subtlety

[astral axle]

i think thats pressing guidon then dance too quickly

[wicked urchin]

im gonna see glaives in my nightmares

[young path]

Well shit, aight i will slow it down. Thanks

[astral axle]

#subtlety message

does it look like this?

[solid elm]

a quickie question, the rings from Nexus arent worht playing on sub right ?

[wicked urchin]

they're good

[drifting ether]

Its a good day dont need to use bonus roll 🤣

[wicked urchin]

but its not myth track

[solid elm]

i got the void one in vault, with leech

[drifting ether]

It'll do for now i get hella other items i can upgrade and still have champ guidon and gaze

[wicked urchin]

ah fair enough

[dry flame]

the set doesnt sim better for me almost never

[craggy cloak]

hey, question about sims, how do we sim if we need to hit the breakpoint of 700 and then other stats? the site is not taking that into considuration, right?

[earnest crane]

i just got the Light ring with roll

[hollow spear]

Ring set is "bis", but you have to be able to make the haste breakpoint

And not overcap too hard

[main rivet]

Hey brogues, really could use some help. I have 815 haste with guidon + oils. But for some reason the sim doesn't want me to recraft any of the haste/mastery pieces into mastery/crit. It also doesn't want me to swap my 16 haste/7 mastery gems in dungeon slice. Am I missing something? Maybe I need to manually force it to cap 700 haste? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7TyoDSC82GeLCZLAqB4QYP

I guess similar question to Hayden

[wicked urchin]

can't see myself using any other rings unless i get mythic alleria neck p much

[hollow spear]

Just ignore it and aim for 700 haste

Put everything above 700 into crit and mastery

[wicked urchin]

^

[main rivet]

ty @hollow spear

[hollow spear]

I hate breakpoints

[wicked urchin]

me too man

gear shuffling this tier is such a pain

thankfully im basically full bis now

or "bis enough"

[hallow mortar]

so what was the real buff this week? i gained like 10k in sims

[thick knot]

I had "bis" feet, catalyzed to get more crit over mast cause of cloud cover

can I uncatalyze feet please

[hallow mortar]

it do not matter, more mastery you get the better crit become to the point that crit is even or better

[peak ice]

Ask away

[hard pawn]

Reject mastery, embrace crit (I'm cooked)

[flint parrot]

!fuu

!sheet

[wicked urchin]

vibes

holy thats big

[hollow spear]

2.5%

[wicked urchin]

3.5 but ye

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

Idk what you want to hear

[peak ice]

Its dungeon slice

Ur pulling big packs

[main rivet]

Yeah, I have 78% mastery without the flask lol

[vale pine]

haste is slightly undervalued in the sim, it is why gear sets typically come out with slightly lower haste

[wicked urchin]

wtf is your base mastery?

[vale pine]

(undervalued in this case means, we typically have higher impact from latency and human error than the sim)

[hollow spear]

The advice is to get 700 haste and get crit/mastery, a tad more mastery for m+

[vale pine]

yes

[hollow spear]

It's not rocket science

[peak ice]

Isn’t it 700 haste with guidon?

[vale pine]

heavy mastery for m+

[north garnet]

Its a comp[licated sim situation. You do want 700 haste + guidon or 800 haste without it

[vale pine]

for raid more balanced

[vale pine]

correct

if you play puzzle box

you go 800

[main rivet]

1101/1380 mastery with no flask

[peak ice]

Yea

[wicked urchin]

gaming

[vale pine]

1100 haste is for deathstalker

[peak ice]

So they have 700 haste and are sinking with a puzzle

It’s what I’m saying

[proper eagle]

Xenas ring is pretty good. Gives much haste

[hollow spear]

If you play puzzle box, don't

[main rivet]

I only M+ though, I don't raid. In fact, when I would use my Puzzlebox, I would have 20% penalty on mastery according to true stats

[hollow spear]

And play guidon

[north garnet]

guidon feels so much better than puzzle

[thorny kestrel]

wow sub rogue seems great in keys (no prio but overall is nice). Burst isn't as good but still better than most burst on packs.

[vale pine]

the problem with puzzle box is, you already gear heavily into mastery

so you hit stat dr's

[mossy holly]

Hey guys, thinking about gearing my rogue as an alt. But debating whether to craft a dagger and play sub or craft a 1h weapon and play outlaw. Will be only for mythic/heroic raiding as I will not be pushing any m+. How is the sub and outlaw comparison looking after todays patch?

[thorny kestrel]

happy to have stayed sub for m+
outlaw feels so clunky

[vale pine]

which is why it can sim equal to guidon on setups without much mastery

[wicked urchin]

it's crazy how much more fun l'ura is to progress than

[main rivet]

Finally got guidon right before reset, so no more puzzlebox and no more DR thankfully lol

[wicked urchin]

checks notes

literally every other fight in the tier

[hollow spear]

Play what feels better, performance is quite even

[thorny kestrel]

sub pretty mindless tbh. great to focus on kicks and shit like that

[hollow spear]

That's why I'm on vacation to let my guild prog cosmos and beloren

[vale pine]

for specs, i would say play what you are familiar with

[empty bobcat]

how good is plume for us now?

[thorny kestrel]

outlaw tracs more stuff

[velvet jay]

I streamed a M+ once for my guild and they flamed me for how easy my rotation was xD

[vale pine]

if you are new to a spec, you have a harder time to adjust to encounter specifics

[empty bobcat]

I have it in vault and I cant decide if plume or set chest

[peak ice]

Do you have gaze?

[thorny kestrel]

yeah since they took away our rupture, and way before that our snd, it's like the easiest spec

[wicked urchin]

crown was alright

belo was pretty miserable

[thorny kestrel]

but even with bleeds to maintain before, it was still easy

[empty bobcat]

not yet no

[vast scarab]

is myth guidon worth over myth chest even when having hero track guidon? i have no issue fitting second ST in cds

[solar glen]

We not playin Cloud Cover anymore after nerf?

[wicked urchin]

no

[mossy holly]

Familiar with both, was just wondering the performance in the raid rather than just looking at sims. And according to logs both seems even. Thanks for the help

[solar glen]

God bless

[tribal blade]

sub was tied with arcane mage as the hardest rotation in TWW

[peak ice]

Do you have like 4 piece tier?

[empty bobcat]

yes but chest is hero I got myth in vault

[north garnet]

myth guidon for sure. remember the 298 upgrade for trinkets is coming soon

[wicked urchin]

god i miss her

[vale pine]

you can play it in m+

but for raiding, mostly no

[peak ice]

I’d just sim it to be safe

[empty bobcat]

Ima sim it

ye

[vale pine]

subtlety had the hardest rotation in tww/df

but its now simplified to the point mastery and expertise are more about

[solar glen]

But we still fighting for Crit or we switch back to Mastery?

[vale pine]

knowing bugs and how to play around them

XD

[solar glen]

In Raid btw

Ahh there is a new pin thank youuu

[vale pine]

we essentially move back to a similar stat spread like we had before the nerf

[wicked urchin]

ironically i was way better at old sub than new sub

[peak ice]

What’s considered a difficult class now days

[vale pine]

not sure, think everything is now simple

[tribal blade]

honestly no idea

[solar glen]

After i looted Vorasius Ring on BiS 🤡 My rl gonna hate me for now

[vale pine]

design direction blizz took with midnight

[peak ice]

I’ve only got a few alts but like

[wicked urchin]

not your fault

[peak ice]

Compared think subs harder

[north garnet]

I feel like outlaw is straight up harder without weak auras haha

[vale pine]

sub is harder because rogue is in general a bit harder

energy and combo point management

as well as stance managemenr

*management

both is not present to this extend on other classes

[final gulch]

doesnt exist

[peak ice]

Mage and devourer feel real easy

[north garnet]

dev aparently has quite a difficulty curve

[final gulch]

ye our lord and savior blizzard thought it was cool to cut a lot of skill expression from classes and specs :>

another great change

[dusky verge]

devourer is easy on a dummy but judging by the extreme variance in raid logs not so easy in an actual encounter (though I've only tried it in m+)

[peak ice]

Idk if they were wrong tbh

Outlaw was miserable

[earnest crane]

mostly cuz it needs to ramp up souls while others bursting on first pull

[north garnet]

Outlaw variance in logs is something

[peak ice]

Feel like you lose a ton with bad positions n stuff

[idle birch]

i dont think sub is hard at all. It is just that any class/spec that entirely depend on short bursts of dmg tend to be harder for ppl coz it is pretty easy to mess that window up by sending cds in wrong place

[dusky verge]

positioning is part of skill expression for ranged spec though always has been (unless BM)

[hearty mural]

what options do i use for simming M+? and Raid ? Dungeon slice and patchwerk?

[peak ice]

Ye just feels double bad when so much is packed into the star and you have to cancel it

I mean it’s cool and I like it, but feels bad

[dry flame]

Huge difference between runs too, especially if you pug.

On both Assa / Sub I've had such huge range, while playing the exact same way. What/how tanks pull is way bigger factor than anything I do, unfortunately

[hearty mural]

honestly dont know what arrow up means..lemme see if chatgpt knows

[peak ice]

Also heroic raid is uhhh

Diverse

[tribal blade]

i've been on a tear of watching people give advice on youtube on how to improve in keys

[peak ice]

“Make sure you kick”

[tribal blade]

and literally every single video is like "it's not damage, it's defensives/kicks/etc etc

always downplaying damage

when i think

[burnt loom]

its psychologically hard to be any kind of rogue

[tribal blade]

damage is the most important thing

it's the 1 thing everyone will judge you by instantly

[peak ice]

People don’t kick fear in magisters

[tribal blade]

and the most surefire way you can see someone is gonna climb IO fast is they do high damage

all those other things are very important, sure

but i just find it funny how all these people (including rank 1 players) downplay the importance of dps output in keys

[dusky verge]

I did have a ret paladin do highest damage in maisara 13 on my resto druid without a single kick

[peak ice]

I think they just expect you to do normal dps

[spiral needle]

I imagine they are looking through the lens of if you know how to properly kick and defensive, you should already know how to do damage too

[peak ice]

And then also kick

[tribal blade]

yeah for sure that's really bad

but you can just kick enough

and then you'll climb way faster than someone who does 0 dmg but gets every kick

[spiral needle]

something like that isn't really going to exist though

[peak ice]

I don’t think those are aimed at us boss

[spiral needle]

if youa re set up to be a pro kicker, you are gonna already know how to do damage properly

[north garnet]

i feel like its emphasised because damage often is what players obsess about anyway and playing your spec at a high level is required if you want to push. I do see people miss time their defensives or not use their utility even in 18s

[peak ice]

It’s aimed at people who don’t sim

[tribal blade]

no

this is very much not the case

[spiral needle]

i mean kicking the right things instead of every 1st bolt though

[tribal blade]

i have seen every combo of player in keys

but you're mistaking my point for saying only damage matters

when i said people are underplaying how important damage is

[dry flame]

I think it's because the people who watch those videos do not have their fundamentals down.

Its much harder to time 10s with skill-appropriate people, just because of how much they die.

[spiral needle]

nah, I'm just giving the youtubers the benefit of the doubt

[peak ice]

It’s kinda pointless to have a video saying it though isn’t it

“Just do more damage”

[spiral needle]

i would like to think they are stressing kicks and defensives as the next level after damage, instead of purely focusing on 100% damage

[tribal blade]

true yeah, but i'm also watching videos aimed at people who want to push title

and it's the same thing

[tribal blade]

YUP true

but it's the truth

and i think everyone is trying to give super fancy answers

[spiral needle]

gotta get those clicks

[peak ice]

They’re probably assuming the people watching it aren’t single button rotation

[tribal blade]

everyone in the high key pushing scene cares a LOT about damage

[dusky verge]

I mean judging by reddit you can at least push 3k with OBR xD

[spiral needle]

yea i doubt the guy doing 80k overall is looking for videos on how to chase title

[tribal blade]

and then for rank 1 players doing high damage is a given, which is why they downplay it's importance

they never run with anyone doing low damage

it's just varying degrees of rank 1 damage

[peak ice]

I mean that’s just 12s right?

You could probably 1 button mage to 3k

[dusky verge]

true 😛

[dry flame]

I am not the best player, I just solo pug, got my 3.4k, most of the time im topping meters, but i just try to play clean.
For me, its just, idk what's the best way tro phrase it, but - discouraging?
I try to play consistent, kinda memorising roughly what i have for different packs or pulls, but depending on how th group is tanking or pulling, seeing 20-40k difference in overall without me doing anything different is rough

[tribal blade]

yeah that's different though

that's not in your control

[drifting ether]

Do i cook with puzzle box for 0.3% 🤣
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/18Ywv5pUvubvhqS9QJTgPR

[tribal blade]

and then the higher you go in key level the better the routes become

[earnest crane]

and the funny thing is while Dev and DK are meta when i group up with them i almost do as much dps as them and most of the times better dps and still cant get in GP in pugs cuz everyone want red and purple

[spiral needle]

your fault for not having grip or a brz

[earnest crane]

i have B ress

[tribal blade]

haha they just suck then

because both those specs are way better than sub atm

[peak ice]

Dk does some crazy aoe

[tribal blade]

there's a reason they're meta specs

[earnest crane]

i know they are better but in pugs things are diffrent

[alpine wraith]

it is not only the dps most of the time

but all the utility

[peak ice]

Yea I feel warlocks are very hit or miss too

[tribal blade]

yeah combo of damage and utility

[peak ice]

But gate skips

[alpine wraith]

like mf aug can knock bitches up 4 times in 4 secs

rogue can stun 1 ONE target

[tribal blade]

but usually damage

[peak ice]

I love having at aug in runs

[alpine wraith]

or disorient for 1 secs every min

[peak ice]

Don’t kick me

[tribal blade]

DK is quite unique because they bring stuff to keys that's irreplacable

[alpine wraith]

it is very strong

[tribal blade]

like grips and being immortal

[alpine wraith]

also yea grip

[peak ice]

It just makes my life so easy when the whole pack is just like perma ccd by the dragon

So good

[earnest crane]

devs are kinda immortal too

so much self heal

[peak ice]

Guaranteed they have the most deaths

[alpine wraith]

dragons can also dispel almost anything

[peak ice]

Dash into collapsing star is the devourer play

[blissful basin]

hi guys, simple question... try to Bonusroll Gaze M when i have HC Gaze or Bonusroll in Dungeons for mythic upgrades?

[peak ice]

Hc is heroic?

Think it’s a sim it answer

[earnest crane]

But trust me bro if u have insane dmg u will be meta its always about dmg just go back and watch surv dmg in season 3 shadowland

[blissful basin]

true. gaze on mythic is an ~800dps gain. M+ gear maybe 500 on each slot

[empty bobcat]

isnt SV top also rn?

[fossil forge]

Do more damage? No kicks or defensives needed

[peak ice]

If you don’t have a mythic weapon, might be worth trying to get one

[azure ember]

is this with or without guidon?

[blissful basin]

i have vorasius dagger on mythic track and crafted in offhand

[hollow python]

should i take hero voidsong neck in vault to replace my myth crafted from 3 days ago for +50 dps, or myth tier leggings (downgrade) to collect the transmog

[tribal blade]

#subtlety message 😉

[peak ice]

Neck for that spicy haste

Oh hero err

[solar glen]

Is it worth it to miss 62 Haste to 700 and get 180 Crit?
On my Sim its worth it but i know Raidbots hate haste

[alpine wraith]

you can switch some gems around to get closer to 700 haste again

[solar glen]

Its already switched thats the point

Its my max Haste actually

Its about AA Ring or MT Ring

[mortal trail]

Got gaze + guidon MM and my droptimizer says HC mastery plume is a 2.6% upgrade, WTF is going on?

[somber sun]

like bro

[tribal blade]

list your own key

[solar glen]

If i choose the MT ring im ending up on 724 Haste, 748 Crit, 782 Mast.
If i choose AA ring im ending up on 921 Crit, 638 Haste, 695 Mast

[vale pine]

F

[somber sun]

I need that pos

and I cant redeem anything

from vault

before I roll there

[tribal blade]

ah i see

[short radish]

Talk to the panda and say you lost your key

[vale pine]

The problem many face now is

you essentially need to roll your bonus rolls and take your vault

after

[blissful basin]

i have the same problem. cant switch gems. only choice too swap items or recraft

[vale pine]

because many times, you have multiple pieces you have minor upgrades from

and don't want to waste your vault

any system has flaws

[vale osprey]

First is better anyhow, are you gemmed into haste? Just swap a gem or use whetstone over phoenix oil

[vale pine]

i have the same problem btw.

i still need to take last weeks vault

[solar glen]

16 Haste 7 Mast

[vale pine]

i ran like 50 keys

but we only ran the key, besides me asking for it

one time

XD

people painfully avoid the

[vale osprey]

Perfect, just drop a gem for mast crit gem

[vale pine]

"hey, would be nice if we can do this key"

[somber sun]

yeah idk atp

better for me to wake up at exactly the reset hour

[solar glen]

So i recommend the MT Ring for now

[somber sun]

only then people will take you

and cba waiting for end of the week

[vale pine]

and thats because they want to play for resilient/score

and this means, you need to be lucky that they need the specific key still

[vale osprey]

Just remove m+ vault

So we don't have to do it

[vale pine]

haha

to be fair

[mortal trail]

@vale pine can u check this? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/74uppytDaofE5e4WPhCfqK

[vale pine]

wow has changed into a grind simulation more than ever

[short radish]

Remove m+

[mortal trail]

Im simming for Beloren (40s burst)

[velvet jay]

what is there to grind though?

not hero gear I assume?

[vale pine]

40 sec sims are kinda not good

see

the sim has a 20% variance

so you essentially sim between 32 sec and 48 sec

the short duration makes it prone to mistakes

[thorny kestrel]

really? I found arcane to be much harder because your window was so tight

[vale osprey]

Knew I liked you fim

[vale pine]

and also makes critical strike and other higher variance factors mor relevant

which is why the trinket from baloren sims higher

it has flat stats, which give benefits directly in form of output

[mortal trail]

Makes sense, i went for more crit after cloud changes and lowered my mastery but didnt think mastery now with new changes was so important

[thorny kestrel]

waiit i might have been thinking of sl lol

[vale pine]

while alnseer has a chance to give certain benefits

[thorny kestrel]

not tww caney

[short radish]

🤝

[tribal blade]

i can't remember who, but someone in this channel asked their buddy who plays both sub and arcane at like WR 50 or something which rotation was harder, and he said sub had a harder baseline rotation, but arcane was harder when you factored in defensive and movement

might have been eleem or stealthi, i really can't remember

[thorny kestrel]

yeah movement can fuck you so bad

[vale pine]

stealthi

[tribal blade]

YES i had a hunch it was ty

[vale pine]

but ye

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[vale pine]

basically

[somber sun]

W bro

[vale pine]

stealthi asked a top world rank player who played both arcane and subtlety which one was harder

[fossil forge]

brahs im getting on paladins rekill today

No more benching…

[vale pine]

and subtlety was in general harder

while there are some small diffrences

[tribal blade]

exactly yeah

[thorny kestrel]

huh... maybe it's because i've played sub for so long, it never felt as hard as arcane ever

[vale pine]

onne thing i remember was

that something i think is important was a bit downplayed

how punishing subtlety was for mistakes

[tribal blade]

it definitely is, when you have a lot of muscle memory on a spec you don't realize how hard it actually is

[vale pine]

basically

even if the difficulty of execution ends up the same

[thorny kestrel]

yeah probably that

[tribal blade]

had a lot of people coming in here before losing their minds over the rotation

[vale pine]

if you lose massive amounts of damage on one spec and can't recover easy

again, my opinion

[tribal blade]

yeah that was sub big time

[abstract cosmos]

how does sub rogue feel after patch havent tested it

[tribal blade]

fuck up cds

[vale pine]

you should consider it harder

[tribal blade]

you're a goner

[thorny kestrel]

i like sub in keys after patch

[tribal blade]

it feels a lot easier to regain momentum after messing up with sub now

[vale pine]

to be fair

i think dust was harder to play

dust i had to spend insane amounts of time to make the sim work

[tribal blade]

feels good

[abstract cosmos]

ye in keys i changed to assa coz i didnt like how sub felt before

[vale pine]

like a month of full time job work or more

just to have a good baseline when the patch released

[thorny kestrel]

sub pumps in keys, just no funnel prio unless you decide to

[tribal blade]

sub is definitely still not OP though

[vale pine]

and even then, we had to optimize for each fight

[alpine wraith]

dust was very fun

[abstract cosmos]

i prefer assa

for keys

[alpine wraith]

kill timers etc were very cool to try and get the most of

but also if there was ever a need to send it all

[vale pine]

you don't rly lose much

[alpine wraith]

you could vanish 2 times

[vale pine]

worse case you need to slightly delay your 90 sec cooldowns

[tribal blade]

yeah it's not as bad as before

before you messed up a flag window

it was gg lol

[vale pine]

you don't impact your shadow dance/symbols of death economy

long time

which was the big issue before

you are out of symbols charges?

[tribal blade]

yes that as well

[vale pine]

how do you recover?

[tribal blade]

impossible

[vale pine]

by not using cooldowns for extended periods of time

[tribal blade]

also do rotation wrong/lose too many globals in flag window

it's joever

[vale pine]

but doing so means you don't do damage for a LONG time

which lowers your output noticable

sooo

you are fucked

w/e

[tribal blade]

yeah was pretty bad before

[vale pine]

tho i think even the current iteraiton is somewhat hard to understand

because cooldowns still don't align naturally

we essentially take haste so that they do align better

XD

[tribal blade]

i think current sub is not as easy as people think it is

that's my feeling at least

[vale pine]

and human error for new players typically makes it work without much thought

[tribal blade]

i don't think it's super complicated though

[vale pine]

like

the 10 sec gap you kinda have

is something you need to play around

but if you are always using your sucessive dance casts late

[river pendant]

trying to play rogue for splits I already got a dk and dh

[vale pine]

which is normal for a beginner

you auto pilote somewhat correct

I think subtleties baseline is easy

[keen dome]

🙏

[vale pine]

it just has bugs and some not extremely well thought through talent options to make things harder

[keen dome]

Blessed freedom

[vale pine]

congrats

i will get my one for sure in the bonusroll on the fight

[keen dome]

I believe

[vale pine]

(i probably won't)

[tribal blade]

this is extremely unreliable data

but how things are shaping up

oh boy look at dev still up there

[vale pine]

dk too

[abstract cosmos]

ppl think dev nerf will actually cripple them

[tribal blade]

lol there was no shot

[vale pine]

think i mentioned it the other week

i think patches seem a lot more placebo tuning

where there are changes, but technically nothing rly changes

[abstract cosmos]

thing is most devs are pretty stinky

they just switch coz of meta

[jaunty umbra]

thats any meta spec really

[keen dome]

Oh right I should fix my talents..

[wheat crypt]

Did tunning get applied?

[keen dome]

Almost forgot about the change back

[abstract cosmos]

you mean the buffs and nerfs ?

[wheat crypt]

Y

[sullen hare]

Almost forgot to log in and play

[abstract cosmos]

yes

go back to mastery

and old build

[wheat crypt]

Oh then

There goes my fked up states

[sullen hare]

Or just rock the same gear and call it a win

[abstract cosmos]

just swap ur craft and rings or neck

ez

thats all i did

why i saved my biggest stat weights

[wheat crypt]

Good idea tbh

[empty bobcat]

poor fire mage players

[keen dome]

I will miss you dumb smoke bomb graphic that lasted for 2 weeks

[wheat crypt]

Craft one ring and get aa ring then good to go

[tribal blade]

i have very little sympathy for mages tbh

[keen dome]

same

[tribal blade]

they have a spec that's topping in raid

[keen dome]

Mages don't know right from wrong

[vale pine]

meta chasing is never about being the absolute best

it is a effort assessment

[sullen hare]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I recognize their struggle. They never gave a fuck about us when we were down bad

[vale pine]

basically, people meta chase

[tribal blade]

also the 1 season they're not super OP meta

and then it's the end of the world for them

WELCOME TO REALITY

[vale pine]

because the meta dps can often do 10% or more damage than others

in mythic+ can be more extreme

like unholy dk in aoe is absurd

can do like 50% more than others or even higher

so, by switching to the meta every patch

[keen dome]

How does Gaze work? Just passive proc gain stat ignore it, right?

[tribal blade]

that exists whenever a spec is meta

[tulip gorge]

premeditation my old friend 🥹

[drifting ether]

Do yous know if the alleria neck is weighted the same as other pieces for bonus roll or is it less because its rare

[vale pine]

you essentially get these 10% extra dps

[tribal blade]

a fuckton of bad players on it

[vale pine]

and assume you play your the spec worse by like 10%

[tribal blade]

yes

[vale pine]

these 10% are not 10% dps, but like 2-5%

[keen dome]

rad

[vale pine]

so even tho you don't play the class/spec well

[tribal blade]

it's a very noisy trinket

which is funny

[keen dome]

This is the first one I've gotten, so.

[vale pine]

you still gain 5% by simply playing a diffrent class less efficient

[tribal blade]

you proc the trinket and then it creates a window in which you stack up the agi

[sullen hare]

First trinket!? Grats my dude

[abstract cosmos]

imagine if sub becomes meta HOLY

what a time

to be alive

[tribal blade]

it won't happen

not unless we do insane dmg

[keen dome]

From champ rep trinket to myth gaze 'cos in the 20+ N/H kills and 4 mythic kills it wouldn't drop!

[tribal blade]

like gapping by a fuckton

sub was already really good during TWW S3

[sullen hare]

We did get some fresh blood lately but most will abandon it, as always

[tribal blade]

and didn't become meta

because no raid buff/utility

BM took that spot

[keen dome]

when rogue raid buff

[tribal blade]

WHEN

[sullen hare]

Never probably

Unless Claude comes up with some slick shit

Hey Claude if you're listening...

[abstract cosmos]

im a new sub rogue but i wont swap off sub cool

[sullen hare]

Welcome

[astral axle]

i just like rogue

[sullen hare]

[cloud rover]

We do use Mastery flask over Crit now right

Because Raidbots still used crit on automatic

[alpine wraith]

most of the time yes

[tribal blade]

cool thing is everyone in here loves rogue

because that's the biggest reason to play it atm

[sullen hare]

Even if it doesn't sound like it sometimes

[tribal blade]

haha we just complain because we care

[light hull]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tribal blade]

btw can you guys remind me when the next PTR forum thing is active

[keen dome]

the egg has 10 seconds more and pug groups STILL can't one phase it lmao

[tribal blade]

because i need to make a post about rogue raid buff in there

[tribal blade]

damn sad

[sullen hare]

That actually is kinda tragic though

Wasn't it like 25% extra burn time?

[rain sentinel]

If only this top% could be realistic...

[dry flame]

https://giphy.com/gifs/1inch-lfg-lets-fuckin-go-twitter-crypto-u3wxhL63uuhMqoMKQF

[hazy lichen]

anyone have st sims

for all specs

is there a website

[sullen hare]

201k in what, m+?

[rain sentinel]

Ye

[sullen hare]

I could see it being accurate yeah

That's not particularly unheard of but you'll not hit that pugging which can make it feel unrealistic

[vale pine]

the problem is

[rain sentinel]

It's an average of the top parses, so it will flatten out eventually

[vale pine]

people don't even trust in one phasing

like we did one heroic pug

[dry flame]

Can we get Blizz to hire someone who loves too?

[keen dome]

They shouldn't haha

[vale pine]

and besides the strategy layed out

[keen dome]

One phase sucks

[vale pine]

people fucking don't do it

[keen dome]

But also it's because people are real dumb and don't push buttons or don't stop pushing buttons

[elfin plank]

[vale pine]

we also re-cleared heroic

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[keen dome]

Like we just phased the boss with the add alive 'cos people wouldn't stop pushing

[vale pine]

and our raiders, so people who play mythic

have like 5-7 people

who don't hold cooldowns

which is insane to me

they rather use cooldowns on cooldown and parse better

[keen dome]

Haha

[vale pine]

than do the fight in 2 mintues

[keen dome]

That's not good!

[elfin plank]

Bro our RL went badshit crazy on belo

[vale pine]

i mean

we now know who to bench

[elfin plank]

Because the hunter didn’t

[vale pine]

[elfin plank]

And he didn’t for 60 pulls

Insta got flicked

Into oblivion

Made 3 of his friends leave

[dry flame]

At this point, it's on the RL to enforce rules/consequences, no?

[keen dome]

I pop my cooldowns the first pull of the pug I join to see if I get them back for egg or not. Typically I do 'cos if you have to wait for the second add in the first cycle to spawn, it'll phase at around 1:20 into the fight

[sullen hare]

That's how it is though

That's actually just how it is

[vale pine]

sure but what you do, if you just quickly do heroic for the trinkets

[abstract cosmos]

i just send cds fake it

[vale pine]

you killed it

so what consequence do you have?

1-2 minutes of lost time

[sullen hare]

At some point you run into apathy though

[vale pine]

like, if it comes to me

everyone who couldn't follow what was said

should be just replaced

but i am one of 4 officers

[neon stirrup]

holding cds is good for parses tho. Killing it in 1 phase means you will parse infinitly better

[vale pine]

well yes

but if everyone holds

and you get a 2nd cooldown use out of it

you parse better

which is exactly what happened

its extremely simple

2x your full cd set > 1x your full cd set

[neon stirrup]

just a bad crowd you are pugging it with then

idk i dont pug

[vale pine]

that was a guild group

XD

[modern whale]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[clear aspen]

anyone uses potion of recklessness in M+? is it the go to?

[vale pine]

my point tho was

[neon stirrup]

xd

[vale pine]

that people disslike the idea of holding cd's and if its benefitial to them not to

will do so

parsing culture is a pain

[sullen hare]

The apathy I'm talking about is coming from my own position- what's the point for me to do what mathematically is correct when almost no one else in my raid group does? It's nice to feel smug and all but when the official raid group strat doesn't take any of that care or concern into hand then all it does is make you feel like you're applying clown makeup one pull at a time

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[vale pine]

Most boss strategies are not whats mathematically correct

raiding is a lot about finding consistent and easy to perform strategies

you don't care if your entire raid sacrafices 20% dps

if you can easy and fast kill the boss

[neon stirrup]

well in ideal world yeah

everyone works for a common goal

[keen dome]

[neon stirrup]

but the type of a person that spends hours playing wow and games isnt the one to be the most logical

and its even harder when you need whole 20 of them

i dont even know 20 people

[keen dome]

Pug strats are all about making the 25 random people kill the boss even if it is inferior to an actual strat

[vale pine]

its also like this

[keen dome]

it's funny

[vale pine]

strategies discovered early are rarely replaced

unless you find something noticably simpler

[gilded ferry]

is dragons as sub troll or we fine?

[sullen hare]

That's the truth

[vale pine]

your raid team learned the strategy

so unless you can skip things

nobody cares about doing things more optimal

[clear aspen]

its fine

[vale pine]

even the world first raiders mention this after the race some times

how guilds figured out better strategies after the wfr

[hazy lichen]

whos the best rogue player

[vale pine]

which would have made the boss a lot easier

[graceful rock]

I used all my bonus rolls on nexus point

[vale pine]

i don't think there is a single best

[graceful rock]

Still don’t have the haste mast ring

[neon stirrup]

"dps brain" should be studied. I am sure there are thesis for some psychology PHD where they could use an example of a person acting against their best intrest for short termed dopamine of seeing bar long

[vale pine]

did you get the ring set?

F

[neon stirrup]

is using CDS the wrong way literally being a drug addict?

[hazy lichen]

whos looked at as the best currently or strongest candidate to be the best rn

[clear aspen]

unlucky, i just rolled for the first time today and got it 1st try, hoping on the 2nd now

[graceful rock]

I have a hero track one at least

[keen dome]

We have a lot of studies of people acting against their self interest. It's the same principle but with less actual consequence

[graceful rock]

Guaranteed it next roll

[vale pine]

I don't think there is one best or looked at as best or sth like this

[keen dome]

An interesting angle would be looking at it through toxic / benign online disinhibition though

[errant pagoda]

Is Nexus Ring Set good ?

[vale pine]

inherenly what you ask is who you can copy from?

[hazy lichen]

if its u and ur trying to be humble u can say that

[vale pine]

if so, just open https://www.lorrgs.io/

and look how the top performing logs play a fight

for mythic+ there isn't that much subtlety played

[keen dome]

we should decide the best by whoever has the nicest cat

[vale pine]

but most top r.io players will have very similar builds

[hazy lichen]

is sub just bad in m+

[vale pine]

for what its worth

[keen dome]

it falls off as stuff lives longer

[vale pine]

the chinese seem to rly like mastery stacking for m+

and not getting the haste brekapoints even

this technically, should be worse

but high key pushing is never about perfect optimization of dps

[neon stirrup]

probably simpler to play?

[shadow lance]

I gave a shot with guildies yesterday

[vale pine]

its just a missconception

[shadow lance]

Where are the damages?

[vale pine]

that mastery is the only stat that increases your aoe output

it does so, so its correct

but haste extends your dance window

[errant pagoda]

High key pushing is chain pulls and aoe spamm

[vale pine]

so more dance = longer damage amps

[gilded ferry]

That would be @empty hornet

[vale pine]

:/

you don't like any of my 3 cats

[empty hornet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252496097826443296/1351669182210637966/yellow-dinosaurio.gif

[vale pine]

how dare you

[small sleet]

sub really is pretty solid on this patch in m+

[keen dome]

Post more cats

I will judge them all

[sullen hare]

I think the w word might be a little strong there

[gilded ferry]

i never saw them, where pics

[vale pine]

#1146207476983812117 has some

[vale pine]

we got a small buff

so we better than before

[keen dome]

And I look at every post with awe. Some real good cats in there.

[shadow lance]

I'm not agreeing

But I might be just bad

[small sleet]

i'm keeping up with arms/survival in high keys right now

[abstract cosmos]

is 65% mastery okay ?

[keen dome]

Gaze has so much masteryon it, it's so nice.

[abstract cosmos]

yes glad

i got that in vault

holy mythic is goates

[gilded ferry]

I miss my cat

[vale pine]

:/ i still run champion renown

[keen dome]

you'll get myth gaze SOON

TODAY

right now??

[abstract cosmos]

thing is gaze on champion is peobs better then all hero trinkets

[vale pine]

surely

[sullen hare]

Hell yeah

[vale pine]

in 3 weeks or so

[neon stirrup]

if you want gaze just drop it?

[vale pine]

once i spend all my bonus rolls on chim

[neon stirrup]

what is the issue

i just wanted it used bonus roll and got it

works 100% of times for me

[vale pine]

haha

[gusty wharf]

anyone got new talent build ?

[gilded ferry]

Are u mythic raiding fuu?

[vale pine]

yes

[keen dome]

yes it's the old talent build and also in the pins

[shadow lance]

Can't compete devourer with who I run

It makes me mad

[vale pine]

but i was not in on last weeks chim kill

[sullen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/its-science-ron-burgundy-anchorman-gif-14237880

[vale pine]

because we had to test some of our new trails

[gilded ferry]

That sucks

[vale pine]

it is what it is

-1 week for gaze

[alpine wraith]

dont worry you will be like me

[gilded ferry]

One of the issues of making a really good trinket is that its bis for everyone

[alpine wraith]

the other trink into chest

into the other trink again

[vale pine]

thanks

haha

[alpine wraith]

A>aaAaAaAa

btw the trink was already nerfed 2 times

[vale pine]

i still need to spend one of my bonusrolls

[alpine wraith]

imagine

[vale pine]

on skyreach

want the dagger

-.-

[sullen hare]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is the sound I'd be making too tbh

[gilded ferry]

No 289 dagger?

[vale pine]

nope

[keen dome]

Gonna slam Nexus and get the other ring

[cloud rover]

I have a 50/50 for Gaze or a Belt i already have with Socket

[vale pine]

i am fucked

[gilded ferry]

Luck might not be with you but we are

[vale pine]

no good passive trinket

and no mythic dagger

so far

haha

tho its fine

[sullen hare]

Damn

[gilded ferry]

How much u simming?

[vale pine]

i mean

[sullen hare]

I'd ask how but damn that's just real unlucky

[vale pine]

our guild saw i think 1 gaze drop so far in mythic

and before that 1 on normal week one

[sullen hare]

Have you tried not being unlucky?

[neon stirrup]

getting myth trinkets from fuu's list knowing he still has them on champ track

[lilac osprey]

Gm guys, are we going back to the old build?

[vale pine]

tbh i think its my account

i keep getting unlucky

[unique beacon]

I feel you. I'm in the same boat. Got super lucky with HC trinkets early on and haven't even seen a mythic weapon

[gilded ferry]

So basically anyone that has it got from bonus rolls hahaha, i got Mine that way as well.

[vale pine]

yes

anyone who got gaze

either got it in vault or bonusroll

and we have lik 21 people who needed it

[cloud rover]

Same for us

[neon stirrup]

we got like 3 mythic ones so far i think

[vale pine]

think 23 even

[gilded ferry]

Yeah, every class wants that shit

[whole lichen]

how dmg from 2set ring is calculated - does it count if both rings are on myth track?

[cunning umbra]

soo is sub rogue cooked? do we still play mainly mastery stat

[vale pine]

you just need both rings

[neon stirrup]

what we cannot get is Guidon for our DK

[vale pine]

but the set damage is fairly low

[neon stirrup]

he still runs LFR

[vale pine]

so

i got guidon

[dreamy wedge]

Good morning. I got nothing in vault, nothing on bonus rolls, nothing on chim pug. Cya next week 😄

[vale pine]

for what its woeth

*worth

[crystal quiver]

Do we know how 298 sht will work? If we choose a dagger is our outlaw spec just chopped, or do we get to upgrade any wep as well to 298

[vale pine]

our dk was not there when it dropped

so i was the only one with prio

[gilded ferry]

They could have made the other trinkets a little better, the setup rn is exactly the same for every rogue

[keen dome]

Find and pet a cat for good luck

[vale pine]

our tank also wanted it

but dps > tank on it

[neon stirrup]

I outrolled our DK and now he says i cursed him cause he cannot get it for weeks

[keen dome]

the way it works for pvp is you get slivers and combine them into an item to upgrade a specific item. I imagine it's the same in pve. Get parts of it -> make upgrade item -> apply it. Probably infinitely

[abstract cosmos]

thats what he gets for being meta

[neon stirrup]

we needed 3 - 2 droped on mythic 0 on heroic

[crystal quiver]

it comes next week yea?

[gilded ferry]

It was so weird to still be using normal guidon until this week

[sullen hare]

Been cooked for a long time what flavor are you looking for?

[keen dome]

two weeks I think?

I actually don't know

[neon stirrup]

we upgrade cloak to 289 right?

[red vortex]

so is vorasius dagger bis again this patch? or still bel'oren? Wowhead says bel

[keen dome]

Maybe next week. I've been in a diablo shaped hole for a week, I lost track of time.

[vale pine]

loot is weird this seaosn

but idk

its fine

a lot of the systems are "win more" systems now

if you get good loot

you are more likely to get more good loot

[dreamy wedge]

Normal guidon is simmin better for you then hc/mytic puzzlebox?

[vale pine]

if you got unlucky

you need longer to catch up

(because the ones you compete with get loot faster)

i don't think i saw many talk abut it, but its an interessting consequence

[bronze karma]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[sullen hare]

I'm not sure I've noticed that but it feels like everything is just buried in m+ splits

Feel free to cue up the astronaut meme if you must

[vale pine]

wow is more grindy now

and content is designed to last longer

e.g. why there is a weekly cap on crests still

and why content comes out more delayed

it changes perception for players

[neon stirrup]

thats math aroung player involvment tho

they want you to play

[abstract cosmos]

i think it being more grindy is v nice

[neon stirrup]

they need you to play

[abstract cosmos]

i felt the tww was rlly boring

[vale pine]

you keep activating the happy neurons more often, even tho you just get to do the same things spread out over a longer period of time

compared to have things faster

[neon stirrup]

Crests ensure player retention for more weeks other than just raid logging

[vale pine]

i don't say its bad

[neon stirrup]

if they lift the cap we will stop palying

[vale pine]

everyone enjoys diffrent things

[neon stirrup]

at least many of us

and just raid log

[vale pine]

exactly

[neon stirrup]

less play time less looking at shop

less chacnes you spend money

[vale pine]

wow is designed to decide how you play it

rather than putting the player in charge

weather thats good or bad

everyone needs to decide for themselves

[astral thunder]

How much haste was the breakpoint again?

[vale pine]

700 with guidom

800 without

1100 if you want to play deathstalker

[astral thunder]

aight ty

[neon stirrup]

honestly i like the cap at first but they should remove it at .5

[sullen hare]

(including consumables)

[vale pine]

i mean its all of it

[neon stirrup]

i dont want to have unlifted cap since begining cause i would not be able to compete with players who can play 24/7

[vale pine]

e.g. think of this patch

the item upgrade for your weapons/trinkets

is 4 weeks delayed

by doing this

[astral thunder]

ye got 709 haste with consumes

[vale pine]

you have something to do for 4 weeks to even get your first upgrade

you keep plaiyng

and then there will be the next patch

with another system that unlocks power

again not immidiatly

[sullen hare]

Yep

[neon stirrup]

yeah and it makes you play

log in everyday

and not to work

which i am supposed to be at now

if i explain my boss that my productivity is lower cause of 289 item will he understand

[vale pine]

think its a interessting discussion

as it coms down to perspective

like, there is nothing in making things engaging

e.g. youtube, twitter, even news sites

[sullen hare]

That whole paradigm is why it's becoming harder and harder for me to justify an ongoing sub if it feels like there's a treadmill that I just don't feel like getting on

[vale pine]

without a good algorithm are fairly meh

[neon stirrup]

but once its spinning its hard to get off

[vale pine]

but how much should you be able to be in control over things

[sullen hare]

For example: why should I buy the expansion on launch if it's becoming a beta test? Why not but the expansion halfway through when all the systems are finally implemented?

[vale pine]

and how much should companies impact your decision via psychological tricks?

[sullen hare]

Actually true though, legs just keep on walking like magic

[vale pine]

I mean, the treadmill is the game

wow is basically

the journey is the goal

[sullen hare]

Well yes

[vale pine]

you play wow because you like to get power by grinding

[red vortex]

@vale pine is bislist on wowhead accurate for this patch?

[sullen hare]

I know we're basically iterating on the same thought

Well that's a bold one

[tulip gorge]

wasn't it the other way around?

[vale pine]

i updated it on sunday or monday with the sims i did, so yes

[tulip gorge]

800 with guidom, 700 without?

[sullen hare]

Nope you have it reversed Rob

[vale pine]

nope

[fiery fog]

we are not reclearing anymore

and the vault blesses me

thank the gods

[vale pine]

aleria neck is nice

[plush roost]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LTPVWvrg1Kqabtz8?fight=46&type=damage-done&phase=3&targetclass=Boss

[neon stirrup]

sweet sweet aleria neck

[plush roost]

I think sub in keys

[neon stirrup]

oh wait we are talking about an iutem

[plush roost]

Kinda good

[tulip gorge]

all this time I was using haste flask because I didn't have 800 haste

[vale pine]

systems change in interessting ways

i kind of would want to write a post about it

[sullen hare]

Boy do I have good news for you

[vale pine]

and like

grind games are popular

e.g. runescape still has a big fanbase

and its entire gameplay loop is boring and grindy (to me)

[sullen hare]

I don't know about big but yeah, very dedicated

They did some tomfoolery with their subscription pricing

[vale pine]

wow i feel like falls into the same categroy, maybe with a higher reach

i don't think wow grows that much

[sullen hare]

I'd say that's fair

[vale pine]

so what wow is optimizing is player retention

and it does so by spreading content out more

so you keep playing

and making things more grindy

without it feeling like that

[sullen hare]

It's clearly working right?

[vale pine]

i don't know

i wish i would

[hearty steeple]

26 years

it is working

[sullen hare]

Well yeah. No one really knows but I have to kinda just accept it's working. It's gotta be if that's what they're leaning into so hard

[vale pine]

think its more the sticky nature of games

like wow was the first rly massive success

and people like to stick to one game

it's a big problem for publishers

[dreamy root]

sunk cost

[vale pine]

e.g. roblox players are mostly roblox players

and its a huge playerbase

[hearty steeple]

imo, housing, pet battles, side quests, .....etc all this side things is what making the game alive for the psycho players of M+, arena, and raids

[vale pine]

wow players the same

most play other games on the side, but many stick in the blizz universe

and many only play wow

[cunning umbra]

burn toast, which is what playing rogue is like 😭

[sullen hare]

Cigarette and alcohol manufacturers figured it out a long time ago in America, almost certainly elsewhere too

[vale pine]

we see it in guild events often

[shadow lance]

@vale pine Is something bricked witth tfd? It adds 4 sec of dance on tooltip, instead of 3

[hearty steeple]

true, i categorize myself as WOW-er, not a gamer, same game since it's release

[vale pine]

nothing i know of

[vale pine]

we often organized events with guild on the side

tried to find games people can play cheap/freely

especially when content drought hits

it was almost impossible to motivate more than a handful of people to participate

[sullen hare]

01 - Metallica - sad but true.mp3

[hearty steeple]

my ex guild we used to play strategy games sometimes, like AOE, Lord of the rings and generals. was kinda cool "{

[waxen viper]

which are you enjoying more at the moment sin or sub more? im heavily debating on which to play

[golden harbor]

We used to play gartic phone every once in a while, its a good time

[vale pine]

we also have people who play certain other games, or tried out small group games

but nothing sticked even if you got 1-2 people to try and they voiced linking it

its just that people who play wow

[shadow lance]

Is the tfd added duration scales on haste?

[vale pine]

want to play wow, nothing else

[vale pine]

yes

[shadow lance]

Okay, that's why ffs

Thanks

[chilly dagger]

With Mastery being "better" again, does Puzzlebox outshine Guidon/Gaze then?
I have a mythic puzzlebox in vault, currently wearing a hero Guidon & hero solarflare

[vale pine]

if you run low on mastery

can

if you have high mastery, run into dr

so it won't

[cunning umbra]

I got 74% currently, puzzlebox is pointless I assume?

[vale pine]

guidon probably better

i did a sim before comparing the two

[chilly dagger]

what would be high mastery?

[vale pine]

and if you change stats, the diffrence is not too big

[vale pine]

like in m+

you typcially invest a lot into mastery

[neon stirrup]

Is waiting to see what drops in mythic raid before chosing vault reward considered a dick move?

[vale pine]

you probably want to play guidon

instead

[vale pine]

not rly

you can bonusroll too

which is valuable

[sullen hare]

I was in a guild that did we were here as a team building exercise and it just kinda happened as you described. Maybe* maybe* half the raid showed up. To play a free game on steam. So yeah. I get it :\

[neon stirrup]

i am seinding mine in nexus point

[vale pine]

your vault likely does not have gigantic upgrades

[chilly dagger]

do I also invest as much in mastery for raid, or is here crit > mastery and also guidon > puzzle?

[vale pine]

so not taking the vault is fine

you not hurting your raids dps

[neon stirrup]

its either boots or waist

[kind edge]

@vale pine we are going back to the old bis list since cloud is over, right?

[vale pine]

you want to balance crit and mastery out more

[neon stirrup]

so i am wanting to wait to see if i get any of them in raid

[vale pine]

kinda yes

very similar

[placid pivot]

fuu when is the updated spreadsheet coming out

[vale pine]

We had people play even payd game like phasmophobia, peak or dead by daylight

[kind edge]

I already started to adjust things, doing hard mastery now. Im around 26% crit atm

[vale pine]

but its down to one individual wanting to play mostly

[chilly dagger]

okay, so I just get my haste break point, e.g. 7xx~ish with guidon and balance crit&mastery for raid, but for m+ i just go deep into mastery?

[hollow quest]

im finally free from box at least for me it simmed a bit higher on hero like 1k dps than box

[vale pine]

these games are all more sticky

neither of them did stick with most

the problem there is too

that there is a certain skill celling involved in most of them

[fossil forge]

League of legends is very sticky

[chilly dagger]

when comparing stuff in sims, should i usually check dungeon slice or patchwerk btw.?

[vale pine]

so you feel incentivised to play more

fore mythic+ dungeon slice

[placid pivot]

!sheet

[vale pine]

for raid patchwerk

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[placid pivot]

will spreadsheet be updated soon

[neon stirrup]

is deathstalker simming higher bait?

[vale pine]

i updated it on monday or so

i only rly need to re-run the sims with the new official changes

and not the overwrites

so numbers will go up marginally

mythic+ sims i need to still do again (dungeon slice)

[placid pivot]

oh nice