subtlety

[plush roost]

The trick is to sim without oils equipped for a better idea

[rare kite]

Oh, never thought of it that way. Will try

[muted birch]

btw to those that have gaze

whats the up time on the agi buff ?

[warm marlin]

like 40-60% but the stack amount is variable

[muted birch]

and how long does it take to have a reasonable ammount of stacks

mhm

im gonna try vessel on m+

[plush roost]

3 min encounter

[muted birch]

or as I dubbed it, poor mans gaze

[warm marlin]

darkest night

[plush roost]

Darkest night

Was rank 1 boss damage without ilvl uppies and r1 potion kekw

Maybe not anymore tho 🥀

[muted birch]

is it worth taking it actually over leech ?

and please for the love of god tell me

how to get dynamic damage

on details

[slate fable]

if dslice is bad for simming sub what do you guys use in place of it? patchwork with multiple boss targets?

[muted birch]

or am I installing wrong one from curse

[plush roost]

Wdym, if ur referring to the 30% vanish heal it darkest night is our other hero talent not the heal

[warm marlin]

i was 30k lower at 90s on fallen king reclear yesterday compared to a pull where we missed a kick and rank 5'd with no hunter buff

[muted birch]

forgot to add

what i meant xD

for pvp i take soothing

[plush roost]

[warm marlin]

i may not have been a yellow guy though

[muted birch]

tho wanted opinion if its worth picking on pve

[shrewd lantern]

ds suck

[muted birch]

k

as for deathstalker

tell me good sir

[plush roost]

[warm marlin]

maybe i change my name to red here for the rp

[muted birch]

you play it only on pure st ?

[plush roost]

Did u see

Fdk on that boss

[shrewd lantern]

you play on st get parried on your dn

[warm marlin]

which one

[shrewd lantern]

wonder why you play this shit

[plush roost]

Saladbar

Just thanos

[muted birch]

oi its not that shit

you just have to play around

[warm marlin]

ye bro (this is boss damage)

its devious

[muted birch]

you cant get parried from behind

xD

[shrewd lantern]

its only good on vorasius

[muted birch]

ah fuck

will go for it anyway

[shrewd lantern]

gl finding 1100 haste

[muted birch]

damn almost every fight has adds

[muted birch]

I have xD

[shrewd lantern]

ok good looks

[muted birch]

its not good

its versa /haste

:<

[plush roost]

Imagine losing to sub rogue (ignore ilvl gap despairge)

[muted birch]

but i do have a lot of haste items

[warm marlin]

my dk is 289

[plush roost]

Wtf

[warm marlin]

just a miserable kill time and no hunter buff

[plush roost]

Bro i cant even get myth boots or cloaks or legs

[warm marlin]

i got the pants from lura

[shrewd lantern]

where is charrote

[charred trench]

How does parsing work exactly, always confused me

[warm marlin]

guaranteed leech

big ups over the hero track ones

[muted birch]

So back to my question, how to get dynamic overall dmg

to show on details

[shrewd lantern]

didnt they remove that

[muted birch]

ah ok

[shrewd lantern]

idk

m+ is for the mentally ill

[plush roost]

I think its a setting in the options tab now

Mines dynamic

[shrewd lantern]

Details is so scuffed

in midnight

barely tells shit

[plush roost]

Ye

Just blizzard damage metees

What can u do

[alpine wraith]

not much they can do

[warm marlin]

its kinda crazy how many top key logs are public now

[alpine wraith]

as they get info from blizz

[warm marlin]

i thought most logged before and just privated

but now most top runs are just public

kinda interesting

[shrewd lantern]

Its a great thing we had our first final boss

without addons right

[plush roost]

Whats there to private when youre playing the most brainless specs on earth as meta

[alpine wraith]

true chimaerus didnt need an addon

we even got hall of fame!

big final boss

[warm marlin]

hey now..

[shrewd lantern]

same twin

[plush roost]

Spinning crane kick spam. Moonfire thrash spam. Graveyard spam. Consume spam. Augmentation evoker spam

[shrewd lantern]

aug is very hard || to stay awake on ||

[alpine wraith]

watching mobs bouncy castle 4 times by aug

[plush roost]

Storm powder spam

[alpine wraith]

never gets old

[plush roost]

Smile

[alpine wraith]

you sometimes cant even hit them as melee

[wicked summit]

Is sub troll on vanguard?

[alpine wraith]

yea but who cares

[warm marlin]

ok i will give maybe hot take

[shrewd lantern]

*rogue

[alpine wraith]

joke boss

[warm marlin]

fdk > outlaw > udk > sub for difficulty to maximize

[plush roost]

Fdk does have some sick minmaxes hard agree

[alpine wraith]

i mean from the clueless people that dm me im beginning to believe maybe sub is not that easy

[warm marlin]

its mostly just proc reactions

[plush roost]

Its basically the only tww spec left

[warm marlin]

shit crazy

i waste like twice as many KM as sim and i think im doing well

[plush roost]

But uhdk idk that shit seems brain off

[alpine wraith]

it just still is complicated just not hard

[muted birch]

wasnt it always like that ?

[warm marlin]

ye kinda i think its just that it doesnt matter too much

[plush roost]

S2 tww had quite a skilled uhdk didnt it?

[warm marlin]

its just batshit op so little mistakes dont matter much

[alpine wraith]

you have had uhdk with gargoyle surrender mode that was quite hard

to min max runic power

but idk how many years ago that was

[warm marlin]

some of the cast timelines in these logs just have them graveyard 6x in a row then strike 6x in a row then graveyard 6x in a row

[muted birch]

how to setup controller in wow ?

[surreal orbit]

imo im more a fan of class design that lets you express skill based on the environment and things happening rather than tracking buffs and resource values

[warm marlin]

like u can do that but idk if thats optimal uk what i mean

[muted birch]

lets test if its gonan work on sub

j/k

i would kill myself

[surreal orbit]

but you can still have an element of that to boost that elite class of player for the final 1-3% extra damage on stuff

[muted birch]

with taht kind of controlls

[plush roost]

I would agree but inherently there just isnt a lot going on in keys to really warrant that gameplay, even this raid is w.e

[muted birch]

I watched RWF

[warm marlin]

I really wish I had gotten to do seed on lura

[muted birch]

that was i think the shortest one

watched up to alleria

[plush roost]

Race didnt start till march on qd

[surreal orbit]

if youre not pushing content that is pass or fail based on doing as much damage as possible its going to feel like that

[plush roost]

As usual

[surreal orbit]

havign mechanical checks will always make things feel easier once you have the muscle memory in place

[muted birch]

pushin damage/content is one thing

but 1st to get the basics down

[small sleet]

Charrend is a noob who knows nothing about high level content tbh

[muted birch]

or have 100% proper rotation

then we can push, yet we see people pushing without that knowledge

i had 3.5k rio people in my key

[plush roost]

Truth i lost to reldo of all people on the meters to time a key

🥀

[muted birch]

my god forbid academy

it was a simple 12

imagine that it was depleto

[surreal orbit]

higher ilvl gives more room for error, majority of players in mmos are doing content in only the way that has worked before, not that they understand why it works

[warm marlin]

did u watch the hp kill yesterday

[small sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-booty-shake-glorp-throwing-it-back-glorp-twerk-gif-15728514058189514652

[warm marlin]

[plush roost]

Frosty

[muted birch]

i hate demonhunters

[plush roost]

Holy

Battle scarred vet

[shrewd lantern]

i mean sub is “harder” relatively speaking

when you have specs like ret existing

[muted birch]

sub is easy on paper

[warm marlin]

one man left standing against the wind chime..

[plush roost]

Cinematic climax for method

I mean

Hp

[warm marlin]

[left ledge]

guys lets stop the cope

[alpine wraith]

why does hewlett packard have a wow guild

[shrewd lantern]

bruh im racing to pad first matrix set

[muted birch]

but the playstyle

[shrewd lantern]

on windchime

[left ledge]

this spec has been lobotomized

[shrewd lantern]

i get 2 globals when they spawn

before 90% die

[muted birch]

what

[left ledge]

the only hard part about sub is what the TCs are doing to find out what stats we run

[plush roost]

I just evis

[shrewd lantern]

i sectecy

[left ledge]

playing this spec is actually bad for your brain because of how stale the rotation is

[plush roost]

Didnt wanna steal sherwins funnel

[shrewd lantern]

if rng was good we get coup

[left ledge]

literal 2 button spec

[muted birch]

thats actually kinda sad

[left ledge]

we about as complex as bm hunter

wait no

bm is prob harder than sub rn

they have 3 buttons

[warm marlin]

idk bruv hammer of light looking a bit hard

[small sleet]

Sub is the hardest spec in the game right now

[remote blaze]

As boring and dumbed down as it is, the secret technique button just hits different

[shrewd lantern]

different as in its the only button that feels impactful

[muted birch]

dont know about bm hunter

[left ledge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/son-im-crine-aaFz1Arg0h5cOwAu2w

[muted birch]

but I yet have to see a paladin

[plush roost]

I miss beta sub...

[muted birch]

that loses rotation

[plush roost]

Strike for 200k

[muted birch]

and tops anyway

[plush roost]

Evis for 24k

Truely peak

[warm marlin]

tfw my strike clone hits for 5x the damage of my secret technique

[muted birch]

how was sub

at the end of tww ?

[plush roost]

Peak

[left ledge]

it was ok

[small sleet]

Fun

[muted birch]

i stoped before dimensius went down

[warm marlin]

dont even joke son

[left ledge]

double coup saved the spec

[warm marlin]

tww3 was great

[latent remnant]

I was still leveling during pre-patch I got 0 clue how it used to be

[muted birch]

guess i missed a lot

[warm marlin]

tww2 better

double coup cringe

[muted birch]

in tww2 i played

ye

goin around the bug

[left ledge]

i dont even remember our s2 tww tier

so idk

[muted birch]

it was this roll

system

[warm marlin]

gamba streak

[muted birch]

gambling

[left ledge]

oooh right i know why i didnt remember s2

i was banned

and was playing sod

[warm marlin]

[muted birch]

anyone played fellowship ?

[astral axle]

I just liked to hear "swish-swish-swoosh" x 2

[muted birch]

or is it dead already ?

[warm marlin]

my goat rupture spamming to not lose my tier stacks going into blades...

[left ledge]

that was the tier where our bis trinket was a 1% upgrade over the stupid ass "jump 3 times" trinket

myth off the slot machine boss

oab

[muted birch]

i didnt get the trinket

[left ledge]

was 1% upgrade

[muted birch]

from that fuckin slot machine

[left ledge]

over last tier trinket

[muted birch]

...

[left ledge]

NICE

good tier

[muted birch]

and went tww3

[left ledge]

glad i got banned during that

[warm marlin]

I didnt have transmitter

[muted birch]

with transmitter

[warm marlin]

I played pvp badge all of prog

[muted birch]

from hc

[left ledge]

no wonder i forgot about it

[warm marlin]

never dropped hoc

[left ledge]

i press transmitter

and my orb

[astral axle]

transmitter

[left ledge]

goes through the wall!

it goes out of the arena!

it falls off the map!

[muted birch]

I remember back in DF

[left ledge]

amazing gameplay

[muted birch]

i used this fire ring from 1st boss on myth

up till s3

[warm marlin]

tww2 tier with tww3 raid and trinkets

[muted birch]

the raid was fun

played a bit normal

[ripe flame]

18 stack prism into last add spawn in gally

[muted birch]

and stopped, no guild to play

[ripe flame]

[muted birch]

no point in playing

nothing to push me to do better

[shrewd lantern]

finding new guilds isnt giga difficult

[warm marlin]

tww3 tierset was much higher variance btw

fk tww3 tier

[shrewd lantern]

unless you got a weird schedule

[muted birch]

tho I feel like I missed 3 or 4 expansions

[warm marlin]

idk why ts made it into the hero tree as a perma talent

disgusting

[muted birch]

im stuck on Burning Legion

[shrewd lantern]

double ub?

ye its cringe

[muted birch]

and had no logs from s3

[warm marlin]

yeah the 2p from tww3

[muted birch]

to follow up any claims

[small sleet]

I think it’s kinda insane we still have no way to know when ub is available

[shrewd lantern]

its pretty cringe

[small sleet]

Matters a lot less now that shuriken storm applies it

[shrewd lantern]

it just happens

vibr coding

style

[small sleet]

But like, it’s kinda crazy they never made that change

[warm marlin]

Like its not that bad given how weak coup is compared to tww3 4p

but the rng of proccing into a second set of coups in cds

was like +30-40% burst

[shrewd lantern]

you know how bad it feels

sending dry coup

with st on 18s left

since you got infinite resets

[small sleet]

pull boss
only reach 3 ub procs after sectech
intentionally wipe the raid

Actual dimensius prog flowchart for me

[shrewd lantern]

i mean my damage on windchime opener

[warm marlin]

noob didnt predisorient

[shrewd lantern]

depends entirely if i got to use coup as my second finisher

on spawn

[small sleet]

Pre disorienting strikes every single raid pull blessed

[ripe flame]

Noob didn't spend 20 secs going to the tp secteching the adds in the docks and walking back

[shrewd lantern]

man i did ts

[warm marlin]

I knew every critter spawn in mfo and lou

[shrewd lantern]

barely matters now

[warm marlin]

me hunting down the little stinkbugs under the stairs in entrance to lou

[ripe flame]

doing pest control for extra dmg

[fossil forge]

they dont know about the evil boat tech

noobs

[warm marlin]

tbf i didnt learn about this until we had stopped farm

i am the noob

[fossil forge]

gg

grouch leaked the tech early

[warm marlin]

i just did it before dying on dimmy

[fossil forge]

same usually

[warm marlin]

cheat to wipe mechanic -> cloak and play for sectec cdr with evasion

[fossil forge]

but i was fisting boaters perma

[spiral pewter]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[foggy estuary]

Just got 3.4 as well bros lfggggoooo🍆💦

After bricking 6 runs finallyyy

[west tide]

chat i went 45 pulls in lura prog yesterday 0 glavie hits no filter

[hallow mortar]

Are you carying Crystal too?

[chilly dagger]

If im upgrading a HC Trinket with the turboboost, can I save mythic crests? E.g. upgrading a 276 to 285 -> then using a myth trinket to uprade it for free to 5/6?

[warm marlin]

yes, but trinkets need both slots at that ilvl to get discount

[chilly dagger]

jeah I have one 289 gaze

and a 279 puzzle

so with farming 5 voids I could upgrade my 276 puzzle to 285 and then upgrade my myth puzzle on wednesday with way less mythic crests?

[fallow nimbus]

Yes

[warm marlin]

Yep

[steel gull]

on the last boss of skyreach, can we get droped off by the bird and survive? i tried spamming shadowstep but i didn't make it. is it skill issue or is there something to know?

[vale pine]

you can't step if you are off the platform

[fallow nimbus]

Kidney it if your team can't kill it before stun wears of then i don't know how you even reached endboss

[void ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[vale pine]

some people mentioned vanish to work, but i don't know the exact timing for it

[muted birch]

The moment it moves towards

On 5 tries 2 were executed flawlesly

The moment they are within i think 6yd is the moment you got grabbed and its to late

[foggy estuary]

Im 99% certain you need to vanish then strike to tp behind boss (vanish mid air and press sstrike also mid air)

[muted birch]

On 5 runs only 2 times i got it

[west tide]

no!

[muted birch]

Well i did actually just that

You can always Vanish shadowstep

But tbh

[surreal orbit]

click for peak

[muted birch]

Its just easier to Nuke IT dowb

Nice

[vale pine]

vanish-strike during pickup?

i would like it to work as smooth/easy as on gargoyls

in pit

[muted birch]

Birds are faster

Than gargs

[hazy breach]

You can you just need to be very very fast

And you can use vanish for the fire beam (need to use it after you are targeted but before its started)

[dusky yacht]

You can kidney it and cheapshot it in dance yourself the moment it spawns to keep it locked next to boss

[wheat edge]

yeah I mean you have a 8 second kidney for every bird

[vast dust]

I’ve pulled off vanish strike before being picked up but never pulled off shadowstep once dropped off ledge

[dusky yacht]

Honestly people underestimate the value of kidney, they're all so worried about dps lmao

[vast dust]

The few times I’ve been dropped

[vast dust]

Used to be far more widely used back in the day than I see nowadays in general

[dusky yacht]

I've basically solo carried myth chim kills just by completely locking my side's fear casters down by myself

[foggy estuary]

No no drop off, not pickup

[vale pine]

ohh

hmm

[vast dust]

It’s worked for me on pickup

[vale pine]

sounds hard to do

[vast dust]

Timing needs to be perfect though

Only a few times it’s worked but I always try

[foggy estuary]

Ooo i need to test this then 👀

[vast dust]

I keep wanting it to work more than it does but might as well always try.

[void ocean]

tfw u cant convert hero to myth dawncrests cause u still have myth 1/6 cloak... smh my head

[surreal orbit]

you guys puzzy box pre pull or na

[void ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[surreal orbit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/scuba-dive-1--k01KRP85RRF1V3NYV7YGZDB6J47

[crystal bone]

puzzy box currently rotting in my bag

[sullen hare]

me and the boys aren't down with puzzy b

[crystal bone]

except for the one time i used it, sin on pally prog

back in the bag after that

[surreal orbit]

i only have hero ember and it sims worse

[crystal bone]

guidon was a game changer

makes the spec flow better

should be the spec by default honestly

[surreal orbit]

all my loot luck spent on mythic gaze

[placid pivot]

Are npx rings good for sub

I’m about to slam rerolls on them

[sullen hare]

yeah npx ringset is viable

[placid pivot]

Yea cuz no way im getting myth eye of midnight

[desert oasis]

I honeslty dont even have cheapshot on my action bar lol

[sullen hare]

never say never!

[placid pivot]

Until later at least

[sullen hare]

but yeah getting that ring set is definitely a fine thing to do especially since rolls are as plentiful as they are

I'm running PSB/Bifurcation personally

[chilly tree]

for our opener is it ss>guidon>blades>dance>St? or hold guidon for another point?

[vivid spindle]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[vivid spindle]

should be right. but i was told to use guidon and w8 1sec, for haste to apply. Before going into blades

[chilly tree]

why blades? Dance is the one affected by haste

[vivid spindle]

ye well we do Blades, dance, st all at once

so i do Guidon SS kind of at the same time. w8 for 1sec and go for Shadow>Dance>ST macro

[vast dust]

It’s like the forgotten skill. I still love the sound.

[placid pivot]

Shit if I can balance my stats and still get npx rings cantrip that would be op

[muted birch]

I have kidney/cheap under same bind

currently sitting at 1057 haste without thallasian oil/flask/food

but I barely have any crit 😅

[shrewd lantern]

i have cheap on my stealthbar

pretend this spec still has buttons

[muted birch]

same

well if you go pvp

you can get 3 extra skills

xD

[shrewd lantern]

kidney is on overall bars

well pvp you also can run shiv

84% slow is very funny

[foggy estuary]

Shiv actually good in AA

Who tested Dark brew btw? Did it perfomr good and What wre we dropping for it?

[muted birch]

not worth it

[steady osprey]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[steady osprey]

Is the 1100 haste cutoff for deathstalker with or without Guidon?

[shrewd lantern]

without

[quaint lodge]

Is that actually true

[shrewd lantern]

whole point is st cdr

why would you only want it during sb

[quaint lodge]

I have zero clue, I've never played DS

But why would the pin speecify the difference in trickster

but not DS

[latent remnant]

I'm guessing you just run guidon regardless if you have it

[quaint lodge]

Well you run guidon either way

But idk if the haste breakpoints change w/o guidon cuz of DS

[shrewd lantern]

DS kind of stinky

[quaint lodge]

@chrome palm told me that somebody was gonna go crazy on it this week and show us nonbelievers

@chrome palm r we ds players now

if i ping him one more time i think i'll summon him

[shrewd lantern]

every boss is a pad boss

if you put your mind to it

[bold crescent]

thats how I play lol

and the occasional mechanic

[chrome palm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?boss=3183&metric=bossdps&class=Rogue&spec=Subtlety

284 he is doing the same boss damage as 290

[quaint lodge]

wait holy its a DS log rank 3

[chrome palm]

sample size 2

[hazy breach]

With, haven't really looked much into without. As 1.1k is very hard to achieve anyway it's kinda expected that you'll be fairly geared

Its better than any other trinket either way

[shrewd lantern]

couping matrix spawns

is my only dopamine hit

on this sleeper windchime

[vale osprey]

(boss damage)

[quaint lodge]

boss damage is the only thign that matters ont hat fight

[vale osprey]

Is it though?

[spice matrix]

Crystals gotta die

[azure thicket]

quick question do we need 800 haste if we're using puzzle box?

sim is preferring it in dslice over hero 285 guidon

[quaint lodge]

if ur guild is struggling on crystal ddamage

its time to find a new guild

[quaint lodge]

sim will probably prefer puzzle box in most dslice sims

[azure thicket]

ye haven't simmed sub since the cloud cover changes

that makes sense thanks

[shrewd lantern]

i mean atp lura isnt a dps check

its a mechanics one

[quaint lodge]

theres no mechanics if u one shot the boss

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[fallow nimbus]

If most of your raid dies in p4 when you need to move then it's a dps check

[shrewd lantern]

my favorite reasoning for standing on crystal people during glaives

”if he dies we all die anyway”

[timid rose]

I was looking at a reddit thread about warlocks and randomly pulling out of combat mobs while in M+, and some lock said "this has to do with sub rogues" because it only happens when they're in my group, yet my group had the same issue when I was not even playing rogue. Is this dude just smoking something?

[surreal orbit]

could be warlock pets and shadow dance having some weird interaction since dance drops threat right and lock pets are known to tweak tf out and hit random shit ?

[prime mortar]

Evening.

Can somebody tell me what's going on with sims?
I've ran a droptimizer yesterday :
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sVt7TR7eaP28eoSxVMZg3Q

Ran it today after getting ring from NPX :
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6TkcoUeBkTfaB54cwbfpuX

[surreal orbit]

you used raid buffs on one and not the other

[prime mortar]

FUCK

I just saw it.

Nevermind i'm stupid

[hallow mortar]

parsing on chimerus is really cursed as time go

[shell hollow]

Just gotta get cheeky with add pad

[hallow mortar]

not possible with guild

[somber sun]

what group are you in ?

[hallow mortar]

but as soon as i find "good enough" pug i ranked #2

1k from 1# sadge

[shell hollow]

Managed a 99 going down 2nd here lol

Whats your guild doin that makes it bad?

[hallow mortar]

they kill adds too fast

and than the way we drag small adds, i can never touch them as melee

[shell hollow]

Ahhh that blows. I cheat a lil depending on if cds are up lol

[vale osprey]

Wait who's wowtoxic in the mdi? Is that Zac?

[hallow mortar]

its fine i have my parse now, i dont care about that boss anymore

no wowtoxic is wowtoxic

they play this psych comp for many mdis now

[vale osprey]

Didn't know, thanks!

[earnest crane]

done my 18s and start getting decliened in 19s

[winter parcel]

Trying to do 10’s right now is just as bad unless you’re overgeared. Too many people farming

[upbeat cradle]

whoever told me to go in the other phase with the solo tank at the end of chimaerus was a genius

it works

😂

last week

[surreal orbit]

the EPP are going to lock you up

[upbeat cradle]

EPP ?

[wild vine]

this is rogue discord

certainly erected p* police

[surreal orbit]

ethical parse police

[upbeat cradle]

i need some way to ***k the devourers in my guild and make them think i'm useful

[idle echo]

how do we sstep from bird at last boss in skyreach?

is there anything special about it? tried 3 times and failed

[lone wasp]

also trying to do 19s

[west tide]

start ya own key

[meager bloom]

start your own keys (every 3k player in existence)

[lilac stag]

he doesn’t know.

[kind edge]

join as outlaw then change spec before key

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[radiant swift]

i wonder what are these people exactly watching

u dont get any invites as sin but as soon as u switch to sub

theres 0 chance they have a clue about specs no?

[versed fiber]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wild vine]

well sub and sin just have a different profile

after the latest changes, there isnt much of a difference

prio damage is kinda overrepresented tho

while ST is always valuable

[radiant swift]

idk after running as both i still feel better as sin - good dmg on both but that one prio mob just dies so much faster

and u have nice constant aoe dmg

[wild vine]

yeah but all the meta classes have prio damage and on high keys there are frequent pulls where the prio target dies decently before the others if you have multiple prio classes

[radiant swift]

do they? because when i play as sub those live forever

[blazing iron]

half the time the prio mobs die in my 18s before half my DM is over

[wild vine]

its kinda about multiple samples and not just exclusive runs

[blazing iron]

if you have like a ret and other prio class in your group its cooked and feels bad

[radiant swift]

duh

[radiant swift]

yeah i think its a key gap - i let keys fall off and now stuck with the general population

its hard

[shrewd lantern]

most people just repeat what a streamer says

and dont understand it

[radiant swift]

hows boss damage on sin

i am geared for sub but sin boss dmg seemed a bit low compared

[wild vine]

its fine

definitely lower than sub

[west tide]

im lower than that

[radiant swift]

i knew it! but honestly not even that much lower

[wild vine]

kinda depends on the length

and when you had your first set of cds

execute cds can really carry sin st

[blazing iron]

sub def is better ST than sin in m+ build, plus alot of fights the burst fits significantly better

like seat last boss

or algethar birb you can get all your damage off in the dmg amp

[sharp bolt]

Questions. I've seen people post inconsistent minimum haste requirements for ST vs AOE. I currently have roughly 700 for both gear/specs. I know its a good idea to overlap to account for mistakes, but what is the actual minimum requirements for both? is it the same?

[lilac stag]

There is no difference. The pins and the #subtlety-faq and !stats are all consistent.

Stop listening to warlocks in here.

[sharp bolt]

right thats what I see as well. rando's messin with me

[lilac stag]

If someone changes, it’ll all get updated.

[earnest crane]

i have score on both sin and sub on 18s and i feel Sub alot better in pugs

[lilac stag]

286 alts who are bored of playing their real class are clueless

and are very good about spouting info out

That is wrong

[wild vine]

but the chinese mastery stack...!

[shrewd lantern]

people spend more time hyperfixating stats

instead of just playing more

and getting better that way

[lilac stag]

If you want to run 196 haste for one extra gcd in dance to attempt to be an aoe ape be my guest.

Square peg round hole but have fun.

[earnest crane]

this is the first pull of sky in 18s and the my most dmg is to the big bird and ppl say sub doesnt have prio dmg

[shrewd lantern]

playing with pad specs

"why am i doing more st"

[lilac stag]

[earnest crane]

😄

warlocks have no idea

imposter warlocks

[lilac stag]

That enhance was probably happier to get into a key than the rogue was.

[earnest crane]

that was my own key 😄

[shrewd lantern]

if i wanted to do real key levels

i'd finish leveling bussygripper

[timid rose]

I swapped off enhance to sub... My group got all sad because they lost sky fury

[shrewd lantern]

play rogue and actually have to think

or afk ignore every mechanic

and spam graveyard

HMMMMM

[radiant swift]

i agree - noticed alot of diffrence if i can start the fight with cds or not - both on sin and sub

[lilac stag]

redrogue 250 ilvl 📈

[somber sun]

is it just better to go for 7cps finishers out of dance windows ?

tend to go for 6cps evisc from time to time

[unreal barn]

I've been playing 3 weeks without my second Embelish, does that have a big impact?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8VBdW33rxbPBiWQUwS4ACb

[lilac stag]

It’s a dps loss. You can sim the difference.

[unreal barn]

I've noticed that now I'm missing the arcane embeish

[lilac stag]

Well you can fix only have one embellishment.

[unreal barn]

i can't, "Top Gear requires at least two combinations. Make sure to select some additional items, enhancements, or talents"

[lilac stag]

you can’t what?

[unreal barn]

i try to sim it like this

[lilac stag]

You have an embelishbussy on your belt and your oh.

[unreal barn]

Oh yeaaa my weapon, nvm i'm so dumb

[desert oasis]

What’s the macro? 👀

[white nova]

^^^^

[earnest crane]

Finally joined the +19 club 😄

[muted birch]

now whwere is my newly made friend that said something abvout my ui not being centered

which i had to fix xD

should look way baetter now

[earnest crane]

still not in center

why is it too small?

i mean the UI dont get me wrong

[alpine wraith]

damn the double burn

[muted birch]

its small coz its alt

which i mostly use

for those kind of things

before i implement them to mine own x

but ye i also noticed that its unnaturaly small

and it should be centered

i used the grid\

[earnest crane]

ur keybinds are not centered

[muted birch]

ah those are hidden

anyways

[earnest crane]

hard to find center of small things

nvm

[muted birch]

but its not centered

you actually got eye for that

i just noticed its still a lil bit too the right\

[upper rock]

what we sim for aoe?

dungeonslice?

[muted birch]

yes

[earnest crane]

depends on the fight

[muted birch]

well he did specify aoe

[earnest crane]

raid AOE or Dung aoe

[muted birch]

but yeah

[earnest crane]

isnt it diffrent ?

[muted birch]

you got that right

and ofcourse it is

tho i dont know if we spec differently

[upper rock]

dung aoe 😄

[earnest crane]

no but u can sim diffrently

😄

[muted birch]

btw do you think symbols of death will make a comeback ?

[earnest crane]

i dont like that and i hope not

i just want flagg back

or smt for funnel

[limber folio]

ok so i logged on and was expecting a deplete, and honestly this key went pretty well

did overpull tho but dont matter

[earnest crane]

ppl are so overgeared i guess cuz 18s was so hard last week

[limber folio]

real

i mean

i noted "hall of fame gamer, you need me"

[alpine wraith]

rogue is going crazy eh

believe

[desert oasis]

Soooooo anyone have a list of when sin is better than sub for dungeons? Running Pit and unsure which to go

[alpine wraith]

sin is better when you like to die

getting extra seconds adds to the challenge

also makes planning cooldowns harder to add to the challenge

[fallow nimbus]

It's never good to sin

[desert oasis]

Idk bro is just alotta extra BS for no good reason I feel haha.

[weak glade]

Sub for me is always more fun lol

[muted birch]

dont we all sin all the time ?

[solemn patrol]

has anyone else noticed an issue with vanishing, the game uses backstab instead of shadowstrike occasionally?

or is that tied into the 0.2 seconds Shadowstrike bug?

[manic island]

are the raid trinkets so much better that i should voidshard them vs mythic puzzle/prism?

at hero*

[solemn patrol]

banner and gaze are pretty massive

only thing that outdpses a heroic gaze is a mythic gaze

[manic island]

what about puzzle vs guidon

[solemn patrol]

i meant guidon not banner

[subtle aspen]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[solemn patrol]

guidon can be overcome with enough haste but its still BiS

[old lynx]

Do all the top m+ use a mouseover kick macro or something else? Plater be flyin all over the place, when shit is poppin off its a pain in the ass to try and hover the mouse. Im getting into 16s

[solemn patrol]

puzzlebox can be ok but its worse outside specific fights

[manic island]

so the consensus would be to upgrade the hc ones

[solemn patrol]

sim it

[shell hollow]

mouseover focus macro on pull and focus kick macro here

[solemn patrol]

dont just take my word

[manic island]

ngl its pretty annoying they took out the other way of gettign raid trinkets

[solemn patrol]

i use an addon to make shift click focus then focus kick

[vale pine]

its easy to do the first mythic boss even in pugs

[old lynx]

So can someone explain this like a 3 year old. A focus macro focuses on what exactly. When an enemy is "focusing" while casting?

[solemn patrol]

it makes a certain target a secondary target frame

that you make focus macros to cast on them

IE as you walk up to a pack pick the caster you want and focus target it so you can kick without switching

itll make a small frame for them on your hud that shows casts etc

[old lynx]

i only know how to make the tank a focus for tricks, how do i make an enemy my focus target? Noob questions i know

[shell hollow]

blizz gives you one focus target slot that you can macro in @focus to use an ability on without target swapping, and you can set an npc to that focus slot

[solemn patrol]

you can make a macro /focustarget I believe

and keybind it or use an addon

[shell hollow]

/clearfocus
/focus [@mouseover,exists,nodead]

here is mine

hover over an enemy healthbar and press the macro

instead of using a tricks focus macro, use tank md addon, itll free up your focus for focus kicks

[solemn patrol]

the addon i use is called Shiftfocus

[shell hollow]

yeah shiftclicking seems nice tbh

[solemn patrol]

makes your shift click automatically focus target

i think you can even make it mark a target as well and be like "my focus target is X" etc so your team knows thats your kick

[shell hollow]

im unsure, i was messing around with mine and i believe to mark you have to have the npc actually targeted

[latent remnant]

focus target star because yellow is rogue colour

[solemn patrol]

star cuz im a star

[shell hollow]

/clearfocus
/focus [@mouseover,exists,nodead] [exists]
/target [@focus]
/tm 7

if you want to mark a mob, change the 7 for whatever mark you want

/run SendChatMessage ("Interrupting {rt7} as my focus interrupt this key","PARTY", nil, nil);

if you want to announce your focus mark at the start

[old lynx]

holy shit thanks this helps a ton

[shell hollow]

fr look into tank md

follow the instructions on the addon page to macro the right button for tricks

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click TankMDButton1

its this but yknow

[hazy breach]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[hazy breach]

For a link to it

[stray oyster]

On mythic crown how long do yall wait till popping cool downs

[weary tree]

Its like 10 sec. Just look at lorrgs

[stray oyster]

I do

Did

[half loom]

There any value in keys in just spending majority on evis to nuke prio mini boss? Or I should jus generate with Shadow strike and still spend on bp

[weary tree]

depends on the pack. Generally BP is better unless theres 1 massive mob and a lot of tiny useless ones

[fossil forge]

Much rather look around at how many poops die under mob

[half loom]

Just did a 18 that we missed by 15 seconds and I played majority of the key blasting the prio targets with mostly evis but if I'd spammed aoe maybe we timed

[fossil forge]

Sometimes 10sec sometimes 5

[half loom]

I'm talking like, first flower on first pull aa. Big birds before bird boss. Big worms, echoknights

[weary tree]

Like AA pull just full BP it

if you dont then idk why

On the boss however

You can evis

[half loom]

DPS were udk and aug so I think udk benefits from the mobs being alive longer to funnel?

[weary tree]

since the tiny adds dont do anything

Cant rely on the udk to do everything

You do a decent amount of AOE too

[half loom]

Yea on the battleaxe packs I was doing equal with him where I was just sending bp

[weary tree]

Its probably better to just start off full AOE and once mobs are getting lower you can see if theres 1 massive hp one left and just prio that

Not start prio and end up missing dps

[half loom]

Main is feral which has 0 funnel really so didn't worry about it much before playing rogue where our st is nuts

Ahh yeah makes sense

[weary tree]

Just dont sacrifice too much dmg thinking others benefit more

[half loom]

I think we just lost time in the key somewhere because we cleared first part pretty quick done with first boss by 5.30

Well it's a pre not pugs if it makes difference

[weary tree]

If youre pushing together and this is where you stuck

Just try both

[muted birch]

have you ever felt sleepy af

[weary tree]

And see what's better

[muted birch]

while doing hard aoe rotation ?

i almost did just now

[half loom]

Yeah think we have another 18aa we gonna run back so il try it

[weary tree]

thats why you gotta have subway surfers on your second screen on

[muted birch]

i need to start using 2nd screen

in all honesty

i really felt asleep almost xD

and run straight in to boss

[subtle aspen]

this 800 hast cap is with 0.4 delay?

[muted birch]

yes

btw

poormans gaze

is actually not half bad

as long as you pay attention

78% uptime

but couldnt get more at the same time than 3 - 4 stacks

[late dock]

Hey guys, can someone have a look at my SIM https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ifhbjUAkyUuQc5BYPEUSUS ? I am a little confused since I thought I need to run more haste but it is suggesting to run crit + mastery runes

[tribal vortex]

you need 684-700 haste

then mast crit

[remote blaze]

!prekey

[late dock]

thats 684-700 after applying oils or included?

[drifting ether]

I been waiting for obelisk to keep it consistent

[west tide]

yes

700 with oils etc

[tribal vortex]

Sims will stop at around 600-650 so you have to bump that number up a bit

[late dock]

so I am sitting at 685 haste now with full haste gems and weapon oils, that's not enough?

[shell hollow]

i believe 685 is enough if you play well

[late dock]

playing well means making sure there is a secondd sectec inside the shadow blade window, right?

[solemn patrol]

or be a gigachad and run 200 haste

like that russian guy

[tribal vortex]

2 GCd extra in dance

684 is enough

[subtle aspen]

!Macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[shell hollow]

nah it means making sure you press your buttons quick enough to fit all the gcds inside your dances

the less haste you have, the lower your margin for timing errors

[west tide]

dude ive never used the combined coup andblack powder button

thats just crazy talk

[hollow raptor]

its a good macro

[edgy imp]

is 770 haste enough for puzzlebox ?

[hollow raptor]

does haste even matter for buzzlepox

[solemn patrol]

technically you want 800ish if you arent using guidon

[late dock]

Alright, thanks guys. Last dump questions, how many GCd should fit in one shadow dance? I cannot find any information on that in the discord guide and wowhead...

[solemn patrol]

63

[edgy imp]

is 770 800ish

[solemn patrol]

thats a question for someone who can count past 5

[hazy breach]

8 usually, 9 with guidon

Can check wowanalyzer for that part specifically

Even though not all of the info on there is useful. The global tracker in dance definitely is

[late dock]

thanks for the help people!

[graceful rock]

Is there an easy way to do this outside of looking at cast times after dance?

In wcl

[west tide]

i need a weakaura that does KACHING everytime i hit 8 globals in dancr

[muted birch]

yay

achived plan minimum for this season

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[plush roost]

lil 1.7m eviscerate

We love DS

[graceful rock]

Do I switch to DS for the last 1 night (plz not 2) of lura prog

[glacial cloak]

yo yo, whats everyone's valeera setup for delves?

[serene notch]

Just not tank, she kinda a poopy tank

[gilded thistle]

i like to run the % agi buff cuz I'm a collector

i be grabbin them curiosities

[peak ice]

The dagger and the book

Blade tip and mandate of death

[glacial cloak]

u got her on heals or dps?

[peak ice]

Heals

[glacial cloak]

ive only ever used her on heals but i feel like i can get away with her dps and run through the delves faster

[peak ice]

You get chunked by some of the like, elites

And then have to stop and heal

[timid rose]

Healer with me as trickster making her tank

[glacial cloak]

trying her on dps rn and its actually pretty solid

she still tanks but does a fuck load of dps

[meager nymph]

Valeera seems to do a lot of damage as either healer or dps tbh

she's kind of op

[jade oasis]

how do you even get to 1100 haste

[fossil forge]

@plush roost

[void ocean]

sea turtles

[fossil forge]

R u eviscing in 19-20on sub

i need th.. tech i am stuck in key limbo

[plush roost]

Ask @small sleet

Smile

(Yes)

When it makes sense

[plucky moon]

Guys, do we want to have 700 haste flat with oils and flask or widout?

[peak ice]

With

[fallow nimbus]

700 flat with everything

[peak ice]

Doesn’t have to be flat too

Just like

Around 700

[plucky moon]

K so i can be less that 700 and make it up with flask and oil

[fossil forge]

wym make sense

[plucky moon]

Nice

[fossil forge]

like pack dead only small useless fks alive

[peak ice]

Yea if you got like 670 you can maybe like 36 up from oils I think

[fossil forge]

i feel like pressing evis in cds is not it

[peak ice]

What else you gonna press

[fossil forge]

well in 20mobs i might just press bp

[peak ice]

Yeah

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/5head-johnqt-valorant-gif-17142608097753744835

[peak ice]

But the damage from bp goes down as you reduce mobs

So at like 2 it’s better to just evis

[empty pollen]

dumb question from someone who doesnt know all the abbreviations, what is bp?

[peak ice]

Black powder

[graceful osprey]

Blood pressure

[empty pollen]

i was just gonna say, i take it back 😂

[serene notch]

Are you guys BPing or evis on dragons in two target with PP

[void ocean]

i didnt rly look under to see if they have pp

[serene notch]

Big pp

[plush roost]

Like for example in windrunner youre pulling the big lasher, havent chained into dragonhawks and all the small plants are dead. U can bp the dutiful grounds keepers that will die anyway and only do a bit of tank dam, or evis the plant until hawks are chained

[hollow spear]

I only need omission for 1.100 haste, can win

[plush roost]

Basically, any time theres a mob that must die before your group can move on and is surrounded by chainable shitters

Also its correct to evis at certain health threshholds: youre pulling the abom in windrunner and it has 13m hp and the cutthroats 7m hp, if youre group is healthy it can be correct to just throw in eviscerates to move the key forward and pull the witch

Tho thats risky buisness

Also you can evis if theres funnel involved. Like if you play with arms war

I intentionally sit outside of nimble flurry range so only sec tec is cleaving

And evis boss

If u view the game through a lense of: "this is faster" and not "this is more damage" you can kinda infer when to evis vs bp basically

[fossil forge]

yea if funnel gets pulled i evis so i dont oneshot their funnel

[hollow spear]

I'm glad I play weekly keys only

No thinking required

[tribal blade]

that's one kinda good thing about evis not being on nimble anymore, you can spam evis on bosses that have trash pulled on top of it and not nuke the stuff your arms is using for prio

(would still prefer if evis was on nimble though)

[fossil forge]

pit x nimble brr

wallah

[onyx trail]

Just noticed we dont run weapon master telent anymore but 2 stacks of finality. Any reason why?

[serene notch]

I like this take

[main stratus]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[solid lotus]

Think I’m in the minority here but I kinda miss rupture

[normal wadi]

bot says to change my ring but if i do that, haste goes from 796-666.. is this correct to do?

[foggy estuary]

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低)
get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速)
perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要)
robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[solid lotus]

Yoink

[foggy estuary]

Tldr; 700haste because you are human, simcraft bot no need this haste

Can confirm, dad with 1 kid needs at least 700haste + guidon otherwise raid leader angy

[still depot]

squad - in some streamers UI there is something that tells them in the middle of screen when they dont have feint/sprint/step. anyone know what it is?

[normal wadi]

exwindtools

pretty sure

[serene notch]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[solid lotus]

Progging myth Lura still using hero tier

Ty rng

[dusky yacht]

That moment when you upgrade your third item with ascendant and it doesn't increase your ilvl

[graceful rock]

this makes no sense

[short radish]

cause wow analyzer is the poop

[jagged hamlet]

is it good or not bc i always see people tell others to use it but ive also seen everybody say its dogshit so i just never b othered lol

[hollow spear]

For sub rogue it's poop

[jade oasis]

can i pre pot in raid?

[peak ice]

Yea, but it doesnt really work like it used to

[jade oasis]

wdym

[timid rose]

Potion just has 5 min cd, doesn't reset on pull

So long fights you can still use 2 pots

[jade oasis]

ah i see

[peak ice]

yep

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade everyone's favorite gameshow. did they or didn't they time the 14

[tribal blade]

definitely 3 chested

[lilac stag]

[hollow spear]

I've seen keys timed with worse

Which is kinda hilarious

[lilac stag]

healer was stuggling. tank missed 2% mob count

[tribal blade]

i've carried those kinds of groups to victory haha

just do giga carry dmg

[lilac stag]

i did not. can't carry last boss

well the mechaniics

did the dps

[tribal blade]

🙁

the worst is when the tank is single pulling

[somber sun]

tank keeps playing for ranges !!!!

[hollow spear]

Sometimes I just butt pull stuff to help out

[tribal blade]

@lilac stag how's the dk coming

[lilac stag]

242 ilv

i need keys

[hollow spear]

Another 5 ilvl and you could have carried the bums in your screenshot

[drifting ether]

That’s why you got tricks 😂

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[drifting ether]

It’s not as bad now mainly when season starts and tanks got no route

[lilac stag]

just turn on the route assist

It’s brilliant

I like seeing mobs glowing like firefly in the night

[hollow raptor]

you either pop it on pull for 2, or you pop it later in the fight during lust

[runic gorge]

As others said. Use your perma tricks on her as a healer. She never dies and you just pump the delve for free. You can skip a ton of mob clearing as well for the ones that are objective based since you just run through spamming aoe and it all trains on her. You just vanish when you need a reset.

[tiny sable]

does it work some what

like i am still learning and i am def messing up sometimes that why i am wonderin

[short radish]

idk afaik it hasnt been supported in yonks

i heard someone has taken over and done a bit of work on it

but like

i still dont think its that great

or necessary

[hollow spear]

I wouldn't use it for sub

[tribal blade]

would have a lot more success learning how to use lorrgs.io and warcraftlogs

since you need to do things depending on fights that is technically wrong

[gentle pike]

Does sub benefit much from mystic touch monk buff

[short radish]

yes

[wide magnet]

can you offhand sword now

[muted salmon]

Not as much as outlaw but the difference is marginal, so yes they def do

[wide magnet]

is that legal

[lucid jackal]

no!

[wide magnet]

FUCK

i got one dagger from skyreach

[lucid jackal]

gg...

[modern sentinel]

get it again

[wide magnet]

offhand weapon dps is fake tho so i could just use myth dagger mainhand and auction house offhand #yep

@lucid jackalwait can i use the dagger for offhand on sub

er

outlaw

[lucid jackal]

dagger offhand is optimal

for otl

[muted salmon]

^

[wide magnet]

we are so fucking back

[muted salmon]

Unless it has mastery :p

[wide magnet]

it does have mastery

[muted salmon]

Its so over 😿 🙏

Its hard for rogues tho, you cant really swap between specs because the substat prio is all over the place

Sub and outlaw isnt too hard you just have to drop all your mastery and get crit up to like 40%

[wide magnet]

rogue is definitely the most burdensome alt

[hazy knoll]

so rupture is gone, is there any replacement for it? lmao

[short radish]

yeah swap assi

[hazy knoll]

guess i need to figure out something to put in it's place on my bar lol

[short radish]

black powder

[tribal blade]

just buy a boe dagger off the AH if you wanna play sub

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[tribal blade]

can free upgrade it all the way too

[wide magnet]

im ok

im enjoying all specs rn

[tribal blade]

up to you

if it makes a diff your dagger is significantly higher ilvl than the 1 hander

but do what makes you happy 😉

[wide magnet]

true offhand wep dps is fake

[tribal blade]

for sub it is yeah

i dunno why i'm trying to convince you to play sub as if i have a stake in it haha

[wide magnet]

btw does tricks not persist through death?

keeps falling off of my tank randomyl

[tribal blade]

you know what i'm not even sure

did you smack something when you applied the 30 sec tricks to your tank

it'll only apply the 1 hour buff once you've hit something

[wide magnet]

lowkey

just looked at my macro

it was party1 and i was sending tricks on my hunter

[tribal blade]

LOL

fuck the hunter, keep doing it

let him die

[wide magnet]

[heavy ember]

Which pot are you guys using? reck or Light's

[tribal blade]

light's potential is best all round use

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sturdy mesa]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[gusty wharf]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cYgvZCPLfyNzX9rT?fight=1&type=casts&view=timeline&source=5 can someone take a look please as i feel im not getting the best out of sub

[vale osprey]

Looks like you're using dances wrong

Yeah you're desyncing dance sectec way too much

[gusty wharf]

ok so hold my dance for sectech?

[elfin spear]

I'm about to gear my sub rogue, currently sitting at 240 ilvl and i'm thinking of using all of my bonus rolls on a single m+ dungeon to get all the loot pool on mythic. Whats the best dung to do it? ty!!

[nova cairn]

Do we aim for 800 haste with puzzle box?

[hallow mortar]

so close 🙁 sadge, hate this boss