subtlety

[sullen hare]

The changes to crimson tempest to where they intentionally broke the ability because of a no fok build getting cooked in discord told me exactly what I needed to know; they're still watching, they just want to force rogue players into a specific play style and just not come out and say what they're expecting

[fleet wharf]

no, but claude will

[marble sail]

[fallow nimbus]

What if we get the "sectec is usable 1 time per dance for free" talent?

[fleet wharf]

26.4 patch

[sullen hare]

See you in 13.0 prepatch

[swift tinsel]

They couldn’t even do that during alpha/beta to finish the haste rework after nuking haste-cdr dance

[fleet wharf]

but dude, MS blew through their entire annual AI budget in 4 months. we're fine bro

[swift tinsel]

This should be what Imp Sectech does

[sullen hare]

When rwf was over and sub was still left behind was about the point I gave up on this expac

[wicked wadi]

I just ran a key where my guidon and blades kept desyncing by 7-15 seconds. how tf?! never happened b4

[swift tinsel]

Weekly affix

[small sleet]

affix

[wicked wadi]

ohhh

[sullen hare]

Last Titan I'll probably just wait till a .7 patch when the game is 50% off retail

[swift tinsel]

It reduces cdr on your abilities but not trinket

[fleet wharf]

run 12s tbf

[swift tinsel]

Ye 12’s are your friend, more crests no affixes

[wicked wadi]

yeah I was hitting a bonus roll run and spam applied to 10-12s

got my loot btw ayy

[fleet wharf]

doing m+ as rogue is such pain

[swift tinsel]

Honestly 12-14’s are where it’s at vs 10-12’s

If you can

[wicked wadi]

it was the first key I've run with an affix this week so gg to me

had no clue ty

[fleet wharf]

idk how I feel about higher keys not having affix

[uncut monolith]

!commands

[swift tinsel]

I enjoy affix-less keys because I feel like I can play the dungeon without feeling bad about not being able to do anything about most of them

[sullen hare]

Imagine doing a +12 and you have to go to the other side of a boss arena to get a pulsar orb that spawned where no one was standing

[swift tinsel]

Can cloak the dispel every 2mins, assuming you don’t need it for anything in the dungeon

[swift tinsel]

Imagine being able to blind all the orbs

[fleet wharf]

it's so fucked how badly we get screwed over on dealing with affixes

[swift tinsel]

Without needing a non-orb mob to be in the radius

It’s so stupid

[sullen hare]

Imagine being able to feign death literally every absorb

[swift tinsel]

The orbiting orbs are fine, I’d like being able to Vial the dispel

[fleet wharf]

isnt Feign off GCD too?

[swift tinsel]

Emissary can troll hard

[fleet wharf]

jesus fuck

wht do we bring to any group

[sullen hare]

Now imagine you're able to cursor position a knock up trap right under the orbs

[fleet wharf]

fucking 3.6% DR that doesn't matter?

[uncut monolith]

Where can i link my gear to get some loot suggestions? Im max ilvl now.🤓

[wicked wadi]

misdirect has more value than people give it credit for imo.

[fleet wharf]

so true. i had to un learn lot of bad habits playing shaman

but the issue is it's not really appreciated by anyone not playing rogue

[wicked wadi]

ddh can send stars and slams all day with a trickster in group and not worry

[fleet wharf]

just sim it yourself,. or look at wowhead best gear page

[sullen hare]

Huge true. I like to be able to DPS recklessly even when my tank is doing 50k

[uncut monolith]

Wowhead rings are mix, icy veins are nexus set. What should i preffer? Fuu, true?

[fleet wharf]

just sim it and see which one gives you higher number for the content you care about

[swift tinsel]

Nexus point is a good place to roll regardless

[fleet wharf]

our dungeon slice is good enough iirc

[sullen hare]

You can sim all of that with gear sets on raidbots

[swift tinsel]

The rings are good, a few catalyze-able slots

Dagger

[uncut monolith]

Sims looks broken on max ilvl. The upgrades looks very rng..

[swift tinsel]

Droptimizer doesn’t work very well with haste breakpoints fwiw

[fleet wharf]

i love haste breakpoints bro

said no one ever

[uncut monolith]

Its all abou keeping haste.

[vale pine]

both are good, the nexus point rings are easier to get

[swift tinsel]

One of the big reasons I’m wanting to drop this spec

[fleet wharf]

the 0 utility, 0 attention didn't do you in first? shocker

[swift tinsel]

I’m used to that

These are new with midnight

[fleet wharf]

v fair

I am also feeling pretty done too

[swift tinsel]

Even though we rallied against them during beta

Not enough dev time allocated

[fleet wharf]

but we're low pop guiz

[uncut monolith]

Thx for responce. I appriciate any tip for next steps in my gear upgrades😘🙏🙏Summary: Grenthh - The Seat of the Triumvirate Level 19 (12:16 AM) - Report: VS / DR / MQD | Warcraft Logs https://share.google/gMHmEDDF1DVT7OKxy

[swift tinsel]

They gave us the time of day to rework how haste works for the spec, first iteration was bad so they changed hasted dance and Sectech cdr to just Sectech, with dance duration extended by haste but it was going to lead to breakpoint issues either way. If they had actually devoted more time to fixing the spec after the changes in November things might have turned out better but that wasn’t on the docket for us

It’s just another case of sub ending up in an abandoned state after beta

And it’ll get piecemeal patchwork bandaid fixes as usual

[fleet wharf]

not just the hastepoint but I really dislike that we've become just another iteration of the ret spec. Like everything else I loved about the spec was deleted in the transition to Midnight

[swift tinsel]

Tbf most specs have become ret

[fleet wharf]

yea, I understand taht we're low pop, but that can't be used to justify us getting fucked consistently

[swift tinsel]

Across the board, specs lack depth

[fleet wharf]

or rather, if that's going to be the perpetual state

[swift tinsel]

I don’t even think it’s a population reason

[fleet wharf]

fuck this, i'm out

[fleet wharf]

this soo much

[swift tinsel]

Dev team consistently get spread to thin

Things get perpetually pushed back

[fleet wharf]

it's ok though, now we get a new xpac every 1.5 years!

you get to fork over 60 bucks every 1.5 year instead of every 2 years

[uncut monolith]

Watch protpally in 16+

[swift tinsel]

Ret is an interesting spec

So many procs

[fleet wharf]

they actually have this thing called utility

that we lack

like you can affect whether your team blows up or not

[swift tinsel]

You should tell them that they have it

[fleet wharf]

shocker

[fleet wharf]

truee

[swift tinsel]

It would be news to many of them

[fleet wharf]

idk I just disliked ret because of how popular it is, but maybe I'm approaching this from the wrong angle

[uncut monolith]

I meant prot pally, bcs its hell at 16+ m

[swift tinsel]

Oh yeah prot paladin is paper

The moment it has solid survivability it’s so strong

[uncut monolith]

Yeah. Someone can say its broken mech by devs. If i compare it to sub rogue we are winners of this s1.:d and i dont have any reason to spit on itnhow it is

[swift tinsel]

Prot was a very, very plate-spinny spec

[small sleet]

guys the more i look at sims

i think ds in m+ may not be a joke

lmao

ive got some shit i wanna try with it, but i honestly hope it doesnt work

[vale pine]

its probably alright

if you play dark brew

[small sleet]

right now im looking at dropping a point in dark shadow to take both potent powder and dark brew

[vale pine]

probably better to not take pp

[swift tinsel]

Conceptually it would be cool if DS was good in m+ but that would take some heavy lifting to retool a lot of it

[vagrant fossil]

Surely the Blizzard devs decide to just random buff a thing, so they should make Singular Focus to like 10%

[swift tinsel]

If Singular was good, DN evisc wasn’t locked to single-target Evisc, playing around Unshakeable Drive

Which sin does now in ST lol

Having meaningful funnel via Singular would be cool

But sub and funnel have a troubled past lol

[vagrant fossil]

I mean, it's just that Deathstalker sub isn't in a position to usefully utilise Singular Focus compared to the way Assa is

[swift tinsel]

How so?

Conceptually hitting BP’s and Mass Casualty’s should work well with it

Or Sectech/clones

[vagrant fossil]

Ye, but compared to how assa is getting funnel out

[swift tinsel]

Wym

[vagrant fossil]

Basically on sub, if you want to do funnel. You'd be not be doing BP. So you're just doing less funnel than assa. And if you decided to use evis, you're just not doing AOE compared to assa

[swift tinsel]

Why would you not be using BP

Singular would take the BP damage and funnel it

[vagrant fossil]

Ye, but that is less effective than what assa can do

BP is doing reduced damage at 8+ targets

[swift tinsel]

They also only have one finisher

Besides rupture obviously

[vagrant fossil]

Meanwhile assa would get full SF value from every single bleed

And then just straight envenom spam is still doing more prio damage than Sub would. And you FOK for full CP every time

And with 8 mobs, you're basically not running out of energy

Though, Deathstalker assa before Caustic Spatter didn't work with Singular Focus was insane prio damage

[nova cairn]

[plush roost]

Are u playing 1100 because theres zero reason otherwise to go ds

[vagrant fossil]

Go play with your pistols

[plush roost]

Youre less ST than trick at 700/800

And less aoe

[small sleet]

you have no idea how hard im cooking right now

and by cooking

i mean burning the fuck out of it

[nova cairn]

[plush roost]

I can see the smoke from here

Whats the cook bud

Ill go grief some keys and report back

[small sleet]

no this is

far more grief than you could imagine

[nova cairn]

Cinema stream inc from charrend

[plush roost]

Is it my dark shadow brainstorm from last night

[small sleet]

thats one part of it yeah

let me hit some dummies some more and see if this shit works or not

[plush roost]

Lmfao share the sauuccce

Im at work i need day dream brain exercises

[small sleet]

HAVE PATIENCE

i gotta make sure this shit cooks because if it doesnt

its the most cooked shit

this is 50/50 the stupidest idea ive ever had or the next step for humanity

no in between

[plush roost]

Bros about to drop tornado goremaws

[small sleet]

i wont lie i talented into shuriken tornado like 30 mins ago to see what it actually did

but thats not part of the cook

[plush roost]

Its terrible kekw

Doesnt work with brew XD

[vale pine]

its not less, but not significantly better

[plush roost]

I was under the impression 700 ds was below 700 trick or did the ds buffs make it neutral

Like 1.8% below

[balmy mauve]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[vale pine]

last time i checked it was about equal, slightly ahead for DS but within a very low damage range

so you won't rly see a diffrence in game

once you get your haste levels up, you would see a noticable gain on DS

[wispy crystal]

Why is haste so important for DS compared to trickster?

[vale pine]

hero talents empower diffrent parts of your toolkit

deathstalker has more power in the capstone note (DN)

which means you want to get as many DN evis in dance as possible

while trickster tries to fit 2 secret techniques in blades

the haste gives you longer dance duration, which increases the chance to hit multiple dn's during cooldowns

[gusty lantern]

has premediation bug been fixed? do we use it again

[vale pine]

we only dropped it because of cloud cover

cloud cover did tripple the effects of fazed related buffs

which empowered builders by quite a bit

which made losing aa procs more costly

the result was the drop of premeditation

but the "stacking" of these talents got removed

[gusty lantern]

ooh that makes sense. Thanks!

[vale pine]

which makes the trade off fine, and again in favor of premed

(i mean, we don't run cloud cover anymore, or well there might be niche situations its better like potentially during leveling)

[gusty lantern]

another question, if I have both secret technique and coup de grace up going into a dance, do I still use ST as the first finisher?

[vale pine]

yes

secret first

[gusty lantern]

ty ❤️

[warm marlin]

they got this guy in the mines on saturday

insane

[sullen hare]

no premed was despairge times

it was the catalyst for me ending my sub

[half apex]

It's good now? Got flasks and gems 🙂

[west tide]

i got the mount and the ring

if god loves me ill get the neck

[hollow spear]

Tad more haste or guidon

[half apex]

Yeah Guidon is next on my list 🙂 What amount of haste should I have if 700 is not enough?

[hollow spear]

700 with guidon, 800 without

[half apex]

I see 👍

[hollow spear]

Is it going to be like the selection of a new pope? Dark smoke = burned, light smoke = success?

[wicked wadi]

just 98% timed my first ever 16. learning from all u goats

reading this chat gives orange parses

[plush roost]

Im always mining

[jagged hamlet]

in dance at 1 mark before 2nd DN and apex is procced should we cancel it?

or is apexed mark > shadowstrike at max to proc apex > DN the correct play?

[uncut monolith]

I saw some logs that someone macros Light potetial + Guidon instead of in macro Light potential+ Shadow blades, suggestions?

[jagged hamlet]

guidon is outside of blades, pot lasts long enough it prob doesnt matter.

probably better to macro it to blades tho

lights pot

[uncut monolith]

So there should be 100% sure that light potential dont suffer same bug of refreshing stats to char vs server as guidon does with haste...✍?

[warm marlin]

the bug is only with the deepening shadows talent

for haste rating

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-mining-loop-diamonds-gold-gif-21889516

charrend irl wtf

[astral axle]

saturday wage cagers

same bro...

[fossil forge]

gotta get the 💰 0shame getting to these dollarz

[plush roost]

🎵 So way back in the mine, got our pickaxe swingin' from side to side, side-side to side 🎶

Creepa

Awww man

[fossil forge]

im grinding elo on hypixel bedwars rn

real gaming

[plush roost]

I think im gonna do solo queue m+ where i auto invite the first 2 dps that queue up, mandate 1 lust class, whether its healer or dps that queues first, and then finish filling with whoever signed up first

Thoughts gang?

[keen dome]

do it

that'd be great

[astral axle]

See you in hell

[keen dome]

please report back ind etail

[astral axle]

[fossil forge]

make sure to queue up on charrote though

[plush roost]

Oh wow now thats a cook

[main blade]

When do i even use pbox if thats the best thing igot since no feather or light companion

[plush roost]

Every 3 mins

[main blade]

do i stealth shadowstrike pbox blades dance then

[hazy breach]

Yerp

[plush roost]

Yero

[main blade]

[fossil forge]

nah i am getting held hostage in a key

and they are just perma typing refusing to ff

we are only 10 min in 💀

[keen dome]

Perfect time to start a conversation

Ask them about cooking and if they don't reply, begin to tell them about cooking

[fossil forge]

i just got wished cancer and called the n word for telling them they are slow for not ffing

[keen dome]

Start reading them a bedtime story

[fossil forge]

[keen dome]

Something suitable for the intellect of someone who is that nasty online

HAng on I've got the perfect book

[fossil forge]

avg key convo

After tank die on first pull

[keen dome]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcSydi-4LjMKcCYyn4TbvuyflYtndf4k_f5fI4rLdOgrS3xQRZUYM4wi1B6iXKh9Koyx6rISAVHTdiasJbDEfEPrglkq-lqt

[fossil forge]

[keen dome]

Can just read them this

[fossil forge]

My fav

[sand wigeon]

I’m doing 19s and I feel like dmg might become an issue. Anyone pushing 20-22s as sub?

[gilded thistle]

you actually getting invited to high keys?

or just pushing your own

[fossil forge]

i have 1 20 timed as sub its kinda bootycheeks u have to press evis..

[radiant swift]

last time i chexken charrends site, some of the 20s he did had very similar dmg to his otlw/assasin keys

[fossil forge]

play law for insta invites lowkey

[hazy breach]

Salatikue has done all 22s. Sub is not horrible by any means, its actually quite solid

[fossil forge]

that guy is like astronomically dialed in though

[vagrant fossil]

I think the issue is that most of the highest rated rogues are playing outlaw, despite all three being fairly equal

Different strengths tho

[fossil forge]

all 3 are playable so pick ur poison

[hazy breach]

Still kinda puny in comparison to assa

[thorny kestrel]

honestly sub most monster in lower keys under 16 or so. beat those demos and uhdks. once groups start to last longer, you fall off

[vagrant fossil]

Sub is also strong at higher keys. It just kinda plateaus damage, but it's got solid and isn't bad at anything or "outside" CDs. Assa ST when not in CDs is not doing a lot, but sub constantly has sectec etc

[vestal escarp]

Me having played every flavor of olaw and assa except sub this season solely for the reason i cant drop a guidon

[thorny kestrel]

sub underrated like they were in raids

[small sleet]

I’ve had it sub is the worst spec in the game we need emergency buffs

[swift tinsel]

• Damage of Deathstalker’s Mark increased by 9%

https://tenor.com/view/cryptoon-goonz-goonz-gif-27274497

[graceful osprey]

Best we can get is 3% increase damage to backstab and 4% increase damage for instant poison

[somber sun]

was he talking fr ?

[red vortex]

is there a bis gear list for DS? or is it same list as Wowhead?

[west tide]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west tide]

i follow the one in fuus profile

im sure the wowhead one is the same or as good

[upbeat cradle]

just do what you can to get 1100 haste

[jagged sphinx]

is there anyway that we can get eversírate on cooldown manager?

[sullen hare]

for what purpose, coup de grace?

because coup is just kinda there

!macr

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[sullen hare]

/cast Black Powder``` is such a useful macro for that purpose. you don't even track it

[somber sun]

put it on stealth bar btw !!

[earnest crane]

it feeels so good that i dont see any mage on leader board after 20 years

there is one but we can ignore it

[modern gull]

do we still have to roll on dungeons of exactly the same m+ level for the bad luck protection on bonus rolls? or do all dungeons above 10 share a pool now

[swift tinsel]

Any level above 10

[edgy imp]

what is considered top myth 1% rn for gladiator achievement

[lilac stag]

Just add it in the CDM

[jagged sphinx]

itrs greyed out..

[jagged sphinx]

its grayed out for some reason

[livid frigate]

should i balnce my crit and mastery out more cause i currenly have 69% mastery and 24 % crit

[somber sun]

[red vortex]

closest i can get

should be good right

this is with haste flask and oil

[livid frigate]

are we ment to be running trickster or deathstalker now?

[peak ice]

If you want to in st fights

[small sleet]

you will have lower than the recommended amount of leeway, but it is still playable yes

[tribal blade]

you still use trickster in like 90% of all content in game atm

[spring basin]

The desthstalker rotation is so cringe

[sullen hare]

I think grayed out abilities can be fixed by going to advanced cdm settings and resetting it but don't quote me on that

[glacial cloak]

how bad is it to use this

i read on icy it slightly messes with haste or something

[short radish]

[jagged hamlet]

ok for trickster bad for DS

obviously having diff keybind for pot may be useful but you can replace the last L with a - if yhou ever need to disable the potion part

[glacial cloak]

yeah ive got all those on other keys too, this was just for a big opener type thing

[jagged hamlet]

perfectly fine

[short radish]

if you really want to

oh wait

this doesnt have guidon in tha tmacro

im blind

nvm that macro is fine

#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

this is mine

[small sleet]

finished 21 resil on the sub rogue we out here

im getting closer and closer to being as cool as salatikue

[tribal blade]

HUUUUUUGE

now get 22 resil

and then 23

then 24

and so on

etc etc

[fossil forge]

resil25

[tribal blade]

they mega buff the borrowed power

could happen 😉

[fossil forge]

im struggling hard in these 20s men

need it asap

[serene notch]

So excited to try guidon tomorrow

[tribal blade]

ok this is what happens when you help your guild do mythic chim with half the group being casual helpers and pugs

[serene notch]

Sub is great…..when you out skill everyone :p

[tribal blade]

nah i got to pad lol

adds stayed alive long enough

[serene notch]

The lack of UDK taking all your lunch money feels good man

[tribal blade]

we had 1 udk

well my parse got bricked anyways lol

gg

[peak ice]

Arcane mage

wtf

[tribal blade]

yeah he usually mains arcane

[peak ice]

Why is there a seperate akaaris soul

Is that normal?

[swift tinsel]

depends on how you view the dmg breakdown

[peak ice]

Huh

Interesting

[tribal blade]

the person logging was in grp 1

i was grp 2

[peak ice]

Yea righto

[tribal blade]

so we were in diff phases

[peak ice]

Is that ur damage then

[tribal blade]

if you look at details that was the actual dmg

yeah

[peak ice]

Top of the chart then

Ez

[tribal blade]

by a lot yeah

oh well

you would think they could fix this by now

[swift tinsel]

that's usually me on our chim reclears too, its fun lol

[fossil forge]

Hear me out we dont reclear anymore

But someone has to test it out

Soaking with the suiciding tank and padding tf outta the adds

[swift tinsel]

we still needed people to get gaze

but I think we're set now

[fossil forge]

This has to be the tech

[swift tinsel]

also we might be done by the end of next week

also I've fully embraced the small orb pad on saladbar

ethical

[plush roost]

Old news buddy

Our ret paladin snuck this one on us and now we life grip him downstairs and our tank jumps off

Rip ur parse bozo

[swift tinsel]

holy based

lmao

do I rip a DS AA

[oblique grove]

am I doing something supremely fricked if I have a darkest night ready with a dance but no secret technique for like 10 secs

[hearty mural]

yo quick question..for Mythic Chim. Which group is better for us? going 1st or 2nd

[swift tinsel]

I like first personally

blades for opener, sectech comes off cd rights as adds are gathered downstairs

which you hopefully have coup stored for

then comes up for intermish adds

[west tide]

every group

just go in every one bro

[peak ice]

Cloak and go

[ornate lake]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[hearty mural]

ty

[ornate lake]

Slightly?

It messes up everything lmao.

[small sleet]

bros it might be time to learn outlaw.... the sub warlock bug is too powerful its breaking me

[swift tinsel]

outlaw isn't bad

if you have a good way to track opportunity it kinda plays itself

[small sleet]

i know, its pretty enjoyable

but its still harder than sub lmao

[swift tinsel]

everything is lol

[small sleet]

and i still enjoy sub

the relearning of all the dungeons is gonna be brutal

[peak ice]

Is it actually a thing?

[small sleet]

yea definitely

i have a warlock on my m+ team and he cant play diabolist or the bug happens almost guaranteed every dungeon

[peak ice]

Oh dam

[warm marlin]

what relearning tho

ur defs are the same and outlaw doesnt have cds

zugzug

[small sleet]

idk i feel like outlaw has a bit of a different playstyle in terms of maintaining uptime n stuff

[dreamy needle]

if there are two elites in a pack do i use bp or eviscerate as my spender

[tribal blade]

with potent powder talented you BP on 2 or more targets

[dreamy needle]

do i use shuriken or backstab as combo builder

[tribal blade]

storm on 2 or more outside of dance

in dance strike on 3 or less

[dreamy needle]

ah okay ty

[unique merlin]

when opening is the ability order Shadow Dance, Shadow Blades, Secret technic?

and do you use Coup De grace when it pops if doing aoe?

[tribal blade]

trinket>dance+blades+sectec

[tribal blade]

just send it as it pops in both ST and AOE

[unique merlin]

Awesome thanks!

[peak ice]

Macroing it with black powder works well

[unique merlin]

black powder?

oh aoe spender

[peak ice]

Yep

[unique merlin]

doing two casts with coup first?

[peak ice]

You just macro it so if you have it pop up when you’re doing you’re aoe combo it’ll automatically cast it instead of black powder

[ornate lake]

What is this bug lmao

[peak ice]

Your tricks makes the warlock pets pull

[ornate lake]

https://tenor.com/view/table-mess-lmao-laugh-gif-5126644939264248578

Blizzard really hates rogue lmao

There is absolutely no way that bug is accidental

[glacial cloak]

bro no way

[peak ice]

Apparently

I’ve not personally experienced it but people have been talking about it

[warm marlin]

nah its not tricks

it seems to be a pet pet interaction between shadow clones and diabolist apex pets

[glacial cloak]

i’ve had a warlocks pull things and complain about their pets in my groups lol

maybe it was my fault xD

[tribal blade]

the lock in my guild says it happens regardless of if there's a rogue in the group or not

but who wants to play with stinky locks anyways 😉

[warm marlin]

supposedly apex talents that can proc guardians are bugged as a whole

but sub clones bug it more often

[tribal blade]

mmm i see

i'm kinda done with the jank on sectec clones

they need to redesign sectec and call it a day

[unique merlin]

Do I use shadow dance if Shadow Blades and Secret technic are both down?

[tribal blade]

think of dance and sectec as 1 cd

the only time you will not cast dance+sectec together is during 2nd dance in blades

[unique merlin]

Ok so outside of secret technic it's generator and spendor even if low on energy?

[tribal blade]

also dw about your energy in general

[unique merlin]

ok

[tribal blade]

the only time energy is something you think about is right before you go into dance+sectec

you want to have enough energy to instantly cast sectec

[unique merlin]

so it's Shadow dance+ secret technic, or Shadow Dance, Blades ,SecTec, SD Sectec?

[tribal blade]

if i'm reading this right basically yes

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[tribal blade]

follow this during blades

[unique merlin]

Ok awsome thanks.

[tribal blade]

@warm marlin oh is queue still dead

i've heard from multiple people the NA key scene is very slow atm

[warm marlin]

hmm

ye

well idk

im pugging above cutoff now

im not sure how busy it should be

played the game a decent amount today

[tribal blade]

nice!

in general when you're keying at or above cutoff there's not a whole lot of keys in lfg

a lot of times you'll look and there won't be enough keys to even scroll down

[warm marlin]

i got 5 of my 21s today

[tribal blade]

oh wtf that's huge

5 timed IO keys in 1 day

[warm marlin]

but uhh

[tribal blade]

massive

[warm marlin]

seat and aa are not often posted

as my last 2 for resi

[tribal blade]

yeah makes sense

[warm marlin]

who coulda guessed

[tribal blade]

people try to avoid it as much as possible lol

you finally time that key

then try to reroll it

best you can do is find someone with 21 resil AA or seat

and then hope they're willing to slam their head against it for a good few hours

[warm marlin]

i send pic soon

resi keys are not a disease 👍

[tribal blade]

LOL so true

[vagrant fossil]

Are you playing the PP build or the Dark brew one?

[tribal blade]

dude i was doing a title range resil floodgate during S2

[unique merlin]

do you want full combo points up before casting shadow dance with other cooldowns or spend points, then shadow and its cooldowns?

[warm marlin]

I am playing the rider of the apocalypse build

[tribal blade]

and the tank crashed out in disc with "fuck resil i hate this system i'm not playing anymore"

[vagrant fossil]

Ooh, mb

[tribal blade]

after we had been wiping in there for 2 hours

[vagrant fossil]

Thought you were pushing on sub

[warm marlin]

sadly not

[warm marlin]

hate this

[tribal blade]

full CP>dance+sectec

[tribal blade]

YUP

[unique merlin]

k

[tribal blade]

honestly doing 1 season of resil was a big thing to help me decide to retire

because pushing with resil

is truly miserable

(unless you ride someone's resil all the way up at the end of a season)

[unique merlin]

If you are Casting SD without SB, Do you wait to time SD with second SecTec for the powereful combo point?

[tribal blade]

reldo hit 21 resil, maybe he can help you out getting those done

[warm marlin]

nah its ok

i will suffer the pug life

[tribal blade]

the dopamine when you finally get them timed

will be big

[warm marlin]

just once you hit 20 basically every key is someone posting their resil key trying to push it back up

its a whole bootstrap paradox

[tribal blade]

lol so true

i think like half the IO keys i timed around the cutoff range were resil keys people were pushing back up

i dunno resil is so weird, it artificially inflates IO

and then makes it so even the keys 1 level below cutoff range are brutal

[warm marlin]

why would you ever do your own key when you can wait a bit to get into someone's resil they're pushing up with 0 risk

[vagrant fossil]

Isn't that just because it allows people more attempts at the level that would be an upgrade?

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[tribal blade]

it creates a very weird ecosystem

people become very leech like

trying to ride other people's resil

[vagrant fossil]

Ye, for sure

[tribal blade]

and also the average key level is much higher than seasons without resil

[vagrant fossil]

Ye, but that happens because the safety net is just underneath what you want

[tribal blade]

i still think resil should be you have like 2-3 charges on a key

then after those charges are used up it depletes -1 level

instead of just running a key a billion times to push it back up

[warm marlin]

I think there are quite a few players in this range who are here by eventually sneaking along through someone's resil and grinding the whole way

[tribal blade]

YUP

[warm marlin]

mw in our 21 mt used life cocoon like 4 times in 30 mins

[tribal blade]

there's a lot of drama that happens around resil

[vagrant fossil]

I do agree that resil has helped a lot of boosting

[tribal blade]

that's fucking insane

[tribal blade]

that too

i know so many people on the S2+3 TWW list of people who bought title

1 guy i know

legit bought every single title range key

from 4k players

ironically i know the 4k tank who sold it to him too

(this is when 4k was way above cutoff)

[warm marlin]

the io files...

[tribal blade]

dude it's crazy lol

[warm marlin]

was a good read

[tribal blade]

i was shocked at some of the names i saw

[warm marlin]

i also knew multiple people on there

[tribal blade]

it made me so sad

and kinda pissed

because i'm the kind of player who barely squeaks into title every time

so seeing people steal title from others who worked hard for MONTHS

makes me angry

[random comet]

Just like irl

[tribal blade]

yah!

i was actually involved in resil key drama

with people i was pushing with at the time

was not fun

it eventually led to my guildie cutting all ties with a friend he had had for years

for scumbag behavior

that friend basically wanted to ride my resil and box out my guildie

[warm marlin]

i dont know how to feel

pugs were astronomically dead prior to resil

too much variance

3-5 attempts would prob be fine

cut down on abuse but keep the system in

[tribal blade]

agreed yeah

[tribal blade]

yeah you had that different problem before resil

where you had to perform in every key

and your key could get run down from a string of bad luck

[lilac stag]

Message me next time. Warrior is still subjected to pug chim

[tribal blade]

TRUE

will do 😉

[outer orchid]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

Idk, I've never pushed top keys, but from what I read, no system can fix that shit

[vale pine]

Good morning, the problem is fixable in my opinion

Basically, the problem space is a balancing issue

[main blade]

question why do we want so much haste like from the trinket any big benefit over mastery

from like pbox

[vale pine]

it mostly started out with the introduction of aug

aug allowed you to do +3 more key levels for free

this made it extremely obviouse that wow shifted away from a player skill centric tuning approach

people realized just how much easier it is to play meta in every aspect of the game as a reasult

and with the game moving in a direction which allows you to gear up a new character quickly

in combination with a typically fairly mild tuning of the OP, so they most of the time stay op or top dps for the tier

a systemw as created where meta chasing is the most efficient way to play

groups in the finder also realized just how much the right class can influence your outcome

and given the flood of players who will now reroll to the flavor of the month

people who don't either need to play with friends, guild groups or level an alt

The diffrence in group strength was so significsant, that it set a example

because, even if things are now often closer now, why not make your life easier and give yourself the highest chance of success

[vale pine]

we talking about guidon vs. puzzle box in m+?

[main blade]

yea

[vale pine]

guidon gives you more ressources, means more apex procs, enerty, etc

puzzle box gives you more immidiate mastery, however it is more in a burst

given that you want to line it up with your cooldowns, its a 3 minute trinket

and the mastery often goes into DR because you run with a high baseline mastery

meanwhile guidon is better in single target, and can give you similar benefits in big pulls

with the main drawback of a slightly lower initial burst

hope that makes sense

[vale pine]

^ back to this, now that we established "why" its hard to find groups (which tl;dr is, its is too easy to go meta over everything else)

i think there is a very simple solution which would allow people to play m+ without meta chasing

a soloq system

[short radish]

i have a solution though

delete aug

[vale pine]

wouldn't change much

the damage has already been done

[short radish]

that's okay. we can still delete it

[vale pine]

haha

[tribal blade]

this is true, whatever system blizz puts into place it'll still suck

the best system anyone can think of is make resil a charge system so your key has charges, and when those charges deplete then your key lowers

[hollow spear]

I don't think it's fixable

The problem is that it's humans who play the game

[vale pine]

ohh, i missunderstood the comment

[tribal blade]

TRUE FUCK EM

[vale pine]

we talk about resilient?

[hollow spear]

We talk about high keys

[vale pine]

and how people brute force to high r.io now

[tribal blade]

yeah we were discussing resil earlier

[hollow spear]

And that no matter what, people will be unhappy

[vale pine]

hot take

i think resilient is fine

i understand that it impacts higher keys in a negative way

[tribal blade]

you have opposite ends of the spectrum, 1 was no resil and you had to perform in every single key or else it would brick, and your key could brick all the way down due to bad luck

[vale pine]

as more people with lower skill level can grind to high scores

[tribal blade]

and then resil where people are literally smashing their faces against keys for hours upon hours to push them back up

and toxicity of people just riding other's resil

[vale pine]

but i also think thats basically how mmorpgs are designed

the challange in mmorpgs is never skill

[tribal blade]

yeah the system is really good for lower key levels

[hollow spear]

It's the unemployed versus people with too much disposable income, like in most games

[tribal blade]

the biggest issue resil caused is it's now infinitely easier to buy title

before it was much harder to buy

[vale pine]

more people can play and experience a higher level of content is a net win in my book

[peak ice]

Agreed

[hollow spear]

Yeah, but you cannot solve the problem of "homework" keys without making boosting easier imo

[tribal blade]

homework keys will exist no matter what sadly

[vale pine]

they actually could

[hollow spear]

But it's much less egregious now than it used to be

[vale pine]

but the solution would also be not liked by key pushers

[tribal blade]

nah in some ways it's much worse now

[hollow spear]

One tilter evening and your key was cooked

[vale pine]

mind experiment time

[tribal blade]

imagine sitting in the same key for 3+ hours

trying to push it back up

until everyone gives up

[vale pine]

what if you had a prompt at the key stone vendor

[hollow spear]

And that was different then?

[vale pine]

which enabled "hard mode" keys

you would exchange your key to a new one

[tribal blade]

before you were pushing back up easier keys

[hollow spear]

People always run against a wall no matter what

[vale pine]

which has no resilient at all

[main blade]

i see thanks guess need to try my luck further for the guidon

[vale pine]

but else has no benefits

[hollow spear]

Until you ran into the wall again

[main blade]

cuz pbox also feels really clunky man

[tribal blade]

yeah true

[hollow spear]

Now you just stay at the wall

[tribal blade]

but resil hell is very real

[hollow spear]

People are doing it to themselves is what I'm saying bottom line

[tribal blade]

i've watched people try to push their key back up for days at a time

quite literally

[vale pine]

and you can only group up with people who have hard mode keys activated

easy

[hollow spear]

Nobody will do it I tell you

[tribal blade]

you have a 19 priory and trying to push that shit back up

holy shit that was awful lol

[vale pine]

thats on them then

like

[hollow spear]

People just want to bitch and moan

[vale pine]

it solves the problem

for anyone who wants to have the seperation

while keeping resilient for the rest

people won't do it

because they don't want to wait for groups to build

[tribal blade]

i was actually smart, i did 1 push season with resil then quit after 😉

[vale pine]

but thats on them too

[tribal blade]

i was like "nah i'm not playing this game"

[vale pine]

you can't have both

[hollow spear]

I think people will just crash and burn eventually, no matter the system

[vale pine]

both means, a high player pool to choose from to do keys

and at the same time only good players in that pool

any time content becomes more accessible/easier

[short radish]

good, let the p*shers suffer

[vale pine]

the skill level requirement is lowered, and the player pool becomes bigger

[hollow spear]

Good though experiment fuu

Won't ever happen

[vale pine]

i mean nobody would play it

but "there is no solution"

is not correct

its just the solution is not agreeable

because you would need to take trade offs

[hollow spear]

That was kinda implied

I just think no matter what you do, people will complain

[vale pine]

that for sure

also nobody wants a perfectly balanced game

[tribal blade]

it is funny how resil worked out, everyone was like "M+ is saved"

[vale pine]

what makes the game fun is a imperfect system

[tribal blade]

and then immediately when we started pushing with resil "wait this is even worse"

[hollow spear]

Too much work, too little work, too easy to boost, too hard to pug, meta is stale, aug is op

[vale pine]

What do the data show

i think people play more keys

than before

or at least would say that intuitively

[hollow spear]

Resil was a success

Who cares about title pushers

[vale pine]

I think its a bit of a funny discussion

because the ones who give the most feedback are the top level players, as they gathered an audience

[peak ice]

It’s defo hard to balance

[tribal blade]

it's kind of like the diff between normal raiders and mythic

[vale pine]

and they will many times argue to only improve their position

[hollow spear]

Title pushers are just mad that they don't get the same treatment relative to what the rwf gets in their piece of content

[peak ice]

Cause just listening to those people can make stuff shit

[vale pine]

e.g. remember that these popular podcasts

people repeatedly did say

"idk, it feels like skill issue to me"

when the system was too hard or punishing for players

and actively hurt wow

[peak ice]

Destiny had a bit of the same issue where they started listening to the world first raiders

[vale pine]

(as you saw with engagement in m+ and the game)

[peak ice]

And it was shit

[vale pine]

I think its difficult

it is also independent of the game

[peak ice]

It defo is cause u want both groups engaged

[vale pine]

e.g. if you look at league of legends

Riot did a lot of system analysis of matchmaking and impact of changes

yet the entirety of the top player base wanted a hard reset of the mmr

riot did say "this is a fucking terrible idea, you all will hate it"

everyone still pushed for the change

riot, knowing it only affects the top end, pushed it

and now people are crying because its a terrible idea and everyone hates it

[peak ice]

Im for the like easing of getting mythic gear and stuff too

Just opens up stuff to people that might not have done it before

Makes 0 impact to my gameplay

[vale pine]

i think the systems we got are overall positive

[peak ice]

Yea

I have a few small issues with crests and raid timing

But minor

Crafting is kinda eh too idk

[vale pine]

and the example with league just highlights that not every problem has a good solution, many solutions can backfire

this applies to both sites, any company can make a lot of bad decisions to lose players too

[peak ice]

See Bungie for the king of that

[vale pine]

haha ye, think there are a lot of recent examples of failed games or games

I have my complains about the xpac too, i think everyone who is a bit critical will find points you don't like

I don't like how the pacing and system design keeps you chasing gear forever

e.g. lets say now, you just finished upgrading and collecting your gear

12.0.7

you start to find yourself with another borrowed power system and gear upgrades to farm

there is in general low amount of downtime, so you essentially can grind forever now

tho on the other hand, getting gear is now easy, so if you come back to the game or want to gear an alt, thats fast

(there are some problems, like "how do i get into a group without gear/experience", but generally spoken its easier than before)

[left shale]

i tend to lose interest when i get fully geared. which is what some people want i guess. i just like having something to do when i want something to do.

[vale pine]

we saw this in our raid team to an extreme

[peak ice]

Yea

[tribal blade]

my favorite thing is everyone complained back in the day that there was too much stuff to do outside of raiding/keys to keep up with borrowed power etc in the open world

[vale pine]

the week after crest uncap was introduced

we couldn't get 20 people to want to raid

[tribal blade]

and now that that's all gone the same people say there's nothing to do in game

[vale pine]

with a 28 player raid team

[peak ice]

With the like upgrade orb too

[vale pine]

so 10 players basically "noped" out

[peak ice]

Don’t really even need to hunt trinkets

[left shale]

people want to be done so they can do something else. and they want to do it as quickly as possible. which is fine, but its just not for me.

[vale pine]

I think it just shifted

there is still a lot to do

[tribal blade]

there is stuff to do yeah

but blizz doesn't really put their heart into that stuff anymore

like they did before

[vale pine]

I think its just a lot of throwaway systems

[tribal blade]

might just be them being lazy

yeah

[vale pine]

not saying thats bad

[left shale]

when they do people complain that they are spendiong time and resources on "things that dont matter"

[vale pine]

as mentioned, for me

[peak ice]

You can’t win really

[vale pine]

it feels like you never stop chasing the carrote

which i don't like

[left shale]

i still remember 12 months of SoO. im happy that we move things along at a faster pace generally.

[peak ice]

I mean they care about retention so whatever keeps people around is normally what they will probably do

[vale pine]

yep

trading post, housing, etc

[peak ice]

Housing is sick

[vale pine]

all of these systems are there to keep people playing

[peak ice]

I wish it was a bit more like

Woven in?

[vale pine]

i think housing is good as is

[peak ice]

But its a good like base

[vale pine]

i wish the levels would go up after 9

[peak ice]

My island is just kinda like empty

[vale pine]

and more new stuff would be added

[peak ice]

Like it’s full of houses and it levels up

But I never really see anyone

[tribal blade]

housing is good

they put a lot of work into housing

[livid frigate]

okat thank you

[vale pine]

you can play trickster in 100% too

deathstalker is better on st

[peak ice]

Yeah I haven’t changed tbh

[vale pine]

but only rly noticable if you have haste for it

[peak ice]

If I get an aleria neck I might make a set

But atm eh

[livid frigate]

i just did a 17 caverns and i only did 135.9 k overall dps i must be doing something wrong with my dps rotation

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[small sleet]

bros idk if im cut out for outlaw

[wild vine]

you could either abort or just try hitting your head a couple more times

[small sleet]

shit either of those are pretty good options

[tribal blade]

KEEP PLAYING SUB

it's kinda tough you play with a lock though

[small sleet]

i plan on mainly sticking to sub

part of me just wants to learn outlaw because its a fun spec

[tribal blade]

no harm in doing it

[livid frigate]

i started playing assa doesnt seem that hard really

[wild vine]

there is no spec thats hard anymore ngl

[livid frigate]

i mean theres more to assa then sub lol

[wild vine]

those that were more difficult got dumbed down a lot

[livid frigate]

outlaw i couldnt get my heard around it early on in the expac

[uncut monolith]

Which m+ 20s do i want numbing poison please?

[hollow spear]

Did Eleem's assassination screenshot break you?

[mighty citrus]

What screenshot?

[hazy breach]

Reldo was cooking some deathstalker sub for prio

And i linked deathstalker assa that has like 50k higher prio

[hollow spear]

Why did you do that man

It was cinema

[small sleet]

its tough out here

[hollow spear]

I felt like watching Marco Pierre White

tight-ropeing between madness and genius

and Eleem just cut off the rope

[wild vine]

its more like Eleem held a ladder for him to get off of that needless path

[hollow spear]

I'm bored of playing trickster in my weeklies, how did your peak cook look like?

[small sleet]

i havent really had a chance to test it much lmao

[hollow spear]

idk, the ladder lead to assassination

who wants that

[wild vine]

as long as it doesnt lead to outlaw

I'll take it

[hazy breach]

Issue with assa, especially deathstalker, is the ST

And even worse if you want to demisemaxx like me

[hollow spear]

well, it lead Reldo to Outlaw, apparently

[hazy breach]

The singletarget is insanely oof

[small sleet]

stupid sub rogue warlock bug led me to outlaw

[tribal blade]

yeah DS sin is mega depression in ST

[wild vine]

but he came to his senses and back here

[hollow spear]

sin is just ass this season

[small sleet]

its p good in keys

[hazy breach]

Nah

[tribal blade]

FB sin is pretty good

[hazy breach]

Is good

[small sleet]

i mean

sin is better than sub

lmao

[hollow spear]

I'm not talking about its performance

I just hate playing it

[small sleet]

oh fair then

[hazy breach]

Ah ic, i dont really mind

But i can see why

[hollow spear]

tried it in raid

[tribal blade]

i mainly do not like how much energy CT costs

feels horrible

[hollow spear]

immediately quit

sin's apex is like

[tribal blade]

the KB apex is cool

[hollow spear]

it's against the tos basically, because it makes me say things

[tribal blade]

the energy part sucks balls

i dunno if they fixed the apex energy bug in the CDM

but the fact that you just randomly can't see stacks

is so bad

and making you try to run envenom out

feels stupid

[hollow spear]

it's 0 interaction

because during cooldowns you'd just waste the extra energy

at least that's what it feels like to me

[tribal blade]

yeah exactly

it's not well thought out

but the KB part is very cool

[hollow spear]

the filling up your cp thing?

[tribal blade]

yeah

it does a good chunk of burst too

[hollow spear]

nice gimmick, not sure I need that haha

[tribal blade]

and ramps your KB faster

yeah it's not as cool as sub's apex

i think sub's apex is pretty peak

[hollow spear]

imma terrorize some weeklies with ds

[tribal blade]

HELL yeah

@small sleet what did you cook for DS sub

in keys

[hollow spear]

he's shy

[tribal blade]

HAHA

[hollow spear]

doesn't wanna show it

[tribal blade]

i don't think there's any way with the talents to make DS sub work in keys

the gap is way too big to bridge

[hollow spear]

it's not even that bad, it's just not worth it

can just play trickster

[tribal blade]

i haven't actually tried using DS in keys yet

eleem's DB build was pretty cool

i can see that build being good in keys where you know you'll be doing a lot of evising prio targets and ST

[hazy breach]

#1065730164077645916 message

[tribal blade]

oh interesting

[hollow spear]

what did I just read

[vale pine]

cursed

[tribal blade]

i'm not sure i fully understand it

[hazy breach]

When you have max stacks of apex, when its at 80

[tribal blade]

you just cancelaura

that's amazing

[golden totem]

What's the bug

[hazy breach]

cancelaura envenom before your next envenom

[hollow spear]

Eleem is taking his TC advice directly from Cthulhu

[hazy breach]

Soyou get the energy

[tribal blade]

yeah that is pretty cursed

they need to rework that energy apex part for sin

it's so weird

shouldn't it be more like "if you extend envenom's duration 4-5 times you get energy"

but then it becomes kinda passive

i dunno i can see how they were trying to make sin pool

but that way is not it

[analog hearth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rvsTYv7ssymd4QA1aweZx2
why does DS delay opener 7s

in 3+ targets

[small sleet]

something with our apex talents makes diabolist warlock hero talents pull random mobs that are out of combat very consistently

[short radish]

arrays start at 0

(didn't want to clutter tc with my shit post)

[golden totem]

Ohhh that make sense

[red flame]

Wait so it’s not even just a rogue bug, it’s sub rogue + demo lock in same group?

That’s wild af

Ig tbf tho ideally you wouldn’t have both in the same group anyways, especially higher keys

[small sleet]

demo or destro, as long as they're on the diabolist hero tree

[red flame]

That’s wild af

At least it’s not ideal comp

So it only applies w scuffed comp

[small sleet]

unfortunately for me i play with a warlock one trick

[red flame]

Oof

That’s rough

[small sleet]

most seasons i swap off rogue but i wanted to stick with it this season

and ofc its the season this bug happens

[red flame]

Word, I feel ; it’s always my go-to usually. Last xpac I played alts but I genuinely cba to lvl another char. I have 1 90

I’d totally try ddh, fdk or ret but cba to lvl

[marble sail]

as a assa main i have beef with ret paladins

[red flame]

I haven’t played assa since tww s1

[marble sail]

they kill my kingsbane target

[red flame]

Nothing against it at all, I loved it ; sub is just way more my preference

So if I gotta pick 1 to die behind yk

If it didn’t mean farming new gear I’d prob play both

[marble sail]

dont really need to farm gear anymore

[red flame]

Oh sick

[marble sail]

just do the dungeon with ur best trinkets/weapon and bonus roll

u will end with all pieces in mythic and thats always a good thing

[red flame]

What’s sin trinks? Pbox + gaze I’m assuming?

[marble sail]

yes

[red flame]

Oh cool I unironically have them alr then

Accidentally rolled myth pbox week 1 trying for PSB before we swapped back off of CC lol

[marble sail]

only ''issue'' is they want giga bigga crit

[odd marten]

Does anyone else have problems with their sprint? I got Featherfoot but it still only last 6 seconds

[marble sail]

easier for outlaw/assa swaps to happen

[red flame]

Makes sense

I wont touch outlaw personally

On my main anyways

[marble sail]

ngl ive always been a outlaw hater untill this season, im enjoying assa/outlaw more than any spec ever atm

really disliking sub tho because last season sub was peak for me

[red flame]

My biggest thing is I generally name a character based on a theme/spec/playstyle I wanna be & swapping specs contradicts that quite a bit generally
Ik I prob sound insane

But like I wouldn’t intend to play a FDK, name him “Subzero” (not literally just for the example) & then be like “yea I’m swapping to UH or Blood on Subzero” 😵‍💫

[marble sail]

same

[red flame]

I just make new chars for diff specs
Then I don’t lvl alts

1 trick pony sub rogue

✨

[marble sail]

i do the same, my dk hits like a 306 gti

[red flame]

Based, tww sub was goated

[tribal blade]

i spent the entire of mop remix saying to everyone "NOBODY PANIC, I'M A PROPHESIONAL"

[vale pine]

the last one is great

[tribal blade]

😉

[red flame]

This is amazing

[short radish]

finally fucking free

[marble sail]

AOTC???? GZ

[tribal blade]

HUUUUUGE

my guild is still in P1 hell

[short radish]

bonus rolled this

[hoary orchid]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[tribal blade]

SHEEEEESH

universe is trying to tell you to DS

[short radish]

sorry im busy that day