume it's intended

[novel cipher]

since literally day 1

[zealous berry]

I mean hey at least we got aoe blind back…

[woeful geyser]

ngl

i still dont understand why it was even removed

[zealous berry]

Because they needed to make sure rogues got put down more since demon hunters got new stuff!!

[steep dock]

because fuck you

[onyx ferry]

Pugging the first boss of heroic voidspire is harder than any key I’ve ran this season wtf is going on lol

[steep dock]

weird, I pug 1 fine on mythic

[noble kestrel]

Imperator can be really weird and variable no non-rekill groups

[onyx ferry]

The one I just got into the tank kept taunting all of the adds on top of the boss 🙃

[steep dock]

[zealous berry]

Make your own group, post VOIDSHARD FARM 280+ and trust me you will fly through heroic

Do it now before all the good players get voidshards on their alts and dont need to run it anymore

[onyx ferry]

My DK is only 270 or I would try this 😂

[plush dune]

Thats even better

The way of the pug is to post a required ilvl thats either higher than yours or conveniently just happens to be exactly yours

[zealous berry]

I did it on my 262 frost mage to gear it in one day so i could bring it to our myth raid since our mage was out, ran the whole thing in literally 40 minutes

[clear geyser]

i've literally joined on like that and the leader was a fresh max level in 2 expansions old gear

[onyx ferry]

I am gonna try it

[zealous berry]

And it was so easy i then did it on my 256 bdk for shits and giggles, same thing easy peasy

[clear geyser]

people usually don't care that much if you're properly leading the group

[zealous berry]

^

[clear geyser]

like making assignments or some type of calls etc

better you than them

[zealous berry]

they wont notice your dps anyways cuz if everyone is just farming shards, it’ll be quick regardless

Yeah for some reason people are afraid of being a leader in wow, despite it being the easiest thing in the world

[clear geyser]

but ppl will let you get away with it, usually

never seen a leader called out for being z geared

[zealous berry]

I mean ill be honest, the time i ran on my mage the only thing i said that pertained to the raid was on crown and what i said was “everyone knows this, tanks discuss what you wanna do” and then we one shot it

Otherwise i was just throwing banter and having a good time

[fossil monolith]

is there a working interrupt tracking addon for m+?

[delicate monolith]

for kicks, do you use mouse over?

[meager totem]

people usually use focus

[pure lion]

https://youtube.com/shorts/vAcbaLFp6OE?si=Fq3_WLvA4T7P1l20

[opaque temple]

im freeee

[opaque widget]

!ui

[ionic forum]

Rogue Guides:
WoWhead: https://www.wowhead.com/classes#rogue
Icy Veins: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/class-guides
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides

[craggy wraith]

if im level 80 and got [Timely Goodie Bag] from the timewalking looted item quest will i get level 90 gear if i dont open [Timely Goodie Bag] until 90?

[zinc lantern]

I don’t think so

[craggy ridge]

almost worth it for queue skip lol

[pliant cloak]

hey guys, can someone help me out

how do i sim masterwork 285 ilvl

wanted to sim with focusing iris but couldnt figure out how to do it

[fringe umbra]

Either press the ilvl window and select 285 (instead of typing)

Or uncheck the seasonal ilvl box

[pliant cloak]

ahh i clicked the myth instead of crafted ilvl

ty!

[trail stream]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[half gust]

How exactly works now Tricks of the trade in m+? is it bugged? all i saw is that i cant pull mobs with it it didnt work like this, just proced cheat death asap 😄

[meager totem]

its not bugged its just how its always worked, you get proximity aggro and they melee you once sometimes before your threat redirects

[half gust]

ok thx for explanation, so best way to use it on trash is asap tank pulls, also ranged trash? - i mean asap they start to move to tank?

[fringe umbra]

As long as you are not in melee range the millisecond they enter combat you're fine

[spark bramble]

hey, maybe a stupid question.. but how can i sim in advanced with and without battle shout? :D I tried it like this and i dont think it works

[mellow pilot]

You can just do 2 Sims and choose to have or not to have battleshout

In the bottom of the sim, in the advanced part

[fringe umbra]

Need to do profilesets for overrides

[spark bramble]

ahh aight, gtk, cheers

[spark bramble]

i know thats its possible this way, but i wanted to have it together to see the % difference without calculating it myself :D

[mellow pilot]

its 5%

[hearty fog]

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spark bramble]

i wanted to sim it for a different class

[elfin marlin]

guys what is best rogue spec to level 10-80? Dung and questing in mind?

[tough swallow]

does not matter much

[lunar python]

I only really play outlaw, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but If I rolled another rogue I’d probably go with one of the other specs for leveling, at least till 60.

Outlaw is a slog starting out.

Granted maybe the others are too, but i just know outlaw really didn’t feel fun till higher levels.

[thin ferry]

whats currently the fastest way to gear a fresh lvl 90 alt with 210 ilv?

[cobalt sierra]

I'm a bit confused about voidcores. If I were to upgrade a 6/6 crafted hero weapon, using the voidcore thingies, can I then recraft it with myth crests to get it to 290+?

[main peak]

is there a way to make silvermoon not fucking orange after campaign without inky black

[torpid harness]

Ngl I can’t wait till we’re almost anywhere else, I’m so tired of silvermoon lmao

[tough swallow]

we are not even 1/3 through the xpac

[torpid harness]

But fuu what if they just blew it up or something

Surely

They can just blow it up right

RIGHT

[tough swallow]

i am all for explosions

https://giphy.com/gifs/this-is-fine-1n4iuWZFnTeN6qvdpD

[torpid harness]

[sour patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10311420692458175149

[upper veldt]

pspspspsps

[steep dock]

https://tenor.com/view/let's-take-a-look-skeleton-skeleton-run-eyes-scientists-reveal-the-secret-gif-2670184264710437109

[sour patrol]

Is the cat the scientist?

Because if so I believe them.

https://tenor.com/view/tanzen-dance-dancing-rave-halloween-gif-17718035202053683053

[junior kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/bellring-waiter-hey-hurry-up-annoyed-gif-8243055483939391380

i want to go back to dalaran

[bold lava]

Hey guys is there any spec in rogue where u can spam a single targetr spell even as aoe example : evisceration ?

I dont like at all the aoe skins spells 🙁

[oak tartan]

No

Outlaw with blade furry and assa with spatter are the closest to that

[delicate monolith]

does it work?

[pure lion]

Don’t know how, but it works pretty well. Especially in combination with the focus mark macro in his other video

Only issue I found is when you need to kick the target you’re on, but you have focus set to another target you wanted to kick that is still alive.

But nothing a separate standalone kick macro doesn’t fix

[near abyss]

having this issue but i don't have those files it seems

but they keep coming back

no matter what i do

[astral path]

anyone do anything goofy with DBM renaming yet?

ive managed to make my weekly 4 alt m chim pug rotation the slightest bit more entertaining

[tough swallow]

Could be related to curseforge cloud backup. Or you are not deleting at the correct place

[near abyss]

mmmmmm true yeah

would it work if i redownloaded WAs and then manually deleted them from the actual addon itself?

[tough swallow]

Yes, you could:

• Delete addon data from the weakaura replacement addon.
• If that does not work, re download weakauras and do the same for it.

[near abyss]

ah redownloading WAs doesn't work

can't even open it

[tough swallow]

Delete addon data in curseforge ofc.

[near abyss]

what i did do is just set everything to never load on m33kauras

that works

[near abyss]

how do you do that?

[tough swallow]

Right click menue should have the option

I can tell you later when i am at the pc

Currently only on phone

[near abyss]

no worries! i'm not as worried anymore since setting all the old stuff to never load works

[neon glen]

Is this file structure the same even if the game is running? I don't use curseforge so I don't know if that's the culprit or it's a mac diff

[near abyss]

uhhh let me see

looks like it yeah

i'm honestly probably just gonna resign to leaving all the old WAs on never load

[neon glen]

keep them around for when they come back in 3 expansions

[near abyss]

LOL true

i'm also enjoying the fact that we're supposed to be in the expac where we don't need to deal with addon bullshit on bosses anymore

and here i am setting up m33kauras for lura

[neon glen]

fight designers didn't entirely get the memo

[near abyss]

dw next tier we get memory game 2.0

a boss with like 20 different portals and you have to figure out which ones to jump in to not wipe the raid

[neon glen]

you will have to open them and match them with the identical one

[static epoch]

close enough
welcome back E7S/Amdapor Keep (Hard)

[tough swallow]

macos uses the same structure

but there are multiple places where addons store data.
WTF/Saved Variables - Usually only used by Blizzard
WTF/Account/Saved Variables - same
WTF/Account/<Account ID>/Saved Variables - Used by addons.
WTF/Account/<Account ID>/<Server Name>/<Character Name>/Saved Variables - Used by addons.
So you typically want to look for Configurations in the latest 2 directories.

e.g. i only have blizz configurations and platynator in the character variables

while the majority of other addon configurations is in the account ones

[tough swallow]

this option in curseforge

[neon glen]

yes but in his screenshot the structure was different

[near abyss]

that didn't work damn

wait lemme see

oh m33kauras isn't even in curseforge

[neon glen]

it still uses the WeakAuras saved variables for the auras themselves (it has its own too but I think for its own settings only)

and it's the auras that cause the explosions

what if you search for WeakAuras.lua in your file system?

[near abyss]

ok i see

[tough swallow]

you can do that, but it should be located in one of the mentioned file paths

[near abyss]

so interestingly enough i DID find a weakauras folder in my files, seems to be gone now

let me try restarting my game

[neon glen]

if you mean your addon folder it should be there (part of m33kauras)

saved variables don't get explicit folders per addon, just either account or character specific variables

[near abyss]

ok got this

[neon glen]

Where are the last two located?

[neon glen]

So you made a backup

[near abyss]

ah ok

[neon glen]

This one does have the proper structure weirdly

Wtf is your game accessing then

[near abyss]

so should i delete the back up right now?

[neon glen]

I don't think the backup matters

The game isn't checking there

But you can delete them, whatever

[near abyss]

yeah can do

[near abyss]

LOL ok they're gone now

holy shit

so that was the problem all along

TYVM FOR YOUR HELP ❤️

[neon glen]

I have no idea why those were used, but glad it worked. F midnight

[compact harness]

Why are the top Rogues pushing as Outlaw and Not sub? Can someone explain ?

[near abyss]

TRUEEE

[near abyss]

more dps

more dps almost always better in keys

[compact harness]

Only more dps in Full phys. comb or in General

[near abyss]

unless you were TWW arcane that did nutty funnel+ST then lower overall was fine

[near abyss]

in general

also outlaw is not as tied to raid buffs as sub

sub kinda hard requires skyfury, outlaw does not

[compact harness]

As Outlaw im struggle in AA so much to keep up

I thought about going sub for this dungeon

[near abyss]

i think overall in AA is kinda a trap

because you have a lot of moments where mondo aoe is not really helping

[ember nest]

in AA you need to kill the bosses

and some mobs in particular

idk if axes still murder people

[hearty fog]

AA has so much prio

you almost dont even cast bladeflurry

[near abyss]

like 1st boss you can be the lowest overall dmg

[ember nest]

but the book pull is very important

[near abyss]

but if you're doing the most boss dmg

you're helping the most

and then the worm pulls after crawth

requires a lot of prio

[compact harness]

Isnt sub bursting most on burst in amp phase

[ember nest]

what amp

[near abyss]

the only place where outlaw's cap is bad is 1st pull

[compact harness]

Bird boss

[ember nest]

it is so tiny

[near abyss]

if you mean crawth, probably out of all the rogue specs

[ember nest]

sub does good st overall

[compact harness]

Ok ok so i just need to improve AA 19 is so hard idk

[ember nest]

but that boss lasts like 3 mins the amp is 7 secs

so yea

[near abyss]

sub's big strength is if you stack haste your ST is really good

if you want to be super ethical in AA you can play sub

and full evis 1st boss

and eagle pulls

and worm pulls

all the small shitters will die to other aoe

the prio targets is the real hp of the pulls

in pulls where the prio target has like 3-4 times the hp of the small shitters, doing super low overall dmg by only evising the prio target means absolutely nothing

[compact harness]

Hmmm ok

Or going assa in this Dungeon ? Idk

[near abyss]

sin is good yeah, high prio

[grave root]

Ele go boom

[compact harness]

ele..

bro we on a rogue discord wtf is ele

[torpid harness]

Rogue with fiery wep

[grave root]

Im bursting around 300k on egg in 20s

Drops down to like 230 after entire duration

I am maxxing out superchargers and afking p1 though

[drifting crown]

I'm progging paladins, what spec of the 3 is best? playing sub atm but unsure if i should go outlaw/assas

[halcyon lagoon]

probably sin

since you can have your dots ticking on all of them

one sub in top 20 - sin and outlaw probably both kinda good - at the end of the day, play what u can execute to the best

overall sin dominating top 100 with presence

probably the more consistent spec on them

[drifting crown]

tyvm, i thought so but thought id double check

[still quarry]

Guys, having played both specs( Assa-Sub), for me the Sub’s st is really strong; I don’t understand why the situation is like this among the top players

[mellow pilot]

Depends on the fights

Some spec are more viable than others, depending on the fight timings, adds, intermissions etc

[subtle steeple]

as a rogue can u lockpick the beams in NPX ???

[hearty fog]

no

[subtle steeple]

my tank is gaslighting me

[hearty fog]

is he playing bfa classic?

[ember nest]

you can actually

need to right click the middle of where the beam is

[hearty fog]

wait what

[rare solar]

Yeah rogue or engi

To turn em off

[hearty fog]

holy shit

[mellow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

[hearty fog]

im spreading misinformation

[rare solar]

Its not that useful unless you want to route around having it

Which no one does

[hearty fog]

it opens up the room

for first pull

we've made our healer go engi to open

[trail matrix]

Which is best spec for raiding

[mellow pilot]

Depends on the fight

All 3 are good

[leaden parcel]

What’t the tech behind making the adds on 3d boss in Skyreach fall to their death on spawn? Had a monk tank do it my last run

[rare solar]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zFeXV0Bjxgg

[leaden parcel]

Thanks
Looked so silly when it happened 🙂

[willow lichen]

how different is assa and outlaw from each other and would i feel bad making two chars per spec instead of dual speccing

[mellow pilot]

Really different

2 characters? I wouldn't recommend it

[willow lichen]

:(

which one is better for pvp

[oblique mantle]

Just play assass and save yourself the outlaw headache

They both use the same stats in PvE so you can go between the two

Assass is much much easier for a new rogue

[static epoch]

aside from outlaw using a non-dagger MH and hating mastery

[oblique mantle]

Yeah, but you could get away with mostly crit haste on both as a dual spec thing

Where as sub you need the mastery

But for someone asking outlaw or assass, I think the answer is assass anyday

If you want them to keep playing rogue that is and ease into it

[surreal geode]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[exotic wolf]

Would yall recommend assassination or outlaw to git gud at and slam higher keys with

Digging both but find myself hopping back and forth

[delicate monolith]

best team comps for assa?

[hearty fog]

the ones that invite you

but probably anything with a shaman

[rare solar]

If you're rogue best friend to have is a resto shaman

[celest echo]

shaman and monk for sure

[sour patrol]

Is there an addon that allows you to appear as a different class in the dungeon finder?

[tough swallow]

nope

[covert dragon]

Yes you can

[covert dragon]

MW better for outlaw

[proud barn]

do bonus rolls still give dupes with different loot spec? i don't remember if i bonus rolled pit as assassination or subtlety D:

idk if there's a way to reconcile that info

[cunning lake]

no

[marsh wagon]

run pit on a 10, mouseover to see what the roll pool looks like before rolling?

[leaden parcel]

The ice falling down during Glacieth in PoS, is that frost or physical damage? Just had a run where I died while cloak was up greeding during the crit phase

[neon glen]

it's frost but it ignores cloak for some reason

[mellow pilot]

It's a giant piece of ice

It is physical ice

https://tenor.com/view/hehehe-ghehe-reptile-laughing-gif-gif-26223253

[plush dune]

I would argue getting crushed by ice is physical damage

[neon glen]

you can still feint it though

[plush dune]

Well yeah if I ever get crushed by a falling object I plan to spin to limit the damage

Thats just common sense

[mellow pilot]

It does make sense

[leaden parcel]

Makes sense fantasy wise but not consistent with the rest of the game 😄

[woeful geyser]

"consistent" and "World of Warcraft" dont go together

[teal chasm]

there is a script to see what loot a dungeon has left for u

[rich meadow]

https://x.com/eonlepidopteran/status/2056782026431230375?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

EL 🍉 (@eonLepidopteran)

got kicked from a dungeon because I paused to watch the cutscene, and now I can't even requeue for half an hour !!!
even more annoying was it was the LAST BOSS so I just wasted an entire dungeon's length of time to get no reward :(

messed up @BlizzardCSEU_EN

X · May 19, 2026, 5:00 PM

I wonder what CS response to this will be lol

[sour patrol]

You Feint or you Faint

[wind hamlet]

How big is the dps difference between "meta" dps like dh or udk and rogue specs? Only doing low key at the moment around +15, but I never really struggled dps wise with these classes.
Is this a skill issue from them or is the gap not that big?

[mellow pilot]

Meta doesn't really mean dps

But a combination of dps + cc + raid buffs + survivability

Rogues can do as much or even better dps than some meta specs, yeah, but what else do we bring?

Dks have ams/amz, grip, bress, aoe cc,p.example (hi @onyx ferry )

Am I missing anything

[noble kestrel]

negating knockback

[wind hamlet]

Sooo they need to change atrophic poison to +10-15% Crit damage from all sources and we'd be fine

[mellow pilot]

Actually, would probably put us in a better state

[final needle]

I have a question... (an an Outlaw) i looted today the umbral plume and put me in the 40% crit soft cap, should i recraft my embelishments to haste vers or change the flask... i dont rlly know

[mellow pilot]

#outlaw

The boys there might be better to help you out

[neon glen]

the answer is you ask the robot anyway

[mellow pilot]

A ninja one?

[hearty fog]

doing their entire dps rotation from range

aoe cc we're arguarbly equal

with blind

[static epoch]

borderline immortality

DKs have like
15% more HP, 15% more phys DR before accounting for talents, silly self-healing, and AMS is essentially a better cloak these days
then talent-wise, there's like...a crapton of small stuff that essentially adds up to something like 20% damage reduction from most things on average

if a DK dies it's legit either their own fault or the healer has been (brain)dead for a minute

[acoustic plaza]

wher is the new afk leveling spot?

[mellow pilot]

The blizzard in game shop

[hearty fog]

arathi highlands

[fervent ibex]

gotta start a quest chain to port to it

[compact harness]

can u rock twice the crafted ring or nah?

[ember nest]

nope

unique 1

[wind hamlet]

Wait what? What is this ?

[fervent ibex]

level boosting method, not solo afk leveling

[rich meadow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/heroic-world-tier-quest-awards-myth-track-gear-in-patch-12-0-7-381677

Mythic gear from open world content is kinda crazy

[noble kestrel]

It'll be a single item out of a chocie of 3, and probably after a few weeks of doing the content. Seems neat, though.

[rich meadow]

Swimming in mythic gear with bonus rolls this season too

[noble kestrel]

Yeah, Myth gear has never been this accessible, which is neat.

[mellow pilot]

W for casuals

W for new raiders

Whatever for the rest of us

[rare solar]

Cool bc u dont gotta pray for vault every week to finally get good trinket or weapon

[golden moon]

Hi, new to rogue here. For ‘low” m+ say lvl 10-14 is it better to play sub or outlaw?
I felt in some +10 that mobs die so fast, you get more out of sub burst window than outlaw. But im still low geared. Need to decide what spec to aim for duo to bonus rolls etc

[mellow pilot]

Both are good, outlaw requires a certain comp to work really well, sub just vibes

[golden moon]

And on like the 2nd boss (council) in Seat, do you spam black powder or eviscerate?

[mellow pilot]

I've been spamming BP since it's 3 targets

But I'm doing between 10s and 14s, don't think it matters

[trail matrix]

whats more expensive, herbs or mines

[craggy ridge]

how many mythic crests does a mythic raid boss drop?

[oak tartan]

10

The endbosses a little more

[craggy ridge]

thanks!

[near flint]

Does anyone know if we can still get catalysts to transmog old raid pieces? (like DF pieces to tier)

[sterile mica]

old catalysts have infinite charges

[near flint]

Great, thanks

[novel cipher]

Previous seasons period. Keep your myth track s1 gear for free catalyst tmog when s2 starts / you replace gear

Especially for off slot pieces like bracer

You can also 6/6 heroic pieces for the mythic track appearances for like 60g

It's one of the systems that I'm willing to actually thank and congratulate blizzard for implementing. One of the tragically few lately

[obsidian hedge]

oh that's quite nice to know

[dense wagon]

How do you guys best use stuns in high keys, outside of stopping casts that you can't kick or have no kick for

[wraith leaf]

Good afternoon everyone, which rogue spec is easier right now, Subtlety or Assassination?

[sterile mica]

Kidney is really good on the adepts in skyreach that apply the stacking tank bleed. Generally outside of stopping casts you’d mainly stun to help your tank if there are stunnable mobs that do very high tank damage. It’s not generally super common to have to do it though because most tanks are prepared for the pull without accounting for an extra stun

[dense wagon]

Okay sweet. I'll ask my tank buddies if they know of other mobs they'd want stunned. Thank you dude

[sour panther]

Sub

[delicate monolith]

hello! what addon are you using to upload logs? just discovered the page (warcraft logs) and mine is empty haha

[modern copper]

Easiest way is use the archon.gg app. Just make sure you have the advanced combat logging option turned on in your settings in game.

[rain portal]

I would like to better understand on how to understand my rogues stats better

[mellow pilot]

Sub: get 700 haste, then crit and mastery and thats it. Ilvl is king

Outlaw: not a real rogue spec, no idea

Assassination: ilvl is king

For all 3 just simulate the items you have

[fair turret]

Been running my own keys, first time getting skyreach and it’s a +16, how screwed am I?

[next axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-gif-5856132292464427549

[rich meadow]

[strange rivet]

are sporefall's items no longer random stats on ptr anymore?

[fringe umbra]

Ye seems like they changed it

[strange rivet]

[fringe umbra]

Tbf random stat would feel ass with the bonus rolls

You roll a ring with stats you dont want, then you need to get through all the other items before you can roll it again

[strange rivet]

But with fixed stats, there's no point farming those rings and necklaces anymore

ring maybe still fine

[fringe umbra]

Unlucky pirate issue

[strange rivet]

it's like losing several iLvls.
Not that it really matters though.

[restive sorrel]

Sorry to ask this here, i was gonna ask in the devourer discord but its shut.

Is there any reason my trinket isnt working on this macro

#showtooltip Void Metamorphosis
/use 13
/cast Void Metamorphosis

[austere tartan]

what trinket is it?

[restive sorrel]

valegor's final stare

[austere tartan]

and also, what slot is that trinket in?

[restive sorrel]

13

[austere tartan]

yeah, but top or bottom trinket slot

[restive sorrel]

top

[austere tartan]

I know it's a silly question, but I have to double check 😛

[restive sorrel]

yea allgood

like it sometimes works and sometimes doesnt

[austere tartan]

when do you notice it not working?

[restive sorrel]

when im in meta and cast collapsing star i think

but its the same button so

[austere tartan]

because it might just be a thing of it being on cooldown for just a bit since void meta doesn't have a real cooldown

[restive sorrel]

na it just doesnt seem to go off

the button for going into void meta and collapsing star are the same button

[austere tartan]

a clip would probably be most useful here tbh

[restive sorrel]

Ill try

[austere tartan]

I would suggest just having a separate keybind for your on use though, especially on dev the flexibility can be pretty nice

[restive sorrel]

I do yea, i was just wondering why its not workn

[glad harness]

What happens if you swap the lines so trinket appears after void meta

Because Im assuming star wont cast because your trinket is on cooldown and thus not moving onwards in the macro

[restive sorrel]

It’s not like conditional like that as far as I’m aware, it just tries to cast everything at once

[glad harness]

Sure, but try it anyways because spaghetti

[restive sorrel]

I can void/meta with the trinket on cd

[glad harness]

I understood that you can voidmeta with the trinket on cd, but I thought you said earlier your issue was that its not casting star

[restive sorrel]

na its not casting the trinket sometimes

[knotty vigil]

you might simply need to double cast the macro for it, some spells are a bit wonky

[austere tartan]

pretty sure that definitely fucks up because void meta is an annoying ass ability that doesn't allow you to do any actions because they just copied havoc meta, but without the jump

[glad harness]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-gif-24457079

[knotty vigil]

at what key level does assa start to feel better than sub??
atm it feels like everything dies too fast for assa 😛
(Currently in 13s)

[sterile mica]

I don’t think there’s a key level where assa starts to feel “better” than sub. Both specs are quite decent right now all the way up to the highest key levels. If you enjoy assa more than sub, you’d be better off playing it even in keys where stuff dies a little too fast because you’ll have more fun and continue improving on the spec you want to play long term

[knotty vigil]

thats fair, i used to like it a lot more BUT i felt like i couldnt get as much dmg with it, while sub feels like press cd and pew pew and ur fine 😄

[mystic eagle]

guys I made a guide - where can I send it here - or there is no channel for promotions? Sorry to bother

[mellow pilot]

We have guides

!guides

[ionic forum]

Rogue Guides:
WoWhead: https://www.wowhead.com/classes#rogue
Icy Veins: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/class-guides
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides

[mellow pilot]

And yeah, no self promotion in this server. I'd say the best place for your guide would be YouTube, since we don't even know what it is about

[gentle prism]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[edgy nimbus]

my honest reaction to "phys comp" in LFG
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1373986976235262012/1506975867031523460/RDT_20260521_1303108876732653479087749.jpg?ex=6a103824&is=6a0ee6a4&hm=4cb11bd32f476f5936dc3f316246b0d83206f8f53575dbdea3653f6dec44b142&=&format=webp&width=877&height=1320

[rare solar]

i love seeing 'phys comp only feral' while they already have a guardian and could just also grab a hunter

[edgy nimbus]

and always

a warrior that does negative damage

[mystic eagle]

Very fair boss! Thanks and sorry for bothering!

[woeful geyser]

"phys comp" and they have a unholy dk

"phys comp" is legit one of the biggest buzzwords in the game rn, its so funny

[sterile mica]

People just refer to any attack power based comp as phys comp because it has most of the same parts

[fierce forge]

Is chaos dmg phys eligible?

[fringe umbra]

Dont think so

[novel cipher]

I think chaos is just several (all?) magic schools

[neon glen]

phys comp = physics competition. It's just a group of nerds

[glossy flicker]

some chaos yes, some chaos no

chaos is always all magic schools, but certain havoc spells include physical as a spell school as well

while others do not

essence break for ex. includes phys (and benefits more from monk buff than dh's own buff), eye beam is regular magic chaos (technically the magic chaos doesnt include holy as a school as well for whatever reason)

on havoc logs for example the magic version is the rainbowy color and is sometimes called "chromatic" damage/chaos, the purple bars include phys

funnily enough ruination for warlocks is the phys version so they gain dps from monk buff, even as destro

[slate zealot]

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lunar python]

I really should learn the other rogue specs…

[mellow pilot]

Today sounds like an awesome time to start

[plush dune]

Tomorrow is better

[clear geyser]

Wonder if blizzard will try to find a way to make split runs less insane

Even non famed guilds do a run now

[proud jackal]

making a rogue alt here, best spec for m+?

[upper veldt]

the one you like the most

[halcyon lagoon]

follow the arrow still the fastest method besides earthen exploit?

[mellow pilot]

Probably

[abstract island]

#wow-general

[abstract island]

Delve: Shadow Guard Point, story: Calamitous

Is up every 3 days

[rare solar]

They cant do it i think, or at least not in ways that would negatively impact everyone else playing the game

[brisk sapphire]

no

because it bumps up their metrics for playtime

and the casuals arent complaining about it

[rare solar]

how would u fix it

[brisk sapphire]

there are a few different ways you could approach it

you could make loot a choice instead or random like final fantasy does it

sure this removes the rng and dopamine factor

but id argue most of the dopamine is lost by split 17

or you could make it 1 mythic lockout per account/per session/per xxx

or you could kill trading entirely

which would really suck

but it would prevent top guilds from recruiting helpers to fill out the rosters

theyd have to do it all with characters that would see raiding

but i think the best solution is to remove the loot rng

all the others kinda just make it "harder" to make splits work

and these guilds will go through hell to maximise their chances of getting better loot

[rare solar]

yeah obv

i think they should have something similar to the current rolls permanently

like let it give Myth track from M+ after 2 months or whatever

but i also think the trinket balance in particular is so bad every season

having myth gaze early is insane

[brisk sapphire]

at the end of the day the systems are how they are because theyre too lazy to fix it

they could split up gear into m+/raid sets like they did for pvp

and make gear chosen beforehand

on paper it sounds bad cause of how different it would be

[rare solar]

Or because there is no good way to only fix the problem without creating new ones

[brisk sapphire]

but id argue that it would be more fun because you could spend more time progressing bosses

the fact that guilds dont rly go into mythic day one of mythic week is crazy to me

you could also then implement something to incentivise reclears on other classes

which could then let people reclear but as "progression" multiple times

which, imo, is the more fun part of raiding anyway

[rare solar]

Not without making leveling and maintaining multiple characters a lot easier

[brisk sapphire]

farm is just ass

[brisk sapphire]

thats the thing though

maintaining wouldnt really be a thing

if gear would be bought

all you'd have to worry about would be leveling and consumeables

and you could do leveling as a guild

it could be a genuinely fun activity to do as a group

prepping for your next clear

[weary parcel]

anyone here use Details addon ? tryin to figure out the macro/script for auto report dps in /say

[coarse shale]

Hey folks, stepping back into my Rogue alt for a bit and I used to be an Outlaw player. A few things I've read are pointing towards Subtlety as the go-to for right now, does that line up about right?

[meager totem]

outlaw is the best m+ spec and in raid all 3 are decent

[coarse shale]

Got it, thanks! we have no other Rogue right now so we're trying to make sure we get the benefits of having one around, is that debuff something all 3 specs provide or something specific to Sub or Assn with the poison application vs Outlaw?

[mellow pilot]

All 3 specs have a poison that has damage reduction

Other than that they just deal dmg

[fringe umbra]

Also fwiw outlaw isnt much better than the other specs in m+, debatable if it even is better at all. All 3 are pretty solid.

But yes all specs provide the same utility

[meager totem]

you think sub matches outlaw in 22s?

data is lacking for sure so I cant really say one way or another

21 resil yeah you can get on all 3 specs

or however you feel about academy/seat

[fringe umbra]

Theres a lot more outlaw "onetricks" playing high keys than there are of the other specs, but yeah i think both sub and assa can do similar numbers in most keys.

Or atleast close enough that you are probably better of playing the spec you are good at/more comfortable on than swapping to outlaw

[meager totem]

yeah Im aware and it feels like its so hard to explain that to my friends sometimes lol

yeah sorry guys even if I played outlaw (I dont want to), im not going to do 80% of dps zac does ok

[fringe umbra]

But also if you arent playing with a shaman, playing sub is gonna feel ass

for fun

[meager totem]

yeah I make sure to always play with sham

[fringe umbra]

We love raidbuffs

[meager totem]

unless im in elo hell pug queue sometimes ill take warr monk

[rare solar]

Also if people are asking for advice on which spec to play they're most likely not gonna hop into 22s very quickly

[meager totem]

sure but they said they played outlaw so I just said its still pretty good

I guess saying its the best rogue spec in m+ might not be 100% accurate but all 3 specs should be within less than 1 key difference

[fringe umbra]

Stupid french outlaw rogues muddying the data every season by playing so well, smh my head

[meager totem]

I do often feel like im griefing the key by pressing bp on so many packs in so many dungeons

but I cant tell where its correct

"prio target" but bro has 15-20 mil hp

[coarse shale]

It's me! 😄

[next axle]

@zealous halo

[coarse shale]

are the Wowhead per-boss specs still the recommended for the raid or is there another resource I should go off of?

[zealous halo]

sorry

[hearty fog]

I HAVE BEEN LINKED TOMELVIS BY 3 SEPARATE GUILDIES THIS EXPANSION GOING "hey found this outlaw log for X" and questioning why i'm not playing outlaw

fuck you @zealous halo

[zealous halo]

get owned noob

why you not playing outlaw

[hearty fog]

im playing it now

i hate you

[zealous halo]

why tho

im not even sure its the best rogue spec

[grizzled jackal]

Sub? 👀

[hearty fog]

don't want to play assi

i rather be a subpar outlaw rogue than an above average assi rogue

[zealous halo]

what about sub tho

i was thinking sub rather than sin

[hearty fog]

idk no prio kinda pain

but i kinda went AA -> seat -> MC

and there's so many prio mobs in those packs

[grizzled jackal]

Really good st with great aoe burst

[hearty fog]

in those dungeons

i was tempted to port out for seat though

and swap sub last boss

[meager totem]

I saw zac do that once!

[hearty fog]

tomelvis strikes again

hey i saw this rogue doing seat as outlaw for the entire dungeon except he swapped to sub for the last boss

[zealous halo]

[hearty fog]

acutally i kinda got karma'd in seat for swapping to outlaw

got double backstab into aoe from the first void portal pack

game punished me for abandoning sub

[zealous halo]

sub way tankier than outlaw this season

you wouldnt have died

[glossy flicker]

its giga free

i forgor and used my port once and had to hearth to silvermoon instead, have an eternal load screen because exboss is using 80% of my cpu , get double warlock summoned back to dungeon and i was only like 2s late to boss spawning

[hearty fog]

also if i got a singular heal

[hearty fog]

no warlock summon tech anymore, melee zug comp

is it just

as soon as boss dies

use portal?

and walk back inside

[glossy flicker]

ye

[hearty fog]

where does it send you when you go back inside

[glossy flicker]

3rd boss room

[hearty fog]

oh yeah giga free

[glossy flicker]

if you have port you're there like 20 seconds early

[hearty fog]

enough time to stack a shadow dance then

[glossy flicker]

im not sure why high groups arent doing it tbh

[hearty fog]

wym, i saw tomelvis do it

[glossy flicker]

well ye i expect rogue players to do it..

very smart guys here

but like unholy gains a ton

once i get a duplicate of my main weapon i can full swap frost and giga burst the amp

[hearty fog]

do you play as frost for the key then swap unholy for last?

or opposite

[glossy flicker]

frost is terrible in dungeons im ngl

you play udk perma and then in theory swap frost for last

[hearty fog]

my DK was saying something about frost for nexus

since it lines up for amp

[glossy flicker]

frost and unholy have the exact same cd timers

they are both 45/90

[hearty fog]

ah

[glossy flicker]

frost burst is a bit better

but they are also both burst specs

[hearty fog]

[glossy flicker]

the problem with swapping for seat boss is you need to change your runeforge

and porting to acherus running down and changing weapon thing then porting back takes a bit longer

[hearty fog]

quick port to ebon hold

just a cheeky rune forge

[glossy flicker]

once i get a second identical weapon I will just hotswap them outside when i swap specs

itll be giga tech

[fringe umbra]

Idk people saying this, but sub has completely fine prio. Sure its not as amazing as assassination but its absolutely not bad

[hearty fog]

think it's playable even in AA?

just press evis on the bird pack x2 and the leaper?

[fringe umbra]

On birds yeah but leaper kinda dies at the same time as everything else anyway

[glossy flicker]

if you're playing with arms feral dont they do enough prio for the group already?

[hearty fog]

fury UHDK

[glossy flicker]

i mean udk has insane funnel burst

in cds

[hearty fog]

ye true

[zealous halo]

you would raterh do aoe in ravager packs

than prio

just chain the guy

tank can bait all the leaps on him

so the mob does nothing

[hearty fog]

[zealous halo]

it jumps on the furthest guy

[glossy flicker]

dk can also eat it with ams very often

[zealous halo]

so if everyone is under the mob

and tank max melee range

or any dps that has meld

can just bait them perma

im much more scared of foragers lol

if you die in academy its gonna be from foragers

so

press bp maybe

[hearty fog]

https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-27554873

[fringe umbra]

Just dodge

Natty dodge em

[zealous halo]

i thoguht you meant

like

dodge them with wasd

but you mean parry them

[fringe umbra]

Yeah

[zealous halo]

ye easy enough

[fringe umbra]

Its like a 20% chance

Ez

[hearty fog]

isn't it phys?

[zealous halo]

i dont think so you can cloak it

[hearty fog]

wtf

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=196671/vicious-ravager#abilities;mode:normal

[zealous halo]

maybe the initial hit is physical idk

[hearty fog]

thanks blizzard

great tooltips as always

[zealous halo]

can cloak the dot away tho

i think the initial is also cloak but idk i dont remember

the dot is the issue anywya

[hearty fog]

ye

DK just do DK things

okay ty for adv

i am now sleep

too much p*shing

tyty

gn

[glossy flicker]

you can eat every 2nd or 3rd one or something

I didn’t look at exact timer

I think ams meld ams works for first 3

[pale sleet]

is human rogue even a thing now or is it just inting ?

was thinking of making a casual human rogue alt as it is easy to get high end ilevel now

[thorn flower]

Of all rogue specs which do yall recommend starting with or getting back into?

for pve only content

[mellow pilot]

sub

[thorn flower]

regardless how they are

[mellow pilot]

does human look good to you?

[thorn flower]

I was thinking that one lol

[mellow pilot]

Its probably the easiest spec in the game

[thorn flower]

or one of the easiest prob

[pale sleet]

++

and badlands set would only work on that

[mellow pilot]

Every set works on humans, they are probably still used as the placeholder for all the sets

[limpid needle]

Dwarf or Nelf for keys lads

[mellow pilot]

Oh right the ... 0.1% where it matters

forgot about those guys

[limpid needle]

Dwarf it is

Thanks for the help

[mellow pilot]

Looking like shit is never worth it

[limpid needle]

Deviate delight lad

We gamble pirate or ninja since shadowlands

[mellow pilot]

looking like shit v2

[limpid needle]

Alrighty

Solid vibe

[keen lily]

looking for an addon that would give me a warning when a cooldown reaches a certain point of time

[stuck birch]

Is there anyway to farm the ascended reputation fast ?

[next axle]

You wouldnt be lookin for an unfair advantage now would you ?

[keen lily]

What?

[next axle]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-dont-get-it-gif-7962556574843576309

[keen lily]

I just don’t know the joke

[frail moat]

Anyone here use exboss and have a profile i can import?

[iron wharf]

Should I main focus ret for higher damage in the 3 pally fight? For the damage debuff.

[frank prairie]

why every time I see announce in #rogue-streamers they actually play other class?

[mellow pilot]

other classes are funnier

and those players are/were Rogue players

[kindred verge]

anyone know when the buffs to leveling is coming, something about buffing delve quest xp and weeklies

[bright otter]

probably next patch

[tough swallow]

12.0.7

[obsidian hedge]

expected June 16 hooooly shit

[sour patrol]

Are the DF raids soloable on Mythic yet?

[steep dock]

Havent tried amirdrassil yet,done the others as rogue

[sour patrol]

I might just see what's up.
Shame my Druid isn't 90.

[steep dock]

avoid stuff on scalecommander,its still very 1 shot

[sour patrol]

Oh yeah, ugh

[mellow pilot]

Amidrassil is soloable

did it last week

mythic

[steep dock]

ah, gonna do that next reset then

[sour patrol]

Five Seals from Diurna

Easy peesy

Diurna was annoying, having to wait for the eggs to hatch so she stops having the buff

Now for Abberus

[steep dock]

ye its just time consuming

I did sylvanas today and got stuck on 1 phase cause she went to 1%

Atleast the ledge is short with a deadly drop

[steep dock]

avoid bad looking stuff in scale

[sour patrol]

Saw what you mean

Died to the punctures a lot

why am i constantly falling through the platform

[steep dock]

you gotta pay attention for abit ig

cause dying is bad

usually

[sour patrol]

The punctures were the big thing that got me, nothing else felt dangerous

Tried to do the achievement on Experiments but the debuff stacking was painful

[novel cipher]

There's part of that one moonkins eating shit compilation of gifs that has one dying to that one moment

[sour patrol]

Did anyone else see the theory that Astalor is actually Denathrius?

• Sepulcher has us fight prototypes of the Pantheon
• they're simply empty vessels
• this implies that vessels can be made in the Sepulcher
• later we fight the Dreadlords in that raid
• what if they had succeeded in making a vessel for Denathrius and were simply distracting you as he made his escape

We collect red substance for Astalor that strongly resembles Anima, and he acts and speaks similarly to Sire.

[noble kestrel]

I hope so because it'd be the funniest reveal of "It's actually ME. SIRE DENATHRIUS"

and everyone just goes "yeah we know"

"you gave us prizes."

[woeful geyser]

astalor literally exists since TBC mate

and always acted like that

he was the guy that had the "lets drain a Naru for Light energy" idea

[clear geyser]

"kill for me" would hit way harder with denny VA tho

[static epoch]

Astalor's characterization was pretty consistent yeah
guy was always a bit crazy when it came to power sources
altho it's funny that early lore tends to portray him as more mild-mannered and soft-spoken, now he's basically a pain vampire

[plush dune]

astalor has always been a dick

[clear geyser]

insane ego on that guy

lol

[ember nest]

he is a successful mad sciencist

[faint river]

no remornia

[sour patrol]

What if that Astalor was a Dreadlord all along and there never was an actual Astalor?
Except now there is one and it's secretly Sire.

[proud raft]

can the new sporefused item be converted into tier set?

[rare solar]

yeah

[tough swallow]

probably yes, don't think there was any public comment on it

[blazing plume]

anyone know where the undermine lfr npc is?

this is the first time i need to farm a lfr mog

and i know its usually done with some sorta npc for old xpacs but i have no clue where they r supposed to be

[bright otter]

there is none yet

next expack after they make tww legacy content

[blazing plume]

yea

i found out

this is disgusting btw

[bright otter]

it's normal

[blazing plume]

means lfr mogs are genuinely unavailabile

[frosty grail]

i guess you can grab nhc set

[blazing plume]

i want the yellow lfr ones tho

[bright otter]

just join mythic pugs

[frosty grail]

that should auto complete lfr

[blazing plume]

even for weapons?

[bright otter]

no

[blazing plume]

i want lfr sword and shield

well

[frosty grail]

if you have a full set alllesser versions get completet too

[blazing plume]

thats a dogshit system then

[bright otter]

then you wait till tlt

[blazing plume]

yea

[frosty grail]

ah yeah weps is rough

[bright otter]

always been this way since I'm playing

[blazing plume]

system that only blizzard could have cooked up

ok

i dont care

2nd time someone says its always been like this

i can walk into normal hero myth and farm mogs

why can i not walk into lfr

do u not see how silly it is

[bright otter]

be glad you can complete the highest mog on any char to complete all sets

[blazing plume]

i guess yea

[bright otter]

we didint have that

[blazing plume]

with blizzard we should be glad we get the bare minimum

[bright otter]

had to mog farm on my dk to get it's mogs

and that sucks

slow as fck class

[rare solar]

Undermine lfr you can grab siren isle gear and catalyze it iirc

[mellow pilot]

thats still S1 iirc

[rare solar]

yeah it's S1 i checked

F

[frosty grail]

world quests all drop s3? gotta be some way to get s2 loot

[mellow pilot]

IIRC just raid

[blazing plume]

i need weapon/shield anyway so this wouldn't work sadly

[fair turret]

Does anybody know if there’s a way to show on raidbots if it’s more effective to use my mythic crests to craft a new piece, or to upgrade the 1/6 mythic pieces I have instead?

[mellow pilot]

You can add the item you were thinking to craft to the sim

[turbid heron]

On top gear you can add the amount of crests you have or if you pasted the simc script it will have it already

So you'd sim with the caveat of having x amount of crests and it'll tell you the best upgrades for your crests

[fair turret]

Ty, messing with it now!

Damn, I feel so behind on this raidbots thing lol

is this thing telling me to upgrade the rings?

[torpid harness]

It's telling you one of your ring enchants is not max rank

I think

But I wouldn't use mythic crests to craft anything if you already got dagger crafted

Since at this point you can just voidcore roll for mythic track items

[turbid heron]

It is but also the upgrade is within margin of error so its a placebo upgrade kind of

[willow lodge]

What's the best race for doing all content? Outside of having a rogue for PvP (Nelf/Orc) and one for PvE (Dwarf) is Nelf probably just the safest for everything? Racials don't really matter in raid 99.9% of the time

[mellow pilot]

And you think they matter outside of that?

The best race is the one that you think looks the best lol

[turbid heron]

agreed

velf 📈

[willow lodge]

Awesome advice, thanks for the input

[fair turret]

true, most racials don't matter, but personally, I have saved myself from wiping many a raid/mythic groups with the void elf blink ability

[woeful geyser]

🦊

[fair turret]

like in spire, if there aren't enough arrows close by, you can just velf port to the other side of the windwave and not take any damage.

Or across the lasers at the end of magisters terrace, if you've got a bad group or downed player that won't soak on that boss

[woeful geyser]

thats like

giga stupid lol