subtlety

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade did you reclear paladins?

[tribal blade]

i'm not even in for paladins 😉

my dropto % uppy on the boss was low

[urban stag]

currently sat at 740 haste feels perfect

[tribal blade]

so i didn't get put in

my RL is trying to maximize loot uppies, i don't blame him

[solid lotus]

yeah, theyre different buttons haha, i keep hitting my guidon button then across the keyboard to dance macro

idk maybe ill drink less white monster

for this white monster

[hazy breach]

or more

[tribal blade]

but i did get to watch them wipe a LOT because our healers kept dying

[lilac stag]

Starting extending with no vault.

[dire forum]

so whats the versa % needed

[tribal blade]

NAUURRWW

[lilac stag]

best raid buff ever

[hazy breach]

Tbf this tier you can extend on lura/beloren and still get vaults

[tribal blade]

ideally as low as possible, but seems like some sims want a bit of vers

[hazy breach]

Just do an "optional" voidspire clear

[lilac stag]

Kinda hard when you get sat for paladins and chim

[sour horizon]

sat for Chim 🙁

[tribal blade]

there are top parsing players running items with vers on them like catalyzed cloak

it's not a big deal

[hazy breach]

Ideally you'd have no vers, but its better to have more ilvl and vers than less ilvl

[small sleet]

You need a little bit of vers to feed the reck pot or it gets hungry

[hazy breach]

so

[tribal blade]

holy shit you're right

[lilac stag]

Why would I take a slot and possible vault from someone when Chim has no upgrades

[fiery fog]

„Optional“ = required

[tribal blade]

i dunno how that even didn't cross my mind

[sour horizon]

oh you got Gaze GG

[lilac stag]

Vers has snuck up in value for me.

[urban stag]

have any talents change for aoe st since new patch

?

[fiery fog]

We dont reclear until we kill lura to try and get into hof
Luckily ive gotten alleria neck from vault today

[lilac stag]

Went from being nothing worthy to almost as good as crit in ST

[plush roost]

@hazy breach having done a few keys as sub last night i believe the impact and value of the buff is more than 3.5% in keys

[tribal blade]

that sounds big nice

[hazy breach]

Yeah since youre holding blades sometimes

[paper trail]

Wait why are u holding blades ?

[tribal blade]

i ran a 17 nexus and sub felt very good

[hazy breach]

Well youre not sending blades when a pack has 20% left

[tribal blade]

esp the boss dammy

[paper trail]

ah yeye

[hazy breach]

And wasting half of it

[small sleet]

Unironically I’m doing at least 10% more purely because less of our damage is based around blades

[tribal blade]

playing cloud also meant holding blades led to bigger dps loss

[plush roost]

I could find way more damage too

[tribal blade]

similar to TWW sub

[plush roost]

I was just experimenting

[hazy breach]

Cloud cover was less impactful in AoE to begin with as strikes are more impactful than storms

[plush roost]

But my mastery is low

[tribal blade]

mm true

[drifting ether]

The buff plus switching over to more mastery gave way more than 3.5%

[plush roost]

And i didnt use secondary stat pot either

[hazy breach]

Shouldve been stacking mastery for aoe anyway even before this

[hazy breach]

Smh my head

[plush roost]

Yeah forgor

[small sleet]

He hate doing big damage…

[hazy breach]

Did you try the no danse setup

Or just regular

[plush roost]

Not yet i did that last week

It seemed okay

[tribal blade]

x2 finality?

[hazy breach]

Yeah, it sims better in big aoe, but obviously worse in ST

[tribal blade]

ahhh

[lethal thorn]

quick question with the changeback to our old talent does it rechange the bis list to the old one ?

[plush roost]

I think as my crit will get lower and mastery higher it wont be worth

Maybe in pit/maisara

[empty bobcat]

love the recent tuning so far, all my parses shot up and dropping cloud is a blessing

[weak vector]

Rolled 98 on Gaze, got beat by 99, then bonus rolled the other trinket. Ive bonus rolled everything but gaze lol. RIP

[plush roost]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LTPVWvrg1Kqabtz8?fight=46&type=damage-done&phase=3&targetclass=Boss

If u wanna look

[toxic lantern]

Quick question.
When I’m doing my burst, I use Light Company Guidon, then about 1 second later I pop Shadow Blades and Shadow Dance, then Secret Technique. I use my second Dance during Shadow Blades, which fires off Secret Technique again.

My question is: when I’m coming out of the burst window, I often have a Shadow Dance coming off cooldown, but Secret Technique is still on cooldown for 10–12 seconds. Should I use that Shadow Dance, or wait?

If I use it, my Shadow Dance and Secret Technique will be delayed by about 3 seconds the next time they’re both ready together. What’s the correct play?

[plush roost]

Big crank

[tribal blade]

i've been using sin to do any sort of high key, but might use more sub now

[hazy breach]

You wait for sectech, you have 2 charges of dance so you are literally not losing anything holding

[tribal blade]

if it's able to do bigger numbers now

[small sleet]

Need charrend to put away the sub rogue and go back to the other specs already

[lethal thorn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[empty bobcat]

never use sectec without dance but its fine to use dance without sectec - meaning, if your sectec comes off cd but your dance is not rdy you are probably missing out some dps

[plush roost]

Kinda regret not taking lura neck now

Ts is fire

[empty bobcat]

at least thats how I do it

[plush roost]

I think outlaw is better tho

[small sleet]

Bro sub is so fun in m+ this season

Yeah it is, but like, sub competes pretty well now at least

Enough that people stopped asking me why I dont play outlaw

[tribal blade]

do you have a rough % on how much better

[plush roost]

Pure vibes, probably makes your key 30-45 seconds faster

[tribal blade]

mmmm damn

[plush roost]

Outlaw does have rtb rng tho

[tribal blade]

that's pretty significant

[plush roost]

Just damage profile

[hollow spear]

Your parses shouldn't have anything to do with tuning 😅

[tribal blade]

yeah i think i'm gonna do sub keys now

fuck sin

no more puzzlebox

[empty bobcat]

why? I often fkd up the cloud like pop it then have to run out, also we got a decent buff so its logical they are better no?

[plush roost]

Strangely i think sub in phys comp is quite good since the prio of arms and feral in packs is fairly good

[small sleet]

Yeah playing with arms is a fuckin game changer

[tribal blade]

omg there's an entire video now LOL

[lilac stag]

I give it 24 hours

[plush roost]

Yeah uh, i have a feeling its gonna be better in m+

[tribal blade]

NOOO

[tribal blade]

NOOOOO

insert vader gif

i'm too lazy to tab to google to find it

imagine it

in your heads

[plush roost]

Need a myth pbox to actually experiment

[lilac stag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-punisher-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no--k01KQYK3FDD2TT972SSWNWAYEMT

[tribal blade]

i have a hero one only

[small sleet]

I think the moral victory of not using puzzy b saves at least a minute on your key

[tribal blade]

but i have 4 pieces to get off AA and 4 rerolls left to use

so i guaranteed get myth puzzle this week

[plush roost]

Idk ive never had an issue with the box ngl

[haughty heart]

Feather Heroic or Myth gloves? I have Heroic gloves equipped and Heroic Solar trinket (crit)

[tribal blade]

today in AA i cast puzzle behind the pillar on 1st miniboss platform as he was doing the aoe cast

[empty bobcat]

well its fun to have your trinket synch with your CD thats why people prefer guidon I guess - also standing still for 2s is kinda lame

[tribal blade]

go around the corner>insta step to get in to DM+KB

hit a nado and die

i was crying

[hazy breach]

Maybe if your routes are based around 2 mins, but i think you get way too deep into DR with pot+puzzlebox+weapon enchants

[empty bobcat]

but I also use it in dungeons with big pulls cause I like to see them numbers

[plush roost]

Oh ya weapon enchants... haha

I totally have arcane mastery on

And not rendorei

[empty bobcat]

feather if you dont have gaze I guess

[tribal blade]

oh true i should check weppy enchants

i forgot

[plush roost]

Smile

[hazy breach]

Well with puzzle you probably should

[empty bobcat]

which enchants you take with box?

[drifting ether]

Was comparing my sims to last week its pretty crazy 4.3% st increase and the damage breakdown is heaps diff
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5pa51xGee9VwsGMdg5BYke
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/foc9PLWmGjr9vVB1uXhY63

[hazy breach]

But anyway when ive simmed for huge aoe guidon+mastery enchants+700 haste tends to sim about the same as ~300 haste and/or puzzlebox setups.

But obviously if the pack is like 20s long then puzzle is better as you dont have time to do a second set of cds

[plush roost]

I feel like puzzy B with no lashe setup will he the highest aoe max

But need to axtually put into practice

[hazy breach]

For a single big pull absolutely

For chaining big pulls into each other im not so sure

[plush roost]

Something about this season as well, feels like 2mins are favored more than 1.5s

[small sleet]

1.5s feel like they come up just barely not often enough to send once per pull

[plush roost]

I was pressing blades on low packs just to push the key forward

[small sleet]

I feel like once you do that once you get stuck in a cycle of doing it for another 10 mins

Blades keeps coming back up while the packs are low but not low enough to hold, so you’re sending on a pack where half the mobs are already dying

[plush roost]

Idk in my npx i sent blades middle first pull, partially into first circuit seer, then again on the third pull to kill bombs/defenders and lost hald my blades cast

But it pushed forward

And had blades on boss pull

[small sleet]

Yeah I mean sometimes it’s what’s best for the key but it’s bad for the details ego

Now I have to stare at your npx log because I shamed myself in the key I did with deeps earlier

[tame isle]

I got both guidon and puzzle, that i pair together with a gaze (guidon in raid puzzle in m+), and sitting at 720 haste. Should i aim for higher haste (800) in m+ since im not using guidon there?

[hazy breach]

But ye theres absolutely gonna be scenarios where puzzlebox is better, and theres gonna be scenarios where guidon is better. Just not sure which ones are more prevalent as its gonna depend on your group

[tribal blade]

haha dw i've shamed myself in front of deeps multiple times

in 2 seperate keys

[small sleet]

It’s ok he griefs me in raid all the time so we’re even

[tribal blade]

LOL nice

holy shit both those times zimbita was also there

[small sleet]

I miss dragonflight

[hazy breach]

Midnight is just dragonflight 3 anyway

[small sleet]

Tell that to zimbita, according to him ferals never been the same since

[graceful portal]

Guys i need some advice about my rolls. none of my tier pieces are myth track and i saw that there are a lot of them in seat of triumvirate. Is is stupid to use my rolls there ? since the rest is garbage

[tribal blade]

"i miss DF"

[tribal blade]

LOL true

i first met zimbita S1 DF

he uh

gave a performance of all time in that key

[hazy breach]

Since those items drop in a lot of dungeons youre probably better off going for other items like nexus point/skyreach

[lilac stag]

likely yes. nexus and pit are both better options

[hazy breach]

And then incidently getting the tier pieces while you "miss" the items you are going for

[lilac stag]

the rings from nexus and see what else you get. cloak is good.

[vale osprey]

I want some more mastery someone gimme some

[lilac stag]

then spend rolls to fill that out

[hazy breach]

Say you went into seat and rolled a chest, then next week you head into nexus point to roll for rings and you get a chest, then the seat rolls have been wasted

[abstract cosmos]

just get a fat mastery neck or ring

[alpine wraith]

or craft engi items

[graceful portal]

i have everything good of saron so ig i go NP for ring and the reste

thx guys

[lilac stag]

rings are very good at myth for stats and the extra bit of dmg

[steady sail]

On the dragons boss i keep having the situation where I'm a couple of seconds from dance/sectech but have 5cp and less than 30 energy.
Is it worth using backstab to get the last point and having enough energy to send dance immediately or is it still better to wait for shuriken storm even if it delays my dance?
Or is this something I've messed up earlier and should never encounter?

[void ocean]

better shiv xD

[tribal blade]

can plan in advance knowing your dance is coming up

and just pool instead of cutting it close with getting off 1 non dance evis/bp off

[tribal blade]

that's for proccing apex on SC

he's asking about something else

[vocal pulsar]

then i dont get it 😄

[tribal blade]

basically he has sectec coming off cd in a few secs

and wants to send dance insta with it

but only has 5CP and less than 30 energy

so if he backstabs he will deplete his energy to hit 7 CP

and then have to delay using dance+sectec

[uncut monolith]

So what should i du when i have sectec ready to send but i have 5 stacks and blackwingsweakaura up?

[tribal blade]

(in general we try hard not to delay sectec usage unless we're holding it for upcoming moment/blades)

[tribal blade]

your 2 options are backstab and delay the sectec

[lilac stag]

blackwigsweakaura

[tribal blade]

or dance>strike

[uncut monolith]

Ok.rip ST+SD macro then:/

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing that means apex haha

i actually don't know if it's ok to sectec on 5CP

i think probably not

[vocal pulsar]

hmmm very situational ig
but yeah sd -> strike and then st

[lilac stag]

it's not

even 6 is

[tribal blade]

big take away though is to try to not let that happen

and preplan dance a bit more

[lilac stag]

asked fuu to look at with opener without premed. just dont fuck up your downtime

[tribal blade]

instead of just sending gcds non stop outside dance

[verbal hedge]

if you are having this situation often probably you need to plan ahead and sacrifice a global to pool energy before this situation

[lilac stag]

your dmg out of dance is so insignificant. bnnk the SHT

[steady sail]

So sack 1 finisher even if i have to wait 4-5 seconds so I have 7 cp and energy to send immediately 👍

[tribal blade]

yeah everything you do outside dance is pretty limp

[tribal blade]

yeah can just use backstab at max CP to not waste energy

[tight fjord]

I been blasting io today, we’re in decent shape now

[sacred jewel]

back to warning signs ia feeling so much better for cp/energy

[north schooner]

[earnest crane]

give me a nerf list to make another Charecter and blizzard nerf it as soon as i played DH last week and geared it to 275 blizzard decided to nerf them

give me a Class i will nerf it to grand 😄

[tight fjord]

Here’s my new personal best though

[short radish]

the 20 AA as sub?

[small sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-me-adrian-boseman-the-good-fight-look-its-me-i-cant-relate-gif-21896793

[tight fjord]

4th on that list but 27 all spec

[short radish]

based

based malaka

[tight fjord]

I’m coming for u

[small sleet]

I will cheer you on as you pass me king

[tight fjord]

If vegan invites me again it’s gg

Lmao

[small sleet]

Lmao true

[cursive tundra]

wow i'm in presence of greatness

multiple

if I have gaze + guidon + puzzlebox all on myth 289, what do I run for keys?

[tight fjord]

I’m just a pug star

[tribal blade]

what's with all this positivity

[cursive tundra]

is guidon still worth it after we went back to MASTERY slaves

[tribal blade]

i'm here for a fight

🙂

[small sleet]

Gaze + one of the other two. I prefer guidon but some people swear by puzzle box

[tribal blade]

hell yeah

[cursive tundra]

i only have 730 haste, and I feel like I can't fit 2 ST into SD without guidon

[small sleet]

I’d try out both of the on uses and see which feels better for you

[cursive tundra]

i just did a MC

puzzlebox produces big numbers

but it's fairly risky on second ST

[north schooner]

this just in, wox has been benched

[sacred jewel]

u want 800 haste without guidon

[tight fjord]

Lmaooo

[tribal blade]

i did a few keys with him a while back

and trying to understand him in disc was really hard

[grim wasp]

we ditch guidon now?

[cursive tundra]

i want, that's for sure but alas, I don't have

[tribal blade]

i almost wiped us in a rise because i could just barely understand him say "rogue soak" on 1st boss to immune soak

[small sleet]

Are you able to swap any gems/enchants/crafted pieces around

[pallid jackal]

Still bis as far as I know

[sacred jewel]

okay let me rephrase, u need 800+ to fit in two STs without guidon haha

[tribal blade]

oh and i made the mistake of saying to him when he joined the group "excuse me sir mcdonalds is that way"

that was a BIG mistake

[sacred jewel]

but maybe engineering craft/gems could help u get there

[tight fjord]

I use guidon, don’t have the puzzle box, and I don’t think I really want it. I’ll just try to push the prio target, or boss fights with the trinket that lines up every time

[cursive tundra]

i could technically replace all my gems, but I have identity crisis

and I play all 3 specs like an idiot

to be fair, I will use my bonus rolls in skyreach this week

[thin sinew]

You don't get to dunk that in this channel and ignore that mog

[cursive tundra]

and if the haste mastery dagger drops

then I'm set

ah lol xD

[timid rose]

i got puzzle box week 1 on my enh shaman, and swore i would never pick it up for any other toon

[keen dome]

I have a 1 in 3 chance to get the other ring today

Will luck be in my favour or will it be boot city

[tight fjord]

I dropped dance mcab btw, for 2/2 finality

[tribal blade]

BELIEVE

[cursive tundra]

it fits outlaw better, but I can also add some daggers there

[thin sinew]

Zac in a dress

now that. that i gotta see

[tribal blade]

need zac to work his forum post magic for rogue raid buff

i don't seem to have any magic

[tight fjord]

Yep

[cursive tundra]

technically speaking if the haste mastery dagger drops from skyreach, I can get 806 haste and then I can use puzzlebox

i want to roll on skyreach anyway

just in case solarflare prism drops

for outlaw

[short radish]

[cursive tundra]

not like I can play outlaw, or even want to play it

but just in case, stockpiling gear

fits my identity crisis well

i need the dagger, shoulder, feet and prism from there. 4/6 good loot

surely worth

or I instantly get the 2/6 i don't need, but then the next couple of weeks it's easy

[wary locust]

anyone else just cant get into groups? is that a rogue issue?

[vale vault]

new to the class?

& yes

[wary locust]

im new to WoW lol

[vale vault]

ohhh makes sense!

[wary locust]

but im 283 GS and im not that shit lol

sad

[vale vault]

getting a rogue into your grp is something not all to high on peoples priority list

lets just put it that way

[wary locust]

sucks because when i get into keys im usually top dps

and i kick

lol

[golden thunder]

hm before I read with one 1 something about the ST / SD macro? Is there a problem?

[pine swift]

Hey guys, i haven't played since TWW, cooldown manager seems pretty complicated to use no ? (i already miss WA 😢 )

[sacred jewel]

One question, during 2nd SD. If I get a Coup de Grace proc does it matter whether I ST/Evi or Evi/ST? I'm not sure if ST consumes the proc or not (reading the talent it should not?)

[keen dome]

@tribal blade rip, it was the third option of chest. Ring next week!

[tribal blade]

guaranteed next week 🙂

nbd

[keen dome]

well

next week is either boots or ring the first roll, haha

[tribal blade]

oh wait

AH right

[keen dome]

So I either get 1 bonus roll to spend somewhere else OR get it on the second

So you are right, but it might be dissapointment boots first

[tribal blade]

hopefully it's on the 1st

[keen dome]

Ye

Not sure where I'll go and spend my next rolls

[tribal blade]

i started spending on AA

[keen dome]

legs from seat would be nice but also lol lmao

[tribal blade]

for ring+puzzlebox for sin

i have 4 reroll and 4 items to get from AA

[keen dome]

Nice

[tribal blade]

so i can guaranteed finish sin gearing this week

OR

i can just full send for sub

[keen dome]

Skyreach cloak for minmax, outlaw weapon maybe. I dunno. Legs would be nice but I think it'll be a craft angle then use a drop belt

[tribal blade]

now that sub can actually perform in keys

i might just solely play sub

we'll see

[vale osprey]

Once you get the 285 achieve, do all of your future myth upgrades even on that char cost 10 crests or is it just for alts?

[grim wasp]

i tried assa last week i like it in M+ feels easier

although sub is already easy

[tribal blade]

yeah it's cool but i prefer playing sub

plus i get slightly tilted playing sin a bit

i'm not a fan of the way they redesigned sin's energy

[torpid echo]

Team. If I get the chance to get an extra bonus roll or a socket what is usually better to get?

Assuming I have gear to socket x)

[grim wasp]

do you need gear or do you need a socket?

[tribal blade]

it's highly unlikely you don't need rerolls

unless you have insane gear

[torpid echo]

I need gear but it's not guaranteed

[tribal blade]

it's not guaranteed which is why having more rerolls is good

[lilac stag]

it is guaranteed via process of elemination

[torpid echo]

Okey ty!

[pine swift]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[torpid echo]

Makes sense yeah

[tribal blade]

the more rerolls you have=the faster you finish getting the gear

[lilac stag]

not me spending 5 rerolls in nexus and haveing zero rings

[tribal blade]

just be your warr

[lilac stag]

260. i'm ready for (less of a carry) keys

[vale vault]

im not up to date on sub, are we using eyes of the eagle ring ench?

[tribal blade]

hell yeah nice

[tribal blade]

yes

[vale vault]

ty sir

[austere elm]

its been an issue since BfA

[lilac stag]

managed to get 4pc with 3 heroic and 1 myth piece LOL

[hallow mortar]

Socket is 0.5% best upgrade from m+ is 0.5% and i have spent crest for it

[tribal blade]

oh damn not bad

[wary citrus]

Hello Guys. Do we have somewhere a recap on the recent sub tunes? Is it a buff or a nerf actually

[lilac stag]

delver story 9 paying off

[lilac stag]

🏄 🏄‍♀️ 👍

[wary citrus]

Aight got it 😂

[river coral]

if sim says puzzle box is 1700 dps more than guidon, does that mean i have too much haste?

[lilac stag]

what does math say?

[river coral]

well it says puzzle box is that much better but i have a feeling some fuckery is going on

[lilac stag]

that's not math

[river coral]

theres no way

[vale osprey]

Check if you've changed your flask in sim, mine was still set to crit/haste flask and therefore it was giga overvaluing puzzlebox.

Now after having sorted my gear for more mastery and mast flask, sim says box is still ~0.1-0.2% better but it's box

[river coral]

ill liknk both sims, tell me if you see something off

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nqLjJQb1TuSjcg4nS5TeuM

[lilac stag]

why do people struggle with such simple addition and subtraction skills

[river coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iEcmkSQ4o6JzA6n8Dqv4xq

[lilac stag]

do you have more than 700 haste? yes? too much

and stop using droptimizer

[red flame]

I personally took socket this week for my myth crafted belt ; & sending both my rolls in npx for rings

[lilac stag]

run top gear with the items you want to check.

ie whatever is in your vault

[sacred jewel]

It also depends if u even have the crests to upgrade a new myth item

I don't so socket is a consideration

[karmic harbor]

How hard is playing with 684 haste going to be compared with 700

[vale osprey]

Not helpful for coins tho

[peak ice]

No difference

[tepid trellis]

pretty much exact same

[karmic harbor]

ait thanks gang

[tribal blade]

i guess the 2 courses of action is to speed run your bonus rolls by taking reroll from vault or make your existing gear slightly better with socket

[lilac stag]

you should already have an idea of what myth items you're missing. you're rolling nexus rings. maybe pit neck and whatever items arent mythic are secondary

it's not that complicated. you can also take the input text from #tc-research and have every possible item in your top gear if you're really crazy for it

[red flame]

For me personally I need NPX rings, Pit legs, Sky cloak & a helm to catalyze

All helm dungeons drop shit so I’m deterred from rolling there
NPX I’m down to a 2/5 chance for rings
Sky is 1/6 for cloak ; everything else is vendor trash for me
Pit is 1/7 for legs ; everything else is vendor trash for me

So rolling Pit or Sky feels bad

[empty bobcat]

thats assuming u got myth 4set right? because thats top prio for me (according to sims)

[lilac stag]

it's assuming nothing.

[tribal blade]

you can get marginally worse statted pieces from other dungeons that have a safer bonus roll chance

[peak ice]

https://voidcoreplanner.pages.dev

Put your name in

[grim wasp]

are nexus rings good? I have set on my warrior but i dont use it war is tank

[peak ice]

Tick if what you’ve got

It’ll do the work

[lilac stag]

I still have 1 hoeric tier and one myth tier at 3/6

[tribal blade]

i've come to realize the diff between bis stats and suboptimal stats on gear is less than i thought

[lilac stag]

rings are still a bigger increase purely on stats

[long cape]

!talents

[lilac stag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/always-have-been-always-will-be-tracy-jordan-1--k01KQYR4STTYA5Y5B9753YPF78Y

we have 1 important stat. haste breakpoint + trinket

omg vers sucks now for sub...https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1501428603194445986/image.png?ex=69fc09da&is=69fab85a&hm=fdd4ace9cde256f2cad50f285dbf39988e9743821599fb29e8436a734e98d14f&

[hollow spear]

There are times where it actually matters

[lilac stag]

#subtlety message

[hollow spear]

Like the entirety of tww

Where haste was completely atrocious

[lilac stag]

yeah you avoided it and nothing else mattered

now you hit it and nothing else matters

[runic gulch]

hey guys, how’s it going? would you change any of my stats for the new patch or are they fine? I haven’t enchanted or gemmed anything yet. This is for a raid with Trickster

crit 659
haste 711
mastery 842

[lilac stag]

its all the same shit people freak out over

perfect timing

[hollow spear]

Case in point

[dire flame]

you should enchant your shit

[hollow spear]

I recommend agility for your enchantments

[lilac stag]

I recommend Intellect

[runic gulch]

I was waiting until I had all the items haha

[dire flame]

Stam so you can live through mechanics

[somber sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766349238941777931/1131266466289819779/caption.gif

[alpine wraith]

i kinda like this

[languid basin]

I have a question, crit is recommend to be higher than it normally was but simming does not show this at all, is this something wrong with sim or is it just because of chance?

[alpine wraith]

we changed ways again

we mastery

[hollow spear]

260 ilvl kinda low

[somber sun]

yes

when I create character

im already 260 ilevel

[languid basin]

so no more crit?

[somber sun]

keep a bit

like 23-25% ish

[peak ice]

Scroll up

[hollow spear]

Are you guys even reading chat?

[lilac stag]

敏锐潜行者属性指南
700 急速（带战旗），800 急速（不带战旗）
模拟器（Sims）默认玩家能完美执行每一个技能。但你并非机器人，因此堆叠更高的急速能让你的“暗影之舞”循环拥有更大的容错空间。带战旗时的理想急速阈值是 684，但大多数玩家倾向于将其凑整至 700，以获得更充裕的缓冲余地。若不带战旗，则需要达到 800 急速，才能确保“秘密技巧”技能获得足够的冷却缩减（CDR）。
精通 ≈ 暴击
在单体输出（ST）场景下，精通与暴击的收益基本持平。而在群体输出（AOE）场景下，你可能会更倾向于堆叠精通。你的暴击或精通数值比别人高或低一点，并不会对你的总伤害输出（DPS）产生决定性的影响；相比之下，能否流畅且准确地执行技能循环（Rotation），才是影响输出高低的关键所在。
我应该堆多少百分比的急速？
单纯讨论急速的百分比数值并没有太大意义，因为这一数值受多种因素影响而波动巨大，且无法体现诸如暗夜精灵种族特长等特殊加成。请直接参考具体的急速数值（绿字）。
“噢不！这件装备上竟然带了全能属性！”
这绝非世界末日。装备上带有少量的全能属性完全没问题，不会对你的表现造成任何负面影响。
“我怎么也堆不到足够的急速数值！”
尝试更换为急速药剂（合剂）、重铸装备属性、或者更换镶嵌的宝石

[peak ice]

Like 5 comments

[dire flame]

holy

[hollow spear]

It's terrible

[somber sun]

where is the one

with

bring shame to the guild

[languid basin]

what about talents? should i leave out first dance?

[somber sun]

worse than arms warrior

[languid basin]

for finality

[hollow spear]

I thought someone got hacked

[somber sun]

nah bro

this would be funny

[languid basin]

I checked the pins and simmed with the pins but its lower damage thats why i wanted to confirm

[lilac stag]

They finally read the conversation.

[somber sun]

if it was random chinese copy pastas

[timid pulsar]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[somber sun]

[empty bobcat]

idk I use bifurcation band because it has insane mastery it also sims better than the nexus rings for me

[hollow spear]

When im back from vacay I'll try the cursed 1.100 haste

[tribal blade]

omfg incredible

[lilac stag]

congrats. Almost like there aren’t 40+ gear combinations that aren’t extremely close and not worth giving a tug about

nexus just has generally very good gear for sub

[small sleet]

I use nexus rings because I like the icons for em I’m not sure if they sim best for me

[wary locust]

why servers shutting down?

[lilac stag]

They’re free dmg and a bit more ST focus. It also means I’m not swapping gear around for raid or m+

[dire flame]

Blizz is deleting the game

tired of people asking about stats and sims

[lilac stag]

we should be so lucky

[empty bobcat]

I might be rolling if I got everything else bc all I am missing on myth set is shoulders and I want the skyreach weapon for 298

[peak ice]

People swap gear between raid and myth?

[lilac stag]

yes

[dire flame]

I swap gear between fights wdym

[peak ice]

Oh

[dire flame]

(I don't actually)

[hollow spear]

You guys have gear?

[peak ice]

Guess I’m just lazy

[valid ocean]

with this new round of buffs is sub just obviously the play for l'ura now?

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dire flame]

No its still not

[somber sun]

we didnt miss much then

[dire flame]

Should play uhdk instead

[lilac stag]

always was if you’re not a DK

[valid ocean]

i killed beloran as sin, im stunlocked by all 3 of our specs being so mid

[dire flame]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hang-first-time--k01KQYRW76J90HN4KF2QTPCYP6G

[lilac stag]

imagine playing assa on a fight that sub excels on

[fallow glade]

i did my mandatory sub kill on beloren, surely by the time we reclear i can just outlaw it

[lilac stag]

just don’t look at non egg dmg

[small sleet]

I’m p sure all 3 rogue specs are the best in the game, we’re just all collectively pretty shit at playing em so it makes it look like they’re bad

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade are my stats ok for pvp?

[dire flame]

Need to remove all the mastery and add vers

you'll take way too much damage like that

[lilac stag]

nah. rogue is live lord.

[wild vine]

I'd try to get rid of the last 3%

[shadow urchin]

Its from motw

[lilac stag]

i need more speed. hmmm

go fast. big big dam

[peak ice]

If we weren’t as trash on paladins fight I reckon we’d be higher

Which is a dumb thing you say but yes

[lilac stag]

or just dont waorry about it and realize the only thing assa can do is boss dmg and it's not even amazing at that when you consider the other specs up there are all doing more than ST dmg

[small sleet]

Damage to bosses is a misleading stat because everyone knows if there’s a bunch of adds out you gotta slam dance+ sectech into them and not the boss or you’re bitch made

[dire flame]

If you're not padding you shouldn't even look at logs tbh

[peak ice]

I’m just saying everyone comes in and says “why so mid”

[lilac stag]

[peak ice]

Dw

[pallid jackal]

Crit gems still higher than mastery

[lilac stag]

CLEARLY everyone asking why so mid. dont mid the fact that one is the statement and one is my reponse

2023

[wary locust]

anyone know what downtime is for

[lilac stag]

to make us less mid

[dire flame]

Because blizz said so

[sullen hare]

I feel like the classic line is "is assassination viable yet?"

[short aurora]

midtlety

[timid rose]

Fixing 100 bugs, adding 200 new ones

[lilac stag]

"rogue meta yet"

[peak ice]

Which rouge class is best this 13.05 patch

[lilac stag]

or some version of meta

[fringe nest]

we are back to old talents, but Planned Execution still sims more than Warning Signs for me

[dire flame]

look guys sin is the best spec right now, everyone swap

[pallid jackal]

I see the method guide is not updated yet right in terms of opener?

[lilac stag]

WS more finishers. PE higher finishers *rng)

[sullen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-storm-fly-cat-flying-cat-gif-8914222594192952917

[fringe nest]

i guess it also matters that i have 41% crit rn @lilac stag

[lilac stag]

whatever that means, sure

[small sleet]

That would have an effect ya

[lilac stag]

WS prefers mastery

[peak ice]

Hey guys used try play devourer, after the 2% buff which rogue subclass would you recommend

[cursive tundra]

is it worth dropping danse macabre for a second node in finality?

[bitter halo]

Anyone else finding box is simming higher than Guidon for ST?

[sullen hare]

What do your secondaries look like? How much crit and mastery do you have

[obsidian crag]

just played with a 286 dude, how can someone reach 286 ilvl?

[sullen hare]

Combination of hard work and extreme luck lol

[bitter halo]

Crit 28% and mastery 62%

[sullen hare]

Is your haste above the 700 with consumables?

[bitter halo]

800 without guidon

[sullen hare]

That's probably part of it then. You can forego guidon at 800

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[dire flame]

Bad bot, thats not the right command

[bitter halo]

So run with the sim?

[peak ice]

It’s only sinning guidon incorrect because your haste with it is too high

[shadow urchin]

Its not incorrect

[sullen hare]

Pretty much. If you were to drop some haste like jello said you'll see it come out on top

[shadow urchin]

Haste is just not as valuable in that big amount

[bitter halo]

Ok cool I’ll use guidon

[peak ice]

Yea but you’re not comparing two equal things then

[bitter halo]

And drop some haste

[sullen hare]

This is the way

[peak ice]

You’re comparing one at correct and one that’s 50%

[bitter halo]

Thank you

[peak ice]

All goods

[shadow urchin]

Ideal might be a better wording here. Again none if it is incorect. Both trinkets have stat breakdowns that are more beneficial to them.

[kind edge]

ok i think dont miss cloud anymore. (dont look to my ilvl plz)

[frozen edge]

yo wtf

[cursive tundra]

what is that?

[frozen edge]

logged 16-22 keys since reset

[cursive tundra]

okay but what site sorry

where do you see that?

[frozen edge]

https://mythicstats.com/dps

[peak ice]

There’s only been 80 outlaw keys since reset?

That seems

[jade oasis]

look at

number of runs

[frozen edge]

Ye but still

Havent seen smth like that for a while xd

[peak ice]

8 evoker?

[dire flame]

I'm just saying

might not be the best data to look at

[somber sun]

again

remove the paladins fight

sub top 1

[warm marlin]

guardian mw are looking to possibly take over as meta 2 specs btw

[jade oasis]

can we get

SS cleave

back

[shadow urchin]

Holy pally 📈

[dire flame]

It's also been 1 day since reset and EU hasn't had theirs yet

[small sleet]

Honestly please no cleave back I like having actual single target damage

[wild vine]

thats wrong

[warm marlin]

that data isnt wrong, a few of the tanks i talk to and healers have been gearing guardian/mw this reset and they are looking quite strong

[drowsy pulsar]

I don’t know if I’m crazy but I felt way stronger in m+ today

[sullen hare]

Hehehe absolutely no seat of the triumvirate data. What a surprise!

[frozen edge]

Idk why tho it doesnt work since last week

[peak ice]

Oh

We’re b now

[sullen hare]

I choose to believe people just hate the place

[peak ice]

Was good while it lasted

Better go re-reroll into a dk

[wary locust]

they gonna get chopped again

[dire flame]

Oh I guess they have had reset, but w.e

Its a small slice of data compared to what you'll have tomorrow

[peak ice]

I contributed to one of those 88 runs and purposely lowered my dps to keep us down

[dire flame]

I'm gonna go int on outlaw to make sub look better

[gentle escarp]

Hello guys, a quick question and hope i dont echo a response already given, but my lastdance addon does not work i cannot see the bar and i dont get the "audio-tune" for when dance is backup, you guys have any idea what might be causing it, i have checked audio settings for effects etc and all seem to be fine?

[peak ice]

If it’s a mod it might be worth checking the mods comments or discord

[raw frost]

So 2.5% and at last we dont play with cloud

[lilac stag]

at last? We had it for 13 days.

[dire forum]

guys bis trinkets for m+ 18key + ?

[sonic raven]

Is the 700 haste target not include haste trinkets?

[wary locust]

700 haste with guidon

800 without

[hushed roost]

what site is this from?

[dire flame]

scroll up

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/tintin-haddock-wednesday-miercoles-what-a-week-gif-9413307105338330802

[hushed roost]

ah ty

[hollow quest]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow quest]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[limpid sage]

https://klipy.com/gifs/its-been84years-titanic-2--k01KQYVT7M70GW5PG1GBSSBAZVM

[sick epoch]

Did we change opener? From first talents I mean

[empty bobcat]

btw I think our burst is fine Im getting sick numbers today

[hearty mural]

am i doing something wrong? it wants me to swap crit/mastery ring for wedding ring..but if i put wedding ring ima be at 757 haste without oils

[rain swift]

How are people feeling after this update, cloud cover still sims higher than the premed talent build, but are people noticing a diff in the DPS with either build themselves?

[hearty mural]

and says to put haste enchants on

[empty bobcat]

it sims worse for me tho

[normal wolf]

You are probably too crit heavy

[dire flame]

I'd rather play premed even if it was like a 3% loss tbh

cloud cover is ass

[hearty mural]

or can someone help me where i go learn to sim things correct..i cant find in pins and people ignore me

[rain swift]

yeah well, I've been building crit since we were told to so that is true

[dire flame]

Not anymore

[normal wolf]

Yeah same here, mastery now

[rain swift]

yeah i know

[lilac stag]

How do you want us to figure out that from a screenshot?

[lusty narwhal]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hearty mural]

bro i obviously dont know what im doing....i dont get why rogue discords be so damn ego'd out

[lilac stag]

Just link the sim

[hearty mural]

didnt know that ty

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dHm5WTGusGiPCFMk2TQHi5

[dire flame]

Dungeon slice

[hearty mural]

change it to patchwerk?

[sick epoch]

Change it to patcheerk 5-6 min

For st dmg

U're asking for boss dmg right?

[lilac stag]

What are you trying to sim for?

[hearty mural]

m+

[hearty mural]

m+

[sick epoch]

Then it's ok dungeon slice

[lilac stag]

ok. Gimme a moment to get the dogs in and I’ll check on pc. First thing swap weekly to latest in options.

[hearty mural]

ty bro

ty aus

[sick epoch]

I'll try to help too, but I'm not very expert on sims

[dire flame]

Also, when you're simming you should realistically re-craft all your gear that you can along with it, sometimes the sim freaks out if its trying to hit a number and it can't

[hearty mural]

ok cool i'll check for that too

[dire flame]

Earlier in the season my sim was trying to hit like 650 haste but couldn't so it decided to just put on other gear and go to 800 instead

[rain swift]

also i dont have guidon which is why i got 800 haste a paladin who was 30k DPS on chima won it today in my heroic run (gaze)

[dire flame]

He prob died

[sick epoch]

Goat

[rain swift]

he didnt

[dire flame]

Actually afk then idk

[dire flame]

mf just auto attacking the boss or something

[sick epoch]

Justice shall be swift

[rain swift]

i have no clue how to play pally, but he must be doing smth wrong, 270ilvl

[dire flame]

prob one button+half afk

[sick epoch]

Will we rogues get a warden spec someday?

[foggy estuary]

Brooosss i got 1st parse on MC16 😅 i manifest i parse i brought pride to raidleader and spread genetic information everywhere

[pallid jackal]

Going back to old one I believe

[edgy socket]

can you bonus roll again when youre locked out of m+ raid?

[wicked wadi]

Question for you guys doing keys only and using box. Do you care about having 800 haste? My sim doesn't seem to care when I sim dungeon slice

[austere anvil]

nah but i prefer playing with my guidon instead couse its line up on every cd use

[fading saffron]

the less haste you have under 700, the worse time youre going to have

[wicked wadi]

I can have 700, I just can't have guidon bc I don't raid. Stat budget is high enough I'm 282, was just curious

[minor osprey]

genetic information is a crazy way to say it

[empty bobcat]

I dont care actually - I have 725 haste rn and it feels totally fine

[fading saffron]

all guidon does is allow you to have a higher dance with the increase of haste, if you dont have it and you dont care about raiding and timers, it doesnt matter - just get the haste breakpoint and vibe imo

[wicked wadi]

Right, but the haste break point is 800 without the trinket, but in a dungeon slice sim it's trivial. On patchwerk it still wants 800 to fit in the extra sectech but in practice it feels like it doesn't matter rly

700 plays fine in keys with no guidon is my point

[small sleet]

whats your definition of fine

[empty bobcat]

box sims only slightly higher for me on dungeon slice, but its hell of a difference if you sim for 1min 8 targets - if you care about big pull dmg you want to go box

[small sleet]

because sectech with puzzle box hits crazy hard in an aoe pull, so you're giving up a lot of potential damage by not getting 2 inside of blades

[fading saffron]

what the robot says is law - the increase in haste is to help with brain lag and make timings more comfy

do whatever feels right

[wicked wadi]

Missing the 2nd sectech in a blades window on 2nd dance on bosses in keys to have higher mastery for aoe is the fine part. It's a tradeoff

[fading saffron]

im sure the difference is not noticible, and my guess is within a few percent

[small sleet]

but you'll also be missing the second sectech in a blades window on aoe pulls is what im sayin

[empty bobcat]

usually u dont care since big pull mostly is first one which has BL in it

depending on dungeon

[wicked wadi]

I guess the other option is I just lower my haste to 650 then flask haste, idk. I could try that

[small sleet]

yeah but like i guess where im going with it is, if you arent gonna hit 800 haste, why not have like 300

[empty bobcat]

I just swap between box and guidon depending on what sneeded for the group

[small sleet]

if you arent hitting the haste breakpoint, haste kinda useless

[empty bobcat]

sure - I mean I could easily hit 800 with gems I guess and give up crit

go haste+mastery and play box - never simmed it though

I sometimes like to play guidon because its much smoother and if I am in apug, when I go with my group I make sure the tank pulls so I can utilize box at its best

and I dont want to swap gems every dungeon lol

[wicked wadi]

I think I'll try lowering my haste stat then flasking it to hit 800 with oils. I only pug and won't ever get a guidon but want to still be optimal as I can be

[lilac stag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/16kwCinBmA1wF18D8A3uBV it should put you at 690 haste. you could do one mastery/haste gem if you really wanted to. lmk if you have questions

[wicked wadi]

My dslice sim is 170k and that is below haste break point

Flasking mastery

[ancient leaf]

do we still play cloud cover`in m+?

[lilac stag]

[fading saffron]

pretty pictures

[lilac stag]

🏄 🏄‍♀️ 👍

[ancient leaf]

and 800 haste nessesary yeah?

[lilac stag]

#subtlety message

[ancient leaf]

damn the pins are crazy

[wicked wadi]

If you don't have guidon ppl will say yes but my sim doesn't seem to care if I have it or not. My highest dslice sim is below haste breakpoint

[ancient leaf]

easy thank you

[rain swift]

too bad i cant read kekw

[nimble sun]

how much crit/haste/mastery for Single Target

[somber sun]

the three inf gauntlet gems

[vale pine]

^

[shadow lance]

^

[fading saffron]

im getting the hang of this

[empty bobcat]

I just did the sim, 800 with box sims lower than 725 with mastery/crit gems - so mastery is superior to everything. at least for me

[wicked wadi]

Same result for me. Sim doesn't care about haste breakpoint

[empty bobcat]

sims hate haste, somebody said that and its true

[fading saffron]

sim no care about haste, sim is robot, no latency or lag, perfect player

[vale pine]

700 haste with guidon

[lilac stag]

you need enough haste to get both sectechs in which is roughly 800 on box sims

[vale pine]

sim is a bit lower than the actual amount you want

thats because the robot plays better than you are

[empty bobcat]

thats why I have 725 :3

[vale pine]

700 is perfect for humans

but a bit more does not hurt

[small sleet]

He has 725 with puzzy b not guidon

Is what he’s saying

[wicked wadi]

Assuming you have a guidon, which I don't and never will xD

[empty bobcat]

yeah I just get my 725 from gear and I play guid in raid and box in m+ if I know we gonna pull big

I have no haste gems whatsoever

its just oils and gear stat

so I cant even go lower without touching my pieces

I could only go higher and play box, but I dont like box in raids and for M+ as you can see it sims weaker

[lilac stag]

@vale pine if you look at all the buffs we’ve gotten, it’s almost like the late beta tuning and m0 week tuning was wrong for us.

who could have ever imagined that

[fading saffron]

[marble sail]

!ss

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ionic python]

how is radiant slicer simming better for me than hungering victory, when i already have 700 haste, isnt it dead stat?

[fading saffron]

link sim?

[ionic python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jMqUAozed25k4znMYjYRY1

[gilded cosmos]

what is better open in assa or subt? i get sh** on both

[vale pine]

it is what it is

[somber sun]

wdym by open

[gilded cosmos]

the GV* xd

[somber sun]

dude I still dont get it

[swift tinsel]

its the same loot pool

so it doesn't matter

[somber sun]

ohh

just say great vault

lazy mfs

[gilded cosmos]

xddd

yes i am

[lilac stag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tvyGRSVEbdtKgEsNjFTRDG

[ionic python]

so whats the diff, every raid buff?

[lilac stag]

flask and pot if I had to guess, idk i just use it for gearing in general

dslice will never be exact

[ionic python]

but i was already simming with pot/flask, only diff its i was using agility pot instead of reck

[lilac stag]

well reck is kinda big

[ionic python]

yeye, i know, just had that on sim i usually use reck

[wicked wadi]

You simmed over 2 mins and he did 5, that might matter

[lilac stag]

dslice default is 5

[ionic python]

both are dslice 6 min no?

or 5

[wicked wadi]

Maybe the tooltip is busted I didn't actually click them. But if you look at the thumbs one says 5 one says 2

[ionic python]

still doesnt seem that diff tho, might just get that dagger from vault

[lilac stag]

waste but ok

get the reroll and farm the rings and you'll likely get the dagger

[ionic python]

I got wrist with socket from vora on the vault, so ill try to get the dagger from vora and get those

[lilac stag]

here's melee comp buffs shrug https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hsy6kQfmVvm2f9os7jDaxQ

[west arch]

Are the two Mythic Nexus Point Rings any good?

[lilac stag]

i just provide sim help. do whatever you want with it

[ionic python]

no diff almost but its weird since the haste is already fine, really thought 25versa+57 mastery would be way better

[lilac stag]

i mean HV is better in both

why waste loot on another dagger you're not going to use lol

fuck take a socket

glfh

[coarse raven]

hi, its maybe a dumb question but why when i sim my top gear, it make me chose some gear that put me below 700 haste ? should i follow raidbot or not ?

[lilac stag]

how many kids do you have?

[small sleet]

700 haste gives you leeway that the robot does not need

Basically robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids

[hazy breach]

Anything between 650-700 is gonna be fine

The higher the haste, the more leeway you have

[lavish breach]

does haste matter for m+ or should i just stack as much crit/mastery as i can?

dont have the haste on use yet

[west tide]

it matters

[heavy compass]

Is there BIS sim for trickster sub somewhere?

[valid yoke]

does Guidon still have the bug where you gotta wait a sec before popping dance?

[heavy compass]

Just wondering since I got 289 Valera neck in vault and might need to recraft some gear

[hazy breach]

Deepening shadows is still bugged yes

[valid yoke]

sadge, are people just macroing blades into dance with the trinket on its own then? I assume thats the best way to do it

[hazy breach]

Use trinket by itself

Then press cds

[lilac stag]

1 second pause between

[spiral pewter]

how important and why is it important to have the 700 haste cap or 800 w/o guidon?

[lilac stag]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[somber sun]

bro

I was about to explain

[wicked wadi]

I'm in the same boat and settled on recrafting a piece to lower my haste to 650, then using haste flask. Sim says this is a 1% DPS loss but that's bc it's a robot with no kids

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[lavish breach]

so should i just get 800 haste and then stack mastery? rn only trinkets i have are puzzle and prism

[wicked wadi]

Yeap that's the move I guess

[boreal cargo]

hey, sorry, stupid question, I know that we are supposed to shadow strike if we have empowered combo point & 5 stack of shadowtechnique & no AA, but why shadowstrike? it proc shadow technique?

[spiral pewter]

ty cuties

[somber sun]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[somber sun]

also yes

[boreal cargo]

yes that i know, but why

[small sleet]

To proc ancient arts

[boreal cargo]

so, shadowstrike proc shadowtechnique which procs AA ?

[sacred jewel]

with 5 stacks of shadow technique ur next combo generator will proc ancient arts

[wicked wadi]

Assa doesn't have to deal with any of this crap do they? Maybe I just change to assa xD better 4 pbox anyway

[spiral pewter]

also do we still take cloud cover or is no scruples the way to go?

[hazy breach]

Yes, which makes your next finisher do more damage

[boreal cargo]

ok thanks!

[small sleet]

Yes any generator would work but shadow strike is our strongest one so that’s why you press it and not the others

[sacred jewel]

shadow technique is also "procced" by auto attacks, thats why we wanna stop using any combo generators

and get a few shadow technique stacks

before going into dance

[dusky yacht]

No no you can use generators if you want to you just can't use finishers

[boreal cargo]

I cant find where its said that generator proc shadowtechnique, I only see auto attack on the description

[hazy breach]

Ancient Arts 1

[dusky yacht]

Auto attack generates shadow technique stacks

[hazy breach]

Not shadow techniques

[limber folio]

why are we going back to Warning Signs over keeping Planned Execution?

[dusky yacht]

PE is not as good as people think because it's 10% on top of 200%

[limber folio]

jaja makes sense

[hazy breach]

Crit damage makes crit damage better, so now we have less crit damage (since no +100% crit damage on strike from cloud cover)

Its less good

[limber folio]

feelsbed

[hazy breach]

But you can still play it if you want

Its very similar, same as before

[dusky yacht]

I'm actually enjoying that we went back to the old playstyle

It's so much smoother and feels better

[zenith egret]

In Raid Build. At how many Targets i use Fan and bp ?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[astral axle]

hello eleem i hope you are having a good day 🙂

[deft moss]

pot of reck>light pot on both ST and AoE in the sims for me

[hazy breach]

Should be very similar now on ST too yes

[worldly jetty]

how are sub in keys. are they any good =)?

[hazy breach]

But you have to make sure you do NOT use guidon before

I have done it, and it sucks so fucking much

The 20second dance with tfd

Is not it

[sacred jewel]

attacks that generate combo points expend the stacks, so generators would consume then, no? Well unless u are at max CP i assume

[deft moss]

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Blades
/use Potion of Recklessness
/use 13
/use 14

should be fine yea? or is it a crap shoot

[hazy breach]

Generators consume them yes, but during dance we regen way more than the 5 needed per builder

[lilac stag]

No

[sacred jewel]

This is mostly for pre shadow dance

[lilac stag]

You’re using guidon before that

[sacred jewel]

do techniques stack get consumed if u backstab at 7/7?

probably not is my guess

[hazy breach]

No, because theres no combo points to give

[lilac stag]

Reck Pot, guidon, burst CDs

[hazy breach]

Sht can never overcap

If you have 10 stacks and backstab at 0 cp you expend 6 of them and end up at 4 stacks

[hazy breach]

Ideally you dont macro guidon to blades, as you need to wait a second after pressing guidon before you can press dance

So doing that just wastes a second of shadow blades

[deft moss]

yea i wait but i do lose 1 secx of blade cus of it lol

[dusky yacht]

Yeah but I'm assuming you will already be at full combopoints since that's your main goal before cooldowns

[lilac stag]

I haven’t tried doing reck to guidon. I wonder if pot triggers quick enough

[hazy breach]

It should

But i havent tried either

[deft moss]

it did the 1 test i did@lilac stag

[grand summit]

Does that adamantine stone thing still work?

[hazy breach]

Yes, keep in mind its only good on mainhand

[graceful rock]

Wait how much haste does recklessness give? Also I’ve heard it doesn’t do well while vantus’d

[sacred jewel]

Yeah, i meant like you shouldn't try to squeez another Evi/combo generator in bit before SD/ST comes up to pool technique stacks

[lilac stag]

You can sim the vantus but our vers is very low

so reck shouldn’t care

[rose parrot]

Hey, ive been using this macro and wondering if this creates any problem.

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Blades
/use Potion of Recklessness
/cast shadow dance
/cast secret technique

[grand summit]

So why is it a bug?

[sacred jewel]

looks fine to me

[lilac stag]

If you pressed guidon before that, enjoy your haste from reck

[fast vigil]

im sorry, may I ask where or which talent states that AA increases finisher dmg? just trying to wrap my head around it

[wheat edge]

its only good on mainhand cause mainhand weapon damage is used for abilities etc, offhand weapon damage is only autoattacks

[grand summit]

ahhh I understand now

[hazy breach]

AA itself

Finishers that refund expend sht stacks

[rose parrot]

Sorry it should be the other pot.

[hazy breach]

Expending sht stacks spawns clones

[abstract cosmos]

is potion of reck or lights potential better to use ?

[lilac stag]

Well reckless is really good for us

[abstract cosmos]

swear its light no ?

[lilac stag]

You just need it done before guidon

[fast vigil]

AHHH, so thats how i get evis procs from shadow clones?

[hazy breach]

Generally lights potential, on big aoe recklessness is good IF it procs mastery

[hazy breach]

Yes

[fast vigil]

bless 🙏

[sacred jewel]

eleem abbreviating shadow technique as sht... confuses my brain

[spiral pewter]

are we using no scruples now?

[lilac stag]

would you rather confuse it with the other ST?

[sacred jewel]

eleem is swearing lowkey

[fast vigil]

shadow technique or sht, same sh*t xd

[deft moss]

lol

[fast vigil]

but got me there too ngl

[lilac stag]

This happens every time outlaw gets nerfed

[sacred jewel]

they probably got the compensation buff due to them

[lilac stag]

Which was a nerf

[deft moss]

so wait how can i sim the adamantite stone dont see on the list

[sacred jewel]

i mean going from 5% to 9% aura buff before the nerf rolls out, its still something

not as harsh

as previously

[fast vigil]

also sorry again, but this is also why we dont use sectec on AA proc? bcuz of how sectec does dmg?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[lilac stag]

Nerfs are nerfs. They never feel good.

[hazy breach]

But its fine to use it on sectech too, it does about the same as a regular eviscerate

But not more than eviscerate, which you would expect

[fast vigil]

thanks man

[lilac stag]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[lilac stag]

@vale pine can prob disable that.

[deft moss]

gross

kill it

[lilac stag]

spoiled kids and their inability to focus for 6 seconds on an opener.

bring on the old UH DK SL openers

[deft moss]

yea premed spoiled me

[dusky yacht]

I've never been so focused before spamming backstab on opener

[austere anvil]

do we care at all about crit atm or its juste pure mastery ?

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/filmeditor-hot-nervous-l4FATJpd4LWgeruTK

[deft moss]

lol im at 682 haste

[foggy estuary]

Opener was a waste of good lust uptime. It even felt clunky. Uh might have nuc sequence launch code to full send but didnt feel as dog as ours

[fast vigil]

o7, i can loan you the missing 2 so you can become a robot

[deft moss]

lol

i can swap gems or recraft legs for the missing bit

[sacred jewel]

the 2 haste is not gonna kill u

[deft moss]

just havent yet

[deft moss]

it is, slowly, like a poison

[lilac stag]

If you get rid of one of the kids you don’t need to recraft

[deft moss]

lol wtf

[vale pine]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1501622963596693534/Screenshot_2026-05-06_at_7.43.04_PM.png

[pulsar hemlock]

Last night's raid was a banger. 99ed vorasius, got myth Guidon and dagger, still have my bonus rolls.

[vale pine]

nicu

[deft moss]

swapped 2 gems

[pulsar hemlock]

How hard is chim compared to salahadar? We nearly got him as well, but starting on Chim thursday

[steel zinc]

you dont need exaclty 700

its just a number

like stop stressing so much about it

[lilac stag]

curious to see where the Na parses land after EU clears. Raid Buff + 3% spec buff and I would hope most are parsing high last night.

[digital rock]

Every number is just a number

[deft moss]

lol whos stressing?

[wheat edge]

are u ready for next week tho, weapon upgrade

[pulsar hemlock]

I was parsing while I was high, if that's what you mean

[lilac stag]

Extendo Bench Hell

Maybe they finally kill paladins Thursday

[wheat edge]

hopefully killing alleria this week so I can then go pug voidspire

paladins lowkey banger fight

[west tide]

easier than 3rd boss

[wheat edge]

alleria p1 not so much !

[lilac stag]

Not when your healers are struggling and they decide to not use atrophic.

[wheat edge]

[warm marlin]

nah not like this

paladins is the worst fight since stix

[west tide]

that is a hard ahh healing fight

[sacred jewel]

execution wise chimaerus isn't hard, the hard part is to tame the dps goblins to not go full ham on adds while tank is collecting lol

[west tide]

i did not mind paladins

or stix i also sat myself on both of those fights

[wheat edge]

we had 6 melee dps + mistweaver and I still had a whale of a time

[warm marlin]

alleria is the best fight of the tier

and paladins is easily the worst

[wheat edge]

the fun really spiked on 2nd pot execute cds as assa on paladins tho

[vale osprey]

Took me 8 kills or something to get pink parse because too many blasters usually 😭

[warm marlin]

except maybe beloren

[west tide]

i didnt do alleria frick

[graceful osprey]

Zug Zug

[west tide]

i reallly enjoy lura rn

almost 100 pulls in its really fun

[lilac stag]

yes. Idk every guild I’ve ever been in the healer ego check is wild. Every healer can do anything! I love our healers, but considering this was a 6 heal fight actually using atrophic to give you some breathing room maybe a good idea.

[warm marlin]

on rogue i wanted to just leave raid on all of the 200 pulls i played it on lura

so boring

[west tide]

dang 200 u guys owned it

[warm marlin]

we did not kill it

i am no longer on rogue

[west tide]

ohhh

[wheat edge]

[lilac stag]

dk time

[warm marlin]

yessir

[west tide]

wtff

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-21909637

[west tide]

did u only have 1 dk

[vale osprey]

The shindig moment

[warm marlin]

no we had 2

but 3 is better

[lilac stag]

now 3

[wheat edge]

we had 3 rogues at the start of the tier...

[west tide]

we are getting through p1 super easy now with 2

[wheat edge]

now we have 3 dks

[lilac stag]

now zero

[west tide]

lmfaoo dk owns play frost

[wheat edge]

im still here

[west tide]

on lura

[warm marlin]

i will be trying frost tonight after the buffs