if you don't want to invest time, assassiantion still performs well and you likely already know it becuase it was the only played spec in m+ for 3 or 4 seasons now
#wow-general
tough swallow
soft wasp
i think i play all rogue specs good enough (thanks to this wonderful discord :))
tough swallow
it is also possible that it will be split long term
soft wasp
but yeah i need some time to get used to sub again
tough swallow
where subtlety/assassiantion is better depending on the key
when was the last time you played it?
soft wasp
like seriously ? i think it was DF, since i just tested it and did some keys sometimes, but i didn't main it at all
tough swallow
i just asked, because i could quickly summarize you the change if it was recently
DF had 2 very diffrent iterations to the current one, and even the 10.2 version played a bit diffrent to how we play now but closesr
at least we don't have dust anymore, which simplifies a lot of things
surreal void
gah annoying, my rogue got myth shoulders in vault. he has champion tier atm. i can obtain 4pc as long as i ignore the myth shoulders and just leave them in my bag for 2 more weeks i guess
formal fulcrum
gah annoying, my rogue got myth shoulders in vault. he has champion tier atm. i ...
Can’t you catalyze mythic shoulders
surreal void
Can’t you catalyze mythic shoulders
i can, but since i already have tier shoulders as champion. i would be doubling up and losing my chance at 4pc
mellow pilot
i can, but since i already have tier shoulders as champion. i would be doubling ...
don't you have 4 catalyst charges
surreal void
with 2k io, yes. one is already spent on legs
mellow pilot
then you have in theory 3 left
mellow pilot
yeah i just did the maths
formal fulcrum
So you can turn your shoulders into mythic tier when you hit 2k io that’s easy isn’t it
mellow pilot
theres a total of 3 charges atm with 2k io
he has shoulders + pants and 2 charges left
formal fulcrum
Oh fk
surreal void
the pants are included in a spent charge
the shoulders were vault opened(tier, non myth)
mellow pilot
Run lfr / normal first
surreal void
so with the vault item, plus correct tier slot catalyzing. i can obtain 4pc
as long as i dont spend another charge on my myth shoulders
if i spend another catalyst charge on myth shoulders, i fall short to 3pc
surreal void
thats the plan for now, if all else fails ill just catalyst myth shoulders in 2 weeks and be slightly behind
formal fulcrum
Idk I’m still running old 4 piece until I can get guaranteed 4 piece. Probably when I open vault today I can get it
Without wasting charges
surreal void
my rogue was an alt, so his old 4pc was 649/652 junk. new 2pc beat it in sims iirc at 694+
formal fulcrum
I always look at end of patch when making vault choices tho some people just want more power this week
Tier is better this week but myth shoulders is used all patch so pick what you want
surreal void
yeah, ill settle for later on too. rather have a myth item
i could have taken a vet track LFR tier chest and made 4pc. but lose out on myth shoulders? naw
upper veldt
with 2k io, yes. one is already spent on legs
we get a charge once achieving 2k m+ rio?
surreal void
yep, that or heroic dimensius kill i think
i think thats like all 7s or 8s right now? unsure
upper veldt
didnt get one
surreal void
its an item that goes into your bag slots
click it to open, gain a charge
void splinter, void something
mellow pilot
didnt get one
its in your bag
upper veldt
naaah
surreal void
should go into your bag instantly, no relog required
mellow pilot
how many charges do you have rn
upper veldt
zerooo
upper veldt
unoooo
upper veldt
threee - yooo
mellow pilot
We'll go back to finding that missing shard once you're sober xD
mellow pilot
Open a ticket
upper veldt
also for me it says 13/8/25 but I got it today as you know x)
mellow pilot
also for me it says 13/8/25 but I got it today as you know x)
send a ticket for real
explain the situation
night pier
I hate how parry is still a thing
Like what the fuck
11+ million flanking getting parried
novel cipher
just play trickster sub and never get parried ever!
also holy variance 3.3m <-> 11.8m
night pier
also holy variance 3.3m <-> 11.8m
Yea, Flanking strike isn't 1 attack, it's 2
One hit from my pet, one hit from me
Due to buff shenanigans the pet hits much harder
novel cipher
I see
late patrol
What does Blizzard have against Blood Elves man, I was trying to get a title, and the only title that's in any way tied to them is "of the Shattered Sun", and even then it's not really tied to them
And it requires doing dailies from TBC to get
Actually, there is "of Silvermoon"
hearty fog
What does Blizzard have against Blood Elves man, I was trying to get a title, an...
they're getting an entire expansion for themselvex next year
plush dune
yeah i think you'll have plenty of chances
at some more blood elf stuff next expac lmao
late patrol
they're getting an entire expansion for themselvex next year
I know, that's why I started playing again
Not a lot could have convinced me to
The past few expansions have been merely a setback
tiny forge
did anyone else get an update pushed to them but battle.net wont let them update anything?
upper veldt
!up
ionic forumBOT
lapis bolt
hey guys, which spec should i play with my rogue ? ~~
Idk what to play actually, assa's good but sub seems better
noble kestrel
The one you like the most
lapis bolt
Would like to learn sub but isn't it hard ?
wide stump
does anyone know if unyielding netherprism is having issues in sims? it is showing as a dps loss compared to my hero forge/hero lily in 1 target and 5 targets - just wanna make sure befofre i take myth pace out of my vault instead
pure lion
None of them are hard. Outlaw does require a lot of CPM though.
lapis bolt
Okay, thx
noble kestrel
Would like to learn sub but isn't it hard ?
Sub isn't hard. It's complex. You've got to learn some relatively involved rules about when to do stuff, and the why of doing stuff. But once you learn those? It's a relatively easy spec to play.
lapis bolt
okay, got it
vestal latch
Hello guys, i'm looking for help for my vault. i can have Antenna and Eternal weave in my vault. I play Assa and would like to learn and play sub, do u have any recommandation ?
wow head only talk about raid so i don't know if it's the same trinket bis in M+
glad harness
vestal latch
https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910
I wasn't asking who had the most value for me. I was asking who is more bis in M+
glad harness
So sim m+?
Considering there is no such thing as bis for m+ as it varies from build to build, dungeon pull set, your party composition..
I could have just stopped at "there is no such thing as bis", but anyways.
inland garden
long crag
warm pagoda
REAL
kindred verge
Is smooth motion worth turning on for 40+ seri s Nvidia cards
trail stream
yes, it works so good dude
on a 240hz monitor I have my fps cap at 100 so 200 with smooth motion and raids have never been smoother
there's no input lag to be felt or anything like that
the idea is to cap fps well below what your CPU can handle at 100% so it has more breathing room for all the addon and weakaura bullshit in raids so the gameplay can stay smooth
hearty tartan
What's the best energy/combo points weakaura? I usually make my own but when it comes to this i'd like to pull it from elsewhere. I know theres a lot of cp prediction tracking n stuff, atleast for sub
warm pagoda
What's the best energy/combo points weakaura? I usually make my own but when it ...
If you go into the individual spec channels and type !wa you should get a list of auras
Beet is personal preference but have a look at the ones that show up and see what you vibe with
hearty tartan
tysm
soft cipher
What do you sim as outlaw for m+? Dungeon slice ? Patchwork ? Hectoc add cleave
soft cipher
cant chose between unyealding and so'leahs , soleahs sim really high but want to know whats really best for pushing keys
worldly bane
How many Ethereal Voidsplinter can you have this week? is it 3?
wild rover
For the people swapping between assassination and sub depending on the fight in mythic, do you have two sets of gear or is the DPS loss pretty minimal despite the stat weights being pretty different?
tough swallow
cant chose between unyealding and so'leahs , soleahs sim really high but want to...
I make your decision a little bit harder even, you can sim diffrent stats on soleah my pasting this below your /simc in advanced sim
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=haste"
profileset."vers"+="trinket1=soleahs_secret_technique,id=190958,ilevel=723"
profileset."vers"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=versatility"
profileset."mastery"+="trinket1=soleahs_secret_technique,id=190958,ilevel=723"
profileset."mastery"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=mastery"
profileset."crit"+="trinket1=soleahs_secret_technique,id=190958,ilevel=723"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=crit"```if you do so, make sure to have the first trinket slot the trinket you want to compare again
and change ilevel=723 to the item level you want to compare to
dusky shore
Someone has the aura to track the afflix?
wicked night
how much gold has jpc spent on gear so far this tier?
mellow pilot
For the people swapping between assassination and sub depending on the fight in ...
the weights arent pretty different tho
Assa can use pretty much everything sub wants
wild rover
the weights arent pretty different tho
Simcraft may be wrong then, although, I guess if you're aiming for anything but 90%+ parses it probably doesn't matter at all, likely a small 1-3% dps difference
wild rover
??? people use other things than simulationcraft nowadays?
I've used it since like TBC lmao
wild rover
idk what you mean but I install simulationcraft directly and run it after every patch
mellow pilot
patch?
you need to run simulations basically with every new item
idk how you're simming but i don't think you're doing it the right way
wild rover
simulatiocraft is a tool that you install that updates every patch that you have to reinstall...
valid dune
simulatiocraft is a tool that you install that updates every patch that you have...
raidbots is browser based simc
wild rover
I'm confused, I've never heard of people using anything other than simulationcraft seriously
valid dune
so you don't have to reinstall it
valid dune
It get's weekly updates for class APIs
you use the /simc addon data in the top gear section of the website to compare items in your bags / ones you think you might get.
wild rover
well regardless, the top people on murlok and the top people on raid sims all use different stats between sub and assassination
in both m+ and raid
wild rover
bruh what
that makes no sense, if I'm 709 trying to compete with the top players I'm gonna look at their stat weights
who else would I look at
mellow pilot
I'm starting to believe you also believe in BiS lists and what streamers say
wild rover
are you saying I should look at people worse than me that are not even in mythic raid?
idk what you're even saying
mellow pilot
xD
Im telling you copying someone stats is a mistake
because you don't have their gear most likely
valid dune
wild rover
I have their gear, almost 1:1
valid dune
Just put your simc data into this website
wild rover
I'm 3/8M lol
valid dune
you can skip using the desktop app
mellow pilot
is that supposed to be impressive or
wild rover
alright I'm gonna look for a proper discord for my questions lol, ty though
mellow pilot
cheers
FYI you sim your bags and the items you have and wait for the computer to tell you whats the best combination possible for the most amount of dmg
Probably the top rogues did the same with the items they have on their bags
woeful geyser
gotta love FotM rollers
valid dune
gotta love FotM rollers
3/8m btw
graceful notch
Wow question: do yall think a 3 hour raid with coms muted is worth watching?
noble kestrel
no
graceful notch
Im thinking the same
Like, any difficult content in any game the coms are duper important
valid dune
Are they making a rwf movie or something?
graceful notch
No idea
Im just trying to get more opinions atm and figure out my next move
Real Gs move in silence like lasagna
novel cipher
Nope
What's the point if you have no context
It just becomes a binary did the boss die yes or no
surreal void
oh god, i just tried LFR dimensius
NOPE
too early in the season perhaps. once 6 people can carry it at the end like DF razsageth maybe
valid dune
oh god, i just tried LFR dimensius
If you queue up with 5-7 people who know how to carry enough people through P1 it might be okay
surreal void
i dont even know the fight myself, but we got past the flying phase with like 11 people. but the tanks were all dead when we landed
thorny widget
does the cloak have weird scaling in open world?
woeful geyser
openworld is in general always a bit weird with its scaling
haughty kelp
guys i love healing
fierce badger
likely a stupid question, but does evasion allow you to solo soak the gold on the mail boss in streets of wonder?
twilit thicket
Hey guys, logging hurts my fps and my input latency a ton, you guys know if it's a hard drive cap or CPU ?
somber idol
For the people swapping between assassination and sub depending on the fight in ...
i just swap belt socket thing and 1 ring
heavy crit to heavy vers
both have mastery
blazing prism
likely a stupid question, but does evasion allow you to solo soak the gold on th...
No. I think it worked in shadowlands but it definitely does NOT anymore.
strong furnace
that makes no sense, if I'm 709 trying to compete with the top players I'm gonna...
stat weights are specific for you bro, just sim.. and to answer your other question. Yes after simming both specs I've ended up with somewhat different gear sets for sub and assass
surreal agate
does the cloak have weird scaling in open world?
It's a bunch of burst damage, so in open world where it one shots mobs it's going to look like a ton bc your other abilities do 0 damage in the 1gcd you hit the enemy for
fringe umbra
Open world is also janky as hell
A bunch of spells just do insane damage for "no reason", like shadow blades or sanguine blades
late patrol
istfg
Can I please play the game
I was in dalaran, northrend yesterday, disconnected like 8 times in a row, I thought it was due to maintenance or something, because a lot of my macros I had altered and some other settings rolled back
Now I can no longer play the game normally
mellow pilot
are you na or?
late patrol
NA
mellow pilot
No idea then, im EU
turbid notch
On Nexus King, does Banishment bait the Besiege breaths? Guild is having a discussion about that
novel cipher
No it's just a simple dot the breaths go along the direction of the little dragon swipe lines
The ones people should be moving out parallel to the group
Forgive me for this korea but this is what those little scratch lines should look like:
🇰🇷
hearty fog
turbid notch
lol ty
whole rampart
dreamy helm
plush dune
!up
ionic forumBOT
broken hornet
After trying outlaw since start of the season should i try assa or sub next?
dapper cave
Hey guys can someone explain something to me please ? how come each website gives different Tier lists ? i checked Warcraft Logs , Archon and U.GG for rogue and they are all different
warm pagoda
Hey guys can someone explain something to me please ? how come each website give...
Because tier lists are subjective
strong furnace
Hey guys can someone explain something to me please ? how come each website give...
archon only goes by classes played rather than performance I think
logs for dmg and idk what u.gg is doing
dapper cave
ah okay so they don't all show the same stats from warcraft logs i just checked Wowhead and i think U.GG gets their tier list from there
zealous halo
that wcl thing you are showing is points btw
so its kidna irrelevant
just a io ranking
broken hornet
And that blue table says it focuses on dps and hps which might not be the reason something is brought to a key
broken hornet
If you want to play meta i think archon gives you that info as others go there looking for the same answer
Not saying its good info or anything tho
zealous halo
ohhh yeah i never read that
anyway its just assa>=sub (sub will be better in keys like dawn and street for ex) >>> outlul
dapper cave
Been playing Outlaw at first cuz i was nostalgic but then i thought about switching and i didn't know which one will underperform
dapper cave
anyway its just assa>=sub (sub will be better in keys like dawn and street for e...
thanks for clarifying 😄
hearty fog
Been playing Outlaw at first cuz i was nostalgic but then i thought about switch...
play whatever you have the most fun on
specs are close enough within each other that it's fine
broken hornet
Outlaw is fun when its fun
glad harness
So never 
unreal gulch
So never <:PEPELAUGH:1323884624966975558>
I held it back
But you just couldnt resist
nocturne dock
any1 knows if killing soulbinder also unlocks loom loot in vault?
noble kestrel
It should do, yeah
idle crown
!fuu
ionic forumBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
hearty fog
any1 knows if killing soulbinder also unlocks loom loot in vault?
can confirm someone got mythic antenna with leech without us killing loomi
nocturne dock
thank you
sour patrol
I need to transmog as Valeera for Midnight 
shy crater
guys hello. i am a returning player and i used to play outlaw. havent played for years. should i pick outlaw or assasination? Since its been a while i thought why not change my spec. what do you suggest?
mellow pilot
I suggest you to have fun and pick the one you feel like playing
That's the best way of playing
sour patrol
mellow pilot
<:sweaties:1351578208989876245>
Don't do this to yourself
The more you look at it the more you want it
Jesus Christ I want it so badly
woeful geyser
Delves are going to be fun
brother
its still delves 
novel cipher
*Jesus Christ I want it so badly*
Down bad for delves
mellow pilot
Yes
somber idol
*Jesus Christ I want it so badly*
calling her "it" smh
plush marten
guys whats the best spec for mythic + ¿
upper veldt
guys whats the best spec for mythic + ¿
yes
plush marten
assa or subtely ?
woeful geyser
elemental
upper veldt
yesss
tough swallow
assa or subtely ?
why not both
plush marten
i want to mastery one i am new player with rogue
upper veldt
then try all 3 specs and see which one you like the most
somber idol
i want to mastery one i am new player with rogue
sub is imo the most allrounder atm
assa is great overall too
just low boss damage in dungeons if you dont have funnel
i would take the chance to learn sub, been a while since sub was good in keys
or comparable to assa rather*
sand hemlock
sub is imo the most allrounder atm
which would you say is the easiest to learn for a new rogue player?
somber idol
which would you say is the easiest to learn for a new rogue player?
assa is omega afk in raid
and sub is easier in m+ imo
both are no too hard tho
sand hemlock
what do you mean afk? sorry
somber idol
primal delta
beginner friendliest spec? (pref pvp)
mossy cloud
dont talk to me or my son ever again
mossy cloud
beginner friendliest spec? (pref pvp)
ret paladin
primal delta
ret paladin
the question was rogue based lol mb ngl
lunar nexus
Ret has combo points, its mostly the same
shadow vault
hey yall, is there a macro i can create that changes skill used if i talent different?
shadow vault
ah so i have to get an extra addon?
novel cipher
no, by 'mod' I mean modifier
shadow vault
ah 😄
novel cipher
a quick google search returns an example like:
/cast [mod:Shift] Rapture;[talent:6/2] Divine Star;[talent:6/3] Halo let me see if I can find the same thing for rogue
it's something like row and then position but I'm not a macro expert
novel cipher
that should at least get you on the right track assuming it still works 😄
shadow vault
jau danke dir! 🙂
novel cipher
jau danke dir! 🙂
looks like they've made big improvements that don't require so much digging in talent trees. They must have added [known:spellnameorID] when I wasn't looking because I just tested the following macro and it worked:
#showtooltip /cast [known:cold blood]cold blood; [known:thistle tea]thistle tea;
not that I would personally use that particular macro but if you wanted to macro two completely separate abilities in different positions to the same keybind depending on whether or not you took the talents you can apparently do that
hearty tartan
Anyone have an idea why my mouseover step macros require me to click on a target?
I think it has something to do with a game setting. I noticed that arcane intellect was doing it instead of default casting to player or whatever.
novel cipher
I just tested the following and it worked just fine:
#showtooltip /cast [@mouseover,exists]shadowstep; shadowstep
that way it's conditional that if you have a mouseover it prefers that but if you don't it's just your target. I did it without any target
hearty tartan
Yeah that one works. The other one I got somewhere wasnt
theres so many syntax usages out there
Another question i have is why is replicating shadows not casting a 2nd rupture?
novel cipher
I don't have that problem
hearty tartan
i retalent and its fine now
sour patrol
dont talk to me or my son ever again
Sir, your son licked all the bagels in the display case.
molten zinc
@polar arrow
polar arrow
?
eternal star
use those screenshots to check how priests are abusing mc in halls and streets
and soloing the entire key in few minutes
share this because its cringe for spriests to just nuke halls and streets
making spriest extremely mandatory
no cappy
plush dune
plush dune
real
prime torrent
is sub or outlaw the move till Assa is fixed
late patrol
Am I stupid, did they remove Blind?
hearty fog
Am I stupid, did they remove Blind?
its a talent
if youve copied a ST raid build
it wont have it
hearty fog
Oooh I am stupid
we all are brotherman
late patrol
Now that it actually kinda clicked for me a bit and I have my macros set up like an excel spreadsheet my ego is planetary
I went from doing 0 dps to damn near one shotting everything without any gear change basically
mellow pilot
i dont think its because of the macros homie
you're probably just pressing the right buttons
surreal agate
I'm trying to think of wow mechanics/things the community refers to by the name of fights they first appeared on, rn all I can think of is patchwerk fights and blaze lines but I'm sure there have to be more I'm forgetting
hearty fog
kick as an interrupt
fringe umbra
Council fight would be another one, even though a lot of them are literally named council
surreal agate
Oh yeah, I also got council fights
tiny forge
I love raid cause the 400 people get to roll on an item and a half
trail stream
why not both
too much cognitive load
grizzled flint
i see many rogue player in high keys play both sub and assa, why are they switching specs? are they evenly strong?
warm pagoda
They better not make her as annoying as Brann. I swear.
somber idol
i see many rogue player in high keys play both sub and assa, why are they switch...
Dungeons where you cant play funnel into bosses, sub is better
eternal helm
My dream is her mog or a variation on it.
Haha, also fair.
I used to love playing her in HotS
For sure.
noble kestrel
My dream is rogue tank spec
warm pagoda
My dream is rogue tank spec
Or ranged rogue spec
noble kestrel
no, tank spec
warm pagoda
Ranged tank rogue spec
worldly forge
Ok someone needs you two to stop
glad harness
I already envision the chaos when zac realizes they changed outlaw to be a tank spec 
worldly forge
I already envision the chaos when zac realizes they changed outlaw to be a tank ...
You literally have to close outlaw channel
warm pagoda
Ok someone needs you two to stop
Never
Rogue tank would be cool though but then that opens up the possibility of me being made to tank 
misty spade
My dream is rogue tank spec
That does not sound purple 
Also isn’t there a tank spec in SoD ?
worldly forge
yes
misty spade
Is SoD still alive though ? Can’t keep up with the classic things
fervent goblet
can mounts like this from events be obtained?
meager totem
no that event ended a year ago
fervent goblet
so it's just unobtainable at all?
noble kestrel
The event ended, but you can still go get mounts from MoP
You just have to get them to drop natty
meager totem
so it's just unobtainable at all?
the 30 unique arent obtainable
weary cedar
can anyone here recommend a way to sync WTF and interface folders for wow to have them identical on two PCs?
zealous halo
maybe use one drive or smth
i never tried but that prolly works right
or setup a github repo and push everytime there is a change 
wicked night
this is weird.. so my razer naga pro button doesnt work.. the '1' key here (programmed mouse button to hit 1) I am spamming 100% of the time, i am clicking non-stop as you can see sometimes its fine and others it skips maybe a bit here and there and at one point it just straight up wont click for a few seconds...
Im guessing this is hair or something but how the fuck do i take apart the side panels of a mmo razer nage pro? Anyone know? I currently cant play wow lol
unreal gulch
this is weird.. so my razer naga pro button doesnt work.. the '1' key here (prog...
There are quite some Videos n posts about how to do that on Google
wicked night
There are quite some Videos n posts about how to do that on Google <:garf_sit:13...
well yeah also no.. I have done all the stuff it says but I cant find a single video explaining how to open the panel of the mouse.. only the mouse which i dont need to do.. Ive done everything from software to compressed air to slamming the shit against the wall and its driving me insane
unreal gulch
well yeah also no.. I have done all the stuff it says but I cant find a single v...
You usually need to open the whole thing if you want to get to the sidepanels
wicked night
You usually need to open the whole thing if you want to get to the sidepanels
the side panels are removeable
its like this.. i just want to open the actual side panel
that comes off and it seems impossible but surely there is a way
spare ember
its like this.. i just want to open the actual side panel
i stopped buying the removal side panel version, every single one i had came with issues of buttons randomly stopping working.
Sometimes it just required me to remove and reattach the side panel mid boss! and eventually buttons stopped working all together
my experience with it, its that its a shit quality product
wicked night
my experience with it, its that its a shit quality product
this is the verdict I have too.. but unfortunately I dont want to spend £150-200 on a new mouse again.
My friend had one and his side buttons just stopped working within like a week lol
warm pagoda
The razers I've tried in the past haven't been the best quality, they tend to fail sooner than other mice
Which is annoying because the only left handed mmo mouse I can find is bloody Razer
wicked night
I need a mouse that had removeable side panels as i only use the 12 button config for wow and use the 2 buttoon for 99% of my work life etc
id happily swap to logitech or something if i could find one
razer sucks ass
unreal gulch
Deathadder Series never failed me tbf
spare ember
this is the verdict I have too.. but unfortunately I dont want to spend £150-20...
fwiw, im comfortable with naga design, and ive got this one now, used it for 2 years and no issues at all https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0BD5L1ZJQ?ascsubtag=68b1a11ad0278f11de5153f3&tag=52581_iceleads-21&linkCode=osi&th=1
wicked night
Deathadder Series never failed me tbf
i think i have 3 dead deathadders in my draw, the left click broke on all of them lol
warm pagoda
Deathadder Series never failed me tbf
The scrollwheel on them died super quick, but I also used it a bunch in games where I spammed scroll wheel to jump
wicked night
fwiw, im comfortable with naga design, and ive got this one now, used it for 2 y...
weirdly im on that exact page but the naga v2 pro
no idea wtf the difference is atm though for it to be £70 cheaper
spare ember
weirdly im on that exact page but the naga v2 pro
yeah see i had problems with the v2 pro
again its just the removable side panels
they are poorly designed
and break
so i avoid them like the plague
wicked night
yeah see i had problems with the v2 pro
aww the hyperspeed is fixed 12 button?
spare ember
yeah
wicked night
i would need to buy 2 mice if that was the case lol
spare ember
i would need to buy 2 mice if that was the case lol
ah yeah okay, i only play wow, im too old for other games 
wicked night
ah yeah okay, i only play wow, im too old for other games <:OMEGAKEKW:8290511063...
well its also with work etc.. with the mmo mouse panel i legit just click it non-stop cause my brain wont stop and id have to unbind all the keys lol
unreal gulch
that comes off and it seems impossible but surely there is a way
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WqdKcA85_xE&t=220s&pp=2AHcAZACAQ%3D%3D
He just pulls it off
But Google also says smth about potentially needing to remove the Cable for what its worth
wicked night
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WqdKcA85_xE&t=220s&pp=2AHcAZACAQ%3D%3D
He just pul...
i can take the side panel off it to swap
unreal gulch
The scrollwheel on them died super quick, but I also used it a bunch in games wh...
I barely ever use mousewheel
wicked night
i mean i want to OPEN the side panel completely
to see inside it to clean it
see if hair is there etc
unreal gulch
i mean i want to OPEN the side panel completely
Oh ye thats probably not possible
wicked night
there is a little clip/hole that makes me think it is
unreal gulch
There is one in the old razer Black widow Keyboards aswell
wicked night
at this point im willing to just snap the fucker off lol
wicked night
the button works perfectly if i place it in a certain way (not possible if youre going off and onto the button) so clearly something is blocking it
warm pagoda
I barely ever use mousewheel<:garf:1320173032743899157>
I had it bound to jump for bhop things in CS
wicked night
I had it bound to jump for bhop things in CS
this lol
wicked night
fwiw, im comfortable with naga design, and ive got this one now, used it for 2 y...
how annoying or useful are those 2 little buttons on the left click?
spare ember
how annoying or useful are those 2 little buttons on the left click?
i dont use them, and also havent ever misclicked them
wicked night
i dont use them, and also havent ever misclicked them
is it batteries?
i legit just took my massage gun to the side panel and vibrated the shit out of it
and now its working 100% of the time for the last 2 minutes
hmmm
lol
@deft sonnet @analog acorn get in here boys lol
wicked night
legit the difference lol
if this is the case i imagine it was a dog hair or random hair that stopped the censor?
still too scared to go into a key with it, trauma
unreal gulch
Id assume they are optical switches, so could be anything really
Maybe even too much dust
wicked night
i sprayed an entire compressed air into this little fucker
but smashing it with the massage gun at full speed
mouse POV ^
mossy cloud
Sir, your son licked all the bagels in the display case.
he's acoustic 
sour patrol
he's acoustic <:feelscryman:585734081304592385>
I mean, he does act unplugged
mossy cloud
last wadi
do you think razer naga is a improvement?
steep dock
mortal wedge
radiant falcon
How does sin and sub compare to each other in raid?
upper veldt
Sub is very subtle and assa is really assassinous
radiant falcon
Lol suppose that does answer lol
novel cipher
Sub is very subtle and assa is really assassinous
last wadi
my macro for healthpot / HS does is gone - any recommended ?
mellow pilot
aka no filters no pussy HR shit
somber idol
How does sin and sub compare to each other in raid?
assa on pure st tiny bit better, better execute.
sub better if you have cleave or burst aoe or need cds on very specific timers or damage amps
both good on consistent aoe fights
winged tapir
Better question isn’t so much “raid” as which fight in raid. Couple fights favor sub, couple Sin, a couple could go either way
iron wharf
is there a clear definition on feint's dr application(area of effect) damage? like on which spell is feint going to work? I know obvious big aoe counts but is there anyhing else?
glad harness
aka no filters no pussy HR shit
What do you mean by this
edgy nimbus
What do you mean by this
its a mem
fringe umbra
is there a clear definition on feint's dr application(area of effect) damage? li...
No its just a 50/50 on every spell
glad harness
Okay. Haha very funny. Should be a comedian.
fringe umbra
Even big aoes arent always counted as aoe
And singletarget damage over time effects are sometimes counted as aoe
iron wharf
hmm
so there is not like a clear data I can just search on whether this spell is feitn-able or not?
and probably just try it out?
fringe umbra
Nop
iron wharf
this is so messed up lol
mellow pilot
this is so messed up lol<:Cring:879404698900262912>
Idk if this is what you want/need
ember nest
yea like in fractilus the dot from wall break is coded as aoe so feint works i think
iron wharf
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/486284970806083584/1404892529022...
ya this one is cool. Thanks
edgy nimbus
any shadow enjoyers?
covert wolf
any shadow enjoyers?
edgy nimbus
<:peepoyes:585733898881728512>
how is it these days
covert wolf
it's really fun
still bad CC though but other than that having extra shadow crash and better spec tree is really nice
covert wolf
As for which class I'm going to main come Midnight I'm pretty much locked in on rogue, but one thing that I'm not sure of is whether to bother with Legion Remix or not since there isn't that much stuff I care about in it and Midnight comes with a boost so does it really matter logically
bitter siren
Any1 experienced not getting rating in game for a dungeon? Raider.io recognized a EDA 14+ i did 9 hours ago, in game does not?
Well in time^
edgy nimbus
formal fulcrum
Any1 experienced not getting rating in game for a dungeon? Raider.io recognized ...
What do you mean in game
You mean the add-on hasn’t updated your info yet? That’s normal
mellow pilot
Yeah sometimes it takes a while to update
faint bough
As for which class I'm going to main come Midnight I'm pretty much locked in on ...
Damn calling your shot before they even announce anything about classes, huge huevos
neon glen
or insider info 
faint bough
We become kyveza in midnight confirmed
neon glen
you will have to aim your shadow clones like that bike trinket
and they are considered pets
bitter siren
What do you mean in game
Picture to the left shows that the game thinks ive only done 13. Picture to the right shows the run i did earlier today for a 14.
bitter siren
wait was it not in time?
haughty kelp
how many 12s for 3k
spare ember
believe you need 6x13s and 2x12s for 3k
haughty kelp
frick
late patrol
The way the factions are written in current wow is actually atrocious
Is the horde just alliance lite now? Are the only interesting characters we have right now, in the horde, Thrall and Lor'themar?
Hell, even Lor'themar isn't really Horde, because he has barely done anything to "prove" his allegiance, might as well be a third faction
And I bet they are going to end up killing him in Midnight
The council was a mistake
Look at the forsaken, they have gotten the shit end of the stick every expansion, their capital city has been destroyed, they hardly have a leader in that "council"
I either need superhitler to come out of the alliance to justify the horde fighting them, or a for the hore to get a genuine grey morality, strong character leader, like someone who has grievances in the alliance due to how the Forsaken have been treated, to actually give the horde some identity again
They could make Lor'themar warchief, but you know they are not going to do that
Remember what happened to Vol'jin?
woeful geyser
make your pointless faction rants on reddit where people think Red VS Blue is giga important or something like that
idk
nobody cares
late patrol
Is decent writing important?
Horde has been part of the identity of the game since its inception
And frankly they always had more interesting stories than the alliance
and I'm not even a faction fanboy
woeful geyser
going away from "red vs blue where nobody can win because its 50% of the playerbase, so it always ends in nothing really happening" IS something that allows better writing lol
late patrol
That's not what I'm talking about, did you read anything I say? I don't necessarily want there to be major faction conflict
I just need any conflict in general that differentiates the horde from the alliance, it doesn't need to be an all out war
I feel like current stories are simplistic and have very little in terms of moving parts
Give me betrayal, heartbreak, anger
plush dune
horde and alliance have always been fundamentally more alike than they were different anyway
they're both just disparate alliances of different races banding together against whatever the biggest threat is atm
late patrol
The current stories have the roughness of a cue ball
plush dune
whether that was each other or some other outside threat
late patrol
It plays out like fucking avengers
Not a world with multiple factions living their lives
How do you think a forsaken feels right now, in this world, about the horde having a "council"?
with the undercity as a crater
plush dune
i think the forsaken should probably be more worried about the undead elf lady whos opening portals in the sky threatening to consume their world
late patrol
That might be true, if the elf lady wasn't something that was decided by the writers to exist
plush dune
plus we all know sylvanas is coming back anyway
plush dune
the next expansion is about elves
they arent going to just leave out their most famous elf
late patrol
Elf lady was stuck in a dagger for a thousand years or somet shit
late patrol
they arent going to just leave out their most famous elf
Can't we have blood elves instead actually do something
Since what
TBC?
plush dune
both of those things can occur in the same expansion
late patrol
How long they have been edging us about the blood elves actually being properly part of the horde?
Are we going to throw that away because now we have a void elf
Motherfucker, they are going to corrupt the sunwell
aren't they
It's going to flip from light to void
Lor'themar is going to die, liadrin takes his place
And we have some bullshit storyline with Sylvanas, Liadrin and Alleria
While Thrall watches from the back, I see all of it already
woeful geyser
the next expansion is about elves
about elves
in the city of the Windrunners, where the name plays a big role
like, ofc she will play atleast SOME role lol
thinking that she will not is kinda weird
inland gale
about elves
in the city of the Windrunners, where the name plays a big role
li...
World of Windrunners
valid dune
In the past week or two has being in Dornogal made your CPU work harder/ wow use more processing power
oak tartan
Big city hubs always tank the fps so your stuff tries to keep up
valid dune
Big city hubs always tank the fps so your stuff tries to keep up
It's been a distinct difference in the last week or two
Might be since the patch
mild wasp
Lor'themar is going to die, liadrin takes his place
we already watched lor'themar not be the one to die man
if you want to be angry over nothing that's your own decision but like
soyraging like warcraft hasn't been silly as fuck since warcraft 2 is just nonsensical
this was never a grimdark series, you were just a child
warcraft 3-wrath has more poop jokes and "stupid character = funny" writing than serious moments
inland gale
Work is da poop
alpine hollow
What is the best spec to run delves? And what do you use for brann
slim current
we shouldnt vanish the fixate mech of first boss of streets right? just cloak?
plush dune
you can vanish it if you hate your group
inland gale
Only if there’s a moonkin in it
tiny forge
What is the best spec to run delves? And what do you use for brann
Whichever spec you're best at and healer brann
Outlaw gets points for giga mobility I guess.
covert wolf
Damn calling your shot before they even announce anything about classes, huge hu...
maybe, I've never mained rogue per say besides just playing it during Wrath when we were PvPing with my friends. Midnight feels like a perfect fit for rogue, especially a Shal'dorei one
edgy nimbus
has anyone used Whispyr's nameplates for tanking? I really like them for my assa/sub but for tanking I'm not sure how to set up aggro ranges
faint bough
has anyone used Whispyr's nameplates for tanking? I really like them for my assa...
I'd prob just use Jundies og for tanking since whispyr built his off of it
dusty cloud
does anyone have a lisdt of all places you can get coffer keys weekly?
delves so good for early alt gearing but lacking me coffer keys
wicked ginkgo
Anyone else heard of this weird issues: doing dawn breaker and every time I get to the second bomb before the first boss my whole pc crashes. Anyone heard of this before?
upper veldt
does anyone have a lisdt of all places you can get coffer keys weekly?
Pretty much all weekly stuff, chests for 4 weekly keys and doing memories to farm coffer key shards
dusty cloud
tyty
fierce crypt
Does anyone have the spreadsheet that shows what the rogue raid buff works on and what it doesn't, I know there was one for LoU
edgy nimbus
anyone playing havoc alt this season?
trail stream
so annoying when i shadowstep on dimensius P1 after knockback it always puts me in front of him rather than to the side like with other rogues for some reason :p
woeful geyser
shadowstep a teammate?
open lion
does vanish break the root in HM taza ?
novel cipher
Never tried it but imagine it might. Don't know if it reroots you though
I know wraith walk works and I'm pretty sure freedom does too but I'm not sure about one time breaks like vanish, disengage, and tigers lust
brisk sapphire
any dimensius chinese copy pastas?
azure fable
hi new here just had a very quick question, at the start of the xpac i was playing assas and doing fine in mythci but i noticed in raids sub rogues doing better, is it recommended sub for raids now? or am i bad? ty!
mellow pilot
i'm doing better in most fights than the sub rogue on my guild
azure fable
ok ty ill continue as its my favourite just have to improve!
mellow pilot
EZ lets go
warm pagoda
these keys are demonic
me earlier
had a healer die to boss 2 about 6 times
asked them to moonfire the adds for pools on the last boss, 'i don't have it talented', ITS BASELINE. PLEASE.
bleak zealot
sub/assa for m+ ?
mellow pilot
yes
leaden parcel
On Geezle in Floodgate, is the pulsing aoe from the boss the same damage event as the blue lines?
novel cipher
asked them to moonfire the adds for pools on the last boss, 'i don't have it tal...
Crazy. When I have lazy ranged I just give the adds a little zip zap with my crackling jade lightning
warm pagoda
Crazy. When I have lazy ranged I just give the adds a little zip zap with my cra...
I ended up poison knifing them because we had 3 melee
formal rover
im trying to find the weakaura for rogue's combo points that has the red circles, let me know if you have it
glad harness
This discord is not a replacement for group finder
lean fable
This discord is not a replacement for group finder
didnt think that'd count as a group finder?
whats wrong w/ searching for a rogue player to play with in the rogue discord (just wondering)
glad harness
Its not what the discord is for, and not a service we provide.
lean fable
okay my bad then lol
gaunt acorn
Hi guys, can someone advise me? I’m coming back from a long break.. Assa or Sub atm?
amber sparrow
Whatever you like playing more
gaunt acorn
I was playing assa mostly, maybe I should try sub?
late patrol
Did they kill timewalking?
inland gale
No
late patrol
I really don't like the level scaling in retail, or the way they do charging
I'm not a classic andy but like, it's very weird how the game I am playing is not the same game other people are playing, in an MMO
It damn near makes it a single player game with a chatbox
Because the mobs I'm killing are not the same mobs you are if we are different levels
It's not massively multiplayer, it's multiplayer, maybe? But so is a MOBA.
faint bough
It's still an MMO, just much less an RPG over the years
late patrol
It's structured like a pvp or pve multiplayer game, like a MOBA, except you have to go through a single player campaign to get to that part
Maybe I'm just playing the game wrong but I feel like in the world, the world part of "world of warcraft", other players have as much impact as the stains in dark soul
glad harness
!up
ionic forumBOT
burnt magnet
Haven't checked in on rogue in a while, what spec is strong in M+ atm? Are they all equally viable? I tried looking on Raider IO and the top 3 rogues are all different specs
main peak
all can do fine. sub and sin more versatile compwise and have better damage profiles, outlaw requires phys comp for pushing, but is fine in lower keys
late patrol
Is every quest in Khaz Algar "kill these things while helping the injured allies"?
Maybe add fetch a thing also
I feel like I've done back to back quests where it's just killing something while saving earthen npcs
quests had the exact same elementals too
mellow pilot
You're probably doing quests and bonus objectives in the same zone. One is not tied to the other
edgy nimbus
does anyone know how to show who is targeted on SUF
i mean like highlight border whe na player is target by a mechanic or ability
astral lion
If I am crafting both my weapons (sword / dagger) and sword has elemental focusing lens, what should the dagger have? (assuming you shouldn't stack elemental focusing lens)
mellow pilot
If I am crafting both my weapons (sword / dagger) and sword has elemental focusi...
You can't go wrong with two, I believe they stack
astral lion
just confused on what to select for this slot
astral lion
You can't go wrong with two, I believe they stack
ok
oak tartan
Double lens or patch+acension or even the thread are all ok
Embellishment don't really scale with itemlvl at all. Lens does a bit but very minor
faint bough
Difference in embellishment is non consequential these days
paper quartz
I think it would be cool if this discord had a ui channel where people could talk all things addons / weakauras and show their uis
gusty meadow
How are the rogue specs this season on a scale from 1 to 10?
For mythic +10 and below. And heroic raids
mellow pilot
very good
gusty meadow
mellow pilot
Idk what other answer do you want me to give you
for me its a 10/10
but i don't play other classes
gusty meadow
Fair enough
faint bough
How are the rogue specs this season on a scale from 1 to 10?
For mythic +10 and...
Every spec is a 10/10 in those parameters tbh
upper veldt
you said you got prism, I say gz
sour patrol
you said you got prism, I say gz
All that Agi/Str is going to really help
late patrol
Level scaling did irreparable damage to this game, any problems it purports to solve it doesn't, it creates new ones that are worse than the previous issues
No wonder the game isn't getting new players, the new player experience is really bad
And I'm not saying this for me, I'm relatively new still but I already have a high level character
The level experience is busywork to convince you to buy a booster, while before it used to be a main part of the game with depth
late patrol
I know it was, I'm still kinda frustrated about it, I have always been
Classic kinda proved that a proper mmorpg levelling experience is not fully obsolete
I wish they tried to fix this in some experimental "season of discovery" type server
sour patrol
late patrol
Like, you have BFA, but it doesn't suck
sour patrol
Look out, he finna onc
late patrol
When I first started playing, without level scaling, it felt so interesting discovering shit, like, each new zone I unlocked felt impactful, because before I couldn't even touch the zone without dying
mellow pilot
Classic kinda proved that a proper mmorpg levelling experience is not fully obso...
Highly depends on your class
Mages AoE leveled for efficiency
late patrol
I remember going to eastern plaguelands, seeing this weird place with a bunch of undead and instead of a level they had skulls and it had me terrified
I thought they genuinely did not have a level and were like, unkillable for me
I was so satisfying actually be able to go there later, once I had reached 60 to be able to kill them
Or even levelling in Silvermoon, and then going to something like Ghostlands
The current system allows you to "level anywhere" but it really doesn't, because the zones are just the same thing, there is no contrast between them, they are a cardboard background where you'll just be spamming the same ability rotation on a damage sponge, while you are getting weaker instead of stronger
It betrays what an mmorpg is
late patrol
And it sucks there as well
mellow pilot
That's your opinion
late patrol
I mean I suppose, everything is
We would have to see metrics of player retention, feedback, etc. to see what people prefer
mellow pilot
It's literally impossible to have a "classic" experience in current game
late patrol
Is it? I'm genuinely asking because I don't know
Like, I started playing in Shadowlands, before that I played the 20 level trial and wrath of the lich king somewhere else
mellow pilot
Count the number of expansions, the number of zones you could level in
and then think how many levels you can level
late patrol
That has always been true though, obviously you're not going to visit all the content before you hit max level, and an orc is not going to level the same way as a human
The current system doesn't solve this problem at all and in fact makes it worse
mellow pilot
In order to "fix" this you'd need to have a FF14 treatment
late patrol
I'm not familiar, what did they do there?
mellow pilot
you are forced to do the ENTIRE questline from the base game, up every expansion until you are in the official current expansion
mellow pilot
Going thru time
Atm chromie lets you choose an expansion and relive it
and you can go from 1 to 70 there
late patrol
What's stopping them from having a classic style leveling experience and a big fuck off door with "Dragonflight" written in comic sans that says "you have to be lvl 60 to enter"
mellow pilot
what's a classic style leveling
late patrol
Zones that have defined levels, instead of scaling to the level of the player?
late patrol
They already don't, I'm lvl 80 and I've managed to do Isle of Dorn and half of Ringing Deeps
And that is a consequence of them squishing the levels
mellow pilot
there are EXP buffs being applied most likely
problem is that, if they didnt, we'd be level... 150?
late patrol
And it's not like currently it changes anything either, because if I try to level doing say, the Forsaken storylines
I'll be lvl 60, with scaling
before I do like 2-3 zones
So you're not getting the full questline regardless
late patrol
Why
???
Can I disable this?
I suppose it doesn't really matter now that I'm 80 already
mellow pilot
late patrol
Oh nevermind, I don't have that
late patrol
Yes, but before that I didnt have any
late patrol
Yesterday and today
mellow pilot
then no
late patrol
Idk, there has to be a better way. Couldn't you use relative scaling, on "campaign" groups?
It would take some math
But for example, if you are playing the "classic" campaign you have zones that are 25% stronger than where you are at the start, but as you level they start to be less strong to you "base" difficulty?
Until at max level every zone is the same or capped at a level like it is currently?
If you are playing Northrend or Outland you have those campaigns, etc.
By the way, I also think it's kinda dumb that I can go back to other expansions and just decimate them one shotting everything, when the main content that people like about the other expansions is their endgame? Basically, you can "level everywhere" but it's pretty much impossible to play any of the endgame outland, or wotlk content as intended. I can't level there. Imo the end game of other expansions should scale to the currently if we are going to do it that way. People are going to play the new expansion regardless because it's new. Plus it doesn't cheapen the achievements of players who actually got their stuff like mounts properly. Then again at this point the damage is done.
glossy ermine
Are there any gear you can purchase on either a fresh 80 or a main to give to an alt, that unlocks previous tier sets looks(LFR?), can't find anything.. previously it was the island. siren isle
sour patrol
Getting into a 3-boss LFR after the 1st was killed and then killing the other two, and then queueing and waiting for that same LFR wing just to kill the 1st boss, and then leaving after.
Shouldn't give me Deserter.
mellow pilot
Are there any gear you can purchase on either a fresh 80 or a main to give to an...
only for S1 (siren isle), S2 didnt introduce anything like that besides 1/2 items from the rep vendor
glossy ermine
only for S1 (siren isle), S2 didnt introduce anything like that besides 1/2 item...
so I though, just felt I needed to verify 😄
late patrol
Now that I reached 80 and haven't even finished the second zone of the expansion, what should I do, do I just like, go straight into dungeons or should I finish the campaign?
Do I get good gear from it?
Is the story going to go anywhere any time soon? I haven't even seen Xalathath since the starting cutscenes
mellow pilot
What do you want to do?
lost oar
Whats better for M+, Sin or Sub?
mellow pilot
Yes
edgy nimbus
bro is straight up wearing a clown outfit
late patrol
What do you want to do?
I mean, I'm not sure, I don't know too much about the game, so I'd like to be warned if I'm not playing it correctly or wasting my time for one reason or another.
I did want to get the story though, at least the major beats
But it seems like so far it's not really moving anywhere
I also like mount collecting even though I don't have a lot of them, but that's pretty time consuming and it will take time to get hem
mellow pilot
Every start of expansion i usually do the following:
- Complete the main storyline of the area, followed by completing all the side quests of the same area; Repeat until everything is done;
- Work on main professions (LW and BS for me, since im a rogue and i want to craft my own weapons);
- Farm some stupid ass op farm that will be nerfed next week and abuse it for gold for a few hours;
- Farm m+ for some gear but not many bcs i hate it;
- Raid with my guild because it is awesome.
broken hornet
Am i inting progress for my guild because i chose to play outlaw? (We are on araz mythic)
novel cipher
I doubt it
Did they say as much?
Sub and outlaw both seem to be doing comparable damage so if you're a better outlaw than sub or sin then why not just play OL?
haughty kelp
Am i inting progress for my guild because i chose to play outlaw? (We are on ara...
i wouldnt say inting but some specs help solve problem areas on fights better than law
amber sparrow
Am i inting progress for my guild because i chose to play outlaw? (We are on ara...
If you’re not doing tank damage you’re probably fine
surreal agate
I gotta stop reading r/wow
"What do you hate most about wow?"
"I hate the concept of people flaming me for not having a perfect route in a heroic dungeon"
this doesn't happen! They're making shit up to be scared of!
surreal agate
I just don't get how these people keep running into toxic pugs when I so rarely do
ruby totem
This season been kinda wild so far. Been seeing people use 1 button rotation in 12 keys, people taking keys hostage, and people still just logging off when the key doesnt go how they want it, and people generally being an ass because they cant be removed from the key, but its not been THAT much worse than normal tbh. maybe 10% more toxic than last season.
and that only really applies for keys bc the abandon stuff
ruby totem
It really doesnt do anything unfort except make toxic ragers feel like they can be toxic ragers in chat again
and force you to be in group with them for 5 min to wait for a vote or they just jump off soomething over and over to ruin key if vote fails.
hearty fog
It's a bad system
its an absolute garbage system
stoic lake
YOU
hearty fog
WOOO EVASION
riposte my beloved
but yeah
the vote abandon should only exist for keys that are marked "completion"
so people know they are getting into a weekly no leaver
stoic lake
That's how the report functionality was working
Blizz would look and see if it said completion or not
If it didn't and someone left, sucks.
ruby totem
Anyone got the string for simming all the flasks against each other
late patrol
rate my hotbar set up
astral lion
lots of red
late patrol
Yee
I had a full green one but I got bored of it and it didn't look that great so I made a fire one
Could still look a bit better though but I don't feel like bothering currently
late patrol
The writing of this game currently is kinda hard to stomach. It feels written by millenials really into the MCU.
I just watched the cutscene with Magni's fake out death and brother does this have me groaning
There's no edge to any of it
It feels so sanitized, what happened?
I don't care about these characters, they are cardboard. They are either 100% evil or 100% "good", meaning there is hardly any conflict apart from "we have to defeat the bad guy"
astral lion
I don't care about these characters, they are cardboard. They are either 100% ev...
They're stuck between a hard place and a rock trying to salvage the BfA / SL stuff. But yeah with DF onwards there's some weird attempt at disneyfication/marvelversing. The worst recent offender is the whole Faerin questline in Arathi Highlands.
Warcraft was best when its tone and vibe was driven by middle aged metal heads and biker tattoo art. (just my 2 coppers)
late patrol
I'm not even big into that, and it's going to sound weird for me to say it, but it feels like the characters don't have values? They are very shallow, and just overall boring "good people". There's no worrying about honor, loyalty, duty, revenge, fate, there are no character flaws.
They are not relatable, and they are not cool, which they were
Warcraft was always about people going into war in a complex fantasy world with various different moving parts, cultures, etc.
I don't know if it's because they tried to stray away from that in the name of "peace", or if it's a sign of the times, but they've gone a completely different direction
surreal agate
I think part of the problem is that WoW as a game is not set up very well to tell stories
late patrol
I mean, it did
For like a decade
Are you kidding me? You're telling me "no king rules forever my son" is not good storytelling?
People still gas that cinematic up
If anything it's one of the best mediums for storytelling, because storytelling doesn't necessarily just mean cinematics, it's also the world, environment, etc.
surreal agate
like, the writing sucks rn as well
But I think they're at a point in the story where they need to introduce new characters and establish them and get people to care about them, and that's hard when they refuse to force people to listen to conversations while questing, and those conversations themselves suck tbh
I don't think wow has gotten that much worse at environmental storytelling tbh
astral lion
WoW's biggest lore moment payoffs have been set up by WC3 + TFT
late patrol
It has not, the art team kills it every expansion
Say what you will about shadowlands but the zones were fantastic
Revendreth was out of this world
surreal agate
WoW's biggest lore moment payoffs have been set up by WC3 + TFT
Yeah, this is the point I was trying to make. Almost all the iconic moments were pay-offs for prior work
late patrol
But I think the way the game is set up it doesn't give people time to enjoy it?
Because people are just levelling to max as soon as they can
surreal agate
I think wow fails at letting people become invested in characters
late patrol
WoW's biggest lore moment payoffs have been set up by WC3 + TFT
That's fair, but I don't think it's a necessity
People were extremely into Sylvanas as a character
hearty fog
Different from how classic was set up
good thing they've added a game mode called classic wow
late patrol
before BFA
hearty fog
where you can enjoy the levelling experience all over again
hearty fog
yeah it is, but like you've said the game clearly isn't designed around the levelling experience anymore
in fact they've thrown so much in to make levelling as quick as possible
astral lion
- the mmo omits tons of lore events that occur in books and other media - eg. the gap of events between MoP and WoD then Legion to BfA confused the shit out of the general playerbase
hearty fog
the only time you really get the "levelling" experience anymore
with retail wow
is the first week or 2 of a new patch
late patrol
Yes, but doesn't it feel weird to you that most of the effort in making an expansion, that you pay for, is spent making stuff that you are meant to basically speed through?
surreal agate
I do agree that TWW levelling was a bit slow
I think part of the issue is also that they've shifted more of the campaign to being after you hit max level, but then made it optional so most people never do it.
Idk they're in a rough spot where I think a lot of the best things they could do to try to save wow storytelling would be deeply unpopular (they probably have to throw out all the current major characters; probably also need to force actual ff14-style cutscenes where you're locked into them instead of characters having a conversation that you overhear and then go run away and stop hearing it over the sound of killing mobs)
late patrol
Slow? It took me 2-3 days to get 80, from lvl 60
late patrol
I hadn't even finished two zones
hearty fog
yeah but I've stopped caring about the wow storyline
late patrol
when I did
surreal agate
I had finished all the zones
surreal agate
But I felt like it was way faster than I expected
surreal agate
They're just fundamentally telling the story in a way that doesn't work.
late patrol
Yes, because they killed every character that people liked and the new characters are bad
mild wasp
i know people who started playing the game in ~bfa who are super into the story as it stands currently
late patrol
Even if they weren't it would take so much time to set them up
hearty fog
and can't really exist
late patrol
It's not worth it
mild wasp
the mmo experience of 10 years ago
this is 100% true
late patrol
And I don't trust the current writers to write cool characters anymore
Who do we even have left? Anduin? Thrall?
Remember what they did to fucking Vol'Jin?
hearty fog
once you stop caring it becomes a lot easier
late patrol
I'm still mad about that
late patrol
once you stop caring it becomes a lot easier
Why would I play a game I don't care about?
astral lion
because there's more to the game than the lore
Getting Glad / 3K IO every season mainly.
hearty fog
is that weird garnish
that you see on your meal
and you take it off and put it to teh side
hearty fog
Getting Glad / 3K IO every season mainly.
ye i just raid and chill for rest of season
astral lion
Yeah I grew up with Warcraft, I don't consider anything beyond WotLK canon lol, just a spinoff.
hearty fog
i assume you havent done any of the 11.1.5 content
astral lion
Legion wrapped up a lot too.
late patrol
That's strange though, I don't see it that way. People play games for different reasons, and I always thought the "world" in world of warcraft was the main selling point of the game
If I want a competitive experience
I'll just play a MOBA
or something
surreal agate
if I wanted a story I'd play ff14 (and I do sometimes)
hearty fog
where danath trollbane is now all about peace and shit
late patrol
There are other games that do what WoW does
hearty fog
and not rushing to conclusions
late patrol
much better
hearty fog
There are other games that do what WoW does
the raiding experience in wow is pretty unique and top tier
as much as some people shit on it
no other game comes close to matching how good combat feels in wow
surreal agate
wow I love because everything about the game part is incredible. Walking around the world is still incredible, the combat rocks (I love tab target, just really clicks for me), the quests are fun to do
hearty fog
FF is a distant second
surreal agate
But if I want story or I want my character to look good I play ff14
hearty fog
gw2 is off playing in their own sandbox
surreal agate
Ff14 combat feels ass
hearty fog
but memeing on class balance and bugs aside
the fluidity of wow combat is second to none
late patrol
I guess. I'm rather new to the game, all things considered, so maybe I should focus more on the other aspects of it
surreal agate
I agree that I wish wow had a good story
hearty fog
but the story is only one small portion of the game
surreal agate
I don't think the game would somehow be worse off if the story was good
late patrol
but the story is only one small portion of the game
It is, now it is, but at one point that wasn't the case
And it's not just story as in plotline
surreal agate
But I love wow for reasons that aren't the story, so the story being bad hasn't changed my love for wow it just exasperates me
hearty fog
i have low hopes they are setting up something good with this trilogy
surreal agate
I think that was just the era of gaming culture
late patrol
even for raids and other parts of the game
hearty fog
that doesn't seem to be present anymore
it kinda went to the shits in shadowlands
even in bfa
surreal agate
That's not a thing they could have ever have held onto imo
late patrol
I think that was just the era of gaming culture
I don't think so, because I played classic after that culture had already changed
And I still felt it there, as a new player
I didn't grow up with wow
I started playing officially in Shadowlands
or BFA because I had to level in BFA
surreal agate
I only started in legion fwiw
I think part of it is being a new player and everything is incredible to you
The more games I play the more I understand that I can only be a new player in a game once
hearty fog
legion was probably the most recent peak of wow
there was so much cool shit
and a lot of lore culminated there
every class had something special
surreal agate
I think wow rn is really fucking good but it's really good in a fundamentals way rather than a flashy way
And they need to find some flash
hearty fog
and then we got bfa where malfurion somehow gets downed by an axe to the back
late patrol
I genuinely don't think it's a nostalgia thing