subtlety

[vale pine]

mastery all the way

(after 700 haste)

crit is fine

but you would try to get mostly mastery heavy

[gilded ferry]

already am brother, if im going down ill go with style, rank 2 crit flask

[earnest crane]

i recrafted my items 6 times WTF blizz

[vale pine]

F

[somber sun]

but even having full bis wouldnt give you crit numbers like this

but I get the idea

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/a-night-to-remember-movie-a-night-to-remember-anighttoremember-anighttoremembermovie-titanic-sinking-gif-12213862323105496514

[earnest crane]

i just leave it as cirit haste i play all 3 rogues

[lilac stag]

imagine wanting to play assa

[wicked urchin]

couldnt be me

[grand summit]

me with my 700 mast, 1000 crit

im sinking too

[earnest crane]

assa in raid is better i guess

[gilded ferry]

a lot of items are crit/haste

[lilac stag]

have you tried mastery crit items?

mix it up a little?

[gilded ferry]

what can i do, look at the drops i had:

the other neck i have is a pvp one, it does pack a lot of mastery though

[plush pecan]

If only players would want to play with sub that would been fun, getting into keys is horrible

[lilac stag]

There’s this fancy new thing call catalyst

[gilded ferry]

yeah, i have like 6 charges and sim was not recommending to catalyst anything else, maybe after the new update it changes

[lilac stag]

The helm should be, but maybe you’re so scuffed in haste it can’t

What did you craft my friend?

[somber sun]

and of course you get some only when you need it the least

W blizz

[lilac stag]

If you’re really bored, pull the overrides out of Fuu’s sim

[gilded ferry]

wep, belt and boots. but my boots were replaced by the myth ones, sim said to do so

[lilac stag]

try messing with those missives

and cata boots

[gilded ferry]

i can recraft it to mastery i guess

[lilac stag]

remind me, how much haste you have?

[cinder swan]

i did that with my bracers

[digital hornet]

recrafted my shit, got mythic gaze too, + our buff and talent changes, yet im lower than i was last week

fucking hate this game

[gilded ferry]

currently? 729 without the haste boots

[ashen warren]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[lilac stag]

Make dagger crit mastery

[gilded ferry]

its hast mastery rn

[lilac stag]

Make it crit mastery

That’s 40

[gilded ferry]

ok, but, why more crit?

[lilac stag]

It’s better than haste

Haste falls off a cliff after 700

with guidon

you could do vers mastery, but my bet is crit still better

[somber sun]

vers ????

what a chad

[unique lagoon]

hello sub rogues, question for you: there used to be a stack counter on Danse Macabre to indicate how much extra damage you were getting from it, but seems to be gone. I can see the Danse icon whenever I shadowdance but not the stacks anymore, so the question is how does this actually work? is it each unique ability pressed during SD or just pressing as many buttons as possible (i.e. if tech is on cooldown, am I missing damage by just alternating eviscerate/shadowstrike) will still get the same damage

[soft summit]

I have guidon. I have 2 phoenix oils equipped on my daggers. What haste should I have? 700?

[patent ermine]

plz let 699 be okay... lol

[spiral needle]

might as well delete your char

[patent ermine]

rip

[lilac stag]

You ignore it with the exception of maybe adding a strike in AoE situations over a storm.

just play the rotation. Danse is a troll talent

[unique lagoon]

type shit, thanks

[somber sun]

reroll into frost mage

and start blasting

[plush pecan]

when we are speaking 700 is that 700 without oils or with?

[lilac stag]

with

[plush pecan]

cause im like 747 atm without

[lilac stag]

It’s raw stats

[somber sun]

damn

[plush pecan]

779 with oils

so I guess I can drop crafted bracers

do it crit/mastery

[patent ermine]

699 is with oils, probably just need a mythic dagger and it will be fine

[cinder swan]

might as well go for 800 haste

[plush pecan]

Need the raid boots then, crit haste ones

[patent ermine]

I was just at 813 lol, and crafted down to 699

[plush pecan]

or boe

[patent ermine]

for more mastery

[plush pecan]

813 jesus

[wicked wadi]

This is fine if you have guidon. If you don't, you want 800 haste.

[surreal orbit]

can I set up the sim to get me to a specific stat number?

I have Emberwing feather, no guidon yet

[patent ermine]

I only run M+ tho, isnt puzzle gaze better

[silk sparrow]

What Neck are people rocking that do not have myth track "Eternal Voidsong Chain" from Crown?

[wicked wadi]

Depends who you ask, but even if m+ 800 haste is noticably smoother on boss fights imo. If you don't have guidon shoot for 650 with oils then flask haste, just my opinion.

[patent ermine]

yeah il just test it, I was generally 155k overall before. see how it changes

[sick swift]

How are we feeling about the 40% uptime nerf on cloud cover we got?

[wicked wadi]

We aren't taking it anymore so we feel nothing about cloud clover xd

[sick swift]

It's THAT bad now?

[junior ether]

ye we switching back

check pins

[plush pecan]

If I got crit mastery ring

with oils im 619 and guideon

fack

[sick swift]

jeeez dude, why can't they let us be decent for more than a week

[tidal solstice]

well to be fair to blizz, it was 2 weeks

[somber sun]

no

just one week

[sick swift]

demo lock is doing insane, better nerf rogues

[somber sun]

first week we were figuring things around

[thin sinew]

I'm curious how aren't we 'decent' after receiving a 2.5% buff?

[tidal solstice]

you were

[teal plaza]

Cloud cover locked you into one spot and made ground effects hard to see. I'm glad it died

[lilac stag]

We had 13 days

Well outlaw did

[lilac stag]

It did not. You didn’t need to stand in it at all

[sick swift]

^

[somber sun]

yeah sorry

im top 1 parse

[wicked wadi]

I mean we are ending up in a slightly better spot this week than last without taking cloud cover. Sounds like a small W to me.

[somber sun]

I have to meet up the standards

[sick swift]

You're probably right, I'm just tilting because it's hard to find groups that will take rogues when we bring so little to the group table

[surreal orbit]

should I pretend my Emberwing Feather is a guidon and stat according to that?

[lilac stag]

reroll DK

[sick swift]

Nah reroll demo lock since they're dodging meaningful nerfs like NEO

[teal plaza]

If you dont, you have to move back into it right before it expires

[gilded ferry]

whats the command to force raidbots to aim for 700 instead of 650 again?

[wicked wadi]

If you're doing anything higher than 16s sub probably just isn't it, sadly. Sure you can push higher but... You know

[teal plaza]

Which is still annoying

Especially when I can just play frost mage, turn my brain off, and start blasting

[somber sun]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[sick swift]

This is my first time really playing sub, I'm usually an assassination main but until they stop forcing us into our TBC rotation I'm not switching back

[tepid trellis]

you did not

it would just auto extend

[normal wolf]

You could just walk out of it

[tepid trellis]

when it timed out

[lilac stag]

Also wrong

[wicked wadi]

Wasn't that a bug?

[surreal orbit]

Is there somewhere in this disc I can post for help with simming gear?

[tepid trellis]

they changed it to do that mid week

so

who the fuck knows

[shy ferry]

is raidbots up to date with the new update?

[tepid trellis]

if it was intended or not

[wicked wadi]

gotcha

[lilac stag]

Post it with questions

[shy ferry]

i dunno how to tell

[tepid trellis]

number higher than last week

[wicked wadi]

Sure seemed like a bug to me, but it's irrelevant atp

[tepid trellis]

if yes = up to date

[cinder swan]

this with pot?

[native sand]

no pot

[merry bloom]

@vale pine do we go back to hungering victory or is belo dagger still bis?

[plush pecan]

that mastery, damn

[sick swift]

post the full loadout king lmao

[plush pecan]

I got 29/21/68%

[hazy breach]

Literally no difference

[surreal orbit]

is that a channel? I searched and not seeing Questions

[hazy breach]

Just get highest ilvl

[somber sun]

would it be worth using a mythic crafted ring ? Only got the first on hero track from npx and cba grinding/rolling for second one

[cinder swan]

i almost at 80.... even tho i have no gaze... killed it 10 times alrdy

[lilac stag]

Link sim and just ask in the spec channel. Or send it to me and I’ll help. Sitting at doctor office

[random mason]

If u dont have anything better to upgrade or will not get anything better this week you could craft

[wicked wadi]

I crafted a ring bc unlucky and so far been using it 3 weeks, worth

[somber sun]

yeah ig so

gonna roll the rest of pos

for full drops

[random mason]

I crafted amulet and i will most likely not change it for the rest of the season

[sick swift]

Should I use anything in place of hero gaze until I get myth gaze?

[somber sun]

I thought about that

but was like

mhm I can prob try my luck again

[random mason]

What do you have that would be better than hero gaze

[somber sun]

on alleria

[gilded ferry]

Anyway I can see the stats in top gear sims?

[sick swift]

I have myth solarflare and heart of wind

not sure if they're even remotely close though

[wicked wadi]

I mean that's what he's asking, and the answer is nothing

[random mason]

U rolling on hc?

[sick swift]

worddddddd

[tepid trellis]

i need to send some recrafts tmrw

[random mason]

I already recrafted

[tepid trellis]

well ive got 0 hurry im not raiding for the next two weeks

[random mason]

Yeah i didnt wanna deal with it on raid day

[hazy breach]

Turns out their 7% was 1.13 to 1.21 instead of the 1.20 i had used in my overrides.

Another ~+1% ig

[somber sun]

nah full 1-100 roll

[random mason]

Also some guy tried to charge me 2.5k for a wrist recraft

[tepid trellis]

we take those

i tip like 10k to my guilds crafter

[cinder swan]

^

[tepid trellis]

once i did mistype and gave him 100k

[hazy breach]

Theyre a bit 50/50 about those, so i figured id just lowball it with overrides

[wicked wadi]

I tip 10k for recrafts

[tepid trellis]

but we dont talk about that

[random mason]

I just do em for free

[wicked wadi]

Well aren't u a sweetie

[random mason]

Made all my money back on r1 enchants when the season started

[lusty solar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tepid trellis]

can u bless me with wrists in my vault tmrw

so ive got my last myth track item

[somber sun]

do you get knowledge points for that ?

[mossy zodiac]

talents for sub after buff?

[somber sun]

📌

[random mason]

Yeah you get KP for any craft you havent done yet

[somber sun]

yeah see

[zenith egret]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[somber sun]

thats enough for me

[mossy zodiac]

tyss

[somber sun]

no need for tips

[hazy breach]

Also from what i could tell they increased our auto attack damage by like 12% instead of 7%?

Weird

Oh well

[mossy zodiac]

Now we play without smoke?

[wicked urchin]

we don't take those

[hazy breach]

Nah wait i figured it out, its just setup strangely in the spelldata

My overrides were just wrong about those, but it doesnt really matter

[thin sinew]

Eleem ragebaiting

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

This one isnt ragebait though

[golden thunder]

!fuu

[gray patrol]

!bis

[wicked jolt]

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[upbeat sorrel]

tuning changes are not in raidbots right

[thin sinew]

[grand summit]

MR RAIDBOTS MAN

FIX THE SIM

[upbeat sorrel]

[gray patrol]

Good afternoon, do you keep track of any list of items you can upgrade, or do you just go along and replace them if it's deemed an improvement?

[hazy breach]

They are

[hollow raptor]

sim

[grand summit]

website doesnt say so?

[upbeat sorrel]

[rapid sinew]

Sorry, another dumb question. I assume the %20 ish Haste is to extend Shadow Dance to a point of it lasting long enough for 2 techs?

[vale pine]

as eleem mentioned, it does not matter much

[grand summit]

I would love to be wrong

[upbeat sorrel]

can confirm am simming higher than last week

[vale pine]

you essentially go for stats on weapons

anything haste/crit + mastery is good

you don't rly want vers

[teal plaza]

What about krik's?

Crit/haste

[wicked urchin]

thanks eleem

doing gods work

[lilac stag]

@hollow plinth eleem is learning from you.

[merry bloom]

so victory if i need more mastery and higher on crit

i see

[vale pine]

should be fine too

technically, even evrs is fine if its a mythic dagger

but you would prefere not to have vers

[grand summit]

so 100%

sims are working

?

[grand summit]

not what I read the first time LOLW

[hollow plinth]

they are on latest mode

[gleaming plank]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[dire anchor]

So someone explain this to me like the dummy I am, is Sub better than outlaw in Mythic+

[dire ravine]

Is it proper to do 5min encounters, or 6min?

[tepid trellis]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nT5qwZkHdRwigo3rXUJaZY
crit mastery it is

[desert ferry]

just pick which one you're better at. they're even

both will be ahead of ass right now though

[vale pine]

should work on weekly/nightly too now

[random mason]

U still got enough haste with them on crit/mastery?

[tepid trellis]

yes

right now they are crit/vers

[vale pine]

👍

[hollow plinth]

stop pinging me!!!!?!@@@!

[upbeat sorrel]

are the talents for ST and M+/aoe the same

am i reading the pin wrong

[random mason]

[limber folio]

ok so

[tepid trellis]

@hollow plinth

[limber folio]

when ive gotten gaze mythic from reroll

what am i even rerolling

[hollow plinth]

[limber folio]

neck from alleria?

[desert ferry]

swap weaponmaster for potent powder for AOE

[blazing yew]

probably the next highest contested item

[limber folio]

which is what

the ring from pala?

[blazing yew]

that neck

[limber folio]

i guess

weve had 3 people in the guild gotten it in vault

Sadge

[blazing yew]

its ultra rare, so hard to be a drop

[steel zinc]

This still true?

So 3.5% buff?

[wicked urchin]

i'd like to reroll for alleria neck but we aren't reclearing

[tepid trellis]

its crosed out

[hazy breach]

No #subtlety message

[steel zinc]

MB but it's 3.5%? Not 2.5%?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[steel zinc]

Nice how come?

[hazy breach]

When they say "7%" aura buff, they sometimes up the aura by +7, and sometimes they do x1.07

In this case ours went from 1.13 to 1.21, instead of 1.20 i had in my overrides

[wicked urchin]

ill miss cloud cover but 3.5% is 3.5%

[hazy breach]

You can still play cloud cover if you want fwiw

[vale pine]

its not terrible

just not the best option anymore

[steel zinc]

How much loss?

[vale pine]

^

[steel zinc]

Ohhhh nice so worth it

[swift tinsel]

pre-hotfixed it buffed blades burst by 20-25%, has it been mathed out what it is without the triple surprising strikes and reduced duration?

[solar mural]

guys why do my ShadowB come off cd 10-15s faster than trinket?

[tepid trellis]

weekly affix

[solar mural]

ahhhh ofc

sorry dumb question

[tepid trellis]

we aint got those spells

here

[surreal orbit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/iovedice-spongebob--k01KQWKZKX6F89J9SC7J0VRMQ1G

[kind fern]

hero alleria neck in vault and running premed again, guess im coming back to sub now yay

[hazy breach]

Idk dont have the pre .5 values

[shell hollow]

FOK without blindside iirc

[hazy breach]

But its definitely lower without the triple surprising

[dire ravine]

Im a solid 3k behind this- i dont understand.

[swift tinsel]

ye I figured, was just curious how much lower with the changes

[wicked urchin]

post sim?

[lilac stag]

Mythic HOF vs not

[surreal orbit]

Are we looking for 700 haste on trickster including all buffs/pots etc?

[tepid trellis]

yes

with guidon

[gilded ferry]

does anyone have the custom stuff at hand to sim which consumables are best

[surreal orbit]

what about temu guidon

[tepid trellis]

800

[hazy breach]

No need, just change them in topgear

[surreal orbit]

Can I adjust the sim to get me to 800 haste?

[final gulch]

what are u guys simming for

i saw someone simming for 116k, how tf am i simming for 107k 😭

[tepid trellis]

116,6k

[hazy breach]

It should go there by itself generally, what are you wearing

[final gulch]

is there new tech

[surreal orbit]

😳 shorts and a tshirt

[hazy breach]

As in what trinket

[surreal orbit]

M Gaze and hero feather

[hazy breach]

You can make it 121k

[gilded ferry]

so, using it like this will default me to my best flask?

[hazy breach]

Scroll up

[twin surge]

no use this

[shell hollow]

Above that you can sim different flasks

[hazy breach]

Probably just toss the feather

[gilded ferry]

😭

[final gulch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8WBjVordJ1LFjNgE9xSDJb

[surreal orbit]

im also combo cucked trying to do big sims

[wicked urchin]

close

[viral salmon]

sorry if this was asked already, but are the class tuning changes already reflected in raidbots? (cloud cover still sims higher rn)

[final gulch]

can some1 tell me how im simming so low

[wicked urchin]

jk im not panda im broke

[hazy breach]

Are yall simming every socket or some shit

[twin surge]

you went and selected all didnt you 😛

[fast dome]

is raidbots updated yet? its showing me the old talents still higher than the new ones in pins

[hazy breach]

Just dont do that and youre fine

[swift tinsel]

no shot blizz forgot to add warrior buffs to today's patch

[gilded ferry]

nah, why would i need to sim vers flask though, thats ass

[thin sinew]

punishment for going warrior

[sweet moss]

do we shuriken storm on 2 target

[gilded ferry]

outside of dance yes

[sweet moss]

yeah kk

[oak sorrel]

do the void rings' proc damage scale with ilvl?

[sweet moss]

ty

[gilded ferry]

Outside :ShadowDance: Shadow Dance to build combo points: Cast :Backstab: Backstab with 1 target, otherwise :ShurikenStorm: Shuriken Storm.

[sand torrent]

The constant single digit yo-yo buff/nerf cycle every week is fuckin insane

[wicked urchin]

i mean it's basically only been buffs so

[gilded ferry]

is there a way to see what the stats end up being in sims?

[wicked urchin]

not really complaining

oh

yellow

sorry bud

[viral salmon]

anyone know?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[tepid trellis]

im in crest debt sorry

[wicked urchin]

are you still stacking crit?

[gilded ferry]

Warrior Hotfixes Missing
None of this week's Warrior hotfixes went live, dunno why
Please stand by for future @Warrior Updates

its true

[viral salmon]

nope

[dire ravine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1hdfTHdYE1gY1sxJ9ErN7k

[swift tinsel]

blizz truly do not give one single shit about quality

just send anything

ship it

[twilit gorge]

crit flask?

idk if that'd make the difference

[spiral needle]

gotta make $75 cosmetisc so they can hire more QA send money to MS to make more buggy AI slop

[gilded ferry]

Warrior Hotfixes Found
They were just shy. @Warrior Updates

[dire ravine]

i simmed with both, and its a loss for mast flask

[gilded ferry]

apparently all class discords are spreading fake news today

like solo did earlier

just a little joke to light up the patch day

[swift tinsel]

I don't know what to believe anymore

[gilded ferry]

never believe the system

its what they want !!

[swift tinsel]

I believe in nothing when it comes to this game lol

[plush roost]

My warrior friend is saying his tclap is doing less damage

[tepid trellis]

i have all the high value pieces at full myth track + ring combo

[plush roost]

So maybe the borked something anyway xD

[swift tinsel]

lmao I could see it

legit have no idea whats going on with this game

[tepid trellis]

they cut 0 corners with quality this expansion

[twin surge]

am pretty sure its just some junior dev/intern using claude at this point.. I notice same behavior at my workplace also and i have to go chasing those devs

[tepid trellis]

trust

[swift tinsel]

idk Mike Ybarra seems to think the quality of the game has slipped

surely he had no influence on that

firing all QA was just a smokescreen

[tepid trellis]

well it did when he was a part of it too

[swift tinsel]

his tweet and subsequent haranguing was quite fun to read

[dire ravine]

Fair - I may need to give up on Voidsong chain- super contested in my group as is.

[steel wyvern]

@tepid trellis how much does ring set do for u

is it worth for me to go for it from xenas

[gilded ferry]

Did you guys know that if you filter M+ and log in another alt, the same filters apply to it and you cant deactivate?

Thats neat

[tepid trellis]

no fcking clue, sims better so i went and got it

[swift tinsel]

ye he was at fault lol

[steel wyvern]

W

[swift tinsel]

which is why he got absolutely bbq'd

[muted girder]

lol well apparently the whole community thinks rogue is even more ass from reset. 3300 on rogue and insta decline from about 40-50 10-12s this morning. Crazy

[tiny sable]

holy i am just walking over my hands in keys with sub some times

[trail rover]

is PuzzleBox back? (coping cause still no guidon) it sims so close on ST

[tepid trellis]

it is indeed still worse than guidon

nothing changed

[vale pine]

it is not that far behind if you go with a bit more haste

[spice matrix]

how much haste you running?

[vale pine]

tho guidon is easy to get, so best is to try to get it

[placid pivot]

it says stacjs 2 times is we back

[steel wyvern]

it got nerfed

lmao

[vale pine]

it was

[hushed roost]

actually feels good in m+

[tiny sable]

how bad is trying to pug first 2 mythic

i want to bonus roll guidon but i dont want to waste on heroic

[gilded ferry]

its fine

especially aversian

[hushed roost]

aversian + chim as your 2 is really easy

[limber folio]

lads

do we reroll on paladins

for ring

[hushed roost]

hard toget a group that stays together for voracius though

[tepid trellis]

700

[shell vector]

Massive trinket luck since I bonus rolled gaze last week

[tepid trellis]

it still goes to 3 stacks for sub, just not outlaw

[viral salmon]

same, I'm still getting cloud cover being better in dslice

[vale osprey]

Outlaw != Sub

[outer flare]

my stats so fucked 800 crit 630 haste and 340 mastery

[placid pivot]

any sim monkeycan shed light to what produce more number

need this pronto

chat is outlaw better

[vale osprey]

You either have way too much Vers or you're super low ilvl

[outer flare]

im 316 vers

281 ilvl

[tepid trellis]

outlaw is never better

[outer flare]

well 280.69 haha

[vale osprey]

Yeah lose the Vers

[placid pivot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[placid pivot]

is this updated

[fair stump]

Is veiltouched better than TFD?

[hazy breach]

Either is fine

If you get lots of tfd procs it is better, if you dont the veiltouched is better

[lusty relic]

Is there any solution to the 'large margin of error' dot on your sims? my sim is saying withered saptor's paw is better than emberwing feather, but emberwing has the large margin dot on it.

*saying heroic saptors paw is better than mythic emberwing

[empty bobcat]

jesus my 275 sub is outsimming my 280 havoc in single target now :3

[hazy breach]

Checks out, especially if you need the haste

Feather sucks

[lusty relic]

i have about 825 haste

[raw ridge]

are the changes implemented now or it happens tomorrow?

[tepid trellis]

ingame its live on NA and tmrw for EU

its up on Sims already

[raw ridge]

ty ❤️

[lyric patrol]

bruh cloud cover still sims higher for M+? Cringy

[empty bobcat]

orly?

[limber folio]

on my alt..

[vale pine]

cloud cover seems to be decent for aoe/cleave

[fast dome]

you mean "on your new main"

[limber folio]

no cause its 2 ilvls under

and got some fjinsejnfesnjif

[fervent socket]

So question about the cast animation of Coup de Grace, can you cast while its going through the animation or does that interupt its damage?

[hazy breach]

You can cast offgcd buttons yes

Its gcd is as long as its animation (1.2 seconds)

[quaint lodge]

back to seeing this perma

[limber folio]

have you tried repairing?

[thin sinew]

So i'm assuming they implemented cloud cover changes as you expected Eleem?

[vale pine]

more attack speed = weapons lose durability faster

its annoying

[thin sinew]

fruit ninja attackers

[lilac sparrow]

Is this 8s timer still accurate? I have Guidon, but like, if I use Sdance with 8 seconds left, SecTech isn't ready for the 2nd empowered? Just game it closer to the SecTech CD instead of using the 8second timeframe, or is it more important to have dance for 8 seconds of Sblade > SecTech empowered?

[fervent socket]

thanks much appreciated

[hazy breach]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[tight fjord]

phew, we blastin this week boys, have fun

already getting io

and spam invites

[tiny flare]

Hi my fellow rogues, is me again. I want to check my rotation. Is there any site or addon that help me checks my rotation and see what mistakes im making?

[agile spoke]

Warcraftlogs?

[tiny flare]

No idea, thats why im asking hahaha im tad new to all sims sites but someone recommended me to learn about it in a pug

[quaint lodge]

wowanalyzer can give u a fairly ok iddea

its not perfect, but u can drop ur log into that

[serene tapir]

Shadowed Finishers sims lower then The First Dance even tho wowhead says it better to pick up Shadowed Finishers :S

[limber folio]

lost gaze this week too, cause they ruined hunters

https://tenor.com/view/pixel-text-dialogue-dialog-hang-in-there-gif-11551996494485954830

[hazy breach]

I assume you mean veiltouched and not shadowed finishers

[obsidian crag]

i have 699 without oils, are there any oil better than the crit/haste oil that i can use since i dont need the haste part of it?

[hazy breach]

But you can pick either if you want, just depends on how many uses youll get out of first dance

[swift tinsel]

oh fuck I just realized we're progging myth chim with 1 dk this week bc rotating bench

[serene tapir]

ups i meant Finality instead of SF

[limber folio]

progging

hmmge

[hazy breach]

Same principle

[limber folio]

raidbots are updated

?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[serene tapir]

erm. Veil is already there. its just like 2k diff between finality and first dance

[granite lark]

there's also this TT

I think that's what he was referring to perhaps

[hazy breach]

Yeah ignore that

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[granite lark]

Yeah I was just pointing out that I think that's where most of these come from

[lilac stag]

i'd love to spend my reroll tokens

[granite lark]

I spent an hour trying to find a fast aa for my box rr for ass lol

[shrewd lantern]

"relaxed" is usually code for

dont flame the lead when hes bad

[granite lark]

carrying a friend

[shrewd lantern]

[warm marlin]

nah relaxed groups are goated

if i see competitive +10 or +12 i am gonna think ur doing this for io

[lilac stag]

any group willing to take a rogue is goated

[shrewd lantern]

oh god competitive

[warm marlin]

gigamonka

[shrewd lantern]

on 12

seek help

[dull fractal]

so tricksters sub is still stackin 3 fazes? and law 2?

[gilded ferry]

me trying to snipe ring in nexus

[shrewd lantern]

i got both rings and now idk what to get

took socket this reset

[hazy breach]

Y'all missing out on the "Kompetitiv" keys

[shrewd lantern]

Well we have azralon players

which are probably worse

[warm marlin]

nah the racism is crazy this patch

[vale pine]

getting into keys as no meta class ^^

[warm marlin]

poor "competitivo" groups

[shrewd lantern]

btw can you roll tert on bonus roll gear

[tame isle]

we still use cloud smoke?

[shrewd lantern]

or is it flat

[plush roost]

Wait its racism? I just thought it was french or somethibg

Clueless

[shrewd lantern]

blacklisting all zuljin players fr

[twilit orbit]

so is it a buff

are we feeling big

or are*

or a nerf

[shrewd lantern]

bruh

read the pin

[hazy breach]

He meant people not joining the groups if they have a non-english name ig.
Im just vibing with the germans and their funny expressions like twinks

[shrewd lantern]

"nhc"

[warm marlin]

oh ye the names are great and funny

[shrewd lantern]

yes i like to make names longer for no reason

[warm marlin]

but people do genuinely not join if the title is non english

which isn't really any different from before

[shrewd lantern]

the chinese groups are decent

imo

[plush roost]

Im gonna start listing my keys in japanese

[shrewd lantern]

ragnaros are kind of bad and big ragers

[plush roost]

So i can cope people dont want me for racsim and not my class

[warm marlin]

you're already red

[shrewd lantern]

[warm marlin]

you're 1 step closer to the right decision

[plush roost]

I will not roll dk

[shrewd lantern]

i should level my dk and see how it feels

to never do mechanics

as melee

[swift tinsel]

Rag and Az can be funny

[warm marlin]

it's so fun icl

[plush roost]

If i have to ill play my dh

[hazy breach]

But you said sub was gonna be giga after buff so why wouldnt people want to play with you?

[warm marlin]

its crazy how many times ive just happened to immune something and just been in awe ams worked like that

its also complete bs but

[plush roost]

Sub will be good maybe idk i have to try it hehe

[hazy breach]

On shit cloak does not work too

[swift tinsel]

it feels nice to be on the fun side of the bs

sometimes

[warm marlin]

ye

[swift tinsel]

see how the other half lives

[shrewd lantern]

i love how

salhadaar beam

goes through cloak

[warm marlin]

i always go back to windrunner last boss

[shrewd lantern]

despite being shadow damage

[warm marlin]

you just ams and walk through the ring

[shrewd lantern]

great game blizz

[warm marlin]

it not only immunes the damage and stun

but it still clears ur debuff

[swift tinsel]

lmfao ofc you can ams the ring

[ripe flame]

there's a lot of, to put in kind words, not the greatest minds here

[swift tinsel]

that button is so fucking broken

and rider DA

[warm marlin]

why would it ever clear the debuff

who knows

[swift tinsel]

2x 45 sec 100% move speed that can't be slowed

[empty bobcat]

cloud cover does not sim higher for me in m+

[hazy breach]

Cloak works for that too tbf.

But yeah when i stand in a purple circle with cloak up and die to shadow damage, thats my favourite

[warm marlin]

[fair stump]

Can I get crown's neck from bonus rolls?

[runic sinew]

No scruples + Finality 2x instead Finality + Danse Macabre sounds good?

[warm marlin]

sometimes i walk out of the fear circles on the spinny windrunner boss to get feared so i can aura farm with lichborne

good times

[hazy breach]

If you want to. Either is fine

[fair stump]

A guildie told me that very rare loot from raid bosses cannot drop from bonus rolls

[swift tinsel]

what

[merry bloom]

this is true

[swift tinsel]

no loot is blacklisted from bonus rolls from a boss, besides loot you already got from rolls

[merry bloom]

very rare is

normal loot isnt

[fair stump]

I'm gonna kms lol

I have spent 6 cores on crown

[hazy breach]

Based on what

[fair stump]

Hoping for the neck

[swift tinsel]

yeah I've seen exactly zero mention of that anywhere

in fact

[warm marlin]

he's got the proof

[swift tinsel]

the screenshot from the reveal shows the very rare neck as available

so

whats up with that

[merry bloom]

then maybe its the last possible item to get , classic timegate

[swift tinsel]

or your luck sucks

[warm marlin]

what even happens if you try to bonus roll with no items left in the pool

[shy ermine]

i got my very rare neck from a bonus roll on alleria this week

[warm marlin]

game explode?

[swift tinsel]

confetti

Grunt Birthday Party effect

[warm marlin]

i cant believe i was almost baited for the 3rd time today

[hazy breach]

Presumably the list is just refilled

With the same items again

[warm marlin]

that would've been crazy

[warm marlin]

ok but that would suck omega to get a duplicate again no?

what if i have loot roll dementia

[hazy breach]

I mean yeah but youve already rolled all the items

[swift tinsel]

or they're guaranteed to roll with tertiary/socket

[hazy breach]

If you wanted another dagger or whatever

[shrewd lantern]

its always funny to see someone pepega just big time raging

[ripe flame]

[warm marlin]

I did think about what would happen if I cataed my pit wrists from roll

if i could ever get them again

[merry bloom]

so no mythic gaze in vault for 5th time in a row

[shrewd lantern]

i had pit legs in my vault

[swift tinsel]

I would assume it just checks if the system gives it to you vs if you have it in bags/equipped/vendored

[merry bloom]

bonus roll 3 will obviously give it to me

[swift tinsel]

otherwise I'd whittle down pit and then roll til I get an indestructible dagger

[warm marlin]

surely then it would work from items you already got

[shrewd lantern]

thank god i got mine weeks ago

[ripe flame]

money saving strat leaked

[swift tinsel]

save all items in bags, then vendor dagger

[shrewd lantern]

i got indest on my windrunner leg

[swift tinsel]

or de

[shrewd lantern]

idk what to roll since my only item that isnt myth are my shoes

[swift tinsel]

I only used 1 roll last week I think

[merry bloom]

u bonus toll imperator

[thin sinew]

Hmm so i've apparently gained 5k dps?

[swift tinsel]

maybe 2

idr

[merry bloom]

and cata boots

[shrewd lantern]

[merry bloom]

crit / mast are good

[shrewd lantern]

3/4 chance of brick

[swift tinsel]

did 4 m+ on rogue and called it a week

had another slot from raid

bonus roll token secured

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i took a socket since i havent taken one yet

[swift tinsel]

m+ vault slots a meme anyways since you can get them from rolling, depending on what you're hunting

really wish they'd address that

[shrewd lantern]

lmao real

[merry bloom]

i did 2 myth raid slots / hero slot . 3 mythic 16 slots (cause yeah) and then the best item was a tier helm ....

[swift tinsel]

bc you can troll so hard

[solemn isle]

taking a myth item from a vault slot should remove it from the bonus roll pool, that would solve it immediately

[swift tinsel]

yep

[merry bloom]

yes

[serene notch]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[shrewd lantern]

i mean this tier in general taking a non raid slot is kind of bad

since its lower ilvl

crests fr the main gate rn

[swift tinsel]

should have removed cap with voidcores

[warm marlin]

man i sure am glad i took a total of 2 pieces all tier from raid vault above 276 🙂

[shrewd lantern]

idk about removal

[swift tinsel]

or next week

[merry bloom]

hero raid rolls should only take 1 roll each (change my mind)

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i wont hit 285 until week after

i think i cap at 284 after this weeks gilded cap

[swift tinsel]

the myth track gear acquisition with voidcores is pretty big, and like you said you're stuck getting them at 272

so you're gonna go into crest debt lightning-fast

[shrewd lantern]

not even worth coining raid for me

except cosmos

or lura

[merry bloom]

what would u want off lura?

[swift tinsel]

so not increasing cap by higher than usual, or uncapping, should have accompanied it imo

[shrewd lantern]

neck is good

[warm marlin]

lura ring and neck

[thin sinew]

Can't complain about that from a reset

[merry bloom]

isnt hero cosmos just better

?

[shrewd lantern]

i meant on myth since i have a myth sal neck

as is

[warm marlin]

im still convinced the alleria neck oversims

[swift tinsel]

the dmg part?

[warm marlin]

im pretty sure double 2x socket is better

yes

[ripe flame]

[merry bloom]

i mean isnt hero alleria neck better than both mythic lura and sal neck?

since no main stat

[shrewd lantern]

oh when i did my sim buff wasnt added

[ashen warren]

Well it gives a lot of haste so it depends on your other gears like rings etc

[swift tinsel]

iirc simc says it doesn't exactly know how to handle it

[shrewd lantern]

i was at like 109k pre iirc

[swift tinsel]

so I could see it being off

[warm marlin]

like in pure st in logs it looks like 0.3-0.4%

[swift tinsel]

and it usually competes with instant poison

in logs

[warm marlin]

and then a socket is also 0.3-0.4%

but scales in aoe

[swift tinsel]

yeah sockets are huge rn

so honestly, extra socket probs just better

[warm marlin]

and playing alleria neck kinda prevents lura ring

so you're missing 2 sockets

just play both lura pieces is op

[swift tinsel]

how so?

[warm marlin]

soooooo much haste

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah

forgot the stats on lura ring

[warm marlin]

I will be bonus rolling lura assuming I stay on sub

once we kill

[swift tinsel]

I think we're never seeing that boss again since we killed on hc

lol

just void mythic now

and chim

[shrewd lantern]

i mean im using npx rings

so meh

[sullen sparrow]

If I want to run ephemeral Bond for high keys would that push cloud cover ahead of no scruples?

[merry bloom]

my team will kill thru belo and get hard stuck on lura

[warm marlin]

no

the storm talent is kind of bad

[merry bloom]

btw beloran buff to 40s on egg is a joke in pugs now

lol

[warm marlin]

u can just drop that

[shrewd lantern]

[warm marlin]

storm's crit rate is already quite high

[shrewd lantern]

idk how its gonna change egg burn

on mythic

[warm marlin]

naturally

[warm marlin]

i dont think it changes the fight at all for now besides removing all comp requirements

you play as many immunes as you can roster

[shrewd lantern]

i guess we dont instantly send the third dance?

to supercharge the st?

[winged harbor]

how fucked am i if i used all my rolls for kricks dagger instead of the skyreach dagger

[merry bloom]

they are both pretty goos

[shrewd lantern]

man's stressing 40 ish crit or mastery

it dont matter

[wicked wadi]

Ur cooked man. Best to delete character and start over

[merry bloom]

beetle is better for sin thats about it

[shrewd lantern]

vora dagger enjoyers

i mean beetle is better for outlaw unless you run crafted with hunt is better

i never checked if they prefer hunt or double arcano

[winged harbor]

so i wasted all of my pitty building on the wrong dagger

sick

[solemn isle]

brother it doesn't matter

[shrewd lantern]

crit and mast are both good

[merry bloom]

is my luck just shit , my team has killed mythic vora 4 times now and no dagger drop

[shrewd lantern]

Most people are playing vora dagger anyway since it was the first mythic dagger obtainable easily

and spending 20 gilded for a different secondary is grief

[hallow mortar]

how you guys doing egg

do you pop guidon before gate

[shrewd lantern]

box like a real chud

[merry bloom]

i pop right as i land then blades/dance/sectec

[shrewd lantern]

jk

[hallow mortar]

actually never mind

[tidal solstice]

i got this

[vale osprey]

Scrambled mostly

[hallow mortar]

wont matter next week

[vale osprey]

I mean you're still using guidon and want to do it before you gate

[shrewd lantern]

do you not just step the egg

i feel thats faster

[warm marlin]

it is faster

[sullen sparrow]

It's fine to step the egg

Required even if you're assigned to cloak + gate to clear orbs.

[hallow mortar]

do you have range from gate spot

[sullen sparrow]

No stand closer.

[vale osprey]

Cloak gate? I'm assigned to cloak + feet to the mutherfuckin floor

[sullen sparrow]

You can clear more orbs with gate. You place the gate in line with the place where the orbs will intersect.

[latent remnant]

I was assigned to just cloak + sprint orbs that bounced back after the rebirth

[wicked urchin]

4 rolls neither NP ring

unlucky

[solemn isle]

think of it this way

gauranteed double ring coming up

big pog

[wicked urchin]

well

there's still a dagger

so

[hexed wave]

bout to use my rolls on the last to pieces of pit bound to get dagger, how we doing? whats the talent set up boys

[rough granite]

Does Guidon still need to be used 1 second before burst, or was that fixed to update on use properly?

[vale osprey]

We're already using our gates

[hazy breach]

Not fixed

[vale osprey]

I clear an average of like 8 anyway and those orbs haven't been a problem

[sullen sparrow]

https://youtu.be/R2d2MeEm_Z8?t=73

You can get like 20 with gate

[swift tinsel]

I hear their rogue gets us nerfed a lot

[shrewd lantern]

i mean turtle is 8 seconds

definitely do use hunters for the straight line groups

[vale osprey]

That's not the set he mentioned tho

Yeah their rogue after inter for the scatter orbs is just running with cloak

[shrewd lantern]

you wont get as many as a pally

just because bubble is 8 seconds

and cloak is 5

but yeah

[fervent wolf]

stat and bis changed again

[shrewd lantern]

if you were following a bis list

😂

lmao even

[swift tinsel]

It is kinda interesting that you can gear somewhat fluidly as long as you hit breakpoint

[shrewd lantern]

i mean

always has been that way

[marble sail]

!ss

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ornate ruin]

You can get like 25 with grapple 🙂

[timid rose]

i'm just happy i'll have a myth mainhand after today... the question is do i get a duplicate cloak from skyreach first or not ><

[swift tinsel]

I might just sit on my rolls for a while

idk

[timid rose]

well, if i don't get dagger first SR, then i'll take pants from vault, if i get dagger, then i need to figure out where I roll next before i take pants or gloves

[swift tinsel]

think I just need neck ring cloak and gaze, idk if I care enough to go from hero->myth guidon

haven't decided which ring I wanna go for

maybe omission, maybe psb

or bifuraction band since I have that on hc

[timid rose]

i have void, just gunna fish for light i think

[swift tinsel]

had everything all sorted when I wanted to crit stack but now I gotta go back to the journal lol

[hazy breach]

Its just nexus point rings

Always has been

[swift tinsel]

will probs roll skyreach for cloak and haste/mastery dagger plus boots

[shrewd lantern]

got both of mine last reset

[swift tinsel]

feel like I threw rolls away trying to get pit ring

[timid rose]

i've sent 4 rolls into skyreach already, just cloak and dagger left... really hoping cloak doesn't show up on my roll 🙁

[shrewd lantern]

cloak isnt terrible for me but i would need to shift haste

[timid rose]

yeah i took the cloak from my vault the week before rolls came along since itw as the best option

[shrewd lantern]

i got donkey ass tier cloak and belt rn

belt only because socket outsims

[swift tinsel]

got crafted belt atm, will probs chill with that unless some stuff shifts

[gilded ferry]

is it this week the 298 items?

[shrewd lantern]

i cant wear my nk belt

[swift tinsel]

next week

[ripe flame]

Next week

[shrewd lantern]

no socket

[swift tinsel]

that's my pit bracers atm, hero vora bracers with socket are better til I can socket pit ones

[shrewd lantern]

had another belt in my vault and it was the worst one

the haste vers ones

[prisma ibex]

so the fixed MSG stays true?

[shrewd lantern]

i mean we're back to before the patch

[prisma ibex]

cloud shit cover now?

[swift tinsel]

if I get chim belt I can drop a bunch of haste from other stuff

[shrewd lantern]

with bigger number

115k sim not bad

[swift tinsel]

can't check vault for another hour so we'll see

[vale pine]

1 week to go

[shrewd lantern]

blizz making a new talent

only to yeet it

in less than a month

[swift tinsel]

[vocal hare]

so are we getting buffed or nerfed?

[swift tinsel]

first pin

[shrewd lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[vocal hare]

ups

didnt saw mb

tyty

[swift tinsel]

all good soldier carry on

🫡

[vocal hare]

https://giphy.com/gifs/paramountnetwork-paramount-network-68whiskey-d89Q8oADMlvAB2iWv4

[gilded ferry]

oh damn, i was sure i read 2.5% buff

did recalcs occur?

[swift tinsel]

blizz did funny math with our aura buff

[gilded ferry]

[empty bobcat]

oh its 3.5% ?

[vocal hare]

omg we need to swap to mastery again

so sad

[vale pine]

ye, its slightly higher than expected

just depends on how you referenced it

[hexed wave]

back to mastery lol

[cunning goblet]

im in a +17 now and idk what to do in 2 targets

do i just st

[vale pine]

it actually is how they usually do it

so it was just a wrong estimate

happens

[swift tinsel]

+7% or *1.07

[gilded ferry]

DS ahead of trickster if you have the haste for it, but, aside from vorasius, what are the other pure ST bosses?

[swift tinsel]

quick maffs

[tepid quartz]

can you feint the obelisk damage? if youre the obelisk target

[empty bobcat]

with this ticked it swaps all my gems to whats ticked for the sim?

[paper stirrup]

bis list ready for tomorrow?

[lusty solar]

need to tick this

[empty bobcat]

ah! thx

[hexed wave]

wowhead sub was updated ty

[runic sinew]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rare laurel]

700 haste = 20% ??

[vale pine]

700 should be 19% iirc

but ye, around that

[rare laurel]

so im good?

[vale pine]

yes

thats perfect

[vocal hare]

basically we need to go back to 1k mastery right?

[rare laurel]

20% mastery? xD

[vale pine]

his gear seems targeted at cloud cover

[vocal hare]

yep it is

[vale pine]

new patch likely shifts more mastery heavy build above that

[hushed lion]

cloud cover still the play in M+?...seeing alot of the top sub enjoyers still using it

[hexed wave]

murlok top players will shift to adjust to new patch by tomorrow

[grim wasp]

This is today?

[sweet verge]

give it to me straight fellas, should i play outlaw or sub in m+?

[vocal hare]

for high keys outlaw its better imo

[fallow glade]

totally non biased outlaw lover opinion: outlaw

[swift tinsel]

this is every day

[dapper sigil]

hey guys, are raidbots sims updated?

[dusky yacht]

Thank god

[fallow glade]

my sub gear will not recover from this

[vale pine]

yes

[gilded ferry]

im the same, but flask helps out a little

and i honestly do not know how much of a dps difference would be if I inverted my stats

[fallow glade]

oh that was also still in outlul spec so the 18% is fake number

idk ill just sim, probably mastery flask if i still have to play sub in raid for some reason

[gilded ferry]

i currently have 965 crit vs 464 mastery, without any flasks etc.

would it be that much of a difference if it was 464 crit vs 965 mastery? idk

[trail epoch]

Same, sitting at 41% crit, but I have plume. One click and I have more mastery

[vocal hare]

im like this with mastery flask, should be fine idk

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal dk takes mythic gaze and this guy gets the literal only piece out of raid I wanted other than alleria neck + crest save

[median saffron]

I dont have guidon trinket.... is puzzle box a trap? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3jXybUFxcvrYaA1kFN3cFr

[warm marlin]

good week

[thin sinew]

simming 8 bosses is a choice

[tepid trellis]

oh no

[shell hollow]

1 minute haha

[tepid trellis]

not the 8 targets 1min sims

[hallow torrent]

hi, is 7% buf to al sub specs? or only tricket spec cause of smoke nerf?

[thin sinew]

Could be worse

[median saffron]

okay so how long you siming for in my+ lmao .... this is how you do for assass

[tepid trellis]

@teal coral

[thin sinew]

this will be good

[fallow glade]

dungeon slice is good for rogue m+ sims

[median saffron]

oh so Zero 4k io is braindead lol ill let him know

[fierce wigeon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[teal coral]

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[thin sinew]

4k io apparently means you understand sims

[fallow glade]

TC repellent successful

[median saffron]

weird to think they wouldnt lmao but okay bro

[tepid trellis]

cuz most of them actually dont

[teal coral]

Werety just said dungeonslice is good and you immediately went defensive

[median saffron]

wasnt talking to him..

[teal coral]

But yeah, io score is not a measure of understanding the tools being used

[median saffron]

huh

[tepid trellis]

who the hell you responding to then?

[teal coral]

Like zero is a good player, clearly he can do dungeons, but I wouldn’t take dagger crafting advice from him

[rustic raven]

All RH contributors should have to include their IO in their server names so i know if their opinions are worth listening to

[median saffron]

...

thats who

[rustic raven]

I need 4k+ ppl to tell me what to think

[mortal arch]

is he even out there telling people 8 target 1 minute bloodlust sims are the correct way to evaluate gear? I kind of doubt that's the actual message being sent

[vale pine]

There is a (old) meme around people using low duration high target simulations involving my reaction

it exists for a reason

its even worse than that viper

people often are also full raid buffed

XD

[fallow glade]

anyway for the first question, i wouldn't call puzzle box a trap, it can just be annoying to use with the cast time

[shell hollow]

Is someone 4k here? I wanna know what to have for supper

[thin sinew]

Don't go calling me out like this Fuu

[median saffron]

@fallow glade ty ty

[vale pine]

i mean it was explained a lot

but to re-iterate the problem

you have a low duration sim, so there is a high volitality in output from rng

[odd sandal]

There is no world where we would take Guidon and Emberwing, correct?

[vale pine]

the sim has a 20% duration variance, which means its not static 1 minute

and you have bloodlust for most of the sim duration

[tepid trellis]

no

[hazy breach]

No, guidon is just a strictly better emberwing for us

[teal coral]

I simmed 20 target 35 second for my algethar first pull and it said you should eat dog biscuits and spinach ravioli

[hazy breach]

As we get to use it twice as often, and it doesnt reduce your stats

[vale pine]

apl's are never optimized for low duration simulations too, as these become per global written instead of general purpose

besides all of that

[thin sinew]

How do craft Spinach Ravioli need guide

[pulsar hemlock]

Why are all the trinkets in this first season so stinky

[thin sinew]

You need to wash your ears

[vale pine]

given the low duration, you will find high cd trinkets typically sim very high or have other severe side effects due to the low duration

all together means, its not good to use

[teal coral]

Follow whatever recipe has intellect