then bench
#wow-general
hearty fog
soft cipher
What specc is best in m+ high Keys , without an AUG
sour patrol
half my guild group on the first add on Heroic Crown
Also we decided to go kill Belo'ren for trinkets
On Normal
We didn't 1-phase the egg
And then we wiped
chrome timber
guys myth puzzle or guidon hero ?
cold grove
guys myth puzzle or guidon hero ?
shy temple
halcyon lagoon
hey - I still got an old lvl 73 rogue from last xpac sitting around, whats the fastest grind to 90 rn if you already got a main 90?
fervent ibex
hey - I still got an old lvl 73 rogue from last xpac sitting around, whats the f...
can use the addon Follow The Arrow for 80->90
the fastest way to get to 80 is likely just the war within delves or something
fervent ibex
blizz needs to fix leveling
I can’t really speak to 1-80 as I haven’t done that this expansion
But 80-90 seems fine
halcyon lagoon
and for 70->80 ? I dont wanna do quests? do I have to if my main completed the story?
fervent ibex
The first character takes a while because you have to do the entire campaign etc
fervent ibex
But after that it’s a breeze
meager totem
70-80 xp is alredy nerfed by like 70%
gentle frigate
shouldnt be more than an hour to get 80-90
fervent ibex
and for 70->80 ? I dont wanna do quests? do I have to if my main completed the s...
Just do The War Within delves like I said earlier
fervent ibex
shouldnt be more than an hour to get 80-90
Idk that sounds kinda cope to me
2-3hr isn’t that bad
halcyon lagoon
I am fine with spamming delves straight to 90 tbh
ruby linden
Failing to see the issue
fervent ibex
I am fine with spamming delves straight to 90 tbh
I wouldn’t
just gotta trust me and use the Follow The Arrow addon for 80-90
it will take you through all of the fastest methods
gentle frigate
prepatch was the best leveling
after 3-4 weeks expansion launch leveling alts should be that fast
2-3 hours is pain
ruby linden
Thought timewalking was decent pace as well
gentle frigate
thats only IF you follow an addon if you dungeon level it takes ages
gentle frigate
Thought timewalking was decent pace as well
timewalking was ass
it was 4-5 dungeons per level
fervent ibex
thats only IF you follow an addon if you dungeon level it takes ages
shadowguard is pretty quick as well
gentle frigate
should be 10-20 dungeons max to 90
glad harness
2-3 hours is pain
Megacope
gentle frigate
i hate leveling
mellow pilot
Pay someone to level you
ruby linden
You can pay blizzard to actually
halcyon lagoon
id rather use a 80 boost and skip 70-80 then grind delves as I need some gear anyway
fervent ibex
id rather use a 80 boost and skip 70-80 then grind delves as I need some gear an...
leveling gear is useless, quests will reward you leveling gear
meager totem
they didnt the current best method is just not very good
gentle frigate
legit midnight is the worst leveling experience in wows history
inland gale
Wrong
glad harness
Very wrong lmao
fervent ibex
halcyon lagoon
doesnt playing delves with alts also push your renown? I still need that lvl 9 for hero gear
gentle frigate
campaign made me want to uninstall myself irl
fervent ibex
doesnt playing delves with alts also push your renown? I still need that lvl 9 f...
The addon will take you through 1 of every delve for the delvers call quests anyway
But you do you I guess
halcyon lagoon
ok I get it I will use that thing
fervent ibex
When did they get rid of people power leveling?
It’s not that they got rid of it. The only power leveling available right now is you self playing through dungeons, paying 4 boosters 1M for 80-90 and still taking many hours
You can still get power leveled 1-80 at siren isles
mellow pilot
Ok ok thanks for letting me know 🙂
ruby linden
I’m glad I levelled some in lemix
halcyon lagoon
I have that "catchup" thing available on my rogue, that any good?
fervent ibex
its kinda w/e
will give you some greens based on your level, likely worse than what you've got on but worth a shot
halcyon lagoon
k ty
fervent ibex
around 88
the addon will tell you when
depends slightly on your warband bonus xp
but 88->90 is basically all done by delvers call turn ins and first time crafts
mellow pilot
https://www.wowhead.com/item=250319/researchers-shadowgraft#comments
I didn't until now, it looks cool, I love the big ass halo behind you and the shadow form
fervent ibex
its a 1hr buff on a 50min CD as well
mellow pilot
From what I've read, unfortunately it doesn't persist through death
grave root
It’s not that they got rid of it. The only power leveling available right now is...
Has speedrun routes for lvling
fervent ibex
Has speedrun routes for lvling
bruh
grave root
Deadass is worth looking into timewalkings with df buff were the fastest way to lvl anyways
fervent ibex
Didnt scroll up<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
ruby ridge
best raid buff reminder addon for poisons flasks ect?
zinc fox
best raid buff reminder addon for poisons flasks ect?
clickable raid buffs by funki imo
ruby ridge
clickable raid buffs by funki imo
ty so much
ruby ridge
goated just installed and exactly what i needed
analog ridge
Anyone know why it doesnt say Overall on 2nd window next to "Damage Done" it did before tho...
tough swallow
best raid buff reminder addon for poisons flasks ect?
ruby ridge
i use https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/buffreminders
tysm
formal falcon
Do you know guys how much % heal difference between the 2 heroic talent of priest disc ?
shut spade
Are crests usually uncapped at 0.5?
static epoch
usually, yes
halcyon lagoon
whats the drop chance on flux once u get 4p ?
static epoch
idk it's pretty random
but I did maybe 20 runs in the last week, all with catalyst already unlocked, and looted 3
halcyon lagoon
seems ok
nova trench
whats the drop chance on flux once u get 4p ?
Entirely random, the tank I do everything with has seen one while I've catalized a full PvP set already and gotten the full Hero track transmog and am currently sitting on 3 charges.
near flint
Which swords are the ones being used as the discord icon?
dry quarry
Hey quick question for a new rogue, is there something optimal to learn first or is any of them okay
tiny bison
should we use our hero crest to save mythic crests ? aka upgrade an item 6/6 hero so we get 2/6 myth or better to use the hero crest to push more total item lvl ?
gritty bridge
Is there more class tuning?
mellow pilot
Hey quick question for a new rogue, is there something optimal to learn first or...
You mean spec? They are different and do different things. Just pick whatever poison flavor you prefer first
mellow pilot
should we use our hero crest to save mythic crests ? aka upgrade an item 6/6 her...
Doing that saves you crests eventually, and saving myth crests is, to me, more useful than using hero crests for ilvl.
I see more value in 20 myth crests (2 +10s(?)) than 20 hero crests, which can be easily farmed in raid or lower m+
half gust
How exactly pls work Tricks of the Trade?
I put it on tank while he takes m+ mobs and i start asap dmg, but some mobs start to attack me instead of tank..
green summit
Is it only the first attack after applying?
proper siren
need your help guys when i use blackpowder coup de grace macro it doesnt work sometimes it casts blackpowder when coup is ready help
meager totem
put the macro on your stealth bar
vagrant terrace
witch class do u think now is better assa or sub in m+ ?
light canyon
Their class color is yellow I’m not here to argue
All three of us are piss names in unison
torpid harness
I think the number one rogue in m+ is an dev dh
unreal gulch
I think the number one rogue in m+ is outlaw tbh
Relevancy of currently highest rated spec aside, especially with sin buffs being out for less than a day relatively speaking, there is also a sub with the same score
inland gale
Relevancy of currently highest rated spec aside, especially with sin buffs being...
yeah im just trying to give the perspective it doesnt matter
gloomy wagon
were the assa buffs enough to make it better then sub ?
novel cipher
debatable. all three specs are about equal now unless I'm wrong
gloomy wagon
so its not worth trying to swap off sub for assa
inland gale
If you like assa more you could play it. But if you like sub it’s fine to stay as that
dry quarry
You mean spec? They are different and do different things. Just pick whatever po...
Thank you maybe ill start by learning sin then I think thats an important one to learn
torn swift
hey. we are only capped on embellished craft items right ? i can wear more crafted gear
haughty kelp
this expansion is so good its making me want to do the meta achieve for it
charred pawn
someone has the other discord for shaman ?
mellow pilot
earthshrine?
zinc fox
What is the reason y'all play rogue? Do you play it out of fun? Do you play it because you always did? Is it because you once joined a guild and now they wont let you reroll? I'm in an existential crisis right now and dont feel like i want to log in anymore.
inland gale
If I had a dime for every time I had an existential crisis would it even matter?
unreal gulch
What is the reason y'all play rogue? Do you play it out of fun? Do you play it b...
Because I always did, because its fun to me and because its always the type of class I play
No matter the game
static epoch
What is the reason y'all play rogue? Do you play it out of fun? Do you play it b...
bc I let myself get caught up in the game and there are only two good (flavour-wise) classes in it, which Rogue happens to be one of
unreal gulch
Just identifying as a rogue
static epoch
though ngl, this season's been kicking all of the desire to play (not Rogue in particular, but just the game) outta me
static epoch
voidspire's the worst raid I've seen in a while
Nerubar was just decent
Undermine missed some opportunities but it was genuinely quite fun
MFO at least had some spectacle on its side even if some fights were boring
voidspire is 1) basically MFO again in terms of style/colors/general thematics 2) horrendously designed IMO 3) not impressive in any way
hearty fog
What is the reason y'all play rogue? Do you play it out of fun? Do you play it b...
because i was a shitty edgelord world pvper when i first started playing wow and now i am emotionally attached to my char
if i could mentally not main rogue I would
static epoch
ngl if FFXIV unfucks itself in 8.0 even half as much as I want it to
I'll drop WoW in a heartbeat
despite the fact that all my friends are playing WoW and very few would even try FFXIV
noble kestrel
despite the fact that all my friends are playing WoW and very few would even try...
Just link them the sickass songs until they do imo
static epoch
Just link them the sickass songs until they do imo
unfortunately they are not wired that way
(I am)
unreal gulch
Nerubar was just decent
Undermine missed some opportunities but it was genuinely...
Ngl tww probably was the worst expansion as far as raids go for me
static epoch
back in ARR when Shiva P2 started up I thought it was fuckin' insane, they thought it was kinda cringe
noble kestrel
What is the reason y'all play rogue? Do you play it out of fun? Do you play it b...
It's what I rolled 16 years ago when I started and I've always been a fan of the whole archetype in games. Then I played it non-stop for so much that I never swapped. I'm not a big alt player too and now I have far too much /played and investment on the character that is me to ever swap. I like Rogue a lot in WoW though.
static epoch
Ngl tww probably was the worst expansion as far as raids go for me <:garf:132017...
eh, I just stopped feeling good about raiding in general a while ago
keys are legitimately better content for a group of friends IMO
fading onyx
What is the reason y'all play rogue? Do you play it out of fun? Do you play it b...
It was my first character to 60 in vanilla when I played on a pvp server. I previously played a Druid that I just pvped with. Both have title Stone Guard. My rogue has a tabard of the protector.
I mained it until wrath then mained DK until legion when I went back to rogue.
static epoch
the funny thing is
I don't like FFXIV's NIN all that much
but I like tons of their classes flavour-wise
in WoW, I hate every setting-specific class and just fall back onto Warrior/Rogue because they're rather generic overall
fading onyx
I like Druid too. Considering maining too. Resto is fun af
noble kestrel
What you don't like Doton??
Don't you like Dotno when they increased it's range by 100 yards for.. reasons?
pale mason
I am glad there are at least some flavor texts i found during my questing in midnight. “Im a rogue, just show me the good shit.” “Ok, its in the back” quest done.
static epoch
Don't you like Dotno when they increased it's range by 100 yards for.. reasons?
wait they did? when? does Doton now hit everything in combat?
noble kestrel
no, no
fading onyx
Yeah I do love the little nods like that murder row quest where the rogue could just questions row rats- my other classes had to kill them.
noble kestrel
let me find it because it's so weird
unreal gulch
Ye ffxiv always looked great but it never delivered on the feeling for me
A lot of it feels bland
unreal gulch
Tbf I dont feel much different on rogue
Sub skill floor is way lower, but you dont really press less buttons
noble kestrel
I can't find it, but they made it's range (i.e., the range you can roc it's thing) way higher
unreal gulch
Sin lost one
noble kestrel
For reasons I don't understand and that never work
pale mason
Its changing slowly i feel. The class design anyway.
noble kestrel
FF14 needs to delete like 5 buttons per job
They have ability bloat and so much redundancy that there is no real room for identity. Now, FF14's PvP class identity..
pale mason
Just play a healer
mellow pilot
back in ARR when Shiva P2 started up I thought it was fuckin' insane, they thoug...
/shout STEP ON ME MOMMY
unreal gulch
I dont feel buttons are the issue. The combat just isnt really dynamic at all and rather scripted like our old openers
Then just repeats itself
noble kestrel
Yeah, it's very very scripted. FF14's moment t moment gameplay is very very boring and static. The fight design carries it entirely.
Doing your rotation in world content is very dull, to me.
pale mason
When you can map out a whole fight on what you can press….it can get stale at some point.
static epoch
Doing your rotation in world content is very dull, to me.
it just kinda died down over time
like playing the open world in ARR/HW was alright, there was a feeling of danger and classes were distinct enough that you felt it even out of instances, then in StB it got easy, then in ShB it got boring class-wise on top of easy
dungeons survived through the end of Stormblood them Shadowbringers killed them (and tanks) too
basically they tried to put all the complexity and distinctiveness in optional fights, but that means that 90% of the game is very simple and unchallenging and by-the-numbers, which is why I got bored and tried WoW again
ARR/HW/StB weren't really like the current FFXIV, I miss that stuff and want it back
and Yoshi-P's been talking about something changing in 8.0, but I have no idea how much of that is PR-speak bc they've spent three expacs doing stupid shit by now
noble kestrel
I would like to see some actual WoW-level changes to 14 where they try stuff.
It's so formulaic that it becomes a bit dull
static epoch
they did try stuff early on
the issue is that they started playing it super safe after HW's early patches hit the game hard
StB was a good middle ground between uniqueness and accessibility, but SE didn't see it that way
noble kestrel
I played from Shadowbringers -> Dawntrail and it was the same formula throughout (with some weird missteps like putting relic stuff into dogshit game modes instead of letting people play whatever they wanted to earn them)
static epoch
yeah because Shadowbringers was the start of the current trend
in a way, you've played through Legion to Shadowlands for XIV
noble kestrel
Yep
I don't dislike it, but you can see the formula. The very static open world, the very rigid dungeon design. The very tepid and boring class identity design. The same systems repeated again, and again with no surprises. It's fine but not really engaging to me.
static epoch
so you kinda missed the vanilla of ARR, the WotLK of HW and Cata/MoP of StB
noble kestrel
There's a lot of good stuff in there that WoW should absolutely be copying.
But there's also stuff that WoW just does head and shoulders better.
static epoch
not untrue
but frankly at this point I feel like the only thing WoW does noticeably better is design diversity (not necessarily quality of said design, just how varied they can be) and like, basic gameplay patterns, with M+ existing at all and open world at least being useful (if not really interesting anymore)
subjective of course, but I feel like 2017 FFXIV was at least equal to 2017 WoW on overall merits
right now WoW is slightly better in general but infuriating about things that are worse, whereas FFXIV's main issue is being bland rather than bad
noble kestrel
I want FF14's loot determinism from content clears.
static epoch
100%
I fucking detest Blizz for dropping their attempts at deterministic loot every time they do them
noble kestrel
Crafting is about on par with 14 (and works well for how Wow works) for deterministic gearing.
static epoch
like TBC through Cata was a steady progression of quality in that regard, then MoP started shifting away from it and by Legion all you had was RNG
noble kestrel
But actual loot gain, esp trinkets from raid? nightmare.
static epoch
DF crafting is a major improvement over any previous crafting system in WoW, yeah
noble kestrel
Yep
static epoch
(and yet there are so damn many people who hate it lmao)
noble kestrel
Midnight's itteration is the best so far. Each expansion has done excellent work refining it.
noble kestrel
It's the same as TWW's but they killed one of the quality levels on reageants. That's about the only real major change. Which is good.
and on produced items
static epoch
TWW had it almost figured out in terms of progression speed and such
Midnight has slowed things down somewhat, introduced shitty elements in places and the tuning is fucked for some professions
like JC is miserable and super costly
static epoch
meanwhile Insc is super easy and cheap
and Eng is ten times that, it's basically free
Ench got way cheaper, Alchemy got noticeably worse
also abundance sucks ass
static epoch
and forcing random skinning epics into so many recipes sucks hard
what sucks even more is having to make lures with FISH
static epoch
(Abundance is weird and not well designed)
it is literally the most troublesome sort of design, like it's something I would expect in BfA or SL era
- must farm stuff to even access
- runs per week limited not by reward, but by keys
- currency can be permanently lost due to server lag
- obtaining full rewards requires 30 mins of absolutely mind-numbing activity that is still graded for some reason and you could, for a time, lose currency permanently by scoring poorly
noble kestrel
The currency is being awards infinitely by the 12.0.5 thing at least
so you can ignore it entirely soon
static epoch
The currency is being awards infinitely by the 12.0.5 thing at least
huh?
noble kestrel
The crafting currency thing
It's being infinitely awards from 12.0.5's new diving mode
So you can just ignore Abundance which is nice. Doesn't solve it but at least they're not sticking to it.
static epoch
breh
well I hope they avoid anything like it in TLT
because it's literally so backwards in terms of design, I couldn't believe it was really like that
noble kestrel
Same. I don't dislike the idea of Abundance but it creates so many conflicts and issues that it doesn't work.
Just bring back soup.
Soup had the same lag issue but it was funny
The Haroldar weekly is neat. And the Sorrie is nice and quick with a bit more. Those are very solid.
static epoch
It was like, 40k to max it out very early on
idk, it cost me like 200k net loss, not a single profession otherwise did even close to that
engineering cost me 10k lmao, I loved it
noble kestrel
It didn't even remotely cost me that much
unreal gulch
The Haroldar weekly is neat. And the Sorrie is nice and quick with a bit more. T...
I hate weeklies with passion ngl
Soiree is kinda fine
Still dont do it
noble kestrel
The best design is when they exist and you don't have to do them if you don't want too, imo
Outside of the launch
noble kestrel
And Abundance. You don't HAVE to do abundance for anything
static epoch
crafted epic tools brudda
noble kestrel
You should have another look at them
And the blue tools
And then tell me that Abundance is mandatory
'Cos they're the same +skill
static epoch
it's not mandatory but it's the only way to the final crafting progression tier
they're the same +skill but there's noticeably more +stats
noble kestrel
That is identical to the blue quality tool with only a minor increase to secondary stats. You don't have to do them
So I don't see Abundance as mandatory at all
static epoch
also I think Blizz fucked up and forgot to make MN tools apply to DF/TWW skills
like it's not a major issue
but it's weird
noble kestrel
Ye I wish they'd just have Next Expansion tools apply maximum Previous Expansion stuff
It's an annoying, very minor and unimportant, oversight
static epoch
ye
mellow pilot
Swap class
Jkjk you need an addon if those are the ones under your character nameplate
upper veldt
HealthBarColor can remove
regal cargo
thanks
next axle
regal cargo
It was turned off but still have it under my char icon
meager totem
It was turned off but still have it under my char icon
yeah the dude is wrong it doesnt turn those off, has to be an addon
novel cipher
Sensei class resource bar can also be rocked hidden at all times
final token
the ignorane of people having a +10 key getting a free boost and still shit talks is like every 3rd dungeon this week
novel cipher
You can vote to disband the key 😎
torpid harness
novel cipher
I imagine that's more a thing for that one add-on that marks people with custom notes
It's exactly for key assassins like that priest
torpid harness
Solution: don’t boost or get boosted
final token
I imagine that's more a thing for that one add-on that marks people with custom ...
started using it few weeks back
already 10 entries
novel cipher
#wow-general message definitely use the one haptics made if all you wanna do is hide those combo points
harsh mason
Hi rogues and female rogues
Do you know what the best delve to spam is ?
For delver's journey
novel cipher
No idea
final token
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/mythicfriendrater
not this one
will download it right away
novel cipher
I'm surprised to see it with such low use
novel cipher
not this one
This one might be more popular. I just searched blacklist on curseforge
quasi venture
the epic crafting tools are like 1-3% stat difference afaik
they dont really make abundance worth it
especially doing that much abundance
same +skill between blue and purple tools anyway
ember nest
idk dawg
1-3% diff is very big
when you craft millions on things
you corner the people without the tools out of the market
like it is happening right now on some things
quasi venture
maybe on a very small server/specifically for consumables, but i dont think it is so severe on larger ones
left crow
So I don't see Abundance as mandatory at all
Sry for pinging half a day later, my 2c: with consumables you are competing regionwide. If you want to win AH pvp you absolutely have to have epic tools. But of course there are only a few players on that level, if you don't have at least one production chain completely skilled over your characters you don't need them. Personally I looked at abundance, vomitted and banned the thought of ever getting epic tools.
noble kestrel
Sry for pinging half a day later, my 2c: with consumables you are competing regi...
But the blue and purple tools provide the precise same +skill.
The only difference is the extra resourcefulness / ingeunity / etc. And while that can add up it really isn't a huge difference
quasi venture
most bigtime ah pvp is just flipping depreciated goods
noble kestrel
HOWEVER I do not play the consumable game so i really can't comment properly on it
left crow
The only difference is the extra resourcefulness / ingeunity / etc. And while th...
It does add up if you are a regionwide producer. If you produce the mountains of consumables Europe needs, you need epic tools 😉
ember nest
most of the wins are on buying low selling high anyway yea
quasi venture
ie., buting bulk green-quality red gems then flipping for like 8,000% profit (happened in my cluster)
ember nest
but if you want to say craft 40 million pots
and have a profit
with like 40 diff chars
you do that
otherwise just keep chilling
there has also been some tech with the +5 and +10 skill items to get over not using a rank 2 mat
and getting wins that way
but i cba doing big AH plays rn
boes are very mid this season so with my few millions im fine
harsh mason
boes are very mid this season so with my few millions im fine
i have 80k
if i gather all my golds
ember nest
that is plenty fine to raid
harsh mason
it's not
i alr used
200k this season
to buy enchants, crafted pieces, pots, oils, runes,...
the torso enchant costs like 20k gold
mellow pilot
don't buy it
ember nest
well you can always boost a bit if you are tight on gold
it is actually faster to do weeklies that way in m+ if you are somewhat decent
or do the daily skinning or concentration crafts
even at worst those are like 3k gold
fringe umbra
is there any way to do that?
No, but theres also 0 reason to track find weakness
Its quite literally always up
regal cargo
yes probably XD
in aoe is 100 % and if i am on the back on the boss will be 100 % in ST as well
shut spade
I figured out how to get inmvites in m+
You wanna note that you have soul links and will focus on prio target
raw hill
You wanna note that you have soul links and will focus on prio target
lmfao what rly?
isnt soul link that warlock thing
stoic lake
fossil monolith
i wanted to share a focus and mark target macro
/tm [@mouseover,exists,nodead] [] 1
/focus [@mouseover,exists,nodead] []
lg
elder canyon
Why in gods name am i not allowed to roll for this what the fuck??
torpid harness
Why in gods name am i not allowed to roll for this what the fuck??
Lmao it thinks it’s the same one?
Small indie company
elder canyon
man the highest roll was a 58 as well. That couldve been mine ... amazing company "oh you upgraded your items. Fuck you"
elder canyon
Yea its pug haha
torpid harness
Rip
grim oyster
Guys, does it matter on which weapon i use Acuity of the Ren'dorei?
noble kestrel
It does not
grim oyster
thx.
hazy bough
trying to move it around
sour patrol
Miasara Caverns release bug, bricked the key
Didn't need it for the score or the teleport but still annoying
gentle frigate
what bizarro world are we in that ret is the best m+ spec lmfao
raw hill
what bizarro world are we in that ret is the best m+ spec lmfao
a pink one
sour patrol
a pink one
Uranus?
ornate nest
I havent been doing any lame ass voidforge quests weekly, am i now somehow gonna be left behind on progress on it when that lame shit releases
also, isnt it kinda super lame that we are allready gonna start getting 3 myth tracks weekly this early in
ornate nest
Anyone actually know if im set back 3 weeks of the voidforge bonus rolls as I havent done the weeklies yet?
Thats true too tho
hearty fog
sour patrol
Like it's so frustrating
People panic and forget everything they need to do the second they get targeted by a mechanic
raw hill
People panic and forget everything they need to do the second they get targeted ...
its funny watching people run around like a chicken without a head when they dont know the mechanic
sour patrol
Spent all three hours of raid night wiping
Got to Phase 3 twice, lowest we got her to was 50%
hearty fog
weak gulch
hey guys question, which rogue spec is being used more for mythic plus as of lately?
mellow pilot
hey guys question, which rogue spec is being used more for mythic plus as of lat...
All three are being used a lot
karmic prairie
hey guys question, which rogue spec is being used more for mythic plus as of lat...
Sub is the most popular for Rogues right now but I main Sin and do just fine. I can pull anywhere from 100-200k DPS reliably depending on how big the pull is, sometimes even 200-250k on gigapulls
deft star
Does anybody know, If I clear the raids on heroic, and kill 2 myth bosses (first two in Voidspire) - can the vault contain a myth item from all of the bosses I killed, or does it check the loot pool only of those myth bosses?
hearty fog
Does anybody know, If I clear the raids on heroic, and kill 2 myth bosses (first...
only myth
deft star
Was it always like that, or was that different in the past?
hearty fog
always like that
well
your myth slot
will only be from what bosses youve killed
your heroic will only be from what bosses youve killed
but say you killed first boss and alleria on myth
then it's going to be all the bosses from crown
deft star
So if you kill the end raid boss, it can drop items from the whole raid and bypasses the "bosses-killed" check?
ruby linden
Any tips on pit of saron first boss
hearty fog
So if you kill the end raid boss, it can drop items from the whole raid and bypa...
yes
deft star
Cool, thanks for the info
hearty fog
back in DF s1 the last boss (rasz) used to drop a ultra rare hunter bow
so what some absolute sweats did (probably like 0.01% of the population)
was they'd buy a mythc rasz kill
and then from then on only kill 2 bosses in mythic
so this way there's only 3 bosses in their loot pool
hearty fog
Any tips on pit of saron first boss
reduce his health to 0 before
ruby linden
reduce his health to 0 before
It’s just so hard though…. https://x.com/dwilkz1/status/2042380477474971943
X
oak tartan
It’s just so hard though…. https://x.com/dwilkz1/status/2042380477474971943
Your group did terrible with the saronit
halcyon lagoon
Just do The War Within delves like I said earlier
seems like world quests are the way to go for 70-80 they give insane exp
rotund creek
Maybe it’s better to ask here : Does the CoS work at any point to counter the absorb from Vanguard raid boss (the paladins trio) ?
glossy flicker
Maybe it’s better to ask here : Does the CoS work at any point to counter the ab...
No
ember nest
it works to not get killed by a shield if targeted and low healt+health absorb
otherwise it is dog
hey you can crimsom vial
for 15% hp
over 4 seconds
a 1.1 mil absorb
cloud badger
fiery coyote
just a curseforge upload? what does this do that m33kaura does not?
cold agate
A fork of a fork
lusty laurel
what's the addon for combo points that Shindigg using?
zealous halo
just a curseforge upload? what does this do that m33kaura does not?
I think the guy is just kinda stealing the m33 fork
To reupload it on curse
Bit shady work if you ask me
steep dock
regal cargo
Guys i wanna sak something regarding this talent
I did 4 unseen blade strikes, but my eviscerate is the same 😄 nothing has changed
Do you have some indiaction or glow or xD have no idea
fiery coyote
it does, the icon changes into 
the animation is different, longer, with its own sound
scarlet berry
Anyone got any nifty addons for tracking soothe-able targets? Looking for some enrage buff to pop above enemy nameplates ideally.
novel pewter
Anyone know what the shadow guard point rotation is? When it active next?
torpid harness
Anyone got any nifty addons for tracking soothe-able targets? Looking for some e...
It shows on the left of their nameplates in maisara, can shiv those, dunno any others
Berserkers I think they’re called, at start
valid dune
Anyone got any nifty addons for tracking soothe-able targets? Looking for some e...
The Champions in Seat can be shivved as well
scarlet berry
i gotta mess with my nameplates then. I'm using platynator and I dont see anything near their plates when they enrage
woeful scaffold
wich specc is doing better atm?
halcyon lagoon
Follow the Arrow recommends me to go to the grudge pit delve first but it is closed. I completed the main story on my main, do I need to do quests on my alt too to do delves?
vivid crescent
Follow the Arrow recommends me to go to the grudge pit delve first but it is clo...
you shouldnt need to no. if you did everything on your main, everything should be open up on alts. heck I was doing the delve spam to level alts at 80 so idk why its closed for ya.
halcyon lagoon
weird, all the other delves seem to be open
but it feels hella slow, did 3 delves for 1 level including the delvers call quests
1 delve takes 15-20min so its still roughly 1h per lvl which is crazy slow
vivid crescent
yeah you basically just use the first clear quests as an xp boost usually if you start them at 80 youll end up around like 83-84 ish?, wouldnt really use them for leveling explicitly. do all the quests, hit like 88 from story questing, turn on war mode for xp boost, turn in quests for chunky xp, and usually you should be just shy of hitting 90 with a few first crafts from professions. im sure there is faster routes by now though
novel pewter
It's more efficient to hold the delve quests till you're high level by the way.
Do them at level 80/81 - turn in when you're like level 88/89.
Can also get like 2-3 levels from profession first crafts.
So usually best to grind to 85 or so. Then professions. Then turn in delve & dungeon quests
sand karma
any way to dispell this week afix?
noble kestrel
You can cloak it
meager totem
vanish
gentle frigate
My girlfriend was watching me level in calamitous delve and was like “how do you see anything”
“I don’t”
woeful geyser
“I don’t”
when the screen flashes red, i press cloak + health pot and sprint around
fringe umbra
Swifty defensive macro 
gentle frigate
Ngl leveling other classes makes me remember how much I love rogue gameplay
shut spade
I have 30 myth crests over the cap
this was from the ?? boss
Can we get 10 more somehow?
to complete the upgrade
orr
O. O
meager totem
no
iron moth
Ngl leveling other classes makes me remember how much I love rogue gameplay
fr, tried to level a tank, It just feels so bad
novel pewter
I find vdh feels great - a lot of tanks don't though.
hearty fog
fr, tried to level a tank, It just feels so bad
try prot paladin. feels very outlaw rogue like
iron moth
try prot paladin. feels very outlaw rogue like
how so?
hearty fog
generate combo point
spend combo point
also sotr off cdr
so youre very fast paced
iron moth
I will take a look
shrewd oak
What's up with my combo points disappearing when I take the fast travel in Nexus Point?
sand karma
cheat death or defensives on that node?
fading onyx
thats not really a choice node. its cheat death node
raw hill
yo does anyone have an addon that shows u each mob's percentage gain for M+
thick jolt
they need to fix rogue every time i invite one everyone leaves
raw hill
they need to fix rogue every time i invite one everyone leaves
no wayy
worn echo
just a general question. are parses still heavily related to kill time? we are not reclearing hc so i did this in a random group and parsed alot lower then with my guild group
noble kestrel
Kill time does have a big impact on getting a good parse, yeah. But only if you are able to kill it at the peak of your burst or during good cooldowns, etc.
worn echo
Kill time does have a big impact on getting a good parse, yeah. But only if you ...
so even if both kills end up being in the middle or right after my cooldowns it does not matter if the kill took i.e. 1 minute longer?
noble kestrel
It varies, really. But typically yes since as the fight goes on, you'll naturally have damage fall off due to mechanics and other reasons.
worn echo
It varies, really. But typically yes since as the fight goes on, you'll naturall...
kk thank you for clarifying
noble kestrel
It does vary though. Some fights will make it less of a big deal and some kill timers can actually make it harder to parse the quicker a boss dies.
hearty fog
we are the worst class in the game though
everything that we do, another class can also do except they bring more
thick jolt
everything that we do, another class can also do except they bring more
a rogue cant shroud skip because of true sight, priest can with soothe though
hearty fog
yes exactly
thick jolt
ever since they made tea auto proc ive never touched rogue again
one of the worst changes theyve ever made
mellow pilot
L take
Tea minmax was not even worth it
Now that it doesn't even give mastery anymore, it just doesn't matter
mellow pilot
thick jolt
might as well have 1 stack with auto proc
and you can still minmax it by not hitting anything at 30 energy
plucky dock
Abyss Walker confirmed for worst class in the game
torpid harness
That’s stupid guys nobody can survive a wipe like rogue can
Wait nvm feign death
Ok I got nothing
chrome bolt
=[.lkoio [
static epoch
thats not really a choice node. its cheat death node
I used to believe that, but Elusiveness is really the only way rogues can reliably survive targeted damage
raw hill
That’s stupid guys nobody can survive a wipe like rogue can
lmao i very temporarily survive wipes by pressing literally every defensive
raw hill
ever since they made tea auto proc ive never touched rogue again
wait what... they did?
grizzled fjord
inland gale
and you can still minmax it by not hitting anything at 30 energy
there's no min max, letting it auto proc when youre low on energy is the max, there's no "better" time to use it
jade panther
Is there a way to see the total mana spent during a fight with warcraft logs ?
I see the sources of gains, but not the amount spent
steep iron
Here is a question just because I am newer to retail and the articles I have read on the great vault havent totally answered my questions. So perhaps someone here has some insight.
I have full cleared H VS, and killed H Chimaerus. Downed Mythic Averzian and Voracious.
Is there a chance from any of my vault slots for a Mythic track raid item from bosses I did not kill on Mythic?
i.e. Mythic Ring from Paladins, Mythic dreamrift trink, etc.
steep dock
you need to have killed them once
but if you somehow kill mythic crown before other, you get all loot
steep iron
So from my mythic raid slot I should expect loot from the first two bosses of Voidspire to appear there.
The dungeon slots would be tier or a piece of dungeon loot. The two heroic raid slots should be loot from any of the heroic bosses I have killed this week.
steep dock
correct
meager totem
heroic slot can be any boss youve killed once doesnt have to be this week
steep iron
gl on vault,surely we will get something good
two weeks in a row I had 4 belt options 
steep dock
beltmaster
steep iron
True my pants STAY UP
steep dock
wary hemlock
whats up with all shit wow streamers and the damn idea of classic +, whats the point of a classic + really?
fervent ibex
I see the sources of gains, but not the amount spent
Pretty sure you can see an entire timeframe of mana level and all of that ye
vivid crescent
whats up with all shit wow streamers and the damn idea of classic +, whats the p...
to cope more that classic is good, considering its a constant dying playerbase. C+ is a classic friendly retail game for retailers, C+ is a retail friendly game for classicers. its an illusion that exists in the mind. no one will agree what it will be. and blizzard will release a version thats probably better than SoD but will equally be less appealing after some time and people have played it enough. I think most people are coping that NA/Global gets the Titan reforge server style like CN got.
gentle frigate
guys how many delve quests are tehre
meager totem
10
gentle frigate
kill me
wary hemlock
to cope more that classic is good, considering its a constant dying playerbase. ...
so copeium for Classicers that think retail is shit even tho they want the stuff that exists for retail
vivid crescent
so copeium for Classicers that think retail is shit even tho they want the stuff...
basically. ive even heard wants of M+ from a retailer standpoint and i'm just huehuehue. its gonna be pure cinema when it drops and everyone is disappointed. no one can decide what models should be used, should it be old content never released from vanilla, etc etc. lotta wants, no agrees.
static epoch
two weeks in a row I had 4 belt options <:Kekw:1457422535221182474>
vault design: Tetsuya Nomura
sour patrol
vault design: Tetsuya Nomura
pleeeeease, oh baby
brittle mango
Whats the best craft embelishments if I cannot decide what spec, and how much would I be losing out if I do a more generic craft?
tough swallow
- first is typically a weapons: dagger with hunt for sub/sin (also fine in offhand for outlaw)
- second is a off piece: bracers/belt/boots with e.g. lining
bleak elm
Is the chart where you can see defensive cds usage still a thing?
Like what abilities feint/evasion works on etc? ^^
turbid heron
!def
ionic forumBOT
Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <
bleak elm
I remember seeing it last season but I don't remember where 
turbid heron
Its not updated for raid tho iirc
bleak elm
Its not updated for raid tho iirc
aah okey, thanks!
sour patrol
mellow pilot
Check the pins for more info
spare solstice
How is rogue currently in general?
novel pewter
!up
ionic forumBOT
spare solstice
I really like that poison puddle on the ground with adds in ape situations. Was thinking of leveling my rogue
Aoe *
spare solstice
Yea but still satisfying
mellow pilot
Is it tho? you barely notice it
spare solstice
I see the numbers at least
mellow pilot
fair enough
delicate monolith
what uprading order do you recommend? weapons - head/chest - then?
leaden dirge
weapons - trinkets
noble kestrel
MH -> Trinkets -> Big agi slots -> small agi slots -> Jewellery -> OH is what I typically do.
leaden dirge
then its usually sim and let the clankers decide
delicate monolith
oh did not know about trinkets priority, thanks guys!
sour patrol
oh did not know about trinkets priority, thanks guys!
Well it does depend on the trinket
Algeth'ar Puzzle Box? Load it up.
Light Company Guidon? Hmm
sour panther
Evasion tank rogue spec when
long trench
Is anyone using Ayije CDM? I've been trying to change a setting for the past half hour and have no clue how to do it ; /
static epoch
Evasion tank rogue spec when
ngl evasion (primarily through evasion, rather than just Shield Block/parry boost) tanking hasn't been a workable concept since never, like you could get there a few times, but it was either broken or unsustainable
and the mechanic that would work best for a Rogue, IMO, is taken up by Brewmaster with different flavour - we could have a tank that delays damage and does the "my luck keeps me alive" sort of thing, but Stagger is literally just that mechanically
exotic abyss
any1 know what addon this would be, so the icons are black around instead of the clear it is with dominos?
Forgot to copy addons over and now I cant find it
fair chasm
Earthen Racial is best racial - I'm averaging about 12 minutes a level right now
fervent ibex
any1 know what addon this would be, so the icons are black around instead of the...
Framecolor maybe
It’s not a full on actionbar addon
burnt torrent
does rogue bring any good utility for m+?
sour patrol
does rogue bring any good utility for m+?
Nope, we're just damage.
Atrophic Poison helps a little but no one's going out of their way to invite us for it.
ember nest
you bring an extra affix
burnt torrent
🙁
sour patrol
Most groups don't like to bring more than 1 melee, easier when the dps don't have to be a certain distance to the target and all
raw hill
are lust timings just always first big pull then hit it on cd after that?
hearty fog
generally yeah
either that or boss
but usually it's big pull to get it on cd
maybe MT is 2nd pull
raw hill
maybe MT is 2nd pull
oh true, ive seen some do 1st and some on 2nd
static epoch
but not noticeable enough
my hpal buddy bullies me over the fact that locks bring like twice the power of numbing on their mass curse
static epoch
sometimes I really don't get it
what is the point of Rogue in a team
like what's the design there
noble kestrel
Making puns
night pier
So the random lag spikes aren’t for just me, because I’ve seen posts saying it’s happening for anyone playing in the UK
night pier
Ggs bliz, can do any forms of high end content this week
noble kestrel
I was wondering because they were very sporadic
night pier
P sure it just freezes for like 4 seconds or so
static epoch
in general I've seen like five times the amount of random DCs in keys this week
every second key someone DCs and it's a gamble whether they can get back on before the autokick removes them
noble kestrel
I've had moments of intense home and world MS that then drops down. It's very weird.
Not sure it's Blizz's fault or if something else is going on.
night pier
It’s super annoying
Think it’s a bliz issue
Literally just been doing delves lately cause I don’t wanna push my like 16s/17s when the game freezes randomly
And I’ve been trying to get to journey 9 for the heroic items vendor as I think I’ve seen a delve trinket that might outsim crucible
Plus heroic gear on alts is good
hearty fog
So the random lag spikes aren’t for just me, because I’ve seen posts saying it’s...
heard some UK guy say something about russian submarines targetting critical infrastructure
could be memeing though
night pier
Lmao
noble kestrel
Almost certainly
We're perfectly capable of destroying our own critical infrastrcuture thank you very much
sour patrol
whats the fastest way to level?
Dungeons, I believe
Leveling a Paladin right now, just sitting in Silvermoon and queueing as Holy.
I only have 2 90s so the buff is only 10% more, but I get just under one level every two dungeons
night pier
whats the fastest way to level?
I also think theres a specific delve story that yo ucan level through super fast
like gathering a ton of mobs and killing them, then leaving and repeating
gentle frigate
I also think theres a specific delve story that yo ucan level through super fast
calamitous shadowguard point
dapper hedge
hey everyone, havnt found anything, but is there a pickpocketing thing in midnight?
novel cipher
Not like wax that I'm aware of no
wicked wolf
whats the fastest way to level?
I’ve done two alts with the follow the arrow addon - nice brain off way that just leads you through quests and delves
fleet pine
Hey, wanna check on my logs how much finisher i've done with 6 combo point / 5 combo point / less then 5 / More then 6 combo point,
Do you know where i can have thoses data ? 
hearty fog
Hey, wanna check on my logs how much finisher i've done with 6 combo point / 5 c...
Resources > combo points
fleet pine
That show how much i've spended / wasted in total for each builder spell,but not like how much CP i spend on my finishers ? Or am i missing smth
hearty fog
That show how much i've spended / wasted in total for each builder spell,but not...
You can look at the graph and kinda visually track it
There might be a query for it but thats too much work for me
fleet pine
There might be a query for it but thats too much work for me
i'll work on it, thanks sir
hearty fog
Glgl
Im relatively confident that you can query it since wow analyser does/did that
Maybe ask chatgpt
Ecks dee
fleet pine
Im relatively confident that you can query it since wow analyser does/did that
Exactly, that's why i'm searching it, cause it's 100% doable
hearty fog
Ye gl
I might try have a think tomorrow if you havent gotten
Also semi related. Set up your combo points bar to change color at certain colors
craggy ridge
do alts need to complete the campaign for anything?
static epoch
exp only
you can skip the campaign at Soridormi in Silvermoon's main inn
zealous halo
Im relatively confident that you can query it since wow analyser does/did that
wowanalyzer is just recoding the behavior of things in the background based on events recorded
will just watch casts, and ressources events to figure out how much cp you casted wht spell at
not really queries
sour patrol
How long until classic plus is announced?
mellow pilot
!up
ionic forumBOT
tropic lion
guys, i got boomer hands, is rogue a little less spammy this xpac with pruning? or the APMs still off the charts, I'd like to forget those Outlaw Rogue days when it was a finger blender
or is it like BFA/Shadowlands still
or should i just stick to Assassin
woeful geyser
assassination is one of the slowest melee dps specs since kinda forever at this point
sub has faster windows but then also slows down drastically outside of them
tropic lion
ohisee, thank you for that, yeah, i was watching pikaboo pug a mythic raid last night as Sub, but he does the PVP key spam lol,
so it was hard to tell
deft shoal
so is assasin on the rise again?
woeful geyser
so is assasin on the rise again?
blizzard did a blizzard and nerfed sub aoe based on m0 performance where stuff died in 0,9 seconds
and burst aoe is kinda subs thing
and we allready reached the point where burst aoe is not really that much needed anymore in the raid aswell
so sub is, once again, in this weird spot
deft shoal
and we allready reached the point where burst aoe is not really that much needed...
im playing sub now but i played assasin last season
just kinda sucks having the cds then u hit like a wet noodle
woeful geyser
also doesnt help that there are multiple 2-3 target cleaves rn, and sub just sucks for that aswell
woeful geyser
just kinda sucks having the cds then u hit like a wet noodle
thats almost every dps spec in the game rn tbh
tropic lion
yeah, the raid is built for 2-3 cleave, why Marksman hunters popping off
deft shoal
thats almost every dps spec in the game rn tbh
yeah. if i do go back to assasin id have to re gear as well lol
woeful geyser
wdym
deft shoal
isnt assasin crit>haste now?
woeful geyser
bro, most of your stuff is heroic gear
what do you need to re-gear
and secondary stats are way less important then most people think they are anyway lol
deft shoal
i guess really only the crafted pieces and the enchants maybe
i have like 3 or 4 myth pieces
inland gale
Which is probably like 1% if you redid everything and atp is it worth it?
deft shoal
i know id prolly want more crit atleast
tropic lion
good to hear secondary stats are less important, because every gear drop i get has Vers on it and i my toon is crit/mast
inland gale
Secondaries are so minimal outside sub/OL haste breakpoints it’s not worth the gold cost imo
tropic lion
you need 18 percent haste on Sub to squeeze in an extra dance/blades
deft shoal
my rogue has like idk maybe 18
or just under
u want 700 haste and im at like 655 unbuffed
my raid team brings me for imperator and vorasius then i get sat for chimaerus and saladbar
worldly forge
!feint
ionic forumBOT
Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <
rare solar
!up
ionic forumBOT
final needle
hi, uhm, i like, both outlaw and subletly rogue, what should i do with the embelishments?
fringe umbra
It doesnt really matter, you can do either and its completely fine for the other spec
dapper hedge
dont do an embelishment, become ungovernable
hearty fog
fight the establishment!
bold lynx
Haven't played rogue since tbc, is there a preferred spec for leveling or are they roughly equal these days for that?
velvet steppe
fight the establishment!
True rogue spirit. xD
hearty fog
hearty fog
Haven't played rogue since tbc, is there a preferred spec for leveling or are th...
sub is probably easiest to level with
but honestly just play what you are comfortable with
bold lynx
Copy that thanks
velvet steppe
Leveling as Outlaw atm and haven't had many issues.
rogue kinda struggles with elites and such a little more but that might either be a gearing issue, or i'm just too spoiled by warlock and hunter
hearty fog
you are 100% spoiled by warlock and hunter having pets to tank for you
source - me making a warlock alt and mongo bongoing through delves having 0 idea what to do with my rotation
velvet steppe
source - me making a warlock alt and mongo bongoing through delves having 0 idea...
It's fun innit?
hearty fog
bro ranged players have a whole different experience in this game
it's actually insane how chill it is
velvet steppe
Very much so.
hearty fog
oh no i need to move out of one mechanic that happens every 20 seconds
my dps is ruined
meanwhile the boss farts and i was 1 pixel too close and now im dead
velvet steppe
Just pulling everything in sight, making a pile, dropping seeds and watching them all die.
I'm loving rogue right now but yeah it's definitely going to be an adjustment.
hearty fog
yeah
thats also why i say just play what you enjoy in the levelling experience
either you ultra sweatlord it up and minmax everything do the delve that you can get from 80-90 in 3 hours
or just have some fun
where there are no stakes
velvet steppe
I'm not even going to be max on this rogue for a while, gonna exp lock at 69 and just enjoy older content for a bit.
got warlock at 90 to keep up appearances with current content, but the rest of the time I plan to play the rogue
ionic forumBOT
Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <
meager totem
@shell hill
shell hill
!ban @remote glen spamma
kindred vessel
!best
ionic forumBOT
All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.
Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.
You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.
hearty fog
trail stream
!up
ionic forumBOT
hearty fog
@shell hill help
shell hill
ANOTHER ONE?
!ban @radiant tundra spamma againa
I just banned a guy for that like an hour ago
hearty fog
theyre everywhere
warm pagoda
tough swallow
!vibe
#off-topic <-
raw hill
ANOTHER ONE?
theyre out to get you
halcyon lagoon
follow the arrow is suggesting I enter this delve, but it seems to be closed? any clue why that is? I completed everything with my main.
I am an idiot, the entrance is on the other sinde 😄
its weird because you can actually click on that door but it says "you need to be closer" and nothing happens
halcyon lagoon
lel
night pier
<a:PU_PepeRunningScissors:698158728947695646>
What the fuck is this
haha
Why is he
RUNNING WITH SCISSORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sour patrol
Doing Delves as a Healer you have Valeera as DPS, right?
ember nest
or tank
sour patrol
It's just my lvl 88 Paladin so it's only Tier 3
Do i have to pull for her if she's a Tank?
She takes a buttload of damage
astral lion
it's me john artus teh leech king - send 1000000g or ur city wil b next strathomo lmao
sour patrol
I'm sorry Artus, I can't watch you phish this
steep dock
I have a few running pepes
sour patrol
woeful geyser
Doing Delves as a Healer you have Valeera as DPS, right?
tank
tank delve companions have a passive effect that gives them a dmg buff when you heal them
sour patrol
tank delve companions have a passive effect that gives them a dmg buff when you ...
Oh well that's nice
Because she was getting chunked it seemed, and it was only a 3
woeful geyser
yeha, you need to like, actually heal the delve companion
cus like, healer gameplay and stuff
quasi venture
i need more exterior house decor points
250 just aint enough
blizzard!!!!!!!!!!!
main pulsar
does the great vault negate loot? as in if I didnt kill midnight or bel, do I still have a chance if getting the items from those bosses? My friend in my guild says if he only kills bel or midnight on heroic that he'll only get loot from those bosses? is that right?
I thought that if you get 2 heroic slots you just get a heroic item regardless of bosses you killed.
meager totem
you need to have killed the boss atleast once, and if you kill the last boss of a raid it automatically unlocks all the other ones
main pulsar
ok, but how do we KNOW that? because it doesnt say that at all on wowhead.
Im just genuinely curious.
hearty fog
ok, but how do we KNOW that? because it doesnt say that at all on wowhead.
it said that about 4 years ago
or whenever dragonflight was
your friend is wrong (probably)
meager totem
the last boss thingy was added in vault of incarnates
but the rest has been known since weve gotten the great vault in SL
hearty fog
because these are technically new raids but i'm gonna assume that the intent of that voti change
main pulsar
yeah hes trying to rig it to where the odds of him getting a trinket from bel are exasterbated.
but I thought if its hero, it doesnt matter your loot will be a random raid item.
regardless.
meager totem
well I mean technically its possible if hes never killed a voidspire heroic boss
but it would only be 1 vault slot
modest karma
Yo, i can decently play assa and sub, but i never know which to play and when
either in m+ or raid
dont hit me with the "play what u like" 
stone kettle
Yo, i can decently play assa and sub, but i never know which to play and when
both are good in both content, sub is better overall and its seems to be more popular aswell
modest karma
i've been seeing some turbo high keys on assa
is m+ better as assa or is it just high keys ? i feels like sub might lack some damage on long fights
stone kettle
sub is better at killing important mobs so in that sense they are better in longer fights than assa
i think sub is better in raid than assa easily, m+ im not so sure, im biased aswell since i play assa
hearty fog
sub is better at killing important mobs so in that sense they are better in long...
you mean assi
sub is not good at killing important mobs
stone kettle
well well well im just wrong like that
hearty fog
happens to the best of us
sub is entirely aoe damage in m+ profile
i mean sure you can shuriken storm into evis
but then you're just doing a whole lot less damage
when assi does the same except doesn't lose out on aoe (assi has prio)
tl;dr m+ high keys when mobs live long enough to survive cooldowns play assi
for weekly 10s-13/14 play sub
in raid play whatever you enjoy 
stone kettle
nice
hearty fog
i guess in m+ sub has the "niche" of being good boss killers
because our ST and aoe build dont have significant trade off differences
but theres still so much prio mobs
in every dungeon
it doesnt feel worth
stone kettle
i simply like assa more so it made it simple to decide what to play
hearty fog
based and play what you enjoy pilled
stone kettle
joymaxxxing
modest karma
thank4knowledge
hearty fog
👍
really though
unless youre doing pushing bleeding edge content
play what you enjoy
torpid harness
you need to have killed the boss atleast once, and if you kill the last boss of ...
This is true?
hearty fog
sub keys are still fine in 16/17
torpid harness
Thank god I got mythic dreamrift this week then lmao
But no myth imperator crap
I got guidon and gaze but both are champ
I missed out on one raid this week
Myth omission would be nice I just wanna be done with farming xenas tbh
raw hill
why is sin better than sub in higher m+ key?
heard that alot
oh okay nvm i just scrolled up
hearty fog
👍
left crow
Yeah, y'all should play sub so I can enjoy WR305 I am currently with only 3169 a bit longer.
compact rampart
i dont get why ppl are so tryhards on normal BGs and some even complain abt everything and everyone instead of playin
im just trying to get gear 😭
mellow pilot
im just trying to get gear 😭
It's an online game
gentle frigate
Will rogue ever be a viable class again?
mellow pilot
Define viable
onyx ferry
Rogue is viable right now
onyx ferry
I’ve timed higher keys this season than I’ve ever timed before (taking into account the key squish). We are just fine IMO
gentle frigate
That’s because everyone is timing higher keys than ever before
onyx ferry
That’s because everyone is timing higher keys than ever before
This is true and also not true at the same time
mellow pilot
For the 0.1% of race to world first guilds?
gentle frigate
Its bottom of wcl
onyx ferry
Some people on meta classes are struggling in keys sub 10
gentle frigate
That’s because the only players left doing sub 10s are literal smooth brain players that have no fingers
mellow pilot
Even 10s are faceroll
gentle frigate
People can’t even get into 10s because no one’s doing them anymore tbh
mellow pilot
And 10s are they highest key range for majority of the player base, maybe lower
onyx ferry
And 10s are they highest key range for majority of the player base, maybe lower
As much as this shocks me I think you’re right
mellow pilot
We tend to forget that people in discords are a small bubble
We are NOT the vast majority
onyx ferry
Hell a very large portion of this game plays on story mode and their crowning achievement is lfr lol
ruby linden
My casual friends are either doing 2s or trying 10s as of last week
onyx ferry
(Not in a bad way)
ruby linden
I’m someone that managed resil 12-13 last season (started in tww) and I think I can do 12-13 with ease rn
I think 12
onyx ferry
I’ve barely done any keys, very strange season all around
ruby linden
I’m 3 off resil 12 that’s all I’m doing m+ for atm haha
AA, MT and ummmm I don’t remember
I think PoS
gentle frigate
I was late to the party so I haven’t done any keys yet but I pretty much will have to wait till next season
mellow pilot
Why? Just climb yours
ruby linden
I have a confession
I rawdogged 6 and 7 when I was starting out this season
I have never done my own key so far
craggy ridge
Belo'ren M way harder than chimaerus M or?
ruby linden
I thought people do chim m early on
plush dune
I mean yeah beloren is second to last boss
craggy ridge
Yea chim M wasnt too hard imo, mostly dps check. But no idea bout beloren
ruby linden
I’d put Chim averzian vorasius in the same bucket
meager totem
beloren is the 2nd hardest boss in the tier
craggy ridge
Then I'll avoid pugging it for a while more heh
ruby linden
I feel like rwf would be an apt reference point for this
People are just doing beloren hc for trinket and running back to mythic raiding
People aren’t even bothering with moq aotc
craggy ridge
Lura barely drops anything desireful so that makes sense
compact rampart
It's an online game
meant to be fun. Its not fun when u have a monkey spitting at u every game
another thing that has nothing to do with that
its this better than ferocity?
mellow pilot
its this better than ferocity?
compact rampart
srry
inland gale
People don’t join low keys bruh
My priest did own key from a 2 to a 10 this week I’m sure you can manage. All filled relatively fast
gentle frigate
Shadow or healer
inland gale
Shadow or healer
Shadow
gentle frigate
Ok
full vapor
whats a good benchmark for single target dps on each sepc?
full vapor
People don’t join low keys bruh
me and my friend get low keys filled pretty quickly
mellow pilot
whats a good benchmark for single target dps on each sepc?
You can sim it
full vapor
You can sim it
im pretty new to wow, what does that mean?
mellow pilot
Oh... Tldr there's an website that can simulate stuff like what you just asked.
Raidbots.com, you'll need an addon named simulationcraft
There's more to it but I can't explain everything rn
full vapor
alright thanks, i'll check it out once the server is back up
inland gale
!simguide
ionic forumBOT
Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights
For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.
inland gale
alright thanks, i'll check it out once the server is back up
Check that link
trail stream
!up
ionic forumBOT
gentle frigate
Wonder where I should start if I just hit 90
still topaz
Hey, noob question, but how do we turn hero track items into myth track items? Looking at the sub bis guide, it has Rigid Scale Greatcloak from Skyreach at Myth 6/6, but mythic keys don't give myth track items.
rare ivy
You get only from the vault
still topaz
Ah ok, thank you.
astral path
is crown or beloren easier on heroic?
for a guild mainly consisting of average to below average players
turbid heron
I'd say maybe beloren slightly bit easier but relatively same difficulty
novel cipher
they're very close but beloren is less raid comp fickle unless I missed something
vs
terse torrent
vs
Can you compare only egg dmg?
Because HC is being cheesed by 2/2/22 comps and a lot of the time you hold dmg
gentle frigate
Who tf sorts by all percentiles
tough swallow
Who tf sorts by all percentiles
it is the default view
gentle frigate
Oh I always sorted by 90th up
autumn pier
when do we get the 4th catalyst charge?
noble kestrel
With this reset.
autumn pier
huh i only have 3. how do i get the 4th?
mellow pilot
2k io
upper veldt
