ah nice
#subtlety
warm marlin
idk it was about the same speed as doing fast 12s with a good group
lilac stag
It could have been you!
warm marlin
3 rit sites takes about 20 mins or so depending on speed, maybe faster
for 20 myth (60 hero converted up)
a fast 12 is like 15mins for 16 myth
swift tinsel
oh that's insane ngl
swift tinsel
It could have been you!
I'm one npx run away from pure freedom
torn turtle
I’d like to push higher just because 10s are pain to run two for a 3ilvl upgrade on a belt or whatever
quaint breach
to make it easier to quantify, at what keylevel do people who parse green/blue on raid bosses as an average stop showing up
swift tinsel
just need myth boots and that's the last item I can roll for there, perfectly
also sent cata charges on rat hero pieces for full tier appearance lol
quaint breach
seems like a bunch manage to squeeze through each key level eventually. Doing crap dps in m+
swift tinsel
half-praying for myth guidon or vora bracers from raid tonight
otherwise I have pit bracers I can uppy
torn turtle
I didn’t get guidon from lfr, so I’m onto normal I guess
swift tinsel
had shit vault but it worked out for me by taking tokens
lilac stag
I crafted bracers to arcano. So outside of bael weap or crown neck. Rogue is done. Need 3 sockets.
shrewd lantern
seems like a bunch manage to squeeze through each key level eventually. Doing cr...
Probably not until the highest key levels.
torn turtle
I got myth gloves so I can swap for non tier pants finally
shrewd lantern
m+ isnt hard content
warm marlin
to make it easier to quantify, at what keylevel do people who parse green/blue o...
idk like 21
swift tinsel
I've got crafted belt and cba to get alternative lol
lilac stag
m+ isnt hard content
LFG for m+ is hard content
swift tinsel
I'd be real haste-heavy with whatever belt I get to replace it
lilac stag
I've got crafted belt and cba to get alternative lol
I took hunt off daggie
warm marlin
even in 20 i think you can do bad dmg and just pull aggressively and do stops and prob time
swift tinsel
once I clear crest debt I'll need to recraft belt to crit/mastery and regem
and even then might be a lil haste-heavy
warm marlin
I go in a pug and we brick by like 30s in a relatively clean run my group will time with 10 deaths
warm marlin
i'm going nonverbal
shrewd lantern
only thing worse is rbg players
swift tinsel
it let me use a delve map after using a delve map, lets see if I can still get the crests from it without the gear or if I just have the buff all week lol
steel gull
on the last boss of seat when i had to aim for an orb with the beam, i tried to cloak and i still took damage and died, which made me realise cloak doesn't work on this. After checking, it says it's physical damage, does this mean evasion would dodge it?
small sleet
it does for 1 whole second!
hazy breach
steel gull
so no way to dodge the hit and have to use damage reduction or pot if i'm in danger, thanks
small sleet
just hit feint and flame healer if you die
@hazy breach is there an up to date sim profile for deathstalker somewhere
shrewd lantern
just hit feint and flame healer if you die
"1 heal"
small sleet
like if i wanted to look at the hypothetical bis
small sleet
gg
ripe flame
DS my beloved
hazy breach
I have one locally but fuus sheet probably has one too
small sleet
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
hazy breach
Realistically though theres dozens of setups that are all fine
just get 1050-1100 haste and then gg
small sleet
yea i was more just curious
swift tinsel
it let me use a delve map after using a delve map, lets see if I can still get t...
lol it let me get gear and 20 hero again
shrewd lantern
yeah you can earn one map a week
but you can spend them whenever
i dumped 3 maps in one week of tww s3
swift tinsel
ye I thought the use and acquisition were both limited to once per week, not just acquisition
ripe flame
Big +5
swift tinsel
you get what, 7 less
shrewd lantern
you got way more in tww
wasnt it at least 10 from the map and 7 from the completion
tribal vortex
ye I thought the use and acquisition were both limited to once per week, not jus...
It is the stupidest thing cause, you can use the map but you don't get item
shrewd lantern
it did
swift tinsel
It is the stupidest thing cause, you can use the map but you don't get item
I did
shrewd lantern
10 before the mid season buff to 20
swift tinsel
just now
tribal vortex
Ah maybe fixed
in TWW seaason 3 you could use but no item
So I used week 2 , 2 but didn't get anything
small sleet
im convinced fuu's sim is cheating that number too high
there are no other explanations
lilac stag
link the sim you’re questioning
small sleet
haha no i was just looking at the bis sim fuu has on his spreadsheet for ds and its like 136k
hollow spear
Fuu is simming with vantus iirc
small sleet
and my sim is like 132k, but i still have upgrades to get, and could have a better stat spread so it definitely makes sense
yeah i am as well
small sleet
i mean im specifically simming with vantus because im playing it on lura where i'll be vantused
lilac stag
Propping up sims to make shit look better
I mean in the sheet
Assuming it is and you all aren’t on crack
small sleet
oh yeah
lilac stag
Not opening up stuff on mobile
lilac stag
every other class discord 
Sub channel. Prop it up. 
small sleet
fuu is the rogue dev im p sure
he's gotta convince us we're good so he can stop buffing us
lilac stag
nah. Goremaws would be gone if he was.
small sleet
that's how he tricks you
warm marlin
i mean im specifically simming with vantus because im playing it on lura where i...
the supercharger line is another 1%
or so
small sleet
o
small sleet
he just keeps winning wtf
vale pine
to make it easier to quantify, at what keylevel do people who parse green/blue o...
you might parse bad on mythic because your guilds strategy is bad
hollow spear
How can he get rewarded for his betrayal?
vale pine
its not that easy to quantify
warm marlin
How can he get rewarded for his betrayal?
nah but my alts all have insane luck
like generational op luck
vale pine
like half of the mythic bosses
warm marlin
and my rogue is down bad
hollow spear
I'm at 282 ilvl due to vacation
vale pine
parsing high percentiles is about padding or playing for logs
hollow spear
It's so over
warm marlin
like my split rogue needs a neck to discount main
first try from pit
my dh hits both nexus rings in 3 rolls
then hits the 2 pieces i need from caverns in 2 rolls
dk gets guidon first clear gaze in 3rd vault lura neck insane dungeon luck
that rogue guy took key vault 4 weeks in a row during prog
gg or what
small sleet
next patch notes needs to buff vault luck for underperforming specs
its just not fair
warm marlin
actually i remember
my rogue hit the wrong chim trinket 2 times in first 3 weeks
in vault
small sleet
LOL
warm marlin
wait i lied
quaint breach
you might parse bad on mythic because your guilds strategy is bad
yea, mythic I don't put as much focus on. But HC should not be green/blue unless its the 1st/2nd week of the raid
warm marlin
my rogue hit gaze with the first bonus roll and then got the tokens refunded
my rng is just good
i took it all from foreverguy
small sleet
wat da hell
plush roost
my rogue hit gaze with the first bonus roll and then got the tokens refunded
This is the third week ive hit lura neck and wont take it cause alternatives are better and im a pirate
warm marlin
This is the third week ive hit lura neck and wont take it cause alternatives are...
lura neck + lura ring on ds sub though
big stonks
strange chasm
hazy breach
Can we normalize sht so our spec does not feel like piss to play when you play without a shaman, thx
swift tinsel
Yes please thank you
Or give us a class talent that provides the same effect
And then blacklist like old ret csaa
shadow lance
I only sub in raid, I'm always normalized by the sham buff
Not on damages but it's another thing
small sleet
Isn’t it like 10% for arms too
timid rose
Can we normalize sht so our spec does not feel like piss to play when you play w...
my wife switched from rsham to rdru for this season because she thought the current iteration of rsham is boring, no matter what I say I can't convince her that she should go back. It's like she doesn't even like me anymore
small sleet
my wife switched from rsham to rdru for this season because she thought the curr...
Yeah man that’s a divorce idk what else to tell you
timid rose
worst part is i convinced her to go druid because i started the season as enhance, so it's my own fault
hazy breach
Isn’t it like 10% for arms too
Seems to be around 6-7% for both arms and ret going of their default profiles in simc
warm marlin
Seems to be around 6-7% for both arms and ret going of their default profiles in...
hmm a very interesting percentage there
marble path
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qWTDVszycG2UhV4nDNeEcg
is this sim real chat
puts me close to 800 haste and its using the funky consumables
is the ring set actually good lol
marble path
intewesting ...
shadow lance
Can't find the tuning article
hazy breach
Can't find the tuning article
Huh?
swift tinsel
What tuning
shadow lance
I'm dumb
marble path
came to him in a vision
astral axle
vestal rune
700 haste with oils? Or just raw?!? Lol
small sleet
Seems to be around 6-7% for both arms and ret going of their default profiles in...
I think it’s a bigger % in key build for arms at least but I could be totally wrong. Last I was looking at some arms sims it was like 9 something % but it was an m+ build I was simming
hazy breach
Very possible
small sleet
I trust him wholeheartedly because it fits my view that shaman buff is too op
violet palm
I heard there is a weird bug for rets with sham buff that net a lot of dmg
swift tinsel
Ret gains both holy power and art of war procs which fuel their apex
Previously the holy power thing was specifically blacklisted from benefitting from Skyfury lol
dire ravine
It really likes these frick ass legs.
warm marlin
@lilac stag dk hits 290 
fiery fog
i dont know whats going on with my alt rogue
for some reason im doing way more dmg on that one than on my main
with constant 5-7 ilvl less
void ocean
swift tinsel
no tuning needed game's perfect
coral bear
!sheet
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trail rover
Guys I have no myth necks from alleria/lura in sight 
would you play hc versions and gimp your ilvl or just play myth pit neck and run some more crit
small sleet
I’d just sim it and do whatever it says is best
lilac stag
Heroic alleria should beat any regular mythic neck if you gear around it properly.
trail rover
Im not too sure it loses 29 sec stats to pit neck, I will try to move around gear/stats and see if i can get comparable sims
(not that it matters I'm just a minmaxing noob)
tribal vortex
but it has 2 sockets no?
trail rover
alleria one too?
small sleet
Lura neck is the only neck with 2 sockets
tribal vortex
Ah sorry thought alleria had 2 too
dull lichen
Heya, kinda new to rogue and dual wield specs. How much does our offhand affect our dps? Like if I have 295 crafted main hand and 259 off hand. Will upgrading the offhand boost my dps?
small sleet
Heya, kinda new to rogue and dual wield specs. How much does our offhand affect ...
It will boost your dps, but not by a lot. Offhand is pretty low value
willow mantle
is adamantite sharpening stone fixed?
lilac stag
Im not too sure it loses 29 sec stats to pit neck, I will try to move around gea...
I simmed all of it. You can do the same. It boils down to not going over haste. I have pit neck in my bag. The proc > stats.
The joys of being on LC. You get good at simming.
End of the day put on whatever jewelry makes you feel pretty.
weak vector
Stupid question - what's the con of using a sword in OH?
lilac stag
!oh
wicked joltBOT
Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.
weak vector
Thanks
royal fog
Hey gang. My Sub rogue journey continues into week 2. Thanks for peoples help with my last questions. In 1 week I got from level 10 to 285 ilvl (WTF blizzard), 3.4k rating and 4/9M. Was a wild week and I played way too much. Love this class and spec.
So I have another question, something I haven't been able to get my head around properly. So before our Shadow Dance (and Shadow Blades for the big CD blast) we want to pool some Shadow Techniques stacks. I've seen different things but from my understanding we want to pool 5 stacks so that our first spender (which is going to be Secret Technique) gets buffed with Ancient Arts. Is this correct? I tested on a casual Lura kill last night and I seemed to be doing more damage full send as opposed to pooling for the AA buff. Am I way off with my understanding here. I really want to get the nuances of the spec dialed in for my next mythic prog night.
trail rover
I simmed all of it. You can do the same. It boils down to not going over haste. ...
yeah im trying but getting the perfect haste with every setup is super hard for them all being in +/- 0,2% range anyway, feels like i get more difference from being off by 10 haste than the actual items
should probably up my sim game and get premium 
swift tinsel
its also a bit tricky because the sim doesn't need as much haste as your average person
lilac stag
Not sure what perfect haste you’re chasing
swift tinsel
so it will lowball
trail rover
yeah sim likes to go below 600
hazy breach
Hey gang. My Sub rogue journey continues into week 2. Thanks for peoples help wi...
You do not need to pool to 5 no
You just want ~1-3 so your second finisher gets apexed
lilac stag
@swift tinsel did I win wow?
peak ice
<@534102863207464971> did I win wow?
is that vers
swift tinsel
<@534102863207464971> did I win wow?
hazy breach
royal fog
You just want ~1-3 so your second finisher gets apexed
Ah Right so just the second finisher. Because I was standing around with my dick in my hands waiting for so many stacks. Appreciate the help. Read your icy-veins guide but wanted to properly understand 🙂
swift tinsel
I have one npx and an annoying amount of crests til I’m set lol
hazy breach
Also fwiw icy veins just got a facelift, looks a bit different now (but all the info is the same)
swift tinsel
Oo will have to peruse
royal fog
Yeah it looks really good!
lilac stag
OMG vers is soooooooo bad 
trail rover
<@534102863207464971> did I win wow?
you hit 290ivl on the dot with pos neck btw 
swift tinsel
I now have twice as much vers with tier cloak!
swift tinsel
I would like to warband transfer myth crests to my main please
swift tinsel
have you tried getting a rigid scale greatcloak?
I’d have to fresh roll Skyreach and that’s an endeavor
lilac stag
i just started converting heroic and champ cress
fucking running dungeons on the rogue. lfg can suck it
swift tinsel
I did that a week or two ago bc I had a very lazy week
Wasn’t expecting Blizz to rando drop a crest cap removal
lilac stag
back to farming crests on the dk lol
trail rover
blatant lie
lilac stag
if that's what you need to tell yourself so you can sleep at night, have at it
trail rover
I swear you are the biggest crybaby in here xD
lilac stag
you’re the one talking shit. I really give no fucks
peak ice
Yay second nexus ring finally
What do I. Roll on now? Other than like mythic guidon I’m done with dungeons
lilac stag
Wasn’t expecting Blizz to rando drop a crest cap removal
Running all the delves for fun paid off.
swift tinsel
3k for a 10 lmao
peak ice
Kek
royal fog
Sorry I have another question @hazy breach. I am using the macro tying Shadow Dance and Secret Technique together. In the opener it says SD -> SB -> ST. How important is it to use Shadow Dance before Shadow Blades? Is this just in the opener or in every SB window? I've been hitting SB (That I have macro'd with Guidon and Pot) then hitting the SD + ST macro, then into the Shadowstrike -> Eviscerate spam.
hazy breach
Its completely irrelevant wether you dance or blades first
As long as both are before sectech it does not matter
royal fog
Oh ok good. Phew, don't have to change my muscle memory. Thanks ❤️
placid pivot
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
ebon stone
Hey I’m fresh 90 what dungeon should I use my bonus rolls on
hazy breach
Skyreach or nexus point probably
ebon stone
Kk ty
coral bear
!sheet
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
restive python
I wouls say skyreach dagger is so good shoulders and ches u can catalized, cloak is BIS and trinket its just good enougn if u have bad rng
swift tinsel
ye pretty much every single item you can roll for there is quite good
short radish
pretty good. woke up to having uncapped crests now
though probably doesnt matter that much anyway
if i remember to for lura sure
somber sun
thxx
short radish
i kinda forgot i was going to do that since
got sat for dragons
my paladins was horrible
and sat for crown 
somber sun
crown too tf
lilac stag
though probably doesnt matter that much anyway
Yeah I just full sent on rogue and went back to dk.
somber sun
ohhh
short radish
damn forgot to save beloran
that would have been a good one
i spend the entire of p1 playing goalie
lilac stag
wanna guess if they have me on dk or rogue for baloran? I think we down crown this week.
fossil forge
@short radish r u graygang too
fossil forge
Fkkkk
short radish
i was trying to go for the 0 parse
fossil forge
Same HAHA
short radish
based
smoky goblet
@ fuu i think the daggers on the best raid list needs to be updated too 🙂
short radish
!guide
tribal blade
greyer than you
i'll beat both you guys dw
short radish
@ fuu i think the daggers on the best raid list needs to be updated too 🙂
imo it's fine
fossil forge
@ fuu i think the daggers on the best raid list needs to be updated too 🙂
nooo i just got my belo dagger …
tribal blade
sub doesn't really have a true bis list right now
short radish
99.8% of people reading that and going for bis list
won't be able to farm beloran dagger
tribal blade
besides a few items
short radish
tribal blade
is it safe to convert all our crests into myth right now
fossil forge
I have 3 raid slots its either alleria neck or feather for law
fossil forge
is it safe to convert all our crests into myth right now
what else u gonna spend it on cuh
tribal blade
what else u gonna spend it on cuh
i don't wanna get fucked with them announcing something like old turboboost again
i do'nt think it's gonna happen
short radish
what else u gonna spend it on cuh
vet crests to save 5k gold a week
tribal blade
but still
fossil forge
big turboboost btw
I gain Exactly 1,5 ilvl
also i forgot to say i passed all finals we moving onto uni in 4 months
lilac stag
i do'nt think it's gonna happen
If you don’t convert now, you have to farm crests. Of the don’t do a turbo you just wasted the crests.
tribal blade
also i forgot to say i passed all finals we moving onto uni in 4 months <:garf_s...
HUGE
short radish
what you gonna be doing at uni?
tribal blade
If you don’t convert now, you have to farm crests. Of the don’t do a turbo you j...
yeah i don't think they're doing turboboost
fossil forge
I will be studying management
somber sun
tribal blade
we already have more borrowed power incoming that isn't turboboost
short radish
ahhh prepping for guild master i see
fossil forge
Prepping for my McDonald manager debut
tribal blade
I will be studying management
you can study to manage these nuts on your face
respectfully of course
fossil forge
somber sun
- ability to cooperate as a team to reach high end goals
you staying up for reset again btw ? 
short radish
writing down 4 cutting edges in my cv
honestly if you word it correctly and you get a recruiter that has more than 3 braincells (unlikely)
a lot of the stuff you do in wow can be translated into a CV
fossil forge
I just hit boss
short radish
yes and i just press random buttons at work
fossil forge
good point
short radish
but say you're a RL there's the whole management aspect
somber sun
I accept the fact that I can get bench'd 
short radish
I just hit boss <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
like there's
spec/rotation research
coordination with 19 other people
being in the top 1% of players in the world
warm marlin
greyer than you
gapped noob
short radish
its too early in the morning to think right now and i'm sure someone will crucify me for it but im sure you could describe what you did in wow and get the AI to format it so a normie would understand it
short radish
gapped noob
🙇♂️
somber sun
True ig but my employer would have to know ball
I mean most wow players are uncs
he prolly knows
fossil forge
Getting a 0 parse lowkey harder than a 100xx
short radish
getting an 0 parse while being alive
fossil forge
Thats what i meant
tight fjord
289.7 so far, gotta go to work, 100 crests from maxing out
smoky goblet
imo it's fine
it prob is, just my OCD going "they dont match!"
hazy breach
It also doesnt really matter, as long as you get a high ilvl mainhand youre good to go
Since daggers have the least amount of stats on any slot
fossil forge
im on a 7 game aram winstreak
The winstreak is over sleeptime…
plush roost
i don't wanna get fucked with them announcing something like old turboboost agai...
crests uncapped now surely u just get them passively
if another turbo randomly happens
youll hvae 1000s
tribal blade
crests uncapped now surely u just get them passively
i was just thinking that!
so true
shell vector
When we say 650 to 700 haste we're talking base line right? no external buffs/consumes?
warm marlin
Getting a 0 parse lowkey harder than a 100xx
true and real
hazy breach
When we say 650 to 700 haste we're talking base line right? no external buffs/co...
After oils and/or flask
shell vector
Good to know thanks
tribal blade
boys i think i'm not gonna have skyfury for the rest of belo prog
so i am coming for that 0% parse
it's gonna happen
nobody can stop me
hazy breach
The enhancement shaman onetrick i often play with keys with has rerolled aug for some reason
So im playing without it a bit now too, its misery
tribal blade
The enhancement shaman onetrick i often play with keys with has rerolled aug for...
nooooooooo
that's mega pain
fossil forge
gapped noob
my best is 1 .. gg
dusky yacht
my best is 1 .. gg
Yo top 1% that’s so sick bro
swift tinsel
@warm marlin you weren't kidding about these t5 ritual sites, they're quite speedy!
swift tinsel
I'm skipping bracer upgrades since they're within margin of my hero socketed ones lol
and myth guidon I don't have yet so that's perpetually pending
pulsar hemlock
Speedy for crests or cores
peak ice
what does tier 5 drop?
swift tinsel
20 hero
pulsar hemlock
And you trade up to myth?
swift tinsel
as sub they're quite fast
you can stealth from boss to boss then nuke final boss
probs 4-6mins per
weak glade
have they fixed adamantie sharpening stone yet?
cunning comet
Should I get the Algeth'ar Puzzle box (myth track) if I ahve Light company and Gaze (hero track)
or just get a voidcore
tame terrace
!guidon
wicked joltBOT
Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
tame terrace
!haste
wicked joltBOT
Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.
wispy crystal
i know the answer is to Sim it,
may I ask if i dont even have the Guldon trinket. Should i just take the heroic one ?
I haven't done mythic raiding, and basically have 0 mythic kills so it might be hard to get into pug groups
cunning comet
i know the answer is to Sim it,
may I ask if i dont even have the Guldon trink...
yes
wispy crystal
yes
if i understand right, Guldon even the heroic version is a big upgrade for the on-use slot correct?
im currently using a Myth track Emberwing Feather
tribal blade
omg i'm so dumb, i crafted a belt when i should have just done bracers with what gear i have in my bags
but it's w/e about crests
just means i wasted gold and time
coral bear
!sheet
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sullen hare
omg i'm so dumb, i crafted a belt when i should have just done bracers with what...
Bracers are alright through the catalyst. I think they're roughly the same statwise as bis list crit/haste
tribal blade
Bracers are alright through the catalyst. I think they're roughly the same statw...
it's more so bracers are the only slot i don't have a myth track item for
and i have the option to use a belt w/ socket that's sitting in my vault right now
sullen hare
Ah yeah that sucks. Off to the m+ bracer mines with your void cores
tribal blade
i'll just craft bracers when i have enough crests
swift tinsel
kinda funny that a socket can make a hero and myth track item basically equal
saves me some crests lol
tribal blade
yeah kinda dumb
swift tinsel
basically chasing 0.4-0.6% upgrades at this point
shrewd lantern
crit mast belt from vault
short radish
guess youre busy that day
tall girder
Wooo fim
somber sun
NO SKYFURY ON CHIM RECLAER
" Why rogue same damage as tank !!! Swap to dk fast pls !! "
short radish
wooooo jontic
short radish
NO SKYFURY ON CHIM RECLAER
honestly may as well play outlaw
warm marlin
wtf!
tribal blade
honestly may as well play outlaw
no skyfury
tribal blade
so add 7% or w/e to that
tribal blade
are half your raid mentally afk?
lol this is how i'm able to get insano parses on dragons
short radish
void orbs live longer than 1second?
tribal blade
YES
somber sun
2-3 orbs left and right after 5 sec 
tame terrace
do whetstones become good if u hit guidon haste value without oils
or the other oil
ripe quail
anyone know if its worth stating like 40 additon haste for a 9 second dance during guidon?
sim doesnt really show
swift tinsel
finally team full myth gear
lilac stag
anyone know if its worth stating like 40 additon haste for a 9 second dance dur...
It’s not. We have the breakpoints for a reason.
ripe quail
thought the breakpoints were for raw stat not proc stat
somber sun
finally team full myth gear
top 1 leaderboard then ?
lilac stag
thought the breakpoints were for raw stat not proc stat
we don’t have haste procs
swift tinsel
it won't let me need roll on vora bracers bc it says I have a better version...I have hero track ones
wait is it bc I have myth pit bracers bc if so that's fucking dumb
short radish
yes
swift tinsel
I hate that
short radish
yes
small sleet
on ds in blades am i still supposed to be getting 2 sectechs in
dusky yacht
I think you need massive amounts of haste for that spec no
lilac stag
void orbs live longer than 1second?
I’m pretty sure his range guildies know tunnel boss and that’s it.
small sleet
i have massive haste
swift tinsel
I will not play deathstalker
small sleet
im enjoying it
swift tinsel
I very much don't
left ledge
if you're not deathstalker on lura
you are TROLLING
the logs confirm it
i fucked up two blades and did that much damage
coral canyon
Is mythic Puzzle Box better than Heroic Light's Company. Sims say yes.
lilac stag
fix your other stats
tribal blade
you are TROLLING
no u
tribal blade
surreal orbit
!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/z9TaMG7k2dyNLxKD/J3haW7n9x8w4gTdr?fight=12%2C37&type=damage-done&source=198%2C诡计多端&by=target got the op to join the crown prog since someone was out, need some help optimizing the fight
tribal blade
Are we box gaming now?
short radish
sure why not
solemn patrol
At 704 haste without banner I can just barely sneak the 2nd sectech in
My stats are pretty decent tho. I thought
left ledge
At 704 haste without banner I can just barely sneak the 2nd sectech in
you cant sneak the second sectec in
at 704 without guidon
small sleet
keep in mind the clones hit .6 and 1.2s after you cast sectech
so you cant cast it just as shadow blades ends
unless im stupid
left ledge
you would need 800 haste to fit it in just barely
left ledge
(without guidon)
solemn patrol
Wasn't sure if it snapshotted
dusky yacht
Shit bro is gonna make me wanna get 1100 haste wtf
left ledge
Shit bro is gonna make me wanna get 1100 haste wtf
please keep in mind
i fucked up two shadowblades
like severely fucked them up
because im sick and wasnt focused
fucked them up as in i literally did not dance again
dusky yacht
Okay but how get haste smh
small sleet
craft shit
left ledge
solemn patrol
I'm practicing getting a pre-dance in on the beloren damage amp
dusky yacht
I guess I need guild to kill crown for the neck at least
charred horizon
how much haste are y'all running right now btw? me at 756 at 286
21%
923 HOLY
WHAT THE
solemn patrol
He's deathstalker ignore him
left ledge
thats deathstalker
dusky yacht
He’s our resident psychopath
short radish
yes he's a gloomblade enthusiast
charred horizon
but is 800 worth it should i push or it?
charred horizon
hard c ap 700
dusky yacht
Apex cancel aura?
left ledge
its not about if worth it, you just cant do your rotation without that breakpoint
left ledge
Apex cancel aura?
yeah
left ledge
so i can explain
short radish
some secrets are not worth knowing
charred horizon
its not about if worth it, you just cant do your rotation without that breakpoin...
understood so i can just sim for 700+ as long as im 700 its good
is that right
wintry heart
I see we got into some extra strength Tylenol in here tonight
solemn patrol
left ledge
if im at 1 stack of mark, with apex procced and sectec on like 3-5 sec cd before going into dance/cds, what ill do is ill cancelaura the apex, use finisher so that i have my sht stacks still and go into dance with an isntant apex finish DN and then sectec the second empowered finisher
tidal solstice
small sleet
im actually having so much fun with deathstalker on lura
left ledge
usually ends up with me being able to get 2 apex'd DN in one dance
minor osprey
solemn patrol
Take the cloak
left ledge
im actually having so much fun with deathstalker on lura
yeah genuinely way more fun than trickster
dusky yacht
if im at 1 stack of mark, with apex procced and sectec on like 3-5 sec cd before...
Jesus fucking christ
short radish
Jesus fucking christ
i warned you
solemn patrol
Or... Play trickster and press 3 buttons 
dusky yacht
i warned you
You did bro and I’m sorry I pushed the button
charred horizon
sorry whats DN
short radish
you could have remained in ignorance
left ledge
deez nights
short radish
and 3 button press trickster rotation
charred horizon
hehe
small sleet
yeah genuinely way more fun than trickster
you dont randomly happen to have a vod or something of you on this fight do you?
dusky yacht
Now I’ll never sleep until I’m deathstalker with a cancel aura macro
left ledge
this was the one day i did not stream
but i think my last vod had it
idk where the example would be
oh wait
you just mean general vod
not the cancel
small sleet
whats your stream
left ledge
sec
small sleet
i just wanted to see how you're playing the fight as ds
left ledge
ill link you kill pull if the vod is uploaded
small sleet
appreciate it
tidal solstice
i like the swirling attack animation of coup de grace. there is only one hero tree for sub to me.
small sleet
rip
left ledge
that is actually so bad wtf
dusky yacht
What’s the macro? Can you dm me it or summin?
Asking for a friend
An autistic friend
dusky yacht
That’s not even so bad
left ledge
and make sure it got darkest night image
left ledge
yeah its not
so i will warn you
Eleem says its not worth doing
but it feels right
and i think feels > sim
tidal solstice
feelycraft
dusky yacht
surreal orbit
any tips for crown as sub
left ledge
hold for 10 sec before popping then essentially just pop on cd i think
the only other thing you're responsible for as melee is baiting obelisk properly
frosty vector
Would you guys say having crown neckless on HC (276) is better then crafted 285 neck?
surreal orbit
the only other thing you're responsible for as melee is baiting obelisk properly
explain? you just mean prepositioning in a way that you can move it to not hit anyone
left ledge
just make sure you're baiting it so that you can aim at the ghosts cross platform without hitting your raid, not sure how to explain that tbh you need to just watch vods and position like they are
yes
in p1 its mostly just
be towards the outside
dusky yacht
I was about to tell him to ascendant voidcore it, 12 hr nightshifts are so wild for your brain
surreal orbit
i got like 30 pulls in tonight
left ledge
then obelisk run through boss to aim it outside
finite hedge
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tidal solstice
left ledge
i would suggest you look at obelisk timer
and do not dance right before obelisk are going out
surreal orbit
yeah i feel like our tank moves are fine enough that its not a big issue we are mostly ranged comp
tidal solstice
doh
left ledge
a lot of time on prog you will just be out of melee doing obelisk
left ledge
yeah i feel like our tank moves are fine enough that its not a big issue we are ...
this just means you will get obelisk more often
one of the melee dps is guaranteed to get obelisk
every time
surreal orbit
10s on pull scares me, im doing a revanish opener and the like 4th global is me going into CDs but I can hold longer to try it out
left ledge
why scare
literally just afk
for 10 sec
the damage you do before then is pretty useless
just evis to get SnD going and build
dusky yacht
surreal orbit
yeah ill try it for a pull
left ledge
its more damage
small sleet
unironically might be worth on crown
left ledge
because the mob will get amps on it
left ledge
yes
if you are doing your prepull
dont evis
although honestly that damage diff is prob
sub 0.5%
on mobs that kinda dont matter much
warm marlin
snd as first finisher was a 0.5% gain or something during the no premed era
certain a gain on a damage amp like that
surreal orbit
so yall are just backstabbing/evis for 10s waiting for debuff stacks and then sending
left ledge
snd as first finisher was gain because you didnt wanna low cp evis
but if you're holding 10 sec
you might as well just evis if you arent doing supercharge prepull
it puts SnD on
surreal orbit
why would we NOT supercharge prepull?
warm marlin
lazy or forgor
surreal orbit
i just reup on rez
short radish
why would we NOT supercharge prepull?
forget sometimes
then still pretend like ive done it anyway
surreal orbit
i meant if there was some legit meta reasoning
dusky yacht
I always forget that shit man I should write a post it and stick it to the top of my screen at this point
warm marlin
i also do it first thing after rezzing so i dont forget
warm marlin
i meant if there was some legit meta reasoning
no its just free damage
short radish
the sectech disorientating strikes persist through death as well right?
surreal orbit
any other general fight tips to maximize on crown?
left ledge
the sectech disorientating strikes persist through death as well right?
wait a sec
i forgot about this
LMAO
dusky yacht
So weird that it’s that much better actually is the difference just increased more by the amp?
short radish
warm marlin
the sectech disorientating strikes persist through death as well right?
yeah but they get overwritten
surreal orbit
i posted a log review but it seems mostly like just better CD timing
warm marlin
its only relevant on crown
left ledge
but yeah you open with sectec so
solemn patrol
I just don't find ds interesting as sub, sin it's fun tho
warm marlin
where it is pretty good to have coup up for blades
left ledge
i mean
DS isnt interesting
its just that trickster is so boring
trickster went from juicer cooldown and disgusting cleave
to alright cooldown and you can cleave more than deathstalker but not more than anything else
chrome palm
to alright cooldown and you can cleave more than deathstalker but not more than ...
Hop in the sub cryosleep container
And lock in outlaw for 4 years until sub is peak again
I tried doing another sub reclear today and it was so painful
hexed scaffold
Alleria was good but other rogues had way more procs than me.
How do I increase these procs exactly? Should I just afk 4s before technique?
ps: we did not have a shaman sadly
warm marlin
Well shaman is a lot more procs
They are deterministic
As long as you aren’t overcapping it’s just playing normally
dusky yacht
im playing DS
!pf and !vibe in off-topic (!pf 和 !vibe 在离题)
Cancel aura apex macro (取消光环顶点宏)
Stalking Laura to Death (跟踪劳拉致死)
Mental Health Address (心理健康地址)
wet pelican
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
runic panther
am I supposed to run haste flask if I can't get to 700 haste with just items/gems?
runic panther
but sim always undervalues haste
lucid jackal
am I supposed to run haste flask if I can't get to 700 haste with just items/gem...
YHes
tribal blade
has anyone done a sim comparing hero alleria neck with myth saladbar
i'm too lazy to cook up a sim
muted birch
My 3rd vault in midnight and its already best to pick currency/socket 🤣
Or I can consider one of the trinkets, mostly that one from delves
sharp seal
come to papa 
drifting ether
Came at good time i actually needed boots, is it crazy i actually want the vers one
willow mantle
!haste
wicked joltBOT
Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.
lilac stag
has anyone done a sim comparing hero alleria neck with myth saladbar
When I ran it lura was only thing beating it.
but I’m early at 684 haste with alleria
tribal blade
When I ran it lura was only thing beating it.
i just ran a sim, seems like myth saladbar is roughly +0.2%
shrewd lantern
hero lura neck is better than myth salad one for me
tribal blade
for me
tribal blade
thing is alleria neck oversims
lilac stag
just proc more
tribal blade
it always sims at doing roughly 0.5%
but i looked at all my reclear kills today
and it was 0.25%
like half
warm marlin
this was unfortunate to watch
wicked urchin
yeah man
neon stump
is it better for me to flask haste if i can only get to 600 haste with guidan trinket ?
wicked urchin
definitely a few people just turbo griefing
tribal blade
What was it on Vora
wheat edge
nimble flurry padder smh
tribal blade
nimble flurry padder smh
i'm SORRY
i decided to try queueing for some IO keys for fun
was sitting in lfg getting frustrated
and was like "wtf am i doing"
now i'm just chilling
silver mural
Is it really worth PuzzleBox over Beloren Plume??? i just dislike so much standing casting the box 😛
silver mural
and really though Plume would give me constant good mastery amount
small sleet
The only way I imagine pe would sim higher is if you’re running a ton of crit
small sleet
Warning signs just feels better to play too imo
tame terrace
hm maybe i should just find a dungeonroute to sim to double check
tribal blade
Warning signs just feels better to play too imo
this yeah
tame terrace
sims just keeps pointing me to execution
shrewd lantern
my sim super liking lura neck
silver mural
Some advice?? I was really trying to get Plume, but now I think best is to get the cloak and use coins in Academy? since i already used 3 in there and Puzzle box havent drop yet, it should be next coin flip
shrewd lantern
gaze is better than plume
silver mural
and puzzle box is soo good?
shrewd lantern
you dont play double on use
or double passive
i mean its fine but worse than guidon
silver mural
Can't even seee imperators trinket like ever, not even in Hc seems to be likely to drop
But farming Imperator i hope to see it at some point
wicked urchin
i mean it should be guaranteed now with bonus rolls no?
tribal blade
i mean it should be guaranteed now with bonus rolls no?
absolutely yes
earnest crane
did they lift the crest cap?
small sleet
yes
vale pine
good morning lovely people, vault time
small sleet
good luck!
coarse raven
hi, there is a data on what is our best sim in ST ?
wicked urchin
absolutely yes
not using rolls on guidon if you dont have it is crazy
tribal blade
not using rolls on guidon if you dont have it is crazy
TRUE
humble rover
Always follow the sim?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dZeTtJ5CpxE49cuyreqPuS
this would put me at 17% 593 haste, and it wants me to use a crit flask
wicked urchin
i cant anymore
tulip light
wicked urchin
this is the least "always follow the sims" tier since ive started raiding
684-700 haste
hollow spear
wdym, I follow the sims and play frost dk :^)
drifting ether
6 bonus rolls into npx finally got the set 🤣
wicked urchin
6 bonus rolls into npx finally got the set 🤣
took me 7 brother
drifting ether
took me 7 brother
7 that is aids
upbeat sorrel
How many weeks does lua prog usually take
hollow spear
Depends on how bad your guild is
tribal blade
How many weeks does lua prog usually take
gonna be significantly lower than anything people have done because of the nerfs
hollow spear
Not sure how impactful the P1 nerfs are
tribal blade
unless the guilds getting to lura soon are just gonna have as many pulls because they're worse 🙂
tribal blade
Not sure how impactful the P1 nerfs are
sounds very impactful
wicked joltBOT
humble rover
ty
small sleet
Always follow the sim?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dZeTtJ5CpxE49cuyr...
it defaults to crit flask, you have to select haste/mastery flask on top gear to also sim those
haste flask will probably sim higher for you
tribal vortex
in bosses where many mobs share hp like seat and MT do we shuriken at 3 targets?
vital ocean
in bosses where many mobs share hp like seat and MT do we shuriken at 3 targets?
any fight
Shuriken on 3 if outside of dance, and shadowstrike if inside of dance
Above 3 targets always shuriken
dusky yacht
Shit. The sims are doing the weird haste thing to me I think.
I got 3 good options in vault, but I think it may be undervalueing at least one because of haste being exactly 700 rn.
gusty wharf
is there a way to check whats left in the loot pool for whatever dungeon you are trying to bonus roll for ?
vale pine
don't think there is a convinient way
you can check which mythic m+ items you have
possibly look at equipped items, inventory and item restore to get a complete list
(would still need to know which items you got from vault)
tribal vortex
shuriken on 2 outside of dance
I thought that maybe in fights like these it could be more dmg to use shuriken
small sleet
Nah shadowstrike hits harder
wicked urchin
Not sure how impactful the P1 nerfs are
crystal nerf is barely noticeable
glaive nerf was big though
definitely more noticeable if you didnt already have 400 pulls on it im sure
we still had crystals in narnia so i wouldnt be surprised if it didn't even make it through to live 
dusky yacht
Shit if I get belt out of vault I'm at 682 haste with no options omegaluls
golden totem
is there a way to check whats left in the loot pool for whatever dungeon you are...
Keystone Loot. Super good add-on to track loot during dungeon farm weeks, esp with bonus loots
vale pine
Keystone Loot. Super good add-on to track loot during dungeon farm weeks, esp wi...
don't think it can track retro-actively, or can it?
grim wasp
wicked urchin
Shit if I get belt out of vault I'm at 682 haste with no options omegaluls
682 is fine tho
dusky yacht
From myth track set legs
I went with this because I prefer having a bit more haste
It feels more comfy
Allows me to recraft dagger to crit/mastery after regem too and end up with ~700 again
I played with 687 for a while and it felt tight af every time
golden totem
don't think it can track retro-actively, or can it?
You can manually check items as bonus loot
random comet
did you know that if you have rupture ticking on dummies and you switched to sub, the ongoing rupture damage adds to exhilirating execution?
vale pine
You can manually check items as bonus loot
you mean manually tell the addon that you bonus rolled x alredy?
random comet
completely useless tech but you're welcome
runic bough
Is the 700 haste with Guidion including all raid buffs, when I sim it tell me its better to have crit mastery gems when I have 600 haste unbuffed is that correct?
random comet
700 total haste incl flask, weapon oils etc
peak ice
you mean manually tell the addon that you bonus rolled x alredy?
You can right click the item and select bonus roll and it’ll put a little dice next to the item
random comet
not 100% sure but at only 600 haste changing gems still won't get you to the breakpoint so
runic bough
700 total haste incl flask, weapon oils etc
Hmm yeah its what I thought
random comet
if sim can't get to 684 it probably doesn't care about the haste under that
runic bough
not 100% sure but at only 600 haste changing gems still won't get you to the bre...
Yeah but I can also swap rings around and it still tells me to get the crit mastery ring
So a little confused
random comet
linky?
runic bough
But should be minimal
vale pine
You can right click the item and select bonus roll and it’ll put a little dice n...
okay, so the addon can't check which item you bonus rolled
unsure if that fits the use case of the user questioning
peak ice
Not retroactively no I don’t think
vale pine
as he wanted to see which items he already got from bonus rolls
not track future rolls
median latch
Yeah but I can also swap rings around and it still tells me to get the crit mast...
wasnt that because the sim just plays gcds completely perfectly and 700 haste accounts for a bit of delay
peak ice
Ah
tribal vortex
as he wanted to see which items he already got from bonus rolls
I saw just now
peak ice
Yea sorry I don’t think it does, could be wrong
tribal vortex
it shows the available pull before using bonus roll
tribal vortex
Yeah i had only Puzzlebox in AA xd
vale pine
but i assume the pool is based on you putting in the already rolled items
or is the pool in default ui?
twin surge
the default ui shows what items can drop
runic bough
wasnt that because the sim just plays gcds completely perfectly and 700 haste ac...
Yeah think so
vale pine
ahh perfect
tribal vortex
no in the default if you hover over the need button
vale pine
no addon needed then
vale pine
can blizz do a discount on race swaps already
some account services seem way to expensive
^^
wicked urchin
some account services seem way to expensive
especially in canadian
no way im spending $35 on a 1k dps upgrade
vale pine
means like 2.5 - 3% dps loss
median latch
means like 2.5 - 3% dps loss
the real reason is because undeads look horrible with leather transmogs
random comet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/op2YX5FRJ4SwCf5HutSeCN
🤷♂️ im gonna need to defer to someone smarter than me
runic bough
🤷♂️ im gonna need to defer to someone smarter than me
Haha no worries I was just curious but makes sense that it will only tell you to switch if you can hit the breakpoint
vale pine
F on salda bar
upbeat cradle
"awful"
keen dome
my logs this season were awful
Those are almost all above average to excellent, ain't awful. Real good job 😄
dusky yacht
To be fair I think it really depends on your guildies what kinda parses you're gonna get on a lot of the bosses, I really don't understand how some top parses get so much DPS on the adds, those things poofed for me almost insta on dragons for example
upbeat cradle
Yeah
If you have boomies and devourers in your guild
Every boss suddenly becomes pure ST fights
wicked urchin
F on salda bar
big orbs never in cleave range and small orbs insta die
and somehow every kill i get every mechanic ever
median latch
chimaerus when you don't get dispelled for 10 seconds
vale pine
unlucky
dusky yacht
I had that too where like every attempt before kill my DPS is insane and then we get kill when I'm unlucky af or messing up lmao
vale pine
chimaerus when you don't get dispelled for 10 seconds
i found chimerus group 2 easier to parse in
keen dome
Imperator where the tank refuses to move the boss near the shielded ads until the last moment and you keep getting the debuff
wicked urchin
im confident i will die on our lura kill
wicked urchin
group 2 is definitely easier
upbeat cradle
i found chimerus group 2 easier to parse in
Be like me, oops i went in the other side three times in a row
wicked urchin
ive been on group 1 the whole tier
upbeat cradle
Total accident mind you
dusky yacht
Yeah I got put into group 1 and it's like man why am I only good for interrupting and ccing adds all of a sudden, but it gets us the kill so okay I guess
wicked urchin
im just a last boss blaster
paper siren
Group 2 is just better
upbeat cradle
Definitely won't redo it this week 👀
wicked urchin
o7
vale pine
Be like me, oops i went in the other side three times in a row
problem is, we lacked damage in the first group
so would risk whiping if i "oopsie"
so i rather tank my parse noticably
and just kill the boss fast
dusky yacht
Yeah
dusky yacht
I think that's the right mentality, people overfixate on parses tbh
upbeat cradle
We're ethical rogues here
wicked urchin
sub parsing feels pretty memey this tier anyway
paper siren
lol
dusky yacht
Like parses is good to see if you can actually do it in the perfect circumstance, to check your rotation and compare yourself
But it's hardly the bible
upbeat cradle
On dragons, our boomkin had twice any other dps' overall
70% of his dps was from orbs
dusky yacht
its just some amount of padding or similar nonesense
I'm convinced a lot of the chinese high parsers (and prolly western ones too lets be real) are just literally agreeing on weekly rotation of parsing for the luls and I don't blame them, it's fun
paper siren
Damn
dusky yacht
Cause their add damage is just silly sometimes
upbeat cradle
I'm convinced a lot of the chinese high parsers (and prolly western ones too let...
They do for sure
dusky yacht
Like unrealistic to me
wicked urchin
I'm convinced a lot of the chinese high parsers (and prolly western ones too let...
this is a fact
paper siren
Same with devour
upbeat cradle
There was a cool video about someone in a mythic guild saying that was the reason they weren't only looking at parses when recruiting because parses can easily be ''cheated''
wicked urchin
they can
vale pine
I'm convinced a lot of the chinese high parsers (and prolly western ones too let...
thats not china exclusive
wicked urchin
to an extent
vale pine
many top guilds basically do that
because they want their players on high allstar ranks
its common practice
dusky yacht
thats not china exclusive
Yeah absolutely but I was just saying I first actively noticed it on the chinese parses because of this one guy's dragon parse where I checked his add damage and I was like did bro solo the adds
wheat edge
moved me to team 1
The key is to go down in both groups
vale pine
dusky yacht
Just be in stealth THEY DONT KNOW
upbeat cradle
It's what i told Fuu to do 😂
wicked urchin
is this a tech haha
wheat edge
Cloak the 2nd and cheat intermission if ur in group 1
upbeat cradle
You technically can with cheat death and CoS
vale pine
secret technique discovered
wicked urchin
im doing it next time
wheat edge
Whispyr is who I saw do it first so I just copied
wicked urchin
group 2 seems cozy though
upbeat cradle
What did you guys think i meant by going to the other side three times lol
Someone here told me to go with the solo tank at the last AoE to pad 👌
dusky yacht
What did you guys think i meant by going to the other side three times lol
I was like damn bro getting high af