outlaw

[solar hazel]

omnicd is small for me though but ig i can make it bigger

[vivid vessel]

that update

[frail veldt]

most people use a wa for their group

[vivid vessel]

oimnicd

is afk

so

[lime lake]

f

[vivid vessel]

can be pretty annoying

[frail veldt]

yeah

[lime lake]

hes too busy working with blizzard to make their default ui replacement

[vivid vessel]

and there is no github repo

[lime lake]

[frail veldt]

I had to update it myself

[vivid vessel]

which tilts me

[frail veldt]

it had old ass cds

and wrong cds

[vivid vessel]

ye its ass

idk

[frail veldt]

very annoying

ALSO

fucking bigwigs

[vivid vessel]

if there was a github repo it would be easier i hate how there isnt

[frail veldt]

nameplate enemy spell cd

is MAX STRATA

and the strata control is [wip]

so I have to go in and set it to low in the fucking addon code every time theres an update

very annoying

[proven ocean]

mewo

ur cooked

[frail veldt]

I know buddy

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1379273688616013984.webp?size=96&animated=true

[solar hazel]

is it possible to make diminish work with jundies plater?

or maybe i installed the wrong addon

[vivid vessel]

i mean

it says right here

diminish

and ytou just downloaded the one

that doesnt say diminish

[frail veldt]

yeah you just got the wrong addon

[vivid vessel]

skill issue i would say

[frail veldt]

its the top one

the one you got is from 2014 haha

[solar hazel]

i just looked at which one people downloaded the most

[frail veldt]

yeah thats good

just also gotta check date last updated nowadays

[solar hazel]

man i think cause i'm using elvui and turned off nameplates and the diminish doesn't show for plater or something

cause it doesn't register them as nameplates

well i will find some way

yep it does :/

wait maybe chatpgt is cooking

[solar hazel]

yeah blud was not cooking he said find the diminish module in plater but that stuff does not exist

[quaint mauve]

would u guys think log reviewing my low keys is worth. i want to make sure im not making mistakes rotationally still

[keen belfry]

vod review better

outlaw logs are cursed

[craggy barn]

5% gdi

[solar hazel]

how bad is using elvui nameplates and plater at the same time 🙂

[torpid fiber]

one just overrides the other right?

my memory is that elvui pops up and goes "which one do you want to use, the other one will be disabled"

[quaint mauve]

gahhh is it bc blade flurry

blade flurry is ruining my life

[keen belfry]

no cuz its hard to tell whats right to press at any given moment in logs

need vod

[gaunt phoenix]

the ho build is easy to read

for the kir build it's hard to track if you are doing rtb or builder rules right

[olive mesa]

Hey, I normally play sub and am new to rogue. Do i need a Sword and anotehr slow weapon in my off hand or would a dagger work in offhand?

[glass mortar]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[covert kestrel]

Elvui nameplates are cooked

[solar hazel]

anyone who can quickly tell me what the hallowfall offhand is i can't find it

[wintry solar]

Boooooo

Boooo cudgel boooo

[solar hazel]

also is the misdirect wa functioning correct cause i tried it in m+ and that stuff did not want to work

[craggy barn]

it should work

if ur seeing tricks not going on cd, thats just how trickster tricks works

2% gally almost

next week for sure

[solar hazel]

but my afenar wa shows trickster build when it is used or has uptime on something

• i also got hit in the face

[craggy barn]

maybe redownload and redo the macro

mines working just fine and i havent really messed with it

[solar hazel]

okay

[drowsy topaz]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[zenith shore]

hi friends is belt fixed yet or is it still bugged

[tender wedge]

fixed by the looks

[solar hazel]

until when do you want to use cudgel weapon?

[sudden fulcrum]

it's only for trash

so when you reach a boss

[solar hazel]

i see

[quaint mauve]

got 6 buffs

pressed KiR

died to KS

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-patrick-spongebob-sad-gif-355481321846362250

[next wedge]

[agile stag]

hi gn first time here ❤️

[solar hazel]

is it normal that i am overcapping too much on energy in kir build 11673 haste, thought you need around 12k according to rank 1 and some archon data

cause i'm pressing on every gcd but when i ks for example i just sometimes sit on max

[next wedge]

im PARSING

[torpid fiber]

sim yourself, but you always want to hit 25% haste in combat with buffs bc otherwise you don't get the full gcd reduction from adrenaline rush

[solar hazel]

should i sim on one target or aoe?

guess i can do both

[lone spear]

dont worry too much about energy

its something that doesnt matter if you have at least decent rng and are playing well

and something that just sucks and cant do much about if you get unlucky

if you're coming from classic it can feel weird "wasting" energy

but its not an actual problem in retail

[proven ocean]

@hollow temple dude wtf is this, its telling me im gonna logout

6 hr timer wtf is that for

[balmy topaz]

Zeross

Halp

I’m potentially returning but this spec actually a spec

[proven ocean]

dont come around here too much zac gets crazy when ppl copy his pfp

take this as a mild warning

you don't want to know what happened to the last guy

he never came back

[craggy barn]

real

[hollow temple]

its called getting nerd logged

nerd

[proven ocean]

I wasted 15-20m today lvling skills

Good day tho

Happy with the progress i made today

Over 150 levels

Kinda nuked it hard today

[hollow temple]

[proven ocean]

Will be done with quest cape skill requirements this month for sure

[hollow temple]

Ez

[proven ocean]

Only thing im worried about is farming im at like 55

[hollow temple]

I’m pretty much done with the reqs I just need to go and do the quests

[proven ocean]

Idk if i make it, i prob will

[hollow temple]

Farming is quick if you just do trees/fruit trees/hardwood trees

Can throw in a herb run or two per day etc

[proven ocean]

Ya i do them

[hollow temple]

As you unlock higher level trees

The exp drops get really big

[proven ocean]

Whats the point of doing sins of the father btwv

I remember it being important

[hollow temple]

You’ll get it easy

[proven ocean]

But i cant recall why

[hollow temple]

It unlocks vyres

You can afk kill them or thieve them for blood shards which are expensive

[proven ocean]

Hmm

I tried inferno today btw

First time, i think i reached wave 13

[hollow temple]

It’s one of the most afk money makers in the game but only like 1m/hr

[proven ocean]

Had no idea whats going on

[hollow temple]

You gotta learn a lot about positioning

[proven ocean]

Prayer part seems super easy ngl

Just need to know the positions and what adds do what

[hollow temple]

Ye now that we have prayer regen potions it’s very easy

[proven ocean]

And then its gg

[proven ocean]

Its fine i can prob even prayer flick later

[hollow temple]

Before we had those you were forced to prayer flick a lot of the waves to save restores

[proven ocean]

Just need to remember the game again

[hollow temple]

Nowadays you don’t have to flick at all really

[proven ocean]

I do it for fun because i find it easy idk

I like it

[hollow temple]

Only when you have overlaps and hve to off tick pray 2+ mobs

That’s when things start to get interesting

[proven ocean]

U mean mage+ranger guy ye

Should be np i think, i saw the video

[hollow temple]

There’s a couple diff situations where you gotta do it

[proven ocean]

I think i’ll struggle with movement only

And swapping gear

[hollow temple]

I think the only part I’ll really struggle with is the jad while doing zuk

[proven ocean]

3 jads look alot easier than i thought

[hollow temple]

Yeh

[proven ocean]

They’re still desynced by a long time

[proven ocean]

Yeah for sure

[hollow temple]

You should look up the simulator

[proven ocean]

Theres one now? Wtf

[hollow temple]

You can practice any waves

Ya

Google inferno simulator

[proven ocean]

Is it scuffed or

[hollow temple]

It does the job

[proven ocean]

Will try tmrw

[quaint mauve]

ok i feel so much better

now that im tracking my ar better

and using my vanishes better

idk how much dmg im SUPPOSED to be doing tho

i should sim huh

[lone spear]

ye, sim good

however if you want to see how much you should be doing just hitting a dummy, be sure to turn off raidbuffs

and flasks and damage pots

those will add the biggest increases

[quaint mauve]

YOOO

i did both patchwerk and uhh dungeonslice

and im doing pretty close to what i sim

im so happy

obv im doing worse than the sim

but i thought id be way off

[lone spear]

aye grats

those big leaps in improvement are always fun

my advice: stay away from parse comparing

it will only drive you insane (like me)

once ur in that orange

ur good

[quaint mauve]

i used to do that when i was playing warr

i had one 100 parse in SL and that was my peak

i’m washed now

my fingers old and weak

i was a hyper ass 15 yr old i wish i woulda played this over fury warrior

[quaint mauve]

i do not raid anymore however

mythic raid was making this game unfun

[lone spear]

yea i had a similar experience

took a while to just find a 2 night guild filled with great players

[quaint mauve]

4 , 3 hour raid days

a week

i still raid actually but like in a way more casual setting just to get gear

[tender wedge]

It’s taken me like 10 years to find a 6hr a week CE guild

Brute force CE guilds are just unsustainable imo

[quaint mauve]

people will do anything to be top 100

even if it’s sacrificing all your life force into playing raid 5 days a week

[tender wedge]

i mean those top 100 guilds are another thing

im talking about the 3 night a week guilds who struggle for CE every tier

[quaint mauve]

oh

yeah thats different

but id say thats the average

[nimble sage]

im new to melee and i take A LOT of damage each m+ run, I do pretty good damage for my ilvl (not to brag) but I take an enormous amount of damage because I am so focused on my abilities and cds. Is there some addon/WA that will tell me "yadayada you just took x damage from Y" so I can try to be better at playing melee?

[quaint mauve]

if ur new to it u just need more repitions until u can dodge things man

[zealous phoenix]

Was about to type this. I'm new to rogue this season and my brother said the other day how much I have improved in M+ just by doing them more

[forest glade]

Hey all, is the recent rules on RtB just reroll on cd unless 4 or 5, playing supercharger

[nimble sage]

Of course but I don't understand WHY I am taking damage at some points, which is annoying because it's hard to improve

[quaint mauve]

look through combat log

;p

[nimble sage]

I want instant feedback!! 😄

Also, bosses and mobs still parry if you don't attack from the back/side, correct? I see a lot of melee standing in front of bosses

[random stirrup]

for the HO build, yes

[random stirrup]

mobs classified as raid bosses do, some raid bosses still don't if it's difficult to get behind them for some reason (gallywix doesn't parry), rarely some m+ bosses do because they are technically classified as raid bosses (iridikron in galakrond's fall is the most recent example I can think of, don't think rashanan did in dawnbreaker)

[red zinc]

If you’re playing trickster no

[random stirrup]

and ye as long as fazed debuff is active on a boss they can't parry either

[vivid vessel]

i got parried by last boss darkflame

thoughts

[random stirrup]

zeross wouldn't have gotten parried

[torpid fiber]

blizzard should keep doing this but only in your dungeons

[vivid vessel]

nah but how does this boss parry tho

thats crazy or

[torpid fiber]

literally any boss still parrying in the big 2025 is crazy

[tulip quarry]

Where there hotfixes on rogues during the week ?

I lost like 300k dps St without changing a thing

[tender wedge]

Belt nerf?

[tulip quarry]

Nah simmed after belt nerf

[forest glade]

Ty

[snow hill]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel do you still stream

I need a refresher course, has much changed since 11.0.05

[vivid vessel]

of course

[vivid vessel]

nothing right

i think

[random stirrup]

was still fatebound then

[balmy topaz]

Ohh is it trickster now

And melee killing spree

[tough salmon]

Actually weird we didnt get it as a raid boss like rash in s1

[lyric steeple]

any changes to outlaw talent in ptr?

[grim spear]

no just trickster 2pc

[civic zephyr]

does meld give another crackshot window like vanish does?

!meld

[ornate heath]

Night Elf does sim as the best race for m+, however there is a few quirks you need to be aware of:

• you need to restealth after pressing meld to trigger subterfuge (there is a slight delay)
• you cannot restealth against any boss (raid or m+) and some special global combat mobs
• meld can break quite easily if you move or take damage
• it seems that you need to break your stealth with something else than BtE to benefit from crackshot

[vivid vessel]

ye usually boss that parry are actual bosses

i wonder

why this one does

[fluid meadow]

8-10k run/week at +17, but when if there are always almost zero keys listed, or pug is deadge and everybody plays with team? can't be real

[open meadow]

Its also harder to find groups that exist that dont want pure meta comps the higher you go

[balmy topaz]

How easy is it for me to gear up

Like if I was to start right now

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint mauve]

i went from fresh 80 to 650 in a day

[balmy topaz]

Oh

@vivid vessel are you playing KIR still

[quaint mauve]

pretty sure he is

[vivid vessel]

ye of course

[balmy topaz]

Thank god it’s not a HO angle

[shy flume]

When you do the snd bug do u just cancelaura snd inti cast snd ?

/cancelaura slice and dice
/cast slice and dice ?

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[shy flume]

Somemtimes it wroks with supercharger and sometimes non supercharger point is there a consistent way to play arround it ? Or its just luck ?

[reef forge]

you rtb, use a spender and then after that it works for a little bit

its not super consistent but sometimes you can get an additional rtb out of it at the start of a key

[shy flume]

Can u stoneform or fireblood ks debuff ?

[violet swan]

Yes, except any bosses. And you need a macro like:
Stopattack
meld
stealth
not near PC, can’t copy my

Requires some practice in m+

[shy flume]

Dwarf is better for outlaw in general no ?

I mean for keys

[violet swan]

There is a race sim in fuu’s spreadsheet

[shy flume]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[open meadow]

what sort of in combat uptime are you expecting on AR during a dungeon? Depending on the dungeon I can range from 77-82 depending on how well i play, but im pretty sure thats quite low

[red zinc]

90+

anything above that depends on key level or rng

[open meadow]

So a lot of work to go to get that number higher 😄

[proper bear]

This shows KIR for dungeon slice, but do we have a look at HO compared for dungeon slice?

Within 2% for ST, I prefer HO and just wanna make sure I’m not leaving like 15% on the table for DS

[red zinc]

You arent

[grim spear]

never tried but I dont think we can

[nimble sage]

how do we sim aoe? can i just choose 5 bosses and sim as usually?

and in m+, which belt ability do we use?

[teal dust]

yo elvis

[inland acorn]

Dungeon slice (mix of packs into ST boss) or 8t ~1min (pure aoe)

[inland acorn]

sim dslice but probably charged crystal or critical chain like pins mention

[gleaming lagoon]

Is there a way to use vanish consistently in solo play without resetting mobs? Like macroing with another ability or something

[shy meteor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[cloud imp]

how troll is greenskin's wicker ?

[torpid fiber]

It's about timing it so you use vanish and then another ability when your gcd is up; macros can't really help with this (although maybe you could macro it to gs and take a dps loss? Idk).

Some mobs just instantly reset though for no apparent reason.

[gleaming lagoon]

Thanks. I hate offensive vanish so much, I wish crackshot windows were tied to anything else.

[wintry solar]

Fth during vanish

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

priory

we can be 1min/1min 30 faster with a cleaner run

was 2 deaths

[polar niche]

God

Ora vengo a vederti mentre sono a lavoro 😩

[late swallow]

Absolutely insane

Gaming

Meta comp chuds seething shitting and pissing

[brave adder]

@vivid vessel goat ^^

[vale warren]

phys comp is the real meta

[pastel egret]

I wish I could wrap my head around outlaw (and press my keys fast enough) instead of sin/sub 😍

[frank bane]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-you-are-without-doubt-the-worst-pirate-i-have-ever-heard-of-gif-17668372

XD

[frank bane]

Really you just need to maximize your Subterfuge windows for Crackshot. You can just fill in your Combo point gaps with AR and BF (if talented into Deft Maneuvers)

[pastel egret]

I get the theory, but smashing all the buttons so fast and remembering to vanish and AR and rolling all the time just doesn’t compute - but I guess practise would help 😅

[frank bane]

If you can play Danse Macabre, you can play Outlaw....trust.

[pastel egret]

Outlaw it is then! 🎉

[scarlet glen]

guys is there any possibility on this dc that i can upload my rotation and get feddback for it? because i have 672 ilvl and my dps is ass

[timid portal]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[latent oak]

u can type ! log and link a log

some people might be about to give u feedback

[scarlet glen]

okay i have to create a log first, tyvm

[feral whale]

whats up with blade flurry not working for older content?

running tmog and mount farms.

[scarlet glen]

works for me

[neat fjord]

fellas, maybe outdated question, but is killing spree on silken court mythic dangerous or no?

[feral whale]

initial hit does damage but then nothing elese cleave

[random stirrup]

when they bugfixed it recently to not cleave dead targets, it also had the unfortunate consequence of making it not cleave if the initial hit kills the target

[feral whale]

so workaround would be to blade flurry out of range 😄

thanks

[wintry solar]

Or just go as assa

Idk if you need daggers for fok

[feral whale]

so much faster with grapple '

😄

[wintry solar]

I use dk

Death gate out at the end

[hybrid crown]

Outlaw is still plenty fast just stealth past the trash whenever you can and figure out how the SND supercharger bug works

It helps to get that extra sprint and grapple between bosses. After you kill a boss have it set up, hit sprint, start spamming your snd. If you run out of CPS hit ADR and keep spamming snd . If you run out again whack a mob for some more cps

[proper bear]

What is the SND supercharger bug? Is that in faq?

[hybrid crown]

Idk I don't see it

[hollow temple]

you can spam SnD if you have supercharger charge up

just like you could with ER points

[hybrid crown]

Snd doesn't consume supercharger as a finisher basically

So one CP snd with supercharger is always 4 cp

I think it's always 4 or is it 3

1+3 right

[gaunt phoenix]

you have to consume supercharger once first

rtb > finisher > snd...

[proper bear]

Great - thank you

[copper radish]

bout to try and get some mythic liberation kills in. groups starting on cauldron now

[sharp hinge]

So outlaw looking decent on ptr?

[vivid vessel]

no its terible

we will get buffed tho

all good

[sharp hinge]

But it feels good to play atleast?

[vivid vessel]

not really

its the same as live

but you dont die from killing spree

and idk

you have less resources

and you do 0 damage

and killing spree last forever

but you dont die from killing spree so its alright

[sharp hinge]

Shoot, well I hope it turns out great. I did kinda fall in love with rogue this expansion

Minus killing spree

[covert heart]

I noticed there hasn't been much on outlaw on ptr other than the killing spree changes so makes sense that the buffs/other changes are to come soon

I tried the new killing spree I feel like if they shortened the time but kept the overall damage the same it could be just fine

[covert heart]

It was really good this season so maybe they wont let it be good again haha

For keys wise

[teal garnet]

They'll just wait til week one of mythic raid and then nerf us by 5% dw

[covert heart]

Could be worse could be a survival main like i was where they never let that thing be good in keys for long periods of time

[misty bridge]

it's probably been answered before, but since KS is gonna build cps, will stuff like HH/lethality/Broadsides affect it?

[scarlet glen]

!logs

[copper radish]

2/8 mythic from some LFG isnt too bad XD

[red zinc]

No

[keen belfry]

solo whens our note on teusday

[red zinc]

tomorro

[craggy barn]

note prediction

outlaw nerfed 5%

outlaw buffed 10%

ks reverted

[wintry solar]

KS nerfed

[craggy barn]

rogue raid buff removed and given to dk

sin and sub untouched

no notes

m+ update, if rogue in key, bubbles does not get killed by 3rd boss and u have to fight both at the same time

[hoary wave]

kd replaced with secret tech

ks*

[vapid knoll]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel notrickz thinks osrs players are as good as wow players in minmaxing pve content they couldn't even sim their dps until very recently and their raidbots is still in beta they were guessing their dps based on their brains cooked or ??

@hollow temple thoughts?

they didn't even have WAs until recently and they're all giga scuffed

imagine zac, everytime an item is released they never know how good it is until after 6-12 months

because they have to kill stuff to see how it feels

💀

what the helly

[hollow temple]

bro please stop being fucking dumb

[proven ocean]

in wow we know if a complicated ass trinket is gonna be bis or not day 1

before its even released

[hollow temple]

its the same in rs

stop being weird

[proven ocean]

?

u guys didnt even use lightbearer first few months

because everyone thought it sucked

now everyone who has a spec atk is like OMGOMG lightbearer op op

ssheeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

i still remember when it was released

all the youtubers with their infernal capes, omg this ring sucks it does nothing

no extra str

and now when im watching the gearing guides

they're even admitting it

[hollow temple]

as soon as an items specifics are released, they're added to the calc within a couple days

[proven ocean]

people didnt know how good this ring is until after x amount of months

i mean ur dps sim calc was only invented very recently and its still in beta

[hollow temple]

i can't speak for years ago when i wasn't playing i could not care less

[proven ocean]

your raidbots is literally in beta

[hollow temple]

why are you even dying on this random hill

[proven ocean]

its mega new

idk how hard it is to know that

[hollow temple]

it isn't the first one

[proven ocean]

im not, your just saying that im wrong and calling me dumb when the game was literally raw and dry few years ago

[hollow temple]

either way, i'm done with this conversation

idk why you start acting like an idiot sometimes for no reason man

[proven ocean]

and ur saying osrs is as competitive as wow in pve

[hollow temple]

[proven ocean]

thats really cooked

[hollow temple]

putting words in my mouth

bye ross

[plucky chasm]

Relaxxx

[proven ocean]

[plucky chasm]

Xd

[proven ocean]

relax

wtf

[plucky chasm]

Wahts going on xd

[proven ocean]

i only told him wow is way more competitive than osrs

in pve

and he got pissed off

osrs didnt have WAs, no raidbots to sim the gear so they know how good an item is after months btw

[shy pecan]

time for me to react to some messages

[proven ocean]

and they only added a new raidbots recently thats still in beta

and hes mad because he thinks there's echo and liquid and method in osrs

[plucky chasm]

I mean wow is for sure way more

[proven ocean]

my ass they dont even have 10% of those

[proven ocean]

thats what im saying

he got mad

[hollow temple]

i'm mad because you're acting like a dumbass

leave me out of it from here

[proven ocean]

?

i only said the game is less competitive and u got mad and ur calling words

chill out

[hollow temple]

nah

if you think thats the issue right now

i cba

[proven ocean]

you totally have players prepping for content 9 months beforehand thats for sure

back when woox was playing btw i still remember

he wasn't even logging in last few months before the inferno was released

[hollow temple]

again acting like i said shit i didn't man. this isn't the place for this, enough

[proven ocean]

i was watching all his streams and he still got world first without having to login beforehand to play the game and warmup

in wow u have echo playing 24/7 for 9 months practicing for 2 weeks of gameplay

everything gets sorted before its even released, datamining and things

[proven ocean]

i love the game tho im not trying to atk it or anything btw

its just giga dad type of game no cap

[plucky chasm]

I know brat

Im a new wow player started DF s4 i mean, i cant speak about wow that much as u guys can. But i know that WoW is way more Competetive compare to osrs (my whole clique played that & saying the same)

But okay everyone got hes opinion aswell

And thats okay

[proven ocean]

i did few r1 world keys this season in m+, ngl they are way way harder than -1 key

its not even close

[plucky chasm]

I wish one days i can play like you guys do pve wow

[proven ocean]

like night and day difference

you have to preassign everything and move in a very specific way

(no voice keys) same as zac

and everyone does the absolute highest dps possible

[plucky chasm]

Yeah, you Zeros inspired me to play WoW and start rogue. And then i found zac aswell

[proven ocean]

lots of things i could talk about how wow is way more competitive for 2 weeks ahead

its like endless idk

[proven ocean]

sadly zac isn't here im sure he has a good opinion on this vs osrs

[plucky chasm]

I mean i started the game df s4 as an havoc dh & reached 3k rio wirhout knowing exactly waht im doin xD

And then i found u and i wanna learn rogue

And play on an high level in the future

[proven ocean]

thats great man

[plucky chasm]

Not for r1 but i wanna run 19-20 keys aswell 😦

[proven ocean]

keep it up

i mean it'll only take you time to reach there

[pliant wind]

the most difficult thing to play in a high level

its getting into keys as a rogue

[glass mortar]

welcome back old friend

[plucky chasm]

@proven ocean you say this so easy brother.. i mean, im not played s2 tww because we movin to a new flat with ma girl & yeah.. i hope finally i can enjoy s3 and starting rogue

[pliant wind]

only 3 or 4 times i got into +18 then stopped trying

too many hours

[plucky chasm]

And i hope i can understand the talents and the basics etc

To get good

[gaunt phoenix]

Why

[glass mortar]

soloing old stuff for the event

its my raidfarm build

[fathom bramble]

BF doesn't work in old content anyway

[glass mortar]

i forgot my ghostly strike turned into it in my old macro

BR is our only uncapped aoe so when u pull a zillion things itll kill em all

its also an extra dash

basically the only content in the game its useful

[fathom bramble]

BF also doesn't copy correctly if your hit kills the target

[glass mortar]

yup

[fathom bramble]

which is basically always going to happen in old content

[glass mortar]

so its pretty useful in aoe

[fathom bramble]

so BF is just not working at all for old raids

[glass mortar]

u go fatebound too for the grapples

and just try to minmax the supercharger bug to zoom thru everything

[nimble sage]

since gohst strike if off gcd and has a very high priority, is there any reason not to macro it into all other abilities? im reading it myself and i think it sounds stupid, but is it?

[glass mortar]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[nimble sage]

im a very happy man atm

thanks

[balmy topaz]

Right I'm new back

how tf you get this belt

Delves?

Wait SND thing is abck?????

[verbal pike]

There's a quest in dornogal for the belt

[balmy topaz]

Also we take PC now?

So much stuff to catch up on

[random stirrup]

you wouldn't have been here for the glorious bugfix huh

[haughty wigeon]

what do u guys think of my anti crackshot build?

[craggy barn]

cooking season huh

not even taking gsw

smh

[haughty wigeon]

needed that one point for 1 in summary dispatched ofcourse

[balmy topaz]

What fix is that

[random stirrup]

#outlaw message

main one is that blade flurry has been cleaving dead mobs reducing its target cap since SL

[balmy topaz]

That’s wild

[lost slate]

Does outlaw has a preference for offhand weapon or two 1handed works?

[fathom bramble]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[lost slate]

Thanks

[nimble sage]

I was sure outlaw used 2x 1-handed axe, sword, fist or mace?

[hollow temple]

It can, but it can also use a dagger as an offhand

[balmy topaz]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nimble sage]

ah right

also, is outlaw st in raid really bad compared to assassination and subtlety?

[cinder relic]

Nop

[craggy barn]

just different profiles that fit better in different scenarios

[brisk crypt]

Hello there pirate peeps, So I'm considering changing my rogue spec main from assa to outlaw, and wanted to ask if you guys have any tips for a new outlaw rogue and also anything I need to be aware of for the start of the season? (Is it weak? Stat Dependant? Etc etc)

[craggy barn]

theres 1 specific stat dependency we have

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[brisk crypt]

Right

[craggy barn]

have u played outlaw before

[brisk crypt]

Other than hitting a dummy a few times, no

And I've been told its an arseache to learn but I'm kinda down for the challenge

[craggy barn]

read through the #outlaw-faq

the simplified rotation one is good enough to start

in terms of builds, Hidden Opportunity is the easier of the 2 to learn

[brisk crypt]

Gotcha

[craggy barn]

feel free to ask more specific questions as u learn in here, usually someone is around to help

usually

[brisk crypt]

Will do! It's always a worry changing specs cos I feel like for outlaw you need to commit lol, I feel like it'd be hard to change things up to multi-spec

Again this is all based on little tidbits i've been told xD

[craggy barn]

shrug
the biggest difference between outlaw and the other two is speed and uptime of pressing

rotationally its reactionary

but has a rhythm to it

the biggest difficulty in rotation lies mostly in the KIR 1FTH build (m+ build) due to builder intricacies and other outlaw rotational knowledge

whereas hidden opportunity is much more straight forward

[brisk crypt]

Gotcha

[sharp hinge]

uhh i think im stuck

took a flight path and somehow got stuck?

[thorny zinc]

is that the loading screen area down to the ringing deeps or w/e?

I freeze there a lot but it usually fixes itself

[sharp hinge]

yeah ive been here for 5 min

not sure what to do

[haughty wigeon]

tmog adds 1000% dps increase to outlaw

[thorny zinc]

maybe /reload? I feel like I get stuck bc of the loading screen but idk

[haughty wigeon]

ya

um

[jolly geyser]

close the game

[haughty wigeon]

i got that once

[sharp hinge]

still the same thing

[spring bay]

Does the new ks on ptr break roots like current?

[haughty wigeon]

i had to swap to a al;t

for a few hours

then when i logged back into my main

he flew up and back to the flightmaster in dornagol

then i cut my losses and dragonride to the ringing deeps

[sharp hinge]

that worked

[jolly geyser]

havent had that bug yet

I log between my pala and rogue too much ig

[opal raven]

!ho

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[balmy topaz]

So what's goiing on with our 2nd trinket in M+ I see differenet thing being use it just w/e

[glass mortar]

yea

pyf

like all our top trinkets r within 0.5% dps of each other

[balmy topaz]

Okay cool

[sullen surge]

that macro doesnt work for me lol

[gaunt phoenix]

it does, is it on your bar?

[sullen surge]

it is on my bar, dont know why it doesnt work lol

[gaunt phoenix]

what exactly doesnt work?

[sudden fulcrum]

tea in bank prolly

[lime lake]

wrong macro

my bet is its just not on stealth bar

[sullen surge]

probably that i guess

ill try again later

[worldly shale]

I dont think i used a flight path in like 2 expansions

[mighty pivot]

wdym flight paths are amazing when you go grab your 3rd chocolate milk of the day

[cinder relic]

Yep facts

I use em all the time

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/chocolate-milk-cat-gif-5859535619022794116

[teal dust]

you seen somebody try HO in ptr?

[cinder relic]

I did on testing the raid a bit

Feels good but it's numbers are a bit shit

[red zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1379273688616013984.webp?size=96&animated=true

the new zone is aight

The background looks a lot cooler than the zone itself

Love tazavesh though

and venari can get it

[quaint mauve]

lwk

im hearin u out

@keen belfry since logs suck.... would u help me vod review if i record my gameplay....

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[ripe ibex]

Awang is mine do not try to take him from me or there will be consequences

[keen belfry]

im nervous

[ripe ibex]

hey awang can you vod review first pull ws

[vivid vessel]

I can make you nervouser

[keen belfry]

👄

ive learned how to do first pull WS

its over now

[ripe ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1381852605713612911/Medal_h1G7cG1Nlw.gif

im gonna miss this next season

[keen belfry]

have i learned how to do garden boss? no.

gonna do it on stream here rq

on an 18

[ripe ibex]

wait ur streaming

[keen belfry]

nbd

[ripe ibex]

you need to make it so i can see it on discord when ur streaming

[keen belfry]

hows that

[ripe ibex]

https://i.imgur.com/Yj55qTh.png

i think

holy

ur the goat

[keen belfry]

XD

[teal dust]

i more lean towards m+ so wanted to know how is it doing compared to Kir witch i hate to play with

[chilly atlas]

i don't think you're allowed to not like kir in this chat

[cinder relic]

KiR looks a lot better than ho atm

[quaint mauve]

i will find you…

i think i’m doing fine based on my dmg compared to my
sims but im still making silly mistakes

my brains too slow i keep vanishing with KS almost up 😞 and forgetting to press KiR

[keen belfry]

go next?

[quaint mauve]

what this mean

[keen belfry]

broadside rp buff uptime on a boss

[quaint mauve]

you want broadside to be high right

i need to actually read what my abilities do😭

i’ve only been pressing things bc i’ve been told to do so

[gaunt phoenix]

bs rp are the best buffs for kir

[edgy phoenix]

just go ho

[quaint mauve]

no

i refuse

[edgy phoenix]

kir propaganda

[quaint mauve]

if KiR is better , i just rather start off learning it

[edgy phoenix]

its the same

[quaint mauve]

[edgy phoenix]

no real difference

[quaint mauve]

does it change my rotation in any way

[gaunt phoenix]

at the moment i dont think kir is strong enough to bust your ass playing it, i dont play it

next tier though

we'll see

[edgy phoenix]

still depends on tuning

[edgy phoenix]

yes u use ambush

but its easier to get around

[quaint mauve]

i’m too deep into the KiR propaganda machine 😞

[edgy phoenix]

[quaint mauve]

once i removed ambush from my action bars

i changed

[keen belfry]

my bad

@vivid vessel would have lived here

[gaunt phoenix]

the HO build has a simple rtb rule, just press asap if you have 3 or less buffs active

it also has a simple builder priority, mostly ambush (if availabile) > opportunity (if you cant ambush) > ss

[quaint mauve]

opportunity is uhh the empowered gunshot thing right?

[edgy phoenix]

yes

[lone spear]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

The pistol shot proc

[quaint mauve]

i’ll try it out when i get home today…

[gaunt phoenix]

u just have to be on top of rolling

the build rolls a lot

[edgy phoenix]

yeah u basically fish for 5 buffs

[gaunt phoenix]

Losing cooldown reduction on rtb is bad

[quaint mauve]

oh i did want to ask abt rolling

is it bad to roll for supercharge

[keen belfry]

wym

[edgy phoenix]

no stress with should i reroll not

[keen belfry]

rolling is good cuz of tier + supercharge

[quaint mauve]

like for example

[gaunt phoenix]

the rtb rules are they way they are because supercharger exists

[quaint mauve]

i have 4 buffs up

do i press rtb

[keen belfry]

kir?

[quaint mauve]

or hold

with KiR i press KiR then roll

but for HO

[keen belfry]

(thats a complicated question)

uhhhh what are ho rules? not 5 = roll?

[edgy phoenix]

if they are expiring u reroll

[gaunt phoenix]

HO keeps 4 buffs you would wait until it becomes 3

[quaint mauve]

if i get 4 buffs or more i always just press KiR if i remember

[quaint mauve]

okok

[quaint mauve]

is there more to KiR then what i said?

[gaunt phoenix]

the kir build has to see how many buffs it will retain through rolling

cuz it has a concept of buffs staying behind or not

you generally roll if you "will lose" 0-2 buffs by rolling

The faq talks about it

[quaint mauve]

hmmm i think i know what you mean

oh then i do know what you mean

ok i don’t think i was doing anything completely fucked with my rtb then

yay

i wish i can get some haste vers pieces 😭 i have so much mastery

[edgy phoenix]

u cant just craft atp in patch

[quaint mauve]

i can, but some drops along the way would be nice

i’m like 3 days in on this character i’m pretty sure :p

i have crafted wep and bracers so far

(i refuse to craft below 681 ilvl)

[edgy phoenix]

well ye

should like nightfall neck and ring from dfc get u there

like 18%

idk

[keen belfry]

mhm

[quaint mauve]

ehhh i got it pretty spot on

[frail veldt]

kir is worse if you arent playing it very well

by a lot

and even when played perfectly its like within 5% of HO

[quaint mauve]

wouldn’t it be worth learning pre next patch :p

if it looks promising

idk that’s just how i see it, i understand that it’s way more punishing and difficult

[edgy phoenix]

well its not like u are pushing world first keys so its what u enjoy the most

but if u are struggling learing and u dont like the struggle u can go ho which is way less mind boggling

[frail veldt]

it could be worse next patch

I mean if kir is more fun to you then def keep playing it

but if youre forcing yourself to play kir even though you enjoy HO more I think thats a mistake

but as someone who enjoys a challenge if youre playing it for that reason then more power to ya

[quaint mauve]

i did only wanna start playing this spec bc my friend called it the hardest in the game :p

[pliant wind]

imo i think it is

you need a lot of thinking and timing at a fast pace

but when you get used to it, it gets much easier

its a rotation in the end like all specs

[red zinc]

its easy when you enjoy playing it

Assa is piss baby spec but I just cant sit through playing it so itll be hard for me

[pliant wind]

Yeah buh Assa buh

i cant stand it

and in ST bufff

holyshet

[dawn talon]

i mean there's important distinctions to make

executionally outlaw is obviously the hardest spec in the game

bc of the pace of the decisionmaking

but at the same time it's pretty conceptually simple

[keen belfry]

how do i sim a a boss fight if you go into kezan with max stackjs

[gaunt phoenix]

override.precombat_state=buff.eye_of_kezan.stack=20

[keen belfry]

where in simc

[gaunt phoenix]

expert mode header

[trail plinth]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[keen belfry]

where is the

iexpertmode

i fouind

hm its saying its only .3% better at 684 in a 4 min 1t sim if i go in at max stacks

compared to heroic hoc?

that sounds wrong

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe it didnt work, try footer instead of header

or i can guess through your computer screen what happened without seeing it

[lime lake]

that does sound fun

[foggy valve]

how do you guys change the weapons? Is it a macro ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[foggy valve]

where can I find that ?

:S

[gaunt phoenix]

its in an older pinned message

[foggy valve]

u're a g

[gaunt phoenix]

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```

[keen belfry]

guess rn

[gaunt phoenix]

skill issue

[keen belfry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7j3RTeruJhgiVijPpAWXJ5

this looks right

[gaunt phoenix]

ah

[keen belfry]

footer is right

[gaunt phoenix]

big dam

[keen belfry]

making my guild give me either hoc, magnet or kezan next week

so i can dinar the other 2

[lime lake]

make them give you all 3

and use dinars for transmog

[keen belfry]

down

[sudden fulcrum]

[keen belfry]

how would i sim dlisce

not losing kezan stacks

[gaunt phoenix]

you cant dslice, it would have to be a droute with minimal delays

[keen belfry]

smh solo

but id assume

any key you can keep high stacks its gotta be 5% beter no?

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think its that much

[keen belfry]

if i do a 8t sim for 10 minutes its like 3.5% better

it keeps increasing right?

[celest cobalt]

3281 io, 682 ilvl, have every other key done on a 15, cant get into a 15 floodgate to save my life, any tips?

[sullen walrus]

@gaunt phoenix when will be update(pin) and new outlaw faq ?

@gaunt phoenix

[fluid iron]

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-red-wine-sleepy-bored-disco-lights-gif-22099515

[sullen walrus]

[tepid skiff]

raid_events+=/buff,buff_name=eye_of_kezan,stacks=20,first=0,cooldown=99999

idk if that works on dslice or not

but it works on regular 5 min 10 min whatever u want

[keen belfry]

ty cuh

[covert heart]

are there any good outlaw peeps on youtube to check out?

[keen belfry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p7Lof6uutSQoTMwimoVQqv 5.5% for 10min sim if i go into it with max stacks

[proven ocean]

#nerfoutlaw

#buffsin

#zactopdpsinPTR

name a color that starts with M

Mlue

[sudden fulcrum]

magenta

[lament locust]

zero hows the rs grind bro

[olive mesa]

New to rogue, is there anything for outlaw that applies slice and dice like for sub?

[late swallow]

Really good emoji again

[gaunt phoenix]

all rogues have that passive

eviscerate / envenom / dispatch applies snd

We have dispatch

[olive mesa]

ty

[proven ocean]

good, farming rogue set

got my top now

[lament locust]

oh nice i think i did pyramid plunder to 95 then kights to 99 after rouge set

was chill grind

[wind citrus]

hows outlaw looking for 11.2?

[lone spear]

bit early to tell, but so far not too different from live. killing spree will no longer kill us 🙂

[proven ocean]

@late swallow isnt it op in 11.2

[late swallow]

@vivid vessel was saying that outlaw is dominating on PTR right now

[proven ocean]

but zac told us to tell everyone its bad

or?

[late swallow]

It’s gapping healers in keys

[proven ocean]

@late swallow

u there

[abstract frost]

had a 95% AR uptime with 400+ BtE

hunter 3mil ahead

pressing two buttons

he finished a FG with like 11mil

[ancient echo]

team thoughts on the Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel? worth picking up/upgrading to max?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes it is worth, it is your bis weapon in aoe pulls because vanish resets the proc, but this does not work on bosses. on bosses you use a macro to swap to a real offhand

[ancient echo]

hmn

[gaunt phoenix]

!weaponswap

[ornate heath]

You can swap most weapons in keys. Outlaw swaps between the Nightfall event weapon for trash and a better offhand for bosses, such as Capo (change the name):

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```
If your offhand is the same name as your mainhand, then the above macro won't work, you have to swap by bag slot:
```#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <bag #> <bad slot #>```
Note that **Gallywix's Iron Thumb** cannot be swapped in keys.

[fervent summit]

How much of a disadvantage/damage loss is it to practice outlaw in mastery heavy gear?

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm mastery is like 1/2th the value of vers

usually

[fervent summit]

[gaunt phoenix]

here i took zac's gear and swapped all mastery rating with vers

73% outlaw mastery lol

that's the KIR build which does like mastery a little more than the HO build

[jovial lintel]

Lol I've been doing the same and trying to figure out how much of my terrible damage is my fault vs the gear

[delicate seal]

What rogue build runs 23k mastery out of curiosity

[lime lake]

that one

[glass mortar]

maybe sub

idk if they want that much tho

[gaunt phoenix]

just showing the extreme end

[stuck fern]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[proven ocean]

dude

im watching john wick rn

for like the 5th time

[sudden fulcrum]

which one?

[proven ocean]

2

[sudden fulcrum]

all of them seem kinda the same to me

i liked the new Ballerina one though

[proven ocean]

ballerina was cool but

john wick is something else

[waxen acorn]

@sudden fulcrum so how is hotline bugged with cudgel?

[delicate seal]

thats probably 1/5th of john wick

he fires like 1500 bte's per movie

[proven ocean]

thats because he has 100% ace proc chance

[sudden fulcrum]

hotline makes the cudgel stop working. why are you asking me specifically?

[waxen acorn]

haven't been able to get any real info on it and you were the only one that mentioned something

[strong cargo]

It keeps you in combat when you vanish not reseting the weapon proc

[waxen acorn]

got it

thanks for the explanation

[wintry solar]

fun fact

if you accidnetally vendor your heroic house of cards

you cant get it back via item restoration

ive been running a CHAMPION level hoc for God knows how long

did the upgrade track go down when they increased ilvl? Thats the only thing I can think of as to why its not in item resto

[forest glade]

Hey guys has anyone heard of, or know if it’s possible, to have a macro or addon call out how many combo points you’re on?

[vapid urchin]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tender wedge]

What are you trying to achieve here

[wintry solar]

hero track

[forest glade]

So I can listen for combo points rather looking elsewhere.

[quaint mauve]

i dont understand pressing flurry pre pull

[nova sinew]

its so you dont have to use a gcd on it

[tender wedge]

Pretty sure you could make a WA with text to speech that’ll tell you your current CP with the number changing as a trigger

Seems pretty simple

And very annoying

But each to their own lol

[nova basin]

ill make an addon that sings 12345 once i caught a fish alive to you when you gain CP's

[torpid fiber]

Don't let anyone else get you down, this sounds awesome for when you show off your UI to friends

[quaint mauve]

i understand why but like do i do it before i stealth at the end of a pull

[wintry solar]

yeah I used to have something

one sec

people are abrasive about the weirdest things

[nova sinew]

you just want it up before you enter a pull which generally is only at the start of a key/boss

[torpid fiber]

I personally don't think it'd be useful for me, but that's because I think having a separation of "sound effects always mean danger" massively reduces my mental stack from what it would be if I had good sound effects as well

[nova sinew]

outside of using it as a builder

[wintry solar]

idk why I replied to you

my b

[torpid fiber]

yeah dw

I guessed that you were replying to the wrong person

Happens

[astral pasture]

[balmy topaz]

btw what is this offhand wep everyone is wearing

and how do I get it

Curseblades

[wintry solar]

cudgle

cudgel

the hallowfall event

[balmy topaz]

Ohh nightfall?

[wintry solar]

yeahhhhh

[balmy topaz]

Ahh

I literally am new back

Didn't touch this patch

[wintry solar]

missed out

[balmy topaz]

So appreciate the info

[wintry solar]

youre welcome

[balmy topaz]

Was it good

[wintry solar]

I liked it a lot

[balmy topaz]

I heard HoF was scuffed

[wintry solar]

that may be true. I dont know too much about the hof scene

[nova sinew]

they changed how hof was rewarded half way through hof

and then it turned out the hof achievement was bugged and you had to reclear bosses you already killed

and then they manually added like 5 guilds for some reason

and then accidently gave some random guild hof becuase their name was similar to a different guild

and they extended the window for hof beyond what it normally would be due to the above

[balmy topaz]

HoF ended up being top 400 from what I heard

[nova sinew]

about that yeah

like 2-3 guilds apparently bought gallywix lockouts

[balmy topaz]

Ahhh

[nova sinew]

so instead of manually removing their hof

[balmy topaz]

He apparently was super easy

[nova sinew]

compared to oab and mugzee

so the concern is if guilds just bought the lockout to gally and skipped one or both of those two

[balmy topaz]

Also would someone mind telling me how Dinars work, do you get different quality ones (mythic, hc) or standard? Also do I need to defeat the Raid boss in order to get that dinar loot?

Also how tf do I get a dinar

[nova sinew]

everyone gets heroic dinars, you have to defeat the respective mythic boss to get their mythic loot, and you have to do all 12 keystones to get mythic dungeon loot

and its not account wide

theres a quest you get from the poster outside the bank in dorn

[balmy topaz]

Ahh yeah seen that

[wintry solar]

closest I have is musical notes going higher

I used to have one that said ready aim fire depending on number on CPs

[dense bolt]

ayoooo wb

[balmy topaz]

ayyyoooo Rem tyty

[wintry solar]

why is the cursor trail addon so much better than the WA

[forest glade]

Is it ready yet?

[wintry solar]

that may have been sarcasm

[vivid vessel]

How so

@wintry solar

Is it less laggy

[forest glade]

I know, but still keen

[wintry solar]

yeah

[quaint mauve]

so it’s not really a thing like throughout the dungeon?

that’s what i’m confused abt

i’m just used to using it as a builder

[nimble sage]

Is it only killing spree that is getting changed for 11.2? Is the spec otherwise the same? (What we know so far)

[quaint mauve]

i use it pre first pull but i can’t after idk

[nova sinew]

you can use it between pulls if you can get back into stealth

its just a matter of like, if you want a little extra duration in case you lose adr

but if youre at like 13s on bf and have adr after a pull, not much point in resetting it

[quaint mauve]

kk

[nova sinew]

but like youre gonna use it as a builder anyways so