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ruby totem
Yeah I mean maybe hes goated but I can tell you it feels shitty as hell to play rn
Yah big crybaby mod fr
little oracle
“My spec went from 3 buttons to 4”
keen merlin
How much am i setting myself back if i craft a non-max ilvl weapon due to not having the gilded crests yet. Or is it just better to wait until you have the gilded crest for max ilvl craft?
ruby totem
“My spec went from 3 buttons to 4”
Unplayable
rare solar
How much am i setting myself back if i craft a non-max ilvl weapon due to not ha...
you set yourself back 60 runed crests which delays you being able to trade em up to gilded
glossy remnant
I don’t think any of you truly understand what 11.2 has done to me. I’m not just upset—this is a spiritual crisis. I dream in Crusader Strike animations. I’ve written love letters to my weapon transmog. I have a framed screenshot of my first ever 99 parse hanging above my bed. When I log in and see my Ret DPS in The War Within, it’s like watching my childhood dog slowly walk into the sea. I can feel my ancestors looking down from the Holy Realm, shaking their heads in shame. I canceled dinner with my mom to run sims. I skipped my cousin’s wedding to grind Sparks. I wore my Legion class hoodie on launch day like it was sacred armor, and now it’s just… sweaty and sad. I pop Avenging Wrath, my wings spread, my monitor glows gold, and I whisper ‘Deus vult’ under my breath… and then my Templar’s Verdict hits for less than a warlock’s sneeze. The Light has forsaken me, but I can’t let go. I won’t let go. I am Ret until my sub runs out or my hands physically fuse with my keyboard
new ret copypasta dropped btw
rancid thistle
Which rogue spec for raids
faint bough
Which rogue spec for raids
yes
visual sigil
night ginkgo
These dudes are such clowns, one time they dont top the boards and its straight to crying
quasi stone
assa looks so fun now, that 3 hour video from you whispyr is goated, very knowledgeable thank you!
ruby totem
This comment got me timed out in the paladin discord
Im about to start flaming the guy who locked the channel
rare solar
why its so funny
surreal void
didnt know this was possible to get double secondary stats? got a trinket with speed and avoidance
footbomb dispenser, maybe it has speed on it by default idk
ruby totem
Ret discord pins be like
upper veldt
Ret discord pins be like
if you post this there you'll get perma banned
night ginkgo
Do it
ruby totem
I dont go in there
Almost as bad as DH discord
Appreciate wowhead not writing 372661 articles about it and ignoring them too
viscid cradle
my life be like
tight edge
thats a grim wa
viscid cradle
upper veldt
I dont go in there
at least we got something new for recap top warcraft memes 2025
trail crag
ruby totem
Ah yeah they timed me out
For saying "mods be like surely if I lock this non blizzard affiliated discord that blizzard will give me what I want" 
I sense a new paladin discord not run by morons is needed at this rate
What a wild power trip
I appreciate the mods here a bit more
eternal star
😭
rets 😭
my class bad im gonna delete discord + my wow char and unsub.....
waaaa
ruby totem
Yah they are just banning anyone who is critical of the (bad) choice they made
I love ret but I hope blizzard nerfs them as a result
eternal star
I love ret but I hope blizzard nerfs them as a result
they wont
best they can do is to just ignore them lmao
which i think is the right thing to do
new expac inc everyone knows no hero talents are getting reworked
ruby totem
Prob just tripling down on hero talents
ruby totem
They locked the ret channels to protest the poor tuning
Just the guide writer being a man baby
inland gale
Week one tuning 
eternal star
brazen python
Which spec should I be taking into delves?
mellow pilot
whichever one you play better
ivory fern
ruby totem
gentle cloak
Ret discord pins be like
What in the goddamn 
mighty hatch
I sense a new paladin discord not run by morons is needed at this rate
SHH
tho that might not happen
No good ret paladins
And I’m not gonna fucking doing
The idea was thrown around tho
mighty hatch
I mean
Outlaw
Outlaw has to be put in slowmode everytime it gets buffed
Cause the buff is bad
But still, the idea is there it just no point to do it yet
ruby totem
Yes but the mods don't ban people for being critical of it
mighty hatch
Ya idk why staff is doing that
They open pandora box
And now they can’t close it
So they gotta mod somehow
I know
Everyone banned will be unbanned later
When things calm down
I still think they should have @ everyone
Just get it over with
ruby totem
Just shut down the whole discord
mighty hatch
No?
Prot and holy should suffer cause ret is being dentge
Also prot and holy agree with this as well
ruby totem
Open one with mods that don't crash out over being poorly tuned
mighty hatch
So this is the most united I’ve seen paladin community as a whole
It’s not just being poorly tuned
It’s like outlaws situation
But ya know
Rets lashed out while outlaw keeps their cringe self contained
ruby totem
I mean im maining ret and don't disagree but this is a total overreaction
mighty hatch
Herald is tank damage
Has gigA bugs
And all feedback ignored
All direct dev feedback ignored
Forum post ignored
ruby totem
Yah I mean feeling upset is justified
ruby totem
Reacting like this is not
round ledge
whats the best way for solo rogues to do t11? do you always tricks brann and what is heal or dps best brann if you do that strategy?
mighty hatch
I agree
Fyi
Half measures suck
Should have unleashed Pandora’s box with @ everyone
Anywho that’s the context
Whether or not agree is whatever
I’m off to other places
ruby totem
I mean i think that clearly blizzard has done a poor job with the mega heavy handed hammer nerf
mighty hatch
Balancing this patch sucks aids
Half the specs sim less than 5.5 and the other half is above 6mil
ruby totem
Yah. I mean tww was the "b" team expac brought to you by the fine gentleman who made shadowlands
Not sure what people expected
mighty hatch
Yep
glad harness
Keep the memes where they belong. ( #off-topic )
woeful geyser
whats the best way for solo rogues to do t11? do you always tricks brann and wha...
dps is always heal brann
and then pick up heal pots
thats it
tricks on brann always felt like inting tbh, cus he just dies
and if you collect the heal potions once in a while, you are literally immortal
ember basin
Friend
novel cipher
LOL just announced ret paladin buffs
can we just shut down our class discord and whine until we get a 5% buff?
surreal void
is there a decent m+ s3 dungeon guide refresher out somewhere? found a few but i know there was some better detailed ones like mythic trap before
stone gorge
Guys any of you running floodgate for items experience only getting the trinket to drop? Ive done 20 floodgates and i got 8x seaforium. It's starting to get a little sus.. No other drops seen for rogue.
Im assa lootspec just to specify
ruby totem
alright so when are we locking the outlaw channel
Apparently blizzard will negotiate with terrorists now
devout laurel
Damn even Dratnos is calling for Rogues to shutdown the discord until we get some buff 
valid dune
Isn't sin pumping?
bold dagger
Shut it down until Outlaw gets uncapped AoE
woeful geyser
Shut it down until Outlaw gets uncapped AoE
cap outlaw more
meager totem
you are not very smart if you think they got buffed because of that
ruby totem
to be fair we are bad rn but thats not the way to do it
ember nest
paladin was ass for like almost 9 years tho
meager totem
bro said paladin
quasi galleon
Does anyone have the handy itemlevel/breakpoints picture for this season for pve content
ember nest
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quasi galleon
bless thanks Hacha
meager totem
before dragonflight
ember nest
if we only talk raiding
from vanilla all the way to WoD
kinda
there were times where you could play it but it was not amazing
although at the end of WoD any class blasted
well lots of times you literally ran out of mana
and had to change seals
until wrath then seal of blood and whatever came
most people are that vengeful
surreal agate
Yeah idk if you can say paladin has always been good.
Mage has but not paladin
lament island
Sorry don't know if it's already a topic but I just restarted and my stealth keep stoping randomly, is it a known bug or am I dumb and I do something wrong ?
indigo blade
guys what is the best spec for raid rn?
indigo blade
hallow hinge
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lament island
Unequip your intellect dagger
I was just dumb then, thanks a lot
last fiber
Thank you guys for not being crybabies
hearty fog
Thank you guys for not being crybabies
we are, blizzard just doesnt listen to the forgotten middle child
vernal frigate
idk how I landed here but I guess it's my new hangout spot
ember nest
40% goat
tiny forge
thats not how it works
You know they'll do a victory lap though if ret ever does get some meaningful buffs.
hearty fog
idk how I landed here but I guess it's my new hangout spot
hows it hanging
celest heart
yoo i'm sure this convo has happened but I couldn't find it
quit rogue after maining it for a decade after S1, but the itch is hitting again. Which spec is recommended for m+? Probably sin right?
thorny loom
rogue not in RWF team comp, is rogue dead?
formal fulcrum
Yeh blizz plz buff assa or its over
thorny loom
welp guess rogue is dead because it's not in RWF
brave island
no rogue in RWF lock the channels
proven ridge
yo wheres the rogue what the
meager totem
first few bosses are always about loot optimizations
brave island
isn't first boss ring bis
meager totem
yes for probably half the raid
brave island
ahhhhh
thorny loom
rogue is not good enough even with the 3% dr
plush dune
ye i mean need a rogue for the dagger boss
brave island
does he survive through next boss
brave island
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hearty fog
is this the amp damage that was promised to make sub viable
noble kestrel
Big cleave fight, could be good as sub
oh, they're doing forge, not soulbinder, nvm.
maybe big amp boss
plush dune
atro works on nothing on araz they drop for something better lmao
surely
exile did get big daggy though
noble kestrel
huge daggy
surreal agate
hunter and rogue dropped for a 4th boss 
@ blizzard buff raid buffs they're clearly not working smh
#atrophicisnotaraidbuff
trail stream
guys how do I have 2 catalyst charges? I had some void thing in my inventory that gave me the 2nd one but I don't have 2500 rio yet, do you get another at 2500?
plush dune
its 2k not 2500
trail stream
ahhh kk thx
tight stratus
anyone had a weird bug where their reshii wraps was not put in their bag? just finished the quest and its missing
nvm, relogging fixed
void sphinx
question besides sin, what other melees have it the easiest finding m+ grps to join without ahving 4million rio?
BM/shadow/warlock would be ranged alternatives
noble kestrel
If you want an easier time pugging you can try including something in your note. It makes you stand out. But typically it will always just be Score + iLevel = experience. I'm gonna take the guy with the highest iLevel, the best score if they have the experience for the content I'm looking for.
static epoch
maybe we need to learn cloning
if you want to emulate ret
you don't need cloning
you need clowning
gentle vale
pure curiousity
what would you do if your tank chain the boss without giving you window to stealth
if you are playing assa
woeful geyser
nothing, because it doesnt change much
glad harness
Do your rotation
gentle vale
if your tank keep chaining whole key you not even ask him do not chain please?
gentle vale
cause you lost much dmg and wont make the key end fast
hello?
have you ever count how much dmg assa can do in first 12 sec window, do you really think waiting 3 secs not worth it?
noble kestrel
If the tank is properly chaining then I'd be real happy 'cos it's mean higher overall and quicker dungeon
If they can't chain properly then I don't care and I just play my rotation and do my best.
gentle vale
I am talking about from first pull till the first boss been killed, I never been in stealth once
woeful geyser
if you think purposfully slowing down for 1 guy doing SLIGHLY more dmg (when they have multiple tools around it anyway) is a good call
idk
thats a big lack of understanding the spec and how m+ as a group functions in general
woeful geyser
I am talking about from first pull till the first boss been killed, I never been...
stop making shit up
thats not real
idk why so many act like it is
thats not a real thing
noble kestrel
Tryan is 100% correct.
woeful geyser
noble kestrel
I had a tank who was chaining with shit 1% left constantly and it's still a "lol oh well"
Who cares, play the key. Push buttons.
hearty fog
yeah just seethe and cope
pseudo urchin
i need some help from the weakaura connoisseurs. how do i make so the weakaura doesnt appear "grey" when im out of combat and just dissappear but appears grey when im in combat and its not applied?
scenic flame
Is there a bugg with phase diving, I do not get the action-button to go into phase diving? Somebody knows the problem?
I have the quest "More than just a phase" complete activities while phase diving in untethered space on Karesh
scenic flame
I can also not click on it
I never got the quest to clear the dangeurs-phase diving monsters on the primus island on this char, I just got the "More then just a Phase" quest
upbeat mauve
Any m+'r assassins that wouldn't mind answering a few questions?
neon glen
i need some help from the weakaura connoisseurs. how do i make so the weakaura d...
conditions -> if trigger active false Then Desaturate ON. And in the load conditions click in combat twice to say Not In Combat
pseudo urchin
conditions -> if trigger active false Then Desaturate ON. And in the load condit...
fixed it. ty
tidal monolith
What would you prefer Assa or Outlaw for M+?
mellow pilot
assa
quartz quail
How do you guys decide which spec to play?
I am having so much difficulty deciding. There are things I like about all three and things I dislike.
I spend almost more time switching specs than playing lol.
glad harness
Get a dartboard, throw a dart. Its that easy.
quartz quail
Hahah yeah that's true
warm pagoda
wicked night
At least 3 pixels
neon glen
scenic flame
I want to craft a pvp ring with vers and mastery, so I bought the Draconic Missive, but I cant select it, what did i do wrong?
mellow pilot
turn out shit?
you dont even need to buy max quality items
since the pvp item itself will be max ilvl in pvp scenarios
scenic flame
but I will use it for all world pve stuff (in warmode)
fervent ibex
but I will use it for all world pve stuff (in warmode)
warmode pvp combat is still pvp combat
it will literally only matter for shit like fighting mobs/world boss so it just doesn't really matter at all
scenic flame
what I mean is, doing pve while wearing pvp gear, because its in warmode
fervent ibex
yeah, you're going to blow up any open world mobs regardless of the pve ilvl of your pvp gear
would just spend way less on r1 mats
gleaming pine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156701568155009025/1406258020102574080/i...
Ret discord drama is so funny lol
edgy nimbus
is boomkin dead this patch?
gritty dune
its been dead since SL i feel
sometimes they dig one up from the graveyard so it can buff motw if guardian/restodruid are trash.
edgy nimbus
its been dead since SL i feel
weren't they giga good in high kleys last
gritty dune
no clue sorry 🙁
mortal wedge
Ret discord drama is so funny lol
we dont get it they just got a vendetta vs dk
Rivalry more ancient then time as far as wow is concerend you know
formal fulcrum
is boomkin dead this patch?
Their toolkit is too good so if their damage is ever even okay then they’re meta contenders
woeful geyser
its been dead since SL i feel
good
edgy nimbus
Their toolkit is too good so if their damage is ever even okay then they’re meta...
is their aoe bad?
ripe remnant
Does anyone know of any addons that will tell me what my current watermark is for each item slot?
meager totem
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deep fossil
guys quick question lets say i play 1 dungeon m6 and then same dungeon m7 can i get rewards or is it 1 time per dungeon
cause i dont seem to get anything
am i that unlucky
noble kestrel
M+ doesn't have a loot lock. Every dungeon has a chance. It's just RNG if it's a drop for you or not.
deep fossil
im that unlucky thanks 😛
ember nest
yea today i have had 0 loot
dreamy quarry
yea today i have had 0 loot
Sounds normal.
edgy nimbus
is arcanae mage dog this season?
ember nest
it is very good
left crow
Which dps specs do you think have the most problems getting into groups? Want to invite them when pugging low keys on my tank.
weary drift
my friend just started playing tww, and we leveled through dungeons, does he have to do the leveling campaign to go to new zones/karesh etc?
ember nest
you can skip campaign i think
weak wraith
I've got the endurance down, I just need to do damage 😭
surreal agate
my friend just started playing tww, and we leveled through dungeons, does he hav...
I think so on the first character, yeah
little pecan
Hey yall, So random question. I have a rogue thats at lvl 70 that i havent played since the beginning of DF and i really dont remember how to play it much less playing assassination. Would yall recommend starting a new one or try to work the 70 up?
ember nest
not really
sullen helm
Just use the 70. The gameplay is really easy, you'll pick it up quick
strange bridge
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lunar kite
Hey yall, So random question. I have a rogue thats at lvl 70 that i havent playe...
Get hekili to remember basic rotation the y can suppr it
mellow pilot
Hey yall, So random question. I have a rogue thats at lvl 70 that i havent playe...
If the spec you want to play is assassination and you're someone with some free time I have a good solution for you
upper veldt
theres a new movie from whispyr called assassination rogue endgame
surreal agate
white power boss
trail stream
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fair tusk
so, im trying to get the rogue legion mount and i have all the archioevements i need by warband and lilian is just not moving
mild viper
do sin / outlaw share the same lootpool? i.e., can I get daggers from m+ chests as outlaw? Or do I need to set my loot to sin
ember nest
no you can only get daggers or slow 1h as each of those specs
that is why if you dont want a dagger from a dung as sub/assa
you can use outlaw spec
clear zenith
Does anyone else use a Corsair mmo mouse? All of a sudden I can’t use shift to modify the 12 side buttons, basically lost 12 keybinds
surreal void
did branns hatarang already get nerfed?
its barely doing 30% of his damage now, and i dont see him pulling 2-3mil anymore
jovial citrus
Does anyone else use a Corsair mmo mouse? All of a sudden I can’t use shift to m...
did u already unplug it and replug it?
lethal gust
does it make sense to have multiple rogues, with one for every spec for example? i primarely play outlaw but wanna learn and assa too, but i hate switching enchants, weapons, gems etc. around
surreal void
honestly just as good as keeping a spare set of weapons if needed, you don't need to have a different character unless you really bored
gem/enchant towards the spec you play the most
then just swap specs, swap weapons
woeful geyser
does it make sense to have multiple rogues, with one for every spec for example?...
secondarys have overall low impact
WoW players love to think that secondarys make up like a 80% difference, when thats just not the case, secondarys are mostly a minor minmax thing and thats it
you wont feel or even see the difference in gems lol
royal stirrup
Guys is there a good/tested Fractillus WA ?
frank forge
hm - if I want to switch between assassination / outlaw, is crafting dagger worth it? Also, I forgot it this was a thing, but it matters whats on MH right?
mossy cloud
has anyone used Pickpocket in retail ?
ember nest
secondaries used to be super big
but then they decided DR is a thing so now even if you have a best stat
it just ends up being worse and worse the more you have making others better
sour patrol
sour patrol
idk what happened
After two bosses the overall dps just plummeted and the healer was struggling like their gear was broke
noble kestrel
Was their gear broke?
sour patrol
No, they had plenty of chances to repair
It was like they started getting played by a coma patient
little pecan
If the spec you want to play is assassination and you're someone with some free ...
Whats that "good solution" lol
mellow pilot
Whats that "good solution" lol
upper veldt
Grab some snacks and enjoy that masterpiece
storm crypt
https://youtu.be/HZXEXxFABJM?si=12jfTwf5N0zxtm5_ enjoy
No pvp section smh my head
spare vine
are portal rewards bugged. did a 10 and didn't get a portal
empty burrow
For the tazavesh port u need to do both at +10
warm pagoda
are portal rewards bugged. did a 10 and didn't get a portal
If its the tazavesh one, gotta do both wings
pure lion
The HoA portal is also bugged for some people as well. It might be set to +20 to get the portal like back in SL XD
tight edge
is the money drop in streeets mail man cloak or evasion? cant remember since shadowlands
huh neither, saw the pin
spare vine
yea i did HoA 10 no portal
untold pagoda
Hey, I have maybe a dumb question. Are any of the rogue specs forgiving in terms of making rotational mistakes? For instance, with fire mage if you mess up your combustion window you might as well afk until the next one comes along, or with BM hunter if you screw up your frenzy stacks you're going to have a bad time.
Are all the rogue specs like that as well, or is the dps loss for making mistakes smaller? I'm new to the game and am struggling on fire mage when things get hectic on a fight and someone suggested rogue to me, but i don't think they really understood and instead thought I wanted something with a low APM
mellow pilot
Hey, I have maybe a dumb question. Are any of the rogue specs forgiving in terms...
I was trying to formulate an answer but as with any spec in the game if you fuck up any of the CD windows, you're kinda fucked
untold pagoda
I was trying to formulate an answer but as with any spec in the game if you fuck...
I guess that's fair yeah, I should learn to not panic spam my abilities i guess lol
empty burrow
I guess that's fair yeah, I should learn to not panic spam my abilities i guess ...
What might be better is just concentrating more on boss timers and maybe holding ur cds for when a choose x people mechanic comes. If it isnt u u can just send cds otherwise just do mechs and send cds after the mechanic.
untold pagoda
What might be better is just concentrating more on boss timers and maybe holding...
oh that's a good idea
edgy nimbus
https://youtu.be/HZXEXxFABJM?si=12jfTwf5N0zxtm5_ enjoy
holy 3h
rough stone
Whats the best raid bot Sim Options for M+ ?
mellow pilot
dungeonslice
novel cipher
Our dslice is actually worthwhile
rotund gazelle
is max ilvl of crafts 720 right?
winged dawn
Are the rogues in echo liquid or method streaming?
winged dawn
imexile is streaming
Ty
glad harness
Hey, I have maybe a dumb question. Are any of the rogue specs forgiving in terms...
For what its worth, bm doesnt manage frenzy stacks anymore
ember nest
for some reason they aer summoning gigantic pets
i got spooked by a bm in a key
spawned fucken ondaasta
left crow
i got spooked by a bm in a key
Fight back with the pickpocket glyph, Ara Kara has some nice big bugs
ruby totem
lets go my highest roll was 31 this week across 8 bosses 
Glad to see my bad luck continues
long crag
lock & rogue eating good
mellow pilot
Like they should
long crag
Agreed
novel cipher
For what its worth, bm doesnt manage frenzy stacks anymore
Kinda the deathknell if we're being honest
green brook
Why are there numbers in parenthesis and numbers not in parenthesis? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LWhtD6NdaFH38bX4?fight=24&type=damage-done&hostility=1&source=855&ability=1227052
neon glen
average hit out of paren = non ticks, in paren = ticks
vapid pine
Someone on the items team has been playing Morrowind I see
solar coral
does numbing poison stack with curse of tongues?
surreal pumice
Does netherprism have a max stacks?
stable bison
yes 18
vapid pine
do you have to finish the campaign to get r4 with the wraps?
not as far as I am awear, I believe it is just time gated. Increases by 3 threads a week, we started at 6 and it increased to 9 this week
lunar orbit
I appear to be bugged out
radiant falcon
Do we only get delvers journey exp if we use a key or just run the bountiful delve?
thin ferry
can someone in here check why only fractillus and nexus king show up in my dps logs even tho i had live logging on for every other boss (except dimensius which i haven't done yet)?
on normal
meager totem
those 2 bosses logs are uploaded by someone else
so whatever you were logging its not up
thin ferry
so whatever you were logging its not up
means my warcraftlogs companion is doing funky stuff right? live logging was definitely on all the time
frail niche
hey guys does anyone know how/if i can fix nameplate overlaps like this stacking is enabled and i cant get it to work with the plater overlap settings
peak cipher
does anyone know how to fix this macro?
#showtooltip Shiv
/cast [@mouseover,exists,harm] Shiv; [@target,exists] Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null;
the problem is I also carry Thistle Tea the item (i know im a werido) but how can i make this macro use the spell and not the item? Please @ me so i dont miss the response 😄 Thank you!
lilac gale
Is there a spreadsheet etc. of the best specs per boss in the new raid?
hazy halo
for some reason they aer summoning gigantic pets
Its a bug with a glyph and a a few special pets in their stall they do on purpose. Its annoying as hell tho. Had a run with 2 bms didnt saw anything in melee
grand hearth
once upon a time I think I’ve seen a wow performance optimization guide - does anyone recall that and could point me around? what to tweak graphics wise without just lowering the quality of everything across the board. One recent example is turning off the optional GPU features but there’s more to that.
azure ridge
Morning guys. Casual player here, for general delves / outdoor content, which spec would you recommend pls?
mellow pilot
Morning guys. Casual player here, for general delves / outdoor content, which sp...
The one you think is the coolest
azure ridge
Must be something strong for Delves?
azure ridge
ok thank you.
hollow talon
how are people dealing with blasphemites in gear? for the crit-variant for instance, socketing optimally i can squeeze out 0.75% critical effect, but it seems like it's not worth much when you factor in having to take suboptimal gems? like, i don't feel as good socketing any sort of amber in my gear as an example...
guides tell me they are bis, and the main stat is obviously good, but is it worth going for the different colours for DPS or should I just socket my best stats where possible instead?
warm pagoda
I just ignored blasphemites entirely
noble kestrel
I just shove the movespeed one in and don't think about it
warm pagoda
No clue if I'm screwing myself over
noble kestrel
you aren't
warm pagoda
But I just slam crit/vers mastery depending on vibes
hollow talon
i might do the same, so far i've been trying to optimize, but my body screeches at the thought of putting a staminagem in D:
fringe umbra
Dont put the stamina gem
plush dune
speed gem gaming
trail stream
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storm crypt
anybody knows what this enchanters thing does in ecodome?
left crow
i might do the same, so far i've been trying to optimize, but my body screeches ...
Stamina gems do not count for Blasphemites
hollow talon
Stamina gems do not count for Blasphemites
thank you for clarifying
bleak shard
Hello for tazavesh hard mode which spe is the best ?
upper veldt
oh yes
limber vortex
does killing soulbinder naazindhri unlock loom ithar loot on weekly vault?
ember nest
it is a bit strange how forked ways bosses work
as you can do either
but it might work
surreal void
wish brann would stop resetting each day and losing his curios
silver oracle
Is there a "rogue spec comparison for dummy" somewhere?
faint bough
Is there a "rogue spec comparison for dummy" somewhere?
assa: gameplay revolves around poisons and bleeds, usually a slow methodical gameplay with some tracking required of dots and other things to maximize potential. Considered the easiest to learn/play and currently is bonkers good in all content
sub: extreme burst spec. Revolves around a CD window every 90s that does some of the highest burst in the game, but needs to be executed properly and can be a bit tough to learn the muscle memory for. Extremely slow downtime in between cd windows, can be a knowledge check for packs/bosses of when you want to be sending your cooldowns vs holding.
outlaw: crackhead spec. one of the highest apm specs in the game, with a flat damage profile aka no cooldowns of note, doing mostly the same thing at all times. can be very punishing due to high apm and if you make small mistakes they can add up really quickly and really screw up the gameplay loop. uses a 1h agi weapon vs the other specs using 2 daggers.
pale pebble
only just started running delves on rogue, what spec is generally best for brann for an poor / averagely geared player
winged dawn
is this addressing freeze lag only when the custom sound is played? im getting freeze lag randomly (eg, standing around afk before pulling boss, in the middle of the fight, flying in dorn) - so not when any custom sound would be played. could this still be a problem? i have custom sounds playing in m+ where theres much less freezing
also, this would mean disabling any bossmods addon as they all use custom sounds?
bright wraith
@pale pebble i used sub with no gear in s1 with perma tricks. Maybe wait vor evasion when you got the big broker pack and kite with cripling on
normally i just use assa for them
ripe meteor
Anyone know the top simming race for rogue?
obsidian saddle
you can check bloodmallet
but the difference is minimal and it's not advised chasing race sims
faint bough
no idea about outlaw
tauren/dwarf iirc
but remember goblins have the best stealth animation so that is just bis
somber idol
!up
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noble kestrel
No acuity.
languid ingot
i thought u dont need it
noble kestrel
You also need to remove the far right optional reageant
little pecan
https://youtu.be/HZXEXxFABJM?si=12jfTwf5N0zxtm5_ enjoy
holy sh** why is it sooooo long..
mellow pilot
Because it is a spec you need to understand
and you can just skip wo what you want to learn
little pecan
lol That makes sense.
steel pelican
best spec to play to have fun, deal good dmg and get the best parts of rogue?
radiant falcon
Is there any place for me to look at logs I just got back into raiding and want to see where I can improve
fallen summit
inland gale
!up
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lament plover
Im new to rogue in tww and just hit 80. I’ll be doing heroic/mythic prog and like +12s or so. What spec should I focus on? Or does it not really matter and play whatever looks cooler
mellow pilot
Im new to rogue in tww and just hit 80. I’ll be doing heroic/mythic prog and lik...
assa
You'll be crafting a 720 dagger asap most likely and you'll be able to play sub if the fight is better for sub somehow
lament plover
Cool, I leveled as assassination but then saw a lot of sub in rwf and got worried because sub has always been a dark horse of mystery for me
mellow pilot
Assa cares more about ilvl than secundary stats, which allows you to gear towards 2 specs
Same brother, same
i just cant understand it
(nor i ever really tried)
lament plover
Thanks!
mellow pilot
glad hearth
Noob question inc…. Should we be attacking Plexus Sentinel from behind?
haughty kelp
i need a wow expert that knows info
mellow pilot
i might or might not be able to help
haughty kelp
when i do a bountiful delve and open the chest with my key and get rep, can i get that same rep again in the sam eweek or is that on a weekly lockout too
mellow pilot
i do indeed not know
haughty kelp
😵💫
haughty kelp
pure lion
when i do a bountiful delve and open the chest with my key and get rep, can i ge...
Weekly lockout. It’s also on a rotation on which rep you get. There’s also a sucky thing where you can get the same rep which will in turn get you nothing.
For instance if you open a bountiful and the game rolls Hallowfall rep you’ll get 2500 hallowfall rep. If you do another bountiful the same week and the game rolls Hallowfall again, you won’t get another faction rep, you’ll just get nothing.
This was like at the very start of the expansion though so you might always get an available factions rep now. once a week ofc
steep dock
I cant remember getting the same rep
ripe meteor
Could anyone send me the sim paste for races?
warm pagoda
Cool, I leveled as assassination but then saw a lot of sub in rwf and got worrie...
RWF v mythic prog are different things.
If you're progging later in the season, any spec is fine, play what you vibe with
haughty kelp
Weekly lockout. It’s also on a rotation on which rep you get. There’s also a suc...
amazing ty! never knew this
wasted some keys this week then 🙁
thorny glen
which rogue spec deals the most damage right now? is it outlaw
inland gale
yeah
mellow pilot
Yeah...
winged tapir
I dunno. This surprised me:
winged tapir
Evidently. Outlaw was the next spec on that list but my screen cap cut it off.
plush dune
sub is very fun in keys
ive been playing it and 4p goes hard
i havent been playing it well granted
radiant falcon
There anyone that could look over a log with me, just got back into raiding and want to see how badly I am effing up
mellow pilot
Ask in the specific spec channel
tiny forge
anyone know why the third boss of arakara would be constantly despawning mid fight?
steep dock
In 12h and 24min
hearty fog
keep dying to this fight even when I'm facing the assassins
walk backwards
fair turret
fair turret
walk backwards
tried that too
steep dock
I would stand still
robust nacelle
tried that too
the more u move during massacre the more harder it gets
u just strafe
fair turret
idk what do to
robust nacelle
done it after like 35ish tries
fair turret
I've heard people say "Move" "Don't move" "Don't attack" "yes attack"
robust nacelle
just stand still,use the WA that outlines which is attacking and face it
dont move
its stupid
whoever told u to move
doesnt know the fight
or havgent done it
just dont move
fair turret
u just strafe
were you not telling me to move here?
robust nacelle
were you not telling me to move here?
strafing is just barely moving
u dont go for a walk
fair turret
I have watched guides
fair turret
That doesn't seem like intended design
it seems like a bug, and there seems to be more than one way to trigger it, and it seems like the fix is inconsistent
fair turret
yes
robust nacelle
im not even aware if there is a bug
ik from stuff ive read of reddit u need to check a hitbox
to not get oneshot
thats all
took me about 35-ish tries
fatebound sin
fair turret
wym hitbox?
robust nacelle
the hitbox of the massacre
the literal line u have to face
thats why u strafe barely to allign to it
dense vine
how can I find a great video editor for wow tww pvp? I need someone to edit videos for me
fair turret
was I not aligned with it here? I thought I was
thats why I say it feels like a bug. Its a clunky fight
robust nacelle
u might look that u are but im not sure u are because im not aware its a bug
also im not aware when u actually think u were
coz u need to be facing the moment the massacre starts
not when it contacts u
fair turret
I was facing it the moment it started
robust nacelle
not aware of that
fair turret
not aware of what?
fair turret
that u faced it the moment it started?
can you not see the video I posted??
fair turret
here.
fair turret
srsly dude
Yes srsly dude
having to manipulate hitboxes but moving, or not moving, or not attacking, or whatever can't be part of the fight design, its buggy.
robust nacelle
looks like u missed to allign by an inche here
robust nacelle
idk u are dead,how do i actually cope
robust nacelle
thats how it actually works
but ye,im out of this argumentative for the sake of it
hearty fog
yeah @robust nacelle just admit it's bugged. you are john blizzard afterall and should take responsibility
fair turret
yeah <@363351758765948929> just admit it's bugged. you are john blizzard afteral...
I'm not asking him to take responsibility, I just tired of getting blamed for dying to a finicky mechanic like I'm not doing what the game tells me to do
plush dune
i dont think its bugged
hearty fog
and a bunch of other people as well
plush dune
plush dune
its rather precise
hearty fog
i die to the exact same thing
plush dune
but i dont think its bugged
hearty fog
but im probably also being shit at it
robust nacelle
how can I find a great video editor for wow tww pvp? I need someone to edit vide...
Kalvish has done some wonderful vids lately,everyone is talking about his editor,maybe ask him who he is
think his editor info on the comment section
plush dune
yes it has to be your model facing him
fair turret
so I was in shadowstrike animation when the assassin attacked, and since my model was looking away I died
plush dune
thats why people recommend walking backwards, it makes sure your model moves and not just the camera
fair turret
which means your "taking damage", "parry", or "dodge" animations could also throw your character out of alignments and ruin the fight for you
dense vine
Kalvish has done some wonderful vids lately,everyone is talking about his editor...
Thank you very much
plush dune
i mean none of those animations change which direction you're facing
so they would not effect it
plush dune
some have spicier animations than others but none actually change your characters direction
fair turret
but that explanation makes more sense than "u were 2 pixels off 
"
it would explain why I sometimes just randomly die while facing the assassin
plush dune
no im pretty sure you just were off
but if thats how you want to explain it thats fair enough
hearty fog
fair turret
parry does look away on velf
robust nacelle
Thank you very much
u are welcome friend
plush dune
and your model is still in the same direction
you arent literally moving during those types of animations
they're for show
plush dune
just like how if you fucking do a flip during feint you arent going to suddenly turn 360 degrees
thats now how animations work
fair turret
thats now how animations work
wym?
plush dune
the animation is not changing your facing
your characters hitbox is still facing forward
even if the model is doing flips and shit
demon hutners are still facing forwards during blade dance
even though they're teleporting around
plush dune
like if you were to be using evasion to dodge something then feint, when your belf spins around you arent suddenly going to get hit in the back
fair turret
but when I died to that assassin in the video, my model was clearly turned during an animation
fair turret
like if you were to be using evasion to dodge something then feint, when your be...
I think you will die tho
and I think it explains a lot of the random sudden deaths of that fight
plush dune
you are not facing the clone
fair turret
the other fight
look at the video above it
I was lined up directly with the line, and looking right at the assassin
but my model was turned away because of a shadowstrike animation, despite facing towards the assassin
plush dune
im still quite sure you werent facing the clone properly
because thats simply not how animations work
robust nacelle
doesnt rly know what facing means
fair turret
robust nacelle
animation mambo jambo
fair turret
animation mambo jambo
can you stop harrassing me, dude?
fair turret
how am I not lined up in this photo?
I died to that assassin, and I have been MUCH further off with my aim than that before
robust nacelle
can you stop harrassing me, dude?
not if u are trying to make other ppl crazy based on your ego alone.Learn to play the game and stop yapping nonsense
fair turret
dude, leave me alone.
hearty fog
fair turret
Heres proof that you can be way off and still survive the attack. So that first video wasn't about my angle at all
I went slightly to the right of all of these on purpose just to demonstrate
hearty fog
Lines 1-5: Clearly missed.
Lines 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Lines 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Line 12: Likely didn't actually fire because you were already dead.
plush dune
if it makes you feel better for it to be the animation then sure
plush dune
kinda based
hearty fog
yeah i should turn off my counter
fair turret
but no I'm serious, what am I missing here? Everyone here and on reddit is telling me I'm stupid and I'm not looking at the lines when I am
plush dune
i have no idea, im just very sure its not animations causing it
hearty fog
do the mechanic
plush dune
maybe it is finnicky
fair turret
it seems finicky
fair turret
hold on, I just had another weird one
hearty fog
as much fun as this is
you need to realise
none of us have some magical solution
that explains why youre dying
nor can we do anything about it
we dont work for blizzard
plush dune
blizzard famously well known for making well made mechanics
hearty fog
we dont work on their janky code
if youre sure that the reason youre dying is because of the animation
robust nacelle
blizzard famously well known for making well made mechanics
based
hearty fog
than sure good on you
fair turret
I understand that, I'm not asking for magical solutions
hearty fog
i dunno what youre asking for anymore then
fair turret
but I would also expect people to not gaslight me into thinking this is a skill issue
like is it bugged or am I missing something?
hearty fog
the term is gaslamping.
fair turret
the solutions I'm getting here and on reddit are all over the place
hearty fog
gas lighting doesnt exist
fair turret
then I get fights like this, and I'm back to having no idea
plush dune
all i can say is for me making sure to move backwards while i look at the clones made it a lot more consistant for me
fair turret
I
robust nacelle
https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478
Butter garlic shrimp pasta btw tastes like heaven
fair turret
I'll try moving backwards again
plush dune
i havent had shrimp in a long time
fair turret
I tried moving forward I think in that clip
plush dune
i need some more
robust nacelle
i need some more
got a recipe ive taken from a chef,its pretty nice
u can alternate from butter to other sauce and salt if u want and its pretty simple
thin ferry
so how tf can i log my raids this season? last season i used the warcraftlogs companion in game overlay, activated live log and forgot about it. this season it doesn't work anymore. i tried manual logging, then split the log with the same app and uploaded them manually which didn't work either
rugged pond
is the 3rd raid slot 6 kills?
severe furnace
!up
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left crow
Killed the first three heroic yesterday and gotta say the first boss is a banger, good fun.
rugged pond
all bosses are bangers
albeit, maybe not fractilus
i dont enjoy another wa boss similar to igira, maybe worsr as this wipes the entire raid
candid cipher
Is the m+ surrender and leaver thingy implemented yet ?
noble kestrel
Doesn't seem to be. At least not that I've seen.
candid cipher
kk so it is not only me
unreal gulch
albeit, maybe not fractilus
Same, actually felt kinda bad
Even if everything goes right
hasty shell
Any rogue specific tips for tazavesh hm
shell hill
Not really, just swap talents between trash and bosses a lot, play cheat death, don’t try to do anything fancy, kill things before they kill you 
left crow
Cheat death saves my hide so much ngl
ruby totem
So when we locking the rogue discord for the "double digit buff" rets are aiming for
bad
ruby totem
I reckon outlaw needs a triple digit buff to compensate for Ret buff
jolly dew
Best spec rogue right now?
main minnow
What spec u would recomend in this patch
upper veldt
yes
mellow pilot
Yeah
main minnow
Reasonable
sour patrol
Ret paladin
ruby totem
(Dont play ret paladin)
mellow pilot
((unless they buff it double digits))
mellow pilot
Then play rogue
ruby totem
((unless they buff it double digits))
(Needs double digit and an arms warrior nerf for our pain and suffering)
sour patrol
((unless they buff it double digits))
🔒
upper veldt
((unless they buff it double digits))
Or you have the key for the locked dc channel
sour patrol
No Ret Discussion
ruby totem
No Ret Discussion
Ret this 
mellow pilot
No Ret Discussion
Sorry senpai
sour patrol
Buff Balance Druid
sour patrol
Sorry senpai
Idc, lol.
I was playing my Paladin this weekend, but only as Holy so I didn't even notice anything.
merry peak
Was in a TW dungeon on tank toon.
Finished with 30 seconds to spare (before server reset).
Left to go turn in (had toon by npc before entering).. booted.
mellow pilot
Idc, lol.
I was playing my Paladin this weekend, but only as Holy so I didn't ev...
I don't even notice when we get nerfed. I don't do content where it matters that much
merry peak
Idc, lol.
I was playing my Paladin this weekend, but only as Holy so I didn't ev...
I honestly don't get the complaining, particularly when some specs pets are unusable.
But yeah, lets buff ret while others can't even do content.
sour patrol
I honestly don't get the complaining, particularly when some specs pets are unus...
Yeah, our hunters were having a fun time in raid last week
merry peak
It's been like this for three weeks, man..
ruby totem
I don't even notice when we get nerfed. I don't do content where it matters that...
Its a pretty rough nerf and our tier kinda bad
Apes in paladin discord overreacting but it is kinda bleak
warm pagoda
((unless they buff it double digits))
Just in general
ruby totem
Buff this 
woeful geyser
Also buff all 3 lock specs
idc what they do, but also delay Silksong
ruby totem
solar pasture
are servers down?
normal sonnet
yes
normal sonnet
2 hows from 28 minutes ago
solar pasture
ah ok thank you alot sir
normal sonnet
np
main minnow
i mean it was pretty long on eu
warm pagoda
We don't trust the banner
main minnow
So can anyone reccomend rogue spec for m+?
fringe umbra
Any of them really
main minnow
so there is no super garbage spec this season?
steep dock
fringe umbra
so there is no super garbage spec this season?
Nope, i think outlaw is the worst but its still good relative to other specs
But assa and sub are both obscenely powerful in keys
main minnow
oh ok ill prob try every spec and find one i like more
sour patrol
are servers down?
Tuesday, innit
main minnow
is midnight teaser today?
steep dock
trailer
main minnow
so preorder also today?
fringe umbra
Probably, but we dont know
main minnow
i hope so, im waiting for it so i can get tww with it
bright wraith
is the ret channel still closed or what
sour patrol
is the ret channel still closed or what
sour patrol
MFer thinks he's John Q
strange bridge
!sheet
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
mellow pilot
Is Tazavesh HM scaled at +10 or +12 level?
10
grim vine
its scaled to getting your run ruined by bugs
ruby totem
faint bough
but my 3070! what will it do!!
faint bough
ill be rocking this bad boy til its spittin sludge
mellow pilot
i have a 60
noble kestrel
2070 gang
ruby totem
I have a 4070 super
grim vine
delves
mellow pilot
since m+ doesnt drop for some reasons
delves
mellow pilot
lvl1 might be enough
grim vine
iidk if higher delves give me but you can do lvl1
grim vine
more*
mild wasp
loot and reset
edgy nimbus
how do i do that
mild wasp
quest takes ~4 minutes that way
grim vine
mild wasp
lfd and you set it to follower difficulty
edgy nimbus
xd
mild wasp
yeah
edgy nimbus
ok ty
15 for first boss
💀
Is it worth to spend crests to max rank upgrade hero ring/trinket to get both trinkets or ring to max rank?
iron belfry
screw ring upgrades, trinket if u got good ones and won't get mythic track soon
fair turret
blizzard already leaked the midnight preorder mounts in the live game 💀
mellow pilot
blizzard already leaked the midnight preorder mounts in the live game 💀
its on wowhead too
idle river
did you try harder hitting moves
woeful geyser
and maybe dont stand there
mellow pilot
thats it?
past rain
guess ret is getting those buffs
plush dune
yeah uh
i feel like wowhead dropped these articles early
because none of this shit was revealed at all
tacit moat
They were slightly early
civic saffron
poggers?
idle patio
iron belfry
outlaw
past yoke
Wtf is that
iron belfry
i loved tanking rogue in sod
past yoke
they cant balance current specs
mellow pilot
I wanted it to be a thing on retail
past yoke
imsgine if you could just swap roles within a spec or something
faint bough
Where was this?
must be liars
iron belfry
game not being perfectly balanced its part of the flavor
imagine you would do same damage as everyone else
past yoke
Not entering this conv again, but as long as sub doesnt become a tank or something im goof
good
past rain
It's been close enough to tank on the dmg meters more often than not
iron belfry
they are not that stupid to revamp a spec to another role, they will probably add options
faint bough
its just lies anyway, wasnt anywhere
iron belfry
yeah i can't find a source for that
plush dune
It do be fake
inland gale
Should get banned for misinfo
quasi galleon
poggers?
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-drift-at-last-there-is-hope-after-all-there-is-hope-gif-23945553
best way for that is to just add 4th specs, we dont need more classes, we need 4th specs, jump on the copium train
Damnit I got bamboozled by excitement
grand hearth
lmao 3 raids for the first tier? Interesting
Unless they unveiled all the raids for the entire expac…? no way tho they would do an entire tier with just one boss
inland gale
Gruul mag and Kara
trail stream
I like a lil break from the recent formula 🙂
grand hearth
I remember legion had a mid tier 2 boss raid or sth like that
iron belfry
RWF will be crazy if they release them all at once
noble kestrel
Yeah, MoP did the same
ember nest
yea helya
noble kestrel
It's fundamentally the same as it is now, just split over 3 instances
grand hearth
I like having multiple shorter raids for one tier actually. Probably gonna be timegated and released one by one over the course of the season, at least its beginning
iron belfry
10man mythic maybe?
quasi galleon
Highmaul my beloved
tight edge
the things we do for love
noble kestrel
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2025/08/19/world-of-warcraft-midnight-101-everything-you-need-to-know/ Nameplate updates, neat.
mellow pilot
fair turret
We still have delves in midnight tho, right?
mellow pilot
most likely
fair turret
Good, I was worried for a moment
Keep the delves but /gkick Brann Bronzebeard for pulling every nemesis pack in my zip code
sour patrol
We still have delves in midnight tho, right?
Yeah, they listed the new ones
what if we kissed in The Gulf of Memory
fleet swan
do you think the Darkway takes place in Garth Marenghi's Darkplace
rare solar
Sure do Valeera is the companion
Surely her ai is better 
small atlas
How is pugging M+ on rogue this patch, ya'll getting invites because of big dam or nah get a raid buff?