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#subtlety
peak ice
Feel like I’m gonna lose 6% damage just trying to relearn
granite lark
oh for sure lol
woven nimbus
Yeah but it was 5 ish before and still no1 plays it ouside prog. Parses will also be done by tricksters
tribal blade
is it ok to not SC sectec
bright beacon
I haven't progged Lu'ra much, with current tuning and gear would new DS be theoretically better than trickster?
frosty sinew
is it ok to not SC sectec
sectec is the second super charge
hazy breach
is it ok to not SC sectec
Well this SC sectech
frosty sinew
with what he posted
swift tinsel
as a general rule though for ds
though I imagine you're gonna have it as your first/second finisher anyways bc dance and sectech cd are basically the same
wispy crystal
!guide
short radish
woke up to this message from my mate
opened sub rogue discord
saw your image
and just went back to bed
short radish
idk why they keep forcing this dog shit spec
Vanilla - Combo points on player
Cata - Introduced redirect to move combo points to another target
Mop - introduced marked for death (assign 5 combo points to a target)
Wod - delete redirect and put combo points on the rogue BECAUSE COMBO POINTS ON THE TARGET WAS SO FUCKING RESTRICTIVE. MFD is now on the player
DF - delete Marked For Death because it was too jank for people or something and they didn't like how it played out
TWW - ADD BACK AN ABILITY CALLED "Deathstalkers Mark" WHICH ESSENTIALLY PUTS COMBO POINTS ON A TARGET
Midnight patch 0.5 - Add an ability TO REDIRECT THE DEATH STALKERS MARK
tribal blade
Vanilla - Combo points on player
Cata - Introduced redirect to move combo point...
the confusing thing is they realized having a debuff on the target is toxic (between the eyes)
so made it a buff on the player
swift tinsel
big true
tribal blade
but won't do it for DS
short radish
oh yeah i just realised that last night
swift tinsel
just make it Deathstalker's Focus or some shit
short radish
when i was playing outlaw
tribal blade
yeah that was a huge QoL change for OL
swift tinsel
and be a player buff that affects your current target or whatever
tribal blade
it honestly doesn't really matter in raid
but still
i'm annoyed they won't just make the fix
instead adding another button
short radish
idk it's shit like this that gives me 0 confidence
or has made me lose all confidence
im now back on the doom wagon
we're not getting a crit buff next tier
granite lark
I mean was that ever on the table? lol
short radish
idk there's been an increased amounts of cope
due to how shit the rogue situation was this tier
tribal blade
i've been the general of the cope
short radish
and prophets posts on the wow forums
swift tinsel
we were never gonna get a traditional raid buff
peak ice
🏄♂️
swift tinsel
despite all the neg press from RWF and whatever else
swift tinsel
rogue is not hunter or dk
granite lark
due to how shit the rogue situation was this tier
most* tiers sub has a good shot early on a couple bosses until other ilvl catches up and ads die quicker
woven nimbus
Would be a start if Our raid "buff" would work on All bosses
granite lark
or did before some of our lost burst
tribal blade
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogue-needs-to-bring-a-real-raid-buff/2304579 good time to post this again
spiral needle
rogues dont get cool things, only "flavor" that builds character
tribal blade
hit it with a like/comment if you can
swift tinsel
it needs to be compelling damage contribution
a pure dps class that does not have a dps-increasing raid buff
short radish
most* tiers sub has a good shot early on a couple bosses until other ilvl catche...
yeah okay sure which is great for the 1% of raiders in mythic
woven nimbus
And take away smoke bomb from demon hunters And give it back to us
short radish
but th en what about joe smith working 2 jobs and has 3 kids with only 4 hours to play a week
swift tinsel
and our non-dps-increasing utility/"buff" is negligible for 99.9% of players
short radish
and doesnt get invited to anything becuase why the fuck invite a rogue that doesnt give a damage buff
fuck it im beating up the dead horse again
swift tinsel
mages => lust+Int, warlock =>brez/cookies/gate, hunter=>mark+lust
rogue=>3.6% dr that doesn't work on everything
hm
short radish
most* tiers sub has a good shot early on a couple bosses until other ilvl catche...
if a class has ONLY damage going for it. it needs to do fucking omega level damage to justify its existance
DR is not an important raid buff
woven nimbus
It would be if it worked for everything
swift tinsel
not really
woven nimbus
For prog?
swift tinsel
yes
hazy breach
It works on almost everything almost all the time
woven nimbus
Except it didnt this tier
peak ice
hazy breach
It literally did
granite lark
it's not absolute trash it's just not great
swift tinsel
^
odd saddle
no you need to cast 1 sec so it can tick before shadow dance snapshot
swift tinsel
its not helping you push phases or survive the things that are killing you most of the time
vs something like increased haste or crit
peak ice
What doesnt it work on atm in raid
tribal blade
part of the issue this tier is there's been propoganda about atrophic being "useless"
mostly pushed by the RWF
peak ice
I can’t really thing of anything
swift tinsel
part of the issue this tier is there's been propoganda about atrophic being "use...
this has me worried they're going to buff atro and call it a day
tribal blade
this has me worried they're going to buff atro and call it a day
that would honestly be better than nothing
granite lark
part of the issue this tier is there's been propoganda about atrophic being "use...
correct, which is a sympton of running the best geared healers and best healer profiles for the fight making up the difference
tribal blade
but i agree i would much rather have a dmg raid buff
odd saddle
mostly pushed by the RWF
its useless because it doesn't affect all damage sources
granite lark
but 99.999% guilds can't and don't do that
tribal blade
correct, which is a sympton of running the best geared healers and best healer p...
yeah exactly
swift tinsel
its just really really really odd that the class specifically centered around different ways of killing does not have a dps increasing raid buff
tribal blade
its useless because it doesn't affect all damage sources
nah that doesn't make it useless
hazy breach
its useless because it doesn't affect all damage sources
Again, it almost always reduces everything
peak ice
What doesn’t it effect in raid?
peak ice
Oh well
swift tinsel
the duration/application method bit is annoying
100%
you cannot ranged spread it like tongues
swift tinsel
and have it maintain like tongues
woven nimbus
Also cant hit Alleria in p1 so you dont impact arrows
peak ice
Yeah fair
woven nimbus
You csnt Hit simulacrums in p2
tribal blade
but still people in keys don't give a shit about DRs
hazy breach
Well the simulacrums are alleria
granite lark
I'll let you rage spread your tongue 
peak ice
Can’t you just hit aleria
swift tinsel
ye it needs to be something that is attractive in both raid and general m+ beyond the bleeding edge keys
you're not bringing a rogue for atro in 23's
tribal blade
the only time people care about DRs in keys is when you're all trying to figure out how to live 1 shots
then atrophic actually becomes quite valuable
but most of the time people don't care, dmg raid buff stacking way more potent
granite lark
ye it needs to be something that is attractive in both raid and general m+ beyon...
respectfully though majority of all players do not understand a thing about DR and how impactful survivability is in keys until it becomes 1 shots
damn graham beat me to it
hazy breach
Idk dont get me wrong its not a fantastic raid buff, but saying it never works is just not correct
swift tinsel
respectfully though majority of all players do not understand a thing about DR a...
which is why I added the caveat for it being attractive for general m+
peak ice
So if it’s just an aura
granite lark
yeah people won't understand, they just go brr
peak ice
Sorta fixed?
swift tinsel
bc ye its good in that case, but the vast,vast majority of players looking in lfg want a dps increasing buff
tribal blade
i've been getting very annoyed at my raid team because they keep telling me how worthless atrophic is
which is patently false
odd saddle
its negligible and if rogue isn't high in the damage meters their invite to raid and M+ potential plummets. Only reason to bring a rogue to raid is so daggers don't go to waste but now surv hunters use them 🤪
hazy breach
Like on lura 98% of all damage you take is reduced by it.
peak ice
I think it’s under damage taken
peak ice
Weird
random mason
take that druids!
If only the druid one didnt alsp give 3% dmg
peak ice
Mark is really nice
tribal blade
mark is such a strong overall raid buff
swift tinsel
so that's with a 1.5% dr vs our 3.6%
swift tinsel
another notch in the Atro L column
odd saddle
mark is such a strong overall raid buff
the strongest
swift tinsel
should just stay on for longer
perma*
tribal blade
well it's funny that valeera's poison in delves is a buff on you
tribal blade
so they have the technology
graceful osprey
I think, baseline, poisons could just be the utility/raid buffs and then assassination would primary have the damage poisons
swift tinsel
but player buff would be better bc then it doesn't require being applied to something far away/untargetable
jade oasis
would this be good with poisons 👀
swift tinsel
I think poisons besides deadly/amp should be revisted
granite lark
pvp tho
swift tinsel
if they're dead-set on having them be part of all 3 specs, they should be compelling
pvp is a separate game mode
treat it as such
tribal blade
would this be good with poisons 👀
depends if that free dmg is more than the nexus rings free dmg
swift tinsel
they already do
woven nimbus
its just weird that we have stuff we cant interact with which makes our raid buff worse
swift tinsel
depends if that free dmg is more than the nexus rings free dmg
I would be kinda surprised if this beats nexus rings, but will have to see with max ilvl
peak ice
I think it might just due to it being 298
odd saddle
if they're dead-set on having them be part of all 3 specs, they should be compel...
personally i think they should turn outlaw into a range gun spec
granite lark
holy
small sleet
4k io on the sub rogue achieved gg
granite lark
there's already ranged gun specs
odd saddle
there's already ranged gun specs
hunters aren't real
granite lark
leave outlaw alone
swift tinsel
and we don't have anything that amps nature dmg that we take that would affect spore ring
tribal blade
4k io on the sub rogue achieved gg
WOOOO
tribal blade
I would be kinda surprised if this beats nexus rings, but will have to see with ...
yeah who knows
peak ice
I think outlaw just kinda need a like, theme prune if that makes sense
graceful osprey
Would be cool sub and outlaw had poisons specific to their spec
swift tinsel
its been shifting from pirate to gunslinger but still has weird vesitges
peak ice
Yea and it was treasure gamble boi for a bit
swift tinsel
Would be cool sub and outlaw had poisons specific to their spec
ye this would be a cool beat
meager coyote
4k io on the sub rogue achieved gg
holymolly
peak ice
It’s just sorta like, not refined enough
woven nimbus
I would be kinda surprised if this beats nexus rings, but will have to see with ...
i mean ip hits alot, if its designed to proc pretty much every 10-15 seconds it should beat
swift tinsel
make it a capstone
swift tinsel
i mean ip hits alot, if its designed to proc pretty much every 10-15 seconds it ...
if its ppm then that will decide it p much
I would be surprised if it had that high uptime
woven nimbus
the 130% makes me wonder
swift tinsel
crown neck has a similar function
graceful osprey
I think blizzard is afraid of adding things to class and some sort of complexity.
woven nimbus
cause if its just something to balance out rng why not make it like the alleria neck
peak ice
Adding extra buttons doesn’t make things better
woven nimbus
but like ya said, we will find out
imma just lie and council it to myself as my deathstalker swap ring
(for guildies and legal reasons, this is a joke)
austere island
imma just lie and council it to myself as my deathstalker swap ring
(for guildie...
unless....
woven nimbus
as if my guildies would show up here. 90% cant even read
BASED ON THEM ALWAYS COMING BACK TO LATE FROM THE BREAK
steady osprey
Guys, they buffed DS...what if they buff goremaws bite next
mortal trail
Guys, anyone progressing Lura having problems with kick macro? I mean the one for northern sky
mortal trail
even in range i press macro and it does nothing
craggy quest
does the matrix go behind you
austere island
then you just fucked up something
fallow nimbus
Convince your raid that range are better for the kicks
mortal trail
#showtooltip Kick
/use [@boss4,exists,nodead,harm] Kick
I dont mine kicking, im just kicking manual, targetting the add and kicking
austere island
/cast
craggy quest
/use works
mortal trail
tested with /cast too
austere island
f
mortal trail
does the matrix go behind you
Nope, even targeting the add, i press macro and it doesnt kick
fallow nimbus
Macro should 100% work
austere island
targeting wrong add or something
mortal trail
Mates with same kick order (2) are using this changing the boss4 for their designed matrix and work for them
mortal trail
put it in your bars?
xd
fallow nimbus
You can't be in range of all 3 without having 1 in your back
austere island
^
fallow nimbus
It's either your add is out of range or in your back
mortal trail
Guys, the kick 1 mark the add with a triangle, i know which one i have to kick, im kicking manually, its just the macro doesnt work and my RL told me to ask here if ppl are having same problems or its only me or my ui (unhalted unitframes) idk
fallow nimbus
Go mid, 360 no scope and spam macro
warm marlin
#showtooltip Kick
/use [@boss4,exists,nodead,harm] Kick
idk why u have the other stuff in there
this one worked for our raid Boss 4 Macro (Matrix 3)
/use [@boss4, exists] Kick
/use [@boss3, exists] Kick
/use [@boss2, exists] Kick
austere island
Guys, the kick 1 mark the add with a triangle, i know which one i have to kick, ...
yoiur frames cant change anything
warm marlin
if you just have boss4 and the other matrices die you will kick nothing
you want the backup lines since boss4 becomes boss3 when boss2 or boss3 die
marble path
why are we kicking thats the ranged’s job
peak ice
It’s on the stealth bar as well as the normal bar too?
mortal trail
this one worked for our raid Boss 4 Macro (Matrix 3)
/use [@boss4, exists] Kick
...
Will try that shit, im kicking 2nd so matrix exists and noone is dead yet
austere island
all the macro is doing is telling your game to kick the target that is on boss frame #4
marble path
we are above kicking
austere island
idk if like disabling boss frames makes it not work
warm marlin
ye if that doesnt work it might just be not facing the target
the range is decently wide
mortal trail
It’s on the stealth bar as well as the normal bar too?
u dont use shadowdance on matrix, damage reduction
warm marlin
their hitbox that is
peak ice
u dont use shadowdance on matrix, damage reduction
Just checkn
warm marlin
u dont use shadowdance on matrix, damage reduction
they dont give a dr on mythic btw
woven nimbus
i was just about to ask
fallow nimbus
This here is the reason that we only used classes with ranged kicks, like dk and ranges
woven nimbus
wasnt that just normal and heroic
warm marlin
they increase boss' damage on mythic instead
austere island
have you removed your boss target frames
mortal trail
No
But i had issues on beloren couldnt focus mouseover the bird of my color
on boss frames
grizzled bay
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fallow nimbus
they increase boss' damage on mythic instead
They do what? 
mortal trail
Guys, its not range/facing issues, dont worry
austere island
im not worried
mortal trail
I mean they keep saying im not positioning myself properly, thas not the issue xd im kicking manually so i know my shit just the macro doesnt work, will try the Ryldd one
fallow nimbus
Are you sure the marks are on the right add? 
mortal trail
I already have a macro to set focus and another macro to kick focus, the "cool thing" about that macro is that it kicks the add u are designed to kick without setting up focus nor shit
mortal trail
Are you sure the marks are on the right add? <:pepelaughemote:780192760850284585...
Yes, im kicking manually 🙂
shrewd lantern
u dont use shadowdance on matrix, damage reduction
this is incorrect
matrices only increase lura's damage on mythic
mortal trail
lura's dmg or lura's dmg received?
shrewd lantern
#showtooltip
/cast [@boss2]Kick
shrewd lantern
change based on assignment
warm marlin
on lfr-heroic they are safeguard matrices and on mythic they are termination
shrewd lantern
i actually forgot lura has a dr on non mythic
i've pulled that bish 1 time on heroic
warm marlin
i actually forgot lura has a dr on non mythic
same because we got aotc with ce 
shrewd lantern
(we disregard the fact i often wasnt dpsing while matrices were up to pad)
shrewd lantern
same because we got aotc with ce <:garf:1320173032743899157>
we got it week 1 then never went back
mortal trail
Ok, it would be a cool thing so i could keep funneling lura while i kick
west tide
hmm do i really craft and build ds for 1 boss thats already dead..
lilac stag
@hazy breach think the extra 
going to be enough to make it better on Beloraj for egg phase ?
west vessel
im late to the party, are the deathstalker buffs actually meaningful
austere island
ima just change in some haste items and play DS just for fun
and then remember it isnt fun and go back
west tide
its not fun?
neat egret
1100 haste skull
west tide
sporefall a trickster boss
swift tinsel
<@135762418251988992>
this part was funny to read lol
swift tinsel
maybe I flip the script and go herald ret
neat egret
ds would surely be more ideal for lura
shrewd lantern
depends how much you can pad
west tide
ds would surely be more ideal for lura
both same tbh depends on comp
maybe ur guild needs the cleave
not likely but its possible
neat egret
nah the crystals are dying
swift tinsel
also funny that they wanted to buff DS aoe and its a ctw buff
neat egret
I do very little DMG to them already
swift tinsel
and a little bit from mass cas
neat egret
Cba for sure
ionic flint
any super high IO rogue players that have an advanced tips for 20-21s?
west tide
yes i am 4k io look me up skipnoz
lilac stag
any super high IO rogue players that have an advanced tips for 20-21s?
Swap to DK
ionic flint
yes i am 4k io look me up skipnoz
outlaw 4k, so sub is bust? for 20+?
lilac stag
same tips for any non-meta spec. Have a consistent group to run with. Sub brings very strong boss dmg. Needs shaman and warrior. Fill in team around that.
ionic flint
warrior shaman, im not looking to push hard just get the 1% mount, which isnt that high right now but i think end of season it will be very challenging.
small sleet
outlaw 4k, so sub is bust? for 20+?
i am 4k io on sub
tidal solstice
small sleet
any super high IO rogue players that have an advanced tips for 20-21s?
i dont think there will be any specific tips for sub that wouldnt apply to any spec at this level. basically just make sure to leverage your utility as much as you can: wound poison is useful on a lot of dungeons, kidney shot can be very helpful when used well, etc. as rogue your utility is pretty sparse, so its important you're very good about defensive usage as well as doing good dps in order to pull your weight. playing with specs like arms warrior and resto sham helps a lot to maximize damage you can output
plush roost
Reldo well thought out response
But
Best tip is to press bp really hard
So it feels like u do mpre damage
small sleet
bro apparently the diabolist warlock bug where they pull out of combat shit is fucking sub rogue related?????????
plush roost
small sleet
apparently in the lock discord they're saying sub rogue makes the diabolist eyes pull shit if you have perma tricks on the tank
?????????
plush roost
Insane spaghetti
small sleet
no fucking wonder i dont see everyone bitching about that bug
short radish
huh
small sleet
our warlock literally cant play diabolist or we pull everything in the dungeon
crystal quiver
is trickster or deathstalker more ST if theres a dmg amp phase?
swift tinsel
ope
small sleet
because my tank is used to not really hitting shit
i ripped aggro with shuriken storm
ggg
swift tinsel
it'd been happening all season and the lock I was playing with was losing his mind 
plush roost
is trickster or deathstalker more ST if theres a dmg amp phase?
Bros acting like we dont know hes talkin seat
😉
tribal blade
apparently in the lock discord they're saying sub rogue makes the diabolist eyes...
lol the insane gaslighting by lock
"it's not our fault, it's theirs"
but that's crazy if it's actually because of sub
small sleet
it has to be
all season, there's been like hardly any reports of lock pulling shit being an issue
but it was happening to us literally every single dungeon multiple times
shrewd lantern
I made the mistake today.
Of trying to do a 14 just to fill vault.
Holy fuck this key level is full of animals.
small sleet
ok i took perma tricks off and something still randomly got pulled so it might not be tricks related
small sleet
i think its still sub rogue related lmao
shrewd lantern
Where have I seen this before....
short radish
i tried to take off so tricky
same whenever i play assi and forget i dont have perma tricks
shrewd lantern
anytime i play tank
i wonder how tanks lose aggro
unless people blow loads during gather
They die because i 180 spin frontals on them for the funny, there's a difference.
tribal blade
i think its still sub rogue related lmao
holy shit imagine it's sectec
this wouldn't be the first sectec jank
tribal blade
same whenever i play assi and forget i dont have perma tricks
i'm actually usually ok because even with perma tricks i retricks the tank before every pull
because there was some issue during TWW iirc where tricks would just randomly stop working even though the buff was up
so i got used to just constantly reapplying it
tribal blade
i just asked my guild's lock
he said it has nothing to do with rogue
his pets will pull random shit w/o rogue in the group
small sleet
o gg then
runic elm
is this addon accurate for stat lines ? says the info is from wowhead icy veins n murlok io but i thought higher haste was needed that what its saying tbh , trying to decide what to swap out my haste gems for
short radish
what the fuck is that addon lmao
tribal blade
is this addon accurate for stat lines ? says the info is from wowhead icy veins ...
i have no idea what that is but i wouldn't use that
wicked joltBOT
tribal blade
your haste is good, wouldn't change that
runic elm
legend ty, n yea the rest of it was on point for bis n builds but the just stat line targets seemed off figured id pop in here to check
jolly tide
It's a nice addon but that page is misleading for (almost or probably) every spec and class
In this case, it is sort of correct in the sense that you want about that amount of haste, and after that you don't want more
For the rest, it's just maxxing specific stats, not making a balance
We don't get to deminishing returns yet
runic elm
yea i just recalled there was a difference in haste minimum depending on trinket n wasnt sure if it was takin that into account, ill just take what it says on stat lines targets with a pinch of salt , rest of its info is pretty on point for the most part ngl
tribal blade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd7T-_SGWB4 wtf this is insane
frosty bramble
Literally a technicality
gilded thistle
is deathstalker gonna overtake trickster now?
I'm scared
I don't wanna play that fuckass spec
runic elm
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923898501529600/1493694969607...
this helped alot cheers
small sleet
is deathstalker gonna overtake trickster now?
deathstalker was already a good bit ahead of trickster in st
gilded thistle
dont say that to me
i dont wanna hear that
everyone's using trickster anyways so w/e
vestal relic
its ahead only in pure st
if you dont want the jank dont play it
but next season we might have to depending on design
gilded thistle
I will play whatever gives me the biggest number, but I will complain about it
vestal relic
if you can get the haste it was already ahead on st
you didnt play it
so stop crying
graceful rock
Do I force supercharger on darkest night? Or not really?
sly shore
As Deathstalker with 4 or less targets: Try to ensure that you always have ancient arts active for your Darkest Night buffed :Eviscerate:s during :ShadowDance:. (This can mean using :ShadowStrike: at full CP to activate it).
This is the only optimisation
brisk raptor
my st sim consistently thinks i should be at like 575 haste which i know is not recommended. are sims a little sketchy?
brisk raptor
hmmm, i can't follow the sim and accomplish that
paper trail
How long is it generally worth to overcap on energy or sit and wait for dance CD incase mark gets desynced? Which it seems to do at times
sly shore
change gems and probs crafts
short radish
my st sim consistently thinks i should be at like 575 haste which i know is not ...
!stats
wicked joltBOT
brisk raptor
thank you, that's helpful
short radish
no wukkas
dry zodiac
my guild is just starting to see p3 lura. can't decide if I should swap or not, but also not sure I can get to 1100 anyway
peak ice
feel like u lose the 6% damage difference just due to muscle memory if ur not like, playing it consistently
dry zodiac
i would definitely go practice it outside of raid. but yeah. im currently tied for 3rd on crystal dmg(behind ele/devourer)
so not even sure we can afford it
dreamy root
all the top logs are still trickster, is DS just a learning thing or sim bait?
void jungle
The new Deathstalker is better then Trickster in Lura Mythic?
peak ice
ds st has been like 5% better for a bit
dry zodiac
it's a combination of ppl not wanting to play deathstalker, not being used to it, and giving up all your aoe dps for boss damage
void jungle
i would definitely go practice it outside of raid. but yeah. im currently tied f...
Me too
cedar sapphire
So close 🙁
peak ice
man i am not having good keys today
delicate wharf
Do I trust sims to drop me from 686 haste to 620 haste by catalysing crit haste cloak into vers mastery?
tribal blade
Do I trust sims to drop me from 686 haste to 620 haste by catalysing crit haste ...
nah don't do that
peak ice
no
edgy imp
WHERE SHOULD I MOVE STATS TO GET MORE DPS ?
dusky yacht
Bruh I’ve been suffering in 17s today
Every single time I get my key to 17 it gets insta bricked by trolls (or like, people who I don't understand have the rating that they do)
dusky yacht
Well me neither but like
No interrupts or CC whatsoever first few pulls of a 17 key
Idk man
Kinda sus ngl
peak ice
Is the boost to 17 like cheap or something
peak ice
Yeah I’m like bordering 3.4 atm
dusky yacht
I'm 3434 so yeah
peak ice
Just cannot get the last few in the last couple days
dusky yacht
Gotta be that
They get boosted to 3.4 and then brick keys
Thinking they'll learn
Oh boy here we go.jpg
dusky yacht
I mean yeah it's not really that bad I guess
random comet
Feel like there always some sub 100k dude
this is so real, i feel like almost every key i do has someone getting hard carried
and it's usually not even me!
dusky yacht
What I've noticed is half the time people talking shit are also the ones with lowest interrupts and no CC used in the whole dungeon while being third dps
peak ice
The regenerating guys in seat are like the biggest flag
I have to run past the mage to kick
Wtf u doin
dusky yacht
Yeah that amazing feeling when you have to shadowstep into a pool of random shit to kick and then shadowstep back because the ranged dps can't find the button
peak ice
Eh fuckn let those go off
dusky yacht
Best overview of the surroundings, can't find the caster in the pool
peak ice
1/5 it kills me
valid dove
Will Deathstalker become the main trait after this patch?
dusky yacht
1/5 it kills me
keen dome
Damn, they're really trying to make us play Deathstalker.
However, I am immune to this trickery
peak ice
Probably not tbh
dusky yacht
However, I am immune to this trickery
Not this time, atheists!
peak ice
If we’re not playn it at 5% increase im sure not gonna bother at 6.5%
hollow spear
Who is we
dusky yacht
Me
peak ice
Rogues bud keep up
valid dove
Is Deathstalker still a powerful character when considering only single-target damage?
dusky yacht
keen dome
Is Deathstalker still a powerful character when considering only single-target d...
Check the pin, it explains it.
hollow spear
Deathstalker is only good in mass aoe, as we all know
keen dome
Deathstalker is only good in mass aoe, as we all know
It's only good.. at being in the bin.
hollow spear
You smell like trash, can I take you out?
keen dome
You smell like trash, can I take you out?
hollow spear
Wait, you can set your pronouns?
dusky yacht
I'm Apache Helicopter Yorukage
keen dome
Wait, you can set your pronouns?
RP addon, yeah.
hollow spear
Aaah
shrewd lantern
even if they brick the key 20x prior
keen dome
Aaah
I don't RP but I like the stuff it gives me
and looking at peoples profiles is fun
hollow spear
Does that do the RP for me? I can't do it
keen dome
Being able to see peoples guild ranks is funny
hollow spear
Yes
keen dome
io score means you're the best right
only if it's a very funny number
hollow spear
He ain't the goat for nothing
keen dome
Anybody can get a high .io. Getting a specific, funny number? insane skill
hollow spear
True
dusky yacht
So like what keys are we looking at for 6767
alpine wraith
yea you can be the biggest subber that ever subber
hollow spear
What key am I looking at for 69?
dusky yacht
yea you can be the biggest subber that ever subber
Do you then get the title Submissive?
alpine wraith
you can get the deathstalker title
dusky yacht
alpine wraith
so we can point and laugh at you
hollow spear
Hell yeah, how
dusky yacht
Get deathstalker title and harass female characters until you get banned
alpine wraith
you know
shrewd lantern
well its from 1k undeads killed
peak ice
Pass
shrewd lantern
idk im a cultured person
valid dove
The Deathstalker needs acceleration to reach 1100 to be efficient, right?
shrewd lantern
i just wear shadowlands enthusiast
hollow spear
Thanks to iGestalt's addon I can now target my harassment at specific groups
shrewd lantern
no you need tempo clearly
keen dome
The Deathstalker needs acceleration to reach 1100 to be efficient, right?
You need 1,100~ haste, yes 🙂
hollow spear
I will now target guild officers
shrewd lantern
eu wow got weird ass names
hollow spear
Probably french
dusky yacht
Don't you need amphetamine
hollow spear
If I had to guess
shrewd lantern
Probably french
didnt censor it smh
hollow spear
Rip
peak ice
Fuck me
peak ice
I’ll get there
valid dove
You need 1,100~ haste, yes 🙂
The rest is 50/50?
hollow spear
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
peak ice
I’m giving up for today though
keen dome
The rest is 50/50?
Yeah. Don't worry about your other stats too much. Getting Haste to the break point (1,100 for Deathstalker) is the most important part. Then Crit/Mast is what you wanna aim for but it's gonna happen naturally
hollow spear
I’m giving up for today though
Wdym it's 8.30?
keen dome
It's 7:30, smh
peak ice
It’s 6:30pm
valid dove
Yeah. Don't worry about your other stats too much. Getting Haste to the break po...
ok . thank you
hollow spear
I like French food, but it makes you fat
hollow spear
What isn't
tribal blade
I like French food, but it makes you fat
you have to eat it like the french do, in super small portions
that's how they aren't fat
peak ice
Idm British food
hollow spear
We are white, we are red. We are Danish smorebread.
keen dome
Idm British food
I'm curious. What do you define as British Food.
hollow spear
Lamb with mint sauce
shrewd lantern
fish pie
peak ice
Nz is lamb central
shrewd lantern
/j
dusky yacht
Bangers and mash
I thought you wrote bangers and smash and then I thought of american pie
keen dome
Beef Wellington is a french dish! We stole it. But yeah, the rest? agreed.
We love our pies we do
peak ice
You should come to nz
keen dome
smack barm pea wet let's go
peak ice
Were the pie kings
shrewd lantern
Yeah but wtf is that abomination called marmite
peak ice
Not even a competition
hollow spear
Chicken tikka masala
keen dome
Yeah but wtf is that abomination called marmite
it owns
keen dome
Chicken tikka masala
also owns
shrewd lantern
thats indian
hollow spear
Nah
keen dome
Chicken Tikka masala has roots in English cusine, rather than the Indian subcontinent
hollow spear
The Brits have claimed like
keen dome
The story goes someone asked for gravy on their tikka
keen dome
But it's more likely just a fusion dish or a dish created for the english pallet. It's our national dish
keen dome
chinese takeout is to chinese
Yeah, pretty much, It has roots in traditional dishes but it's a creation for the host culture
And it owns
love a good curry
peak ice
Going to go get a butter chicken now
hollow spear
It's like döner kebab, it was Turk immigrants who invented it in Germany
hollow spear
A good curry always burns twice
shrewd lantern
restaurants sometimes super hesitate to serve actual spicy food
to foreigners
they dont wanna get sued
💀
keen dome
haha
give me the authentic spice
I crave it
gimme a proper tom yum goong right now
vestal escarp
Lmao troll tuning
hollow spear
Yeah, the actual spicy Indian food is next level
keen dome
My fav area of Indian food is south india. Gimme a good thali.
Really diverse and fantastic vegeterian food
shrewd lantern
indian food in general is good but
It kind of shows how soft power negatively impacts
perceptions of food
keen dome
Ye
Also it's a huuuge spread of different cusines that we tend to lump together as "indian"
shrewd lantern
same can be said about chinese
shrewd lantern
or even russian
shrewd lantern
Not everyone is a blonde from moscow wrestling bears in snow
keen dome
mmmm, tasty Borscht
keen dome
Fuck knows, I imagine shared
I bet it's one of those shared foods that has slight differences based on the location you are looking at, with access to slightly different ingredients
peak ice
I got given a ton of kinna few days ago
keen dome
Huh, it's a yiddish word. That's cool
peak ice
Made a mean pasta
keen dome
Speaking of cool food. You know what food rules?
peak ice
Eel
hollow spear
Can easily start fights with anything Yiddish atp
keen dome
Ethiopian. Gimme that Injera
hollow spear
Hell yeah
keen dome
that's a cusine that fucking rules so hard
keen dome
Yeah
peak ice
Sold
shrewd lantern
Alot of people definitely do rate heavy on visuals.
keen dome
Yep
hollow spear
Always order a mixed platter with injera
keen dome
I know people who can't eat traditinal ethopian 'cos of the presentation, but you've gotta try it
100%, Colo
shrewd lantern
I've always said
keen dome
it's why I love thali so much. It's so many different flavours, textures, etc.
Lots of small dishes > one big dish
shrewd lantern
best food places are run by some grandma who doesnt believe food allergies are real
keen dome
I remember watching a little youtube thing on a Chinese (Hong Kong? I forget) hole in the wall that was literally a grandma's home. And she made dumpling soup. And it was the best around
It ruled
hollow spear
best food places are run by some grandma who doesnt believe food allergies are r...
Where you always have to be afraid the shop will be gone by the next government inspection
shrewd lantern
Yeah
keen dome
like the english greasey spoon
hollow spear
We stumbled in a Ramen place in Onomichi packed with only Japanese, felt validated
keen dome
Hong Kong is a place I deeply wish to visit. I adore the food culture form what I've read.
tribal blade
Hong Kong actually has diners styled like that
cha chaan teng
keen dome
Esp the uh, what's it called.
shrewd lantern
Yeah
keen dome
the lots of little dishes
tribal blade
they're dying in HK
keen dome
you have it with tea
keen dome
sad
shrewd lantern
all the rich people send their kids abroad
tribal blade
best part about those places is you bring a foreigner to it
keen dome
I forget the term, but I went deep into Hong Kong 'colonial' cusine a while back and it's fascinating. The replication of dishes Hong Kong people made of colonial staples, using different ingredients / approximations
tribal blade
and they can't believe how loud it is haha
keen dome
It's so fucking cool
tribal blade
oh yeah HK is very colonial
shrewd lantern
its a fake one
tribal blade
my mom has a british accent
keen dome
Hah
tribal blade
well chinese-british accent
hollow spear
Have to decide between SK and Hong Kong and China for our next trip
keen dome
Colonalism sucks, like, intensely so. But the fusion cusine and way some stuff evolved is fascinating
tribal blade
most people don't stay in HK for too long haha
shrewd lantern
I think the biggest culture shock bringing my foreign friends anywhere in china
tribal blade
it's quite claustrophobic
shrewd lantern
The lack of social taboo of calling people fat openly
keen dome
lmao
tribal blade
The lack of social taboo of calling people fat openly
TRUUUEEEEEE
keen dome
that'd be extremely funny
zinc wagon
The lack of social taboo of calling people fat openly
Should be eveywhere. Dont eat so much. Fatso.
hollow spear
Didn't know about that 
tribal blade
westerners don't understand how normal it is to fat shame here
tribal blade
if you are fat here
you will be called fat boy
literally
and it's not an insult
it's just facts
shrewd lantern
westerners don't understand how normal it is to fat shame here
Don't tan if you're a local
either
tribal blade
Don't tan if you're a local
yeah that too
keen dome
Going to China and thinking Fei Zai is them giving me a cool pinyin name and it's just them calling me fat.
tribal blade
tan=farmer and low status
hollow spear
My next character name unlocked
zinc wagon
You cant have all the benefits in the world by eating all the good stuff and then cry cause people call you fat
tribal blade
My next character name unlocked
hahaaa
keen dome
tan=farmer and low status
Funny how different that is in the UK
hollow spear
Well, if you're too tanned you might be a Geordie
tribal blade
Funny how different that is in the UK
yeah it goes back to ancient times i think
back during the dynasties
keen dome
Ye
shrewd lantern
confucianism yeah
tribal blade
all the rich folk stayed indoors
shrewd lantern
its also why the male beauty standard is prettier
tribal blade
and the poor people working outside
keen dome
Chinese beauty standards are, uh, terrifying, too
hollow spear
I look like death without some tan
tribal blade
so pale skin is associated with status
hollow spear
Cannot
shrewd lantern
because all the rich beareucrats decided to touch themselves up
keen dome
I follow a few content creators who put out really interesting deep dives into chinese cultural stuff.
peak ice
We just all pretty down here
shrewd lantern
and those guys had money
peak ice
Island Magic
keen dome
so pale skin is associated with status
finally, it's my time as captain mayonise to thrive
tribal blade
finally, it's my time as captain mayonise to thrive
HELL yeah
white privilege is super real here
keen dome
I'm so pale I'm a ghost
hollow spear
So you're saying Chinese men invented this cringe looksmaxxing trend centuries ago?
tribal blade
when i was pushing keys i was pale as hell
keen dome
I'm also ginger so I might be a ghost
tribal blade
i have a tan now haha
tribal blade
CAN ACTUALLY GO OUTSIDE
shrewd lantern
pop into a watsons
tribal blade
WHEN NOT PUSHING KEYS
hollow spear
Take a parasol dude
shrewd lantern
most girls will sunscreen and wear protective
hollow spear
Some girls walking around make you feel like you're in Saudi Arabia
tribal blade
that's how i know you're a HKer
shrewd lantern
actually sometimes watsons rips you off
tribal blade
i'm sure of it lol
keen dome
I also have to wear sunscreen to go outside
shrewd lantern
well it exists on the mainland too
hollow spear
Anyone should if there's high UV
keen dome
Ye
tribal blade
i avoid the mainland as much as i can
keen dome
I just burn instantly
shrewd lantern
Most of them use tone-up sunscreens
tribal blade
haven't been to the mainland since i was a teen
shrewd lantern
if they're super pale
hollow spear
My fiancee's best friend is a dermatologist
shrewd lantern
which basically whitens you a bit over your main layer
doesnt work if your complexion is more melanin
hollow spear
iGestalt's pronouns are sun/burnt
shrewd lantern
Most of them will wear sunscreen even if the sun isnt strong that day
Alot of modern ones do other shit too
peak ice
You shoumd just wear it always
shrewd lantern
peak ice
Unless you wanna look like some wrinkled ol boomer
shrewd lantern
yeah just avoid US brands
shrewd lantern
Depends on country but yeah
peak ice
Doubt us sends us any stuff
hollow spear
What are US brands doing?
shrewd lantern
FDA regulations
peak ice
Quite a lot of brands don’t meet the actual spf they say they have
shrewd lantern
so most are using over 20 year old filters
hollow spear
Am I going to be a chloride chicken?
hollow spear
That country makes me turn off the news
hollow spear
I've reached my infuriation limits
peak ice
Yeah it’s defo having an effect on my mental when I see stuff from there
Oh they’re steam rolling another monument to make it blue
Aight cool
shrewd lantern
I see news about the UK and its someone being stabbed
hollow spear
I'm trying to think of a way I got politically persecuted by the US to make some money
shrewd lantern
But yeah also aussie sunscreens are kind of good too.
hollow spear
Should have tried to overthrow the government a while ago, missed opportunity
hollow spear
But yeah also aussie sunscreens are kind of good too.
They have to be, no?
peak ice
Got thin ozone layer here
hollow spear
Not sure I blame their domestic sunscreen for that haha
shrewd lantern
no its their location
peak ice
It’s cause they’re so lax about it
hollow spear
The sunburns I've seen there
peak ice
Half of them just constantly look like leather bags
hollow spear
Yeah, you got people my age look like they're deep in their fifties
peak ice
Surfers paradise is full of wackos
shrewd lantern
Yeah its promoted more than america but also higher risk
hollow spear
Smoking plus sun out of the wazoo
shrewd lantern
and alcohol
hollow spear
True
hollow spear
Spf 100 when
shrewd lantern
One thing i dislike about korean sunscreens compared to japanese ones
they dont hold up to humidity
dreamy wedge
Good morning. Do you guys use wound poison in Maisara?
hollow spear
I do. Don't forget to use sunscreen, too!
hollow spear
Call me crazy, but sometimes I just don't bother swapping to instant
solar sigil
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
quasi cypress
Morning, so did Blizz change my gear / talent / rotation set up again for a 3rd week running or?
Pain in the WoW dad
dusky yacht
Morning, so did Blizz change my gear / talent / rotation set up again for a 3rd ...
Yes we are going back to cloud cover and stacking nothing but versatility
You also have to race change to vulpera
keen dome
Morning, so did Blizz change my gear / talent / rotation set up again for a 3rd ...
Nah, not at all. You can go Deathstalker for more ST damage, but you need 1,100 haste. Or you can just continue playing Trickster and it won't matter
rare quest
Nah, not at all. You can go Deathstalker for more ST damage, but you need 1,100 ...
I took one look at the 1,100 haste requirement. Figured out what it would take to get 400 more haste and went "yeah I'm good for this season"
quasi cypress
❤️
keen dome
Yeah I just don't care to be stronger in a handful of pure ST fights when it really doesn't matter atm. MAAYBE Sporefall but eh who cares
It's all relative, imo. You can just go DS for more dam in pure ST, and do more dam. But is it actually needed?
quasi cypress
Ya agreed - will just stick to what I’m enjoying!
gritty crow
Yeah I just don't care to be stronger in a handful of pure ST fights when it *re...
have you started pushing high keys?
peak ice
Idk if I’d play ds in keys anyway
keen dome
Yeah I think it's weaker AoE would probably not off-set the ST gain, but maybe there's value in the ST gain at super high levels? I dunno.
I'd probably just play Assa at that point
dreamy wedge
Why would you play assa at that point if you are looking for single target damage?
chrome fern
to answer y'alls questions about sunburns etc in Aus, The reason for it is that our summer happens when the earth is closer to the sun
the ozone thing is a myth
NZ has slightly thinner ozone layer, but also cause it's colder there, they are more conditioned to not spending the time outside
chrome fern
i mean these are the documented reasons for the disparity in skin cancer rates
it's australia's sun habits that are the problem
foggy moat
Sometimes it feels like i have just no energy outside of cds is this because of design or am i doing something wrong
peak ice
Basically yea
You should be able to still build and spend but it’s not unlimited like in dance
keen dome
Sometimes it feels like i have just no energy outside of cds is this because of ...
You do no damage outside of cooldowns, so having no energy isn't an issue. You have infinite energy when doing damage, and then it doesn't matter outside of that.
An extra few backstabs isn't going to matter
foggy moat
You do no damage outside of cooldowns, so having no energy isn't an issue. You h...
so then by this logic, if i have a dance/tech coming up in 3 seconds but i'm on 7cp i shoiuldn't evis unless i know for certain i have the energy to get back to 6/7 by the time my technique comes off cd?
peak ice
Yep
foggy moat
ok that's a mistake i've been making that's easy to rectify
keen dome
Ye
chrome fern
so then by this logic, if i have a dance/tech coming up in 3 seconds but i'm on ...
even then, could be worth not sending to store up some sht
keen dome
You always want to go into Dance with full combies so you can dance+sectec
foggy moat
i haven't played this spec since dragoonerflight and idr having energy problems ever then but i also had sec tech and dance every 5 seconds
peak ice
The ancient arts stacks also matter cause they’ll either fill it up fully or just however many stacks u have of them
foggy moat
but yeah in short it's worth to not press a gcd i could for 2-3 gcds when dance window is coming up to gaurantee i don't drift dance
essentially?
peak ice
U just want to have the energy to sec with dance at full combo
keen dome
Yeah. I recommend having a read of the guide 'cos I think this is outlined in it. But you want to go into dance with the eneryg for a SecTec, and the combies for it immediately. And ideally enough SHT to immediately evis after.
peak ice
You need to backstab before the evis to proc aa
foggy moat
tyty
peak ice
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
fallow ingot
Hi there fellas
Do we have a world where we play deathstalker on l'ura if our raid have enough dmg on cristals ?
golden thunder
do I have to be engi to use Atherlume items?
dreamy wedge
do I have to be engi to use Atherlume items?
No.
dapper stirrup
Should we play Deathstalker on Crown now?
tribal vortex
do I have to be engi to use Atherlume items?
The head yes, the rest no
void ocean
wheres DS in terms of other secondary stats, is is balanced crit/mastery or is it inclined towards one
chilly dagger
Morning folks!
Is there a way to upgrade t his Macro with Cheap shot for Subs?
#showtooltip Kidney Shot
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] Kidney Shot
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast Kidney Shot
/target focus
/clearfocus
/startattack
Do I just add
/cast [@focus, stance] Cheap Shot before kidney?
hollow spear
Not sure what this is supposed to achieve
peak ice
is this that same macro
dusky yacht
Morning folks!
Is there a way to upgrade t his Macro with Cheap shot for Subs?
...
excuse me what the fuck
You're gonna have to buy me four red bulls before I even look at that one more time
earnest crane
looooooooooooooooooooooooool
dusky yacht
Now I feel embarrassed about using this belt
void ocean
i mean im gona keep it, never know when i can find it useful
quasi cypress
!stats
wicked joltBOT
void ocean
especially if i decide to try DS, altho less likely
hollow spear
Now I feel embarrassed about using this belt
You should
hollow spear
especially if i decide to try DS, altho less likely
DS doesn't really like crit tho
void ocean
figured i wouldnt get offf that easily
empty bobcat
so assa got super buffed?
dusky yacht
You should
Why tho
empty bobcat
ah its deathstalker which was bad and is still bad :3
dusky yacht
Only saladbar belt sims better for me with 0.3%
But I think that's just the sims being weird about haste tbh
hollow spear
that was the one good thing about PE
I absolutely shat the bad in a heroic raid yesterday and realized afterwards that we had no shaman, no warrior and no monk
Truly cursed
chilly dagger
excuse me what the fuck
So what this macro does is following:
if you have focus set => casts kidney on it
If you dont have focus => casts kidney on a casting target e.g. when you press blizzards tab => but this macro immediately switches back to the target you had clicked on
If none is casting, it targets your target as "tab" would not switch.
But I am wondering if I could just add Cheapshot to it too, as in, when im in Dance, use cheap instead of kidney 😄
dusky yacht
So what this macro does is following:
if you have focus set => casts kidney on i...
Holy shit
chilly dagger
I have the same for "kick" instead of "Kidney shot"
This one did this - it casts cheap shot when in stealth and when not, kidney:
#showtooltip
/cast [@focus, stance] Cheap Shot
/cast [@focus, nostealth] Kidney Shot
dusky yacht
I should prolly look into these tbh
chilly dagger
so chill you just look on your focus and interrupt when needed and if yours not casting and you need help the other, you still just press.. 😄