subtlety

[ebon pawn]

tyvm

[upbeat cradle]

Weapon upgrade was like 1.5% dps increase, while guidon and gaze were 0.6 each

[tame notch]

Sooo what is the fastest way to get shards from rituals? Spamming T1 or T5?

[astral axle]

Eventually they will drop slightly more often from t5. But it isn't 100%.

For now t1s

but once the hotfix goes maybe t5 if you want them from rituals exclusively? who knows. most people will do the 100% chance drop sources.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/100-drop-rate-on-ascendant-voidshards-starting-tomorrow-381595?utm_source=discord-webhook

[potent frigate]

Are those not 100% drop from m+? I believe I read they're. Just ran a +12 and got one. Ran another +12 and did not get one.

[hazy breach]

Will be soonTM

[potent frigate]

I thought they already did it, but I guess I was mistaken

[raw frost]

guys do you know the option in WOW

where you , when you change target you target the one that casts

automatically :d

like smart targeting

[iron ledge]

there is no option needed, its how it works

iirc

[raw frost]

ah ok d;

[fossil forge]

after spamming a ungodly amount of rituals i am almost done with all the sets

[deep wagon]

hey guys, in wowhead in the macro section says that I can't macro light company guidon with my burst macro because it needs to be used one second before shadow dance, does anyone can explain me why?

[grizzled hornet]

its takes a sec for the server to update the haste for Deepening shadows

[finite hedge]

haste takes up to second to increase dance duration\

[grizzled hornet]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[short radish]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[short radish]

Hm its in the faq

[deep wagon]

thx

[lilac stag]

Stop with the lies

[short radish]

It is though

[sharp seal]

soo...
1 shard from 5 heroic voidspire bosses
2 shards from 4 bountifull T11
and ~1hr in T1 site with a friend

[vale pine]

nice

[rain kernel]

so the 100% patch up isnt out yet?

[sharp seal]

no, not yet

they said they will notify HF is out separately

[stiff stirrup]

What gif

[grizzled bay]

3 +11 delve, zero shards

[void ocean]

EU?

[grizzled bay]

US

[void ocean]

isnt US patched

[lilac stag]

they’re suppose to announce when it’s live

[void ocean]

whaa u guys aint patched either

ffs

[grizzled bay]

oh, tks

[void ocean]

slow ass blizz

[weak vector]

Even if it gets patched, something will be still be broken and fucked like usual

[lilac stag]

maybe they’re actually testing something for once

[void ocean]

yea, no

[weak vector]

No, they're just waiting for the Claude code credits

[cinder roost]

Perhaps a silly question, I have 823 haste (pbox enjoyer) but the sim is telling met to just slam recrafts in to crit/mast. Is this expected behaviour? I presume as the sim plays global perfect it can afford to drop some haste but it's suggestion is down to 616 haste?

I assume this is an ignore angle and always hit breakpoint?

[lilac stag]

You have too much haste

800 is for human error

and 3 kids reaction time

[sour horizon]

" (pbox enjoyer) "
You need help

[cinder roost]

#subtlety message i was just going off this tbh

[sour horizon]

800? isnt it 700

[pliant canopy]

700 is the goal. I have 725 and it’s smooth af

[lilac stag]

823 isn’t 800

you all overcapping haste

[sour horizon]

oh without Guidon

[lilac stag]

684 is the guidon number. 700 is meant to make it comfy. 725 is a waste

[marble raven]

I have 700 flat

[lilac stag]

This isn’t 700 is the goal, well 725 must be better.

[marble raven]

Does someone know if it’s still slightly better to use flatstone (or smth like that) on mainhand instead of oil ?

[void ocean]

what does the flatstone give

[sour horizon]

stones are super underbudget atm and basically useless

[lilac stag]

587 is the actual required number. 684 gives you .4s margin

[hazy breach]

Adamantite sharpening stone yes

[marble raven]

Read somewhere the +4 dmg made it slightly better buy maybe bugged

[hazy breach]

Not the current ones

[marble raven]

Ty

[paper trail]

So back to thalassian oil?

[lilac stag]

Use one oil and one adamantite assuming you don’t need haste from 2x oils

[timid rose]

Adamantite MH, Oil OH

[lilac stag]

Or regem to need haste from 2x oil

It’s all really minor

[void ocean]

im perfectly attuned to cheaper oil 😄

have like 702 haste with 2x

[swift tinsel]

Rip

[upbeat cradle]

oh here comes the daily bot

[lilac stag]

<@&224906552333697025>

[alpine wraith]

slammed

[sour horizon]

wtf was that

[alpine wraith]

someone got bamboozled

[swift tinsel]

Homie got hacked

[alpine wraith]

tried to get free nitro

[swift tinsel]

Poor link follower

[sour horizon]

oh first time ive seen one pop up real time

[obsidian crag]

finally

[tidal solstice]

This set would look so much cooler without the butt cape mini skirt

[lilac stag]

Set is crap. The poofy arms scream court jester to me

[ornate lake]

Real endgame defeated

[cursive tundra]

can someone please explain to me how did I get meleed to death here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GRrZKxkjH8gfa1Q4

[shrewd lantern]

set looks butt

[shrewd lantern]

also male nelf

[cursive tundra]

i legit hate this game sometimes

[astral axle]

ignore the tasteless haters, the set owns.

[cursive tundra]

i have not even hit that fker

he just decided to come up to me and melee me in the face

with tricks on the tank btw

[warm marlin]

was it the frontal

[mint perch]

so u can only upgrade 3 items to 298 or u can do more ? like the oh weap in addition for exemple ?

[lucid jackal]

dies to frontal game sux

[cursive tundra]

no, you can see it was melee

literally meleed me to death

[lucid jackal]

p sure their melees are just frontals

[warm marlin]

ye idk what the frontal damage event is called in logs but it is from their melees

[swift tinsel]

dread lash

[torpid echo]

guys, quick question trying to decide which pants to get, it's either:

Shaggy Wyrmleather Leggings (pit)
Legwraps of Lingering Legacies (spire)

Now I have a doubt in simc the pit pants are labbled as crit haste but in game they give haste mastery, is the sim taking in consideration in game stats or wowhead/db stats?

[swift tinsel]

makes their melees a cone

[cursive tundra]

no, that's void lash

i did die to that earlier so yeah, that's my bad

[warm marlin]

ya ur getting frontaled

[cursive tundra]

but that correctly shows up as void lash

lovely

[shrewd lantern]

this is gonna depend what your other stats are

only downside is spire runs an infinitely higher chance of a brick bonus roll

since the lootpool has 4 bad trinkets

[swift tinsel]

yeh I would not advise rolling spire, just hope from vault if you can

[cursive tundra]

rip

today I learned

[warm marlin]

perma frontal mobs are cringe!

[cursive tundra]

i was just running in to interrupt the fkn nullbeam

or whatever the other two cast

and I found myself gibbed

anyway, we timed the key

just pissed me off

[astral axle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsknecht

Part of the inspiration for the set's design, I presume

[shrewd lantern]

what the fk is that

[swift tinsel]

"Grim Jest" likely jester-inspo

[shrewd lantern]

they already made a good jester set with the dmf set

[swift tinsel]

I mean adding another definitely fits the Sunwell Reclamation and Void Invasion Stopping raid tier if you ask me

[cursive tundra]

thanks for explaining

today I learned

[shrewd lantern]

i need to farm more marl

Also why do they inflate the lootpools

[final crypt]

Hey guys , is the best upgrading 298 first weap as sub rogue or trinket ?

[swift tinsel]

imagine not having tens of thousands of marl

[shrewd lantern]

with seperate drops like judgement legs vs skirt

you have no place wearing judgement

[tame notch]

Mh > trinkets > oh

[shrewd lantern]

if you dont want the skirt

[warm marlin]

i ate like 3 of those autos as dk in a 20 and lived

good times

[final crypt]

why is a lock telling me to go trinket first ? he's dumb?

[swift tinsel]

their loot rules may be different

[shrewd lantern]

probably casters like trinkets more

[swift tinsel]

as caster

[tame notch]

Cuz he is lock not rogue

[swift tinsel]

melee scale hard off main hand wep dmg

[shrewd lantern]

weapon is higher for every melee

caster weapons are just stat sticks

[final crypt]

thx brothers

[shrewd lantern]

ableit, one of the highest sticks

[swift tinsel]

ye literally never take advice from casters ever they play a different game

[shrewd lantern]

Casters afk

[tame notch]

This +

[shrewd lantern]

and complain when they have to do one mechanic

ever

[cursive tundra]

just reroll to plate

[swift tinsel]

ye getting them to actually bait properly is mission impossible they wanna be way the fuck off wherever else

[shrewd lantern]

its just the dk special

ignore every mechanic

live anyway

[warm marlin]

dont get me started again

[shrewd lantern]

ryldd are you human on yours?

extra cc break

[swift tinsel]

ours complained about being wheelchair the other night

and I went offffffff

[shrewd lantern]

[warm marlin]

no im nelf to immune more mechanics bro

[shrewd lantern]

i mean human immunes some mechanics

[swift tinsel]

yeah wheelchair class having a short cd 100% movespeed for what 20 seconds?

[shrewd lantern]

but real

[swift tinsel]

with 2 charges

[warm marlin]

the solar beam guys in skyreach and the glaive guys in MT

ams -> nelf -> ams

[swift tinsel]

that also makes you immune to knockback and slows

[shrewd lantern]

yeah as long as rider dk is meta

[warm marlin]

lens flare on last boss skyreach

[shrewd lantern]

""wheelchair"

[swift tinsel]

even paladin has lost their wheelchair status with double horse and freedom sprint

[warm marlin]

my p3 knockback group on lura is me on fdk and 2 priests

[shrewd lantern]

can you play double horse with current talent dist

[warm marlin]

we are actually wheelchair

[shrewd lantern]

ok thats because of 2 priests

not the dk

[warm marlin]

fdk is slow

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[shrewd lantern]

ig yeah

i dislike frost personally

[warm marlin]

and you need to use all your DAs in p2

to spread properly

[shrewd lantern]

i like larping as a necro

[swift tinsel]

unholy my favorite rp spec in the game

being a legit necro finally

[shrewd lantern]

they finally started making

actual necro esque tier sets

for them imo

[warm marlin]

idk i like unholy because you dont play the game

but fdk is much more what i like

gameplay wise

[swift tinsel]

my all-time fav fantasy archetype

[shrewd lantern]

i think before this

the last skirt dk set we had was

[swift tinsel]

yeah I kinda fuck with fdk more than unholy gameplay-wise

[shrewd lantern]

tier 14?

undermine set went unreasonably hard

for no reason

[warm marlin]

spam proccing important stuff with offgcd generators and giga haste in cds

then sloth gameplay outside

[swift tinsel]

unholy I feel like I have infinite sudden doom and overcap festering stacks bc I can't spend them fast enough before needing to refresh scythe lol

[shrewd lantern]

"im melee"

afk in range spamming putrefy

ok dud

also devourer is wild being able to move while casting 90% of the kit

besides collapsing star

[swift tinsel]

honestly that parts kinda fine bc star is their dmg

[warm marlin]

nah there are reasons to dislike dev

if you could not cast devour while moving

there would be a worldwide meltdown

[swift tinsel]

beam and star rooting you makes sense

[shrewd lantern]

well beam roots havoc

so i never minded

ig

[warm marlin]

vray is longer

[swift tinsel]

ye

[warm marlin]

and cstar is very long

playing that spec is actual suffering

[shrewd lantern]

cstar is what a 4 sec csat

but hits like an atom bomb

[warm marlin]

every dungeon in the pool spam spawns swirls under you

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

ye til you get super stacks haste

[shrewd lantern]

gonna be very funny

in the last tier

when ilvls be dummy

[swift tinsel]

I feel like the moment that spec isn't busted people gonna drop it fast

havoc rise up

[shrewd lantern]

havoc is already

[swift tinsel]

even tho havoc actually quite good

[shrewd lantern]

really good

[warm marlin]

havoc is so much better than dev on lura

its not even funny

[torpid echo]

I want more mastery than crit cuz I'm doig more m+ and proging dragons, but I was just wondering if the sim is seeing the pit pants with mastery or not mostly
@swift tinsel

[shrewd lantern]

bruh dragons is a pad boss

cant change my mind on that

[torpid echo]

it is, but mast goes brrrrrrr there x)

[shrewd lantern]

as soon as your glooms stop fucking up boss dies

though idk even on patchwerk my sim goes heavy mast rn

i dont question why i just follow it

[native zodiac]

we are so back

😎

[shrewd lantern]

wtf are the shoes mogged for

i swear the ankles make it hard to match

[finite hedge]

290 wtf

[native zodiac]

bis

[shrewd lantern]

i mean the druid in my guild is 289 without upgrades

it dont match the rest of the mog what the helly

[torpid echo]

I do the same, to me if I add a second target or I sim dungeon slice he wants MORE mastery

[swift tinsel]

shows them as haste/mastery for me idk

[shrewd lantern]

lowkey why the lfr/hc colors of the boots are the best/ grey ankle pieces easiest to fit into other looks

avoidance on pants

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'm basically immortal

[shrewd lantern]

i only got indest

least i save some repair mone

ig

[lucid jackal]

Devourer was v good on early prog but its ability to pad doesn't really matter much anymore

Esp cuz everybody plays 2+ dks on that fight now

makes crystal damage way less tight

[sacred jewel]

did 6 m10s and only got 1 shard, why isn't the hotfix live yet smh

[lilac stag]

You’re now known as Two-Boots

[plush roost]

We killed it last night with 8 people dead on the first intermission

Actually joke fight xd

[swift tinsel]

link your sim I wanna see the simc input

please

[torpid echo]

dmed to not spam links here

[plush roost]

The fringed pants are timewalking/m0

The shaggy ones were updated to drop from m+

[torpid echo]

oh shit, the names are different

[plush roost]

Yep

[swift tinsel]

yeah noticed they're both searchable in Top Gear

[torpid echo]

will rerun, ty

[plush roost]

They has crit haste pants already in the pool so they made pit pants haste mast

[river pelican]

how much haste do i want with guidon?

[shrewd lantern]

i mean havoc is literally a shining example

of people saying once you make a ranged spec the melee one becomes a bystander

even if its good

[swift tinsel]

I mean they also made devourer omega busted to start the season

but look at survival atm

now that it actually functions

mostly

[west tide]

dev is just too good like aoe and st same goddam talent trees

[shrewd lantern]

havoc is like pretty damn strong

[west tide]

its gonna be a weird one to balance

[shrewd lantern]

sub is almost same talent trees

its just kind of butt

[west tide]

they got the shadow priest problem

[shrewd lantern]

[west tide]

like overtuned or dog

[plush roost]

I disagree

[astral axle]

Or alternatively https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/panes-paning/

anyway paned sleeves are more than "jester lol" you absolute rubes

[median sigil]

so i read the spell itself but does atrophic posions apply to all boss damage? cause it just says 3.6% less damage

[swift tinsel]

it literally has Jest in the name of the set

[lucid jackal]

Almost all

[astral axle]

What is in a name

[lucid jackal]

It works on all damage sources from the target, which comes with some asterisks on specific bosses/mechanics

[plush roost]

You can tune devour so that eradicate and voidray are youer predominant aoe damage but lack tremendously in st, you can tune Hunt to be your ST monster button, make reap decent, make voidblade decent.

[lucid jackal]

Like on mythic alleria, the copys that she summons aren't alleria herself, so it doesn't work

[swift tinsel]

you sound like the philosophy majors I hated talking to in undergrad

[lean sigil]

boys how is evis damage so high for this dude? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Bb7qahYMwzyx4XnC?fight=25&type=damage-done&source=426

[median sigil]

ok thank you just wanted to make sure. been having a chat with my rl about it and he thought it was just physical boss damage like the swings and whatnot. so the thought was its not good to bring to raid cause magic damage or whatever

[swift tinsel]

and yes I know its shakespeare

[plush roost]

They literally just have to split devours damage up so that your ST roto is not also your aoe roto

[astral axle]

Guess what one of my majors was!

[plush roost]

If u ignore P1 it looks normal. P1 just has biggus damage amps

[swift tinsel]

the vegan crossfitters of majors

[lilac stag]

That’s not very philosophical of you. More religious cult like.

[median sigil]

so for the twin dragons should i be switching back and forth to apply to both or does that matter? we are past dragons but asking for like maybe future clears or whatever

[lucid jackal]

It dont matter

You dont optimize anything around atro, you just let it happen

Some bosses itll be better than paladin aura, some bosses itll be worse

thats all

[median sigil]

ok thanks again. just wanted to make sure i wasnt trolling my raid team by not doing that lol

[astral axle]

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than dreamt of in your philosophy"

FWIW I'm just putting on airs to be obnoxious. I do like the set though. But it gives me "aristocracy/fancy fantasy fencer" more than court jester. No accounting for taste, I guess

[lilac stag]

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid

[astral axle]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-han-solo-died-gif-14892410

[zenith shard]

where would you spend bonus roll at this point?

[lilac stag]

Nothing about rogues says aristocrat to me. Our raid buff is a joke. Benched RWF for how many bosses? Just a joke to blizz. Jester fits. Not aristocrat.

[warm marlin]

havoc seems to just do more st and more aoe

[west tide]

i almost gaslit my team on lura that my numbing poison was making the glaives slower

i said dude look at them

and they were like hol on

[random mason]

myth alleria

[zenith shard]

sadly my guild if far from that, still progressing on dragons, should I do hc instead?

[median sigil]

im using mine on chimaerus cause i still need a mythic gaze

[astral axle]

It is remarkable that they design the tier set based upon their planned balancing and class design for the tier, very compelling.

[warm marlin]

prob npx and craft boots or something

crafted neck gotta be better than alleria neck on champ

[lilac stag]

Nah. Just consistent with “this class is a joke”

[astral axle]

It really isnt that bad

[lilac stag]

They destroyed dps coming out of beta and m0 to after 9 weeks bring then numbers basically back there. New hero talent lasted 13 days on NA.

Enjoy the not that bad circle jerk.

[astral axle]

Ah yes

[lilac stag]

the haste breakpoint design is fucked

[astral axle]

Someone isn't as livid with the state of design as me

they must be in a circle jerk!

[lilac stag]

Was bad enough on outlaw. Managed to make it worse on Sub.

[narrow shadow]

Aristocratic is the right word. We are not strong or particularly useful.

[lilac stag]

Don’t project.

[astral axle]

What are you if not bitter?

[alpine wraith]

tbh dont think we are just fuming mad scream crying just

kinda sad it keeps happening

and then left there for a bit

then maybe 1 or 2 aura buffs or some changes

[lilac stag]

I’m not bitter. It’s what this class is. Every tier. This was the best rogue as a whole had had for a beta cycle. Which isn’t saying much.

[alpine wraith]

yea we actually didnt have 2 or 3 NYI

[astral axle]

I mean I'm not saying the design of rogue is perfect. But we're performing fine. I have fun playing it. When you say "we're an absolute joke and blizzard designs things just to acknowledge what a forgotten about joke we are"

[alpine wraith]

almost 2 weeks before release

[astral axle]

I mean

It is a little hyperbolic

[alpine wraith]

well performing fine is cool but being not the most useful at anything

is not that fun for some

[lilac stag]

It took 2 months to get rogue to mid / above mid after they gutted the dps. Still not desired at all on a fight that should actually want our raid utility.

You’re confusing “it’s ok” with them being clueless to their balancing and design

[astral axle]

I don't think arguing with you really tends to go towards anyone's benefit historically.

So I doubt we'll really agree on a sense of reality here

[lilac stag]

a redone talent makes it 2 weeks. If that’s not a circle jerk idk what is.

amazing design. Let’s double and triple down on how bad it is for both specs. Here’s a new button to press. All fixed.

[warm marlin]

am I cooked or does mfd not fix the vast majority of DS issues

like my number one reason to dislike it is getting parried

which isnt really ds fault

[limber folio]

@warm marlin are you scoping me out

[warm marlin]

huh

[limber folio]

[warm marlin]

wym

[limber folio]

nothing

[warm marlin]

wait are you talking about twitch

[limber folio]

maybe

[alpine wraith]

hmm

[warm marlin]

you mentioned p3 prog i wanted to see how you were doing apparently it opened ur stream at the top thing on wcl

i didnt even know it was signed in like that

[native crag]

Has rogue always been one of the lowest played classes by %? I honestly dont remember despite having played since vanilla

[limber folio]

yes

[warm marlin]

ig i was scoping you out

[native crag]

Wonder why, the class fantasy seems cool (biased I guess)

[swift tinsel]

pain in the ass to level, very contingent on damage

[alpine wraith]

dont worry rogue was not the lowest when monk came out

or evoker now

wef dont talk about dh or dk

[swift tinsel]

if aug weren't meta they'd probs be below us in key population

[left ledge]

because historically rogue has been garbage and has competed with gear that better classes have wanted

[swift tinsel]

but not by much

[alpine wraith]

aug is just so useful

[lilac stag]

We have a raid buff. Dk doesn’t. Dk tuning is imperative.

[alpine wraith]

it is like having running water in your house

[swift tinsel]

yeah even when its not really strong its still quite good

their toolkit is insane

[alpine wraith]

vs having to walk 40 mins to the well

they need to make more bosses with tons of adds that are spead and cant be gripped that way we will get invi oh wait no just ranged boss and we get sat too kekw

[swift tinsel]

rescue root break/mover, omnicleanse, lust, hp increase, zephyr, time spiral/spatial

knockup, knockback

plus you just give people 3% crit plus main stat

vers from empower casts

[limber folio]

you CAN continue @warm marlin

[graceful osprey]

Well during the early days of wow, rogue leveling wasn’t too bad at least from my experience during classic

[warm marlin]

i swear it wasn't like that

[limber folio]

[warm marlin]

it was the wcl page

[limber folio]

huh

what actually?

[swift tinsel]

now rogue leveling is annoying bc all your power and energy talents are in the bottom of each tree

[warm marlin]

yes lol

[limber folio]

[warm marlin]

the twitch stream is a bit obvious at work

wcl much less so

[limber folio]

lul

[alpine wraith]

depends really everything was krangled back then

[lilac stag]

Everything was bad to level in vanilla. Everything else evolved.

[alpine wraith]

most of us took some months to lvl

[wintry heart]

I rolled a DK after getting 3400 on rogue so I could play the game on easy mode. Their wowhead guide actually says they don’t bring any utility to m+ lol

[alpine wraith]

people didnt even realize best way to lvl was just killing mobs

for a bit

[graceful osprey]

But when you get a new main hand during classic felt soooo good

[warm marlin]

i come back to pump the viewcount

[alpine wraith]

getting the trashblade or any of the iconic 1h

was peak

[warm marlin]

we support grassroots

[alpine wraith]

yea man sometimes i get the random 10 viewers

[foggy estuary]

The most i enjoyed rogue was in legion 🫠

[alpine wraith]

legion was cool

if you ignored the legendary drama

[foggy estuary]

Dfa was the coolest move ever and ill die on that hill

[alpine wraith]

that made me unable to play rogues for 2 seasons

4 rogues none hit any decent combo of 4 leggos

[swift tinsel]

I'm a little sad I missed most of legion but not sad about missing that part

[foggy estuary]

I have all the legos in my bank, hording them like an auti😆

[alpine wraith]

so i had to go spriest

and play surrender to cuckness

[graceful osprey]

I think just about every new finisher that blizzard added got removed eventually

[swift tinsel]

Shadow reflection or whatever it was called

[obsidian crag]

is the void thing still dropping from ritual sites or has it been hotfixed already?

[alpine wraith]

popping surrender early and staying on the ground for 2mins

[swift tinsel]

now we have many clones

[alpine wraith]

watching people play

[vale pine]

secret technique still exists

so they did not remove that

black powder too

[alpine wraith]

ye

[swift tinsel]

bte still around as well

[foggy estuary]

Dfa rogue was nuclear launch sequence to parse good if i remember correct. Not very forgiving, far from midnight 4 button rog

[swift tinsel]

rtb got changed from a finisher but still exists

recuperate gone

[vale pine]

bfa had the intention to "reset" specs

basically bring them down to the baseline

[limber folio]

https://tenor.com/view/hachiware-chiikawa-happy-stimpy-flapping-arms-gif-82452333563293721

[vale pine]

so xpacs can build on it

[foggy estuary]

Wasnt outlul a big thing in bfa?

[vale pine]

is the guarantee drop from m+/etc already live

[graceful osprey]

I’d honestly liked to have a few more finishers

[vale pine]

outlaw had a completely busted azerite talent ye

[foggy estuary]

Ye i member correct

[swift tinsel]

I haven't heard, the blue post said later in the day today NA but if that's based on blizz hq local time its still 10:46am

[vale pine]

ye

[swift tinsel]

so could be a while yet if its not live

[vale pine]

i assume it isn't

[foggy estuary]

Never played it, fuck that spec. No disrespec to outlul bros but sorry that aint a rogue spec🙃

[vale pine]

i just finished the quest

so unlocked the chances

maybe time to do some ritual sites

[swift tinsel]

I was able to finish 2 cores in roughly 3 hours

[foggy estuary]

Its not live afaik, wait on hc clears

[swift tinsel]

between lfr delves and tier 1 ritual runs

[vale pine]

we will do some quick 12s tomorrow

[swift tinsel]

maybe a little under 3 hrs

[vale pine]

for cores

[foggy estuary]

I did 5 already and realised its not live 🥲

[swift tinsel]

if anything do tier 1 ritual sites bc they haven't nerfed the drop rate yet

if they even end up nerfing it

[grizzled bay]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

and it costs no lockouts or keys/resources to do

and lfr

then do the guaranteed ones when theyre live in heroic/mythic/keys/bountifuls

[foggy estuary]

Ill put baby to sleep and spam lfr and ritsites. Need to upgrade mh and gaze before raid tomo otherwise i wont make rl proud

[vale pine]

don't think they will

[swift tinsel]

ye I think the current drop rate from the tier 1's is fine

esp if they're making tier 5's guaranteed (nvm they're not guaranteed, just higher rate)

[west tide]

i think they said they are

In all other content not listed above, (e.g. Ritual Sites Tiers 1-4) the drop rates of Ascendant Voidshards will be reduced.

so likely less than what it is now

[swift tinsel]

yeah mb I thought they included 5's in the guaranteed list

[west tide]

but thats fine since itll be easier to get

[swift tinsel]

but they're just increased rate from whatever the rate is for 1's atm

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

will just kinda accumulate them from the keys I was gonna run anyways for my 3rd and 4th core

which I'm not in a rush for bc its offhand and hero guidon

[warm marlin]

surely this hotfix comes out before our raid time right

I will not have to grind tier 1 ritual sites for another 8 shards

[swift tinsel]

I could see it going live in the next 3-4 hours

maybe

[warm marlin]

whospar pin says 730 est

[limber folio]

just a guestimate

[swift tinsel]

buttpull timer

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel is there a calendar anywhere to see when the void delve that was good for leveling is up?

[swift tinsel]

I've looked around for one but haven't been able to find any

I feel like its almost if not every sunday, but the rotation doesn't seem consistent

[lilac stag]

Which story was it?

[swift tinsel]

with the day(s) in between

Calamitous

[vale pine]

i did 4 now, and got 0

[ripe flame]

Back to the t1 mines

[vale pine]

hmm

[warm marlin]

I missed on 11 in a row yesterday

a group member got 3 in that time

[swift tinsel]

its def a variable drop rate from them

anecdotally I was getting 1 every 6-15 iirc

[ripe flame]

Same

[swift tinsel]

with 15 being the longest streak not getting one

[ripe flame]

My dryest run was like 12

[swift tinsel]

did them for ~2hrs

[warm marlin]

the real tech is playing fdk

i can oneshot the end guy before he goes immune

even in a 5man

[swift tinsel]

I just solo stealthed to each big mob and killed them in a sectech

was collecting Supercharged cp's like infinity stones

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin what race for DK?

[swift tinsel]

had max by the time I got to last man lol

[warm marlin]

if you want to push keys nelf

[swift tinsel]

sprint after first apprentice on the right, kill right side then cut through middle then up to the left

for the void men

[warm marlin]

i think its just panda if you're parsemaxxing

like usb

sub

[lilac stag]

Lura basically.

[swift tinsel]

idk what the ritual is today tho this was my first time ever doing them lol

[stray oyster]

are people using finalilty over weapon master in Trickster?

[warm marlin]

panda

[lilac stag]

second best dwarf?

[warm marlin]

actually orc might be better

[fossil forge]

maghar orc gaming

💪

[swift tinsel]

does orc still get increased pet/minion dmg

[warm marlin]

the orc timings are real good on that fight

[warm marlin]

idk maybe

im talking about fdk

[swift tinsel]

ah

[warm marlin]

you wont get your last cd set in p3

so you 90 at pull, 1:30, 3mins, 4:30, 6:10 with lust and pot, 8mins

[lilac stag]

I got bored so I asked if we are going to want a second dk when we get there.

[warm marlin]

and the last 2 cds are damage amped

so orc is prob strong

[warm marlin]

second as in second dps or second dk at all

[vale pine]

hmm

8 ritual sites in

[lilac stag]

Second dps. We have blood tank.

[vale pine]

we sure they drop them?

[warm marlin]

ah ok ok

[little seal]

Hi, Is shadow dance in GCD ? It seems when I try to put 2 shadow dance (when first one will expire) outside lust seems bugged, and the second one seems to take time to go ! thanks in advance

[warm marlin]

triple dk is still really good improvement over 2 atm

[mint perch]

yes it does ^^

[warm marlin]

are you macroing guidon with your shadow dance

[mint perch]

but the droprate is bad ye :/

[swift tinsel]

it can take over a dozen runs to get them

[little seal]

no

[hallow mortar]

me and alleria = blast

my best boss so far 😄

[lilac stag]

Pretend you’re farming legion legendaries. Without the BLP

[timid rose]

Still not 100 drop rate? 🙁

[swift tinsel]

probs not for a few hours

[timid rose]

F.

[swift tinsel]

its still not even noon Blizz time

[warm marlin]

there is a known bug where if you press dance after getting haste but before the duration updates, it will think your dance is still active for the duration it WOULD have been if the haste had worked

and so will prevent you from recasting it

[edgy imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fAud2Fbd2ubGPwqmbiWSWg do i have the right gem s in my sockets ?

[warm marlin]

if you macro guidon this will always happen but maybe you're hitting dance too soon after it or feather or something

idk

[vale pine]

got my 1st one now

9 sounds tough

[swift tinsel]

\o/

[pine swift]

Hey when we have coup de grace ready for a burst do we want to coup de grace before ST (SD-->coup de grace-->ST) ? or use coup de grace before the SD ?

[swift tinsel]

its the fastest repeatable farm atm

with shortest timer per run

so you just kinda have to brute-force it by volume of runs

lfr has a good drop rate, got a number from bountiful delves but wait til the 100% from those is live

[manic island]

so i got a hero lights guidance in vault but its simming worse than puzzlebox/solar at both hero, is it worth to take because it lines up better with cd's?

[swift tinsel]

borderlands has conditioned me to be fine with running the same short stint to kill a boss on repeat

lol

[thorny prairie]

I see you guys say weaponmaster is bugged as sim, when i sim myself the 2nd finality point is higher taht taking weaponmaster that why?

[swift tinsel]

yes, the pins describe why

the talent itself is bugged, that's now reflected in sims

[vale pine]

[swift tinsel]

lol

I had no idea the sites were different from the assaults until yesterday

as I had done zero of either before yesterday

[thorny prairie]

okay but why we took it then ?

[vale pine]

most used keybind

/cancleaura shadow dance

🤣

[swift tinsel]

lmao I have mine in my stealth macro

[subtle aspen]

@plush roost u sim is high too?

[swift tinsel]

cancels dance so I can speedy stealth from big mob to big mob lol

[warm marlin]

The real tech is waiting the restealth cd and cancelaura restealth to refresh fade ms while keeping up shadowrunner

[swift tinsel]

me speedmaxxing

[keen dome]

speed is the only thing that matters

[timid rose]

Honestly why can't I just stealth while the buff is up is beyond stupid

[swift tinsel]

def do that if I'm not gonna pull something while stealth toggling lol

[abstract vapor]

what sim settings for m+ for sub?

[swift tinsel]

also how I move around the city if I'm not flying lol

[vale pine]

we gaming

[keen dome]

nice

Is the hotfix in yet? I assume not.

[swift tinsel]

not yet

[grizzled bay]

05/13 has 24hrs

[swift tinsel]

I imagine they'll blue post or something

saying its live

[timid rose]

Gunna slide it in at 23:59:59 pst

[keen dome]

Yeah

I imagine it'll go live later on but I want it noooow

[swift tinsel]

I need to finish my last 140 delves for the 1k achieve

[keen dome]

I've done all my other weekly chores

[subtle aspen]

what

[keen dome]

Mythic kills done, dungeons done, crests done, weeklies done..

[swift tinsel]

you can toggle stealth off then back on to keep this buff up

[vale pine]

nope

[swift tinsel]

so you're always +20% movespeed

[vale pine]

but i am doing ritual sites

so

[swift tinsel]

on top of the +20% movespeed from Shadowrunner

[abstract vapor]

target dummy, 6 bosses, 1 min?

[keen dome]

I wonder how high ilevel I'll be once I do my final crests + the 3 remainng item upgrades..

[shell hollow]

The wording was "tomorrow later in the day"

[keen dome]

Time isn't always linear

[subtle aspen]

u think i can macro something?

[swift tinsel]

time do be a flat circle

[lusty acorn]

guys

i have question

i have 276 myth when i use shard 5 make it 298 already ? or should make it 289 myth and use it ?

[swift tinsel]

it has to be 289

you cannot upgrade it to 298 until its 6/6 upgraded via crests

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1065560796492472332/1504046354660458637/image.png?ex=6a058fd2&is=6a043e52&hm=18ae54c1ba7b85953854ac2a45e16daece3f9d7024de274a9b6037a2e0209c04&

the specific wording of the item.

[rancid crow]

If I wanted to run shrouded in darkness talent, what are top three talents I could give up that wouldn’t hurt my damage too much? I use it a ton with my friends, and they love the speed boost, plus an extra sprint and pack skipping is nice

[hazy breach]

Finality or veiltouched

[swift tinsel]

not EE?

if they're chill keys

[hazy breach]

Fair ee is probably better to give up

I was moreso thinking of the worst dps points

[swift tinsel]

for weekly keys you lost a little leech/dr but damage in those keys is meh

[vale pine]

Alright, what i learned doing ritual sites:

• Please let me use stealth in dance.
• Why do certain mobs not reset when you use vanish.
• Shadow step maxxing sucks.
• Stairs are Rogue's natural enemy.
• Not everything that looks "jump able" is.
• Mounting is sometimes faster.
• Don't start the end boss without cooldowns.

[sharp seal]

[swift tinsel]

the no stealth in/from dance thing reminds me of windwalker not being able to mount for a few seconds after casting Fists of Fury

just a very annoying little quirk

[warm marlin]

nah the stairs in that place are evil on any class

[patent ermine]

Blizzard being run by seals "or or or or"

[nocturne tendon]

don't forget the dragonhawk circles bait

[swift tinsel]

stairs in the ZA ritual site are pure evil

[hazy breach]

I have a cancelaura macroed in stealth, but yeah it's silly

[swift tinsel]

ye same

[warm marlin]

the dragonhawk can also brick if you pull it too fast

and you need to die to fix it

[swift tinsel]

wait what

[warm marlin]

if you instapull it as it spawns it is just bugged

[swift tinsel]

ohhh

are there different instances or is it always the same

[molten hull]

I legit made a cancel shadow dance macro just so i could restealth because of how fast i was clearing them

[warm marlin]

always the same per location

[swift tinsel]

(I know very, very little)

ah

I've only done the one yesterday in ZA in the south portion

[warm marlin]

the naga one is much nicer to me on dk

its all so central

and you just put up path of frost and walk on the water

[swift tinsel]

the ZA one felt very easy, just cleared right side then down middle then left side and up to the dragonhawk/boss

idk if I'll do any ever again after the bugfix though lol

the t2 recolor gamba doesn't seem worth

[forest moss]

on mythic crown p1, when we're holding cds for 10secs or so - is it worth still sending an evis during those 10 secs using up a supercharger?

[molten hull]

Is it lame for a guardian druid to take alleria neck (eternal voidsong chain) over a dps or is that fine

[empty anchor]

that is lame

[molten hull]

Yea i feel pretty upset but w/e

XD

[vale pine]

some more notes:

• Secret cd is too high, sometimes holding is better for fast clears.
• Some one, NOT ME, did not realize you can take a certain shortcut, so this someone, NOT ME, shoudl have looked at the map better.

[rancid crow]

Is first dance still good? It’s such a comfort talent for me lol

[empty anchor]

my macro doesnt work what do you use?

[worn sapphire]

is dungeon slice a good sim for sub

[copper river]

Is anyone using the occlusion of void/omission of light ring combo? How do you like it? Is it worth it?

[earnest crane]

nah i use the AA ring

The light ring and AA ring sims better for me

[chrome palm]

@tribal blade lol

[left ledge]

its good

its near bis

[copper river]

Do you remember if it was ST or aoe?

[left ledge]

everyone has slightly diff profile depending on gear

[earnest crane]

Dung slice

[left ledge]

most important thing is you just hit haste breakpoint then go crit=mast with mastery being more favored in aoe

[copper river]

My sim is saying the double ring combo is better than the AA ring at 289. But it's like 1% maybe.

[earnest crane]

i have 799 haste

[copper river]

What is the haste breakpoint?

[left ledge]

700 for trickster

1100 for DS

700 with guidon that is

800 without

if you want to play puzzlebox go for 800 haste

[earnest crane]

i m playing puzzle box

with 799 haste

[left ledge]

^

[copper river]

Oh shoot, I'm only at ~600 haste. I should have way more?

I'm also using puzzlebox.

[left ledge]

yes you should have 800

[earnest crane]

😄

[left ledge]

consider finding a haste heavy ring or neck

its 800 AFTER buffs

so 800 with flask/oils is ok

yeah these are my non-buff stats

thats guidon though

[alpine wraith]

use slice and dice

[vale pine]

nicu

[copper river]

This is nearly 100 more stat overall total than what I have at 282 ilvl. What am I missing?

[left ledge]

im 288

probably that

[copper river]

Ahh okay

[alpine wraith]

that helps

[molten hull]

I like it for raiding

[alpine wraith]

it is worth it yea

[earnest crane]

what should i remove if i want to play TFD?

[alpine wraith]

finality

[earnest crane]

no way

[copper river]

Is the haste breakpoint just dictated by the deepening shadows talent?

[magic orchid]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[timid pulsar]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1502605720099749898/image.png

[chrome palm]

for trickster yes, deathstalker's breakpoint is a combination of being at a deepening shadows breakpoint and fitting a 2nd secret technique in blades

[summer peak]

currently running 673, should i swap eye of the egale for haste ring enchant

sims are not getting me to 700

[chrome palm]

673 is fine

[steel horizon]

thats with oils?

[chrome palm]

little less room for error just play well

[warm marlin]

650 is playable imo

[shrewd lantern]

pettion to rename this channel to #aremystatsok

[chrome palm]

they made stats so intuitive in midnight 🥰

[magic orchid]

can i priv chat a sub pro for some questions?

[shrewd lantern]

i mean they kind of are

get 700 haste

then whatever

[summer peak]

ya

[steel horizon]

all haste gems?

[summer peak]

ya

haste master

[vale pine]

650 is rly tight

[steel horizon]

i mean its fine. u dont wanna remove eyes of the eagle

[vale pine]

680 is more realistically playable

[chrome palm]

nuh uh

gearing has never be weirder for sub

you get 1 upgrade and suddenly your stat weights are totally different and your droptimizer sims are all over the place

lot of people confused as to why pbox sims higher than guidon for example

[grim wasp]

Wanted to go assa now i get myth guildon

tire of this vault

[shrewd lantern]

can play both

[grim wasp]

just nee myth trink from alguitar and gaze now

[shrewd lantern]

multispeccing has never been easier

[grim wasp]

probably will bonus roll gaze tomorrow confident

[rapid sinew]

wish I could stop getting vers Ilvl upgrades.

[hallow mortar]

first kill of egg

lets go

[shrewd lantern]

vers is kind of fine

unless you get a vers belt

then unrucky

cloak boots and bracers can all be catalyzed better

[plush roost]

Knowing ill never parse beloran because im afk on boss for 45 seconds

[grim wasp]

i go for bonus roll on gaze or in pit of saron

by the way

should i take dual dungeon dagger and discard crafted one?

[hazy breach]

No

[alpine wraith]

hunt is quite fine of an embellish

and oh is the weakest point

[glass rock]

ritual lvl 1 with no challendes drops them shards rights? cause ive done 20 now without one drop xD

[alpine wraith]

damn that is harsh

[hallow mortar]

yeah, im lucky playing in lower guiild

[grim wasp]

dont want myth gaze going in pit of saron for legs and neck hope no belt

[shrewd lantern]

I did 8 and dropped 2.

rng gonna rng

[solar glen]

How many shards can drop in first week?

[swift tinsel]

as many as you want to farm

[lusty solar]

you can get all upgrades

20/20

[edgy imp]

have 298 weapon do i upgrade offhand or myth gaze ?

[solar glen]

I just can farm and upgrade everything on 298 if i want??? Jesus

[shrewd lantern]

its 4 slots

[molten hull]

Upgrade everything

[frosty kettle]

Only trinkets + weapons, but yea

[solar glen]

Ahh

Yeah but i can max all 4

[edgy imp]

yeah thats a given but what order

[solar glen]

Kk thanks guys love u

[molten hull]

Offhand is last on everything, so main hand first then trinkets

[swift tinsel]

mh ->gaze->guidon->oh

[edgy imp]

sick cant wait to upgrade gaze to 298

[west tide]

im doin that too

[shrewd lantern]

ngl if you dont know the order that just means you need to understand

[west tide]

as outlaw

[shrewd lantern]

what slots ilevel is worth more on

[shrewd lantern]

mh has always been the biggest slot for melee

[west tide]

i just learned that oh dps doesnt count for calc

[swift tinsel]

oh ye I should use my 3rd on outlaw mh lol

[molten hull]

I upgraded all 4 last night. Got lucky with t1 rituals lol

[west tide]

i always thought it did cause on stat weights it has OH dps

[shrewd lantern]

i did 2 and saw the bluepost about buffed rates

decided not worth rn

[swift tinsel]

ye I was only planning on speedrunning 2 for mh/gaze

since guidon and oh are piss

[molten hull]

If you're just watching netflix and not doing anything like me thats why i continued even after reading post lol

[swift tinsel]

yeah I watched critical role while farming my second lol

[molten hull]

3 min runs

[shrewd lantern]

was like that too but i'd kill 2 minis and somehow people still havent killed one

[warm marlin]

surely with 40s egg you just send on cd

[swift tinsel]

I just ran them solo

[warm marlin]

the rest of the raid can handle it

[swift tinsel]

being able to stealth run t1 ritual sites is op

[edgy imp]

gonna upgrade gaze today but honestly gonna upgrade puzzle box over guidon my box sims higher for me

[quaint lodge]

can i see the sim

[quaint lodge]

i cannot wait for this boss to be the same as heroic and 1 phased

[limber folio]

8%

p3

[quaint lodge]

so close

[ripe flame]

[shrewd lantern]

surely i get a puzzle for whenever assa gets buffed

3/5 options in AA left

[plush roost]

5% at 1:15 ...

Wat do

[warm marlin]

go next

[vale pine]

8 shards so far

this is terribly slow

[limber folio]

doing rituals?

are you duoing?

[swift tinsel]

tbf its not likely to be intended to be a quickly farmable thing

at least pre-100% guarantee hotfix

[wanton pond]

is 704 haste fine btw

[swift tinsel]

yes

[vale pine]

yes

soloing

its fast enough

[wanton pond]

cuz i noticed i dipped below 700 today on accident but just gemmed back up to 704 lol

[vale pine]

its just, the drop chance is stupid

[plush roost]

I think theyre cooking a full blast hold until 1:20 strat

[swift tinsel]

its fine to be between 684 and 700

[plush roost]

Should be minimal dps hold

[warm pond]

Whats the fastest way to farm the shards?

[wanton pond]

ive been playing for 13 hours

[wide magnet]

@empty horneti'm trying to proc my set bonus but i can't seem to find out how. any advice?

[wanton pond]

only just now got all 4 done 🤣

[limber folio]

idk, i was doing duos and it felt 2x

[plush roost]

Then 2 mins send on bird phase again

[limber folio]

or i mean half the time*

[swift tinsel]

its just pure rng fun

and I use 'fun' ironically

I had streaks yesterday of 2 in 4 runs then went 15 without getting any

[vale pine]

it probably is faster as you can split

[strange chasm]

Do we get the crest discount with myth acheive if we upgrade heroic trinkets to 285?

[limber folio]

yes

[strange chasm]

So say I drop a myth trinket it will then aslong as I have had 2 upgrade to 285 for free

[empty hornet]

have you unlocked Ligma before trying to use it?

[wide magnet]

hmm no

how do i unlock ligma?

[west tide]

….

[vale pine]

i am only farming 10 cores, as we get them guaranteed tomorrow

*shards

[wide magnet]

actually i do hav a question. is new dance macabre per target? if i have enough dance duration do i want to be using unique single target abilities (i.e. 2x gloomblade) on 2 targets

[blazing night]

First time I've accomplished this, so kinda amped about it

crossed 3400 last night!

[wide magnet]

also is coup de grace a unique ability or is it eviscerate

[lime wigeon]

Great job

[alpine wraith]

just evis

[wide magnet]

ty

[vale pine]

nicu

[blazing night]

Yesterday I asked if Elusiveness had any bugs with it right now, does it? Or is it working as intended?

[lilac stag]

Oh > guidon

not significant but the haste still useless

[wide magnet]

does shuriken storm count as an ability that expends shadow techniques when it doesn't actually spend them , for the purposes of our apex talent

[alpine wraith]

you mean apex and depends

if you are full cp it wont proc apex 1 but it can proc apex 3

[wide magnet]

❤️

[vale pine]

cmon game

give me ze void shard

[wide magnet]

farmed 15 of them yday

was fun

[vale pine]

i only do 10

on 9 atm

[quick sable]

Anyone tried getting a ascendants on bosses with lockouts

[glass rock]

do i upgrade gaze or guidion after mh ?

[tiny sable]

It’s so painful to try to get myth chim as a pug

[tidal solstice]

hotfix go live yet?

[vale pine]

both is fine, diffrence is minimal

[swift zinc]

Did they do the hotfix someone know ?

[hushed roost]

They said they'll post about it so

[vale pine]

don't think so

[lofty horizon]

Just finished a T11 like 90 seconds ago and no voidshard so nope

[glass rock]

48 lvl 1 ruins for 2 shards

9/9 lfr 9/9 normal 9/9 hc 1/9 my for 8 shards

[vale pine]

alright

i am done

got this one too

[urban lion]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[peak ice]

How’d you get 12 tokens?

[vale pine]

2 times in a row bad vault

[peak ice]

Oh right

!poisons

Oh

[latent remnant]

lets fucking goooo

[vale pine]

how many ritual sites did you do.
me: yes

[alpine wraith]

lets say some

[peak ice]

Sick

You can buy some hero gear now

[vale pine]

nice

[peak ice]

Maybe like one piece?

[keen dome]

mmmm, forbidden void gummy sweets.

[steel zinc]

ill just do it tomorrow when guaranteed

[wide magnet]

is sectec still positional like if you press it your shadow clones can just get fucked by mobs moving or has shorter range or whatever was the case in df

[vale pine]

i did farm 2 upgrades

we will do mythics tomorrow

so ye

will get the reminding 2 tomorrow probably

[peak ice]

Wish we could upgrade like neck out something as well

[steel zinc]

we raud thursdays so all chill

[vale pine]

is there anything of value you can do with this?

[steel zinc]

ill upgrade my HC gudion XD Will be fun

[vale pine]

i upgraded

and

[azure mauve]

you know its kinda weird that

eu didnt get the hotfix already

[vale pine]

it makes sense

the company is operating in NA

[warm marlin]

true

[vale pine]

and they want to push it later the day

their timezone is "behind" us

it is just annoying

for EU, but eu is used to get the worse deal

[hazy breach]

Not a thing anymore

[unreal ledge]

I finsihed all 4 items, 1 in raid and 3 in ritual sites. better just to wait for the hotfix now

[bitter iris]

i have a champ guidon and havent been able to get heroic version or heroic gaze... should i just use my rolls on puzzle box to at least have something

[late dock]

Hey guys, I need some help. So I just dropped the PoS Crit / haste ring as bonus roll. I am now simming my char, here is the link to the sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cwV1BphYWfCcUhMYtcDNmz
The bot is recommending 750 haste, but shouldnt it be more around 700? I was thinking using the new ring and changing some gems around to get the 700 haste cap

[unreal ledge]

it is very farmable, i say send it if you have time to farm

[bitter iris]

rolls be worth it or just farm the hero version

[unreal ledge]

are ud oing mythic? roll for guidon

[peak ice]

People straight up don’t understand time zones

[bitter iris]

not doing any mythic raids :/ but could try to pug

[naive tapir]

me still cant get it for what we need pump 700 haste if haste needed only for second sectec in sd?

[unreal ledge]

i really dont like pbox so i would just do my best to get guidon

and then upgrade the heroic version

[bitter iris]

i just have terrible luck trying to get those trinkets

and feels bad to use rolls on heroic version

[peak ice]

Heroic version is better than most mythic trinkets

[unreal ledge]

it does feel bad, but if u aren't oding mythic it might be worth it

[warm marlin]

nairda was joking about eu never having to deal with any of the post reset crap that na gets to enjoy

[bitter iris]

fuq if i already ran my heroics then i cant use bonus roll if i rerun it right

[peak ice]

Nope

[naive tapir]

dont do it

[unreal ledge]

it is kidna the whole build imo

[naive tapir]

its waste of coins, lol

[hazy breach]

More globals in shadow dance

[bitter iris]

yeah...

[peak ice]

Why’s it a waste?

[unreal ledge]

u can't roll after u have killed the boss again

[naive tapir]

chimareus already just 1 shot pug, averzian too, just pump vault and play 2/9 m if u wanna trinkets

[hasty forum]

do you only get to upgrade 4 items with the void cores or say i upgrade all 4 items then pick up a mythic version can i upgrade that later?

[hazy breach]

There's no cap

Just upgrade your stuff

[verbal kelp]

Can you upgrade as many items to 298 as you want, but you can only wear 3 at once?

[unreal ledge]

after hotfix the item is free

[pulsar flame]

how long is shadow dance window?

6s or 8s?