subtlety

[dusky yacht]

But that one has to be omission and 100% I get myth occlusion first which I already have

[swift tinsel]

we're finishing hc lura then its back to mythic for the rest of the season

will probs kill tonight

kinda bouncing around between raids and hc/mythic

not a big fan

[grim wasp]

gonna do some hc then benched after going to a party

[fallow nimbus]

When all m+ upgrades left are rings and 1 pants

[swift tinsel]

I have to hope for spire pants from vault bc nfw I'm rolling there

minefield of bad gear

[dusky yacht]

I can get shoulders and belt from there too at least

But yeah

It's not fun rolls

[swift tinsel]

it has a huge loot pool

[dusky yacht]

I also got myth chest in vault with leech and one of my rolls today on windrunner was chest

[swift tinsel]

4 trinkets

all bad

[grim wasp]

i dont know where to go got 2 rolls

[swift tinsel]

look at dungeon journal

and see what has what you're looking for

[fallow nimbus]

I have 1 nexus ring from vault when haste/mast was still good from before the changes

[swift tinsel]

or roll for myth gaze

[dusky yacht]

Calculate W roll probability by looking at loot table like for example "9 possilbities, 3 are W, so 3/9 is the probability of you getting a good roll there"

[swift tinsel]

I wanna go pit for neck but can still get shit cloak or duplicate legs

[grim wasp]

i got heroic gaze guess ill go for myth helm and shoulder where i have a chance to get something else too

[swift tinsel]

so its npx for safety

ring and outlaw mace plus maybe one or two other things

I forget if npx has chest slot

oh I can get boots from there to cata too

[grim wasp]

Maisara but risk of rolling bad makes it not worth it

[swift tinsel]

skyreach has shoulders and dagger

plus a few other good slots for sub

[grim wasp]

I have daggers

[swift tinsel]

way better than mc

[fallow nimbus]

All my items are like 1-2/x

[grim wasp]

everything feels like a gamble at this point i guess pit of saron

i can avoid dagger by putting outlaw, i got ring already

[swift tinsel]

they are random rolls so

its a gamble by design

[vocal torrent]

it is a gamble but the reality is youll probably end up with more mythic pieces then you could even upgrade anyways

[grim wasp]

neck wrist belt would be good at worst i get legs and cloak

[vocal torrent]

I havent even rolled in dungeons and after last night I have 2 pieces I cant even upgrade until next week

[fallow nimbus]

I am already at this point with 2 first boss rolls

[grim wasp]

i got myth ring from alguitar and pit of saron

[vocal torrent]

is the pit ring good

[grim wasp]

had 2 cores refunded last weak

[vocal torrent]

Nice

[somber sun]

yeah

[grim wasp]

pit of sauron i can avoid dagger will put outlaw let me report back in an hour hope group is not shit

[fallow nimbus]

Me too then i got the head again

[somber sun]

you can literally roll everything from pit and it would still be worth

except cloak maybe

[fallow nimbus]

Catalyst cloak for big mastery

[vocal torrent]

I got the saladbar neck last night from bonus roll

[swift tinsel]

ring, dagger, neck, belt, legs, bracers, all well-itemized for sub

plus ye can cata cloak if you need

[vocal torrent]

crit over decent haste is pretty solid

[somber sun]

do vault items count towards the roll drop table ?

[swift tinsel]

supposedly not

which is a little stinky but means you can just take roll from vault instead if its a m+ item you're after

raid a little trickier bc it takes 2x rolls

[somber sun]

yeah, wont use roll on raids for a long time. Waiting for that point where I can find a guild that does prog M raids

[swift tinsel]

you can definitely game the raid rolls if you're trying for trinkets, can kill myth chim and imperator

but confounded if you're regularly raiding mythic

at least for vault cheesing

otherwise just pug myth chim/imperator

and realistically if you have hc guidon you're better off rolling on chim

bc hc->myth guidon is a small increase

bc the haste doesn't really do much going up an upgrade track

[somber sun]

yeah just kinda hard to pug those even if they are the easiest ones, most people that list them here want you to join vc or other stuff that requires 3148 steps

[dusky yacht]

Tbh I prefer the way loot worked way in the past, felt like gear meant something back then. I mean I do understand the reasons for the changes but it almost feels like wellfare at this point.

[somber sun]

yeah true true

you already have enough at some point

[swift tinsel]

its more exciting than just getting tokens you buy loot with which was the previous iteration

bc you still have to roll the item you actually want

this is a version of an old way, just without the shitty gold rolls

[dusky yacht]

Yeah perhaps so, I'm talking about a long, long time ago. Back in vanilla/tbc/wotlk.

[swift tinsel]

@vale pine

[dusky yacht]

How many of these cringelords we gonna get lmao

[warm marlin]

nah but how do so many people fall for this stuff

[dusky yacht]

It's wild

[vale pine]

!ban @civic zenith hacked account

[swift tinsel]

tyty

[vale pine]

another one

[dusky yacht]

bites the dust

[vale pine]

it seems like q plaque lately

*a

[dusky yacht]

[vale pine]

reminder

don't click on links people send you

[abstract cosmos]

FINALLY

[swift tinsel]

I've seen some other discords have auto-ban channels that can catch them if a message is posted in it

[vale pine]

especially if they are sus. (don't click the link, you will regret it)

[dusky yacht]

I had a person some time ago they added me out of nowhere and then they were like "I'm really looking for people to try this new game with me uwu" lmao instant block

[swift tinsel]

but that requires them to talk in that channel which they don't always message

[shrewd lantern]

I just post thugshakers

[vale pine]

we have multiple security measurements

[shrewd lantern]

to people asking about commission art

yet never watermark

or reply with nudebarber content

[dusky yacht]

Why must you tempt me so

[vale pine]

to be fair

its harmless

[dusky yacht]

[shrewd lantern]

i used to just link scammers

to screamer links

[vale pine]

the problem is, these scammers do upload the images

[dusky yacht]

I love those videos of that hacker that hacks scammers and then lets them know he's watching them on their own webcams/video cameras

[vale pine]

so all i could do is check how many pictures someone attaches

and remove messages with a certain amount automatically

sounds like it could easily get false positive stho

[dusky yacht]

trying to help someone, posts 4 screenshots
it gets deleted
Damn you, fuu, damn you..

[vale pine]

haha exactly

[azure thicket]

yeah if you're way off the bis setup sim will give odd results

but dps gains is gains

[dusky yacht]

Eh BiS is relative honestly, especially with haste breakpoint

[azure thicket]

yeah it is relative but if you're getting sim wants vers

just y'know

[dusky yacht]

I've seen some high parsers actually use some versa gear

It's been confusing me

[azure thicket]

vers is good in pvp sub rogue it makes sense with high uptime

[swift tinsel]

it might just be what they've had drop for them

[dusky yacht]

Yeah exactly my conclusion

[azure thicket]

a few seasons ago outlaw the vers/crit/haste enjoyer

was using house of cards in title keys

cause they were always fighting and benefited from main gauche procs lol

[shrewd lantern]

its more of vers reduces damage taken

and crits are only 150% in pvp

rather than 200

[swift tinsel]

outlaw mastery is...so eh

[shrewd lantern]

if anything your uptime in pvp is low

because people will spam cc you

[vale osprey]

Main gauge topped my damage on a boss in a key yesterday

[limber folio]

first boss AA pad

[somber sun]

bro why are evokers so low on dps everytime

[limber folio]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[swift tinsel]

its just an eh damage proc, nothing cool interesting or thematic

sometimes a lil energy from fatal flourish

and its named after a defensive weapon

[foggy estuary]

Im parsing great when i changed guidon for pbox, but im resi 14 casul as well

[dusky yacht]

Honestly I think pbox overrated for m+

[foggy estuary]

It depends on how many pulls on the dung ur tank makes and if they bring adds to bosses.

[dusky yacht]

Well yeah but they will do a bit more dps there then the people using it, sure, but at what cost

There are also downsides to it

[foggy estuary]

Personally i have both and perform miles and leaps better with pbox. But i guess it depends on alot of other vars 🙂

[foggy estuary]

Only downside i have is whenever i press magic puzzle button, pp gets very big! 😂

[dusky yacht]

I mean in that one fight maybe yeah, but it doesn't line up with blades, you might miss kicking a cast or whatever while casting it, ...

[void ocean]

whats the value of Singular Focus raid buff for this week

[foggy estuary]

Bro, mechanics are for cars and kicks for mma😂

[fair cedar]

Best races for sub pve raid ?

[dusky yacht]

That definitely seems to be the opinion of the people who brick my keys

[foggy estuary]

Im joking, i know what u mean bruv. But without premade group i just wanna blast and have fun

[dusky yacht]

[dusky yacht]

Yeah sure I get that

[raw frost]

are there expected tunings this week

[foggy estuary]

Im not doing 20s, max i get i think is 3.4 without premade. Im 3.2 now

Guild is playing diablo now🥲

Any min max tips for myth vorasius and chim?

[swift tinsel]

what does this mean

[azure thicket]

yeah but it's played over mastery in solo shuffle cause you're always in combat who gets a restealth etc

in bg blitz mastery is played for the burst

[void ocean]

which part is unclear xD

[swift tinsel]

Singular Focus isn't a raid buff

also we don't play deathstalker

[void ocean]

dude its that qyest u pick up

at the enterance

[swift tinsel]

the raid buff is 3%

[void ocean]

alright thats whan i wanted to know tnx

its also called singular focus

at leadt the vs one

[swift tinsel]

lmao thats so troll to name a raid buff after a rogue talent

hahahahahahahahahahaha

holy shit

thats like

legit cinema

[sage pond]

Can someone please tell me what race is simming highest for them? I know it’s miniscule but I’m curious and don’t have time to even get to the pc and sim it myself for the next hours. Thanks in advance

[grim wasp]

Pit wrist 1 roll left

[somber sun]

Vora, just ignore all your team and keep dpsing

[grim wasp]

you mean every boss tips? xD

[somber sun]

I told him vorasius

Chim is kinda same

Just get assigned to the second soak group

[grim wasp]

chim generally if i have some secs off for sd sectech or blades comming im shadow stepping on a range dps and back on to chim aint got time to down add

leaving that for mages

[somber sun]

Yeah

[buoyant umbra]

anyone know how i can make the black bars darker so they are easier to see

[swift tinsel]

Spell Alert Opacity

[grim wasp]

its like on some bosses i hear raid leader say interupt but i dont even know what was being cast

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[swift tinsel]

can search for it in the menu and adjust to whatever % you'd like it

[somber sun]

You don't even have to xd

Atleast 5 interrupts are cast when needed on the same unit

Bro btw

There is a trick on crown

For p2 when you are getting pulled in

If you use a toy that makes you sit/force position you ignore all cc

[grim wasp]

700 haste is with haste flask right?

[somber sun]

Nah

If you lack yeah

But you want to get that point naturally

[grim wasp]

crown im mostly holding all buffs until add has the damage taken debuff then im pumping chill rest of the time

ah i was trying to reduce my haste to 550 and then use a haste flask

it is not good to do this? reduce it to 550 pumping crit and mastery then use haste flask?

[somber sun]

You can yeah

[limpid jacinth]

is it just me or does sub rogue perform worse in m+ after the .5 patch?

[grim wasp]

let me do that then i reduce my haste

[dense geode]

sub always atleast to me feels like it falls off when other classes get geared.

Feelsgood early without gear feels bad late vs things like sin rogue

idk if true or not but i def feel that way too lol

[swift tinsel]

it happens often

[somber sun]

It's not thaaat bad, but it's def true

[swift tinsel]

there's typically still fights that prefer sub but it has a tendency to fall off as others get gear or timers shift

and keys sin is often good as mobs live longer

in higher keys

[vale osprey]

Has been the case last few tiers, it's just the nature of damage profile you need on prog (burst DPS very valuable) Vs just pure throughput late because everything dies via cleave

[swift tinsel]

and outlaw is tuned quite well so its pulling ahead too

[somber sun]

Thankfully we can easily swap between specs with current gear

[vale osprey]

It's actually so goated

[somber sun]

And atleast one spec is performing contrary to having all 3 specs bottom tier

[dense geode]

yea really enjoy the crit/haste changed made I do wish vcersatility can become something else or better in the future

[grand summit]

Do the sims calculate for haste right

im like way below haste but if I sim haste belt over my crt belt it just says straight DPS loss

[somber sun]

What's your belt currently?

Also it takes into account yeah

[fiery fog]

do i buy boe legs guys

they are pretty good ngl

[timid rose]

but not with my current skill as a player 🙁

[vale osprey]

Price?

[fiery fog]

1m

[vale osprey]

Oh that's not horrible

But no

Surely you're not able to spend all your myth crests anyway rn

[fiery fog]

i still have 100 crests
the only legs that are comparable are alleria and WS

[dense geode]

sim crafted

[vale osprey]

Also true, crafted Vs 1m gold

[timid rose]

i'll probably end up with crafted while i fish for the ones from pit

[swift tinsel]

idk if I'd use crests on crafted legs if you're hunting for them

bc you can get hero version which are still quite good

with how much myth gear you can get now from rolls using 80 on a slot you're looking to replace seems a bit troll

[somber sun]

Getting all pos myth track gear after rolling for trinket would be the optimal play right ?

Say all, cause I will surely get the cloak

[grand summit]

crafted

vs Myth Pit Belt

[lusty narwhal]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[somber sun]

You prob lack the embellishment after swapping

[edgy imp]

anyone gonna farm boe Power Stance Breechers in mythic to get BIS myth legs ?

[swift tinsel]

since they're random stat rolls that sounds like a nightmare to farm

[edgy imp]

it takes 5-10 minutes depending on the raid and the items sell for 1 -4 million , even if you dont get it you can sell them to buy the perfect stated one with leech or avoidance or indestructable on the auction house

[shrewd lantern]

most people would farm them for gold

especially since you can get 2 pairs of decently statted pant from bonus rolls now

[cold trellis]

A question, is sim correct. I sim 2k more with 500~ haste(with 1100 crit) instead of 677 haste (889 crit) I thought untill 700 I should have more haste? idk :d

Is crit so much better now? 🤔

[shrewd lantern]

sim drops below recommended haste

since it can hit the 0.1s gcd

unlike humans often

[cold trellis]

So I should not care and go for 700 haste anyway?

[silent sphinx]

how should i be using puzzle box and emberwing? not ideal combo but my best gear rn

[shrewd lantern]

get the renown trinket from voidstorm

and use pb

[sweet moss]

hasve u guys recrafted for crit/haste instead

?

[timid rose]

It only costs 20 crests to bump them to 289 so it's not like you are losing crests

[silent sphinx]

my emberwing is 276 2/6 and my pb is 276 6/6, wont a champion trinket be a big dps loss?

or can you get this renown trinket higher than champ?

[swift tinsel]

if youre crafting myth legs its 80 crests, which is a waste if you're getting hero or myth

[shrewd lantern]

renown trinket is better

than most

besides plume and gaze

[silent sphinx]

ill sim it (and im new so im still learning) but it seems wild that a 13 ilvl loss is dps gain

[shrewd lantern]

maybe solarflare is better

than the crucible

[swift tinsel]

it might be now

[fiery fog]

im pretty sure hero flare is 0.0% (against crucible)

[swift tinsel]

it was a full 1% behind equal track gaze

so prism is a very solid alternative if you can get a myth one while seeking a myth gaze

[dusky yacht]

I'm curious, would it be a good idea to switch finality for rotten for raid?

[swift tinsel]

why are you wanting to?

rotten buffs strikes during cloud which are contingent on crit to do really big dam, but still do solid dam when it doesn't crit

[dusky yacht]

Well since it's not really like pure AoE constantly and you end up back on boss etc

[lilac stag]

There’s maybe 2 fights worth keeping finality on, if you go pp

[dusky yacht]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

just embrace boss dmg parses

[dusky yacht]

I guess I'll switch it see how it goes

Actually I just copied the tree, gave it diff name, now I can switch depending on the boss fight

[toxic igloo]

What % behind is Deathstalker over Trickster?

[dusky yacht]

Prolly something like 4% but I'm not exactly sure

[toxic igloo]

So it's probably ok to run if you doing chill keys

[dusky yacht]

Of course like honestly it will barely matter tbh

[rich spade]

Is deathstalker’s funnel worth it though?

[grim wasp]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[grim wasp]

worth putting a shadowstrike vanish shadowstrike macro?

lazy to press vanish

[warm marlin]

I got my voidcore refund

W blizzard support

[vale pine]

nice

[warm marlin]

(we do not tell them that i rolled mythic gaze with said tokens and giga profited even if they didnt refund them)

[vale pine]

vanish and strike can't be put in a macro well

[grim wasp]

sad

[vale pine]

its like this

if you macro vanish + strike

you press it

you vanish, but don't strike

so need to press it a 2nd time to use shadowstrike

it is the same behaviour dance has (now, but did not have in the past)

[grim wasp]

I tried blackpower and coup de grace macro prefer to press them manual

[shrewd lantern]

what funnel lmao

sub isnt a funnel spec

[vale pine]

that macro works tho

you don't need seperate presses

[quaint lodge]

deathstalker has funnel built into it

[vale pine]

its just sometimes annoying, when you want to use BP

[quaint lodge]

i demacro'd them because of vaelgor

[red flame]

True & real

[vale pine]

but fail to do so because coup is up and you are out of range

[red flame]

But works great tho

[vale pine]

it works well

if you make sure to stay in melee

and tab target/click to keep focusing the closest target

[grim wasp]

it pressed blackpoweder insteaad of coup de grace

[shrewd lantern]

yeah it sucks nowadays

[vale pine]

it does use coup de grace if its up

[shrewd lantern]

play a real funnel hero tree like AR havoc

[quaint lodge]

Doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[timid rose]

if you replace a crafted leg with a myth track leg, it's only 20 more crests to go up from 285 to 289. it's more just what i have available and the large pool of items in the pit that are daunting

[shrewd lantern]

might as well not

esp since sub if anything is anti funnel

sectech yeeting shitter mobs

until some wannabe tank that watches yoda or kira 5h a day claims some cope about prioing evis

[young path]

So progging paladins and feeling the 3 target slump….

Started messing with simc and builds into raid bots and goremaws bite sims substantially higher when combined w/mastery flask…

2 questions

Am I crazy?

And…

How in the world does one properly weave goremaws bite into the rotation?

[quaint lodge]

Out of curiosity can i see the sim

Also
A: maybe
b: you can go down to the bottom and see when the sim is usng goremaws to figure it out

[young path]

Unfortunately not at the moment because I’m at the office

It doesn’t show it even being casted

[warm marlin]

are you sure that mastery flask just isnt better

goremaw's doesnt cleave at all

[young path]

Will throw it up when I get back

It’s the energy it free’s is what I’m thinking

(Next 3 finishers free)

[graceful rock]

Energy isn’t really a bottle neck unless outside of dance

[young path]

Exactly, so hence my question of how this would even weave into the rotation

[graceful rock]

What did you remove for goremaws?

[young path]

Finality

If I remember correctly

[graceful rock]

I mean PP with mastery flask might just be carrying the sim

[young path]

Sim went from patchwerk 3 target at 166k to 173k

I probably should have waited to be at the house before bringing this up

[somber sun]

They should add " every 7cp evis outside of sd reduces sd cooldown by 0.2 s "

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah then they nerf dance

[somber sun]

Nah they won't, rogue is not that good..right ?

[shrewd lantern]

if anything dance uptime is too high rn

[plush roost]

Every 7cp evis....

So like 1 second off dance

Unless its aoe ur getting 4-5 finishers max kekw

[graceful rock]

Oooo new cook

Make goremaws like touch of the magi

[plush roost]

Touch of the maw

[graceful rock]

Bite of the Goremaw

[plush roost]

Aka title of my sex tape

[graceful rock]

Leak

[plush roost]

Gore of the maw

Bite maw gore the of

[graceful rock]

Fuck it im running goremaws on lura

The 1.0% thing on the talents is gonna be a movie

[long cape]

Which is BIS dagger from m+ ?

[plush roost]

Wait

Goremaw fazed crits

[warm marlin]

charmander!

they gave me my refund tokens finally

[plush roost]

Omg

[warm marlin]

my ticket has received a response

[plush roost]

Just in time to kill lura

And get eye of midnight

[warm marlin]

its kinda big actually

i wouldnt have anything to spend crests on next week

except icky bracers upgrade

[plush roost]

Im drowning in gear

Kind of annoying

[graceful rock]

Same

[warm marlin]

myth crest achieve means you need infinite pieces to upgrade

[graceful rock]

They gave me the beloren ring

[plush roost]

Ring belt neck and legs i need to upgrade

[graceful rock]

And I was like “I actually don’t need this”

[warm marlin]

i have 4 slots that are hero track left, + my 2 crafts

i need 3 of those for next week

[swift tinsel]

Next time they gotta remove crest cap with core release

[warm marlin]

or else i need to send myth on craft which is shite

[graceful rock]

I think I’m sending my bonus rolls on the nxp rings

This week

[plush roost]

Whats somas prog lookin like

P3 ?

Or glaive jail

[scarlet gull]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[long cape]

!bis

[plush roost]

Idek if thats good

[warm marlin]

i leak

[plush roost]

Beloran ring lowkey bis

[alpine wraith]

reactor

[graceful rock]

Bel ring good but I can afford the haste loss atm

No Alleria neck

[plush roost]

So like, 1.5 weeks of prog?

[warm marlin]

this is our second full day of prog

[plush roost]

This week if yall lock in

[warm marlin]

oh fk no not this week

we have 1 more raid day

[somber sun]

I don't wanna make rogue sound too op

It's already rn

Kappa

[warm marlin]

2 full days of prog + 2 halfies from reclear/beloren kill day

and most of post belo prog was setting up weakauras and macros 🙂

[graceful rock]

Yeah we had the weakaura office hours post belo kill on Tuesday

[plush roost]

Ah tuff

Best advice i can give

Is legit dont parse p3

Just do mech

And win

[graceful rock]

Duh

[warm marlin]

im playing law bruv

we vibing

[plush roost]

Ur banging fluuuf

Im gonna law next week

[warm marlin]

I had a 140k boss dps pull on a 3min wipe

[plush roost]

I wanted to play it on prog

[warm marlin]

kinda brazy

[plush roost]

But we were 100 pulls in so eh

Brwwwzy

[warm marlin]

seems good

[plush roost]

I think we killed monday if i was outlaw

Smodgr

[warm marlin]

we have 4 days next week

legally allotted extra day on the final/penultimate raid week of the tier

maybe dies? idk how p3 prog looks

[plush roost]

Its a choke check imo

We had so many wipes to people panicing on memory game

[graceful rock]

I think I’m being forced on sub

[plush roost]

You could legit take a shower during memory game

[graceful rock]

There’s not enough data for my case

[plush roost]

And come back and clear

[warm marlin]

its a bit nice, usually our guild are mechanic gods and struggle with damage stuff

some depressing wipes on paladins/alleria/beloren was looking a bit grim

[vale pine]

fixed the picture for you

[warm marlin]

lura looking hopeful

[plush roost]

Damage check is still kindof there

[warm marlin]

not this time

[plush roost]

If u dont wanna play 2nd last memory game

[warm marlin]

i am guessing we just play that one out

[plush roost]

Which is 1 light memory game

Yeah we played it

[warm marlin]

and all live p4

[plush roost]

On our .4% pull

And then found about 5% boss hp on our kill

And skipped

Im so pisses btw

My entire p3 lura

Shadowstrike crit on only weapon masters and apex hits

[strong shoal]

@vale pine Is alleria neck anything special (heroic)?

[plush roost]

So just negative dps

[strong shoal]

i dont raid mythic

[vale pine]

the effect is good

but its not that huge

[strong shoal]

its like "cool" to have

i see

ty!

[vale pine]

so its esssentially a regular neck with like 0.2-0.3% worth of extra dps from the effect

it is also very haste heavy

which makes it easy to hit your haste target

of roughly 700

[plush roost]

Likr what is this bro

[vale pine]

e.g. even a normal version has ~200 haste (when fully upgraded)

[warm marlin]

3/10 aint even that bad

one of my beloren burns was 1/13

with 35% crit (plus all the bonuses to builder crit chance)

[shrewd lantern]

i love 13% strike crit burns

[plush roost]

Felt so shit xddd

[warm marlin]

ye who doesnt love omega crit damage right

the variance of going from a no crit, no wm proc, no AA proc hit of 60k to a crit, wm proc, aa proc literally 1M+ damage strike is very cool!

[vale pine]

just crit more

good rogues crit more often than others

[lilac stag]

@strong shoal it’s good. But to sum it you likely have to drop hate elsewhere and redraft pieces to crit mastery

It’s close to a 2k upgrade fin my current heroic neck with redrafts

[pliant canopy]

Can someone explain what is differnet with the new rogue build? My damage is awful lol https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DB4mvgcA2M7R6b3Z?fight=7&type=damage-done I was doing the same damage with the old build at 6 less ilvls without the dmg boost !log

[vale osprey]

Guys step up - NONE of you have done this fight as sub?

[lilac stag]

Use !log

[pliant canopy]

!log

ty

[dreamy wedge]

I am forever stuck at 3200 IO, the whole day I can't get into a single 15 after having full 14 cleared -_-

A groups of monk shaman warrior won't take me

[sinful zephyr]

try to push your own key. It´s easier

[dreamy wedge]

my key is windrunnner 15 which I already have cleared. but maybe you are right.

[fathom adder]

any tipps for first time alleria progress? would you just use the st rotten build or a cleave variant with potent powder?

would have used the rotten one tbh

[graceful portal]

hey need some help, what's the best spec on paladins ? assa or outlaw ?

[tepid quartz]

!feint

[wicked jolt]

Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

[rustic mortar]

hm i dont understand why my shadowstrike hit like a wet noodle compared to another rouge .. i even have 100 more agi same trinkets same crit rating .. nearly same mastery (but this aint doing something for shadowstrike i think)

[tidal solstice]

the rotten

[rustic mortar]

left one is mine

i played rotten

[sly shore]

[rustic mortar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/devil-exclusive-65pM9un5dmK08

i mean can u do something wrong while pressing shadowstrike that it doesnt do that much damage 😄 ?

[swift tinsel]

the rotten, more crits

rotten crits

lots of rng with strike

[rustic mortar]

hm

i have 35% so im just fucking unlucky ?

[swift tinsel]

yep

can def happen with 35% crit

even with the extra 7% chance from talents

rng be rng

[rustic mortar]

was just checking every mythic log today

its between 11k - 14k

[swift tinsel]

its not just how many crits you get, its also which ones crit between the hits themselves and the clones

many layers to this particular onion

[rustic mortar]

soooo it just sucks

[swift tinsel]

#subtlety message

it's a gamble

over time it evens out to be high dmg

[rustic mortar]

what to u mean with over time

this is a 4:30 fight

or rather 5

[swift tinsel]

that's how averages and rng work

sometimes the dmg is lower, sometimes higher

but as n increases it evens out over time

[shrewd lantern]

blizz adds a 150% crit damage function during cds

this surely wont have funny variance

[rustic mortar]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[swift tinsel]

sometimes your rotten strikes and/or their apex clones crit, sometimes not

[rustic mortar]

that the one which im missing

[swift tinsel]

which, an ability doing 35% more damage critting will be a much bigger number and percent contribution to dmg than just a random strike critting

[native hawk]

anyones third sec tech in beloren burn phase randomly not going off, animation and sound happens but doesnt go on cd

not a arcui bug etc its not showing on cd either on action bar

[wild briar]

when should I vanish?

[obsidian crag]

cab we nacri guidon with pot?

can we macro guidon with pot?

[swift tinsel]

I see we're getting our Circe's Circlet/Domination Gems system with 12.0.7

greattttt

"Once unlocked, you’ll be entrusted with the Omnium Folio, a runic ledger containing powerful runes of power you can use in battle. Continue taking part in weekly activities to imbue more runes—customizing these initial runes and unlocking their maximum potential to aid you in the fight against the Void."

[abstract cosmos]

quick question for second shadow dance window when popping blades when do u know u can pop another dance with it being the same cd as tech

[swift tinsel]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[swift tinsel]

if you have guidon it helps shorten the cd of sectech

bc of the haste infusion further reducing its hasted cd

[sonic raven]

Does our poison debuff slow haunting Essence cast on chimaerus if tongued?

[mighty pebble]

hello, should i use company trinket before my cds or after?

[swift tinsel]

before

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[swift tinsel]

that should be what pops up with that command imo

[mighty pebble]

tyvm

[abstract cosmos]

i have guidon so should i make a macro

for it

or leave it on bars

[dreamy wedge]

Read two messages above you

[swift tinsel]

can just have its own keybind, press that one second before your blades/dance/sectech

[spice island]

Like in a general sense or for the opener?

[vale pine]

could add a disclaimer later

[swift tinsel]

oo yeah that's a good idea

[vale warren]

gotta love that haste. Never swapping or upgrading another piece of haste gear 💪

[vale pine]

perfect

clean 700

[drifting ether]

I got rostered in for alleria is it essentially the same with st fight? Thinking of dropping my mastery for more crit for last 3 fights

[alpine wraith]

yea you kinda go st

[abstract cosmos]

so im at 620 haste rn swapped gems etc anything else i could do

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fA7mWeU8iEUE3wKsnnC7MF

this is my raidbots

but i have guidon

too

so maybe its okay

[alpine wraith]

you want 684 to 700

a bit far

[abstract cosmos]

but i got told

if u have guidon

[warm marlin]

swap gems to crit/mast and play haste flask no?

[abstract cosmos]

it should be okay

that might work

[torpid echo]

your dagger is crit mast, u can recraft and get 40 extra haste

[abstract cosmos]

oooo

u are so right

[tribal shadow]

You can catalyst wrists, i think they have ~30 crit ~60 haste. (If you have spare charges)

[abstract cosmos]

got this badboys too day too

[swift tinsel]

\o/

[alpine wraith]

big

[haughty heart]

Its the same talent build from 12.0.5? or has it changed cuz of bug fixes

[leaden prairie]

waht spec would I play on last boss seat guys

talents i mean

just standard st or some beloren weirdness

[sly shore]

standard

[vale pine]

standard single target

[stoic anchor]

proud of 1st vaelgor and ezorak kill thx for the support, very helpful community ppc

last pull of the night after 3h 15 mins of wipes 💀

[tidal solstice]

i havent yelled after a boss kill like i did for heroic lura in some time lol

[fiery fog]

freedom

beloren

is

dead

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

[empty bobcat]

150k overall in details translated to 125k in logs 🙁 I thought I was overperforming...

[lilac stag]

Imagine trusting blizzards dmg meters

[upbeat cradle]

were you the one taking the logs ? if the log person is far from you they don't see your shadow clones damage

[abstract cosmos]

is 677 haste with guidon okay ?

[tidal solstice]

so if i have a 289 mh and 285 OH, how important is maxing the 2nd mythic i just got as a drop? should i prioritize other mythic peices to max first?

nm ill sim it

[zenith hollow]

What stats would I need to shift around to eventually be able to have the alleria neck not be a dps loss? Not a huge deal atm just long term goals
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bwEphHqES1Zb2nL4K1qQRL

[red flame]

How much haste do you have

[zenith hollow]

637 with phoenix oil/18%

[abstract cosmos]

i also need help with my sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/18hADfVXrYQrTK9pkjG2vq

i feel like im simming wrong because my rings and items keep switching everytime i look

idk maybe im fried if anyone can help

thx 🙂

[shy scarab]

Augs been stealin a good chunk

[zenith hollow]

idk about the gems but you are using secondary food instead of main stat

[abstract cosmos]

ignore that forgot to swap it out tbh

im using main stat

[red flame]

Ideally you want 650-700 after oils/enchants ; it’s probably just sims being weird bc of haste tbh. It only shows a ~600 dps loss anyways which is negligible

[dusky yacht]

I mean why even play rogue lmao this is so cringe (Heroic L'ura)

[abstract cosmos]

can u help me with mine if u dont mind

[red flame]

Wow it’s like I’m looking at my char 😭 female nelf using s1 tww glad set

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[zenith hollow]

trying to figure out how the sim hits 126 and im closing in on full myth wondering how im gonna eke out 20k dps lol

[abstract cosmos]

ye haha its a cold set

[red flame]

I’m not the best at logs but ye lemme take a look for ya

[fickle tiger]

Have a bit of a question, at two targets do I do shuriken into Eviscerate or shuriken into bp?

[red flame]

Shuriken out of dance & shadowstrike in dance

For 2 target

[abstract cosmos]

thank u

v much

im at 670 haste without flask

[fickle tiger]

even if im not running weaponmaster?

[abstract cosmos]

but i searched to see if recrafting dagger to crit haste would work but i lose alot of dmg i think

[red flame]

How many rings are you trying to sim

[abstract cosmos]

i think 4

[desert oasis]

!set

[red flame]

Are you just trying to see crit haste vs w/e you currently have or

[desert oasis]

Anyone have the spreadsheet that shows the bonus set dmg increase?

[red flame]

What’re you mainly trying to sim

[abstract cosmos]

ye

more dmg

[red flame]

Uncheck all the rings you don’t have equipped & just do crit/haste dagger vs your equipped

Diff ring combos is prob what’s messing w it

[worthy valley]

@iron dove yo, love the addon updates! Is there any way to set the alert to be TTS with text e.g. "Roll" and "flurry" 😄

[abstract cosmos]

only reason why im simming rings is to give me the best stats

[abstract cosmos]

i also tried simming dagger but it makes me loose dmg

[frosty axle]

guidon just worse than puzzlebox now in all situations?

[dense geode]

there meters are fake (if someone dies)

[grave delta]

Is nimble flurry still off ur position or is it now off of enemies position

[dusky yacht]

Nobody died that try

I'm pretty sure anyway idk

[dense geode]

im just saying like

above that percentile wise

not your picture specifically

[dusky yacht]

But the part that's bs is he's higher dps than me but 5% less percentile like what

Not saying he played badly it's just like why

[dense geode]

ye well theres like a billion ret logs

and because when players die the ret gets to "pad" more damage

The class is very strong tho rn none the less

[dusky yacht]

I think we're just weak af rn tbh

[dense geode]

We def aint strong but I wouldnt say weak

we just dont do anything outside of damage

and its really emphasized this tier

[dusky yacht]

Our damage isn't even competitive

[dense geode]

its middle of the pack

we are normal

low-mid*

i mean in heroic it looks pretty cometitive

Mythic though yea low-mid

[dusky yacht]

I mean yeah when I pugged heroic I was top dps but like it doesn't mean shit there tbh

[shrewd lantern]

outlaw tier

[heady garden]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[left ledge]

no, why do you ask this

guidon is still our bis trinket

[dusky yacht]

Where do people get their info sometimes I wonder

[left ledge]

puzzle is good for m+

i prefer to use it over guidon for big aoe dungeons

but outside of that and generally guidon is insanely good for sub

enables your rotation, literally

[hexed wave]

so i got both guidon and puzzle hero pieces, unfortunately not in mythic and it kills me in sadness, but puzzle u recommend for more m+ situations right? as sub? thankful to still have it even as heroic tho case i roll assa too

[alpine wraith]

you kinda need to know which dungeons

[small sleet]

I still think you just run guidon in every dungeon

It’s not worth giving up single target just to pad a bit harder in aoe

[hazy breach]

Highest possible aoe sims i could conjure was with guidon as well

[hexed wave]

ok cool that does make me feel better

i do like simplicity

[limber folio]

@wheat edge an the Pacific is boiling

[hazy breach]

Obv thats a sustained AOE fight and not like 20s

[hexed wave]

i enjoy watching pika and while i know im not as good as him lol i enjoy learning and he likes puzzle

[abstract cosmos]

is this a big sim diff with and without premed ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g4s9nLHFJ4KcYowzXMJ3za

[hazy breach]

Because obviously puzzlebox is better on a 20s fight as it has a longer cd and gives more stats

[hexed wave]

you guys sim aoe or st? what do u click on to sim when choosing in top gear

thanks

[dusky yacht]

AoE is just super weird to sim it's very inaccurate at best imo

But also kind of matters less like idk

[shrewd lantern]

i would not trust this guy on gearing decisions

he's like the definition of an idiot savant

[hexed wave]

ha yea i usually got tabs open of overall bis gear for sub on murlok

[shrewd lantern]

topgear exists

you just raidbots whatever your best gear is

[empty bobcat]

no aug in grp

[empty bobcat]

it was me yes

[thorn sundial]

guys how many % dmg do we get patchwerk from having skyfury ?

or lose from not having it

[empty bobcat]

but it was M+ I heard its different

as it takes whole key time

[rain swift]

yeah he gives amazing advice like once in a fullmoon kekw but its always useful whenever he drops wisdom

[hexed wave]

ok perf, been using all my tokens on pit too so after that ima start upgrading my hero tier to mythic, then i guess try gettting gaze mythic, other option was farm puzzle mythic but now i feel better about thinking about it

thanks gang, love this discord

[rain swift]

yeah i play myth puzzle and enjoy it, but im gonna get myth guidon too and just see what i prefer later when i get it

[iron dove]

Glad to hear that! Yes I can make sounds for that that you can select, i’ll do that:)

[worthy valley]

goat

[abstract cosmos]

is there a command for the no premed opener ?

[hazy breach]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[worthy valley]

lmao idk why I wrote it in sub thread... 😄

[iron dove]

Lol u right🤣

[dusky yacht]

I hope they change premed or whatever tho like on bloodlust pulls it felt so bad tonight

[abstract cosmos]

so whats the issue with premed

is it bugged

?

[dusky yacht]

Yes but also just poorly designed

For me it's 0.9% DPS loss

[rain swift]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

• The first Ancient Arts clone cannot proc while Premeditation is up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
• There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3. (This does not matter much numerically, but feels weird)

[abstract cosmos]

damn they need to fix that shit

let me see how much of a dmg loss it is for me smile

[shrewd lantern]

they realistically aren't

its been bugged entire expac

[rain swift]

thats mission impossible from blizz

[shrewd lantern]

:)

[rain swift]

kekw

[shrewd lantern]

I get this feeling cloudcover was only fixed

due to surge of pvp complaints

[abstract cosmos]

i mean if they fix it holy sub would feel so much cleaner for combo procs

;l

[shrewd lantern]

its just your opener is like sandpaper

[abstract cosmos]

TRUE

[rain swift]

Ive started liking it somewhat, its only like 4-5 sec of the start right?

[outer orchid]

I've been playing sub the entire xpac and I still dont know this:
Do the supercharged cps act like theyre over 7 cp if at 7 cp when casted?

[dusky yacht]

It's just shitty to me that it feels like RNG somehow

[outer orchid]

Like if at 7 cp with supercharge does it act like 9 cp?

[dusky yacht]

Some pulls I'm taking one more GCD to start dmg

[abstract cosmos]

i also been popping a dance before pull for extra combo points

it was v fun

[dusky yacht]

I keep forgetting that optimisation

I really need to start doing it

[abstract cosmos]

i mean it kinda makes a diff

but not much

[outer orchid]

You should see some of the mythic belo cooks

[hazy breach]

10, as you have forced induction

But yes

And if its a coup its effectively a 15 cp finisher

Which is why our 2p is so good

[rain swift]

this is new info for me

[abstract cosmos]

i been playing premed on the first boss of mythic and got a 93 which isnt bad say its bugged no ?

[rain swift]

amazing

[outer orchid]

Oh right, forgot about that
I figured it did but I was jw

[abstract cosmos]

@rain swift what info

[rain swift]

what eleem said

[abstract cosmos]

i know this is a rlly silly question but do we use blades then dance ?

[rain swift]

yeah blades first I'd assume to hit harder with sectech and not need to spend an extra half a sec in dance to click and additional button

[dusky yacht]

.

@abstract cosmos

(With guidon)

(And 700 haste)

[abstract cosmos]

i have guidon

[dusky yacht]

Also

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[frosty axle]

value from trinkets on liquid armory changed for sub, was wondering if value we got from them changed with new patch

[dusky yacht]

What's liquid armory

[hexed wave]

should we always use SD + SECTEC macro or just for that opener

[dusky yacht]

Always when you use sectec

But it's better to have stuff bound seperately

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[dusky yacht]

You can use the first one there

If you want it to look like sectec and have it's cooldown:

Can even replace the "2" as name with space " " so it looks exactly like sectec would

I have it as 2 because it's bound to 2 for me and this way I can tell if it's the macro

[left ledge]

not sure what liquid armory is

but yeah guidon is still bis

you can make a case for puzzle box in m+

or for beloren if you're holding for 2 mins

[hexed wave]

ok cool ill use those bp+coup macro and always use sd+sectec thanks

[abstract cosmos]

rq i wanna change my weapon to haste does this matter for a loss ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dN8wS21cunrWtTpuBNR6dm

[dusky yacht]

Yeah, you can bind dance seperately to second dance at 8 seconds left on blades, but pressing this macro even with sectec on cooldown should still use dance if you don't want to do that

I prefer having it bound seperately mainly to track the cooldown of dance because I don't track it in my ui's CDM

[hexed wave]

yea sometimes i like using it separate too

[dusky yacht]

Don't listen to sims when it comes to haste breakpoint

Get ~700 haste (at least 684+, but 700 is more comfy)

Then put the rest into crit/mastery. Leaning more towards crit for raids/ST, mastery for AoE/M+

[shrewd lantern]

equip highest ilvl while retaining haste

who tf has multiple myth pieces in every slot to make signficant change

[dusky yacht]

For example, I'm mainly mythic raiding but I do some keys on the side for fun: 907 crit, 687 haste, 750 mastery
I would want a bit more haste and am aiming for it

I just prefer leaning towards crit instead of stacking it and being purely crit

Plus this way, if I use a mastery flask for m+ I am still having decent mastery and pretty high crit %

If I use crit flask I'm pretty high on crit

[abstract cosmos]

this is mine rn

[dusky yacht]

What number is your haste rating

The %s are weird

[abstract cosmos]

580 but thats with a ring which is a 1.1% increase

compared to my other ring

[dusky yacht]

Ideally you need 104 more haste at the bare minimum, 700 haste rating, but this is WITH oils since you will always use oils, altho if you would get a li'l more you can drop the MH oil for adamantite sharpening stone which is like a nifty li'l thing to do for more weap damage

[swift tinsel]

Can swap the 2 gems and use haste flask

[dusky yacht]

I am not using these yet until I get my haste up a li'l more through rolls

[swift tinsel]

If you’re ~540-550 haste then flask will put you at or a little over 700

[abstract cosmos]

true

35% crit is good then no ?

to leave out crit flask

[swift tinsel]

Ye that’s good

[dusky yacht]

I prefer getting the haste breakpoint with gear so I have control over my flasks situationally but yeah it's personal preference I guess

[swift tinsel]

Having 35-40% crit doesn’t guarantee your rotten strikes or clones will crit

Well personal preference and available gear

Not exactly a choice if you don’t presently have the gear to hit rating

[hexed wave]

most people using crit flask now? think im using potential

[swift tinsel]

Potential is potion

[abstract cosmos]

i mean if i equip haste apprently its a 1.1 decrease

does that matter

[fossil forge]

[wheat edge]

My goat

[swift tinsel]

Breakpoints make simming a little precarious

[hexed wave]

my bad didnt mean potential lol, magisters im using

[swift tinsel]

Bc the robot is better than most people at hitting globals quickly

[lilac stag]

Robot didn’t have 3 kids

[swift tinsel]

Can realistically use either

Crit for more st dmg/burst, mastery for more aoe

Not like either will crater your dps

[abstract cosmos]

also when using a second dance i noticed without blades u can do it again without putting blades on 19 seconds cd for example what causes that idk if i explained it wrong

[hexed wave]

thanks

[dusky yacht]

Guidon increases the duration of your dance

I don't really understand fully what you're saying because something doesn't make sense, but I think this answers it

It also decreases the cooldown of sectec

[abstract cosmos]

ye my explaing is a bit cooked

[dusky yacht]

But you're also using blades then

Which is prolly why you think it has something to do with blades

It doesn't, it's guidon, sectec and dance interacting

[dusky yacht]

Dw it was just as confusing for me a few weeks ago

Until I came here and asked a stupid amount of questions myself

[abstract cosmos]

this is my first ssn as rogue so getting as much info as possible

[dusky yacht]

Same

[abstract cosmos]

its just rlly hard to fit in 700 haste without losing dmg output

[dusky yacht]

Thing is, you are actually increasing your dmg output

[swift tinsel]

Most of our damage is in dance and blades so the haste makes us do the most possible during those windows

By enabling two sectechs in blades

[dusky yacht]

And more globals iirc

Like I remember when I first got the haste breakpoint and I was like "damn what is this"

[abstract cosmos]

this is me with haste pot now 😄

[dusky yacht]

Should be good

[abstract cosmos]

might change the gems around then

[glass copper]

sims say its less dps to have 700 haste, because sim only needs ~600 haste to fit max gcd's in sb/sd window. human input delay+latency makes it safer to get a little more. you can self experiment to find your comfort number, or just use 700

[dusky yacht]

This is me with only oils, no flask, but I'm 282 with myth gaze

Yeah like the bare minimum was like 684, I have 687 with oils and it's a bit sweaty tbh

I would prefer about 700ish

My next legs will give me a li'l more

[swift tinsel]

I really wouldn’t overthink secondaries too much beyond just getting 684-700 haste

[abstract cosmos]

this is my gear rn

i think its okay

[dusky yacht]

It is

[abstract cosmos]

its just hard getting used to no premed now

[dusky yacht]

Yeah honestly I wish they would just fix that shit

[abstract cosmos]

ye

[dusky yacht]

So many stupid li'l things that make no sense

[abstract cosmos]

the thing is im a pvper more then pve and every exp rogue is always and will be the same and have alot of bugs

[swift tinsel]

Yep

But you learn to live with them

[abstract cosmos]

and adapt

[swift tinsel]

Some get fixed, some get added

[tulip viper]

on pull

hard cast 7 combo ,pop the world

wait for 9 sec left and dance/sectec?

fit the 8 globals in the windows

profit?

[dusky yacht]

huh

[abstract cosmos]

if u have guidon pop it before ur cds

[swift tinsel]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[hushed roost]

how do you get the p1 debuff on platynator for crown?

[glass copper]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[swift tinsel]

In lust with proper haste you can supercharge both first and second Sectech, outside lust just the first

[tulip viper]

i really dont understand secret arts, im parsing around 80's but seem to struggle getting past it

[swift tinsel]

It’s mostly something you don’t play around

[dusky yacht]

Read the pins and read the wowhead guide

[abstract cosmos]

some how i got a 93 with premed forgot to swap it crazy

[swift tinsel]

You just finish at max cp

[deep wagon]

premeditation is not being used?

[dusky yacht]

I mean it's only a 0.9% DPS increase for me to not use premed, but still

[swift tinsel]

Unless it’s a supercharged finisher, then you force the apex proc if you don’t have the buff

[golden totem]

doesnt work with ancient art so its a small loss

[dusky yacht]

[tulip viper]

no pred on pull feels so cursed

[abstract cosmos]

yes

v

[alpine wraith]

do the fuu opener

strike guidon blades dance strike

[dusky yacht]

It's not only that, it's also The Rotten

!premed

[wicked jolt]

• The first Ancient Arts clone cannot proc while Premeditation is up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
• There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3. (This does not matter much numerically, but feels weird)

[deep wagon]

thx guys

[vale pine]

+1 this

i rly like it

[swift tinsel]

Haven’t tried that one yet

[dusky yacht]

Yo what's this brilliant move

[abstract cosmos]

wait u guidon after ur first strike ?

[swift tinsel]

I’ve just been strike bs vanish+guidon striking into blades

[dusky yacht]

Lmao fuu solved it

[vale pine]

guidon is off gcd

so you can use it with strike

[swift tinsel]

Found by delaying vanish i get a few more auto attacks to get sht before vanishing stops/pauses autos

[abstract cosmos]

wait tell me this amazing opener

[vale pine]

(puzzle box isn't)

[tulip viper]

if we dont have guidon, i assume 700 haste and cry to RNG gods?

and hope it drops next week

[swift tinsel]

800

[dusky yacht]

800 haste without guidon

[swift tinsel]

With no guidon

[tulip viper]

even flasked im 780 ish

[hexed wave]

hey guys so i was looking at the macros above, i usually have SD, SB, Potion, should i include sectec here or keep sd and sectec as a second macro

[tulip viper]

feels bad

281 ilvl

[abstract cosmos]

@vale pine whats ur opener

im intersted

[swift tinsel]

Getting good rings and neck will def help

[dusky yacht]

I would not macro dance with blades personally, you can macro potions with it though

[swift tinsel]

There’s even a delve ring that has 184 haste at hero track

[hexed wave]

gotcha okay

[swift tinsel]

You can macro dance and Sectech into blades

But you also want a dance sectech macro

[hexed wave]

yea just press blades after that macro

perf

or vice versa once that smoke pops

[dusky yacht]

This is the blades macro I'm using, it prioritises fleeting r2 > fleeting r1 > Light's potential r2 > Light's potential r1

[dusky yacht]

No, you blades before dance sectec macro

Not after

[hexed wave]

yea perf

thank you thank you

[swift tinsel]

It doesn’t really matter

[hexed wave]

guida before all this

1 sec

[lilac stag]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[vale pine]

its just an alternative to the opener.
strike+guidon-dance+blades-strike-secret

[lilac stag]

That was my cook. Thanks

[swift tinsel]

Doesn’t that put you at 4-5cp

[vale pine]

it is within low %, and it was me and scath testing openers

[swift tinsel]

Oh nvm the blades strike is 4

[lilac stag]

mmhm

[abstract cosmos]

nice was testing it and got full combo points with one strike

i hate rng

[lilac stag]

The command opener is safe and easy.

[vale pine]

haha

[swift tinsel]

Will have to practice that one for raid tonight if I don’t play sin

[vale pine]

the command one is the most consistent

[swift tinsel]

[vale pine]

also makes it easier

[lilac stag]

wtf would you knowingly play assa

[vale pine]

because you can keep using the macro for dance + secret

[dusky yacht]

Christ the shit we have to pull just to start pumping, blizzard please

[swift tinsel]

Am in memory game prison and doing first one during blades is not fun

[abstract cosmos]

if they fix premed wouldnt that make the dmg alot better

like alot no ?

[twin quartz]

I picked up sin for paladins and it took me a good 20 pulls of prog to get a decent feel for the new crimson tempest

[swift tinsel]

Literally zero other people in raid seem capable of calling out symbols and ordering people

[abstract cosmos]

i wanna learn assa but with ur big cds and ur energy starved its so hard

to do dmg for me anyways

[swift tinsel]

I never really feel energy starved as sin in raid

Keys sure bc ct is butts

[abstract cosmos]

maybe im just bad

[twin quartz]

I still don’t know why crimson tempest misses sometimes when senn charges through. Very aggravating

[abstract cosmos]

and using cds awful

[lilac stag]

Nah. Ct is butts on paladins

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-fitness-gym-workout-meme-gif-14149674

[swift tinsel]

So glad I never have to do that fight again

[twin quartz]

It’s hell

Bench all melee

They’ll be happier for it

[abstract cosmos]

wonder if they will buff assa

i hope they do

[swift tinsel]

I would be very very surprised if we get there on mythic, I’m expecting to end after saladbar or dragons