subtlety

[narrow hemlock]

any updates on balance changes? don't see any new pins

[merry agate]

Friendship with Crit ended
Now Mastery is my best friend
Next week

[maiden oar]

one is on the way im sure

[sour horizon]

were all panicking that Fuu isnt awake

[abstract cosmos]

dont wanna try DS

i wanna be tricky

[brisk onyx]

chcek wowhead news

[narrow hemlock]

I did but im not a theory crafter to know what changes for the gameplay

[proper slate]

Is burst Window nerfed?

[final agate]

Cloud duration down to 6 secs on both initial and reup

[raw frost]

guys we have the 50 % crit damage on generators still d;

[abstract cosmos]

mostly gonna swap out of cloud cover blizz be like oh my bad gang let me revert it for you and now u got crit

[raw frost]

and 24 % dmg buff from fazed ;d

its just the duration

and dmg reduce

not a big deal

it will be stronger than the alternative

[hazy breach]

Upcoming Tuning

(click for notes)

TLDR: 3.5% buff, back to old talents, Mastery = Crit

• Cloud Cover is being nerfed quite a bit, but we are getting compensation buffs. These changes do roughly cancel each other out so its a pretty neutral change.
• No Scruples is getting buffed to 12% critical strike chance for finisher, this makes it overtake Cloud Cover and be the default pick again. This makes it so the talents we were running before the 12.0.5 patch are now back to being the ideal talents, with Premeditation, Warning Signs and Finality:
  ST https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272165842158616659/1500057787932344441/image.png?ex=69f70d2e&is=69f5bbae&hm=e29a3b429cae2efb00b3542eb5be78f38dcc70a45c83699e5a6a7703e528d4d2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=626&height=487
  CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgx2MAAAAAwsMGLTMbbjxMjZwDMzMzYMbjZGbbzMzMzMjBjZ2GAAAAGMGwY2MMwAziWoFbYGwMDmxA
  Aoe / M+ https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272165842158616659/1500060071751716966/image.png?ex=69f70f4e&is=69f5bdce&hm=ff4d304cebc8221937c8b7a6e8af8306dd41c2c6f4867216e6a721c289d3f4ab&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=642&height=488
  CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgx2MAAAAAwsMGLTMbbjxMjZMegZmZGjZbYGbbzMzMzMjBjZWGAAAAGMGwY2MMwAziWoFbYGwMDmxA
• Old talents also means that after the Haste breakpoint, its probably more worth to go Mastery than Critical Strike, or atleast have them fairly balanced. If you went full crit for cloud cover its probably time to swap back to Mastery Flask.
• These talents are now ~2.5% better than what we are currently running, so overall this is definitely a buff to Sub. Our 90 seconds burst window on Belo'ren goes down slightly (~6%) but everywhere else its positive.
• Deathstalker, with its 1.1k haste, seems to be ahead of Trickster in Singletarget now, similar to how it was before the .5 patch was introduced. If you have the haste for it its probably the play on pure ST bosses.

[abstract cosmos]

HOLY ITS ELEEM

hes alive

[alpine wraith]

as expected

[maiden oar]

ty raichu

[short radish]

thank you blessed eleem

[raw frost]

but , wait a moment 😄 I believe cloud cover is still better ?

[ornate lake]

I know the rogue devs will be reading this, so I just want to say that when all of this is over, you'll be answerable to God. God will ask you why you killed rogue and you'll have no answer.

[alpine wraith]

not for overall dps

[short radish]

can't wait to play exactly the same as before except taking premed again

[fallow ingot]

PPL QQ -> 2.5%buff back to old talent. Life is good

[sour horizon]

"Deathstalker (with its 1.1k haste) seems to be pretty much equal to Trickster now, which means you can run it if you truly want to."
GROSS

[alpine wraith]

wait until next tier there is not good 1.5 mijn trink and our tier is cheeks

[abstract cosmos]

LES GO DONT HAVE TO PLAY DA

DA

DA

DS

[alpine wraith]

my man got so hyped

[raw frost]

Can you elaborate then , apart from the lost of 8 sec duration , and damage reduce what else is diff ?

[alpine wraith]

no extra crit dmg on builders

and scruples got buffed

[raw frost]

its not stated anyway tho ;d

[maiden oar]

ok but theres an insane 3min cd trinket

[raw frost]

is it certain ?

[maiden oar]

so we win

[short radish]

have they given any indication on the non expansions m+ dungeons yet?

[maiden oar]

never give up

[merry agate]

Tier in particular is my biggest worry 🥺

[sour horizon]

prob some troll stuff

[short radish]

actually this would be okay no?

[maiden oar]

yea i love mysterious red liquid

[raw frost]

I mean regardless of cloud cover or not we have 50 % crit damage on generators

[hazy breach]

Well the duration nerf hits it really hard

[raw frost]

the cloud cover doesn;t amp it to 150 % so

its the same

[hazy breach]

It might still amp it, its a bit unclear

But it doesnt really matter much

[raw frost]

I believe evne without those changes cloud cover only gives 50 % crit damage on generators

[maiden oar]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/e/e1/Ability_rogue_crimsonvial.png/revision/latest?cb=20160419153739

[raw frost]

it doesnt boost it like 3x xD

[maiden oar]

yum yum

[raw frost]

not sure

[peak ice]

Where the people that were talking about coping at

[raw frost]

target is fazed that's it ;d even with 50 stacks , still counts as fazed

[hazy breach]

Either way changing it from ~22s uptime during blades to 12s is quite a difference

[raw frost]

nothing special about it

yes

xD

duration is shit

[hazy breach]

Again, we dont know if it still triples surprising

But it doesnt matter much

[raw frost]

well better for us i guess

[short radish]

@tribal blade wILL Sub be bettEr ThaN ASSAss nexT weEK fOr M+?

[raw frost]

it was shit when tank moves the boss or monsters

we will just have less burst but more overall

[proper slate]

No

[raw frost]

i mean the difference is not that big with assa xD

the outlaw will be big now ;d

[tribal blade]

dO wE pLaY sUb oR sIn nOw tHaT oUtLaW gOt ShOt

[raw frost]

pf ;D

[peak ice]

Premed back lads

Good day

[raw frost]

play what you like 😄 why you gonna be a meta slave

damn

[tribal blade]

NO

[raw frost]

I am sticking to sub regarldess of nerfing or buffing it

[tribal blade]

i can only play the spec that's 1.00047% ahead

[final agate]

Gotta chase the meter

[raw frost]

That's sad then

you are not playing for wolrd first or doing 20 + keys so

its irrelevant for you

[subtle creek]

What if he has fun chasing the meter?

[short radish]

that's what you think buddy

[tribal blade]

can't tell if you're memeing with us or being serious now

[short radish]

i think he's being serious

[gleaming crane]

@hazy breach for m+ old Talents too ?

[short radish]

and doesn't know we're memeing

[tribal blade]

hahaha

nice

[short radish]

and also doesn't know you're a filthy p*sher

[raw frost]

xD

[tribal blade]

WAS

past tense

[hazy breach]

Also fwiw rotten and/or PE are still within margin so you can run those if you want

[fallow ingot]

First dance and potent powder for M+ so ?

[tribal blade]

i'm only 3500 right now

[short radish]

yeah uhuhuh

[final agate]

Prophet is just filthy now.

[tribal blade]

swear

[hazy breach]

You dont play cloud cover in m+ either correct

[short radish]

still higher than me

[raw frost]

i think overall the most smooth gameplay has sub

[tribal blade]

i haven't done an IO key this week yet i think

[peak ice]

So it’s like fully fully back to before 12.05

[short radish]

anyone more io than me = sweaty p*sher
anyone lower io than me = absolute scrublord

[peak ice]

No reason to run cloud

[tribal blade]

lol true

[tall girder]

fim i can get u 3650 really easy

[rigid delta]

Spent 4 voidcores in Pit to get the crit/haste items waste

[short radish]

we got cucked by blizzard shutdown last night

[tribal blade]

damn sad

[lusty narwhal]

i for one was happy to recraft and socket all my gear to crit and hard commit on upgrading a heavy crit neck for one week

[tribal blade]

you know what i could do

[short radish]

2 mins short to kill 17 MT (timer was like 10 mins left but shutdown wasnt)

[fallow ingot]

recraft gear to crit mastery and my stats will be good again both are crit haste atm

[tribal blade]

some of my key buddies are doing 20/21s

[short radish]

how's the p*shing going

[abstract cosmos]

so for recrafting haste and mastery is the best bet to go ?

[tribal blade]

i could beg them to let me ride their resil

[tall girder]

i am 3700

[sturdy mortar]

Initially I read outlaws first and (no offense) the 6 second duration seemed OK since it mostly lined up with adr cd and it came up faster/ran prep... but seeing it drop to 12 for blades is some egregious shit. I might be biased though

[short radish]

noice

[tall girder]

would have more if i didnt go adelaide and didnt start playin d4

[tribal blade]

carry me too

[raw frost]

poe 2 coming ;d

[tribal blade]

wait actually i would have to be on OCE ping

nvm

[short radish]

my p*sh group more limited by time than anything

since we only do one night a week

maybe 2

[short radish]

bro aren't you in HK

[tribal blade]

ah yeah that's tough

[short radish]

you wouldnt even be on 200 ping

[tribal blade]

lol yes

[sour horizon]

my man rather go to hell then outside in Adelaide :*(

[short radish]

[fallow ingot]

What are we looking for rings tho ?

[tribal blade]

but thing is the ms in wow does weird things when it routes from HK>US>AUS

[peak ice]

I don’t get 200 ping connecting to America from NZ

[short radish]

oh yeah that's wack

[peak ice]

It’s like 70 max

[tribal blade]

it's usually stable now and playable

[short radish]

maybe some russians hitting undersea cables

[tribal blade]

but occasionally i'll have unplayable ping on oce

THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR TO ME

the entire of HK couldn't play wow

legit

i started a forum thread and every single HK player was posting on it

because a cable got cut

[sour horizon]

ima go to Tanunda this week for coffee and donut!

[tribal blade]

suspected sabotage or possible accident or something

[short radish]

👍

[tall girder]

fim didnt meet me at the malls balls

i was quite sad

[short radish]

gonna hit up the tanunda bakery?

[sour horizon]

No! Browns Barossa Donuts

[short radish]

omg

[sour horizon]

$$$ but so good

[short radish]

ive missed out on them

[tribal blade]

can you guys translate this aussie jargon

[short radish]

every time i want to go

[short radish]

our malls have balls

[tribal blade]

oh i see m8

[sour horizon]

theyre also shiny

[short radish]

bro give me like 1 day notice for lunch and i'll rock up

[tribal blade]

nobody can beat hong kong malls

all HK has is malls

and skyscrapers

[peak ice]

I just got forests n mountains n shit

[final agate]

Now I want a damn donut.

[long dirge]

Any knowers for next patch should I be happy or unhappy with the changes

[hazy breach]

Legs from pit are really good so not really a waste

[long dirge]

Can someone tell me how to feel

[peak ice]

Happy

[sour horizon]

https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/2b/4e/d0/df/caption.jpg?w=900&h=500&s=1

[short radish]

tl;dr

adelaide (city in australia) has a mall and one of it's icon are two balls stacked on top of each other which we call the "malls balls" because haha funny.

jontic came to adelaide i kinda dogged him by not meeting him at the malls balls (because i'm also WFH)

[long dirge]

Ok based

[alpine wraith]

overall buff cloud cover is just weaker now

[manic glen]

I really liked the cloud cover stat changes, because besides some mastery not needed by outlaw, you could jump between specs, now I have to decide where im going with what spec

[tribal blade]

holy those are literally malls balls

i see now

[rigid delta]

True, thank you for making me feel better

[short radish]

everytime ive gone to barossa/tanunda has always been on a sunday so they always closed

one day i will try them

[sour horizon]

they close sun mon and tues if I remember

[short radish]

yeah kinda funny

we also have pigs

but malls balls sounds funnier

so we meet there instead

we also have a weird pigeon thing

do not ask why

[sour horizon]

theres also the giant concrete thong around the corner thats always a good one for mericans

[final agate]

Random ass objects.

[short radish]

yeah but funny

[tribal blade]

POV of going up the escalator of a mall in HK

[meager canopy]

If I understand the changes correctly, we're going back to mastery crit in the next patch, so Wednesday is that right?

[final agate]

Just painful to look at.

[hazy breach]

Yep everything back to how it was before the .5 patch when they added cloud cover

Except we do more damage

[sinful zephyr]

is cloud cover still useful somewhere?

[tribal blade]

malls here go wild

[sour horizon]

like going into a kaleidoscope

[graceful portal]

so even without cloud cover and mastery stats we still do good damage ST ?

[short radish]

oh they have one of these in harajuku tokyo

[meager canopy]

Great, we're trying to optimize with crit so they'll tell us to switch to more mastery.

[oblique spade]

I take it I must recraft back to mast/haste now from crit/haste

[tribal blade]

SHEEESH

[hazy breach]

"must"

[final agate]

So is the 2/3 target cleave still gonna be ass?

[hazy breach]

Ofc

[oblique spade]

ok, should then

[hazy breach]

This is not attempting the change any of that

[sour horizon]

i mean, just ignore this week and we got a small buff

[oblique spade]

4 crafted pieces is a decent amount of mastery or crit whichever way it spins

[final agate]

Cloud cover was nice while it lasted.

[sour horizon]

was fun to have a effect on a ability

like a suped up MoP CM set haha

[jade oasis]

i feel bad for the uh dks that i get in my keys

[hazy breach]

Also fwiw cloud cover did massively bump the rng of the spec up, now thats back down again

[jade oasis]

theyre gonna be homeless

[oblique spade]

Hey, I'm not mad, just asking the question, but I know I should sim

[jade oasis]

they already do no dmg

[tribal blade]

i'm very excited about this

[small sleet]

bro im so excited to not have this bong cloud making swirlies impossible to see in windrunner spire

[jade oasis]

is premed back

[tribal blade]

honestly i'm happy about these changes

[thin sinew]

I know we don’t know much right now but what is the point of fazed stacking at all if the secondary effect amplitude is no longer effected what even is the point of the second stack?

[earnest prairie]

Would trickster or DS be better on beloren now considering they extended the egg phase by 10 secs?

[short radish]

same

[abstract cosmos]

is there any way we can sim before the patch ?

[hazy breach]

Standard deviation is 2.9 now again instead of 3.5

[short radish]

things are back to being comfy (and a bit poop since less burst)

but niches are overrated

[tribal blade]

kinda sucks we don't do big burst anymore but it's fine

[tribal blade]

yeah yeah

[short radish]

i just want to blast

and not backstab soup

[hazy breach]

You can literally just sim without cloud cover

And it will be fine since its mostly just an aura buff

[abstract cosmos]

rlly ?

[tribal blade]

ok so i may have spread misinformation to people that DS might be the play

[abstract cosmos]

its not

[mint folio]

I liked cloud

[tribal blade]

but if it's neutral to trickster then it's half misinformation

[tribal blade]

i honestly did not

it was what made me start running sin in keys

[abstract cosmos]

so can i just copy a build its just so ik what to swap out gear wise

[thin sinew]

What do you mean!!???!?!??
Surely you liked not seeing a single thing on the floor

[tribal blade]

holy it was so bad sometimes

like nexus point

jesus

[hazy breach]

Yes

[mint folio]

Was the only chance to eat some part of the cake

[sour horizon]

the orb farting void guys

[small sleet]

windrunner pull with the double archers

[abstract cosmos]

thank u

[hazy breach]

the big boys got nerfed and we got buffed, overall a pretty solid tuning pass for us

[sour horizon]

and premed back!

[thin sinew]

Blizzard “we improved mechanic clarity to mane them easier to see the edges and effect”
Also Blizzard “Ha but if you can’t see the floor at all!!!! Haha get fucked little rogues

[maiden oar]

i thought smoke bomb was really funny when my party could see it

kind of sad its gone

i loved being evil

[ashen ibex]

eleem

when you say ds is kinda equal you mean st i can guess

dungeons its deadge no?

[abstract cosmos]

my pvp friends was doing keys and they was like tf u smoke bombing for had to explain

[hazy breach]

Yeah should probably clarify that

[sour horizon]

dont make it a thing 🙁 pleasseeee

[hazy breach]

But yes for ST

[karmic harbor]

I hope if DS was ever better than trickster eleem wouldnt tell me

[ashen ibex]

ds dmg profile in dungeons would be insane

but ye its trash lol

[marble sail]

casual was getting his hopes up for DS in keys

😭

[sour horizon]

casual almost give me a heart attack by pumping DS

[ashen ibex]

guys

i wish i could play rogue

[thin sinew]

If DS become the go by a good margin i’d probably just go assa

[ashen ibex]

rogue betrayed me fr

[marble sail]

u betrayed rogues

[ashen ibex]

they betrayed me

i wish i could play that shit

[marble sail]

its a battle noone can win

[sour horizon]

thats coz we cant see shit in the cloud

[brisk onyx]

@hazy breach how much will the values ​​change if I stay in cloud build?

[hallow mortar]

im happy and mad at same time, i went really hard for this crit haste gear :D:D

[maiden oar]

good for outlaw sin

not a waste if u wanna play all 3

[hazy breach]

Neutral

[hallow mortar]

there is no way of simming this since its not up by reset day right

[hazy breach]

(it kinda depends on wether they fix surprising strikes or not, but its like +0.5% if they keep it and -0.5% if they dont)

[hazy breach]

Literally just spec No Scruples

and its fine

[fallow ingot]

Visual was bad so i dont mind tbh

[hallow mortar]

i see

i mean cloud was fun

but sometimes annoying

two more raids to enjoy it on allerie

[hazy breach]

Idm either way, but i like buffs

[hallow mortar]

buffs good

[short radish]

buffs good

qol buffs even better

[hallow mortar]

speacially when they nerf outliners

its double value

[thin sinew]

Reduced rng

[fallow ingot]

old build is QOL cause of premed + 2.5 buff its a W imo

[placid pivot]

outlaw worse than sub?

[pearl vector]

Mastery haste now after wensday

?

[sour horizon]

sub is purple, therefore better

[brisk onyx]

My friend was away on a business trip for two weeks and happy to get a 7% pure buff

[sullen hare]

For mental health?

[lilac stag]

It’s 2 weeks of fame is over

[spice escarp]

Man im too old for this

[lilac stag]

Next outlaw tier scheduled for 13.0.5

[pearl vector]

Roll 1 3 times break monitor

[sullen hare]

I'm guessing enough sub rogues paused their subscriptions

[placid pivot]

i need you guys to tell me what spec to play i dont know anything but being a meta slave

[lilac stag]

Assa

[upper narwhal]

nah roll jackpot into extend into roll jackpot into someone wipes the raid into break monitor

[pearl vector]

[upper narwhal]

this may be based on real events (minus broken monitor)

[sullen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/believe-meme-youll-never-know-unless-you-try-lawn-mower-gif-15688316

[pearl vector]

Sub is like easy af now

[sour horizon]

meta slave, on rogue?

[spice escarp]

Why is that thing flying

[lilac stag]

#subtlety message

[pearl vector]

Anyone know stat prio now?

[sullen hare]

Back to mastery on top

[fallow ingot]

HAste 700 > mastery > crit > vers

[hazy breach]

Haste to 700, then rest into crit/mastery

[placid pivot]

for keys or raid

[pearl vector]

Alright perfect

[sullen hare]

Why not both?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[sullen hare]

I already put a gif in my last response otherwise it would've been the old El Paso Girl

[thin sinew]

Yes

[placid pivot]

istg last time i simed myself it said crit heavy

and i had 880 mastery

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/both-taco-mexican-old-el-paso-gif-7385685

[sullen hare]

English?????

[quasi cypress]

Fazed still stacking 2 additional times for sub right? Doesn’t feel like a nerf

[steep raven]

Well I changed out of Cloud Cover and sim doesn't want to change anything. Not even flask change (~1030 crit and ~650 mastery baseline)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jUps6iH9cTaoEjWJYHQasy

[sullen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[steep raven]

Am I doing something wrong?

[drifting ether]

You still got rotten, pe and no premed

[lilac stag]

If you think I can see the text on a gif in the mobile search you’re quite mistaken. We playing rtb every time we click one

[sullen hare]

I can respect that

[steep raven]

Scroll down, every talent change is in the sim

It's -dps for any talent change

[hazy breach]

Well youre not supposed to remove veiltouched for premed

Youre supposed to remove ephemeral bond

[steep raven]

Oh, yeah, forgot that one

I'll resim

[sullen hare]

Slamming sims 45 minutes after the pin was posted seems wild to me

[hazy breach]

But yes theres very small differences

[hallow mortar]

whats wild about that

[lilac stag]

Why am I expecting fuu to wake-up with an um actually DS is 4% ahead post patch.

[steep raven]

This is what im simming

[brisk onyx]

pls no

[steep raven]

It doesn't matter how DS sims, no one is gonna play it anyways

[hallow mortar]

true

[raw frost]

its shit 😄

[bright folio]

i dont have to backstab to 7cp no more

[lilac stag]

We’re boss dmg bitches now. If it’s that far ahead folks will.

[steep raven]

@hazy breach yeah, I guess I meesed up my talent swap, but still wants rotten
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r2AixjKqK4XDE2sUPYKemn

[steep raven]

We were always boss dmg bitches

[hazy breach]

Ye rotten is still fine

[hallow mortar]

eleem gatekeeping rotten icant

[sullen hare]

It's 4am in Texas. I know some theory crafters are in the EU where it's morning time but expecting apl and talent changes in hours on the weekend in response to a Friday evening patch note for precision simming seems kinda unreasonable to me. I could have the whole thing wrong mind you. I shoulda been asleep like two hours ago

[hazy breach]

But obviously if you get more mastery its gonna show up as the same/worse than finality

[hallow mortar]

there is not apl change

[lilac stag]

We had a few good weeks being able to hit adds.

[steep raven]

There won't be one

[hazy breach]

And youll also get +2% crit on eviscerate, which bumps finality slightly

[manic glen]

just 500 more haste for DS to go! let the recrafts begin

[hazy breach]

But yes rotten is still fine to run if you want to

[hallow mortar]

more finality more pad

[hazy breach]

But im just gonna recommend finality as its better if its not pure singletarget

[lilac stag]

Rip PE

[steep raven]

Depended on Devourer mood

[thin sinew]

Smh my guilds devourer.

Might as well minus 10-15% of all boss HP ahh perfection

[hallow mortar]

i mean if you are like not very good devourer that nerf wont make sense to you

since you really need to know how to play around meta timings in raid

[thin sinew]

Yeh like the outlier dps in mythic was 291k dps like wtf is that

Next highest was 240k

Outliers i know but still

[hallow mortar]

i pulled this from vault this week, not so happy about it now

[sour horizon]

got a fotm roller Dev in guild who just barely beats me on sub, haha gonna be great

[steep raven]

What's interesting sim doesn't want to swap any crit into mastery anymore

[lilac stag]

I see outlaw holding out on the blizzard forgets to adjust crit dmg stacking copium

[steep raven]

It seems on ST Crit=Mastery

[thin sinew]

You changed the talents?

[steep raven]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

That’s where it was in 12.0

[raw frost]

this is with that falsk tho ;d

[steep raven]

Yeah and it equals it

The flask

Literally 1 to 1. And there's a recraft with +50 mastery -50 crit

And it didn't took it

[keen dome]

Very funny cycle of buffing and nerfing

[raw frost]

at the end of the day

[thin sinew]

Really glad i didn’t recraft stuff.
Mainly did it for m+ reasons but eh

[raw frost]

is the rotten better on ST than finality ?

[thin sinew]

It paid off on saladbar

[steep raven]

Crit is giga nice on Saladbar

[thin sinew]

Well i stayed mostly mastery and got r23

[whole lichen]

are we able to sim newest changes? want to know If I can cope with crit flask for both outlule/sub

[hazy breach]

Theyre the same

[raw frost]

i belive the rotten is stronger if you play without premed ? right

[steep raven]

Your dmg profile prob swings a bit more toward add dmg

[hazy breach]

Well you should probably always play premed now

[raw frost]

then it's settled ;d

[thin sinew]

Oh absolutely!

Was mine and a furys only job really xD

‘Melee blender’

[drifting ether]

I feel better about being stuck with the pit neck now 😂

[hallow mortar]

i have that one too

[dreamy wedge]

Mr @hazy breach the first dance is intentionally out of the m+ build you posted in the pin?

[lilac stag]

When are they going to fix premed!?!?!

[steep raven]

When they remove it

[drifting ether]

Now that’s a double rip

[hazy breach]

You can play first dance if you want to instead of veiltouched

Theyre about the same

[dreamy wedge]

Thanks

[thin sinew]

Assuming you can get it to proc

[lilac stag]

I enjoyed having more healing.

[dreamy wedge]

Can't you? I remember Fuu saying it's even worth to wait out of combat for a little for it

[lilac stag]

You can proc TFD yes

Unless you have a terrorist chain pulling one mob

[manic glen]

Most tanks are exactly that

[thin sinew]

So pugs xD

[dreamy wedge]

I have vanish 🤷‍♂️

[tribal blade]

i just stopped running it in keys for better mental

[manic glen]

won't let the one ad die, just taking him for a 40 minute journey

[lilac stag]

Assa gets TFD as an option? TIL

[dreamy wedge]

It's just there is always the one crazy pull at the start, don't you really want TFD for it?

[tribal blade]

LOL fair

[thin sinew]

Oh don’t when everyone leave one alive at 5% hp and turning dance is just a loss and they go for a marathon

[placid pivot]

@hazy breach cmon tell me what the best rogue spec is rn to roll

[tribal blade]

nah i still run sub in keys below like ~16

[drifting ether]

Non tfd is better, that shit is troll in pugs

[placid pivot]

dont play with me

[hazy breach]

Whatever you find the most fun

[manic glen]

so none

[hazy breach]

(aka not outlaw )

[placid pivot]

i dont like that answer i need like a very sweaty meta answer

[tribal blade]

THIS

[sour horizon]

Brewmaster

[tribal blade]

sweaty meta answer is reroll off rogue

[thin sinew]

1100haste deathstalker sub 🙂

[placid pivot]

cmon guys can you this tbh me

[sour horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/sailormoon-sailor-moon-anime-manga-gif-5833442

[tribal blade]

play dev

or udk

or aug

[placid pivot]

thats too meta for me

[tribal blade]

or brew

or rdruid/rsham

[vale pine]

good morning, i see balance changes

🤣

bye bye cloud cover

[manic glen]

uh oh

[latent remnant]

gm fuu

[lilac stag]

Where’s our favorite bigusguppy. Just missed his 130k outlaw sim.

[sour horizon]

ITS FUU!

were saved

[tribal blade]

thank god

[hallow mortar]

you are clocking in late fuu

[keen dome]

they're so confusing

[light finch]

but muh damage, and yellow bar only 15 of 36.

[earnest prairie]

Would you even consider playing DS on the last 2 bosses for pure boss damage with these buffs/changes?

[vale pine]

think they make sense

[upper narwhal]

I wonder if cloud cover is technically still better for beloren if the burst is still that much higher

[manic glen]

Just rip the bandaid off and say DS is 10% better

[keen dome]

but also lol Cloud cover April 2026 -> May 2026. 🫡

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin checking on you. making sure Menty is ok.

[hazy breach]

If you want to go ahead, sims about the same as trickster

[vale pine]

it is a direct nerf to our burst and reduction in m+ strength

[tribal blade]

i suspect we become slightly better in keys now

[hallow mortar]

rotten is like 0.4% ahead of finality for me now

[manic glen]

there's a but right?....

[hallow mortar]

with recrafts

[tribal blade]

but not enough to mean anything

[dreamy wedge]

Sir just say on the pins everything is fine, for my health. I don't need reality.

[vale pine]

we probably get slightly better ye

because sustained aoe is up

but burst is down

so idk

[tribal blade]

it's very small diff though

[vale pine]

also less damage reduction on targets

[peak ice]

Sorry what’s a reduction in m+ strength

[light finch]

my problem is that cloud cover gave rogue a nice burst window that was pruned out of the specc with midnight, better to have not so much overall but a nice niche to handle some things on a boss.

[dreamy wedge]

I tought seeing what I am walking on is an advantge? must be my own misconception

[runic bough]

But other specs also got nerfed so it will bring us up a bit more I feel

[vale pine]

i just made a joke, because the nerf targets burst damage

and subtlety isn't the best burst class in the game

[peak ice]

Ah

[vale pine]

while its damage is tuned as if it is

[spice escarp]

Dont make that mistake again

[vale pine]

e.g. we have absolutely abyssal low target cleave damage

[hallow mortar]

just gotta resolve this rotten no rotten situation 😄

[vale pine]

so you would assume our burst, st and aoe is high to compensate for it

[sullen hare]

Hope you had a good fuustück

[vale pine]

neither of these is outstanding

[tribal blade]

not in a significant way, also those specs that are dominating are doing so not solely because of their dmg

[solemn wadi]

So the balance changes are resulting in almost neutral dmg increase?

[hazy breach]

What

[peak ice]

I’m still a bit salty that warlock got no nerfs

[steep raven]

ST=Rotten, Aoe=Finality

[vale pine]

we are back to play without rotten

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-leg-day-sexy-legs-legs-workout-gif-9529398

Subs Cleave Dmg

[steep raven]

Very simple

[vale pine]

without cloud cover at least

[hazy breach]

You can play rotten if you want, just like before cloud cover

[tribal blade]

we go back to same talents as before .5

[hallow mortar]

rotten is like 0.4% ahead for me

[fast flax]

Are we getting buff or nerfed?

[sullen hare]

Then play it!

[runic bough]

Yeah fair enough but I take any win we can get I am not swapping of sub anyway

[fast flax]

Wtf is going on

[dreamy wedge]

Nuffed.

[tribal blade]

TRUE we take wins

[thin sinew]

[peak ice]

I’m pretty alright with this patch tbh

[tribal blade]

if only there were a magical button that gave you all the information you needed

[fast flax]

Oh so 2.5% more

[sullen hare]

You get a pins because I'm feeling a lil spicy jello

[whole lichen]

are these changes up on raidbots?

[hallow mortar]

chatbot?

[tribal blade]

get owned

[hazy breach]

No, as they are not live yet. But you can just swap to No Scruples and its gonna be pretty much on point

besides you know, the aura buff

[manic glen]

rip the bandaid

[peak ice]

I’d rather not

[thin sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-chicken-klutzy-gif-11878231964866150720

[exotic steeple]

How do i check pins on mobile

!pins

[trail rover]

4 bonusrolls & 2 vaults of crit gear FeelsPrettyBadMan

[peak ice]

Click the name at the top

[hazy breach]

Its fine

[thin sinew]

Tap the channel name at the top
Then pick pins

[hazy breach]

You want to coin pit anyway for pants most likely

Unless youre buying BoEs

[exotic steeple]

Ty

[trail rover]

Yeah pants are one of the 3 items i havent gotten from pit LUL

[spice escarp]

Speaking of boes, they were always able to be 282?

[dreamy wedge]

285

[hazy breach]

Ye but you have a high chance of getting them

So its

[sullen hare]

As in myth track?

[tribal blade]

i'm so happy i doubled down on getting the nexus ring set

[sullen hare]

Myth boes become available after a while

[peak ice]

I’m just happy I only rolled in skyreach

[spice escarp]

myth track boe 282 yea

4/6 is a nice crest save

[sullen hare]

Initially they're bop in mythic

Ohhh yeah idk why 4/6

[tribal blade]

i don't even need to swap out any gear tbh, my current setup is perfect just swapping to mast flask

[peak ice]

Think I need to swap my gems back

[hallow mortar]

just moving some crit to mastery

but it dont want you to all in

[sullen hare]

I think my rogue is at like a 40/60 split

Favoring mastery

[muted agate]

cloud cover xdd

[spice escarp]

wait do i actually go negative vers with recklessness

[fallow nimbus]

I didn't bonusroll any dungeon yet only mythic 1. Boss and i got 2 helmets, atleast 1 with socket

[hazy breach]

Nah its just 0

[hallow mortar]

im rolling first boss too still yet to see guiidon drop

[celest root]

Deathstalker (with its 1.1k haste) seems to be pretty much equal to :Trickster: Trickster in Singletarget now, which means you can run it if you truly want to.

[sullen hare]

You would sentence a man to 50 years hard labor (playing deathstalker for minutes)???

[vale pine]

ngl, a lot of the buffs/nerfs read like they are placebo

[manic glen]

How can I recraft all my gear to haste alone...

[vale pine]

curios to see if thats how it turns out

[red flame]

After checking pins, does this mean we have to swap stats back, again ?

When we just swapped stats like

2 weeks ago

[abstract cosmos]

LOL

[red flame]

Clearly somebody didn’t read the first 3 words of my sentence

After checking pins

[short radish]

clearly you didn't check them hard enough

[tardy solar]

Old talents also means that after the Haste breakpoint, its probably more worth to go Mastery than Critical Strike, or atleast have them fairly balanced. If you went full crit for cloud cover its probably time to swap back to Mastery Flask.

i got it from the pin for you for extra reading after class

[red flame]

Where does it mention stats

It mentions dmg buff + reverting talents

[tardy solar]

thats not the whole pin

[short radish]

aint no way

[tardy solar]

mobile doesnt show the full pin

[vale pine]

yes

[tardy solar]

got to go to the chat for it

[red flame]

Ty

[vale pine]

we likely return to a better spread between mastery an crit

cc was why we stacked crit this high

the nerf specifically mentions the removal of secondary stacking buffs/debuffs

[hazy breach]

But idk, is Hoodwink and Surprising Strikes secondary?

To me it reads like only the damage reduction is removed, but who knows

Either way doesnt really matter much for sub

[peak ice]

I think they just used that one as an example

[vale pine]

Its not 100% clear, agree there

[peak ice]

But seems odd they’d not mention the damage ones being secondary or not

[vale pine]

but for me, any non direct effect is secondary

so the dr and crit buff

[sharp lake]

Cloud Cover was fun while it lasted ☹️

[red flame]

Cool ty Fuu 🖤

At least I got 2 weeks of my rings not being shit

[tribal blade]

it is very strange they only mentioned the dmg reduction

[peak ice]

I’m kinda confused why they changed it like twice in 2 weeks seems real weird

[tribal blade]

but still reads like they removed ALL the interactions

[final charm]

statwise we back to matery or still stack crit?

[vale pine]

+1 this

[red flame]

Mastery

[vale pine]

technically

[tribal blade]

they did a move to make cloud not a useless talent but a bug made it way too OP

esp for outlaw

[vale pine]

if we want to 🤓 about it

[tribal blade]

so they tuned it, it's still the play for outlaw to run trickster btw because of cloud cover

[red flame]

Yes

Always

[surreal storm]

bruh cant we have a popup message forcing you to accept "i've read the pin before posting" everytime someone try to type someshit in this channel

[vale pine]

this could be seen as a secondary effect

technically

[surreal storm]

So we can clear it of ppl spamming the same question all day

[vale pine]

i don't think thats the case tho

[peak ice]

Would be real dumb if they like

[tribal blade]

surely not or else cloud just seems very very mediocre

[peak ice]

Made a talent basically delete all talents before it

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-no-nope-not-doing-it-never-gif-16758419287806165606

[hazy lichen]

So no swapping to ds?

[final charm]

I’m blind, but I can’t see any info about stats in pins xD it was first thing i checked

[peak ice]

Click the pin post

[red flame]

DS has never been the play xd

[hazy lichen]

I did

[hazy lichen]

But there were people in here saying earlier that we were gonna swap to ds

[vale pine]

well its the diffrence between 15% or 24% damage buff

[red flame]

Same, apparently you have to actually click it

Mobile doesn’t show the whole pin ig

[vale pine]

haha

[tribal blade]

yeah that's big

[vale pine]

i also love how these tuning changes always come at like 3 AM my time

[final charm]

oh, ok my bad, I’m from mobile

[vale pine]

🤣

[red flame]

Oh ScAth proved it wrong

Um

Idk then

[tribal blade]

@short radish what about stats though

[red flame]

It didn’t show for me

@sour horizon

[sour horizon]

Interesting, lets see Fim;s stats

[tardy solar]

not sure how you got your mobile to do that, mine still does this

[peak ice]

Have we asked the forums their opinion on this

Fuckn click it

[balmy gate]

Soo we gettin nerfed? Crazy this Game is so lame

[red flame]

Clearly if you look at scAth’s screenshot he didn’t click it

[lilac stag]

They happen while I’m teaching my evening classes. On the drive home I can dream about it not going from priest to shaman.

[red flame]

Ik words are hard

[tardy solar]

(its ok though, I already knew what to do)

[red flame]

Key words “Jump To Message”

[short radish]

idk it's not that deep bro, just click on the pins and look at the full message

[hazy lichen]

I can’t check the talents on mobile so we still running cloud in keys or scruples

[short radish]

[peak ice]

I clicked it

[red flame]

Idk why yall are still trying to answer me like I’m asking lmao

[red flame]

I got the answer like 5mins ago

[tribal blade]

Hello! I've seen you're having difficulty accessing the <pinned messages>, is there anything i can do to help?

[lilac stag]

Why am I giving discord lessons at 5 am

[manic glen]

here

[red flame]

Bc you’re our hero

Duh

[hazy lichen]

Deserved lol

[peak ice]

What stats u running?

[opal basalt]

Happy i got to kill one prog boss with cloud cover, fun while it lasted

[lilac stag]

most of you not escaping the “dad with 3 kids” label.

[tardy solar]

I seeee, that function wasnt like that last time i checked a pin on mobile, it still had the jump to message

[short radish]

i want sub to go back to being the unpopular spec

[sour horizon]

I left my kids to check the pins

[manic glen]

Bricked a key with the initial cloud cover because teammates couldn't see floor, they fixed that, bricked another key after the change where only I could see the cloud, because I couldn't see the floor.

You will be missed cloud cover

[red flame]

Yea real af

[surreal storm]

The remaining few are zoomers who cant read all 3 lines of text of the pinned message without losing focus

[red flame]

I want all the casual andies to go crawling back to Sin

& leave Sub for the big dawgs

[lilac stag]

We’re not even close to popular. I haven’t had any death threats in DMs

[sour horizon]

cant figuire out how to DM youll have to teach them xD

[peak ice]

Rogue sitting at like 3% population atm

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-bear-sydney-adamu-syd-ayo-edebiri-tv-show-gif-10625586252138814928

[red flame]

Everybody misunderstanding what bro meant:

[hazy lichen]

I see more sub rogues this season than last season and it’s performing worse this season

[tribal blade]

what even is rogue population right now

haven't looked for midnight

[hazy lichen]

Maybe cause it got washed down

[sour horizon]

still bottom I think

[red flame]

Very low still

[tribal blade]

amazing

[lilac stag]

you see more sub rogues since it was better in raid, and easier to play

[hallow mortar]

outlaw not so happy

[tribal blade]

i did see that yeah

[red flame]

But Sub is still the most popular rogue spec atm

[tepid trellis]

lil boe drop before lura

[manic glen]

You only see more rogues because we aren't allowed in premades, we're all scraping the barrels in pugs together.

[tribal blade]

sub rogue playerbase is actually way bigger than pre midnight

[red flame]

Which hopefully all the casuals go back to Sin & leave Sub alone

[vale pine]

to be fair my assumption currently based on wording is (chances to be nerfed):

• 100% Damage reduction (as it was specifically mentioned)
• 70% extra critical strike damage
• 3% Extra fazed damage
  However, one thing that is different in the patch notes is:
  The fazed stacks seem to be 2 ONLY for outlaw in the notes, but i assume its for both.

[peak ice]

3.3%

[short radish]

we've become reverse assass

[tribal blade]

WITH THE SOCKET HUGE

[red flame]

Unfortunate but true

[lilac stag]

Mage reroll?

[tribal blade]

LOL true

[vale pine]

what i mean is:

[tribal blade]

i think socket adds +1 mil to the AH price of that

[hazy breach]

Pretty sure the 2 stack is purposefully only in outlaw because iot only applies to outlaw

The other changes are repeated in both of them

[hazy lichen]

Blizzard using ai to write their blue posts now too? Gg

[tribal blade]

i think because of the descrepency between uptime on cloud for outlaw and sub

[vale pine]

exactly, thats what i am not sure about

[lilac stag]

@vale pine you know what happens with assumptions. smh my head.

[sour horizon]

well DH was listed as Havok the other day haha

[hazy lichen]

It’s begun

[vale pine]

the trickster changes ended up on assassiantion in the last patch notes

[spice escarp]

recrafts seem to be fairly minor

[vale pine]

i think it makes sense to only have the 2 stacks on outlaw who

[tribal blade]

yup swapping stats in general quite low impact

[vale pine]

for what its worth

[hazy breach]

Either way it doesnt really matter much, no scruples seems better either way

[lilac stag]

NA will beta test Tuesday. If EU is lucky they get the release candidate to test.

[hazy breach]

Duration nerf hits too hard

[tribal blade]

btw i'm not a math person, 2% to scruples sounds tiny but i assume it's not

[hazy breach]

Only way cloud cover might still be solid is if the 3 stacks of fazed now last their entire duration always

[tribal blade]

what does it actually math out to

[hazy breach]

So its 18 seconds

Instead of 12+until you proc another unseen blade

[lilac stag]

I would have thought 8 sec to cloud made more sense unless purposefully trying to get outlaw under 30 seconds straight

[hazy lichen]

@hazy breach was it also a m+ buff or just purely st

[hazy breach]

But even if thats the case AND we get to keep the crit interaction its still probably No Scruples

[echo tiger]

finally sub is getting buffed lets go

[hazy breach]

Same for both

[vale pine]

it is a change

we essentially a buff to overall damage

[lilac stag]

Should have tuned duration for each spec

[vale pine]

but a nerf to burst

the buff is fairly small tho

[hazy lichen]

Ah ok

[vale pine]

so won't see a noticable change in game

[hollow raptor]

all i needed was pre med back

no more 7 backstab opener

[vale pine]

just back to old talents

[hollow raptor]

thank god

[red flame]

Coulda ran premed either way

[lilac stag]

you went 7 backstabbing.

[hazy lichen]

So now we’re back where we started

[vale pine]

XD

[tribal blade]

back where we started except doing way more dmg

[vale pine]

yes, but we got the buff we recived due to cloud cover

[echo tiger]

i went 12 backstebbing man it was horrible

[vale pine]

basically baseline

so burst down again, overall stays up

[hazy lichen]

I really wasn’t liking playing around the smoke bomb

[hollow raptor]

sometime 15 backstabbing

[echo tiger]

i evern took no healing increase for premed sometimes

[red flame]

It wasn’t anything to play around tho —

You just

Use cd’s & blast

[jovial cipher]

s better to play sub then assa in next patch comes with ups/nerfs? ?

[vale pine]

also means, our ranking on wcl is MAINLY impacted by other classes reciving nerfs

[peak ice]

I know I’m gonna get check the pins for this, but there’s no haste changes ae? Still 700+ guidon

[hazy lichen]

Well u had to sit in it

[lilac stag]

What were you playing around?

[hollow raptor]

you pressed blades and walked out of it and it still lasted the same duration

[red flame]

No you dont ..?

Lol

[vale pine]

haste breakpoints stay the same

[tribal blade]

same same

[hazy lichen]

Oh u didn’t?

[red flame]

Fr 😭

[peak ice]

Cheers

[vale pine]

the main diffrence will be to use more mastery gaian

*again

[red flame]

Nope

[vale pine]

because the sim currently went very heavy into critical strike

[red flame]

Tooltip even says this

[peak ice]

I swear it was 650 before 12.05

[hazy lichen]

Thought it lasted 10 seconds while in it and the extra 10

[peak ice]

But I might be senile

[twin surge]

wont cloud cover be still better with bosses having amp phase like saladbar?

[lilac stag]

many people having come to jesus moments in here today.

[tribal blade]

could be yeah

[red flame]

Honestly

[vale pine]

650-700 is the lower limit, tho 650 is a bit low and will likely not make it reliable enough for you

[echo tiger]

it was 650 to 700 the whole time

[hazy breach]

Not really no

[lean sigil]

buffs for sub LOOKS bigger than TLDR 2.5%, is it because old talents are behind cloud?

[vale pine]

you probably want around 680 at minimum, more likely 690+ to have a reliable result

700 is ideal

[tribal blade]

we are losing the cracked burst from cloud cover that was +6%

[hazy breach]

The duration nerf hurts it bad, as you wont have it up for your second sectech, and it wont be up for most of your second dance either

~22s > ~13s is quite the nerf

[fringe palm]

just take cloud cover anyway and its an 8% buff

[lean sigil]

well ill take a buff tho

[lilac stag]

715 if clicking pins too difficult (715 如果点击别针太困难)

[twin surge]

makes sense

[lean sigil]

think its abit small tbh

[vale pine]

its a duration nerf and a potential nerf to damage amps during it

[vale pine]

haha, might as well go all the way to 800

[hazy breach]

But in theory yes if you need to burst something really hard for like 10 seconds then cloud cover is probably better

[red flame]

@vale pine what rings do you see as BIS now w new changes, assuming just old BIS ones (before CC) ?

[lilac stag]

We save that for box

[hazy breach]

No such scenario exists this season though

[peak ice]

Cmon back to PSB

[hazy lichen]

So with cloud cover would t popping it and staying in it make the effect last longer than running out of it instantly

[vale pine]

old bis is probably correct

[red flame]

Dope, tyty

[lilac stag]

just get the nexus rings.

[red flame]

You can just run back in it before cloud expires

[lilac stag]

They’re fun free dmg

[red flame]

You get the entire uptime

[lilac stag]

You didn’t need to run back in

[red flame]

Or that yea

[hazy lichen]

Why not

[lilac stag]

it auto procs

[hazy breach]

It auto refreshes even if you dont

[hazy lichen]

So if I use blades run out of smokebomb it still lasts thr 20 seconds

[red flame]

Is it still roughly like a backstab on myth track or do they gain more value at myth track ?

[south robin]

Bug from latest update

[hazy lichen]

Damn how didn’t I know that

[somber sun]

prio mastery for ST too ?

[red flame]

Assume more value bc it seemed to be sim bait before but I feel like I see ppl suggest them a lot on myth

[lilac stag]

Hero track they’re .7% of my dmg. I’ll take it

[tribal blade]

yeah they're roughly 0.5-0.6%

of free dmg

[red flame]

So almost supercharging, got it

Prob worth

[lilac stag]

The stats are good

[tribal blade]

it's more than instant poison

[lilac stag]

Just adjust around them

[tribal blade]

no wait not sure

[red flame]

True, rn I have Occlusion + Wedding Ring

[lilac stag]

They are

[red flame]

So ig I only need to farm Omission

[tribal blade]

yeah if you build your stats around the rings, it's free dmg that's very good

[red flame]

That’s good at least

[red flame]

Word, ima try to do that then

[sacred gull]

Still crit main stat in ST ?

[tribal blade]

i think it's def worth it 😉

[errant pagoda]

i stay here, outlaw channel is on fire

[hazy lichen]

Is the wowhead bis list consistently updated after every change

[tribal blade]

they kinda have a right to be dooming

[errant pagoda]

true

[red flame]

LMAO I peeked for 3secs & ur not lying 😭

[tribal blade]

but i think they still end up doing better dmg than before the .5 patch right?

so it's not like they went completely backwards

[sour horizon]

haha silly pirates

[red flame]

Saw the gordon ramsay meme & that spoke volumes

[red flame]

Silly pirates, smoke bombs are for ninjas

[lilac stag]

Midnight S1 is an Outlaw tier!
(for 2 weeks)

[tribal blade]

they were so close

the lemonade hit the tips of their tongues

[lilac stag]

Icarus

[red flame]

It seems Fuu is generally fast af with it yea

Prob not updated yet since the notes dropped like 2hrs ago or less

But old BIS rings should be BIS again after change

[tribal blade]

the sun is hot

[lilac stag]

We also don’t have a real bis list. Legit sooo many combinations are all within variance

[red flame]

Also this

The only things that really matter for “bis” imo is jewelry & trinkets

[hazy lichen]

Socket sims so high kinda insane

[red flame]

& ig which tier slot you dont want tier in

That’s abt it imo

Rest is basically simming & adjustment based on what you have

But the jewelry & trinkets are the important ones

[hazy lichen]

Bifurcation and Algerthar were old bis right

Algethar

[peak ice]

Yea

[desert whale]

Picked Sub rogue, shadow priest and DK this seasson, damn dk feels much stronger than both of those.

[peak ice]

With the pit pants

[tribal blade]

good news they got slightly nerfed

[hazy lichen]

Would alleria pants be good too if can get in mythic

[hollow spear]

I'm getting a micro aneurysm every time I read bis list

[lilac stag]

!bis

!bis

[tribal blade]

i have 289 vers/mast pants on and i'm doing fine

it's not a huge deal

[lilac stag]

look at you Mr fancy pants

[tribal blade]

LOL good one

[hollow spear]

I'm 33, will I die of natural causes before people stop asking about bis lists?

[hazy lichen]

The ones from seat?

[tribal blade]

yeah had a shitty vault early on

was kinda pissed, now i don't really care

[desert whale]

Yup dk got nerfed, but still sub is more fun for me.

[tribal blade]

i don't think having vers on 1 piece of gear is gonna break my dps

[hazy lichen]

Same man

[lilac stag]

Vers is fine

[hazy lichen]

Haven’t gotten anything actually good

Had to take socket first week lol

[lilac stag]

You have it on 2

[peak ice]

Oofh

[red flame]

Yea Bifurcation + PSB
or NPX set

[peak ice]

2 is too much

[tribal blade]

oh yikes did you have 3 M+ myth options

because if you did

[red flame]

Thankfully I just need Omission for NPX set

[tribal blade]

very likely just take a myth track item even if it's shit

[lilac stag]

or did you replace daggie @tribal blade

[hollow spear]

1 vers item = bench
2 vers items = delete character angle

[tribal blade]

nah i didn't

[strong shoal]

changes aren't live yet, are they?

[tribal blade]

only have the vor dagger 😉

[red flame]

No

[tribal blade]

on reset

[lilac stag]

so 2x vers gamer

[strong shoal]

i assumed so

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[lilac stag]

✅

[tribal blade]

that dagger is small vers though

so nbd

[peak ice]

Big fan of the skyreach dagger

[red flame]

LMFAO

I think I have 1 piece but it’s the haste/vers neck from idr which dungeon

[tribal blade]

oh no i have 3% vers instead of like 1-2% 🙂

[red flame]

Which is a lot of vers fwiw

[red flame]

Mine might be 5% idk

[tribal blade]

i think that's still fine

[hazy lichen]

Does the helm count

[red flame]

I’ll have to check in a few mins when I hop on

[tribal blade]

it's not like vers does nothing

[hollow spear]

Yes, helmet counts specifically

[red flame]

Oh I forgot abt tier

I’m cooked then

2pcs

[placid pivot]

What about vora dagger

[hollow spear]

Oof, better delete mate

[peak ice]

The tier pants have vers too right

[hazy lichen]

Yes I have the dagger and helm should I delete

[red flame]

Does vora dagger have vers?

[peak ice]

Yes

[red flame]

I don’t have it so idk

[hollow spear]

I took it from vault

[red flame]

I got lucky w Pit dagger

[hollow spear]

I'm immune to vers being bad though

[red flame]

Few weeks ago

[placid pivot]

Honestly looking like a reroll warrior angle

There’s no way rogue recovers from this

[dry flame]

Or game reroll

[red flame]

Are we gonna be going back to Acuity + Arcane Mastery or still double Acuity?

Ik it was Acuity + AM before CC & then wowhead said ideally double Acuity but Acuity + AM was still fine

[dry flame]

POE2 has some new announcements next week

[hazy lichen]

If I have 285 crafted belt and get a myth belt from vault do I only have to spend 20 myth crests to max it

[placid pivot]

Yes

[hazy lichen]

Do you lose crests off crafting still tho

Rather than upgrades from 2/6

You lose 20 right

[peak ice]

i mean u technically lose 80 right

cause the belt you crafted costs 80

[lyric patrol]

Yay no more shitty backstabbing to build up cp

[hazy breach]

Still does not matter

Either is fine

[abstract cosmos]

Watch tafter all this change and we swap back to smoke again

[exotic steeple]

me like the old build

[short radish]

a feet sniffer would say that.

[exotic steeple]

can i sniff urs

[short radish]

yeah

[exotic steeple]

am i world first ?

[wild vine]

nah fimbul definitely got sniffer before

[sweet moss]

so back to premed lads

[short radish]

but im postmed

[exotic steeple]

hi

[peak ice]

Do I need to change much here. this is before flasks/oils

[hazy lichen]

So crafting wastes 20 myth crests technically

[fallow ingot]

nop

[peak ice]

Sick