subtlety

[lilac stag]

I’m almost ready for 1100 haste

[dusky yacht]

It's only because they have no idea what is even going on with our class

I don't even really understand the nerf to smoke bomb, the aura buff I get, but why the nerf, what was going wrong in their minds

[lilac stag]

Outlaw turned into Icarus and flew too close to the sun.

[dusky yacht]

Somebody stop these madmen

These outlaws are out of control

Call the sheriff

[lilac stag]

12.0.5 is year of the daggers.

just on Hunter instead of rogue.

no clue how they didn’t get adjusted

[neon frigate]

do you guys think that with the next 7% buff sub rogues get more stronger? they nerf the cloud skill to 6 secs

!pins

how do you check pins haha

[rough granite]

top right corner, looks like a thumb tack

[dusky yacht]

You mean like a pin

[neon frigate]

thank you so much I see it now

[lilac stag]

on mobile, click the header that says #subtlety >

[dusky yacht]

#subtlety 100% >

[rough granite]

Has raidbots been updated, or due to some things being a bit hazy will it be updated on tuesday when full patch drops?

[lilac stag]

raidbots usually gets update with spell data hitting live.

pretty sure everything spell overrides

Which I don’t think are posted anywhere

[neon frigate]

but its kinda wild that they make cloud cover like that and then reverse it in 1 week no?

[tribal blade]

the stuff like the crit dmg and DR was unintentional

[molten citrus]

seemed pretty obvious that it was unintentionally interacting with other talents

[tribal blade]

also outlaw scaled crazy hard with it

it was way too much power in 1 talent

[lilac stag]

you pvpers ruined it for the pirates

[tribal blade]

lol i can only imagine what pvp was like with that talented

rogues must have been DOMINATING

[molten citrus]

plz do not troll me for the next month ok

[tribal blade]

although crit chance is lower in pvp gear in general

[lilac stag]

I haven’t seen that much hate towards outlaw/rogue in PvP in a hot minute on reddit

[molten citrus]

this tuning post has fully doomspiraled me

[tribal blade]

is it gutting sub and outlaw?

[lilac stag]

I mean I leveled my warrior yesterday.

[neon frigate]

and demon hunters are getting nerfed too :D?

[molten citrus]

yes

and sub didn't even need a nerf

even with cloud cover it wasn't good

...

[tribal blade]

oh

that's tough

yeah this is literally every single pvp season with sub

[neon frigate]

but sub isnt getting hit as hard as outlaw. Outlaw can apply 2 stacks, sub still 3 stacks.

[tribal blade]

sub is really really good then blizz hammers it with nerfs over and over again

[molten citrus]

they buffed outlaw 3 times in a row (4 counting cloud cover) in pvp and now they're nerfing it back to below where the 3rd buff put them

its genuinely abysmal idfk what they're thinking

[short radish]

rogues never allowed to do damage in pvp

[tribal blade]

yeah but outlaw has x3 the uptime of cloud than sub

hence them nerfing the stack amount

but you are right, outlaw is getting hit with a nerf and sub is not

at least in PVE

[molten citrus]

ye the compensation buffs are not for pvp

which is insane to me

[tribal blade]

ok that's really bad

[rough granite]

I'm genuinely convinced that there's no solid rogue dev, so we get bounced around to several people trying their best/implementing ideas they like before it's hot potato'd and quickly rebalanced to the new person's liking.

[tribal blade]

yeah

[hazy breach]

Theres no specific class dev for any spec or class

[rough granite]

That seems like a poor choice in the long play of things.

[tribal blade]

blizz has gone on a train of trying to increase profits since like legion

which naturally meant cutting costs of things like customer service

[neon frigate]

I still cannot get the same damage as my wifes beast mastery hunter and that rotation is so easy

[tribal blade]

and GMs

and devs i imagine

[tribal blade]

hrm

that's a tough one

maybe press buttons harder

[neon frigate]

i mean in mythic +. Overall damage. We are both 280 ish

[tribal blade]

ah i see

i dunno what BM does in keys

[neon frigate]

a lot 😄

[tribal blade]

but it's not tuned well right now it seems

[neon frigate]

insane AOE dmg

[dusky yacht]

Enshittification

[tribal blade]

i'm not sure BM is doing insane aoe dmg

it doesn't look like it

[obsidian crag]

try to farm more dps on big packs, box and mastery flasks and recklesness pot will get you far ahead, also, pre pot before dg starts and pot again on lust

[tribal blade]

in fact it appears BM and sub is doing very similar overall in keys

from very limited data i'm looking at

[lilac stag]

BM is good in keys. It’s not SV though

[drifting ether]

Sub rogues pretty popular now, so im guessing they want to keep the class simple since pruning was a success

[obsidian crag]

this was a BM hunter

also, do not die during the dg, helps

[neon frigate]

but in big packs i rarely get above 400k dps doing a lot of shuriken storm and BP and sec tec when I can when SD is up

400k is in burst

my wife does 500 + in AOE groups :S

[small sleet]

in big packs i regularly reach 800k+

[tribal blade]

i can do 500k burst

[small sleet]

so it might be a rotation/priority thing

[tribal blade]

sub is definitely capable of those numbers

[neon frigate]

i really hope im doing something wrong

[obsidian crag]

i burst to 650-700 most of the times on first pack

[neon frigate]

wth

this is not good for the marriage ofcourse

[torpid echo]

Yeah same. I did a pit 10 yesterday and I almost got to 1M first pack

I wish my wife played wow and kicked my butt tbh x)

[somber sun]

with pot ?

[small sleet]

yeah pot + lust is what im talking about there

like first pull pit and such

[tribal blade]

i never look at meters during a pull so i have no idea what my burst is peaking at

but yeah it's strong right now

[limber folio]

will this overcap, or will i just lose the vault currency if i buy the voidcore..?

[obsidian crag]

pot, lust, flasks, everything, u cant really expect much with un-enchanted gear and not using consumables

[tribal blade]

buying will not be affected by the cap

[somber sun]

yeah ofc

just that 800k seems crazy

I only hit 400k ish

[small sleet]

i also mean like peak by this

you wont end the pull at 800k

[tribal blade]

yeah they're talking about peak

[torpid echo]

Not to mention that pot is massive this expansion.

[small sleet]

unless its a low key and it dies insanely fast

[tribal blade]

i was talking about what i end a pull at

[somber sun]

yeah ik ik

[tribal blade]

i did a 10 nexus helping guidies today and ended the first pull around 500k

and then the healer who's key we pugged into said "holy shit"

and then continued to keep saying "holy shit" as i DESTROYED taht key

[dusky yacht]

yo hold up I need a better pc so I can start logging my keys

[tribal blade]

literally blew 1 boss up in like 60 seconds or something

[limber folio]

why would you need a better pc to log keys? xD

[neon frigate]

what pot are we talking about?

mastery flask and then light potion?

[limber folio]

you just /combatlog and then upload the file

[tribal blade]

use main stat pot

[limber folio]

theres no reason to livelog

[tribal blade]

not using pots is a massive dps loss right now

[torpid echo]

The 5mins CD pot like light's potential

[somber sun]

not really

[tribal blade]

it's 500-600 main stat

[somber sun]

just better internet

[tribal blade]

which is like 1/3rd of your base agi or something

[limber folio]

why better internet

the upload just takes a wee bit longer

[tribal blade]

just buy the rank 1 pots, they're cheap and give 500 agi

rank 2 if you can swing the gold for 600 agi

[dusky yacht]

Google told me it can cause input lag etc but yeah they were prolly talking about live logs then

[neon frigate]

hmm i will try with pot, but to be honest the hunter wasnt using pots too ^^

this is my gear:
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/doomhammer/albertwesker/

(the wrists are now 285 crafted btw)

[lilac stag]

Welcome to weekly key dmg

[limber folio]

100%

[somber sun]

yeah try to get to 280 with tier 2 enchants and gems, it will get waaay better

also use tier two flasks and pots for raids

[neon frigate]

which enchants do I miss?

[somber sun]

idk if its just me, are the legs enchanted ?

also those are not that good on sub

[lilac stag]

Unless you’re using a haste flask, you’re short on haste by a good amount.

[tribal blade]

WOOOO

[somber sun]

and last try to get gaze

[neon frigate]

gaze?

[somber sun]

chim trinket

[neon frigate]

ah yea

[lilac stag]

I wish you were killing paladins before us on Tuesday. Need a report on how sub went.

[fossil forge]

Guys alleria ded today any prayers

[tribal blade]

hahaaa i think it'll be fine

[lilac stag]

psure we’re extending so I may just do a pull or two as sub

[tribal blade]

because sub is now doing similar numbers to sin from weeks back kinda

plus sub is much tankier than sin

[fossil forge]

OUTLAW GAMING

[tribal blade]

and i can play sub in my sleep

so i might just play sub and say fuck it

[lilac stag]

All outlaws are in prison come Tuesday.

[tribal blade]

oh also sub is up +2.5% this week

so even more dmg

[fossil forge]

thats why i need to enjoy it this raid

real quick

[lilac stag]

Let me find the link. One sec

[fossil forge]

[tribal blade]

also not needing to cast puzzle on paladins

will be A+

[small sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[tribal blade]

casting puzzle and praying i don't get hit by shit

[fossil forge]

Cast puzzle b into cast 2sec prayer irl

[tribal blade]

paladins not a dps check at all, just a live check

[dusky yacht]

Guys wtf is dis

Do I need this to log

[lilac stag]

@fossil forge #subtlety message

[fossil forge]

Yea the classic

[lilac stag]

I’m over the RTB experiment

pressing a buff ability should not trigger manic depression

[tribal blade]

YUP

literally my reaction when outlaw dropped in legion

[lilac stag]

here’s a 1 or 2 roll, enjoy your debuff.

[tribal blade]

at least 2 is playable

1 is unplayable

[fossil forge]

I love gambling

[tribal blade]

RtB is the whole reason i can't get behind outlaw

which is coincidentally why so many people love it

[lilac stag]

I input lagged a jackpot KiR by .5 seconds too late since it still wasn’t up. KiR went off. Didn’t get the extend. Rolled to get buffs. Single. Hahaha

[tribal blade]

so it's just not for me

[fossil forge]

technically speaking u never 1 buff If you play correctly

(I managed to have a 5min 1buff uptime on my first run)

[tribal blade]

i can't remember from my testing but i think it can happen

[lilac stag]

there can be some weird timing disconnects in keys, especially with a wipe

not often but man when it happens. fml

[neon frigate]

little question: i have 811 crit, 502 haste, and 657 mastery (without pots). Would it be good to ditch some crit and go for haste?

[lilac stag]

The hallway in PIT I had jackpot + kir to pull aggro off the slightly undergeard brm. Went splat.

never saw more than a 2 after that until last 10 seconds of boss

[tribal blade]

use haste flask

[lilac stag]

See what gear you can swap to get to 684-700 haste. Try to go for mastery or legit just use a haste flask.

you’ll be fine with flask + oils

[neon frigate]

what does haste do? you notice difference between 500 haste and 700 haste?

[tribal blade]

yes big difference

[lilac stag]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[lilac stag]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[neon frigate]

of i will use haste flask, and some1 said oil? what oil?

[tribal blade]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=243734/thalassian-phoenix-oil buy these on the AH

[neon frigate]

thank you so much

[tribal blade]

not using consumables is quite a big dps loss

ofc!

[neon frigate]

gonna try now

[tribal blade]

if you're strapped for gold just buy rank 1

[azure thicket]

that was the nice about hidden opportunity versus kir, you could just get random god buffs doing your rotation

or just roll a 5 buff depending on the season

[tribal blade]

i found HO way more fun to play than KIR

probably because it played less into RTB lol

[azure thicket]

had this one ho mechagon where i legit rolled 2 buffs until the last minutes fwiw and then it was just 5 buff 5 buff 5 buff

i think lights potential adds 10k dps to a dslice sim forgot to add it when i was checking outlaw gear stuff

really likes solarflare prism over ranger trinket on hero for some reason

[modern matrix]

hey, i havent seen in the pins, with next patch coming, the stats are now around 700 haste still then crit right ?

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/condestável-condestavel-wojak-doomer-wojak-scary-wojak-gif-12758665197812043739

@tribal blade

[tribal blade]

LOL pain

well not pain for me

i'm over gold cap heehee

[fossil forge]

im kinda broke

rn

we start mythic boosts soon so thank god

[tribal blade]

damn that blows

[azure thicket]

i figure purchasing power is gonna go up after the turbo boost fully rolls out

[fossil forge]

only reason im broke is because we have 3 raids a week

and i recraft like

9 times a week

because my other rogue has shit items

so i played law on my main

[azure thicket]

cause yeah m+ boosts are gonna go large ppl wanting 3.4k and whatnot

[tribal blade]

jesus

[azure thicket]

yeah double jesus

[fossil forge]

soon gaze on other rogue.

[limber folio]

https://tenor.com/view/moomin-the-moomins-hooray-happy-celebration-gif-18474911

[tribal blade]

oh i could easily sell 4k to people

i have 16 resil

wait not 4k

3.4k

numbers

[azure thicket]

just call zac

[tribal blade]

LOL nah

[azure thicket]

nah just kidding but yeah

[fossil forge]

m+ boosts so pisseasy rn

[tribal blade]

he will try to razzle dazzle me with his smelly french pirate words

[azure thicket]

dude's hiding in a baguette fr

[tribal blade]

with a stick of butter

[fossil forge]

BAGUETTES MENTIONED?

[tribal blade]

i've been to france once for my sister's wedding

[tribal blade]

it's actually crazy how decadent they eat

like super calorie dense food

[azure thicket]

enhance

[tribal blade]

but they eat so little of it

so it balances itself out

[fossil forge]

wym

[tribal blade]

it's fascinating

[azure thicket]

i've had brazillian food twice which more than i've had french food

[dusky yacht]

Tiny li'l pieces of literal snail BATHING IN BUTTER BABY HAVE SOME OLD SCHOOL BREAD WITH THAT WOULD YOU ENJOY A HEARTATTACK THIS WEEK

[tribal blade]

haha and they're all so skinny

i've never seen better food discipline than with the french

[dusky yacht]

It's funny though, I'm Belgian and literally the same, I mean I'm mildly muscular but I have no idea how I'm not fat with all the shit I eat

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[azure thicket]

you guys have cities to walk around

[tribal blade]

i'm half chinese

[azure thicket]

and bike paths

[tribal blade]

so it's in my genes to be naturally lean

[dusky yacht]

And to disappoint your parents

[tribal blade]

AND disappoint my chinese mom

[azure thicket]

house slippers

[tribal blade]

asian parents are scary

[dusky yacht]

They're like "asian schools are doing really well" and I'm like no shit I wonder why scared of asian moms as somebody trained in self defense

[azure thicket]

yeah my asian mom is pretty americanized

no house slippers except me and hamburger

🍔

[tribal blade]

i have legit PTSD from being raised by an asian parent trying to dictate my education

[tribal blade]

LUCKY

[azure thicket]

figure in 2 hours ppl will be up doing keys again idk what to do

[thin sinew]

well i'm ready for going assassination on paladins 💀

[lilac stag]

The new cook is stay sub

[dusky yacht]

Stay sub, outdps people anyway, assert dominance

[thin sinew]

isn't that more mental illness?

[azure thicket]

buddy i got sent to spensive schools but also valid cause our area's public schools had metal detectors and cops in vests out front at 2:30 every day xD

[dusky yacht]

Your point, Sir?

[lilac stag]

Is there really a difference on that fight? Menty starts as soon as you’re on the roster for that fights as melee.

[tribal blade]

lol it's actually impossible

unless people are gray parsing 🙂

[brisk onyx]

It is true, because in reality, whether you use sin or sub is insignificant (in this combat)

[thin sinew]

Yeh it's a pretty major difference sadly :S

[dusky yacht]

This is why you bribe your healers

[tribal blade]

with how much dmg we're doing now

and sub is gaining more dmg on reset

it doesn't matter what you play on paladins anymore

[dusky yacht]

We are equal in shit

[dusky yacht]

Other classes: sneezes for 160k dps on vanguards

[azure thicket]

we have 2 sub rogues in our raid it's the weirdest thing

[tribal blade]

so sub is now closing in on doing the top end of what sin was doing weeks ago

[azure thicket]

hopefully i have an outlaw set for vanguard we gotta do dragons next reset

[tribal blade]

obv sin is still much better

but i don't think it really matters anymore

[thin sinew]

Well no, but it's nice to have the option depending on how things go

[tribal blade]

sub also has the benefit of being much tankier than sin

[lilac stag]

yeah one spec makes your healer's life way easier. there's also some sub parses getting to the 150 range so with how bad it actually is vs no one playing it.

[thin sinew]

I usually find i do pretty well on paladins but that's heroic so really not a fair comparison

[lilac stag]

you're not there to do dmg on the fight

[tribal blade]

playing sin on paladins kinda kills my mental ngl

[brisk onyx]

If you happen to have a suitable gear, then you can use sin; if not, it's okay, because you'll be at the bottom anyway, and using sin won't change that fact

[tribal blade]

because bricking my energy with CT feels horrible

[lilac stag]

if you enjoy assa, by all means play it. it is our best cleave spec. sub is servicable enough for progging. that fight is all on your healers and tanks

[tribal blade]

the funny thing is TWW sub would be absolutely blasting paladins

so hard

[brisk onyx]

CT didn't completely replace Fok is the thing I can't understand most at midnight. It feels like they were cooking something and then got a phone call and gave up

[lilac stag]

we did on demonhunters, minus the fucked up timings

[tribal blade]

i think ti's fine, just CT costs way too much energy

being almost double the energy cost of FoK is insane

[tribal blade]

TRUE

i would top that fight all the time

[lilac stag]

that last blade timing was soooo bad

[tribal blade]

i honestly don't remember but yeah

[thin sinew]

Don't remind me T.T

[lilac stag]

you either clipped it with intermission or waited to after for basically no dmg

[tribal blade]

TWW outlaw would also be blasting paladins

[tribal blade]

oh yeahhhhh

[azure thicket]

do they go into the last intermission before enrage right around when it goes up

[lilac stag]

fury was fun on demonhunters

that's where I got class swapped lol

[azure thicket]

our one kill we dropped one of em as they phased and then just kinda damaged the other two

[tribal blade]

i guess we're just living with sloppy council fights now

i realized

1 in every raid

[lilac stag]

we get monks next

[tribal blade]

which is a ton of mechanics vomit on the ground

LOL true

[azure thicket]

i wouldn't mind timewalking df raids tbh

probs monks yeah lol

[fossil forge]

last szn council was goated

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade recrafted for neck drop. we

[tribal blade]

huge!

i don't really need to change any gear i don't think

just use mast flask and i'm good

might drop some crit to reduce variance

[lilac stag]

i had to drop haste with neck

[tribal blade]

but also doesn't really matter

[stoic anchor]

When are the 7% buffs comming in , wednesday, right?

[tribal blade]

i have alleria neck and nexus ring set so i'm very good on haste

[stoic anchor]

And do we change back to no scrupules and mastery?

[tribal blade]

it's more like 2.5%

[lilac stag]

right i had the heroic rings, and didnt have neck so neck put we way over

[tribal blade]

yes

[stoic anchor]

Yes

[fossil forge]

@tribal blade alleria neck+ nexus rings + alleria pants ?

cook

[tribal blade]

vers/mast pants 😉

because of a bad vault

[stoic anchor]

Luv blizzard ping ponging our stats mid expansion

[fossil forge]

anlaki but u can get them haste mastery

and its 100haste i think

[real panther]

how much crit do we want for next patch?

[tribal blade]

i'm so good on haste i'm chilling

it's really easy for me to add more haste with all the gear i have

i could hit 1100 for DS right now

[stoic anchor]

there's a saying in my country which means: get undressed i'm going to f u , get dressed i'm not going to f u anymore. That's how blizz treats sub xd

Updates so bad i'm 99% sure they got no idea what they want to do with the spec. Also deathstalker sits like that meme on the bottom of the ocean

[fossil forge]

i have this vision

alleria neck+ lura ring+the pants would go crazy

[real panther]

I mean, they havent even fixed the premed clone bug did they?

[hazy breach]

They have not reworked premed no

[tribal blade]

it's not a bug and doesn't really matter anymore

since strike isn't gonna be doing ridiculous crit dmg anymore

[lilac stag]

back to focusing on finishers

broke 110 with neck

[void ocean]

so does than change our funnel rotation

[shadow lance]

The famous funnel

[paper trail]

How good is the nexus rings for us in general?

[void ocean]

well the one i got is about to become very good

i got the haste mastery one after 3 rolls and was sad

[hazy breach]

Its alright

[void ocean]

then tunning happened

[plush roost]

Oh u mean gear for tokens

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach are the spell overrides for raidbots posted anyplace, or can you share?

[plush roost]

Nexus ring gud ye

[void ocean]

i got 698 haste now with cheaper oils, i aint paying 10x the price for extra 3 crit n haste

[rustic mortar]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Critical Strike > Haste(roughly 700) >= Mastery > Versatility
Mythic+: Mastery >Haste(roughly 700) >= Critical Strike > Versatility

[rustic mortar]

with 1006 crit 705 haste 482 mastery i should just go for mastery flask i guess ?

[limber folio]

probably, but you can also sim flasks now

[tight fjord]

I have no idea how this even works

If you purposely over cap is it like guaranteeing double finisher

[rustic mortar]

oh nice will test

[tight fjord]

I gotta read it again

[tribal blade]

3 conditions gotta be true:

1. at full CP
2. apex is not procced
3. have 5 or more sht stored

so storm>all those conditions are true>strike>BP>BP

but it's kinda super sweaty prio stuff, not really useful for anyone not doing high keys

[dusky yacht]

Just push buttons

[tribal blade]

true just push buttons

i dunno if any of the high IO sub rogues even do this

charrend definitely did

[tight fjord]

Yea lmao, I mean I have some nasty parses on stuff here and there but I have no idea how to manipulate that part

So I have to track that buff too

[dusky yacht]

I mean I only do AA procs on supercharge even while bping but I'm not sure I know wtf you guys are on about

[tight fjord]

It's just how to sneak a little more prio without big sacrifice

Manipulating the apex

[fervent socket]

have a question about SIM numbers Vs actual DPS, what impact on the numbers I would see on a training dummy should I expect to see with / without buffs and food?

[swift tinsel]

you can do a target dummy sim

or just turn off buffs

[azure thicket]

it's weird with the changes to the rotation guidon causes

[tribal blade]

basically a way to do more prio without doing the huge sacrifice of spamming evis

[vale pine]

you will use mastery flask again always with reset

[azure thicket]

you end up without enough shadow technique points stored up to hit the optimization most of the time

in blades at least

[vale pine]

you can run a target dummy sim, but in general if you are within 80-90% of your sim dps, thats great. especially if you start out on the spec

[dusky yacht]

I noticed with mastery flask my crit and mastery are perfectly balanced, did I do good senpai? Do I even need to recraft senpai?

[vale pine]

nicu

already well geared for reset

[dusky yacht]

[fervent socket]

Ah I did not know that, running a basic one now. Since the default sim was saying I should be hitting 90Kdps approx but I can barely achieve 60k on the dummy (without food etc)

[vale pine]

you will perform even worse if you don't use consumables

especially combat potions have a high impact

[dusky yacht]

This can't be right

I'm 282 and my sims are way lower on ST

Unbuffed I mean

Except with oils but I include those in my ST sims

[fervent socket]

yeah thats a conclusion I was making, like either A) I am sucking hard during rotation practice or B) Ive messed up the SIM

spoilers... after running the sim correctly Im getting 60.7K dps

[azure thicket]

depending on the length of the fight you'll see variance in that number

[fervent socket]

I'm just relieved that I'm not to far off, was going mental thinking i couldn't play the class

[dusky yacht]

My God 14 keys are so washed, first tank is so careful we are taking 5 min every pack to kill random non-prio or caster mobs, next tank doesn't know where to go and the healer thinks we should wait for him to eat after every pack LMAO

(Eat irl, not in game btw)

[tight fjord]

in m+ what% magic dmg are we

like 65% magic?

[lilac stag]

They’re a big step up for people not comfortable with doing them.

[dusky yacht]

[lilac stag]

ie most players in the game

[dusky yacht]

I should've stayed shit at the game and not learned anything, maybe I would've been happy and eating in keys too

[swift tinsel]

maybe this is them learning

[lilac stag]

yep

but go off in a discord.

[vital ocean]

ive been asked to soak on beloran (the stacked birds dive), im being told i can live with just feint, it seems all logs are running cheat death, is it correct i can live with just feint ? seems crazy when other people need all sorts of externals

[dusky yacht]

I mean I will, feels good man

[shrewd lantern]

depends how many people are in it too

[lilac stag]

you’re a rogue. Be happy you got an invite.

[dusky yacht]

My key that got bricked before

[lilac stag]

so why didn’t you invite higher io players? Oh wait, you’re a rogue.

[dusky yacht]

They were 3k+

[vital ocean]

seems we are 2 for the first one (plus some extrernals) and 3 people in one after (i solo very first one with cloak)

[lilac stag]

You’re complaining about a 14 and acting like 3k is big

there is a disconnect here

[shrewd lantern]

yeah only 2 people isnt enough for just feint

[dusky yacht]

I didn't say 3k was big, but I knew what to do when I was 3k so idk man

[lilac stag]

you’re a dps. Just don’t stand in shit.

[dusky yacht]

And maybe don't eat in a key while "learning"

[lilac stag]

see how the going off makes me feel better?

[dusky yacht]

I'm happy it did

[torn tide]

i love how people as dps will be like "yo healer wtf are u doing im dying so much!" while standing in every puddle n shit

[vital ocean]

yeah thats what i was thinking too, thanks ill have a look at some logs and a talk to RL 😄

1. Roloff Cloak, 2x Externals, Aug Zephyr
2. Mage Block, Roloff Feint, 1x External, 2x Hunter sac, aug Zephyr
   p2:
3. mage Block, Roloff Feint, 2x Externals, aug Zephyr
4. Roloff Feint, 2x Aug Cheat, aug Zephyr, 1x External, 2x Hunter sac

this is the plan, im gonna look at some logs and see if they have simulair setup

[lilac stag]

they’re learning and you’re learning. Likely neither will actually learn anything from any of this.

[quaint breach]

3k today is prolly 2200 rio 3 vecks ago 😅 skill wise

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-maclean-nhl-hockey-stats-statistics-gif-13408391465163304912

[dusky yacht]

I'm learning, that's true

[quaint breach]

inflation errywhere

[lilac stag]

Fucking Obama

Killing IO

[shrewd lantern]

you can just have warlocks sit in it too

and you dont need externals

[vital ocean]

ill suggest it to the RL 😄 thanks mate!

[shrewd lantern]

i mean our warlocks tank it no externals being in it too

class is dumb

[vital ocean]

this is true and understated.

[burnt panther]

With the nerf to Outlaw and the buff to Suty, do you think Suty will be better than Outlaw in Keys, or will it stay the same?

[shrewd lantern]

not understated locks are just gaslighters

[short radish]

didn't come last on birb

should have sandbagged even more

[solar glen]

How we play the 2 Drakes in Mythic in Voidspire? Just like a Mobgroup and hit up on bp?

[lilac stag]

have you tried doing dmg mate?

[short radish]

i was trying to do the opposite

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-797109095501667511

[short radish]

i was competing with healers for bottom of the meter in p1

[lilac stag]

that was me on our heroic shenanigans

[warm marlin]

[short radish]

okay nevermind i beat the healers but narrowly lost to one of the tanks

[plush roost]

I cant wait to reclear beloran next week, play sub, send cds at 20 seconds, first egg burn and halfway through p2 into last 20 seconds of egg and parse 100

Ethicaliry

Is out the door

[warm marlin]

who needs ethics when they added 10s to the burn cuh

[plush roost]

Exactly

[short radish]

surely it will be a 1 phase push

[plush roost]

Idt 1 phase is doable yet

Maybe in 5 weeks

1 heal beloran

Lock in

[warm marlin]

just play more immunes and go 1/1/18

pally bubble in the tank thing

[torpid snow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd lantern]

non smoke gamers next week

though

[plush roost]

Also really glad that we havent recleared paladins yet

So i can need on ring

And be BiS on reset

[warm marlin]

we started our p*sh this weekend

[plush roost]

Keystones?!?

[warm marlin]

yes

its gaming time

[plush roost]

[warm marlin]

our purple guy got the veteran of the dawn achievement shortly after our first 19

[plush roost]

Strong powerful

Dw my healer was playing a adventure track chest

And timed 19 maisara a couple weeks ago

[warm marlin]

our comp is simply unethical

[plush roost]

Monk rogue rogue warrior shaman!

[warm marlin]

i am afraid not..

[plush roost]

🥀

[warm marlin]

brew/disc/ddh/udk/demo

[plush roost]

...

Yeah u could say that

[warm marlin]

and our healer also has shaman at 275 waiting to swap if we end up needing lust

[woeful dome]

What do we reckon lads, are we taking back over from outlaw again?

[hexed wave]

yea im trying to set upmy talents for reset, wont be on till then

[plush roost]

Meh

Outlaw will be gud in raid still its just 6% on a class that can highroll 140k st

[woeful dome]

Putrid tuning tbh i can’t understand why 3 specs of a pure dps class were in the bottom half til last patch, which they’re reverting

[night sluice]

how much buff is the tuning in m+?

it only says one number so I assumed that's ST

[plush roost]

Its similar in aoe

2.5-4% probably

Depending on pulls/key

Being able to play even more mastery is only a net gain for aoe

[vale pine]

the buffs are roughly 2.5-3%

if you switch to deathstalker on single target can add another 2% on top

burst damage is lower, as we switch off cloud cover

(tho we do more damage overall, means this effect is diminished)

[hexed wave]

just stick to trickster guys

[abstract cosmos]

yup

[vale pine]

diffrence is small enough for you to not care

so ye

[last marten]

can we shadowstep cast down from last boss sky reach ?

[swift tinsel]

the duality of subtlety, we'll play funny optimizations for 0.5% gain but skip a hero tree thats 2% ahead

(bc said hero tree sucks)

[vale pine]

you can vanish it

step does not work

[last marten]

oohh

does meld work aswell ?

[vale pine]

think people will play deathstalker on the more single target oriented fights

tho we will see

towards the "optimization" thing

remember that people lose their mind over 0.5% higher dps for a trinket

meanwhile everyone will tell you how race does not matter

me playing undead is a 1.5% or higher dps loss

[swift tinsel]

lmao yep 100%

[vale pine]

which is more than most optimizations or trinkets offer

its a weird dynamic

[warm marlin]

I would tell you that race does matter!

[dense coyote]

what are diminishing returns when it comes to stats ? like can one have TOO much of a stat ?

[vale pine]

i mean, bloodmallet even normalizes the race chart so every race looks the same

streamers will always tell you it does not matter

outside of maybe high m+, where racials like dwarf can be valuable

[vale pine]

yes, there are diminishing returns on stats

but the simulations take these into account

[dusky yacht]

I'm trying to figure out logging but this is weird, does it take time for the upload to get accurately parsed or something? It's telling me 131k dps in one and 139 in the other but in game DPS meters said 141k lmao

[pastel rampart]

insane human rogue value.... 2% more haste gained...

[vale pine]

in game damage meters are not super accurate

[vale pine]

often show wrong values

[dense coyote]

i noticed on wowhead it says above X rating .. is that number the same as

[dusky yacht]

Ah right

[dense coyote]

this number

[dusky yacht]

But it's also saying 131k in the list of my PoS parses but 139 inside the actual log itself

[vale pine]

yes, you essentially get lower amount of benefits per stat point above X

[dusky yacht]

[pastel rampart]

ive seen some discussion about races w crit dmg bonus getting higher value from the crit enchants because they stack in a weird way, are they already reflected in sims? havent really kept up

[hazy breach]

Yes but its not something you ever really need to think about

[dense coyote]

my stat ratings are really low then ?

it seems like it owuld be really hard to hit those

or get above those

[dense coyote]

ok

[pastel rampart]

if ur really curious there are addons like truestatvalues that show it but you need to give it 0 thought and afk follow sim so theres not much point

[vale pine]

stat amount goes up over time

[shrewd lantern]

or you can just run the sim

and let it do the thinking

[vale pine]

so stat dr becomes more relevant for later tiers of a xpac

[dense coyote]

yeah i suppose so

[vale pine]

always was like this

but as eleem mentioned, i wouldn't concern myself over it

[pastel rampart]

^

[vale pine]

the simualtions include the dr, so gear evaluation is correct either way

[shrewd lantern]

imo dwarf is the safest option

for a race that is always good

[vale pine]

and balance tuning, or how much damage each spec does

is usually decided by damage tuning, so buffs and nerfs

rather than pure stats

stats play a overall very small part in your output

[dusky yacht]

Same log, different number

da heckers

[vale pine]

[dusky yacht]

I must be doing something wrong

Does method raid tool auto log actually work properly?

[warm marlin]

key logs are sometimes a little bit off on rankings page vs. the log itself

im honestly not even sure why

[vale pine]

should work

BUT

[sick karma]

premeditation stil bug?

[warm marlin]

but it is a consistent thing

[vale pine]

make sure you have advanced logging enabled in the networking settings

[dusky yacht]

I do

[vale pine]

yes

[lilac stag]

It’s a feature

[sick karma]

u.u

[dense coyote]

okay imn just simming like a good boy

[dusky yacht]

I mean maybe I just messed up somehow idk I'll try again later

[dry surge]

I'm assuming trick haste BP stays the same

[warm marlin]

anyone happen to know if you can wear a second crafted ring

i assume not

have to mix loa worship/masterwork sindorei if you want 2x crafted?

[dry surge]

Is it unique or unique (2)

[warm marlin]

unique

[dry surge]

Just 1 then I think

[warm marlin]

sad change from tww

[calm wing]

[dusky yacht]

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-godfather-its-not-personal-its-strictly-business-business-al-pacino-gif-4048020

[feral geyser]

Hello !! quick question, I keep running into the situation at end of SB ; my ST is up but i'm not in SD. My next SD is coming 1s too late to be in my SB window. So my question is, should I send ST during SB or keep it and use it on max CP with SD ?

[hazy breach]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[tight fjord]

i mean

the rank 4 guy did the same thing, pumping evisc into this boss

[feral geyser]

tysm !!

[tight fjord]

and rank 5

and rank 6

[lilac stag]

lol back to “funnel” on the first AA boss. love it.

[tight fjord]

hahhaa

alright i'll stop

[tepid trellis]

atleast im finally free from lura now

[sullen hare]

I thought I was trapped in a time vortex. Weren't we chatting about this literal days ago?

[lilac stag]

Yesterday

[dry surge]

Time isn't real

[sullen hare]

Oh ok I'm on a road trip so time is relative

Do we need a meme for this?

[tight fjord]

I just didn't get the satisfaction from chat so I had to check logs

[lilac stag]

Meanwhile the rogue pressing BP in the 20 finished the 20 a minute faster than the 18 pressing evic

[tight fjord]

Ok ok

[sullen hare]

For good measure I'll just repeat what I said before

Always remember that if the adds have to die, it's not padding

#subtlety message
Also still never accept ret paladin cope

[lilac stag]

Did 56k more dps overall.

[tight fjord]

His devourer has the real funnel carrying there

That Chinese guy or whatever did less than the monk tank to the boss

[lilac stag]

he could have used strike more over Storm

[warm marlin]

if your tank isnt going to die its literally just correct to do funnel rotation on that boss

when u play law in that key u cancel bladeflurry if you have a funnel guy

[lilac stag]

just because someone plays a key a certain way doesn’t mean it’s correct. Slam strike. Hit BP if you need the adds dead. Hit evis if the adds are obliterated.

just realize we ain’t funneling shit.

We can prio some dmg

[fast dome]

just do keys as assa. be a man.

[tight fjord]

I guess it only really matters if it's stressing out the tank or not, for those adds to die slower, and that's all

[lilac stag]

you mean UDK

[vale pine]

congratulations

[lilac stag]

pressing storm out of dance to funnel evic is such minimal shit with how poor our out of dmg is (which is a good thing)

and tell your ret to fuck off and press their utility more in a key

[somber sun]

all that for aug to do same damage as tank

[dreamy wedge]

Hey people. I did (tried) a 17 today and it felt like packs are living too long to have nice uptime on my cooldowns. is it time to go sin at that level, or group damage was just too low?

[keen steppe]

For funnel play ds

[mighty citrus]

for some reason we did the bird first, today we start crown. any tips from my fellow rogues, who have progged it?

[tight fjord]

Idk the flow seems fine to me shadow blades every other pack, still have dance burst for the inbetween packs. It's probably just your tank not alternating between one big pull one small pull on their routes when possible

[warm marlin]

the literal entire fight for melee is learning to bait obelisks correctly

if you can do this well as a group you will not lose much uptime at all

[dreamy wedge]

I didn't even know that was a thing.

[warm marlin]

also if you eat the little add swirls in p1 you steal the damage taken increase from the big add which is bad

[mighty citrus]

obelisk is the circle where you stretch the 3 arrows correct? (playing in my own language)

[warm marlin]

yes

[mighty citrus]

oh thats good info

[tight fjord]

Tanks at title level used to use add-ons to track their groups CDs and know when to pull bigger to use the 90 sec CDs efficiently for the timers

[warm marlin]

1. bait obelisks (stand where you want to aim them, especially in p2)
2. dont get hit by little add swirls in p1
3. cloak doesnt work on the obelisk dot, can still press it to stop rot damage but you probably want to crimson vial/consider healthstone etc. when you get it
4. careful with step on the jumps in p3 because if you click it on boss/players you can just fall into the void

[mighty citrus]

yeah iam 100% sure i will die to step later in the fight 😄

[hallow mortar]

i already did

gotta wait little till boss move

[warm marlin]

its ok cant get worse than this

[mighty citrus]

haha yeah

[hallow mortar]

yep that happaed to me 😄

[mighty citrus]

this is kinda of how i imagine

i will die

[mighty citrus]

is the full pov video on yt?

[warm marlin]

no

[frosty bramble]

lol SS in mid air gonna do that do a guy

[warm marlin]

also if you didnt watch the entire thing

its a bit cinema

[lilac stag]

The end it better

Than the start

[slate fable]

thats fucking great lol

absolute cinema

[hollow elk]

Yop might be a stupid question but this never happened to me before
If we have 2 rogues should one of them use the "less damage" non-lethal and the other rogue use the "cast speed slow" non-lethal poison?
Or do we not care, or do they stack effect?

[dreamy wedge]

They do not stack. Mind numbing poison doesn't work on bosses.

[hollow elk]

Thanks

[pseudo fiber]

guys, do we recon law > sub in highkeys still after nerfs pop?

[tight fjord]

Which boss

On chimareus mythic, prioritize having the numbing poison effect via atleast one warlock or rogue on each side, otherwise use atrophic

[hazy breach]

Yesnt. The attack speed slow works, but you usually have a DK that applies a stronger effect on the boss anyway (and they dont stack). But yes the cast speed slow doesnt work in raid unless its on smaller adds

[vale osprey]

But it does work on adds, so it's useful if you're doing it on Chimerus

[hazy breach]

Also the attack speed slow is kinda whatever as most tanks arent afraid of the melee hits, its some tank buster that kills them

[raw frost]

btw

why do we switch the talent for 10 % crit damage in dance for 25 % attack speed , with 12 % crit chance our crit is high so isn't the crit damage better XD

but for overall have no idea

if we hgave like 45 % crit chance on finsihers crit damage is heavy xd

[vale osprey]

Because SHT is op

[hazy breach]

Theyre about the same

[vale osprey]

And we like more stacks of em

[hazy breach]

But warning signs = more finishers

PE = more damage on everything, including shadowstrike

[stable dock]

at how many mobs in sub rogue do you do single target rotation and when do you do multi? like is it 2 mobs you do single target rotation / build with back stab or what?

[left ledge]

with potent powder you black powder at 2+

you strike up to 3 targets in dance, storm at 4+ in dance, stab at 1 outside, storm at 2+ outside

[stable dock]

Do you still build with shuriken storm or what ever it's called or build with backstab form stealth?

[left ledge]

you dont ever want to backstab from stealth

[stable dock]

Sorry what's the one called that's not backstab when you go stealth lol sorry

[left ledge]

shadowstrike

[stable dock]

I mean do you build points with shadowstrike in 2 mobs but use black powder as spender or always build with shuriken storm on more than 1 mob?

[left ledge]

#subtlety-faq message

it is more detailed in here

[stable dock]

Ah okay thank you!

Hope you have a good day!

[runic gulch]

Hey guys, I’ve been seeing that in the new patch it’s going to perform better to use Deathstalker instead of Trickster. If that’s the case, should I change my gear/stats? I was just about to enchant and gem everything 🙁

[hexed wave]

just stick to trickster, also, is that faq up to date for reset

[grim wasp]

Bound backstab on 3 keys so i feel like im pressing buttons

[timid pulsar]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[timid pulsar]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[warped stirrup]

i heard that the two performed same on ST but trickster was still better aoe? is that not the case?

im guessing thats accurate but just wanted to see insight into why deathstalker could be said to be ahead based on changes and where thatd be

[earnest crane]

guys are the new tunning are up or they will count on reset day ?

[warped stirrup]

patch is out the 5th

[vale pine]

thats true, trickster is stronger with more targets

[vale pine]

patch comes with server restart

(patch as in tuning changes)

[warped stirrup]

is there any basis to the claim that DS is better ST or is that just bs

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

^ you can look at simulations, the single target part of the sheet is updated with overwrites for the change

[warped stirrup]

oh huh

it does by a bit

[vale pine]

if these are 100% correct, we can't tell before the patch is live

[warped stirrup]

right

[runic gulch]

The stats don’t seem to vary much between the two, right?

[vale pine]

between deathstalker and trickster?

they do quite a bit

one goes for 700 haste

the other for 1100

[earnest crane]

assa is the weakest rogue ATM ?

[keen steppe]

i see it right we got a new talent for a week with that cloud and then after a week it get so hard nerfed that we dont skill it anymotre?

[vernal drum]

Hi, is the patch is up ?

[hazy breach]

No

Its on reset, as always

[vernal drum]

nice

ty

i have 2 more rolls

idk on what roll with that stuff :

my boots is mythic

[hazy breach]

Anything with a dagger

[dusky yacht]

14 key, well, that was an experience. Warlock high af, Shaman boosted?, healer god and DK god lmao

Just another day doing my own key

[west tide]

is the opener with the regular talents different

i forgot

[dusky yacht]

French WoW is so wild Voleuse Finesse de Niveau Qautre-Vingt-Dix oui oui tres baguette

[vernal drum]

You are rude @dusky yacht, voleuse*

[dusky yacht]

I'm Belgian I have the right to be rude to you

[vernal drum]

Hahaha

[dusky yacht]

Raid in 30 min, should I do another key rq?

https://giphy.com/gifs/movie-austin-powers-international-man-of-mystery-xUPGcJ9uOAL2h5wA5a

[dreamy wedge]

When did a key ever failed to finish within 30 minutes?
Never.

[craggy fractal]

are your neck/pants myth ? If not i'd say roll on pit for pants /dagger/neck and possibly ring if we still want that after the nerfs

[dreamy wedge]

We might want to cut a bit on crit (depends on your gear) so IDK if pit is such a clear go-to

[indigo wraith]

With the 7% buff minus the talent back to normal what are the approximate upgrade ?

Only 2.5 , rip

[craggy fractal]

I mean, i don't know which other dungeon got dagger + nice side upgrades, pit is pretty much a go to, no ?

[dreamy wedge]

I got all the good stuff from pit on my rolls and with coming tunnig I struggle to cut crit for mastery now.

[warped stirrup]

so i might be missing something here.
if shadowstrike tends to generate a lot of combo points and does a truck load of damage compared to shuriken storm, if we can hit max CP regardless why would be still shuriken storm during shadow dance on aoe?

is it just the find weakness?

[hallow mortar]

@warm marlin

double step get me from ridge 😄

[empty bobcat]

which dungeon?

[dusky yacht]

This is wild

[dusky yacht]

Skyreach, which is prolly why it was even possible to time it

[ember hull]

ima tweak out if i die to not being able to see the floor under my smoke one more time

just bricked a 16 cause it

is there a way to see thru that

a setting or something

[zenith hollow]

We wont run it next week so there's that

[empty bobcat]

did you log it? my numbers are similar but logs are way lower - I know its because its calculated differently but just curious what it logged for

[stable dock]

SO WITH update on tuesday with buffs is the entire build going to be changed for damage rotation etc?

[hazy breach]

No

[stable dock]

so still black powder spam 🙂 my Ret Pally main brain happy lol

[dusky yacht]

Uhh I think I did but haven't uploaded yet and I got mythic raid now

Wait maybe I can sneak it in real quick

[dusky yacht]

Yeah my logs seem to always be way lower too

[empty bobcat]

found it - was roughly 110k - kinda the same for me

[dusky yacht]

This was not optimal run for dps at all though like actually insane lmao

[warm marlin]

nah this crazy

every time i fell i was mashing it to get back up and it was los

gg

[gilded ferry]

wild

[fiery fog]

does anyone have a lura kick macro?

[sweet moss]

Guys correct talent changes on wednesday

not out rn

[somber sun]

nah guys

how do you even manage to pug m raids tf

[sharp ravine]

Focus macro
/target boss4
/focus
/targetlasttarget
/startattack

Kick macro
/cast [@focus,exists] Kick
/cast Feint

[sweet moss]

chat are we still using bomb till reset

[plush roost]

Why wouldnt u

[smoky bough]

does anyone have a good talent tree for mythic dragons?

[plush roost]

Its not updated yet

[plush roost]

Raid build drop wm grab potent powder kill orbs win

[smoky bough]

do i finish with powder or evis?

on the dragons

[plush roost]

If ur potent powder u powder in 2t

[smoky bough]

Okay thanks

[lilac stag]

Only eviscerates You’re casting are on the single add in intermission

envoy your strike to bp rotation.

[serene notch]

@plush roost when you are min maxing gem/enchantes and raid + push keys, do you go with dslice . patch work or something custom?

[plush roost]

Ill probably do patchwerk 10 targets if i end up playing sub lowkey

And then a patchwerk 1 4 min

And then dslice

Rn im vibe maxing

More mastery sir

Yes pls

[hazy breach]

Theres not really any difference between them anyway

[plush roost]

Ye

Itd be for talent checking more than gear

No lashe + finality 2x simmed higher for me...

[serene notch]

I see, finally jumping into mythic raiding. I need all the help i can get 😓

[hazy breach]

Like yeah 0.3% from swapping to mastery enchants on weapons, but thats nothing in the grand scheme of things

[serene notch]

sure fair

[hazy breach]

Playing well is like 90% of your dps

Talents like 8.5%

and stats like 1.5%

[plush roost]

????

Youre distributing wrong eleem

Lucky crits 99%

[hazy breach]

Truetrue

[plush roost]

Smilr

Wtb phys portion crits

[hazy breach]

No smoke = no rng next week

[still gazelle]

I feel like sometimes my Shadow dances 9 seconds and sometimes it says it's like 11 to 12

I always wait after I pop my trinket like a full second

This is without lust

[hazy breach]

Well thats the first dance

[plush roost]

U playing tfd

[still gazelle]

Oh ..

Damn..

So 9 seconds is what I should expect if I use the trinket correctly etc?

[plush roost]

We all make mistakes in the heat of passion jimbo

Mmm should be more like 8 seconds in your cds

Unless youre ds

[still gazelle]

I'm trickster. I could have sworn it says 9 seconds.

[plush roost]

Are you playing secondary stat potion

[still gazelle]

Maybe Im misreading.

[plush roost]

And using it after guidon

[still gazelle]

AGI pot and yeah using after Guidon

[plush roost]

Base is 5 6 seconds, 700 haste gives 1 second, for 7, and guidon gives 1 second for 8

[still gazelle]

Usually it's like trinket count to one pot and then macro

[plush roost]

If its agi pot doesnt matter

Secondary would give haste is why i was asking

[tepid trellis]

dance is 6

not 5

[plush roost]

I thought it was nerfed to 5 forever ago

Or was that the first rework

[tepid trellis]

700 haste adds 1.44 sec

which allows 8 globals

guidon adds a 9th global

[dense beacon]

Newb question: Which poisons do I use for Trickster PvE?

[plush roost]

Ah, ive been 700 haste very early so ig i just forgor

[plush roost]

Instant atrophic

[dense beacon]

TY

[brisk wind]

When does the leveling process of rogue get better

cuz im currently 20 and this energy consumption is insane

[lilac stag]

When you buy an 80 boost

[limpid sage]

no class plays properly till 80

[vale pine]

leveling on rogue is sadly not fun

it gets better once you get higher levels, but rogue solo content is never outstanding in terms of quality

[unkempt drum]

Yeah I used my free boost from buying TWW to raise mine

(if memory serves)

[fast dome]

Ok let me teach you young one. Step 1) Make an Earthen, you start at level 10. Use Delver's mana gate or the like to leave Earthen Starting Zone. Get the addon 'Dystinct Earthen Skyriding', fly around to level to 90 in 5 hours. Then race change if you like

Zero combat, quests, or dungeons needed to 10-90 (and you START at 10)

[brisk wind]

I dont have earthen unlocked sadly

[half comet]

In between ur dances in blades do u want to make sure ur at full combo points for the next dance

[fast dome]

that takes maybe an hour unless I guess you did zero tww

still faster than levelling

[brisk wind]

I did finish tww

[hollow quest]

Wait so this would work with a boosted character aswell and would be faster than leveling via quests/dungeons?

[shut crypt]

Hi guys, any idea how I can use the guidon exactly 1 second before my cooldowns? Thanks!

[lilac stag]

Press it. Count to 1.

[brisk wind]

Well i thought i did all of tww

apparently not cuz i'd have earthen unlocked no?

[fast dome]

you mean 80-90? yes it works

its like an hour of flying around following the path the addon says to

but ofc it only work for earthen. I had to level my DH the slow way 🙁

[hollow quest]

Ah ic interesting tho

[brisk wind]

is there a way to check which quests youve done up to for the achievement?

[dense beacon]

Is it true to say you never hit secret technique out of stealth?

[fast dome]

basically yes

use it during shadowdance only iirc

[jovial cipher]

we can hit secret technique on shadowdance without bonus cp ?

like on the end of shadowdance or we should avoid

[lilac stag]

Only time you do that is during blades without lust

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[sick dagger]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[fossil forge]

🫡

[tiny sable]

https://tenor.com/view/buddy-elf-big-one-gif-27174870

[fossil forge]

from a 100 to a 94

but its ded..

[umbral ocean]

Grats

[serene notch]

grats man

[rich spade]

Do we single target two target m+ bosses then switch to even out hp or aoe rotation?

[placid crown]

Hey guys, I wonder, when i'm under dance with these talents :

Do i use evis or BP against 2 targets ? and 3 targets ?

(during dance)

[hazy breach]

Inside dance and outside dance is the same, but yes with potent powder you bp on 2

[grim wasp]

why is the leather pant ilvl so low on ah

[placid crown]

ok so against the paladins, 100% of my finishers are BP (or coups)

[hollow quest]

And hopefully st

[rich spade]

Build with shadow finish with BP?

[hazy breach]

Huh?

[placid crown]

ah yeah for sure ^^

[grim wasp]

the myth boe pant

[placid crown]

i meant : 0% evis during the fight

[grim wasp]

nvm i had to click on it its the crest its 3/6 myth

now i can see the stats too

its 780k gold

what is easier buy gold on website or sell token on ah?

[plush roost]

Damn prettt cheap must be versa haste

Or versa crit

[grim wasp]

crit mastery

[plush roost]

I would not buy gold through rmt

Esp for a boe

[grim wasp]

why?

[zenith hollow]

Cus that's against tos and getting banned for a hero to myth would be dumb

[lucid jackal]

Don't talk about rmt in the server bro lmao

Those gold websites are sketchy, unreliable, and can very easily get your account perma banned

[fossil forge]

@warm marlin whats the bird tech

with the puzzy b

[placid crown]

And with the talent silencing Tempest, isnt it worth to cast at least one storm during dance, even if it is adviced to strike, versus 2 or 3 targets ?

[grim wasp]

what is rmt? I am checking the score on google reviews first

[warm marlin]

play the young puzzy, press some dances early and then pool from like 45s onwards, can send 1 sectec and 1 sectec/coup on first/second egg set respectively depending on how early you start pooling

burn video here

#subtlety message

[lucid jackal]

Rmt = real money trade

It's against the blizzard TOS to trade real money for in game items not through official channels of wowtokens

[grim wasp]

i see makes sense they can ban me for 2 weeks im going on vacation

[lilac stag]

How to get your account banned for 900 dps.

@grim wasp just craft pants.

[lucid jackal]

It won't be a 2 week ban

[grim wasp]

not the same feelings

[lucid jackal]

Do whatever u want Ig, but don't talk about how you are going to do it in server

[quaint breach]

do phys comp care if its ench or elemental?

[vale pine]

ban duration might depend on your account standing, but just don't rmt

[fossil forge]

prep max supercharger type beat?

[lilac stag]

Yes. It’s resto.

[grim wasp]

account is in good standing never did anything wrong so i guess lets see

[lilac stag]

Seriously stop discussing it here.

[warm marlin]

only need 5 but yes

[lilac stag]

You got warned already.

[vale pine]

as guy mentioned, don't talk about things against tos in a non educational manner

[fossil forge]

👍

[quick horizon]

Hey guys, do you know if that's possible to see how much combo points were used on finishers with logs ?
I'm reviewing a friend's log and i want to see if he casts his finishers at 6 or more

[vale pine]

so lets move to something diffrent discussion wise

they need to nerf dk more