#subtlety
lilac stag
craggy fractal
Is the diamond +32 stats straight better than the crit effectiveness one now that we play with more crit or does it depend on how many gems slots we have ?
pliant shoal
Ty for the advice!
hazy breach
Is the diamond +32 stats straight better than the crit effectiveness one now tha...
Theyre about the same but the 32 one doesnt require you to have 4 different colours, aka less thinking
So why bother with more thinking when less thinking do job
azure thicket
yeah i was doing shuri/bp on mc earlier today and my overall looked okay enough
dreamy wedge
It could be better 🙂
craggy fractal
I spent some time there since voidcore released
azure thicket
im just saying they can make aoe blind baseline buff gouge
azure thicket
I spent some time there since voidcore released
good lord dude
sacred jewel
what are u aiming for
craggy fractal
everything
azure thicket
if you choose outlaw loot spec will the dagger still have a chance at dropping
limber ore
Finally got the myth guidon out the vault - do I now macro it into my SB/SD/ST?
craggy fractal
if you choose outlaw loot spec will the dagger still have a chance at dropping
nop
sacred jewel
once u go through the whole loot table, you'll get a mythic gaze surely
for the amount of dedication
azure thicket
i sent an algethar before i saw the bis gear update and got a puzzle box
grand summit
ANyone know what the general BiS Neck is outside of the Alleria one?
azure thicket
but that's not bad at all
pliant shoal
yeah i was doing shuri/bp on mc earlier today and my overall looked okay enough
I’m just lookin at the boss summary and I’m getting absolutely gapped by frost mage and devourer dh in those two-target scenarios whereas I can normally be neck and neck in ST or 5+ 😭
sacred jewel
ANyone know what the general BiS Neck is outside of the Alleria one?
it entirely depends on your stats, but i like the pit one
azure thicket
I’m just lookin at the boss summary and I’m getting absolutely gapped by frost m...
2 item levels is a lot right now
lilac stag
ANyone know what the general BiS Neck is outside of the Alleria one?
We don’t have bis. It depends on your haste and trinkets
azure thicket
don't sweat it
grand summit
We don’t have bis. It depends on your haste and trinkets
im lowk haste homeless
lilac stag
Craft a neck or farm pit
azure thicket
if trash isn't dying around your cds your overall is gonna be lower
grand summit
Craft a neck or farm pit
Im thinking put
the dagger aint bad from there either
or the pants
azure thicket
outlaw will get ahead on skyreach for example
too many sub 8 target packs to really
do anything
craggy fractal
what are u aiming for
All loots except waist/cloak were upgrades, I had the pants in my vault so I used my rolls before, got it, picked token and got dagger as my final roll (still needed a myth track weapon), so next week i'm guaranteed the ring and possibly a duplicate on the wrists since I rolled them before the fix
sacred jewel
i cant decide between avoidance myth helm and hc gaze, both sim the same...avoidance does sound good but 😔
azure thicket
leech is better
sacred jewel
All loots except waist/cloak were upgrades, I had the pants in my vault so I use...
sounds like a good plan
pliant shoal
i cant decide between avoidance myth helm and hc gaze, both sim the same...avoid...
Avoidance is for wimps. Real men die to AoE
craggy fractal
i cant decide between avoidance myth helm and hc gaze, both sim the same...avoid...
I pref leech/speed since we got feint
sacred jewel
Avoidance is for wimps. Real men die to AoE
well any tert is better than none
vale osprey
i cant decide between avoidance myth helm and hc gaze, both sim the same...avoid...
If both sim the same take the myth piece, you won't replace it, you can pug myth chim and bonus roll it
sacred jewel
but u are right
pliant shoal
well any tert is better than none
Oh yea ofc I’m just bein silly lol
sullen hare
well any tert is better than none
can't let perfect be the enemy of good 🙂
sacred jewel
did u guys actually enchant leech on ur gear
craggy fractal
ye
swift tinsel
ye
ornate ruin
@hazy breach what are your thoughts on flickerstrike over thousand cuts on beloren, can have it perma since you have infinite energy during egg burn and its contantly being refreshed
pliant shoal
If I could afford it I would
swift tinsel
basically immortal
ornate ruin
im cooking
azure thicket
im not spending 10k on hero gear for 5% leech 3% is enough
sullen hare
did u guys actually enchant leech on ur gear
yes? every drop in the bucket helps
pliant shoal
S1 enchants are expensive af
sullen hare
now you're getting it
sullen hare
any tert enchant is good
azure thicket
avoidance is good but people think it means they can ignore wasting healer cds
azure thicket
leech might keep you up if you're hitting stuff
hazy breach
<@212854714197344256> what are your thoughts on flickerstrike over thousand cuts...
It has a 5sec icd
sacred jewel
any tert enchant is good
oh im not talking about tert enchant but tert extra stat
ornate ruin
yeah but still its like 6 extra unseen blades during egg burn right?
craggy fractal
time to eat the aoe like a man
just feint, you'll always take way less damage than any other class
swift tinsel
you're getting at least 2 guaranteed from disorienting
sacred jewel
its not like im picking, but i might replace my hc gaze anyways so
swift tinsel
well, 4
sacred jewel
this is probably long term better
hazy breach
How is 6, you cant have feint up more than like 18/30 seconds?
ornate ruin
How is 6, you cant have feint up more than like 18/30 seconds?
oh yeah u right lmao
sacred jewel
healers adjust
swift tinsel
unless you're sending feints after consuming disorienting strikes
pseudo verge
I mean outside of SD it feels like i have to beg the energy bar to use feint
dreamy wedge
We are the one spec on the one season where we don't care at all pressing feints
azure thicket
I mean outside of SD it feels like i have to beg the energy bar to use feint
are you delaying shadow blades a lot too
hazy breach
oh yeah u right lmao
So its like 4, but the other talent is on average 3.375 procs AND 10% additional attack speed
azure thicket
just curious honestly
craggy fractal
I mean outside of SD it feels like i have to beg the energy bar to use feint
its not llike we're doing anything outside of SD anyway...
hazy breach
Because like, for some reason the 10% attack speed is there to make sure its just way better than the other one at all times
pliant shoal
are you delaying shadow blades a lot too
I feel like sometimes I have to because god hates us and gives us a 2min trinket with a 1m 45s CD
swift tinsel
inb4 Flicker gets the Cloud Cover glowup
vale osprey
this is probably long term better
It is
dreamy wedge
No please I miss seeing the floor
swift tinsel
(before they do anything to make DS attractive)
please never touch that tree
also funny how its going another season without seeing play
outside of very early this season
pseudo verge
Delaying only every 3rd SB by 30sec is the way for combat pot i think
raw frost
guys
azure thicket
that sounds like hero plays
raw frost
what do you think D: abbout using 2 rolls on Averzian
there is head you can make to a set and the trinl d;
its 50/50
pliant shoal
Btw has anyone else killed themselves a couple times on skyreach second boss? Whoever decided that my shadowstrike should put me in that little pool of lava needs to get fleas
dreamy wedge
Yes.
raw frost
yes when you Shadow strike move instantly back
or go with cloak
D:
or just vanish shadow strike from melee
azure thicket
we're plenny good without a combat pot for what it's worth
raw frost
Does someone used rolls for Guidon ? ;
swift tinsel
quick maths
craggy fractal
Btw has anyone else killed themselves a couple times on skyreach second boss? Wh...
yeah, some bosses port you to the center of the hitbox, always fun
azure thicket
like..blades on a caster or the ascendant voidcaller/void terror
pseudo verge
pot cd is 5
Mb 4th one
azure thicket
they're gonna drop
pseudo verge
Cant do math 
bleak wind
Because like, for some reason the 10% attack speed is there to make sure its jus...
make the procs from it go over the 1 stack like cloud and watch the madness unfold
pliant shoal
yeah, some bosses port you to the center of the hitbox, always fun
It’s hilarious too bc in the exact same dungeon, they were smart enough on the 3rd boss to not have me appear behind the giant bird which would have me fall to my death, but the second boss was just too much I guess
azure thicket
sub isn't exactly prio damage
swift tinsel
say that to a 28 stack coup
azure thicket
we don't do that very often but we do setup a lot of low target cleave shenanigans etc
it just doesn't look like it
cause your cooldowns are slamming and the meter says 500k
sacred jewel
It’s hilarious too bc in the exact same dungeon, they were smart enough on the 3...
ive been scared to shadowstep on the bird, u never know
craggy fractal
It’s hilarious too bc in the exact same dungeon, they were smart enough on the 3...
yeah, on some bosses you can use that to your advantage tho, on the Eye in SoD during shadowlands you could just shadowstep to get to the other side of the laser, probably works the same on Vora, don't know what happens if you do so tho
azure thicket
if you wanna do that sin is really fun right now like zamn 😂
dreamy wedge
ive been scared to shadowstep on the bird, u never know
I do, I live dangerously. it works.
hazy breach
make the procs from it go over the 1 stack like cloud and watch the madness unfo...
Idk i feel like its just a really annoying and unfun mechanic either way
Because if youre not taking constant ticking damage coded as aoe
sacred jewel
I do, I live dangerously. it works.
gotta FAFO ur right
hazy breach
its gonna feel like shit
It needs to be reworked similarly to how they made cloud cover not tied to distract imo
bleak wind
I mean they just added stuff so you can have a 'choice node' in the hero talents
don't think that is even usefull in pvp or anywhere else
alpine wraith
yea flicker is kinda so silly
but it comes from the creators of fatal intent
remember that one
after 4 buffs
still 0,2% dmg
swift tinsel
some say they're still searching for the missing 0's
vale osprey
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gq9U9TAGXb9zjSab4UM6dq
My bonus rolls are super fucked now, it's basically only legs from pit, legs from windrunners, cloak from MT, any catalyst chest/gloves 😭
I'm basically just rolling like a 1/8 in basically every dungeon
alpine wraith
any day now the 2 missing 0s will be found
swift tinsel
they're hidden in the Cloud
craggy fractal
It needs to be reworked similarly to how they made cloud cover not tied to distr...
I really like the facts that 1) you can't see the ground during cloud and 2) your tank can't see your cloud and just runs out
Overall a nice upgrade in the gameplay
swift tinsel
gotta search for them with settings maxed
hazy breach
I really like the facts that 1) you can't see the ground during cloud and 2) you...
It doesnt matter if you run out of the cloud though so its ok
alpine wraith
they are partying with singular focus working with sec tech and other things
hazy breach
The tooltip just lies
alpine wraith
yea they just decided fuck it we ball
alpine wraith
remember raidwide anti parry buff
craggy fractal
It doesnt matter if you run out of the cloud though so its ok
really ? thats nice to know I was just trying to keep a foot inside at all times
alpine wraith
yea now it is whatever after the "fix"
swift tinsel
now I hoard anti-parry all to myself
dreamy wedge
The tooltip just lies <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
But the enemy needs to be inside? or that's a lie too?
alpine wraith
that is a lie too
hazy breach
The tooltip does not say that
dreamy wedge
Man reading is too hard. I am gonna go ahed and punch things.
azure thicket
yeah it's uh about as well put together as boba fett's getup in return of the jedi
kitbash status
vale pine
the auto refresh when the cloud ends makes the smoke effect redundent
ripe flame
Its there for fantasy reasons (?
azure thicket
credit to whoever put it together but it's like a bunch of odd jobs mashed together into something good
like boba fett
dreamy wedge
Now I know I can just faart somehwere convinent and go dps the boss where is there is no fire I can't see.
craggy fractal
Man reading is too hard. I am gonna go ahed and punch things.
TBF they could just drop that idea of the cloud, use the Shadowmourne FX, when we press SB we get the FX, its nice, tied to us, we can see the ground and everyone is happy
azure thicket
fun fact han solo's pistol is a mauser c96 with a bunch of metal added for example >_>
vale pine
Its there for fantasy reasons (?
it is to shatter your dreams of seeing ground effects
azure thicket
vale pine
fun fact han solo's pistol is a mauser c96 with a bunch of metal added for examp...
i only know c99
sacred jewel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gq9U9TAGXb9zjSab4UM6dq
My bonus rolls ar...
hows the seat pants simming so high for u
azure thicket
chicom copy wit the stock or something :y
sacred jewel
probably because of the haste on the other pants it's devaluing
craggy fractal
it is to shatter your dreams of seeing ground effects
Yeah, petition for the SHADOWmourne FX, better than some greenish cloud that looks poisonous and ugly
vale osprey
hows the seat pants simming so high for u
I'm disregarding them, I'm at 678 haste now so really not interested in any piece that drops my haste at all
dreamy wedge
The cloud could be beautiful, I just don't like the theme of burning to death because it covers something I should see.
tulip light
swift tinsel
would be fine if its just a smokebomb flourish effect that lasts as long as the effect of BP
tulip light
sub rogue ama (im still a noob)
swift tinsel
maybe one or two seconds
vale osprey
we did it https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GTfap9HR2KZvDQcY?fight=13&type=da...
That's a LOT of add damage
dreamy wedge
Now now, no need to padshame.
vale osprey
Now now, no need to padshame.
Nah ofc, it's the way you log as sub
tulip light
its pad season my guy 🙁
sacred jewel
sub rogue ama (im still a noob)
are u using sd/st seperately and an additional sd/st macro?
tulip light
i have guidon on one button / sd + st macro / blades + pot macro
could combine blades + sd + st in theory
sacred jewel
was this one a mistake then?
tulip light
dance went off but not in range for st
also as u can see sometimes vanish -> backstab idk if its a bug or server delay or something reeeee
azure thicket
i only know c99
what even is c99 though
craggy fractal
also as u can see sometimes vanish -> backstab idk if its a bug or server delay ...
I think that happens if you press BS too fast after vanish
sacred jewel
yea idk, sometimes its a bit delayed
dreamy wedge
Why does it matters? still fits all the gcd's
vale pine
what even is c99 though
a popular standard of the c programming languarge
tulip light
Why does it matters? still fits all the gcd's
if u fit all gdcs afaik it doesnt
sacred jewel
Well, just trying to understand the context as of why it's happening
i mean realstically it probably ownt make a diff
but whether the target was out of range, or other examples
coarse hound
@vale pine Is it really worth swapping over to Outlaw from Sub if you arent really running keys any higher than 17?
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> Is it really worth swapping over to Outlaw from Sub if you...
nope
coarse hound
I just like to committ to my initial choice in a tier dont mind swapping between tiers
dreamy wedge
Well I like that sin and sub are very easy to switch now
azure thicket
yeah but also not having all three specs available this early in the mid season is nice in a way
vernal drum
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vernal drum
@wicked jolt ty
forest moss
if a fight is going to be longer than 5mins, is it worth holding your 4th SB for 2nd pot to come up?
azure thicket
no you're delaying the 5th
and if you need that 5th shadowblades and don't have it cause of an enrage
i mean what did the pot really do
but also kill times do be getting lower all the time so
hallow mortar
im thinking about sennding today paladins as sub, how much 322 is that
brisk onyx
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lean sigil
would you spend rolls in pit or sky? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9K9YPEe1jVeB9WKDAsXm1E
narrow comet
we did it https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GTfap9HR2KZvDQcY?fight=13&type=da...
Holy shit. That's DOUBLE my single target
upbeat sorrel
Chat does anyone know if the hunt embellishments stacks i.e. can I put it on both my crafted weapons instead of 1 arcanoweave
hazy breach
You can have two of them yes, but i wouldnt recommend it
As that means you arent having a 289 mainhand, which is worth more than the embellishment
edgy imp
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iwwWsMw5gvYurjs9SLt7gG still need gaze & guidon, what would you use your rolls for in my position ?
raw wadi
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iwwWsMw5gvYurjs9SLt7gG still need gaze & ...
guidon
no matter what
because for gaze you have alternatives
edgy imp
i rolled this week but got the boots 33% chance next week if i use bothe voidcores on hero raid ...
azure thicket
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iwwWsMw5gvYurjs9SLt7gG still need gaze & ...
idk i'd rather get chim's loot pool empty guidon is voidspire's 1st boss
there's a bunch of lemons for sub in the voidspire lootpool
dreamy wedge
+dont you LOVE puzzlebox?
tulip light
i rolled this week but got the boots 33% chance next week if i use bothe voidcor...
you should rly do a mythic pug if possible tho and coin that as well
edgy imp
you should rly do a mythic pug if possible tho and coin that as well
bruh i try & the ones i get in cant kill
tulip light
keep pushing champion!
edgy imp
ill try this week, i wish i could find a guild that does the first 2 mythic that would help me to gear so much
random mason
vestal escarp
!haste
wicked joltBOT
Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.
vestal escarp
!stats
wicked joltBOT
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Critical Strike > Haste(roughly 700) >= Mastery > Versatility
Mythic+: Mastery >Haste(roughly 700) >= Critical Strike > Versatility
craggy fractal
<:2ez:587982296066424843>
🥲
random mason
ironfur macro'd into every ability?
sage meteor
!fuu
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shrewd lantern
ironfur macro'd into every ability?
people do that?
narrow comet
<:2ez:587982296066424843>
I like this mog
swift tinsel
people do that?
it was the play last expansion with the talent that made it do dmg lol
maybe they never updated
azure thicket
and yeah paladin held cds for the last patch of add spawns
you can just chase meter over io rating :b
had 3m boss dam over the prot but the meter 
fallow nimbus
If you bonusroll as outlaw and next week as sub, do you get duplicates?
swift tinsel
I wouldn't imagine so
bc being one spec vs the other just turns items on/off unless they scuffed that
shouldn't generate two separate lists of available loot
bc that would be really really bad
atomic salmon
!stats
wicked joltBOT
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Critical Strike > Haste(roughly 700) >= Mastery > Versatility
Mythic+: Mastery >Haste(roughly 700) >= Critical Strike > Versatility
quartz prism
Im sure we can trust blizz on rolls not being buggy right 
fallow nimbus
Pretty much just rings are left on my roll list 
atomic salmon
!fuu
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quartz prism
Tbf my priest got 2 rolls refunded after already using them. So im at 6 rolls already
pallid jackal
For me in quick sim it is taking the rotation of SS > Burst, is that supposed to happen? I think my simmed dmg is also different than yesterday
quartz prism
<:2ez:587982296066424843>
Gnome called Wobble with that transmog. Respect king 
hazy breach
For me in quick sim it is taking the rotation of SS > Burst, is that supposed to...
If you have premed yes
random mason
Gnome called Wobble with that transmog. Respect king <:PirateHeart:5368465680374...
i have all 3 set colours plus both fish colours randomizing 
azure thicket
wait nevermind i need to move stuff before sending wedding ring https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i94J6R9NJucZr3HGWvbUY9
serene notch
!bugs
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atomic salmon
!haste
wicked joltBOT
Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.
serene notch
How does the group determine some bugs as “bugs” vs functions as designed?
atomic salmon
Hmm
hazy breach
How does the group determine some bugs as “bugs” vs functions as designed?
A bit arbitrary but if the spell doesnt function like the tooltip suggests we would typically say thats a bug
vale pine
F
serene notch
A bit arbitrary but if the spell doesnt function like the tooltip suggests we wo...
I see do community figures like yourself ever hear directly from blizzard.
vale pine
you can argue the bug is the tooltip ^^
hazy breach
I see do community figures like yourself ever hear directly from blizzard.
not really no
empty bobcat
unless you have 3500 rio
sacred jewel
u can join our club #subtlety message
serene notch
you can argue the bug is the tooltip ^^
Funny enough I had a convo at work that was something like this
fossil forge
unless you have 3500 rio
i have 3.6 and im getting declined brah shit dont change 
Maybe 4k needed
empty bobcat
T_T
fossil forge
to get the +10 insta inv
warm marlin
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remove the cloud cover duration thing I beg 😭
it hurts no one
empty bobcat
I am trying to find a decent application note
fossil forge
damageman usually works
empty bobcat
lol
fossil forge
my go-to
serene notch
not really no
That’s interesting, I wonder if the ongoing feeling that sub is a “buggy” spec stems from this community being more scrutinizing than others.
warm marlin
the only note that I have ever cared about is "cables"
sacred jewel
That’s interesting, I wonder if the ongoing feeling that sub is a “buggy” spec s...
I mean did you see the unholy DK community
warm marlin
most of them just make me not want to not take you
fossil forge
The dumber note the better
serene notch
I mean did you see the unholy DK community
I’m talking over the course of years not just any particular instance.
swift tinsel
if its a leather group lead I tell them I can trade loot lol
sand torrent
Is there some dps cheese strat I don’t know about in heroic void spire? I’m following the rotation, have the macros and consumables, and while I’m not perfect, I’m doing WAY too much to be parsing straight greys.
sacred jewel
I think it happens with every community, and all three specs being on the lower side doesn't help w the complaints
empty bobcat
I’m talking over the course of years not just any particular instance.
I thought about something like this too.... like "I share loot"
I mean I really only need it for vault and rolls
sacred jewel
the only note that I have ever cared about is "cables"
what does cables even mean
empty bobcat
cords
fossil forge
Scuffed res
empty bobcat
true
fossil forge
buy cables> into never use combo
sacred jewel
I had a guy accept me to his party, i actually asked him what made him pick me over other classes. He said "i never see any rogues i was curious how well they do"
warm marlin
a lot of key groups in the past in pugs run no brez or only one
sacred jewel
warm marlin
and then you just brick if they die
everyone can buy cables now but in df for example when it was engi specific having cables was really big
fossil forge
Jeeves pocket slave
serene notch
Bricking a key in that manner feels awful since you get so few at bats as a pug
sacred jewel
I had a premade group, we ran out of durability. One mate hearthstoned back to silvermoon to buy a repair bot, got booted out of the instance (timer), we invited him back after 2-3mins has passed and still timed the key
serene notch
1 hr in que and someone ask “does anyone have repair” after the first boss or something…..trauma
serene notch
It would be kinda sick if they gave us brez, rogues are unkillable unless you fail a mechanic
Feint high key broken
sacred jewel
Do you guys still spec into cheat death? I've been liking elusiveness
for non aoe stuff
serene notch
I like it to cheat out more damage in some fights.
sacred jewel
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dreamy wedge
I wonder @azure thicket how your char sim 30k more then mine on the same IL. I have bad trinkets but that can't make 30k can it?
well not bad, worse.
azure thicket
uptime
which is to say if we're running the same everything same number of auto attacks crits etc
trinket is gonna make the difference there
dreamy wedge
30K DPS on trinkets? not 3k, 30k.
plush roost
I wonder <@76469045766926336> how your char sim 30k more then mine on the same I...
Link your sim
azure thicket
Is there some dps cheese strat I don’t know about in heroic void spire? I’m foll...
example: if you're not dropping puddles in melee on veximus on algethar you're doing it wrong
running it out is "good" but it's not right
lilac stag
Link your sim
Prepare to be amazed by box and feather together
dreamy wedge
Hey Hey. that's not fair
azure thicket
but if everyone is dropping circles in melee like a clown show then that's bad right
lilac stag
sand torrent
example: if you're not dropping puddles in melee on veximus on algethar you're d...
Ok, so I need to be greedier
azure thicket
a lil yeah don't kill the homie next to you but yeah
dreamy wedge
I used topgear so I can put haste flask on
lilac stag
You’re ~10k off top sims at current crest cap
azure thicket
it's not greed it's uh overcoming the mechanics
sand torrent
it's not greed it's uh overcoming the mechanics
Valid
azure thicket
it's not like you're ignoring them right
sand torrent
Truuuu
azure thicket
just poop a circle on the tank
swift tinsel
wait are they comparing a st patchwork to dslice and wondering why their damage is lower
dreamy wedge
You’re ~10k off top sims at current crest cap
The sim wollmart linked was 130k on 280 IL
swift tinsel
The sim wollmart linked was 130k on 280 IL
that's a dungeon slice sim that has a mix of single target and aoe
dreamy wedge
it said patchwork 1 target?
lilac stag
No one is posting a 130k st sim. Not even Devourer.
azure thicket
You’re ~10k off top sims at current crest cap
who me? im also dumping crests into a puzzlebox for assassin
swift tinsel
dreamy wedge
I see, sorry for making a fuss
dreamy sundial
I'm gonna take a voidcore instead of puzzlebox from vault
lilac stag
Smart
azure thicket
dreamy sundial
omg that gif is exactly my feels
lilac stag
azure thicket
oh my gooooood
lavish breach
What trinkets should I try to get away sub from mythic plus? Haven't stepped into raids yet and just hit 265
dreamy sundial
dont use puzzlebox
swift tinsel
its the only good m+ on-use
lilac stag
Cruicble and any stat sticks
plush roost
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/24ie2D8AsCUjj16vD3mUxA
Everyone answered but ye patchwerk vs dslice kekw
lilac stag
get to farming 1st raid boss
azure thicket
back in df s3 i didn't understand why stormeaters boon was outsimming mydas touch in dslice
it happens
lilac stag
dreamy sundial
this is gonna be a good on use trinket in the next season
grave nexus
should i craft 2 285 daggers? or is that overkill?
cyan saddle
do you guys have any helpful tips for M dargons
dreamy sundial
should i craft 2 285 daggers? or is that overkill?
overkill
cyan saddle
gonna be starting prog on it tonight
lilac stag
Don’t die
dreamy sundial
dont die
cyan saddle
dreamy sundial
jynx
cyan saddle
you guys are exhausting lol
dreamy sundial
your face is
azure thicket
called for honestly
lilac stag
Strike + BP Is your friend.
sand torrent
Anyone got time/is willing to check out my rogues logs and tell me why I fuckin suck so I can stop fucking sucking?
azure thicket
kidding
cyan saddle
Anyone got time/is willing to check out my rogues logs and tell me why I fuckin ...
did you die?
stable dock
So puzzle box is bad for Sub rogue?
lilac stag
Dragon boss dmg. It’s honest work. 
sand torrent
did you die?
No
cyan saddle
lol
azure thicket
So puzzle box is bad for Sub rogue?
unless you know how to fake a defuse and then spray the guy in tunnels uhh maybe don't bother
but it's worth learning if you got time it's assassin's bis trinket
dreamy sundial
in theory it's really good
it's just super annoying to use
who wants to cast anything as a rogue
fuck that
chrome palm
!def
wicked joltBOT
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lilac stag
It’s a 2 minute trinket turned into a 3 minute trinket on a 90 second spec.
it’s crap.
lilac stag
dreamy sundial
you have a way with words my friend
azure thicket
what it feels like using puzzle box
stable dock
It’s a 2 minute trinket turned into a 3 minute trinket on a 90 second spec.
yea this is my issue with it but does this resolve on Assassa?
cyan saddle
it doesnt
lilac stag
yea this is my issue with it but does this resolve on Assassa?
It resolves until you hate your life choices by swapping to assa
cyan saddle
^^
azure thicket
it's a good assas trinket stuff melts everytime you use it correctly
cyan saddle
sin is what, 1.5 and 3 minutes now
azure thicket
2-4 min
warm marlin
1 and 2
lilac stag
2 minutes
azure thicket
lines up everytime
stable dock
fair point Sub is so fun to play rn but assa I just got mythic Puzzle box so trying to see if its worth to swap to other spec now Im pushing 15+ keys etc
cyan saddle
do you have the stats for sin?
lilac stag
be the changes you want to see. Play puzzle box as outlaw
stable dock
Close I have a bit to much Mastery rn but I need to replace like one or tow items
warm marlin
do you have the stats for sin?
crit haste like all of em
stable dock
be the changes you want to see. Play puzzle box as outlaw
my brain is to small for that spec lmao
dreamy sundial
Crit haste is every rogue spec now right
and then vers for outlaw and mastery for sin/sub
lilac stag
Just roll face and pray to rng gods
cyan saddle
do we want crit haste or crit haste?
warm marlin
and then vers for outlaw and mastery for sin/sub
yes
dreamy sundial
haste/crit and then crit/haste
red flame
do we want crit haste or crit haste?
We want haste/crit
warm marlin
although outlaw wants a lot of crit
stable dock
I thought with Sub you only wanted till 700 Haste then everything else be Crit/Mastery?
dreamy sundial
thats a ton of haste tho
cyan saddle
got it vers/mastery
stable dock
So haste is just prio until you get 700 haste then its crit/Mastery?
dreamy sundial
my sub stats unbuffed
cyan saddle
too much haste no?
dreamy sundial
its just enough
lilac stag
although outlaw wants a lot of crit
I think at 40 crit it wanted my to haste flask. 
azure thicket
it's good without guidon
warm marlin
40 crit is crazy
azure thicket
mastery is low but that'll go up as gear increases
warm marlin
but im also playing haste flask at like 38%
dreamy sundial
I have ilvl 278 o_o
cyan saddle
it's good without guidon
pffft imagine not having guidon
dreamy sundial
my ilvl isnt going up anymore
azure thicket
yeah good job 
stable dock
I have yet to step into the raid I need to lol those trinket seems worth it
sick epoch
is premed bugg gona be fixed someday? XD
cyan saddle
I have ilvl 278 o_o
start doing keys lil bro
plush roost
40 crit is crazy
My assa setup has 42.5% crit
cyan saddle
cata the rolls and vault
lilac stag
but im also playing haste flask at like 38%
We got 5 pulls in on paladins after reclear. Jackpot and healer dies. Chaining 1 and 2 buffs. We prog half the fight. I’m done
dreamy sundial
cata the rolls and vault
I am doing keys? 2900 rating
warm marlin
My assa setup has 42.5% crit
ye i have like 25% haste with flask
pliant canopy
Is there a way to track re rolls yet?
dreamy sundial
this is fine o_O
swift tinsel
think I'm just shy of 37% crit with flask
stable dock
my sub stats unbuffed
So I just need to drop some mastery for more crit strike?
swift tinsel
as sub, forgor what it was as sin
plush roost
ye i have like 25% haste with flask
Im finding 22.5% haste in keys just fine for law
dreamy sundial
dont listen to me @stable dock
warm marlin
ur insane
plush roost
Maybe im just built diff
dreamy sundial
I am a filthy casual
stable dock
ah ok lol
swift tinsel
you're gonna get outlaw nerfed too watch out
plush roost
Wtb eye of midnight
stable dock
u must be more to be 277+ lol
warm marlin
the dungeonroute sims zac showed wanted haste to like 28% since you start running out of thistle tea
plush roost
Amazing
dreamy sundial
really not
azure thicket
So I just need to drop some mastery for more crit strike?
get the champ track crucible of erratic energies from the rep vendor if you have it unlocked or solarflare prism from skyreach to replace latch's hook double on use isn't played this season
cyan saddle
Wtb eye of midnight
i think thats just a nickname for booty hole
what do i know though
stable dock
get the champ track crucible of erratic energies from the rep vendor if you have...
I have hero solarflare but it sims worse than the hook?
warm marlin
Maybe im just built diff
dreamy sundial
I dont raid, I do like 5 mythic dungeons a week and I sit around silvermoon a ton
plush roost
the dungeonroute sims zac showed wanted haste to like 28% since you start runnin...
I have an assa cook i need to try in real keys but it may cause whispyr an aneruism
azure thicket
I have hero solarflare but it sims worse than the hook?
is it fully upgraded?
stable dock
is it fully upgraded?
no its 3/6 hero while hook is 1/6 mythic
azure thicket
ohh yeah okay
warm marlin
I have an assa cook i need to try in real keys but it may cause whispyr an aneru...
will he ever be freed of outlaw players coming in with cooks
stable dock
ohh yeah okay
Ill use hero crests and upgrade it and see how it sims or can I tell sim to make it max lvl?
hazy breach
this is gonna be a good on use trinket in the next season
Trinket looks good but the amount of crit it gives is a bit iffy
plush roost
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iyrRSnFq8r8gUxQqNqVC6q <:shh:128890076700...
Wtf u are powerfuk
warm marlin
yes!
hazy breach
That trinket gives like 20% less stats on-use than guidon at the same ilvl, which is a bit strange
warm marlin
130 soon
azure thicket
Ill use hero crests and upgrade it and see how it sims or can I tell sim to make...
no i wouldn't maybe craft some pants honestly if you have 80 myth crests
plush roost
will he ever be freed of outlaw players coming in with cooks
Hear me out. DS scent of blood regicides reward no dtb kingsbane 7 seconds into deathmark for 30% lingering darkness amp at 50 stacks
azure thicket
dslice might prefer double on use but keep in mind it's not a whole dungeon
warm marlin
i dont know what those words mean i dont play that spec
stable dock
no i wouldn't maybe craft some pants honestly if you have 80 myth crests
okie I have 70 rn was debating crafting something or sinking it into upgrading a mythic armor
plush roost
i dont know what those words mean i dont play that spec
Thats probably for the best bro
stable dock
no i wouldn't maybe craft some pants honestly if you have 80 myth crests
ty for help friend gl in your climb / playing!
azure thicket
yeah craft pants if you're out of voidcores if you have 2 chase a raid trinket with 1 send it on a m+ key
dreamy sundial
Trinket looks good but the amount of crit it gives is a bit iffy
good cooldown tho and crit will be way more at high ilvl ofc
azure thicket
gl
stable dock
yeah craft pants if you're out of voidcores if you have 2 chase a raid trinket w...
yee I have not used reolls yet I might even step into raid if first boss is the one who drops BIS trinket lol
hazy breach
good cooldown tho and crit will be way more at high ilvl ofc
At 289 guidon gives 677 haste.
This trinket at 289 gives 531 crit
Its undertuned is my point
azure thicket
Hear me out. DS scent of blood regicides reward no dtb kingsbane 7 seconds into ...
i tried trickster bleed build in a low key and it was okay
dreamy sundial
At 289 guidon gives 677 haste.
This trinket at 289 gives 531 crit
fair point
plush roost
i tried trickster bleed build in a low key and it was *okay*
Trickster bleed... the forbidden texts
dreamy sundial
I stand corrected Eleem
look, I am a feelycraft person. Theorycrafting is for nerds
hazy breach
But yeah if it gave the same amount of stats as guidon does then it would indeed be very very good
swift tinsel
ye
dreamy sundial
ah, I should probably just start raiding heroic or something for that
cunning goblet
is light company guldon hc better than algethar puzzle myth?
lilac stag
Yes
swift tinsel
if you're gonna kill any two bosses in raid weekly its probs chim and imperator til you have gaze and guidon
azure thicket
yeah puzzle box is currently https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1483995021903396994/puzzlebox.gif?ex=69f353d0&is=69f20250&hm=34c8475fe66deb19bcd9265956127e4bb91833de782430954dcee8ea36f73a95&
for sub anyway
spice matrix
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iyrRSnFq8r8gUxQqNqVC6q <:shh:128890076700...
huntless?
dreamy sundial
I have gaze on heroic lvl
dreamy sundial
with leech
warm marlin
i didnt have crests to make another one
spice matrix
130easy next week
warm marlin
oh ya
i get achieve and will have 6 rolls for pit if my ticket goes through
i will be 287
spice matrix
azure thicket
need 240 myth crests to shuffle gear around for outlaw
spice matrix
@warm marlin did you guys kill lura or progging
warm marlin
progging
were like 5s from hitting p2 for first time yesterday after reclear
maybe dies end of next week
unsure
if we hit the may 11 reset with 298 weapon it will just go big kaboom
spice matrix
Law from here on out?
gilded thistle
crystal bone
vale pine
yeah puzzle box is currently https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073...
^ me as soon as i got guidon
vale pine
nice?
shrewd lantern
vale pine
is the set worth to use?
shrewd lantern
had to hold my vault since the ring was in there
shrewd lantern
is the set worth to use?
about as much as instant poison
vale pine
it also has vers iirc
open depot
is the set worth to use?
shrewd lantern
no
vale pine
ye, it did not sim that high
shrewd lantern
crit/haste and haste/mast
warm marlin
Law from here on out?
been law for all of lura
crude cloak
Hey guys what do you do on 2nd boss seat do u powder spam or do u just full single target one
shrewd lantern
okay, maybe worth it then
its weird since sim constantly wants to drop haste
open depot
Sim wants me to drop below 700
atomic bobcat
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
open depot
feels hella awkward to play very tightly around 700 haste doesnt give much room for human mistakes
warm marlin
simply do not make mistakes 
crude cloak
I’m just kinda lost with council bosses what we do
hazy breach
Press BP and be sad
crude cloak
Wouldn’t sin be better?
hallow mortar
Damn i tried sub on paladins and i beat tanks only 😄
vale pine
Damn i tried sub on paladins and i beat tanks only 😄
just like it should ^^
(blizz send a hefty aoe/cleave nerf week 1 to bring subtlety in line with other classes/specs)
hallow mortar
I was like "give it one try and see " and we killed first pull
vale pine
the fight is luckily easy enough
hallow mortar
Wasn't even the worse like 70% parse
tepid trellis
(blizz send a hefty aoe/cleave nerf week 1 to bring subtlety in line with other ...
was week 0
hallow mortar
Yeah with the buffs the paladins are super easy now.
tepid trellis
we didn't even get to start the season
hallow mortar
Its fine i dont mind playing asaa once a week
uncut token
Hello guys ! Was outlaw until now and will try to switch on sub for BeloRen (Myth). What are the main thing to track with the cd manager ?
minor osprey
is premed broken
vale pine
we didn't even get to start the season
you are correct, arrays start with 0 ^^
minor osprey
why are we not taking it
hallow mortar
Somehow parsed 99 on volarius withnout dh and hunter buff tho 😄
vale pine
jokes aside, it is weird that they haven't followed up with adjustments
given the fairly targeted nerf
which was very quickly shown to be too high
hallow mortar
They are probably "happy" with our pad/st approach and nothing in between
serene notch
We go crazy on the double dragons boss
pseudo verge
Hello guys ! Was outlaw until now and will try to switch on sub for BeloRen (Myt...
Shadow Dance, Secret techniques spell, Shadowblade, Vanish
For buffs im tracking, secret techniques buff, coup de grace, and shuriken storm crit buff
vale pine
They are probably "happy" with our pad/st approach and nothing in between
i don't think so
think one of the in between lines messages of midnight was that they want to generalize things more
which should mean not having clear weaknesses for specs
pseudo verge
2-3 target is the worst as sub rogue
dusky yacht
think one of the in between lines messages of midnight was that they want to gen...
And then they do the exact opposite
pseudo verge
but as mentioned, it is this bad because of a day 0 patch
What was it?
Started playing rogue like 2 weeks into midnight
vale pine
What was it?
they nerfed black powder and nimble flurry heavily
grim wasp
just took shield on warrior instead of occlusion ring mythic now time to see what my rogue was blessed with
pallid jackal
For me in quick sim it is taking the rotation of SS > Burst, is that supposed to...
I imported the talent tree again from method and it seems to be working
for anyone if same prob
grim wasp
Got myth boot and well shoulders are everywhere i take hero guildon right?
i have myth boot already
vale pine
they nerfed black powder and nimble flurry heavily
^ basically it was like this
blizz seemingly took data from pre raid dungeons for tuning
grim wasp
vale pine
subtlety has, due to its design, good burst
the pre raid dungeons ended up very easy
so things died quick
we, as a community assume, this would be considered
grim wasp
heroic guildon right? i got puzzlebox and gaze both hero
vale pine
"they know this, right?"
but the balancing team seemingly did not, and thus nuked our cleave damage
hollow quest
heroic guildon right? i got puzzlebox and gaze both hero
For your own sanity go with guidon over box
vale pine
tho this isn't as noticable in the raid, because most fights, especially on lower difficulties don't have sustained cleave
only fight it is noticable is paladins
and fights like paladins, are likely ignored for tuning purposes
grim wasp
For your own sanity go with guidon over box
I like box was thinking if i take the token and go bonus roll it or just take guildon and well what i am going to use token for
pastel sentinel
Can anyone confirm that it's better to go for the haste breakpoint even over raidbots? It keeps recommending me lower haste combinations
vale pine
given that these fights always had heavy outliners
yes
its better to go for the 700/800 haste breakpoint
grim wasp
For your own sanity go with guidon over box
ill just take guildon i think
hollow quest
I like box was thinking if i take the token and go bonus roll it or just take gu...
I mean I would sim it in your case tbh but I think guidon overall will perform better
warm marlin
they nerfed black powder and nimble flurry heavily
#revertnimble
pseudo verge
but the balancing team seemingly did not, and thus nuked our cleave damage
Well 3/4 of the players doesnt know this so i would assume blizzard does neither
warm marlin
would not be a problem if strike and evis cleaved
pseudo verge
Arguing with somebody that sub rogue is broken in +10 when packs die in 10 seconds is something
void ocean
but the balancing team seemingly did not, and thus nuked our cleave damage
u mean AI xD
azure thicket
700
grim wasp
vale pine
u mean AI xD
we are in spicy teretory
grim wasp
700 with guildon and 800 without guildon?
azure thicket
mhm
rigid delta
why would my sims tell me to use vers/haste gems? surely something wrong
azure thicket
no 4 set or something is actually going weird style
azure thicket
nah that's fine
shrewd lantern
wild how much people overthink stats
grim wasp
no i need to remove 44 i oil my weapon
azure thicket
only reason we want 700 is to reduced hasted talents cds
which i think is sec tec
so you get 2 during blades
grim wasp
wild how much people overthink stats
if i need 700 and i got 718 i need to fix bro
azure thicket
yeah you could buy uh spensive wetstones
grim wasp
44 haste too much considering i oil weapon
azure thicket
but you're losing crit
rigid delta
Adamantine Sharpening Stone still 'better'?
grim wasp
yeah you could buy uh spensive wetstones
whats that?
shrewd lantern
I mean then shift it somewhere else if it doesnt cost agi
dusky yacht
Tiny bit of more haste is really not gonna harm you at all on the contrary I'm pretty sure
shrewd lantern
but its not going to do much
dusky yacht
I'm at 687 and it's sweaty af
grim wasp
Tiny bit of more haste is really not gonna harm you at all on the contrary I'm p...
if im already fast better i hit harder
dusky yacht
if im already fast better i hit harder
You're talking about like what 0.2% crit
azure thicket
whats that?
in the sim there's bis phoenix oil which adds haste and crit and whetstones afair which add attack power
dusky yacht
Better to make sure you fit the second sectec in properly
azure thicket
which is some esoteric multiplier from 15 years ago
rn just doing haste/crit scales better but last season attack power whetstones were played
dusky yacht
shrewd lantern
we played oil last season
azure thicket
yeah right at the end of s3
grim wasp
in the sim there's bis phoenix oil which adds haste and crit and whetstones afai...
didnt know whetstone existed im going to check ah
timid rose
Arguing with somebody that sub rogue is broken in +10 when packs die in 10 secon...
feels really bad when everythingg is dead and I still have 5-10 seconds of blades left
shrewd lantern
nah from the start
azure thicket
rec was algari whetstone or something for the seasons before that and oil was less than half a percentage upgrade in s3
grim wasp
yeah right at the end of s3
why its so expensive? can i oil and also put wheystone?
azure thicket
wasn't gonna fix a ret forcing a 3 phase on that halls of atonement miniboss :c
yeah you can mix and match
bubbling wax was played for a while
shrewd lantern
i used whetstones outside of raid because cheap
azure thicket
was blacksmith so i made r3 whetstones and ran it
grim wasp
can we put it with oil?
shrewd lantern
bruh
azure thicket
ye each weapon can have a separate property
shrewd lantern
askin shit like you just started wow
azure thicket
make sure it's current expansion
grim wasp
askin shit like you just started wow
i didnt play since legion was not oiling weapon back then i think
i just discovered about wheystone like 10 mins ago
azure thicket
master of puppets has some good guitar riffs :>
grim wasp
azure thicket
ye check the wowhead guides
grim wasp
ye each weapon can have a separate property
usually i put oil on both can i oil and sharpen both?
azure thicket
they wrote a rule of thumb guide there
swift tinsel
stone mh oil offhand
azure thicket
it's good
grim wasp
let me check
swift tinsel
can only have one temp enchant
grim wasp
double oil was stacking or i was wasting oil?
shrewd lantern
adamantite mh
grim wasp
always put oil on both my weapons
azure thicket
1 oil 1 weapon
night sluice
before 12.0.5 there was a trickster st build and a cleave build for raid, its it only one now?
grim wasp
i see so 1 weapon oiled 1 weapon weystone
shrewd lantern
by cleave build you mean we swapped one talent?
quaint breach
we running acuity of the ren'dorei on both weps now? even for m+?
shrewd lantern
weaponmaster for pp
grim wasp
Thanks guys
swift tinsel
i see so 1 weapon oiled 1 weapon weystone
make sure stone is on mainhand
alpine wraith
the puzzler
swift tinsel
kind of a huge vault
night sluice
by cleave build you mean we swapped one talent?
haha maybe it was 🤣 I just copied the build and never checked the diff
shrewd lantern
azure thicket
bro it's thursday
swift tinsel
heckin nice
shrewd lantern
haha maybe it was 🤣 I just copied the build and never checked the diff
i mean if its mythic
if heroic i dont bother swapping off
azure thicket
i'd get the neck and bonus roll algethar honestly unless you got salhadaar on farm ._.
night sluice
if heroic i dont bother swapping off
aight
shrewd lantern
i mean granted i have no reason to do hc
maybe attempt alleria neck but already got salhadaar’s on mythic
grim wasp
heckin nice
for the haste do i remove haste in a gem?
swift tinsel
for the haste do i remove haste in a gem?
you can
shrewd lantern
If you care that much on a piece you wont be replacing
swift tinsel
shuffling gems is an easy way to add or drop haste
shrewd lantern
also just realized im full mythic gear now just missing crests
swift tinsel
if you can't outright swap items
grim wasp
If you care that much on a piece you wont be replacing
I login just to change stats , do raid and 10 M+ a week
shrewd lantern
hallow mortar
how much ilvl you have
hallow mortar
im 283.5 and missing 3 slots
grim wasp
280 here
swift tinsel
I'm 282 everything maxed, just need to get occlusion and replace the remaining hc slots with myth
shrewd lantern
yeah i got gear in bags but lack crests
swift tinsel
can swap bracers to myth once I get a socket
shrewd lantern
I login just to change stats , do raid and 10 M+ a week
you only need 8
swift tinsel
mentally preparing to farm and roll npx
hallow mortar
we never dropped mythic guidon, and first coin gave me boots second head
grim wasp
you only need 8
i try to do a higher key on 2 dung a week
grim wasp
i have no plans to do above 16 for now
shrewd lantern
10-15 is like the cesspit of shitters
swift tinsel
I try and rely on guild 12's just for ez runs
grim wasp
lazy this week i guess
swift tinsel
but if they don't have the key(s) I'm hunting its off to the trenches
shrewd lantern
btw
swift tinsel
other dps have been the issue in my pugs
shrewd lantern
its both
swift tinsel
outside first pull seat most tanks have been pretty solid
swift tinsel
though did a 12 spire yesterday and tank had full count before getting to orcs, then proceeded to pull every single orc pack in the entire wing
swift tinsel
when we could have shrouded to ogre
swift tinsel
I have used shroud once this season by being asked
shrewd lantern
no the few times it gets asked it always gets bricked
grim wasp
when i play tank most rogues i get in party are animals
i was taking rogue at the start now with higher keys i take dh mage and dk on warrior
grim wasp
i take highest ilvl ones and i know its fast dung
shadow ivy
bad devourers are really bad
swift tinsel
bad ddh is bad, bad tanks also made ddh's look bad if they're mediocre
shrewd lantern
so red flag
swift tinsel
if you pull big/consistently for ddh they're huge
swift tinsel
morc transmog all shoulders nothing else
shrewd lantern
i just use the t10 gimpsuit helm
swift tinsel
goofiest models
swift tinsel
they're just a bad frame for armor
grim wasp
well zoom out not as if i look at the char
raw mantle
only took 6 kills
swift tinsel
female undead done dirty by animation changes
shrewd lantern
Well yeah wcyd
swift tinsel
they do have the most fun run animation though
and goblins have the best stealth animation
shrewd lantern
the orc run animation looks like man is trying to find a toilet
grim wasp
I would not feel well playing a female char so i stick to male char
swift tinsel
should make racials into a choice
would be nice
can pick one combat one passive/qol racial
from any
swift tinsel
wouldn't mind if you could customize body types more
quite surprised you can't actually with how old the game is
grim wasp
yeah male races in wow are all bodybuilders
blood elf are not i think
hazy breach
Panda male comes out on top as per usual
swift tinsel
panda male is how I feel irl
shrewd lantern
Yeah but fem belf looks better
hazy breach
!premed
wicked joltBOT
- The first Ancient Arts cannot proc while Premeditation is up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
- There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3. (This does not matter much numerically, but feels weird)
swift tinsel
I've been strike->bs->vanish+striking and it feels pretty good
gives a chance to proc sht before vanish stops auto attacks
swift tinsel
bc it feels way different than premed which people are used to for quite a while
shrewd lantern
it used to not give full pts
graceful rock
Is it cope to like strike, Evis, vanish strike, bs
shrewd lantern
just +2
graceful rock
Get snd up for more shts
swift tinsel
that wasn't the question
shrewd lantern
it didnt give full pts
swift tinsel
and was asking if it hasn't been taken since the change years ago
because that's a relevant point
shrewd lantern
idk i feel sub opener is different
swift tinsel
was changed to grant full cp in 2024
shrewd lantern
literally every patch
nowadays prem gives full on any builder though
i think it was limited to strike prior
alpine wraith
yea for a while it was only strike
swift tinsel
in 10.2 it was strike only and granted 2cp if snd was up
then 11.0 it was any builder granted full cp
shrewd lantern
in 10.2 it was strike only and granted 2cp if snd was up
yeah this
swift tinsel
but its gonna feel pretty noticable if you aren't getting full cp after getting it for almost 2 years
whether the rest of the opener changes or not
swift tinsel
okay?
shrewd lantern
prem change imo would be more noticeable if we didnt have infinite shadowtech in dances
swift tinsel
you just ruptured after flag from getting full cp anyways
its only really felt in the opener
when you don't have sht stacks
which is the complaint
craggy fractal
tbf strike -> bs bs bs bs -> CDs gives me classic feelings
shrewd lantern
which is pretty insignificant
swift tinsel
but also noticable
shrewd lantern
idk people can play prem its not gamebreaking
swift tinsel
because its different than every single other pre-dance/cd/etc
shrewd lantern
imo not as jarring as going instantly into blast
from entire expac of prep globals
swift tinsel
because you're not doing the kind of prep you were before when you had flag, symbols, etc
its literally just extra builders
twilit orbit
ok
swift tinsel
its a totally different sequence mechanically
shrewd lantern
point is its just another iteration
twilit orbit
whats the highest dmg opener
swift tinsel
you said you didn't understand the complaints
shrewd lantern
whats the highest dmg opener
backstabbing to full after shadowstrike
hazy breach
!opener
wicked joltBOT
The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns
shrewd lantern
that also works but isnt it slightly less damage
hazy breach
Not really
shrewd lantern
i said slightly only because
vanishing between dances might give you another strike
in cloudcover
twilit orbit
if youre using box and not guidon
vale pine
box feels worse to use tho
shrewd lantern
i’ve yet to notice
twilit orbit
jokes on me
swift tinsel
cast times for melee = stinky
shrewd lantern
unless i try to box