hell ye
#subtlety
native zodiac
swift tinsel
I’ve been doing an alt round robin to playtest
warm marlin
Maybe week after next we sell Lura 
lilac stag
rain swift
quick question bcuz i dont wanna find out the hard way, can we cloak the spikes on salhadaar?
surreal orbit
im pretty sure you cant cloak it and have the spikes still not come out
happy to be wrong
lilac stag
@swift tinsel was it get to 88 then run all the delve quests?
swift tinsel
<@534102863207464971> was it get to 88 then run all the delve quests?
Yeah
lilac stag
so 87 with crafting
swift tinsel
It might not get you all the way there depending on how many alts you have for bonus %
surreal orbit
i always do the delves at like 80 or 81 and hold the quests
unless it doenst matter and a friend is carrying you
lilac stag
ummm level 60 Valeera + BDK. I am the carrier
west tide
exile doing new wow boss testin rn
lilac stag
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like 
WoWhead or 
Icy Veins.
robust dust
how can i get 4 voidcores in this id? some people have 4 items on 298
stuck lance
farm
hollow quest
how can i get 4 voidcores in this id? some people have 4 items on 298
Just do some 10+ keys each gives you a shard or some hc bosses in raids
vale pine
how can i get 4 voidcores in this id? some people have 4 items on 298
by doing any of this content
keys need to be 10+
hallow mortar
!haste
wicked joltBOT
Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.
tidal solstice
only the champion bag from nightmare prey gives the core
hallow mortar
where is the haste chart
vale pine
you get a guranteed fragment from beuntiful delves, nightmare pray and keys
vale pine
only the champion bag from nightmare prey gives the core
^ this too
shrewd lantern
how can i get 4 voidcores in this id? some people have 4 items on 298
heroic raid is 100% drop
hallow mortar
!stats
wicked joltBOT
shrewd lantern
so thats 9 there
hallow mortar
where was that chart with haste threshold
void ocean
whats the meaning of that margin
subtle aspen
yo
void ocean
is that the "im not a robot" margin or...
subtle aspen
with low hast builds, first dance have more dmg increase?
tepid trellis
is that the "im not a robot" margin or...
yes
hollow quest
is that the "im not a robot" margin or...
Yes
worthy timber
Sorry if this has been answered but is 2 myth track weapons upgraded better than 1 myth track and 1 crafted both upgraded?
Like Hungering Victory and Kricks Stabber vs Kricks Stabber + Myth Crafted
wondering bc of embelishment
willow egret
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
void ocean
well if u move ur embelishment to some other place, its gonna be a marginal difference
verbal idol
My haste is only 610. But getting more Haste is a DPS loss according to Raidbot sim. Is that right?
void ocean
hell even if u stay with one embelishment i think the diff wouldnt be smth to write home about
fossil forge
@plush roost wtf charrend invading my youtube?
tidal solstice
probably wouldve done better with sub
winged shore
Sorry if this has been answered but is 2 myth track weapons upgraded better than...
Offhand dps is not very impactful
Basically a stat stick
But if you ran 2 myth and swapped to double arcanoweave overall it’s probably going to be negligibly different
sturdy mesa
!stats
wicked joltBOT
winged shore
I’m running 800 crit/700 haste/1000 mast buffed and that seems to be a solid mix right now for both myth raid and m+ (with myth guidon and alnseer)
tidal solstice
no gaze from chim or vault or bonus roll, f it we sendin the hero one
delicate wharf
hype, considering this char was the sacrifical lamb to get hero achiev asap on main :D
lilac stag
wondering bc of embelishment
The embellishments are minor. As we’ll get to full myth cap 2x arcano may sim slightly ahead
leaden hollow
hi, im teasing a bit on my old rogue atm, so, which is better spec, outlaw or sub?
nah im joking
not my question
my question is :
why do you not finish with secret technique but with eviscerate when youre not under shadow dance
according to the guide
swift tinsel
Because secret technique does more damage in dance
warm marlin
secret technique's cooldown is basically the same as shadow dance and dance makes it do a lot more damage
swift tinsel
And with its cooldown you’re restricted on when you can send it
tropic field
anyone have id for light's potential?
#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/use Light's Potential
/cast Secret Technique
this apparently doesnt work anymore
lime vortex
yeah the potion macro is broken, would love to get the id too
nocturne tendon
#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/use Light's ...
4th row you got 2 spaces between use and Light?
tropic field
oh
latent remnant
yeah the potion macro is broken, would love to get the id too
launching game to check
tropic field
still didnt work
nocturne tendon
🇫
latent remnant
oh huh
I haven't macro'd mine for a while but my macro with /use Light's Potential works still
lime vortex
doesnt seem to work either
Same
Sometimes it's working, sometimes not, it's fcked up
tropic field
yeah and it frustrates me
latent remnant
I had one raid day where it randomly stopped working and thats when I stopped having it macro'd
I just have guidon, burst (blades + dance) and then potion on keybinds all next to eachother now so I can kinda roll over them
worthy timber
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
latent remnant
wait am I being stupid for not adding sectec to that blades + dance macro like you would with the dance sectec macro
worthy timber
Feel like my sim should be higher https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ahhS7Ge3uaiaEtkoKpHbyD
latent remnant
117k at 287 for mine
lilac stag
Feel like my sim should be higher https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ahhS7Ge...
- You’re playing undead
- You’re playing the wrong talents.
- You’re close to what’s normal
foggy moat
Queick question for sub
worthy timber
1. You’re playing undead
2. You’re playing the wrong talents.
3. You’re close t...
Wrong talents?
foggy moat
as i havent't played it since dflight
tidal solstice
1. You’re playing undead
2. You’re playing the wrong talents.
3. You’re close t...
were doing 2 finality instead of WM correct?
lilac stag
as i havent't played it since dflight
Continue to stay away. 
random comet
Rude
foggy moat
when I currently at my haste level 779 I have a secret technique coming up before my shadow dance does in shadowblades
and i have like not long enough for that dance to come up before blades end
lilac stag
Wrong talents?
somber sun
show em scath
lilac stag
Huh?
Sectech is the first finisher with Dance. The only time it may not be is if it’s at the end of a boss kill in raid and trying to fit in any cds
foggy moat
well yes
worthy timber
Whats better for race? Didnt think that would make much difference
lilac stag
Whats better for race? Didnt think that would make much difference
anything. 
There are race sim inputs in #tc-research
foggy moat
what i'm saying here is in my double dance window in the opener i have a second one in blades but my second dance wears off right when Sectech comes off cd, but i still have shadowblades running, you're saying do not send that sectech am i thinking of shadowblades wrong?
finite lark
do we upgrade guidon over gaze? or am i misreading the pin mess ? 😄
ah nvm im dumby dumby
frosty sinew
what i'm saying here is in my double dance window in the opener i have a second ...
i'm assuming u don't have guidon?
foggy moat
i do not i'm rollling this rogue up to prep it for rogue buff for next tier
so i have uhh
0 gear
and it has existed for like
2 days
frosty sinew
ideally you'd have 800 haste to get a second sec tec into blades even without it
foggy moat
tidal solstice
i do not i'm rollling this rogue up to prep it for rogue buff for next tier
rogue buff for next tier? lawl
foggy moat
ideally you'd have 800 haste to get a second sec tec into blades even without it
I can get the second technique in blades, but it won't have a dance at my current haste
is what i'm saying i guess
lilac stag
what i'm saying here is in my double dance window in the opener i have a second ...
#subtlety-faq it’s outlined in there. Idk what gear you’re running as haste is only one part of it. At its simplest Blades is dance vanish dance.
If you don’t have any gear nothing matters. We are gear reliant.
foggy moat
ah ok that makes more sense
empty pollen
Maybe a silly question, mid boss fight i see my shadow blades coming off cooldown soon. should I always wait to pop until i have 2 shadow dance ready?
lofty lance
yo boys, now that im 287 on my main, if I log on my alt and upgrade my 2 mythic rings to max, will I get a discount on my main?
or it works for alts only
tidal solstice
you get discount for main
lofty lance
perfect
lilac stag
Maybe a silly question, mid boss fight i see my shadow blades coming off cooldow...
You cycle your dances. You don’t cap them.
shell vector
Does Myth of the Dawn not give discounts?
empty pollen
You cycle your dances. You don’t cap them.
so try to line it up where another becomes available while shadow blade is active?
shell vector
Oh is THAT what it is?
alpine wraith
only if your other char has the slot high ilvl
frosty sinew
ye
lilac stag
Does Myth of the Dawn not give discounts?
Only if you maxed the slot so you get a discount
frosty sinew
so try to line it up where another becomes available while shadow blade is activ...
you want to have 1 dance and the next one coming up in 10 seconds or sooner when you pop blades pretty much
lilac stag
so try to line it up where another becomes available while shadow blade is activ...
Dance is 8 seconds. Blades is 20. You can send everything with ~10 seconds left on 2nd dance cd
empty pollen
you want to have 1 dance and the next one coming up in 10 seconds or sooner when...
thank you 😊
abstract vapor
Mast on AA buff?
wide magnet
anyone else use cheap shot to proc shadow techniques for aura
paper stirrup
does 298 guidon change what haste we aim for?
alpine wraith
nope
just more main stat
there may be some tech with more haste like DS to get an extra global but might be far
or not worth as of now
drifting ether
Welp time to log into my druid lol
Ye im bricking my warrior to get ilvl on rogue 😂
shell vector
lmfao
tidal solstice
thought about spinnin my drood up and farmin 10s for peices my rogue has at their lowest, then blasting those up. but id save maybe two weeks? idgaf enough lol.
shell vector
My druid just already has rings/bracers which is 3/4 items I need excluding some crafted I have
dusky nymph
having taken a break from sub rogue since late tww, I'm wondering what the point of danse macabre is. Checking the guides, it looks like the shadow dance -> backstab -> secret technique tech is gone, I guess because the damage increase from DM is just not worth the added gcd. But why do we take it anyway if we only use 4 spells in SD?
like don't we have better options?
drifting ether
Ye just sending bonus rolls on alt to hunt for the pieces the rogue needs for ilvl
tidal solstice
easiest way i can think of would be just doing their delves, crafting 285s on slots my rogue doesnt have there yet. i wont have myth of the dawn til next week anyways
rancid crow
Is “So tricky” still bugged? It seems to only last 30 seconds instead of an hour
tidal solstice
worked for me earlier today
meager pendant
New rogue here ... So when I have the black bars when I pop CDs ... Do I unload 2 finishers? Or use 1 and continue to generate more Convo points?
drifting ether
having taken a break from sub rogue since late tww, I'm wondering what the point...
We ran sd bs macro last expansion this one is sd st
dusky nymph
We ran sd bs macro last expansion this one is sd st
isn't the macro 2 presses?
I always just put BS on the same keybind as SD and just hammered it lol, but yeah prob should macro now that I think of it
still... is Danse Macabre just an awkward talent now?
drifting ether
Nah you don’t need it anymore, just run the sd st and enter at full cp instead of 0
Ya it’s not as good now
tribal vortex
Guys do you have a macro to cast either Shadowstrike or bs ? I find myself spamming ss but dance finishing for example
shrewd lantern
i mean you just talent it and it does damage
drifting ether
Well it’s just diff to use compared to last we start max cp instead of 0, I think pins will have the macros aswell
drifting ether
!shadowblades
paper stirrup
should i aim for 600 or 700 haste with mythic guidon trinket?
dusky nymph
we didnt even play around it last expac
true actually
shrewd lantern
why would you play 600
dusky nymph
ngl I liked that silly bs tho
paper stirrup
dunno someone said 600 with guidon 700 without, but the guides say 700
random comet
Is “So tricky” still bugged? It seems to only last 30 seconds instead of an hour
The hour buff doesn’t apply until you hit something
shrewd lantern
I should make a sub guide with a fancy thumbnail
and have it tell all wrong info with ai voicing
dusky nymph
btw, how's the damage on high end gear? You guys happy with it? Just so I can set my expectations
drifting ether
Use a fist offhand too? 😂
fossil forge
btw, how's the damage on high end gear? You guys happy with it? Just so I can se...
No
#buffrogue!
shrewd lantern
Use a fist offhand too? 😂
make a fancy youtube thumbnail for this and people might fr ask about it
hollow quest
Use a fist offhand too? 😂
2h sword
dusky nymph
I mean "blizz hates rogues" is my catchphrase (added by a "blizz loves DHs" lol)
empty bobcat
why sub so stronk all of a sudden?
drifting ether
btw, how's the damage on high end gear? You guys happy with it? Just so I can se...
I only played sub last season but, it took awhile but I think damage feels similar now but easier to execute
shrewd lantern
me posting info with 0 context
dusky nymph
but like... we bad bad, aka disable ingame damage meter and never look at damage done tab in logs and just keep parse tab open, or can we still surprise some rogue haters with high deeps?
fossil forge
me posting info with 0 context
tidal solstice
mafic was right, slowly buffing with low numbers got us here finally without making us OP.
/s
fossil forge
but like... we bad bad, aka disable ingame damage meter and never look at damage...
good st mediocre aoe
purple/red class do everything…
Yellow go bench
shrewd lantern
where's the pasta
drifting ether
With finality change you got pretty good pad in raids now too
dusky nymph
sounds promising at least
shrewd lantern
Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)
drifting ether
And mastery back
tidal solstice
Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.
dusky nymph
lmaooo
fossil forge
subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)
dusky nymph
but hey, as a seasoned sub rogue connaisseur, I can tell you... Our time will come. Always
tidal solstice
itll be better next season
dusky nymph
if blizz does one thing over and over again it's to nerf rogue to sub-heal damage, then buff to 2x second highest spec
hollow quest
No the season after that
Next expansion 🤞
shrewd lantern
tidal solstice
literally every year at burning man someone says that lol. "next year will be better"
shrewd lantern
this chat rn
radiant swift
does robot now handle haste correctly? does droptimizer work?
dusky nymph
literally every year at burning man someone says that lol. "next year will be be...
I mean tww s3 was sick
fossil forge
drifting ether
Araz prism combo goated
dusky nymph
Araz prism combo goated
preaaaach
fossil forge
double on use + double coup 😿
fossil forge
For noobs
shrewd lantern
it worked on some timers
fossil forge
it was perfect until timers got scuffed
dusky nymph
lily prism was kinda cool too tbh
shrewd lantern
the real big brainer is your guild lets you 18 stack prism on platform
with pot
definitely ethical
no pad here
dusky nymph
but yeah glad sub got pulled out of the full-on trash can it was in on release
dusky nymph
still stinks a bit of trash but that's ait
still better then everything else
and yeah don't lose hope, sub will shine on #1 spot for a whole season again. Always happens. Always
swift tinsel
Just wish the gameplay had more depth, esp in keys
spiral needle
lotta strong specs got nerfed too
dusky nymph
Just wish the gameplay had more depth, esp in keys
yeaaah, reason I rerolled to some other specs since pre patch till now
but trust me they are all even more boring
swift tinsel
Ye most specs in midnight have very little compelling gameplay
A few are fun but they’re the exception
dusky nymph
and getting back to sub felt like setting the game to 2x speed + havin 10x more options all time
swift tinsel
Outside of minor prep for dance/blades it’s just very shallow gameplay
And even then said prep is just ‘BS to not cap energy a few sec before Sectech+dance’
dusky nymph
but playing some other spec for too long helped me, can recommend
normal wadi
!ui
wicked joltBOT
Essential:
ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
Quality of Life:
Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
Mute Cold Blood sound
The first dance tracker
swift tinsel
I’ve been mostly raidlogging rogue and messing with alts in the meantime
Havoc, fdk, arms, little unholy
dusky nymph
try devourer
dusky nymph
it's the ranged sub without tricks imo
super tight on timings if you try to perfect it
swift tinsel
Their meta does feel better than sub’s dance I will say
But only when you’re deep into it and fighting the giga drain
And trying to spellqueue before shit runs out to get a fifth or sixth cstar
dusky nymph
Their meta does feel better than sub’s dance I will say
buuut it has 0 wiggle room, you can't delay anything for like 45s
dusky nymph
no way of interrupting or ccing, no way of repositioning flexibly, just a standing canon
meanwhile sub is just still peak
boringly easy, but peak
swift tinsel
Eh to each their own
I preferred the all-in burst profile
This current iteration is a miss for me
dusky nymph
I miss WoD sub
swift tinsel
Was momentarily excited when Cloud Cover existed as a strong burst amp
But that was neutered and with it my excitement
dusky nymph
basically if you combined current sin + sub and added SnD management
swift tinsel
Sin aoe falls apart after a while for me bc of dot timer desynching and ct energy cost
swift tinsel
lol my dk is my second highest geared toon atm
dusky nymph
like it had all, energy pooling, long burst windows, stealth, juggling 3 buffs, and I fucking loved death from above, it looked way too cool
swift tinsel
Yeah I’m just chasing a few slots yet on rogue but we’re probs finishing prog when we kill saladbar
Maybe try dragons for a few nights
abstract vapor
take mastery buff from AA ya?
plush roost
probably wouldve done better with sub
I was sub i went assa on last boss since we did 2 min strat
swift tinsel
And I don’t think I’m enjoying this tier enough to try and push past that
I need to do a mental inventory of what I want to do for next season after we wrap this one up
Gave rogue a mostly honest try even though I was lukewarm on it
dusky nymph
oh, you were new on rogue this season?
swift tinsel
But this xpac in general is a letdown for me so unless s2 is a banger idk if im gonna play
swift tinsel
oh, you were new on rogue this season?
No
I just wasn’t sure if I would enjoy it with the midnight changes
And I don’t really
dusky nymph
yeah go reroll, honest recommendation
swift tinsel
But I told myself I’d at least give it a shot before hopping off it
dusky nymph
I didn't touch it at all untill like today
and it made me realize how much I missed the essentials of it and made me super hyped to keep playing it now
swift tinsel
I was gonna play dk or dh if I wasn’t going to play rogue which idk if that would have made me enjoy the season that much more
Fifth dh in raid or third/fourth dk
Vs only rogue
Guild discord vibes have been good though so I just coasted on that lol
manic glen
Is it dumb to use guidon and puzzle box?
subtle aspen
how can i track the first dance timer
lilac stag
!ui
wicked joltBOT
Essential:
- ArcUI / [AvijeCDM](<https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/ayijecdm) - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
- WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
- MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
- Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
Quality of Life: - Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
- WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
- Mute Cold Blood sound
- The first dance tracker
radiant swift
is haste breaknow correct in sims? can u trust droptimizer?
neat mortar
Is the Feather from Windrunner's Spire a viable alternative to Gideon for the haste use? I only play M+, so obtaining Gideon isn't a realistic option for me.
peak ice
Is the Feather from Windrunner's Spire a viable alternative to Gideon for the ha...
You can use it yes
The cooldown is just kinda wonky
neat mortar
Oh, never saw that the guidon has less cooldown. Well, maybe I need to visit a raid.
lilac stag
Congrats on picking a mid level dps alt that has a very specific item it needs.
shrewd lantern
yeah
neat mortar
Yeah I know, but puzzlebox is so weird to play with.
shrewd lantern
playing rogue for m+ is a choice
mostly a dumb one
one day i will understand whats weird about boxing during a gather
swift tinsel
anyone know the exact rate salabad gains energy?
he hits full energy at ~1:42
shrewd lantern
you miss a whole ass backstab
random comet
Better when we get a new 2min trinket
shrewd lantern
to cast box
neat mortar
Im not aiming for high keys at least but got dragged into +15 keys todays, was fun to play tho
shrewd lantern
maybe i dont ad enough
peak ice
Feather will be fine
shrewd lantern
to understand why puzzelbox is weird
peak ice
If you cba doing raids
gilded thistle
he hits full energy at ~1:42
will it happen every 1:42 or is it every 100 seconds after the first?
swift tinsel
will it happen every 1:42 or is it every 100 seconds after the first?
first is 1:42 and 2nd is 3:44 or so
gilded thistle
first is 1:42 and 2nd is 3:44 or so
alright good to know ty
neat mortar
I do dreamrift HC for gaze, but got unlucky and will get it next week 🙁
peak ice
Unfortunate
swift tinsel
alright good to know ty
lorrgs only shows 2x burn phases so idk when the 3rd would be
but probs big guild problems if you're fighting that long
gilded thistle
yeah I'm not worried about a third
swift tinsel
hc gaze prob worse thwn mythic solarflare
hero gaze beat myth prism for me notably
by almost 1% iirc
if not more
subtle aspen
Otherwise puzzlebox <:omegalul:585734084777476096> and get 800 haste
i dont know if this is worth
im doing arround 200k with low hast setup
shrewd lantern
hmm well
peak ice
Yea heroic gaze is better than mythic solar
shrewd lantern
just loot a mythic gaze
swift tinsel
and that was with pre-nerf cloud cover
shrewd lantern
idk what to tell you
peak ice
And you can just slap a core on it
peak ice
200k what
random comet
🤨
neat mortar
Right now Im at 726 haste since wowhead says "get 700 haste with gideon", but now I downloaded class codex and it says 567 haste is enough and now im confused
lilac stag
im doing arround 200k with low hast setup
Yeah no reason to lean into what the spec actually does well. Which is boss dmg. But go on with your padding.
subtle aspen
for what im playing ( i dont have guidon, but have mythic puzzle box and gaze) im using low hast setup, like 400-500, and putting all on mastery and crit, i was using finality, but for me the first dance seems better cause i have dance on all burst
peak ice
200k against packs?
subtle aspen
200k against packs?
overall
subtle aspen
Yeah no reason to lean into what the spec actually does well. Which is boss dmg....
on bosses im doing minimum 95k
st bosses
shrewd lantern
subtle aspen
i just make sure to start boss with fd
subtle aspen
im not saying i wanna use this low hast setup, but for who those dont have it i think its worth to go with
swift tinsel
I need a wellness check I just momentarily considered gearing my boomkin
I am not okay
lilac stag
im not saying i wanna use this low hast setup, but for who those dont have it i ...
Yer literally in no mans land of haste. Either sit at 200 or go 800
shrewd lantern
Just haste flask
subtle aspen
Yer literally in no mans land of haste. Either sit at 200 or go 800
yes, i only have 400 cause my gear but if i would put more on crit + mastery i would
cause the breakpoints
lilac stag
so get rid of haste
plush roost
Your choices are:
200 haste pbox -> lowest boss dps highest aoe
800 haste pbox -> middle pack and boss dps
Guidon -> lowest pack dps highest boss dps
Simple as
subtle aspen
so get rid of haste
i tried, so much points lose on mastery and crit for that
and on sims did less dmg
lilac stag
What
peak ice
Huh
swift tinsel
if you get rid of haste you get more mastery and/or crit
swift tinsel
oh you silly
fossil forge
Your choices are:
200 haste pbox -> lowest boss dps highest aoe
800 haste pbo...
I need to try 200haste pbox
dont have a mythic puzzy..
subtle aspen
I need to try 200haste pbox
seems good, i have like 400 hast( wich is not ideal) and doing great
go for it
plush roost
dont have a mythic puzzy..
Same... was good on ze beta tho
swift tinsel
spent all day moving bank boxes I need to turn off brain and finish farming warrior amirdrassil set
subtle aspen
Your choices are:
200 haste pbox -> lowest boss dps highest aoe
800 haste pbo...
im pretty sure, low hast build would use first dance
fossil forge
seems good, i have like 400 hast( wich is not ideal) and doing great
I wouldnt play it without premades ig
subtle aspen
I wouldnt play it without premades ig
swift tinsel
maybe I become transmog collector main
plush roost
im pretty sure, low hast build would use first dance
The whole point of low haste is to increase your crit to give finality value
fossil forge
Dropping finality for tfd is probably not the cook
plush roost
I would just play 800 haste tfd at that point
subtle aspen
The whole point of low haste is to increase your crit to give finality value
u think its worth? i did dance on all burst with the first dance talented
plush roost
u think its worth? i did dance on all burst with the first dance talented
Depends on key level and pack duration tbh, tfd will be good in 40 second pulls finality will be better as packs live and bosses become longer
subtle aspen
Depends on key level and pack duration tbh, tfd will be good in 40 second pulls ...
18-19, i think im exploding so fast
i think on 20 i can switch
plush roost
I probably need to rip some more tfd keys tbh but my gut days finality will become more
lilac stag
spent all day moving bank boxes I need to turn off brain and finish farming warr...
Turning brain off is the norm in here.
swift tinsel
Turning brain off is the norm in here. <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
how much haste do I need to turn it only partially on
subtle aspen
I probably need to rip some more tfd keys tbh but my gut days finality will beco...
bro, that talent in magisters
is insane
i did 1 pack, then reset to tfd
then the 3 pack too with all burst
lol
fossil forge
I probably need to rip some more tfd keys tbh but my gut days finality will beco...
Its so ass
lilac stag
how much haste do I need to turn it only partially on
400 gets you enough to have longer brain waves, not long enough to do anything with em.
fossil forge
Im dancing and my tech is off cd
swift tinsel
I am the orange cat
fossil forge
And i still have like 3 globals
swift tinsel
single brain cell 400 haste
fossil forge
before i can dance again
lilac stag
I am the orange cat
What this season has taught me is the majority of people don’t understand what the phrase “break point” means
swift tinsel
What this season has taught me is the majority of people don’t understand what t...
no you don't understand is 705 haste too much is my rogue bricked
peak ice
no you don't understand is 705 haste too much is my rogue bricked
How much verse
fossil forge
Wtf bro i have 717
fossil forge
So over for me?
lilac stag
Discord mods say I need 700. Surely 730 is better
swift tinsel
might as well get 1100
that'll show those pesky theorycrafters!
I'm playing deathstalker to stick it to them
sullen hare
What this season has taught me is the majority of people don’t understand what t...
It's right up there with "why does my sim say puzzy b is an upgrade over guidon?" Then you look at the sim and it has 700 crit, 840 haste, 229 mastery, and 100 vers
swift tinsel
the impact the breakpoints have on gearing/simming is a bit annoying though but its by no means insurmountable
just a little extra math
solid lotus
Someone convince me not to send voidcores on nexus ring 2pc
swift tinsel
and also fucks with droptimizer
lilac stag
I’m truly sorry the content you want to do rogue brings nothing to, and the trinkets available are all shit tier.
sullen hare
Someone convince me not to send voidcores on nexus ring 2pc
Follow your heart
solid lotus
I have the alleria neck so just want all the procs
swift tinsel
ugh trinkets this tier, esp non-raid ones
peak ice
Someone convince me not to send voidcores on nexus ring 2pc
Roll
lilac stag
have you met our lord and savior arthas?
swift tinsel
and even raid one for on-use
peak ice
Get the rings
solid lotus
100 pulls deep into Lura so need some dopamine
lilac stag
12.0.7 is a 2 min boss from the looks of it. long live sub
sullen hare
let's see Paul Allen's raid boss
fossil forge
Isnt there a new trinket in the sporefused Raid?
lilac stag
Sir this is a Wendy’s
fossil forge
i got convinced bunch of my irls homies to try retail for the first time
What would be the most enjoyable classes for beginners rn?
lilac stag
Do you hate your homies?
fossil forge
1 wants to play arms
swift tinsel
good thing devourer has havoc it can use to level bc I swear its worse than rogue leveling
fossil forge
Other wants to play prot war
peak ice
Devourer is boring
fossil forge
And the last one doesnt care
fossil forge
1 wants to play arms
I said arms very big nono rn prob
peak ice
They’re fine
lilac stag
Have the arms play dk. Have the doesn’t care play a healer
lilac stag
Arms is still stupid gameplay. Well unintuitive
normal wadi
guys is there a way to make my action bar 1 invisible? cant turn it off in the settings
fossil forge
The worst part was convincing someone not used to paying 50eur yearly and 13 monthly
To pay the toll
swift tinsel
Arms is still stupid gameplay. Well unintuitive
what do you find unintuitive about arms?
lilac stag
Fury is still more enjoyable in keys over arms
fossil forge
The warrior guy wants melee so its between fury and frost ig
peak ice
Frost dk?
lilac stag
what do you find unintuitive about arms?
That I have a big fucking 2h and tanks do the same ST damage
fossil forge
yes
peak ice
Frost seems to be doing quite well
swift tinsel
true true
lilac stag
Slam can fuck off
fossil forge
That I have a big fucking 2h and tanks do the same ST damage
+2 targets suddenly ur spacegod
lilac stag
Spec is button bloated still
peak ice
Dk been in a good place for a while
swift tinsel
yeah I'm not a fan of having that as a spender
spec feels busy enough with ms/execute/op
weak atlas
is it actually worth playing ds on lura or bait (considering that I can actually hit 1.1k haste)
lilac stag
don’t get me wrong. It’s better than assa and outlaw, just the st dmg is so fucking depressing
and you have no way to fix it with either spec
peak ice
is it actually worth playing ds on lura or bait (considering that I can actually...
Much of a muchness imo
swift tinsel
I've been vibing with it in raid but the execute rotation feels very stale/dull
2x execute->global->ms
weak atlas
Much of a muchness imo
well thank the fucking lord
fossil forge
I've been vibing with it in raid but the execute rotation feels very stale/dull
i really like how i have the freedom of choosing what i press
peak ice
I think it’s technically more damage but like
peak ice
You have to use cds different
weak atlas
ye am aware that its a bit different
peak ice
And my brain kept fucking it up after not playing ds this whole season
weak atlas
are there actual numbers on dam diff between trickster and ds for st?
fossil forge
https://tenor.com/view/moonkin-dance-starfall-dancing-moonkin-gif-20256106
I havent Seen a single balance this szn
weak atlas
or can I trust clanker
fossil forge
So far
lilac stag
are there actual numbers on dam diff between trickster and ds for st?
Yes. It’s called sim it.
fossil forge
Only guardians or feral freaks
peak ice
Yea I’d sim it
swift tinsel
ds gameplay just feels like more to pay attention to for less fun
lilac stag
125k vs 119k for me and not at 1100
peak ice
Think it was like 4-5% from memory
swift tinsel
like the tradeoff isn't there
weak atlas
yeah fuck ds
swift tinsel
nah that would make things more annoying
swift tinsel
tried it with my haste gear at ~1080 or so and I just couldn't enjoy it
swift tinsel
have rings/neck with lots of haste
weak atlas
barely getting there but ye alleria neck
short radish
all of u abusing alleria necks
we don't do violence against women here
fossil forge
i have all the haste rings expect the lura one
plush roost
Alleria neck haste flask ommision of light and bond of light
strange chasm
Also does like a metric fuckload more dps
does it tho
plush roost
Simple as
strange chasm
alot of the logs show trickster still ontop for boss dam
peak ice
Cause no one plays ds
strange chasm
there is some with ds
swift tinsel
you can kinda fuck up easier as ds so that may be part of it
fossil forge
Alleria neck haste flask ommision of light and bond of light
Hear me out . Swap omission for the ring from MT and get pants from alleria
plush roost
I mean most people are not properly geared for DS even if theyre at 1100 haste
Even im not
swift tinsel
ye there's a few variables into why
peak ice
Its worse in keys isn’t it
swift tinsel
yes
fossil forge
What more do you need other than 1100 haste wtf
plush roost
But if u have the setup it should bang crazystylw
sick swift
First time in Mythic Chimmy here shortly, should I roll with aoe or ST talents for him?
strange chasm
Dont you just need the haste setup?
peak ice
St
swift tinsel
ST
plush roost
What more do you need other than 1100 haste wtf
Mastery
sick swift
Wooooooord, tyty
peak ice
You can just st him and the big add
swift tinsel
your ranged should be killing the lil shitters and you can just sit boss
peak ice
Other shit just pops
swift tinsel
if you're first group you can bang first set of adds downstairs insta with dance/sectech
plush roost
Yknow
fossil forge
Yep
swift tinsel
and have coup prepped to send
fossil forge
Did anyone play ds on egg
sick swift
Word, this is my first season playing sub since they made sin play like someone with a time delay on their keyboard so I've always got questions, I appreciate how willing you guys are to answer my questions 🙂
swift tinsel
sin is pain
fossil forge
Sin gameplay 😴
sick swift
It's so sad what they did to it, going back to silvermoon shouldn't have meant playing our BC rotation again
peak ice
It’s been kinda energy starved for a while tbh
lilac stag
@fossil forge SV is fun too
peak ice
Like I can’t remember when it didn’t have the weird downtime
swift tinsel
its bad now bc the downtime is forced
fossil forge
Survival does a metric fuckton of damage rn also
sick swift
It felt pretty good in tww, barely had to ever pool other than when it didn't feel bad because DS actually hit hard
swift tinsel
bc of apex
fossil forge
<@289407486828740609> SV is fun too
I need to force them into forging my own phys group
the dream
swift tinsel
ye sub just doesn't feel good in keys in general once you get above like a +6 lol
limber folio
huh
undone crag
absolute noob here, does ST have to be my first global in SD? or if have SD rolling and ST comes of CD i send it?
or hold til fresh SD
peak ice
Terrible take lmao
fossil forge
I mean
most of the dungeons u bl first pack and pack dead with 10sec of blades still up
And bl running
In a (+10)
peak ice
absolute noob here, does ST have to be my first global in SD? or if have SD roll...
You want to super st
peak ice
I’m only starting to feel it a little at like 16-17s
fossil forge
pack dead before u press kb and dm bro
this concerns you the most
It completly doesnt matter what you play when they can time a 20 with 5 guardians
golden totem
absolute noob here, does ST have to be my first global in SD? or if have SD roll...
look at supercharger talent, you wanna make sure sectec is one of these 2 finishers.
fossil forge
all 3 are good
undone crag
Thanks fellas 🫡
sick swift
Wish me luck gang 🙂
peak ice
Gl
serene notch
feeling a little vindicated ATM @tepid trellis pbox at 826 haste does not expect you to cram 2nd sectec into blades window
am i reading that right?
i never used quick sims before so never saw this section, i have the paid version so always did top gear
wet pelican
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
dusky yacht
!stats
wicked joltBOT
sullen hare
am i reading that right?
Yes you are really that correctly
serene notch
so for us unfortunate souls who dont have guidon even 800 haste (i had 826) in my sim, even played perfectly you cannot cram a 2nd sectec into blades
dusky yacht
!haste
wicked joltBOT
Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.
lilac stag
so for us unfortunate souls who dont have guidon even 800 haste (i had 826) in m...
Link the sim
shadow lance
so for us unfortunate souls who dont have guidon even 800 haste (i had 826) in m...
I doubt, do you have log?
serene notch
sure let me get a ran a few with various things
this is the one where i have 826 haste i stripped off raid buffs
maybe i am missing something?
plush roost
Thats strange
First one doesnt, second one does
Maybe it just is utilizing dance uptime
During pbox
shadow lance
First sb, you got 2 ST in
serene notch
first one with BL right?
short radish
so for us unfortunate souls who dont have guidon even 800 haste (i had 826) in m...
you can definitely get a 2nd sectec in blades with pbox and 800 haste
serene notch
i ran again without
plush roost
That sim is krangled wtf
shadow lance
Same for the second sb at.1:30
peak ice
isnt quick sim kinda weird
plush roost
Yeah its weird af
swift tinsel
critmaxxing haptics would be excited to loot occlusion, current haptics is still chill with it
short radish
short radish
absolute gaming
lilac stag
look at 3:08 and you can see it fit everything
swift tinsel
critmaxxing haptics would be excited to loot occlusion, current haptics is still...
its within margin of my hero bifurcation band 
lilac stag
redrogue hit 88 before raid
swift tinsel
haha nice
lilac stag
maybe I finish after raid.
debatiung delves or 7 more pulls
then we just engineer to 90
short radish
redrogue hit 88 before raid <:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706580620>
if you have all the delve stuff that's enough to get to 90
lilac stag
i have 5 delves to do, but I think those take longer than bdk pulling void delve
normal wadi
are we using exboss, if so can i get someones profile please?
lilac stag
i boosted to 80. so running them in greens was whatever
short radish
what are haste breakpoints for extra seconds
lilac stag
81 I could buy the 4 blue 180 items haha
steel wyvern
does it snapshot as well?
swift tinsel
only if its haste rating
short radish
yah
swift tinsel
not %
steel wyvern
0.4 margin is kinda needed cause of cdg bug right
lilac stag
ie you snapshot second dance with guidon in blades
steel wyvern
so like you know that guidon "bug"
no
short radish
you could press sdance after the guidon buff runs out, but still have the bonus applied because it's not ticked over yet
steel wyvern
i see
i wonder if its worth it to go for next breakpoint when i get both nexus point rings
gonna have a lot of haste
lilac stag
Take it away from something else
short radish
double it and give it to the next person
lilac stag
it doesnt mater
steel wyvern
Take it away from something else
yeah i could drop haste from neck and craft a crit mast neck
short radish
i wonder if its worth it to go for next breakpoint when i get both nexus point r...
run sims and see how it looks
lilac stag
champ guidon to mythic doesnt matter
short radish
my feelycraft understanding of the sims though is that
the 700 breakpoint allows you to get that sectech in sblades
but then an extra second doesnt really do that much else
unless youre DS
which then you do want the 1.1k
drifting ether
i wonder if its worth it to go for next breakpoint when i get both nexus point r...
At that point you play ds 😂
steel wyvern
my feelycraft understanding of the sims though is that
how much is 298 guidon
do we know or nah
short radish
idk someone probably has one
i dont because i havent played the game on my rogue
need to get stupid crests on alts to get the stupid achieve
steel wyvern
need to get stupid crests on alts to get the stupid achieve
what achiev
short radish
myth track
for crest save
because my rogue is so down bad for ilvl
its 285 or something
shrewd lantern
signed in for my shift at the p1 wipe factory
short radish
👍
steel wyvern
for crest save
:0
strange chasm
P3 memory game lura can you shadowstep your person
if you get it
or is that banned
short radish
i thought i had good ilvl
thought wrong buddy
steel wyvern
thought wrong buddy
wtf
plush roost
P3 memory game lura can you shadowstep your person
Just comm it and its nbd
steel wyvern
fk u thimbul vitter
plush roost
I commed: "(person) ill teleport to you"
steel wyvern
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923898501529600/1504520422152...
i mean hes got a heroic neck
wcyd
surreal yew
how can i put my combo points over my target? is that possible?
strange chasm
Just comm it and its nbd
you wont kill anyone else right
warm marlin
<@135762418251988992> at least i have a kick
short radish
it's 285 average for the achieve
but in order to get the crest save you need to have a piece of gear at that ilvl on any of your chars
in the case of rings/trinket you need both
so i have to play my stupid alt shaman, grind up 190 crests, get 2x myth track rings and upgrade them
then i can upgrde my rings on my rogue
what a great game
hollow spear
It's pretty cooked ngl
I'll just suffer through it on my rogue and jumpstart my alt
fossil forge
My main is 288 and my outlaw is 280 with 400 crests and a myth sale
Main rogue is cookd
hollow spear
288 and cooked
The heck you on about
If that's cooked, then my rogue is deep-fried
dusky yacht
Legit would be able to get full mythic track upgraded with the ascended hero item trick faster on an alt than on your main now though which to me really doesn't make any sense
void sluice
anybody know if you need to open the t11 bountiful chest with a coffer key to get voidshards?
short radish
90% sure yes since it says bountiful chest
plush roost
you wont kill anyone else right
If u port ontop of your symbol? Yeah it just pops that symbol and does damage in the circle of the symbol make sure the person ur porting to isnt ontop of a seed holder tho
steel wyvern
thank god i have 24 coffer keys
HUGE
chilly tree
puzzle box is obviously simming higher for me, i have myth gaze and myth puzzle but hero guidon, what would you all run of those 3?
also if you get lusted during a shadow dance, do you get more dance duration?
shrewd lantern
HUGE
dont think i need that many upgrade items
4 more to upgrade my puzzle in case
then 5 for outlaw wep eventually
chilly tree
If u port ontop of your symbol? Yeah it just pops that symbol and does damage in...
how has sub been for you in higher keys btw, meant to ask the other day
outlaw is dumb so i refuse to play it
steel wyvern
dont think i need that many upgrade items
just used all my keys
need like
10 more to finish sub, guidon and offhand
then 10 more after that for my current outlaw set
idk if thats ever gonna happen tho tbh
plush roost
how has sub been for you in higher keys btw, meant to ask the other day
Its alright, outlaws better probably. Sub suffers from statting for aoe or for ST a bit
Not enough reps tho
No myth pbox, no low haste setup avail for me type shit
chilly tree
im running a more melee comp so outlaw is probably best, its rotation is just ass
bear, mw, hunter, enh, rogue
hollow spear
Its alright, outlaws better probably. Sub suffers from statting for aoe or for S...
What's the tradeoff? You mean ultra low haste for aoe?
Otherwise it would just be 700 haste and then mastery, no?
plush roost
What's the tradeoff? You mean ultra low haste for aoe?
Ye, or guidon vs box
astral axle
wicked urchin
acoustic ice
is dslice safe for our m+ sims?
gilded ferry
is dslice safe for our m+ sims?
not as reliable for sub
sturdy mesa
!stats
wicked joltBOT
peak ice
do macros like, activate in order
hollow spear
Yes, if they're off gcd (or you press one with an on gcd spell when your global is ready)
tiny sable
if i want to mess with assa at all how borked are the stats from sub
sick epoch
good morning guys, one question. ANyone know what % on the logs did I do on one specifit target? especifically alleria un crown myth, I can filter by alleria to see my dmg but not my % compared in logs only to alleria dmg
tiny sable
Not great, not terrible
ok thank you
hollow spear
good morning guys, one question. ANyone know what % on the logs did I do on one ...
Rankings > player rankings > boss damage
outer orchid
if i want to mess with assa at all how borked are the stats from sub
i swapped to assa with just a ring swap, puzzle box swap, and flask swap and have been doing just fine on paladins (my mental is not fine though)
sick epoch
Rankings > player rankings > boss damage
okay I see that now, but this just would filter alleria and not for example demiar, vorelus... etc?
hollow spear
I don't think they count as boss damage
tiny sable
i swapped to assa with just a ring swap, puzzle box swap, and flask swap and hav...
lol i am struggling to get into pugs for myth chimetc not sure if its a sub thing
sick epoch
I don't think they count as boss damage
great, thank you
tiny sable
so i want to get parces for all of the specs
hollow spear
You usually get 700 applications on myth chim
outer orchid
yeah there are an insane amount of people not doing chim with their guilds anymore so they go to group finder
tiny sable
yea i know but the gimpy group my rouge is with i dont see getting any myth soon so i was wanting to pug
outer orchid
just gotta make yourself as attractive as possible
if you have decent logs for heroic you can try to put a link to your profile in the signup note or whisper the lead
get your ilvl as high as you can
even if its different gear
you can swap it off once you get in
tiny sable
true
still vector
has there been anymore changes to ST and AOE builds?
I only got told from a friend that we value mastery more now
short radish
I only got told from a friend that we value mastery more now
yes
small sleet
has there been anymore changes to ST and AOE builds?
the most recent builds are in the pins
for those that have done lura, how bad realistically do you think it would be for me to be a crystal holder for p1 and p2
warm marlin
its fine as melee
small sleet
considering im a more consistent player than some of the "meta classes" for crystal holding
kk thats what i figured thanks
warm marlin
just play a bit safe when glaives go into boss since your death will mean a lot more
walk out of melee maybe
small sleet
yeah i have a bit of practice doing it, but we were discussing whether i stay doing it
sturdy mesa
can someone see my status? m 269 ilvl
small sleet
i feel comfortable enough doing it, i think it'll be fine
hollow spear
can someone see my status? m 269 ilvl
Wdym
outer orchid
can someone see my status? m 269 ilvl
!stats
wicked joltBOT
outer orchid
i dont see any glaring issues like 15% vers or anything
also you'd do better to just upgrade ilvl and not worry too much about your stats apart from 700 haste (with guidon)
serene notch
sigh...
outer orchid
what's wrong fightypants
serene notch
still no guidon
outer orchid
you'll get it in vault!
unless you need gaze
then you'll get that in vault instead!
serene notch
this run pbox and have 800 haste to get two sectecs in breaking my brain, everytime i run the sim the APL says you cannot cram another one in till like 840ish, but everyone here disagrees so im question myself
drifting ether
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x3aUHyxK3V5yDnx9bg9p4d
Your second Sb your sim did it
serene notch
yes cause im mucking with my haste value
basically my thinking is, the APL says i can do it at 840 haste but not at say 820
which i translate into i need like 900 cause im old and a dad
serene notch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8nkstkzM8RtkQjMuUETcAA
this one is with BL which i took out
outer orchid
in-game right now with 741 haste i can just barely not get the 2nd ST in the 2nd SD unless i hold 2 GCD
lilac stag
this one is with BL which i took out
that's literralyt what you sent me saying didnt do it
outer orchid
800 you should definitely be getting a 2nd ST in blades
languid finch
how worse puzzle box will be vs guidon?
lilac stag
100x worse
serene notch
yea....way worse T_T
chrome fern
bloodmallet alleges 1-2%
short radish
Yes, if they're off gcd (or you press one with an on gcd spell when your global ...
well.....
actually
outer orchid
these are my stats with a puzzlebox equipped which is my loadout for m+
if i refrain from spending my cps in my last 3 gcds i can use ST with my final gcd
@serene notch
you're reading too hard into the sim
lilac stag
2nd sec tec is outside blades
stop turing off lust or buffs. legit go to 3mins and it's fine.
idk wtf you're trying to sim or prove
or disprove
serene notch
wouldnt you always be able to fit the 2nd sectec inside balde with lust?
outer orchid
you can always fit the 2nd st in blades without lust even at 740 haste
which i literally just did
3 times
in game
chrome fern
what is making you say that sectec is not in the blades? just that it's at 22s ?
serene notch
my point is if we say ok have 800 haste you can land two sectecs inside blades (and this is where i struggle) i am trying to understand
short radish
my point is if we say ok have 800 haste you can land two sectecs inside blades (...
whats hard to understand
lilac stag
my point is if we say ok have 800 haste you can land two sectecs inside blades (...
look at the 3 min blades. EVERYRTHIGN fits
serene notch
lol just trying to learn
lilac stag
this channel seems to get more Ret like every day
outer orchid
serene notch
MB ill shut up @lilac stag
lilac stag
between stats and 
we're doomed
short radish
i'm just confused at what you're confused by
lilac stag
MB ill shut up <@226395155098370049>
youre fine, but you're not listening
chrome fern
this channel seems to get more Ret like every day
they took all the complexity away from the spec, so people needing to be 5d chess anakysing things to get some back
short radish
are you struggling to make the casts?
tight fjord
Quick, get top 10 in the world before everyone upgrades their items
outer orchid
if they turn it into a self-buff it's already so much better
hollow spear
I do, in Onomichi rn
lilac stag
@serene notch here's the basics. between the opener and whatever else that is expecting lust on pull (and whatever else you disabled it's not getting enough SHT stacks or Combo points in it's logic to do something that youre capable of doing in game. That sime LITERALLY SHOWS YOU THAT with the 3rd cast of blades at 3m with 2nd PB cast
short radish
heading to or from hiroshima?
lilac stag
if you're not getting casts in, that's a gameplay issue on your end
hollow spear
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