subtlety

[plush roost]

Gotta clear my name amen how about we time the dungeon

(Im joking)

Gotta hit him with the, now show priority mob dps

The ultimate gotcha of no context

[marble sail]

bro u gotta make a 2nd rogue and go undercover for those keys man

😭

[lunar bluff]

i have no clue

but i legit did the same dps over a month ago

[plush roost]

I had a low ass roll run like that too

Smodge

[small sleet]

Tank prob did all necrolytes route

You’re legally allowed to sue them when they do that

Blade flurry going from doing damage to 8 targets to 4, super dps hack

[plush roost]

I yell at all tanks

[small sleet]

wait I guessed right LOL

AINT NO WAY GWOZ WITH THE ALL NECROLYTES ROUTE WITH PHYS COMP

[plush roost]

Only 1 necrolyte allowed madge

Wdym

Didnt he just mc the necro on garfrost

[small sleet]

I included overkill

[plush roost]

Oh LMAO

[small sleet]

And awangs dps went up 50k

Because of how much blade flurry damage was lost throughout the key

[plush roost]

Gwoz routes strike again my goat

[desert oasis]

!pp

do we take potent powder for drag and pally?

[plush roost]

Ye

[leaden prairie]

i mean

[north schooner]

ok but why didn't awang just hit the non 0hp mobs with bf instead? noob

[leaden prairie]

that doesnt count tho

cause you get them on fist boss

perma cleaving

[west tide]

chat i dont want to have 2 setups what i do ds only in farm

[spice matrix]

grats on the kill last night

[upbeat cradle]

well

i just did first 4 bosses on feral and

woah

that's so much more engaging than sub

😂

[lunar bluff]

we did ye

[upbeat cradle]

i died on every boss

bad reflexes

[lunar bluff]

its funny looking at ur dmg after a 10 target pull whatever and its like 250k

bf hitting dead mobs

[small sleet]

That is true, like half of the overkill damage is from first boss alone, but the route did still have 5 necrolytes, which would make your overall look worse than if you only pulled like 2 total. Realistically it doesn’t actually matter because you still time the key fine pulling em

[plush roost]

Realistically it matters because i dont like being mogged

[small sleet]

Hmm good point I’ve changed my worldview

[west tide]

ty bro sorry about ur guild 🙁

[main blade]

do i want mastery in algethar

or the haste one

[west tide]

yall did not deserve that

[leaden prairie]

5

[spice matrix]

It is what it is

[small sleet]

@hazy breach is there any shadow damage we do that wouldnt be buffed by dark brew's extra 10%? im doin some serious cookin right now

[hazy breach]

Builder clones

[small sleet]

ok hear me out, how cooked would this be for last boss of seat

idk how to sim a boss like that so im going off vibes

symbolic victory instead of lingering darkness seems like it might be better because of holding for 1 min combined with lingering darkness not applying to the damage amps, but im definitely going purely off feelycraft for this one

[hazy breach]

Symbolic doesnt buff shadowed finishers or apex clones

[small sleet]

ok im still gonna try this build just with lingering darkness

i think pe is fine over warning signs as long as you have a shaman, but thats also vibes based

[warm marlin]

You have BL for one of the burns?

[small sleet]

sometimes people like lusting the 3rd boss to make it safer, but yeah if you have lust, one of the burns is guaranteed fine

[warm marlin]

I think I will enforce lust on 3rd boss

but if u did lust Lura then warning signs prob loses a bit

[peak ice]

Wouldn’t you just wanna burst damage Lura though

[small sleet]

i think deathstalker burst is pretty good

being able to enter the burn with dn already up makes it burst harder than if you had to send cds on pull or somethin

i looked into cloud cover a bit for this fight but it seemed pretty meh

[peak ice]

But what does lingering shadows do

[hazy breach]

If youre gonna swap spec should prob swap to deathstalker yeah

[peak ice]

Backstab does 50% more damage as shadow?

[hazy breach]

Lingering darkness

[small sleet]

o i

am noob

and talking about wrong talent

yeah i meant this one

[peak ice]

Oh no it’s me

Fuck me they’re way too close

[valid turtle]

Anyone using something other that oil? Currently have giga haste

[sullen hare]

How giga

Like DS with no haste flask giga?

[valid turtle]

790 no buffs/flasks/oils

[tribal blade]

does it become harder to apex DNs with PV instead of WS

or does that not matter because you'll be in blades i guess

[hazy breach]

I mean its for lura, he can stack up like 10+ sht before the phase

[small sleet]

ya what eleem said

[tribal blade]

oh true good point

[golden harbor]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sturdy mortar]

I don't play outlaw like that but been learning it this xpac, is blade flurry useless against the necrolyte packs? I may be misunderstanding this, but if not, why is that the case?

[small sleet]

blade flurry only hits 8 targets or 7 or however many it is

if its hitting the mobs that are invulnerable

thats damage thats not killing the pack

so like, if theres 4 invulnerable mobs getting hit by blade flurry instead of other mobs in the pack, you're effectively target capped at 4 instead of 8

[sturdy mortar]

Ahhh, I believe I understand it now, with no "smart targeting" on blade flurry your effective DPS is lower if you get bad RNG on what it chooses to target, things die slower, key goes longer. I didn't think hard enough at the why behind it, I feel sheepish, haha. Thank you for the explanation.

[tribal blade]

iirc they made blade flurry smart target at some point in either DF or TWW

because i remember this exact issue being talked about and then blizz "fixed" it

not sure if it's broken again

[swift tinsel]

if they version diff'd blade flurry to hit dead/immune targets again that'd be pretty par for the course

[small sleet]

the mobs arent dead or immune though

they take damage is the problem

its just that they "cant die"

[lilac stag]

It was so smart it counted dead bodies as a target

[tribal blade]

hehe yeah i remember that

[lilac stag]

It’s kinda insane to look back at some of the rogue bugs and how long they take to get fixed

[tribal blade]

yeah some of the sub ones were next level

[dreamy needle]

yeo.

[glass kelp]

we're online

wooooooo

[tribal blade]

@small sleet have you tried eleem's DB build yet?

[small sleet]

yeah i just did a key with it a second ago. idk how i feel about it yet. it didnt really feel much different, which i mean, it kinda shouldnt given its like a 1% swing and doesnt change playstyle

[tribal blade]

gotcha

[small sleet]

i might try it a couple more times

[tribal blade]

i suppose maybe it would feel a bit better with the DB build in a very ST and evis spammy dungeon

i'm gonna try it out too

[small sleet]

charrend was jokingly talking about dropping a point in dark shadow to take potent powder again in the db build

and i simmed it, and its like, 3% st loss for 3% aoe gain compared to the normal m+ build

so i might try it in maisara caverns or somethin where youre mostly aoeing

all in all, no matter how you change the talents you're pretty much doin the same thing regardless lmao

[peak ice]

Can anyone share what their ui looks like, i was looking at changing mine but not sure what to do

[tribal blade]

oh shit ok

[tribal blade]

LOL true

[peak ice]

!addons

[small sleet]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[small sleet]

Dats the command

[peak ice]

ty

[small sleet]

Np

[prime glen]

is numbing poison in the build better for raids than atrophic

[small sleet]

No you should use atrophic for raid

[tribal blade]

@small sleet 19 SR with DB build

i didn't exactly play this key very well

but yeah dmg seems not bad

MASSIVE instant poison dmg from DB

[small sleet]

not bad pretty solid damage

[tribal blade]

wow

[small sleet]

what was your st

on 2nd boss

lookin like

[tribal blade]

uhhh not great tbh

[small sleet]

o

you kinda gotta enter 2nd boss with cds up

or you only get 2 in

[tribal blade]

i was very focused on doing the beam tech well

[small sleet]

i mean not bad, but could obviously be a little higher

[tribal blade]

yeah i went into this with i think blades on something like 15-20 sec cd?

[small sleet]

oh yeah doing your cds while running back and forth takes a lot of effort lmao

[tribal blade]

so 1 dance then blades

[small sleet]

oh yeah and with surv and fury that boss isnt lasting long enough for 3 blades

[tribal blade]

haha yeah

but overall i like this build

well i guess it's not really any diff than the other lol

[small sleet]

i feel like its noticeable when i reck pot in big aoe pulls

[tribal blade]

MMM

[small sleet]

but past that it feels the same

i prob wont swap to it long term purely because i like potent powder and the idea of it lmao

[tribal blade]

LOL that's fair yeah

i also felt kinda useless on 3rd boss besides throwing out kidneys

[small sleet]

its cool to have some variety and be able to use dark brew either way

i play 3rd boss full single target

and try not to help with the adds

at all

[tribal blade]

yeah i did the same

[small sleet]

fury surv doesnt need help in your comps case

[tribal blade]

it just feels bad to see surv doing same boss dmg as me

[small sleet]

just kidney when youre behind the pillar

[tribal blade]

and over double add dmg

[small sleet]

surv is very strong

they do same boss damage as us

[tribal blade]

oh yeah surv is nutty

i broke 3700

[small sleet]

id love to play surv as an alt right now if i had a group to play it with

[tribal blade]

SHEESH

[small sleet]

hell yeah grats

[tribal blade]

i'm having to calm my fomo lol

it's kinda tough being retired

[small sleet]

can always just casually pug without the goal of hitting title

and just see how high you can go

[tribal blade]

yeah i decided to solo pug today randomly

even though i made the rule of not doing that

[small sleet]

i think its fun if youre not worried about whether the key gets timed or not

[tribal blade]

i thought so long as i don't become mega tilted or become super addicted to the IO gain again

i'm good

[small sleet]

yeah exactly

[tribal blade]

dude it's actually a lot better

i'm more relaxed in keys now

not worried about the IO haha

before when i was title pushing every key brick was so bad on the mental

i made this note "former title pusher vibe keying now"

for when i sign up to stuff

[small sleet]

half the time i pug into keys i dont even need for io

and i just get io when friends wanna play

[tribal blade]

niiiice

that's actually a trap i fell into a lot before

i would always only sign up for IO keys

i knew a lot of people who would sign up for non IO keys if queue was dead or they weren't getting invites

and then as a consequence to that they would get more btags of good players or get invited to do IO keys after with them

overall a good move

[small sleet]

yeah like right now all i need for resil 21 is skyreach, which is puggable and pretty easy in theory, but i dont really like pugging that key so i just pug into the keys i enjoy and reroll my key until i see someone i know has it queued up lmao

[tribal blade]

that's fair yeah

[small sleet]

im a professional leecher

[tribal blade]

LOL

every key pusher is a pro leecher 😉

it's actually so funny

i know some not great players

who get really far because they're good at socializing

what's the word uh

networking

[small sleet]

biggest thing that makes me a leech is the fact i cant play outlaw LOL

[fleet wharf]

thats how it works in rl too though

[small sleet]

no one wants me for push keys, and i dont wanna ruin their push keys

[tribal blade]

HAHA SAMMMMEEE

[small sleet]

so i just wait til they brick it

[tribal blade]

so true!

[fleet wharf]

prophet you are also playing in US servers from asia right?

[small sleet]

being likable and fun to be around gets you very far

[fleet wharf]

whats your ping at?

[tribal blade]

yeah i was pushing as sub back when it wasn't the meta rogue spec, was kinda rough on the invite situation

[tribal blade]

~200

[fleet wharf]

idk if I am just bad at outlaw or it's really hard to play outlaw at that ping

[tribal blade]

if my ISP is suffering it's like 220-230ish

[tribal blade]

that's so true, that's MY superpower i feel haha

[tribal blade]

it is tough to play outlaw at that ping

the big issue is spell queueing

[fleet wharf]

thats good to hear. I just felt like a fraud

I still probably am

[tribal blade]

nah it's hard

you have to find the balance on how to mash your keys

outlaw wants to be mega button mashing

[fleet wharf]

well you need to react though

[tribal blade]

but if you mash with too high ping you fuck up spell queueing

i would always do shit like that, cast PS accidentally when i was at full CP

stuff like that

[fleet wharf]

yea, I built a set and tried but idk man, I was doing worse damage than even assa

[tribal blade]

i think it's not worth it

having high ping with outlaw feels like playing that spec with your own personal affix noone else has

i got pretty good at outlaw at one point during SL

but after SL with all the changes in DF it became too much for me to handle

[fleet wharf]

DF outlaw was just mental

and for such little gain too

[tribal blade]

yeah i started DF S1 as outlaw and had to give it up mid prog

it was just too much

which was fine because sub was good on the final bosses of that tier

[small sleet]

df s1 outlaw was so fun to me

[tribal blade]

i did like it!

i just had a hard time with the ping situation

[small sleet]

yeah that sounds brutal

[tribal blade]

but also i don't have fast reaction timing

i inherited that from my dad

so that combo makes playing outlaw so bad

[oblique grove]

is getting a supercharged darkest night eviscerate on the opener rng

[small sleet]

on the opener yea

[jagged hamlet]

gamba time

[oblique grove]

ok thought so

[small sleet]

rest of time you can control it though

[oblique grove]

[tribal blade]

nice you're decently ahead of cutoff

that's really good

[small sleet]

ive been getting carried by friends lmao

[tribal blade]

haha nah

you're a GAMER

[small sleet]

my buddy just got 22 resil done too, but i try not to bother him to play too often

[tribal blade]

niiice

[small sleet]

im probably gonna have to go bear druid for my actual team for m+

unfortunately

[tribal blade]

you should have seen me hounding charrend for 20 DFC and ML during S2 TWW

[small sleet]

LOL

[tribal blade]

i eventually got 20 DFC done with some buddies

and then edude helped me get 20 ML on the last day

like a G

[small sleet]

i should've gotten title as sub rogue that season

[tribal blade]

ooo hot

what did you play?

[small sleet]

i was tanking as vengeance

[tribal blade]

AHHH

[small sleet]

and playing sub on the side as an alt

[tribal blade]

i was playing sin

[small sleet]

for a while my rogue was higher io than my vdh

[tribal blade]

since it was kinda the melee arcane mage

[small sleet]

i timed 20 ml pretty early on my rogue

[tribal blade]

oh nice

[small sleet]

yeah sin was really good

[tribal blade]

but doing priory as sin

the mini boss with the shield

holy shit lol

terrifying

[small sleet]

same thing as sub LOL

[tribal blade]

TRUE haha

[small sleet]

cold blood sectech into the shield

and hit cloak or die

[tribal blade]

oh that's right sub was striking in aoe then

and CB sectec yeah

[small sleet]

part of me misses rupture for sub just cuz i liked having something to do while the pack got together

[tribal blade]

i do kinda miss that aspect

[small sleet]

i do like not having rupture for raid though

[tribal blade]

it felt like you were building up to your cds during gathers

instead of just mindless storm>BP

[wispy crystal]

If my crafted bracer and boots are already 285, and I want to craft new engineering crafted haste bracers and boots,

Do I need another 160 mythic crest just to craft the same slot ?

[small sleet]

yes

[wispy crystal]

Omg 😦

That's an ouch

[tribal blade]

check your crests below myth, you can convert them up if you haven't already

to save some time

[wispy crystal]

Yeah I'll try convert some hero crests

Wanted to try out death stalker

Pins recommended the pure haste gear on engi items

[tribal blade]

holy jesus people at the 19 key range are special

[small sleet]

yep

[tribal blade]

got to the last boss of nxp with not enough time

because these people ran the timer down by dying nonstop

[small sleet]

what happened to not letting keys tilt you LOL

[tribal blade]

so true haha

yeah i got kinda tilted so i stopped 😉

like a good boy

[plush roost]

I got told going right on skyreach skip is bad and i was so close to crashing out

Like hug the wall bro idk

Dont make me go left and grapple to the right side and quickly run across

[tribal blade]

i'm so out of the loop i don't know what this skip is

[plush roost]

After 3rd boss u can meld skip the ele and bird

[tribal blade]

AHHH i see

oh yeah that would be worth

[tribal blade]

yeah the amount of times people fail skips because they don't hug walls enough

[peak ice]

for fights where u can get expose weakness

how much do you lose

[tribal blade]

find weakness? not much

as trickster you can apply it quite easily not in dance with silent storm buff

as DS you consume silent when you dance

but your dmg outside of dance is kinda irrelevant anyways

you have 10 secs of FW after dance ends, and then as DS you're afking with 1 mark stack anyways

[prime glen]

thanks

[short radish]

did anyone honestly believe that

including him?

[tribal blade]

i'm chilling now 😉

[short radish]

for now*

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[night sparrow]

Farming 240 crests to get 1100 haste : check
Still playing trickster because I wont change 20 days of /played muscle memory for the 2 remaining weeks of L'ura progress : check

[limber wadi]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ornate lake]

@hazy breach so I tried the 2/2 Finality and Dark brew build for a 18 pits. Almost no difference in overall damage, so I know for sure it isn't a simbait

[tribal blade]

i tried it too, seems legit

[ornate lake]

But how do I isolate clone damage from the other damages, so I know it juiced up my clones. Details?

[tribal blade]

not sure if details does any of that, logs do though

[ornate lake]

Yeah just checked details, not much

[tribal blade]

DB will just not buff builder clone dmg

eleem said they forgot to whitelist those spells for it

but it buffs everything else

sub does more shadow dmg than just clones, blades and shadowed finishers are both shadow too

[ornate lake]

This company murdered nimble flurry cleave, never forget that. We should be extremely grateful to even get the buffs on the rest of that

[tribal blade]

lol true

[fossil forge]

Wtf are u guys cooking up

[tribal blade]

this tends to happen a lot, something about sub having all these different instances of dmg that are all coded differently or something

i'm not smart enough to explain it well

[fossil forge]

So nice to wake up at 9am instead of queueing up till 8am

[tribal blade]

eleem cooked up a key build where you drop DM and PP for DB

it basically is a neutral build overall

except you do slightly more ST with the DB build, like +1.5%

[fossil forge]

imma lock in some sub keys

Enough of outlaw gaming

Its such a difference in invites though

[tribal blade]

i can imagine yeah

[fossil forge]

i cant even q my key

Im holding it for the gang

For the one key a week gaming

[tribal blade]

haha i've been in that boat before

[sharp flower]

How much crit do we want?

[tribal blade]

for trickster it is equal to mast

for DS it's the worst stat

[sharp flower]

Im trickster

[tribal blade]

you can literally slap on w/e amount of crit and mast as trickster tbh

and be fine

[fossil forge]

Did you guys notice 1 bonusroll costs 5k?

[sharp flower]

So im currently here stat wise

and ilvl wise

no buffs

no flask etc

[short radish]

turn your hero crests into champ into vet crests

[sharp flower]

Should i be making any adjustments?

[fossil forge]

Ive been gearing up alts and ive been wondering where my gold keeps going

[tribal blade]

your crit is kinda low

[fossil forge]

dont have much spare crests on freshs

[tribal blade]

but you're also low ilvl so your stat budget is smaller

[short radish]

its a very sneaky gold sink

1 new alt = 30k gone

[fossil forge]

Its 50k now

For all bonusrolls

[short radish]

6 weeks?

we have 12/2

[tribal blade]

you can swap some mast into crit

[ornate lake]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-glow-glowing-angel-hallucinating-gif-489344050525737667

Tell wife to be back in bed by 12
Queue up for some 18-19s
Realise it's 3 am
Fcuk.jpg
Finally get into a group
Mfw it's a Russian premade with 3.8K tank and a 2.4K heal and dps

[fossil forge]

dont we have more

[short radish]

you pay 5k for both

[fossil forge]

Ah

[fossil forge]

kinda free life im 21 no wife and a summer vacation for 4 months bro

[ornate lake]

Remember when sub was a prio amp spec. Just stack dance + sectech charges and spam eviscerates inside CDs.

As I said, we are still paying the price of zul funnel.

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm sad blizz won't let us go back to having funnel

i just found out ret pallies have funnel now

and was like wtf

[ornate lake]

500 keys in shadowlands season 2 because no wife no life full degen Covid lockdown WFH.

[keen dome]

Someday......

Maybe when BfA is 10 years old we'll get it back

[tribal blade]

banshee's blight incoming

[ornate lake]

Ret pallies are the biological child of blizzard at this point. There is absolutely nothing that spec is BAD at

[keen dome]

god could you imagine how good it'd be

[tribal blade]

SO GOOD

[keen dome]

I've seen so many rets who make it bad though

[ornate lake]

Or it would be worse than Goremaw lmao

Never let them guess your next move

[tribal blade]

nah there's no way it could be worse than goremaw's

[keen dome]

Just give us a raid buff though

Just solve that long-term design issue pleaaaaaase

[ornate lake]

Atrophic and numbing poison

[keen dome]

Arcane Intellect doesn't only 'sometimes' work

If the raid buff only 'sometimes' works it isn't a raid buff

[fossil forge]

Biggest fumble from me

I was not playing wow during covid

i started in nerubar …

[keen dome]

(Them retooling it to be an aura we provide to everyone like mark would also be a valid solution)

I'd also personally accept rogue tank spec in liue of a raid buff but I think this might cause immense suffering to a lot of people

[fossil forge]

no need for a dps rogue atro

When u have a rogue tank

[upbeat cradle]

SOD tank rogue was fun

[ornate lake]

Wdym blizzard clearly mentioned death grip was a raid buff and dks aren't getting anything else

[earnest crane]

every raid has 2 DK guarantee for that grip

They have AMZ as a raid CD too

[peak ice]

Doing Lura without like 2 grips was quite hard

[open coyote]

Isnt lu'ra mostly ST except for those adds in p1?

[hollow spear]

It is, but they're a pain without grips

Can have all the ST in the world. If these crystals don't die you're done for.

[random furnace]

Question, waiting for the supercharged st while in shadow blades on the 2nd SD is always optimal? And in m+ is light potential the best always or for big packs? I saw that in the guide references the mastery potion for m+ packs

[tribal blade]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[random furnace]

Thank you!

[tribal blade]

i would also just use light's potential

[summer peak]

I’m guessing this is the exact same for DS because you might not even get a second tech in blades

[tribal blade]

besides lust you won't get a 2nd sectec in blades

i'm actually not sure what the condition for entering 2nd dance in blades is for DS

i'm guessing you want to have a supercharged DN

[lilac stag]

One Sectech in blades outside of lust

[small sleet]

It’s just having dn up

[lilac stag]

Send it with dance immediately after

[tribal blade]

figured yeah, cool

[slate marlin]

Prophet did you end uo trying the eleem cook?

[vale pine]

dark brew sounds interessting

[wheat crypt]

!MACRO

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[small sleet]

I tried it and any differences from the normal build aren’t noticeable to me. Felt like my damage was practically the same, but that’s pretty much what it should be according to the sim. The run I ran it in the route wasn’t great and the run itself wasn’t very clean, so I’ll probably run it a bit more to see if it feels different with a better run

[slate marlin]

I see

Didnt have time to test it myself

Which isnt as cursed as still nlt havin guidon

[fallow ingot]

Any degen theorycrafter already simmed .7 new power ?

[drifting ether]

Bruh I tried ds assa holy it makes a difference when a class has huge funnel

[craggy fractal]

Hello friends, I was wondering why no one (not even at high level) was using this talent instead of tricks! A 6s aoe 30% dmg reduction looks good on paper.. right ?

[short radish]

yeah

on paper

[craggy fractal]

is it .. bugged ? insert shocked pikachu face

[short radish]

well

no

acutally

technically no (as far as i know)

but it's usefulness is only really on paper

[small sleet]

Most dangerous mobs aren’t able to be cced is one of the main issues I see

[short radish]

because yeah sure 30% DR is good

but what reldo said

any mob that can be cc'd can also be interrupted

so probably should/would be interrupted anyway

so all youre really doing is preventing tank white swings

and who cares about the tanks

[small sleet]

TRUE

[short radish]

like maybe there's some random niche scenarios

like MT

and you do it on the healers that cast the dot

but it's honestly a lot of effort for not much noticable gain

[craggy fractal]

Yeeah yeah I thought the same but IF a cast goes through, at least it can be reduced, while tricks brings "nothing"

[short radish]

i mean yeah

youre not wrong

and there's n othing stopping you from taking it

but in lower keys you're not going to notice its effect in any meaningful way

and high keys it's rarely worth playing around

well it'd require a lot of effort

i dont thikn you'd do pulls/cc chains around it

but im not a filthy p*sher

so maybe there's stuff i dont konw

[craggy fractal]

alright, I was just wondering why because people over optimize everything and this looks like a case of "1st one gives you nothing and 2nd one sometimes in rare cases might give you something" so 2nd one looks better, again, on paper

[small sleet]

I mean tricks is a dps gain because you can hit before the pull is together. Not as noticeable on sub but extremely important for outlaw

[tribal blade]

i did! it's not bad

[short radish]

dw you're not the only one to think this (i thought about it as well a few years ago)

and it's like

no one knows about what rogues bring anyway (because we bring nothing)

even if i bring it, it's not going to do anything

i rather just give myself QoL for playing this shit class

[tribal blade]

this

[short radish]

like the only time people realised rogues existance was the brief half a week when we dropped the poop cloud

and everyone hated it

you'd be surprised how many people dont even know about atro poison

[tribal blade]

SO TRUE

[short radish]

let alone mind numbing

OR STILL THINK THAT SUB IS FUNNEL

[tribal blade]

during DF and TWW

[short radish]

FUCK YOU DRATNOS

[tribal blade]

i got a lot of "oh i forgot rogue has atrophic"

or "what is that"

[tribal blade]

wait is he the one who's still spreading that propoganda

[craggy fractal]

the other day a guy picked me for his key and when I arrived he said "ok I took a rogue just to skip those 3 mobs, alright tank?", we are truly useless

[small sleet]

Now if blackjack worked on mobs who didn’t get cced by the blind it would be the most op shit ever

[slate marlin]

Good to hear! Are you on title range this season?

[short radish]

im pretty sure he mentioned it on donald dimensius

"and the sub rogue here, doing really good funnel in the intermissions topping the chart"

or something like that

[tribal blade]

hell no haha, i'm a shitter now in retirement

[short radish]

yes but then rogues would have useful utility and we can't have that

[tribal blade]

HAHAHAHA

no way

that's amazing

[short radish]

im probably parapharsing a bit

[slate marlin]

Only salatikue remains 🙁

[short radish]

but he definitely mentioned rogue funnel on that boss

[tribal blade]

reldo here is gaming

he's #3 sub in the world iirc

[slate marlin]

Oh lol

I didnt know

[small sleet]

no I am washed up noob

[craggy fractal]

when in reality we just had perfect timings on CDs aligning pretty well

[slate marlin]

Came back to my rohue 3 weeks ago

[tribal blade]

and he's very humble too

[slate marlin]

Never shoule have left

[short radish]

yuh pretty much

[slate marlin]

So are you going to be the guy with the crazy ass cooks or thats a privilege for assa and law only?

[tribal blade]

there isn't really many ways to cook sub with our talent tree

[slate marlin]

I know

[tribal blade]

sadly

the DB cook is pretty cool

[slate marlin]

I just want to see the fuu vs whispyr reaction to a cursed tslent tree

[tribal blade]

though

[slate marlin]

That somehow does good

[craggy fractal]

Got another question for you intelligent people: elusiveness, does it work and does it reduces the damages of DoTs when using feint

[tribal blade]

the 20% from elusiveness works on everything

[craggy fractal]

Perfect

and lastly: if blades has X sec CD or less, I should delay sectech. Whats X?

I sound like a math teacher ffs

[tribal blade]

i'm not sure if i remember the exact number, but the clones finish hitting within 1.2(?) seconds of casting sectec

something like that

it's more so fitting the 2nd sectec into dance

[craggy fractal]

Ah no I didn't mean during blades

[tribal blade]

OH mb mb

[craggy fractal]

I meant when its on CD but sechtech is up

[tribal blade]

yeah if blades cd is 10 secs or less

don't send sectec

obviously if you want to blades immediately when the cd comes up you can stop sending sectec and dance earlier

[craggy fractal]

ok thats what I remembered but it feels better to send ST and delay blades (in m+ at least)

[tribal blade]

in general yeah that's better

[viral geyser]

Anyone know what that exclamation mark thing is for the expert mode sim? I think it was !FU or something

[small sleet]

I’m gonna find a way to make deathstalker work in m+ just for you

[slate marlin]

I love you❤️

But

Not with ds pls

Would rather suck a dirty gym sock

Better gameplay

[short radish]

please

can you like

not?

[small sleet]

LOL

[short radish]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

FU

hahahahaha

[short radish]

not gonna lie

whenever i see the !fuu command

i occasionally think of the rage meme face

[tribal blade]

lol hit me with it

[short radish]

this one

[tribal blade]

hahaaaa

i love it

[short radish]

perhaps that is just me showign my age

[tribal blade]

if you can get fuu to change that to his profile pic

i'll give you 100k gold

[short radish]

@vale pine hey i got a way to make 20k gold

[tribal blade]

HEY HEY HEY

THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

it's ok he's on EU

there's no way to pass him the gold

unless

[lilac stag]

I have a laundry service.

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-6451222253771109400

[tribal blade]

oooo

are they russian

[hollow spear]

I'd pay him 20k in Fimbul's place just to make Prophet pay Fimbul 100k

[tribal blade]

haha

i swear to god if i see fuu with that as his profile pic

i would gladly give it away

[distant sleet]

pretty damn happy with this one

[short radish]

[distant sleet]

how to get 100 lmao

[uncut monolith]

Any gear upgrade suggestions please?
Grenthh ‹Fated› @ Drak'thul (EU EN) https://share.google/gZS6bGESiMqW1Mc6O

[tribal blade]

either play out of your mind or rng it

[lilac stag]

Don’t invite FDK or DDH

[half apex]

Made a switch from assa to sub. Loving sub much more than assa even though I wouldn't think so. My question: how can I get my haste to 700 fastest with the gear I already have: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/tarren-mill/mugilate/

Thanks! 😎

[short radish]

haste flask

[half apex]

Ohh didn't even think about. Great advice!

[short radish]

no worries, i'm here all week

[half apex]

Haha 😂 ❤

[latent remnant]

You'd want 800 until you get guidon though

[half apex]

Guidon is my next item on the list

[short radish]

oh yeah good spot

[tribal blade]

the gems in your rings too

can change those out

[short radish]

two weapon oils is also +16 +16

2 rings + 16 + 16

[half apex]

Great advices guys. Didn't even think about those things and was wondering how to get it that high with just items

[short radish]

you can definitely do it with just items

[tribal blade]

he has oils equipped already on his char

[short radish]

eg nexus point rings are like +280 haste together

[tribal blade]

so i think the haste is showing oil updated haste right?

[short radish]

hmmmm

probably

[tribal blade]

not sure exactly how it works

[wheat edge]

Null and void plate for 58 haste (food buff)

[short radish]

neither. i would have thought oils not included at all

[tribal blade]

no idea tbh haha

[wheat edge]

or you could unequip gear except haste items and eat the highest secondary food for 64 🙂

[tribal blade]

omg true

[latent remnant]

Idk what the stats are on crafted 285 boots but probably worth looking at that too, could get some haste on it and just the iL upgrade would be nice

[half apex]

What about belt

[latent remnant]

oh yeah do you even have second embelishment

oh its on wrist

[half apex]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

ok just tested it, it counts the oils currently equipped

[latent remnant]

belt idk if we're just purely talking about working on haste, would be +1 haste gain

[tribal blade]

so his haste is including oils

[latent remnant]

but in general good to upgrade still

[wheat edge]

all of the jank is solved by guidon tho so that should be giga prio

[half apex]

Yeah I'm hoping to get it this weekend from myth voidspire 🙃

Or vault

Have some voidcores also

[latent remnant]

Even heroic/champ track guidon would be big so try to focus on just getting the item rather than only wanting it myth for now

[half apex]

Gonna do heroic raid then also 👌🏽

[slim anchor]

Noticed some people for raid are under 700haste is that on purpose? Was playing around in raid and some m+ with some of the gear I have stored up now that I’m basically done with gear and oddly enough not running the hunt and being around 740 haste (which I could recraft my wrists to get to 700 or just under) but it feels better around that point personally unfortunately the dmg is kinda low I mean is that extra 40 crit really gonna make that up the dmg? Personally I don’t feel like it will

[tribal blade]

the actual breakpoint is 684

most people just round up to 700

[slim anchor]

Ah well okay that could make some differences I guess

[tribal blade]

it's not a massive difference

but i think every little bit helps

[latent remnant]

slightly more haste gives you more wiggle room with your burst windows of not needing to play perfect to the ms

[tribal blade]

you're right though, converting that 40 haste into crit or mast will not make a huge diff

but it's better spent on the crit or mast tbh

[slim anchor]

Okay that makes a lot of more sense idk if I can get to exactly 684 but I can definitely get close to it with what I got in my bags. Thank you

[tribal blade]

haste beyond what you need to meet the breakpoint is not amazing on sub

[latent remnant]

Seeing a 3:2 crit to mastery ratio on your stats so might want more mast gear-wise as well @half apex

[tribal blade]

i wouldn't try to hit 684, 700 imo is better

but you can be fine at 684

[slim anchor]

Sims seems to want me to have more crit than mastery in raid.

[tribal blade]

crit and mast are neutral in ST

[latent remnant]

I wonder if sim makes crit more valuable because of that trinket's CDR function

[tribal blade]

oh true yeah

good point

[slim anchor]

I forgot the exact number but I think it I got down to 691 last night with one of the combos so I’ll go there lol

Only thing at this point I could change is my belt I think but I’m not going to go targeting a belt if I get one from vault cool if not then don’t care. Only thing I’m trying to get now is myth raid trinkets

[tribal blade]

oh wait that's a different person haah

who has that trink equipped

[latent remnant]

yee was still looking at the stats page linked earlier by the person i @ 'd

[small sleet]

Perfectly optimized stats will gain you a little bit of damage, but if you feel like your damage is low it’s more likely you’re making rotational mistakes

[short radish]

yeah 40 stats is not going to be the difference in you getting a 97 parse vs an 80

hunt should also sim better than 2x arcanoweave

hunt strong

[slim anchor]

Yea I’ve already been comparing to logs the only big thing I seen was I haven’t been using vanish inbetween my first and 2nd dance window but I’m guessing I’m probably sending cds on the boss when I should wait the 2-3 seconds and use them on like the adds when they spawn in. Last night was my first night in mythic voidspire so it was rough to figure out the timings first time haha

[slim anchor]

I just figure the stats are easy swap around and the rotation will come more in getting more time on fights

[small sleet]

Vanish is pretty irrelevant to our damage, I wouldn’t worry about trying to optimize your use of it

[half apex]

So shadowmeld is also garbage?

[short radish]

in raid yeah

[lilac stag]

it’s great in m+

[half apex]

Just changed my race 😎

[lilac stag]

It’s 3 extra cp in raid

[short radish]

the best race is human so you can get out of stuns

except the lura RP

[marble sail]

Best race is gnome because of the gnussy

[short radish]

though orc racial works on that

[half apex]

Switched from human ☠️

I had a feeling like I was the only person in this universe running human

[lilac stag]

nah

[vale pine]

me, with my 0.2% better dps

[lilac stag]

Race doesn’t matter for the most part.

[lilac stag]

Lost by the 2% of being undead

[vale pine]

race can have a higher impact than some of the micro optimizations

0.2?

1.5% iirc

[lilac stag]

wasn’t a bad guess.

[latent remnant]

no race or gear will make up for me being incredibly bad at the game

[vale pine]

wdym

i can do both

i am talented, i can be bad at the game and have a underperforming race

[lilac stag]

all while running on a paraplegic hamster

Fuu is the perfect raider

[latent remnant]

(did not mean for that to sound like I was talking about anyone other than myself if it did)

[vale pine]

haha^^

[vale pine]

don't worry, we are just joking around

[lilac stag]

Why should you be any different than the rest of us self-deprecating dumdums playing rogue.

[graceful osprey]

Undead enjoyers unite

[vale pine]

female undead has rly good animations

[swift tinsel]

It’s what I hope for from the race change platform toy

[hardy charm]

Just realised that my macro that cancels Shadow Dance out of combat to get quickly back to stealth doesn't work anymore

[swift tinsel]

Female undead or male goblin

[swift tinsel]

Wym doesn’t work anymore

[hardy charm]

It doesn't cancel it, so I have to wait for it to run out

[swift tinsel]

/cancelaura Shadow Dance

[short radish]

is it becaus you have it set to only work when in combat

[swift tinsel]

Works fine for me

Is it in your stealth bar

[hardy charm]

#showtooltip
/cancelaura [nocombat] shadow dance
/cast !Stealth

This the macro, mind you it's very ancient

So unless it's been changed, I don't know which part is not working anymore that needs to change

[swift tinsel]

Probably don’t need the [nocombat] portion

[lilac stag]

It works.

It needs to be on your stealth bar

[thorny ridge]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

#showtooltip Stealth
/cast [nomodifier] !Stealth
/cancelaura [modifier] Stealth
/cancelaura [nocombat] Shadow Dance

i use this

[finite pelican]

guys is this neck even good for sub? simc said its only 120 dps upgrade

[vagrant fossil]

Sim doesn't work well with haste because it just hits the exact breakpoint, whereas players need more

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[finite pelican]

alr thanks

[lilac stag]

It’s quite good, especially if you want to play

You have to adjust your other gear (haste) around it.

[hollow spear]

Depends on what you compare it to also. If you already have a mythic piece, it won't be too much of an upgrade

[finite pelican]

yeah i just thought the passive itself looks good

[hardy charm]

Thank you! I shall modify the macro

[lilac stag]

It’s about instant poison good

[slim crow]

at what point do i start pressing black powder over evisc? i seem to always do meh dps in duo fights (in m+)

[lilac stag]

#subtlety-faq

With PP 2 targets

[astral axle]

sub cleave damage isnt great atm, so you'll probably keep doing meh damage in duo fights unfortunately

[slim crow]

tyvm both

[brisk raptor]

With deathstalker opener is there a way to line up getting 2 marks in each dance? Or that won’t happen I guess?

[hollow spear]

You usually get two DN in a dance

Not always in your opener though

[small sleet]

@short radish i got bad news

i managed to put together a pretty convincing sim you could use to make a case for ds in m+

5% aoe loss, neutral st, 50% more damage to prio target

[short radish]

im blocking you so i can't see anything else

[small sleet]

LOOOOOOOOL

[short radish]

tbh

that cook doesnt sound too bad

5% aoe loss for 50% more prio is kinda... strong?

[small sleet]

trickster sim

fuck

hold on

ds sim

not quite 50% more prio but close

and its like 5.3% aoe loss or somethin

i bet you could make it closer with some more effort too

[hollow spear]

Banned

[short radish]

need for

[hollow spear]

Is that with the standard ds gear profile?

[short radish]

honestly though that sounds kinda strong for algethars

[small sleet]

no i cooked some shit

[hollow spear]

Ohno

I have two gear sets already

Stop doing me like that

[short radish]

i still can't physically achieve 1.1k haste 🙂

wait

can i

1sec

[small sleet]

540 haste on the ds set LOL

[short radish]

bro

please

[hollow spear]

The helly

[short radish]

stop

[hollow spear]

Not even 2s extra dance gcd?

You can't be real

[small sleet]

if you had 1100 haste your st would be significantly ahead

but its a lot of aoe loss to get that

[hollow spear]

I get that, but it's below 700 even 😮

[small sleet]

you dont need as much haste for ds because no 1.2s coup global

[hollow spear]

Hmm, true

[small sleet]

but also the sim i made isnt giving as much leeway as is normally recommended either

ima try to put together this gearset as closely as i can and run one key with this shit later today and see how it feels lmao

about to be the most budget assassination rogue cosplay of all time

[fleet wharf]

aren't we worse cuz we don't get execute amp?

[small sleet]

yup!

lmao i dont think this is actually a good build at all, i just wanna see how truly bad it feels

[fleet wharf]

idk man this iteration of sub just feels awful to play

[small sleet]

i enjoy it even if its a bit simple

[fleet wharf]

I do agree there is something nice about it being so braindead, but the argument i'd like to make is assa didn't go anywhere

like why did they gut sub when we already have a simple spec?

[tepid trellis]

they gave that treatment to everything

they wanted everything to be easy / easier accessible

[fleet wharf]

idk man the 20 sec cadance just doesn't feel as impactful. I kind of get that they didn't want you to do 0 damage for 90 sec if you fucked up your burst window but this just feels weird

[north spire]

i loved tww subt but it was really unintuitive, i mostly miss old nimble flurry tho

[red flame]

I loved tww sub too but I much prefer the 20sec dance cds

[vale pine]

subtlety got hit harder than some others because of simplifications

blizz wanted to reduce burst

[fleet wharf]

like I get they want to simplify it a bit more, but idk, not giving anything to players who liked that kind of playstyle feels like a bit of an oversight

[vale pine]

but (as usual) the game is too big to do it consistently across classes

same with simplifications

we never saw coherent chanegs across all specs, but thats to be expected when you have a limited amount of devs and time

[fleet wharf]

but more than the burst, I think the part I miss the most about tww sub is having the flexibility to move the dances as you saw fit

[vale pine]

wow builds on the illusion of fairness and balance

[fleet wharf]

surely they'll give us 2 charges of sec tech next patch

[vale pine]

giving a refund would be great

like shots in the dark, just for secret

[fleet wharf]

yea, taht could work too

[wheat edge]

they will just give sub rogue prep aswell

[fleet wharf]

or just reducing the cd for like 6 sec and only usable on dance would be cool too

[fleet wharf]

prep was always an outlaw spell in ba sing se

[wheat edge]

replacing goremaws bite next patch!

[fleet wharf]

goremaw is eternal only to spite the old rogue players

no one will ever pick it but it will never disappear

[swift tinsel]

It has to be an in-office gag at Blizz hq

[marble sail]

gloom blade

[swift tinsel]

For the 2-3 people who know it exists on the dev team

Gloomblade has at least seen play lol

[fleet wharf]

dude, goremaw saw play in legion or something

[marble sail]

i want gloomblade back its cool :(

[fleet wharf]

its only been 10 years man

[swift tinsel]

Forced bc of artifact weapon doesn’t count lmao

[tepid trellis]

well yeah... cuz you couldnt avoid it

it was still shit tho

[fleet wharf]

i wasnt playing at the time, but my theory seems to be true

lmao

[tepid trellis]

it was your weapon ability

so you were kinda stuck with it

[fleet wharf]

idk, they can buff the damage by 1000% and it will see plazy

[swift tinsel]

The much-desired singe target builder nuke

[small sleet]

i have officially turned sub rogue into a funnel spec

*if you can maintain 9 funnel mobs for the whole boss fight

[sullen hare]

That asterisk doing a LOT of heavy lifting

[small sleet]

dont worry about it, just swap to low haste ds sub its the new wave

[sullen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-here-throw-trash-garbage-gif-16402986

[vale pine]

1100 haste players unite

[quaint lodge]

@short radish r u here all week

[fleet wharf]

i havent touched DS yet, but like what do you gain by switching?

[small sleet]

for m+? not shit its not good

for raid? more single target but you cant cleave anymore

[fleet wharf]

even for raid, if you want boss damage, isn it better to just swap to assa?

[small sleet]

ds sub does some pretty crazy st

[fleet wharf]

also, why is it just sub for lura?

[tepid trellis]

no lol

[small sleet]

probably more than assa

[tepid trellis]

Assa single target isnt great

[short radish]

No im sleeping now. Gn

[quaint lodge]

wtf

[tepid trellis]

not if you compare it to full st sub

as DS

[quaint lodge]

how cani get help if u r asleep

[tepid trellis]

like not remotely

[small sleet]

idk what specs do more st than sub right now

[marble sail]

fdk

[jagged hamlet]

i cant tell you the last time ive seen a frost dk lol

[fleet wharf]

how are you guys feeling about this tier btw?

[small sleet]

ive definitely seen fdk doin really good numbers i just wasnt sure what their sim number is

[sullen hare]

It's kinda inspiring watching people still have hope

[fleet wharf]

i still haven't seen alleria

[tepid trellis]

boring af

is what i think

[quaint lodge]

doing voidspire feels like i never left mfo

mqd is p fun tho

[marble sail]

they sim like 136k in m+ talents (they swap like nothing) 😭

[fleet wharf]

i hate that everything is a fucking aoe pad fest

and I am not very gooda t sniping adds

sadge

[swift tinsel]

Not a big fan personally

[quaint lodge]

ignore adds and then look at ur b oss damage

[sullen hare]

I had to resub to transfer ownership of an in game community but other than that I'm clocked out for the rest of the expansion unless something drastic happens

[swift tinsel]

Having the tier spread across 4 raids feels a bit bleh

[fleet wharf]

it feels great to parse a 19 on damage and 89 on boss damage

[swift tinsel]

This is what I’m contending with atm, minus the community transfer part

[small sleet]

i think this m+ season is pretty good, but raid feels really boring

[marble sail]

m+ hasnt been this good in a very long time, there is a clear meta but everyone else is really not super far away tbh

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I’ve had way more fun in m+ than raid, and this is the first time it’s ever been like that for me

[quaint lodge]

stares at tank balance

[small sleet]

i think they also succeeded in getting rid of bolt slop

[fleet wharf]

at least they get changes lmao

[marble sail]

do NOT mention tanks

[sullen hare]

For now

[quaint lodge]

they get changes, do they matter

no

i am stuck hitting moonfire and thrash

wp blizzard thnak u

[swift tinsel]

Yeah the tank situation is a mega fumble

[small sleet]

idk its better than most seasons

[marble sail]

my ptsd from my 30 SR attempts because of RNG random casts 1 shotting

[quaint lodge]

dps ya

[small sleet]

at least brew is viable too, most seasons there's only 1 tank

[quaint lodge]

but man bring me back tww s3

literallye verything was viable to some level

[sullen hare]

Healers are kinda rough too. Apexless mw dungeon healing

[swift tinsel]

Maybe look at why one tank is considerably better after a round of buffs to all other tanks and baby nerf to the clear overperfomer, from a dev perspective

Or ask Claude to

[fleet wharf]

you know what this seems like the correct response tbh. I am also having so much second thoughts about playing the spec

[quaint lodge]

now u have

VDH being obrderline unplayable
Prot war is 2-3 key levels behind the next key (cant even do title level keys reasonably bcuz they're that weak)
prot pal does 35k st in keys and is the weakest defensively
monk/bear viable but comp specific
and i didnt even manage to write a note about blood dk bcuz i forgot they existed

[swift tinsel]

I’m def off the spec for s2

[quaint lodge]

[swift tinsel]

Unless something big changes for sub

[fleet wharf]

bro the AI apocalypse is gonna be so funny

except it's gonna fuck us real good financially lmao

[warm marlin]

My fdk sim is 139k (with vantus)

[small sleet]

ok nerf all dks by 30%

ive had it

[fleet wharf]

dw there will be a bug that makes them do 20k more damage than they're supposed to

[swift tinsel]

Going from TWW s3 to any other iteration of sub was going to feel bad but this current iteration is a miss for me

[fleet wharf]

real. Like there were 5 things at least I liked about tww sub and the current version has only 1 thing going for it, which is that it's not a popular spec

[quaint lodge]

tww s3 sub was good but man hitting backstab for a full minute sometimes was kinda sleeper so at least they kinda fixed that part of it which im a fan of

[swift tinsel]

I greatly dislike haste breakpoints, I greatly dislike haste having opposite interactions for dance and Sectech, I dislike the lack of a good niche that isn’t just boss damage, the raid buff situation feels bad, the moment-to-moment gameplay feels unrewarding

[sullen hare]

Idk about correct or incorrect when it comes to opinion, but it's certainly how I feel. I'm tired boss, why did blizzard take away our low target cleave and then make a bunch of low target cleave fights? I know the answer lies somewhere in the fact that trickster was using the same talents and same rotation for anything up to like 4 targets last expansion but for them to just take that away? Nah boss, I'm tired. I also don't want to play ds and they're back on their "numerically buff ds until it's just strong enough to where the discord will bend over backwards to find a build for it" territory. Like literally all of tww

[swift tinsel]

DS, for what it’s worth, at least has a little bit more going for it but in general the tree feels eh

[fleet wharf]

you get to press sec tech/dance every 20 sec though :wew:

[swift tinsel]

If only Sectech were TWW Sectech

[small sleet]

bring back cool cold blood this one stinks

[swift tinsel]

And DS doesn’t give a single shit about playing around Sectech

[quaint lodge]

real

[fleet wharf]

yea I mostly agree. sad thing is I think I am having more fun on my enha rat right now than I do aon my main

[quaint lodge]

i miss cold blood

[swift tinsel]

Which is a giga red flag

[short radish]

I woke up just to say that the backstab soup was fine. In order to have high highs, you needed to have low lows.

Now Im actually sleeping gn.

[quaint lodge]

no way this guy wakes up to hate on my take

i hate this guy

[short radish]

[swift tinsel]

High highs and low lows were so good

This middle of the road shit is so bland

[fleet wharf]

you get 20 sec cd ret now though

i hope you like it

cuz that's what we get now lmao

[swift tinsel]

Ret gets funnel gimme that

[hallow mortar]

so many chinese logs with PI

thois guys are crazy

[fleet wharf]

no, fuck you. something something ghuun

[swift tinsel]

I miss being the flexible burst cleave specialist

[sullen hare]

Fimbulvtr got heartburn and was wondering why so that's why they checked the sub channel

[fleet wharf]

what I hate is that we need to highroll on tuning withour damage profile now

[swift tinsel]

Fights like Araz or even Soulbinder were awesome

[fleet wharf]

like we had a reasonable chance of being taken if there was a big prio mob that needed to be nuked

now we don't have that niche any more

[swift tinsel]

Salhadaar platform carrying

Dimmy platforms

[fleet wharf]

that was p fun ngl

[sullen hare]

Yeah. It was nice just sending cooldowns

[swift tinsel]

Just need to main swap to windwalker now ig

If I wanna feel something close to that

[sullen hare]

Waiting for cooldowns and stopping DPS will always suck ass though

[fleet wharf]

now we're ret #7. just press cds as soon as they come up or get fucked

[swift tinsel]

Also playing DS lately and sitting at full cp waiting for enough sht to dance with

[fleet wharf]

idk man my guild already has a dedicated WW player

[sullen hare]

With 100% less spell effects and button glow,fwiw

[hollow spear]

Wait guys, I thought we were more flexible now?

[swift tinsel]

Or having to cancelaura Ancient Arts before sending for dance and DN

[fleet wharf]

thats only raid. don't even get me started on the utility gap between sub and ret lmao

[sullen hare]

I'm more flexible but that's because I'm down 15lb of weight

[hollow spear]

See, thank the devs

They made you touch grass

[sullen hare]

Ty devs

[swift tinsel]

I changed my name color and dropped the coup icon for reasons

I don’t vibe with any of the three specs

[hollow spear]

I don't even know where to change my icon

[fleet wharf]

the stupidest thing is that Assa is basically identical if not simpler than cata Assa

[swift tinsel]

I cannot get behind playing assassination with its apex shit

[fleet wharf]

what apex

just press buttons bro

[swift tinsel]

A buff that does nothing for you during your cooldowns

What the fuck is that

Like

How

[fleet wharf]

you get to squeeze out .2% more damge if you optimize it and not fuck up!

[swift tinsel]

Who greenlit that

[fleet wharf]

our beloved rogue devs

I love the attention we get

[swift tinsel]

The only fun part is the combo point infusion from casting kingsbane

[fleet wharf]

but fr I am gonna see if I can get off this fucking class next tier

[swift tinsel]

Which is almost the same cp as a highroll mutilate

Also have fun with blades and Sectech next season without the extra blades duration and no more guidon

More haste breakpoints!

[fleet wharf]

surely they will spare 2 hours for sub fixes for next season

or is that too much to ask?

[marble sail]

u think it will take 2 hours to fix sub with that spagetti code?