wow-general

[dawn peak]

Ok, open ambush, then Rupture, and then Envenoms

[mellow pilot]

you have 2 (3 if in m+) bleeds: Rupture, garrote (and crimson tempest)

they must have as close to 100% uptime as possible

You open with ambush so you apply deathstalkers mark

you use your finishers when you have 5 OR more CPS

You only force max CPs (7) to use the darknest night buff, and reapply the deathstalkers mark in the process

[dawn peak]

Ok, Stealth, Shadowstep, and then Ambush

[mellow pilot]

thats one way to do it yeah,

on wowhead, copy the bleed build from the talent section

works extremely well in world content too

[dawn peak]

I did, I am using Icy Vein for rotation, because idk what is wowhead is talking about with the rotation

[mellow pilot]

Wowhead is written by Whispyr, icy is written by Seli, both are in this discord

USUALLY wowhead gets updated first

and icy follows

[fiery coyote]

they are both very smart and handsome

[plush dune]

incredible in bed too

[neon glen]

like, sleeping well?

[main peak]

ye

[cobalt torrent]

minmaxxing sleep

[pallid rock]

Any take on which is best atm for m+ and which is going to be pumping on season 3

[fringe umbra]

Nope as its 1000% going to change before it goes live anyway

[warm pagoda]

Just play what you find fun idk

[pallid rock]

True.. what about for now? Outlaw right?

[warm pagoda]

Does it matter? Are you going for a late title push?

[pallid rock]

Just trying to figure out. However have a nice day

[warm pagoda]

Just, play what you enjoy

Is the best answer.

All three specs have different feels to them, no point suffering through a spec you don't vibe with for content where it isn't required

[pallid rock]

Good point

[dawn peak]

Today I learn that rogue is very soft

[oak tartan]

Not really

[split stag]

Soft?

As in like squishy? Cuz that's definitely not the case

[dawn peak]

So, I am the problem, once thing

[misty spade]

You could argue assa is squishier than the other two

[woeful geyser]

if dmg happens, press feint

[vital geode]

ptr down?

[zealous halo]

no im on it rn

[proper sail]

Yeah outlaw and sub are crazy tanky

[heady jasper]

Why is that?

[woeful geyser]

sub/Outlaw both have talents that make them more tanky, assa doesnt

so assa is "only" the base rogue deffensive kit (which is still really fucking strong outside of giga high m+, but the game aint balanced for that anyway)

[heady jasper]

Fair, thanks

[steep dock]

outlaw likes vers also

[fringe umbra]

Ye sub and outlaw (especially outlaw) also gets a ton of vers, ontop of the multiple extra defensive talents they have

[ember nest]

yea every extra bit of % is very noticeable when you go higher

makes hp be more valuable and shields are stronger on you etc

only rogue weakness have been long constant dmg that is not aoe

something like magmorax

that one ate rogues for breakfast

[steady tundra]

Hey guys and girls, how does rogue look next patch so far? and what is the go to spec for raiding this current tier/next tier (what you know)?
We have no rogue in guild and RL asked me if i wanna give it a try. Only played outlaw rogue in season 4 shadowlands as an alt, but was fun back then. Guessing it has some major changes since then tho xD

and also, is it hard to learn?

[warm pagoda]

In terms of how we're looking next season, its going to be hard to say as there's going to be a bunch of changes so, anything could happen. In terms of hard to learn, sin in raid is pretty easy, sub is a bit trickier but I didn't find it too bad. Outlaw, I'm not so sure about. But it ain't that bad to learn.

[steady tundra]

wich spec performs best atm? or are they all pretty equal maybe? and for m+ current season is it outlaw then?

[mellow pilot]

Its ptr

season wise any spec works

[steady tundra]

yea but now, season 2 🙂

[mellow pilot]

literally any spec works

[steady tundra]

okey

[warm pagoda]

Well, it depends on what your guild is doing. If you ain't going RWF then... any spec works absolutely fine and it'd be best to choose based on what you enjoy rather than numbers wise.

[mellow pilot]

^

[warm pagoda]

Because all of the specs have different playstyles and there's no point forcing yourself to play a spec with a playstyle you don't like just for an extra .5% DPS in content where, it ain't needed.

[steady tundra]

yea but i dont know what i will enjoy since i havent played it before xD

[mellow pilot]

then try them all

[warm pagoda]

Best thing to do is give them a shot and see.

[mellow pilot]

i can give you a tldr

[steady tundra]

what's that? tldr?

[warm pagoda]

Too long didn't read, the cliff notes version

[plush dune]

let me break it down for you

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-breaking-it-down-omni-man-breaking-it-down-let-me-break-down-omni-man-gif-13756552621007848541

[mellow pilot]

outlaw: pirates yargh pewpew go fast lots of coffee and energy drinks AAAAAAAH my hands hurt!!!!!;
sub: naruto shadowclones, purple = win;
assassination: melee affliction warlock

[noble kestrel]

Playing the class and seeing which you enjoy is probably the best thing to do, then.

[steady tundra]

yea think so to, coming from ret pala and bm/mm hunter to rogue, not many simularities xD

[warm pagoda]

In terms of gameplay styles:
Assassintion: Dot uptime otherwise hit envenom
Sub: Cooldown management and setting up burst windows
Outlaw: GOTTA GO FAST FSHUFHSDUFHDUFVHDU

Thats pretty much it

[mellow pilot]

My explanation is still better

https://tenor.com/view/anime-blush-girl-mad-gif-16116911

[noble kestrel]

Sub is purple, which makes it the best.

[warm pagoda]

He has a point

[steady tundra]

actually does sound like outlaw is the closest to ret pala/bm hunter in terms of playstime, yargh pewpew gotta go fast yadayada

[mellow pilot]

Tweek homie, try them all for a while until you can decide which playstyle fits you better

outlaw is probably the hardest rogue spec rn

[steady tundra]

yea i will try them all

[thorny widget]

If your damage is bad on outlaw just say something about low rolling

[warm pagoda]

But yeah, best thing to do, give each spec a shot and see how you feel with it. Any questions just drop a line in here!

[thorny widget]

Next season outlaw maybe plays fatebound

Bad rtb + no lucky coin + input lag + astral alignment

I couldn’t have played better

[mellow pilot]

lucky coin should not be rng anymore is it?

[steady tundra]

thanks! will do 🙂

[thorny widget]

I thought that’s just sin

Maybe outlaw too idk

[steady tundra]

Very helpful and kind community here 🙂

[mellow pilot]

you might be right, i dont look at the pirates channel

[warm pagoda]

I don't know how outlaw works, the outlaw channel scares me

[noble kestrel]

Assa and Sub both use double daggers. Outlaw uses a 1H Melee weapon (Sword / Axe/ Fist / Mace) main-hand. So it's relatively simple to swap between the three specs to try stuff out.

[mellow pilot]

just don't spread the word... we're the toxic ones

[thorny widget]

Oh if you play outlaw in raid though

[warm pagoda]

Also good luck reading anything in the outlaw channel because they can't go more than 2 words without hitting enter

[thorny widget]

You’re kinda hard locked in if you craft a sword

If you play sin and sub you can more freely swap between them

[noble kestrel]

By the time it matters you'll probably know what you enjoy the most, but that's a very good consideraiton to have.

[thorny widget]

And you are kinda the guy that gets a dagger if it drops

[mellow pilot]

Good input there, actually relevant info

[thorny widget]

Otherwise dagger drops are dead for your guild

[warm pagoda]

Outlaw also has a haste requirement whilst sub hates haste, so also, gearing between them may be awkward.

[thorny widget]

And 1H are more contested then

Sub and sin gearing is pretty close

[noble kestrel]

Ye, right now I just swap 2 items to play Assa. It's great. Extremely chill to flip between them.

[thorny widget]

When you play outlaw you need to drop most of your mastery

[warm pagoda]

Same, swap ring and neck out and I'm chilling. Jump from like 15% haste to 3%

[thorny widget]

Which is difficult when sub and sin both have like 17k+

Kinda similar thing with crit

[steady tundra]

actually sounds pretty cool ngl,

i usually swap between bm and mm and i have to swap out half my gear and some enchants xD

[warm pagoda]

I never got where that stereotype came from. When I said I'll ask rogue discord my guild went 'oh they're gonna tear you to shreds', but then I get here and its just... chill.

[mellow pilot]

Its like the fight clube rule

[noble kestrel]

rogue club

[steady tundra]

haha i've actually also heard rogue discord is toxic XD glad i was proven wrong

[woeful geyser]

its the guys that either think "rogue = the guy that killed me in STV 20years ago"

or the people that go into a spec channel and say HEY WHAT TALENTS AND TRINKETS SHOULD I PLAY AND WHATS MY ROTIATION and then get pissy when somebody tells them to check a guide

[thorny widget]

Also useful to know that in raid sin can’t target well swap and outlaw can’t burst

[noble kestrel]

don't forget the roll the bones BfA people

[woeful geyser]

oh yeha

RtB

[warm pagoda]

Yeah I never got that, finding the rogue discord is barely less effort than just, reading the guide.

[steep dock]

nah we are supe toxic here

[mellow pilot]

SOMETIMES there are new members that just join and ask "whats best talents and bis gear" and the answer isnt A or B, it's actually harder than that. So, we try to provide explanations on HOW things work

some people dont like that

[steep dock]

watch this

[noble kestrel]

Don't be afraid to ask questions, though. Rogue has some real strange quirk sometimes that aren't obvious. Sometimes it's easier to just ask why something is the way it is.

[steep dock]

fu royal

[mellow pilot]

ily

my homie

wait i should have been toxic here

[thorny widget]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-nose-butterfly-dog-puppy-peaceful-gif-14700589898488542320

Most toxic rogue

[mellow pilot]

Brothers and sisters nothing can make me toxic, especially now that i know i'll have a baby girl in a few months

https://tenor.com/view/anime-happy-anime-excited-excited-anime-miri-buddy-gif-17584608083576146293

[steep dock]

congrats

[warm pagoda]

Oh shit, didn't know you found out the gender. Congrats!

[woeful geyser]

prepare for all nighters 🙏

[mellow pilot]

i did a week ago, made the family party today :3

[steady tundra]

yea i will do that, will prob ask way to stupid things, first i need to level him up to 80 xD

[warm pagoda]

Nice! So, you're gonna train them to farm gold for you when they're like 3 right?

[mellow pilot]

... yes.

that was my plan

[warm pagoda]

Good.

[mellow pilot]

MUAHAHAHA

[thorny widget]

Oh leveling rogue is really shit

Don’t touch sub till at least like 50-60

[noble kestrel]

Haha, yeah, it's wild how bad it can feel

[thorny widget]

For whatever reason

[mellow pilot]

i mean

he can just spam TW dungeons

[thorny widget]

Sin gets venomous wounds super early

And sub gets relentless way later

???

[woeful geyser]

cus classes are not balanced around anything pre max level

[noble kestrel]

There's something else weird that Sub doesn't get for ages that makes it confusing and awkward

[mellow pilot]

sub does get shadowstrike

[thorny widget]

Moving those types of nodes higher in the tree

Would make leveling rogue and pathing at max level way better

[steep dock]

I remember when I first started rogue,it felt ass to lvl. Still does. So idk what my point was

[thorny widget]

Instead you get a bunch of find weakness talents

[steep dock]

was mid tbc

[thorny widget]

That do nothing until way later

[woeful geyser]

mfs complaining about rogue leveling didnt experience not having any AoE ability for 65 levels

[steady tundra]

he's 62 atm, but thank god for timewalking and warband exp xD

[mellow pilot]

Amen for that blizz daddy

[steep dock]

what class,forgor

[mellow pilot]

rogue

old rogue design didnt have aoe outside of bladeflurry

[woeful geyser]

rogue during legion i think

iirc FoK/weebstorm/Flury where unlocked at mid 60s

so before that you where always just hitting 1 enemy

[steep dock]

im dumb, I cant remember

I swear I started mid/early tbc

also forgot to use berserking all of mop lvling as troll

[split stag]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[ember nest]

rogue didnt have any aoe for many years

[split stag]

Legion's correct it's when I made a new bnet and leveled rogue again was turbo ass

[ember nest]

it was surely something interesting

[split stag]

Man gave me flashbacks xd

At least I got stratholm mount during that pain

[steep dock]

it had some for few days with bugged FoK

relic iirc

[dire pollen]

Got to wield it at comic con👀

[inland gale]

Heavy?

[dire pollen]

No but probably couldnt swing it properly

[languid zinc]

Had to use the new bag with my Mage Tower set

First mage tower ever

[surreal agate]

Yep

Fun fact I started playing in legion and somehow stuck through to unlocking fok without really ever being bothered by the lack of aoe

I think I just didn't know what I was missing

[static epoch]

why were you levelling without blade flurry bro

was it some sort of post-Cata thing?

legion huh
smh

levelling a rogue in vanilla was an A+ experience tbh

just run in, pull three mobs, turn on BF, slammin'

[mellow pilot]

Then wait 3(?) minutes for the cd

[sour patrol]

I remember having to do a quest to learn poisons and you got tha debuff that prevented you from Stealthing and had a 7d timer.
I just didn't play her for almost a week until I mentioned it while playing an alt and someone said you could get rid of it.

[static epoch]

p sure you get a quest to go get rid of it

[whole oracle]

Pretty sure it's also a poison. You can just ask a druid to dispell you and skip the quest

[sour patrol]

That's what I mean, I could've just had a Paladin or something remove it

[steady tundra]

Trying to learn rogue play, was watching Shindigg's guide on youtube, and holy shit it's a alot of things to remember and learn, feels like it will take years to master and i have until s3 comes out ^^ yay

[warm pagoda]

Which spec did you end up going for?

[steady tundra]

still undecided xD sub sounds really hard to master but the bursty playstyle is something i like, Sin feels alot easier to learn but not sure about it yet.

[warm pagoda]

For raids, Sin is definitely the easiest. Sub is good but it can be very punishing if one of your burst windows gets scuffed.

[steady tundra]

Yea watching that sub guide makes my ret pala brain melt xD

[fringe umbra]

You do the burst sequence correctly and then you do the same thing 90s later

Boom thats 85% of sub right there

[steady tundra]

Yea but the burst sequence feels like a book report, but ye in time it will probably be sitting like the tumb in my hand 🙂

[scenic flame]

how is the current pve content?

[warm pagoda]

The other 15% is resisting the urge to hit coup when you have 20 seconds left before flag

[storm kraken]

my initial instinct is to just send coup if the target is fazed, is it a large gain to hold it if flag is close? do you lose many unseen blades by holding coup for potentially 20 seconds?

[warm pagoda]

I ain't fully sure, I've just seen people talking about it, but then the urge to hit the glowy button takes over and I coup.

I'm a weak man

[storm kraken]

you and me both, friend

now you have me curious though

[wet abyss]

Ugh, I can see myself turning into an elitist in real time and I don't like it

I keep letting my keys decay so I got stuck with a +2 floodgate key, and I went through legit 5 parties to get it done

People kept wiping on either the first or second boss and then just plug pulling

It took me 5 minutes to watch a 3 minute video and then distill important mechanics into single sentences:
boss 1: kill the adds
boss 2: aim big guy charge into bombs
boss 3: go left with your tether
boss 4: kite sparks into water

It's not that complicated a dungeon

Last party still died on big momma and I had to clarify that they had to keep killing the adds, and that was finally enough

I still had top dps with 1.63mil...

[novel cipher]

damn

[empty burrow]

Been a while since Ive had that bad of an exp in a dungeon

[novel cipher]

it's been a while for me too that's pretty horrendous

[mellow pilot]

the higher the key you do, the better players you get

[novel cipher]

that's also true. +2 is largely a graveyard

[mellow pilot]

you're literally playing at a level players don't even have their monitor plugged in

[novel cipher]

before the difficulty change to compress +12->+2, you could literally sleepwalk through old keys so instead of it being 5-7 as hell, it's 2-3 now

[wet abyss]

I really hate that keys degrade if you don't do them for a week

I've got 13 classes at 80 and I also enjoy pvp

there's only so much time and I don't want to treat any part of the game like a job

[mellow pilot]

but

you just said you have 13 characters

you're treating the game as a job

[wet abyss]

I don't follow your logic

I have every class at 80 because it was something I wanted to do, but I did it at my own pace

[mellow pilot]

then whats the logic about telling us you have 13 80s? XD

[wet abyss]

I don't like feeling compelled to do stuff on a specific schedule just to maintain progress I've already made, that's crap

[mellow pilot]

true

thats why i just play 1 character at a time

[wet abyss]

I like mythics but not enough to keep EVERY CHARACTER'S KEYS from decaying

That's the point

[mellow pilot]

joining keys up to 7 isnt that hard anyway

[wet abyss]

I like being able to play whoever I feel like playing, not feeling like I have to play at least one mythic per week with any character I want to do mythics with

[wet abyss]

maybe so, but do I get a key upgrade from doing somebody else's?

(genuine question)

[empty burrow]

Not this week but u do get the same key next week

If u do someone elses 7 u get a 7 next week

[mellow pilot]

yes

what Iker said

[wet abyss]

For clarification, are you saying that if I joined a +7 and completed it I'd get a +7 key next week?

[mellow pilot]

yes

[empty burrow]

yes

[mellow pilot]

99% sure its the same key level

[empty burrow]

Well if u timed it u get a +7 if u complete u get a +6

[wet abyss]

that... could actually work. Might be hard to get invited to keys without already having a good score, but it could work. Thanks for the info chaps, might save me a lot of trouble.

[heavy comet]

finding guild/friends to do keys with makes it a lot less painful too

[mellow pilot]

Keep in mind, the lower the key, the harder it is for the group to actually have a brain

[wet abyss]

I've got a guild that's friendly and has a few decent players, but find it hard to coordinate run times with the people who are actually active. I'm always asking in guild chat if anyone's interested in joining my keys when I actually have time, but mostly get complete radio silence. I don't really want to leave, though.

I recently learned about the existence of the community finder; I don't know how communities differ from guilds, but do you figure that would be helpful to find people to run with?

[steady tundra]

Just heard that rogue's give a raidbuff, a 3% dmg reduction? but i cant find it, not on my buffs or talents

[wet abyss]

It's a poison type from your class talents

Atrophic poison

[fringe umbra]

Atrophic poison

[steady tundra]

oh i found it, and i guess it's only used for raid? cause it wasnt specced with the m+ build i found for assasin

[wet abyss]

The m+ builds mostly seem to use numbing poison, which I guess is probably better for trash

Dying on dungeon bosses usually happens because of people goofing up mechanics after all

[steady tundra]

true

[mellow pilot]

atrophic can still be used in m+

in really high keys where theres just too much damage

[wet abyss]

the builds you find on wowhead or icyveins or whatever are generally understood to be starting points for people who aren't already experts

if you want to push highest difficulties or whatever it's probably better to copy somebody who's doing better than you

[mellow pilot]

doubt

bleed builds for assa can be used up to 20s

and its also the reccommended build in wowhead

[wet abyss]

The best build isn't always gonna differ from the recommended build, but it might

[mellow pilot]

(assa) rogues are just switching from bleed because they need more ST in their comp

[quartz harness]

I've only played rogue since I started wow in season 1 and I want to try other classes now. I leveled a sham to 80 to be resto but I didn't use it much. I couldn't tell if it was lack of complexity or just deterred to grind for gear.

feels like I stuck with rogue in the beginning because of how much effort it took to feel like I'm operating the class properly, do you guys have any suggestions for other classes that match this flow of complexity? Pref a healer

[mellow pilot]

Really hard to compare a healer's job to a DPS's job.

Complexity wise i feel like disc priest is always the hardest to master BUT i'm no healer

[wet abyss]

Resto druid has a lot of moving parts, and when things are going smoothly you even pop in and out of cat form to do extra damage, so it mixes in some rogue stuff

But yeah healing is very different from dps, there's a lot more reliance on intuition and instinct and a lot less perfectly optimizing gcds and following a flowchart

[quartz harness]

I just kinda assumed down the road the as resto shammy i was just placing totems at the right time and then spamming corrode on peeps

I'll look into resto druid. I really just wanna try the other role and maybe id understand more of the game bc atm i just know what rogue does and how to best perform as rogue lol

[wet abyss]

I hear resto shaman is a wild ride in pvp but in pve it's probably not nearly as complex, yeah

[quartz harness]

Not looking into pvp for the time being

It could also be the style of playing a caster was not that cool for me too, which is why i was looking into mw monk

[steady tundra]

does outlaw use dagger in offhand or 2 one hands?

[mellow pilot]

i believe it doesnt really matter

But you can ask that directly on #outlaw

[wet abyss]

Holy paladin has a good deal of melee going on, though you do still have to cast sometimes when people stand in stuff

[steady tundra]

okey, ye i had a one hand and a dagger in my warband bank so i will work for now

[mellow pilot]

yeah the only mandatory weapon for outlaw is the 1 handed in the MH

[wet abyss]

Dagger offhand generates more energy because it attacks more

[fringe umbra]

It does not, its normalized so you get more energy per proc from a slower weapon as outlaw

[steady tundra]

oh so that's why, cause i remember back in shadowlands outlaws wanted a dagger in off hand

[mellow pilot]

Thanks for clarifying Eleem homie

[fringe umbra]

Whereas for sub thats not the case

Need 2 daggers because otherwise you lose combo points and energy

[mellow pilot]

You can't stop pvpers from using a sword tmoged into Tfury

[mellow pilot]

#outlaw message

[grim scroll]

!ambush

!ho

[sour patrol]

[worldly forge]

Im still not sure if this is bad or good

It would be cool, to use Cnatrip 1-hands on off-hand

but its also not cool, to use Cantrip 1-hands on off-hand

[ember nest]

i liked folly quite a bit

for how silly it could get

had a socketed one that lasted me the whole expansions kinda since i dropped it

and still did weekly run to try and get it for people too

[sour patrol]

I'm trying to remember the endings of the Legion raids, and whether or not you can get teleported out without having to hearth

[mellow pilot]

Create a raid group in the custom LFG after yo finish, wait a few seconds, leave the raid group

That should port you out after a minute iirc

Unless they changed it

[sour patrol]

Yeah, that's good

I'll try that

On that note, the only encounter I'm worried about is Eonar. I ran it on Druid last week and understood that I had to stop the first two Final Doom. It didn't seem like she was taking much damage from the smaller adds so I was focusing on killing the Destructors and just AoEing the smaller adds when they grouped up in front of her.

Guess I just need to be wary

Going [Emerald Nightmare] > [Trial of Valor] > [Nighthold] > [Tomb of Sargeras] > [Antorus]

[cunning verge]

Eonar is a really easy fight, you get given the leap which lets you get around quickly.

[mellow pilot]

Eonar is one of those fights that should be scaled to 1 player and make it even easier. A normal person won't know what dafuq they need to do in that fight

https://www.reddit.com/r/wownoob/s/Bauh0hVaMz
How fast can a thread be locked?

[cunning verge]

I mean that comes down to simply: not having researched the fight or not having done it before, nothing to do with the fight itself.

[mellow pilot]

Every fight but eonar - press 2 abilities

Eonar -

[cunning verge]

Eonar: go between one of three points (that flash on your minimap) and press 2 buttons (you also have flight during the fight which makes it easy)

[mellow pilot]

And then go into the spaceship

And click the 4 crystals

And then get out

And try not to die because of the red debuff

[noble kestrel]

Ye, it's annoying. Wouldn't mind them doing a Kel'Thuzad if there's only one person and spawning a special NPC to tank stuff for a bit.

[mellow pilot]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

Eonar is a weird fight if you never did it / didn't research it. But who would research a fight from 10 years ago anyway

[cunning verge]

Shift+J is your friend

[mellow pilot]

Suuuuure

If shift+J was all it took, people wouldn't be doing guides on YouTube

[sour patrol]

Killed Fallen Avatar too fast, floor didn't break

Sudden Demise RIP

[woeful geyser]

thats the most "redditor that doesnt do content above +7 dungeons that watched the RWF once" comment ever

like, bruh

[mellow pilot]

I cringed a bit too

[noble kestrel]

I just reply "prove it" to those kind of people

then I go do something else

[woeful geyser]

like, cant say "its a decent tool for understanding the absolute basics if you cant understand the basics by reading a guide, but in the long run you kinda want to learn to play by yourself"

no

it must be "YOU CAN BE BETTER THEN PEOPLE THAT PLAY IN THE 0,1% RANGE!!!!!!!!!!"

[main mulch]

karesh Season 3 is august 12th

they really want to get to midnight asap, before november

[mellow pilot]

yep!

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ghosts-of-k-aresh-releases-august-5th-377658?utm_source=discord-webhook

[fringe umbra]

Doubt midnight would be before november

That would mean this tier less than 3 months

[noble kestrel]

I'd be amazed if Midnight happens this year.

[main mulch]

there are no hints to a season 4, as much as i wont mind one

[noble kestrel]

It's gonna be jan / feb.

[main mulch]

bc i want to collect cosmetics haha

[noble kestrel]

We'll probably have a longer S3 with Legion Remix around December ->

Campaign Chapters 1–3
Dungeons: Dungeons on Normal, Heroic, and Mythic 0 difficulties (excluding Tazavesh).
Delves (all tiers, no Bountiful Delves or Keys)
Great Vault credit begins``` 🙏

[open oak]

does anyone know if there’s a way to transfer gilded crests from main to alt? or any catchup mechanic?

[noble kestrel]

You can't transfer them, no. Alts get discounted upgrades (So 10 per instead of 15) up to the highest iLevel once you have the achievement iirc.

[worldly forge]

Prolly February

[sour patrol]

Late Feb, Early March imo
Legion Remix in January.

[noble kestrel]

Quite likely, yeah. I personally think Remix'll be december.

A good holiday event to bring people back

[worldly forge]

I think Remix sit November

[noble kestrel]

Ye, could be

[worldly forge]

like the half mark of Season 3

[noble kestrel]

I bet we get a date at Gamescon

[worldly forge]

Where do we eat on our date?

[noble kestrel]

I could go for some thai

[static epoch]

so we can get a hero item by doing delves or M+0
neat

[wet abyss]

I decided to try out bm on my hunter now that she's level 80... breezed through a t8 delve at ilvl 619

My rogue had to be overgeared for each tier of delve until I discovered the permanent tricks of the trade cheese

[mellow pilot]

I've never played tricks and I've been clearing delves easily as assassination

I don't think it's a rogue problem, bm Hunter is literally just op there. Bunch of pets, feign death, ranged, etc

[wet abyss]

I was having a lot of trouble with sin delves because everything hit me for like 30% or more, even the smaller trash

Healer brann could barely keep up even on small packs, it was usually doable but only if a good amount of the damage was avoidable

[woeful geyser]

huh

[wet abyss]

there was one boss that I died to twice because most of his damage was unavoidable

[woeful geyser]

like

branns heal potions alone keep you alive

[warm steppe]

i find this so funny, people commenting on this post and have no clue what hekili does or doesnt do, it recommends when to kick, use defensives, trinkets, cool downs, and even battle potions and your poisons depending on which talents you select

[woeful geyser]

unless you go into T11 with a fresh max lvl character

[woeful geyser]

thats a stretch aswell tbh

[warm steppe]

a stretch? its literally what it does lmao

[woeful geyser]

like, it literally cant tell you the right moment to use cds/trinkets/deffensives

because reality is working different

[warm steppe]

i mean for rogue, we press cds on cool down for the most parts. each class is different

[woeful geyser]

the order? yeha sure, but fight mechanics and all that stuff are a thing

like, literally the entire "problem" with those rotation helpers is that they have no context to the actual fight going on AND you dont learn actually reacting to those things

good for "learning" the absolute basics of your class/specs (lets be real, most people that use them dont give a fuck about learning because then they would try to....learn it by looking up their rotations and gameplay rules..... instead of downloading a pretty picture addon and follow it without thinking why they do it at this moment), not good for fights where delaying/focus swaps/preactive usage of things are a thing

[warm steppe]

thats just fight knowledge, which is subjectively easier than your rotation

[woeful geyser]

? mate its WoW rotations

they are not hard lol

[warm steppe]

key word subjectively

[main mulch]

i forgot what the eonar mythic fight was about, but i remember something about going inside the paraxis or whatever that ship was called.

[woeful geyser]

i mean, you can think that

but saying that rotations are harder then fight knowledge is a bold take, when WoW is a game where the rotations are overall REALLY simple and all the minmaxing is by using fight knowledge lol

[warm steppe]

yeah okay man

not argueing with a bleb

[woeful geyser]

like, most specs in this game have the same base structure: ST filler that generates resources, ST dmg ability that uses resources, AoE resource filler, AoE dmg resource user, 1 or 2 dots, and then is mostly just CD's

[woeful geyser]

[wet abyss]

Fight knowledge might be important in raids, but in mythics it seems to generally amount to "dodge markers on the ground and maybe interact with one mechanic that can be summarized in five words or less"

[mellow pilot]

And yet people keep failing those

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-muppets-meme-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-16984538577250620315

[sullen elm]

For mog farming with this event, class doesn’t matter right? Like I can get cloth drops on my warrior and collect appearances?

[hazy halo]

Yes, they changed that a while ago that you get transmog even if the char you farm it with cannt equip it.

Great change btw

[mellow pilot]

BUT if you're a completionist, legendaries like the sylvanas bow from sanctum of domination would only grant the achievement if you got it on an hunter p.e.,

Even tho you would gain the appearance nontheless

[sullen elm]

Gotcha, I also have one of the windseeker bindings on my rogue and it appears those are not warbound lol so thinking I’ll do the world tour on my rogue

[mellow pilot]

Yes, legendary items like those are not warbound.

Just keep giving molten core a try until you get the 2nd binding

[sullen elm]

Got tusks of mannoroth last night, so now I caught the mog bug

[mellow pilot]

hehehehe

Been there :3

[pulsar rain]

Every class has combo points nowadays

[woeful geyser]

not cp, but a simmelar "generate thing, use thing for dmg ability" loop

[mellow pilot]

That's how a good game is design around

Build, spend, repeat

[glad harness]

Some people did praise the snake-eyes way of playing

[mellow pilot]

I don't remember what that is about

[glad harness]

It can be boiled down to perma sinister strike

[mellow pilot]

Oh OH I REMEMBER

[woeful geyser]

can you really call them "people"?

[glad harness]

Im a feral player, everyone is people to me

[static epoch]

hmmm
so apparently next season gear is using +39 itemlevels from 684 rather than 678
interesting

this means...Champion 1/8 will be +45 and 681 rather than 675
which, in turn, means that champion 4/8 is 691 and still a sizeable upgrade over 684 gear
darn, kinda hoped to get into Hero gear from the get-go without bothering with Champion

[severe cloak]

anyone knows ilvl drop from m0 next season?

[static epoch]

681, apparently

if it's champ 1/8 (and it should be)

[severe cloak]

nice thanks

[sour patrol]

Got Mimiron's Head so that's one nightmare done, 6th attempt.
Also did ICC, 12 total but no drop.

[steep dock]

got gmod today

[faint bough]

anyone got any favorite rogue/leather raid sets? realizing i care more about getting some good tmogs rather than most mounts

[steep dock]

[mellow pilot]

Ulduar / nathria / sanctum of domination / uldir / battle for dazar'alor

At the top of my head

[whole torrent]

i cant launch myu game?

[mellow pilot]

No idea

[steep dock]

Close bnet and then run repair on wow

Couldnt today either

After repair it worked

[oak tartan]

I can't launch your game either

[spare dune]

Good game. Quite a classic

[mellow pilot]

... nice.

[spare dune]

I don’t think you think that was nice.

I feel hurt.

[mellow pilot]

nono

it was such a good joke

i got it :3

[spare dune]

[steep dock]

[lucid grail]

is this week's cap for raid renown at 20?

[wanton rivet]

When was the last time rogue was mentioned by blizz outside of the changes to killing spree ?

[glad harness]

What changes are you looking for? Do you not feel rogue is in a good place?

[fringe umbra]

Subs aoe could use some help for sure

A lot of people dislike the hero talents, but theyre not rework those in a random week on ptr

[woeful geyser]

i want outlaw gone

[glad harness]

I think personally fixing balancing in one spec in a triple melee spec class is pretty low on the priority list. (In jest I could say something along the lines of being below spriests fifth rework)

[woeful geyser]

[fringe umbra]

Youre right, but it also sucks waiting 3 years for them to fix things

[glad harness]

Rogue as a whole appears to be in a super solid spot at the highest level of all content, so just seems a little bit weird to ask for changes.

[past yoke]

I def want hero talent chsnges and some sub love

[barren ledge]

fate bound tier set/ hero talent clunkiness cleanup would be cool(cold blood fix) so that the new tierset that make it 90s is actually 90s and not weird + a bit of fate bound aoe help

[formal fulcrum]

People playing rogue at a high level doesn’t mean the class has good gameplay or hero tree interactions

[glad harness]

Sure, problem is just when we usually read about the lack of patch notes for rogue on here, people are more mad about the lack of text on a patch note than what could be potentially changed

And for the record, the answer to the initial question is last week when they changed poison prio for obr Which just further goes hand in hand to show that text on a patch note doesnt correlate with meaningful changes.

[plush dune]

speak for yourself, thats the one change i was waiting for

[mighty hatch]

@reef ingot

confirm?

are f erals people?

[reef ingot]

Nope

can confirm ferals are cats in people suits

[mighty hatch]

i knew it

[formal fulcrum]

Will rogue be tuned based on how well it performs with full raid buffs i.e. mystic touch

[unborn grove]

Who knows?

[plush dune]

🔮

[faint bough]

Will my mom make me chicken tendies tomorrow for being a good boy?

[random flicker]

Yes 📈

[wet abyss]

Has anyone ever done a t11 delve at ilvl 597? I just cleared a t8 on a 606 druid and it got me thinking

[ember nest]

you likely could do fungal folly

i remember doing that one with rat ass gear

just kite them into spores if one of the quests that have it is up

[wet abyss]

Yeah fungal folly was the one I did. Would have cleared it without the spores but they sure made it a breeze

[harsh yew]

Mycomancer cavern is also good for that

[cosmic pasture]

Any of the fungal ones for sure, where you can use the delve mechanics to make up for any dps you're missing.

[shell trout]

is raid testing today or tomorrow?

[novel karma]

is wow broken right now? it takes forever for it to open

[neon glen]

try opening the task manager and killing every wow and battlenet process including background ones

[quasi galleon]

easily, I leveled up my monk from df for the algari tank/healer acheivements, and was able to walk into 11's in the 590 range. Just cant face tank things and ignore all mechanics like on main

[silk blade]

I typed -d3d11 in startup options, went to the wow exe and selected run as admin and disable full screen optimazation and did scan and repair for the game, fixed it for me but before that it took 10-15 min to open or it wouldn't open at all

[cedar falcon]

So for you multi-spec stabbers out there, how do you decide what spec to play at the start of a tier and when to swap it up? Is there a method to the madness?

[mellow pilot]

I play what I like

I like assa

I play assa

I don't play content where my spec matters

Aka I don't mythic raid nor do high end m+

[cedar falcon]

Ah gotcha, for context this is in an aspiring CE guild

[mellow pilot]

Not RWF right?

[cedar falcon]

No

[mellow pilot]

Then it probably doesn't matter much

Play what you like

Spec matters for the 1%

[cedar falcon]

Fairs

[shell trout]

Any rogue gamers streaming ptr raid?

[fervent ibex]

whispyr i think

[desert cape]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1WwbpkS28CeZ7_lqqWLdumjZV7_kwJeGEUQ2O4dWenOc/

Biggest things to be aware of: runed crests don't matter if you do +10s, recraft your embellishment from cloak before patch drops, and if you also play a non dual wield class you may not want to craft a weapon

[steep dock]

[faint bough]

twist sends his regards 🌹

[desert cape]

I really only hang out in the outlaw channel but I know that the good rogue specializations have that channel muted

[faint bough]

they have it muted cause sub have their own lil club and outlaw chat moves too fast for assa, theyre used to waiting 3-5 business days to press a button so lots of letters scare them

[plush dune]

mainly

its

the

typing

like

this

[ember nest]

im innocent!

[desert cape]

@zealous halo called out

[plush dune]

not even close to the worst offender

[zealous halo]

fake

did you update the fury warrior part

you didnt ..

[proud barn]

is there any outlaw or sub streamers on rn for heroic ptr testing?

[desert cape]

Someone said whispyr earlier

[proud barn]

found whispr for assa, zac for outlaw :3 haven't seen a sub pov yet

[fervent ibex]

if you scroll long enough in the wow section i'm sure you'll find one at some point not sure myself

[warm steppe]

lmao, said the same thing. bros posting this like its the holy grail every damn season

[mellow pilot]

If people like it, even if it is ... not that useful for most people, let them do their thing

Didn't hurt me personally

[steep dock]

yea I dont mind,cool guide

[mellow pilot]

Basically a "yo bro min max the first 2 weeks AAAAAAAAAAAAH" guide

But some people are indeed into it

[visual mantle]

whispr was playing sub when i was watching him

[desert cape]

He already ranted at me in the warrior discord even though I wasn't the one who linked it lmao

[desert cape]

You know what's funny that that's what it's turned into because my first time doing it was because my entire guild didn't understand what domination sockets were and so I wrote a guide for them and it kind of leaked out

And then during dragonflight when they introduced The Crest system I realized that it was solvable and one for that too

[steep dock]

[woeful geyser]

you are stinky

or something like that

idk

[desert cape]

Spoken like an assassination rogue

[plush dune]

is it unclean stinky or kind of hot stinky

[woeful geyser]

#1 is outlaw, #2 is assa

#3 doesnt exists, just like sub outside of the first 4 weeks of a raid release

[warm pagoda]

[mellow pilot]

I have no problems with it, and you mostly link it when people ask for it.

[desert cape]

I just thought it was interesting

Going down memory lane

[glad harness]

As long as you are only linking it upon request, when its relevant, youll be fine in regards to our self promotion rule

[silk blade]

Is it just me or are S3 m+ dungs looking kinda meh

[novel cipher]

All but two are retreaded tires

Or was it all but one I can't remember

[haughty kelp]

ty larias i will be sending this to my silly lil raiders

[meager totem]

I think its fine other than halls

well priory is a stinker but its bareable

atleast in non m+ title range levels

[ember nest]

as always new dungeon stinks

but we shall see after doing it 100 times

[faint bough]

Flood was kinda lowkey a banger besides the downstairs part

[neon glen]

bubbles

[sleek agate]

is there a current sim of windfury value anywhere? i know the bloodmallet one went away, was never sure why. i appreciate being able to see a sim value for that + PI. anyone know of another source?

[fringe umbra]

The purpose of those charts were to determine which people should be in the windfury group

As every raid group that has a shaman is now a windfury group the chart is no longer needed

[sleek agate]

right - and its really hard for me to guess at that without it tbh

wait did they make it raid wide and im just behind the news?

[fringe umbra]

Yes

[sleek agate]

oh welp ok 🤡

thanks

[fringe umbra]

Or well, its not a totem

its a buff every shaman spec has, just like motw from druids

[sleek agate]

literally had no idea lol. shows my xp the last 2 seasons

[silk blade]

can I have 2 of the same crafted rings?

[worldly forge]

Yes

[dreamy escarp]

has anyone tried logging raid fights on tauren on sub and assa? I see tauren sims pretty high for outlaw but was wondering about the others.

[glad harness]

Racials is the most miniscule of differences, its not worth paying attention to

[left crow]

I'm sure in all my years of (heroic) raiding I gained more damage from stoneform by dropping the odd debuff and not dieing than I could ever had from other racials.

[glad harness]

Thats not going to show up in sims or in logs though. In the most generic of context you will have way better results optimizing your toolkit and your planning of fights, than swapping race for the 0,000001% dps

[woeful geyser]

(and dwarf/tauren share the same racial effect anyway)

[fiery coyote]

for outlaw dwarf/tauren is like 1.2% ahead of the rest

kind of annoying, it's a nontrivial difference

[plush dune]

i am once again asking to decouple combat power/utility from racials

[worldly forge]

Just let me switch the racials

and let me be whatever racial i want to be

[formal fulcrum]

Blizz would love to lose $30 per race change

Any excuse they give besides monetization is bs

[woeful geyser]

common outlaw L moment

[wanton swan]

yo does cata classic have crossfaction endgame content? or if i join opposite faction dominated realm im cooked

[neon glen]

classic doesn't have xfaction no

[robust nacelle]

@fringe umbra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbMsdJXQSuE

this guy is cookin' or what

[mellow pilot]

I haven't seen the video but:

• 5 < 8

[rotund patrol]

he is right

the point he is making is that the physical classes will be tuned around mystic touch

it's like augvoker problem 2.0

[glad harness]

Ok, so its not a nerf

Guilds without monks are nerfed

[winged tapir]

Can someone point me in the direction of the PTR patch notes discussing all the rogue changes? Can’t seem to find them.

[faint bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/additional-patch-11-2-ptr-development-notes-rogue-and-warlock-buffs-377719

[winged tapir]

Holy crap I thought I was making a joke bc there were none

Pretty big changes pending for Sin looks like

[fervent ibex]

yea he's cooking ong fr nocap on a stack

[robust nacelle]

Sub rogue for pandaland

absolute banger of a spec

[ember nest]

it wont be pretty

[worn echo]

Any prediction on what specc is going to be meta in s3? Was going to play assa because I suck at sub

[mellow pilot]

Are you a RWF player?

If not, play whatever the hell you think its cool

The vast majority of us aren't in the top 1%

besides, its still PTR, no one knows, tier lists are fake and if anyone says they know, they don't.

[warm pagoda]

I dunno I've been consulting the orb for a while now.

[noble kestrel]

My orb says it's gonna be outlaws turn

[warm pagoda]

I hope you kept your reciept for the orb, I think its broken.

[noble kestrel]

It's a tennis ball

[warm pagoda]

What the hell the orb shop only had golf balls when I went

[warm steppe]

why are you calling the magic 8 ball an orb

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons8ball-deez-nuts-8ball-make-a-wish-merps-gif-26138412

[plush dune]

how else would you ponder your orb

[long ice]

That’s a very personal question

[sullen lodge]

Looking at the new season so far for a person who enjoys playing rogue (mostly outlaw and sin) would you recommend maining it? Planning on 3k rating and a few mythic bosses

Does the class seem to be in a healthy spot relatively?

[mellow pilot]

Why wouldn't it be

And if your friend enjoys the class why would he change?

Any class can reach 3k and kill some mythic bosses

[sullen lodge]

Only played as an alt never committed for a full season

[mellow pilot]

It's all about how your friend feels about the class then

[long ice]

You could probably play it pretty casually and still get 3k

[sullen lodge]

In recent times rogue seems to be kinda ignored by devs, not receiving many changes?

[mellow pilot]

Hm hm

We have the changes we need (we don't talk about the ones we don't get)

[sullen lodge]

Atleast one spec always performs kinda well so its pretty safe like coming from a mage/lock where one spec is also always good

[mellow pilot]

Yeah basically!

I'll honestly say that at the levels you're talking about, it doesn't matter

What's 3k when there are people pushing 4k

[sullen lodge]

With that one viable comp tbh and if i remember theyre topping around 3600

[mellow pilot]

What I mean is just have fun

[sullen lodge]

Yy thanks

[mellow pilot]

If your homie enjoys rogue he'll be able to 3k easily

Also tell your friend to just hangout with the rogues here

Probably the best way for him to gain some theoretical experience

[deep lance]

do y’all know any toys that make u a kul tiran for a big amount of time?

[mellow pilot]

You can buy the AH item OR use that one toy...

Fuck I forgot the name

But both are a 1H buff

[plush dune]

gleeful glamour

[deep lance]

Can I spam any of those? Or will there be times where I can’t be a kul tiran

[plush dune]

at r3 it lasts an hour with a 2h cd

so 50% fat guy uptime

[long ice]

should be 1hr cd, criminal being 2

[deep lance]

If only horde had kul tirans…

[inland gale]

@sharp elm idk if you can clean this up

[nova scroll]

does anyone know of updated resources for alt gearing? I have some general ideas (dastardly duos, weeklies like the theater, the map for delves) but I have a hard time keeping track of all of it

[left crow]

random question about meaning of "to cook / be cooked". English is not my native language and I'm probably older than most of my fellow kids in here: if someone is cooking (active) that's a good thing? Meaning she is achieving something good by her actions? And if someone/something is cooked (passive) that's a bad thing? Not really sure from the use of it here.

[worldly forge]

Like for example a Sin build without Deathmark and Poisons is cooked (bad), cooking is more like "thinking" about something

Or trying to create something, like when you are at a new Boss, the Raidleader tries to cook a decent strat for your group

[plush dune]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[worldly forge]

Classic doesnt even have X-Realm

[noble kestrel]

Ye, it can be positive or negative. It's typically the general idea of 'cooking' something i.e., making it, thinking it up, putting it together. "They cooked" can go both ways. It's all about context.

[worldly forge]

i never seen cooked

in a positive way

[noble kestrel]

I have, although it's rarer.

[meager totem]

yeah was gonna say lets be honest cooked is meant negative way 90% of the time

[pulsar rain]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[noble kestrel]

Context of it's use is the most impotant part.

[worldly forge]

i mean

He cooked good

is more like the use of "cooking"

[noble kestrel]

Yeah

[worldly forge]

and not cooked

If you use cooked, to describe something its mostly negative

[noble kestrel]

"I'm cooked" tends to be exclusively negative in use, though. "He's cooking" is variable "He cooked something special" would depend on the context, etc, etc. Internet vernacular tends to be extremely flexible and dynamic haha.

[worldly forge]

Ye but he cooked something special

Is still the verb "cooking"

while cooked is something to describe

its confusing

[noble kestrel]

But it'll depend on the context because internet vernacular doesn't typically adhere to traditional rules.

[worldly forge]

True

[meager totem]

such a cooked thing to say!

[noble kestrel]

I did cook last night because it was 25c

[left crow]

I almost followed it and this comment threw me off again xD

[meager totem]

nooooooo im sorry

[noble kestrel]

Haha

[left crow]

I guess I have to make more of an effort to follow context. And the basic verb=good but adjective=mostly bad is helpful. Thanks guys.

[worldly forge]

Yeah basically

[noble kestrel]

Ye, pretty much

Just keep in mind that internet vernacular, unlike most, doesn't adhere to strict verb / adjective / etc rules all the time. So sometimes you've just gotta look at the greater conversation, attitudes, etc.

[worldly forge]

Bro

People cant even read 2 sentence above them

and ask the same fucking question

[noble kestrel]

Look, scrolling up is a crime

[worldly forge]

You are a crime

for Sexiness

[noble kestrel]

[pulsar rain]

When I think of "I'm cooked" I think of it as if their brain has been cooked which is not good for thinking

[noble kestrel]

Haha, that's a good way to look at it

[worldly forge]

Whats next?

Saying a Smooth brain isnt good !?

[noble kestrel]

I love that term

It's such a fun one

[pulsar rain]

Cooked n smooth like a glizzy

[noble kestrel]

"He cooked so hard his brain turned into a steak frite"

[plush dune]

smooth brain

undamaged by blemishes or wrinkles

true perfection

how can it be anything but a good thing

[worldly forge]

real

[pulsar rain]

Ret paladin??

[worldly forge]

We dont talk about ret palas

They are not worth your breath

or your finger muscles

in this case

[warm pagoda]

We just shake our heads disapprovingly at them

[noble kestrel]

Unless they're really good

[worldly forge]

Being a good ret pala

Is the equal to being bad at any other class

maybe you are good too on fury

[warm pagoda]

So, never

It's like a good boomkin. There's no good boomkins, only ones that lick less windows than the others.

[worldly forge]

tbh

There are almost no good pug rogues

[noble kestrel]

I'm the exception.

[fervent ibex]

It gets used in many different ways

You’re cooked: you are dumb/bad/etc

You’re cooked: something bad is gonna happen to you

They cooked: they did something cool (sometimes used sarcastically as the opposite)

There’s actually so many different meanings, it’s funny

[noble kestrel]

I wonder where it originated from

[worldly forge]

Has to be German

[left crow]

I am German 🙂

[worldly forge]

Ye me too

[left crow]

can't be from us

[worldly forge]

But like German is a Master in having the same word

for completeyl different things

[fervent ibex]

Well the older sayings are just like “your goose is cooked” as in “you just fucked up and consequences are coming your way”

Then the whole “hold up, let him cook” meme started

[noble kestrel]

Ye, but that wasn't really used online, was it? Although it's a great saying.

[fervent ibex]

And that kinda originated all the ways it’s used now

[meager totem]

your*

[noble kestrel]

Ah, absolutely. That whole meme trend. You are right.

[meager totem]

[fervent ibex]

You’re cooked

I’m on mobile

[worldly forge]

*mom

[fervent ibex]

Hoe

I mean

Wut

[meager totem]

[worldly forge]

HUH

HELLO MODS

[meager totem]

shes a lovely lady Ill have you know!

[noble kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-chef-gif-8018411468436362534

[fervent ibex]

[worldly forge]

your`re

[warm pagoda]

Yore

[fervent ibex]

You r cooked

[noble kestrel]

Mate be cookin' up a beauty on the barbie

[fervent ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-cooked-hes-cooked-you're-cooked-ur-cooked-gif-6506674444416174542

[meager totem]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[worldly forge]

Isnt it like

middle of the night

for trickz

[noble kestrel]

Maybe they're cooking

[worldly forge]

*their

[mellow pilot]

I've never seen a couple of grown up dudes talking about the meaning of "cooked" for so long while maintaining it serious.
You guys are seriously cooked

(see? Another example!)

[worldly forge]

You are seriously handsome

[mellow pilot]

Thank you, I gotta agree with you there

[fervent ibex]

Ye

Getting enough sleep has never been my forte

[worldly forge]

actually based

i mean

sleep is for the weak

right !?

Just be like Zeross

Pop 12 Redbulls into your espresso

and shotgun it

[noble kestrel]

[wanton swan]

That i know, i just thought it would be funny to join an opposite faction realm just to fuck around on wpvp, but it seems im gonna ruin everything else by doing that

[worldly forge]

Yeah

I mean XFaction was only introduced in DF

second Patch

iirc

[soft siren]

Hi, is there a place to look for a guild? It's really hard to find 1 in game 😦

[warm pagoda]

There's recruitment discords, may be worth looking them up

[worldly forge]

Yeah Recruitement Discord or WoWProgress

[soft siren]

Where can I find recruitment discords?

[warm pagoda]

https://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers

[mellow pilot]

You can also check #recruitment

[warm pagoda]

There's different ones for NA and EU

[neon glen]

the guild finder tool they in game is atrocious actually

you find guilds progressing BFA still. I sure hope that's just old info

[warm pagoda]

I got into my current mythic team through the in game finder

[neon glen]

yes but you are the goat

[unreal gulch]

I think thats the secret potion for the m+ mindset

[jagged comet]

Hello guys for s3 rogue ass or sub because I start rogue and I want main this for s3

[reef socket]

Damn really? 😅🤣🤣🤣

[mellow pilot]

Whatever you prefer

[jagged comet]

There will be no big differences in terms of dps

[mellow pilot]

For the past few years, the main difference between specs is people not knowing how to even play the spec properly. If you're not a RWF raider not a top1% m+ player, spec does not matter

[jagged comet]

I play only raid 😅

[mellow pilot]

My statement remains true

[stiff mulch]

is there an easy answer to should I craft max level off-hand(658), wrist(655) or amulet(658) ?

or upgrade stuff like chest or pants as much as I can

[mellow pilot]

You can sim that

But upgrading the off hand should be your last choice

[stiff mulch]

so if im too lazy to sim what is my best bet

[mellow pilot]

feelscraft

whatever you feel like

[ruby totem]

Sims can definitely tell you which is best. We don't know what your gear is or what stats are on it or what you are playing

Upgrade the piece you like the art for least

[mellow pilot]

Hopefuly it isnt the off hand

[stiff mulch]

ok so the easy rule is to not upgrade the off-hand at least

upgrade vs craft is also situational then right

[ruby totem]

Offhand art all makes me mad

[mellow pilot]

that blue button there

[ruby totem]

Yes. We don't know if you have a 600ilvl neck or what

[mellow pilot]

that answers the "what should i upgrade"

[ruby totem]

Just grind out 1k crests and upgrade it all

Its that easy no thinking

[mellow pilot]

for crafting is usually weapon into bracers/belt/boots, for the 2 embelishments, and then craft to replace low ilvl items

[stiff mulch]

im sick of doing these dungeons

im crawling to 3k

started late

[ruby totem]

Noone holding a gun to your head to do them just don't do them like me

[stiff mulch]

I'm too close 😄

Is there a rule to which item to craft? I've been crafting the ones with two stats

[mellow pilot]

Yeah you want the ones with two stats mainly

and no integrated embelishment

[ripe meteor]

Questions, for races.. Is there a big difference between maghar and orc for me to waste a couple hours of leveling?

[warm pagoda]

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mellow pilot]

You know

[warm pagoda]

Also no

More than likely not

[mellow pilot]

If you're not a RWF raider nor a Top 1% M+ player

just go with looks

Looks = DPS increase

[ripe meteor]

thanks gang

[plush dune]

no problem

[inland gale]

No problem

[mellow pilot]

no problem

[faint bough]

PROBLEM

[ruby totem]

You can just sim

They are all generally quote close in damage

[novel cipher]

Just as long as you don't play vulpera because their racial is cursed and on the gcd

[gray niche]

Yo chat does Rogue look shitty next season?

[stable bison]

unbelievably shit, unplayable even

[reef socket]

Yeah dont play it, we are all gonna reroll

[mellow pilot]

What is right next season?

Thrash thrash thrash

[scenic flame]

thats true? All specs?

[stable bison]

no, im takin the piss

[scenic flame]

Ah. How is the current pve content?

[stable bison]

well new content soon, if thats what you mean

[scenic flame]

I havent played since the anniversary event

[visual sigil]

Do we have the loot table already?

Okay, my bad, 5 min search were enough https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-3-raid-manaforge-omega-encounter-journal-in-patch-11-2-377362#soulbinder-naazindhri-2685-details-loot

[tough swallow]

time for some classic advantures (doing the intro quest for the mount, then uninstallling)

[worldly forge]

I first read, fuckclassic

[meager totem]

youre gonna get spam reported with that name

if theyre still doing that

[upper shale]

I thought you had to be a monk

[worldly forge]

Only pandaren

[noble kestrel]

Yeah, just Panda

I did it as a Rogue too and lmao I forgot how MoP pre-patch rogue felt

[worldly forge]

Panda Starter quest

Were so easy with heirlooms

Felt. Weird to use them

Because you couldnt Do that in real mop

[tough swallow]

only need to be a pandaren as someone else mentioend

[formal fulcrum]

It’s starting to look late for any big changes. So hope for tuning and bug fixes at best

[robust nacelle]

The napkin math of our classic wow nolife scarab lord race

already 1/3 of the scepter

not even 2 days and we saved eranikus

[polar slate]

im having an argument with a friend of mine

are mythic dungeons daily or weekly lockout rn

basically boils down to how hard can oyu degen week 0 of the new patch

[ember nest]

daily

so yes you can get champion gear from next season but it is not really worth

unless you are undergeared

but for some trinkets maybe you do that one special dungeon

[polar slate]

but that was changed in s2 wasnt it

or was it already changed back from that s2 change

[mellow pilot]

mythic as in M0 right?

If they keep giving champion gear, unless they got changed, they are weekly lockouts

[ember nest]

so they got changed then

[deep lance]

does anyone know how to get back to the assault on the dark portal area??

[mellow pilot]

assault as in WoD?

[deep lance]

yes

[mellow pilot]

let me check

[deep lance]

he will take you here right?

[mellow pilot]

Afaik, if you havent done the intro, i believe so

but i can't 100% know because i did the intro 0-100% without leaving that area

[deep lance]

damn its the wrong zone

[mellow pilot]

you're in the old blasted lands?

if thats the issue, talk to that npc

[deep lance]

its not that idkkkk omg

im trying to get my friend to go back to this area,he left by accident and doesnt know how to comeback anymore

[meager totem]

just fly from stormwind if youre alliance or fly from stv if youre horde?

if you got phasing problems

[wet abyss]

The other day I was wondering if it was possible to solo t11s at 597. Today I did one at 555 on my freshly dinged priest. Can't say I recommend doing that, it sucked :^)

[cedar falcon]

Any Achievement hunters in the game? Wondering if theres any guides for someone who wants to start achievement hunting

[mellow pilot]

https://discord.gg/achievements

[cedar falcon]

Ooo thanks

[sick finch]

also maybe this

[sick finch]

https://discord.gg/allthethings

[tidal loom]

Is there any point coming back to game without purchasae War Withing update? I stopped playing 10months ago on Dragonflight, so there is 10 levels and tons of stats difference already?

[reef socket]

If you dont purchase war within update you'll just have until DF

so no endgame and all the content from DF

[tidal loom]

Yeah but still can meet people with WW update, running with 80 lvls etc, so automatically all my flasks and stuff is less worth in AH, would be harder to find someone for m+ runs or raids i guess. Unless 70+ lvl people from WW can join there but their bosses and mobs stats will be adjusted just like in random time walker dungeons?

[bright wraith]

no keys

df raids are just like they were in df

no legacy yet

[wet abyss]

If you don't have the current expansion you're not really even playing the same game as everybody else

Course we're pretty deep into this expac by now, you could technically wait however many months until midnight and buy that instead

[tidal loom]

by midnight you mean next expansion?

[mellow pilot]

Yes

[tidal loom]

ah, thanks

i bought 1m sub out of curioisity and didn't notice it's already 1y with WW

I guess i will use this time to eventually level up alts and maybe agather some gold and then wait for next expansion

last question, is 30d sub token worth 380k gold in WW expansion? Or it has higher price there, because it's easier to get this amount of gold?

[mellow pilot]

The token price is the same doesn't matter what expansion you are

It goes up and down but it's the same for everyone

[tidal loom]

Thank you, I didn't play any other DLC on OG blizzard server before DF, so i wasn't sure

So yeah, easier to get those token price amount in WW update but i will probably do as you suggested and wait another year to see if there will be new expansion around

especially when summer sale is already gone for good

[wet abyss]

Tbh I wasn't serious about waiting for the next expansion, if you're willing to do that to save... what is it, a measly forty bucks or something?... then you probably have some pressing concerns to address before you consider playing wow at all

[mellow pilot]

If you don't intend to play current expansion and just stick with good old farming, being lvl 70 isn't a bad option

[wet abyss]

Fair point

[formal fulcrum]

Paying $40 for one season is a rip-off even if affordability isn’t an issue

[mellow pilot]

Also depends

[formal fulcrum]

But also I’m still sour about D4 so maybe just me lol

[mellow pilot]

if... he wants to do current content or if he just wants to checkout the whole expansion campaign

[mellow pilot]

i havent played D4 so i couldn't coment on that 😦

[formal fulcrum]

D4 just feels like diablo immortal where all they care about is monetization

[neon glen]

TWW was 50% off like a month ago. It might go on sale again in 2-3 months

[wet abyss]

40 dollars is one mediocre dinner for two at any crappy chain restaurant

It's up to you to decide if like 6 months of current expac content is worth more or less than that to you

I'm in complete financial ruin and even now I can't be bothered to worry about spending that kind of money on something I like

[rocky plover]

How worth are those to craft?

[fringe umbra]

Not sure what you mean, theyre cheaper than 400 potions for your raid

But if youre just crafting it for yourself its horrendously expensive

[rocky plover]

For raid yup

Can we get tempered potions from those?

[fringe umbra]

Yes

Assuming the person crafting them knows the recipe for tempered potion, but thats kind of a given

[rocky plover]

Ohh got it

So i shouldnt craft flask cauldron cuz i still dont know chaos

I wanted to craft one of the cauldrons but i guess ill have to wait till i full learn flasks

[shell trout]

where can we see some damage data from latest raid testing session in ptr?

[fringe umbra]

Theres some spreadsheets around

But the data is pretty much entirely useless anyway so

Like shockingly on the hard fight where most wipes are 40s in the burst classes do well, who would've thunk

Not very representative of balance overall

[shell trout]

right, that makes sense ty

[robust nacelle]

Smashing every previous record for scarab lord in this guild,took us 37 hours

🍆

[mellow pilot]

Fucking poggers

That must have been amazing

Who got the title/mount?

[past yoke]

🍑

Gz tho, has to be an amazing feeling

[robust nacelle]

Our GM,Jamesmarcus(mage)

(the one with the skull)

[thin ferry]

anyone else have connection issues on EU realms? rarely am i able to join because the loading screen gets stuck and if i get kicked pretty soon after.

[little oracle]

just fyi why the hell im i so scared of rogue haha i enjoy evertyhing about them im just scared to be shit

[mellow pilot]

Hmmm

We fear what we do not understand

Step one is trying to understand

[random flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-gif-24482299

preach

[mellow pilot]

[little oracle]

i must be scared of failure sensai xD

[mellow pilot]

Brother, we fail everyday by launching the game

[little oracle]

True

[warm pagoda]

[warm pagoda]

Don't be scared of failure, be scared of failure and not improving

It's fine to screw up, just take it as a learning point

[mellow pilot]

Now for real, I'd say check the wowhead guides first, and try to have a bare minimum of understanding in whichever spec you choose

Then return with questions in the specific spec channel

[little oracle]

okay dokey

[mellow pilot]

Don't @ me

[warm pagoda]

@mellow pilot

[mellow pilot]

Hello darling

[warm pagoda]

Hi Royal how's your day going?/

[mellow pilot]

A lot of physical work today, my arms aren't keeping up

[noble kestrel]

Time for cybernetic arms

[mellow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-eric-foreman-light-bulb-idea-gif-4680281

[faint bough]

I got one of the bindings of the windseeker on my rogue, do I just stick with farming Mc on him or do I keep running with my other alts