subtlety

[tribal blade]

yeah it's good for sure

[lilac stag]

Copy pasta usually not good

[tribal blade]

it's very dangerous going into that build unless you know your tank will pull like in rank 1 keys

[lilac stag]

I think guidon is better in all keys. Box dumps you at or over mastery dr and your dropping haste for crit now which just cucks the boss dmg

[tribal blade]

any low target cleave situation and pure ST

you're just kinda sad

[lilac stag]

You’re also not holding blades which is now really fucking good

[tribal blade]

i was never fully convinced running box over guidon in keys

[lilac stag]

Math doesn’t math to run it. It’s like girl math but for keys

[tribal blade]

it for sure simmed better before .5 patch

[lilac stag]

I’m talking in the now

[tribal blade]

but now i doubt it's worth

yeah

[whole willow]

Question on cleave bosses, like Krick and Saprish. I know our cleave isn't great, but what is the best approach?

Just single target and rotate through?

SS/BS and Shuriken Storm?

Or Black Powder/SS?

Or something else I'm missing.

[tribal blade]

just do your regular cleave rotation

i think using strike or storm is kinda w/e diff on 3 targets

[solid vale]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

Strike > BP, storm out of dance

[whole willow]

So strike out of dance. BP/Storm in Dance?

[tribal blade]

other way around

[whole willow]

Oh, got it, I read scAth's message wrong

I'm bad at punctuation

[lilac stag]

Strike the higher health target basically is all there is to it

[untold fern]

in m+ build is it better to run the Finality talent or veiltouched?

[shrewd lantern]

current build takes both

[untold fern]

im not seeing people take both tho, so what would i need to drop

[shrewd lantern]

yeah tfd is a personal choice

also eww premed

[untold fern]

i dont like backstabbing till 7cp

the very small dps lost means nothing for me

[shrewd lantern]

you dont do that in keys

build with storm

[stoic anchor]

I'm at resi 17 atm but kind of struggling with 18s. Admitedly most pugs always , ALWAYS have 1 person who doesn't belong there but-

I'm not feeling this new sub tbh. I like it better when it was full mastery haste

[shrewd lantern]

its literally the same braindead ss bp spam

with more burst

[stoic anchor]

I feel like LIKE ALWAYS WE GET SLOWLY SURPASSED BY OTHER META CLASSES

sub was s++ tier for 1 week. What a joke:(

[shrewd lantern]

whats new

[stoic anchor]

Bp deals waaay less dmg now that we are not so heavy into mastery

Even tho i play rly well between shadowblades we are uf...

[untold fern]

i like the new build but i hate when tank decides to move right when you pop and now you cant use cloud clover

[lucid jackal]

U can just go more into mastery

[shrewd lantern]

crit and mastery were already close in the patch

[lucid jackal]

Crit was already better on ST last patch

Its just crit is even better now

[shrewd lantern]

only difference is sometimes your sb variance on st is bigger

due to strike crits freight training

[stoic anchor]

Survival got giga buffed it's omega sleeper OP

Unholys and rets and ww and surv all are better in keys.. and even good ferals

[shrewd lantern]

not sure how people got this idea

that crit was bad

it literally wasnt

[stoic anchor]

Yoda put sub in b tier and i kinda agree:( unlucky:(

Low key feels like assa is better due to dmg profile and outlaw is way above

[shrewd lantern]

imagine basing your opinion off content creators

[final agate]

If the tier list says so, then it must be true.

[shrewd lantern]

i mean i do some sin keys

because ss bp spam

makes me fall asleep

after a few

[short radish]

tier lists are memes but yeah that one is kinda true

if sub was in any tier

it'd be in b tier

[shrewd lantern]

content creators also say sub was a funnel spec

post bfa

[final agate]

[shrewd lantern]

love little fotm rogue alts being “ethical” hitting evis over bp

on 10t

and unironically pressing kidney

[final agate]

Fact is, all three specs are doing pretty well. Play what you click with.

[shrewd lantern]

i mean ill play all 3 since this is the easiest season to play them

just need to swap mh and 2nd trinket

[keen dome]

Someday I will make that website that produces a tier list with a seed when you visit it. And everybody gets a different seed so a different list..

[shrewd lantern]

its incredible some people still dont understand

the purpose of farming clicks

and think these metrics are for player interest

[keen dome]

Ye

[solar glen]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[shrewd lantern]

like im genuinely concerned how someone over the age of 18

[keen dome]

But people also don't understand they can come to their own conclusions, and that learning the why of something i.e., how stats benefit us, is better than just mindlessly slammining a biS list.

[shrewd lantern]

Isn’t aware of these basic concepts.

[keen dome]

Just do the thing you wanna do. You can do that!

I'm running premed 'cos it's comfy for me.

is it optimal? no. Do I care? also no.

[shrewd lantern]

I cant say i’ve noticed a difference

so i choose not to play it

[keen dome]

Making those kind of decisions is good and cool

[shrewd lantern]

there are alot of decisions you can make

that arent optimal

even race of your char

is one

[keen dome]

Yeah, although I argue in 99.9% of circumstances your race choice doesn't matter.

And you should just play what you find best yourself.

[shrewd lantern]

Neither does using premed or not

for the most part

[keen dome]

Yeah!

[shrewd lantern]

but i feel people blow it out of proportion

a slightly slower opener

i only notice in open world

[keen dome]

I find it very awkward in raid, and fiddly in open world. In keys it's entirely unnoticable.

[fossil forge]

good morning i would like to announce that i am a proud petko tierlist follower

[keen dome]

what's a petko

[fossil forge]

anlaki bro doesnt know

[shrewd lantern]

is petko that bald guy

[fossil forge]

The bald guy posting tierlists on tiktok yes

[keen dome]

there are many things I don't know.

[shrewd lantern]

Ngl i just associate bald guys

with mr clean

is that bad

[fossil forge]

look it up you will laugh

[shrewd lantern]

only entertaining wow creator is pilav

granted im amazed hes not canceled yet

for manging to slide in a racist or sexist joke every 2 minutes

in a video

[fossil forge]

Im sorry but i cant watch a guy that spent 3 days building a staircase

[shrewd lantern]

I cant take wow creators seriously in general

why would i watch someone

play this intern developed game

[fossil forge]

to learn !!!

[shrewd lantern]

yk

[keen dome]

There' some creators I like, who do stuff like secrets or gimmick content or like, tettels M+ zero to hero stuff is fun.

[fossil forge]

zac best wow streamer.. no words only assaulting mobs and music on blast

[shrewd lantern]

i’d love guide videos more if 90% of them werent made

from tank povs

i cant see shit with this terrible pov

[wraith sphinx]

Brother no.....

[keen dome]

I'm from the generation where all our guides were from gamefaq's and someone spent so much time and effort on them.

[shrewd lantern]

i mean taking wow creators seriously is your first mistake

gromnak reacts>>>>

[keen dome]

if you think about it we're all creating wow content with our posts

[wraith sphinx]

Gamefaqs when it was good

[shrewd lantern]

anytime i hear a tettles opinion

[wraith sphinx]

I hop on there when I'm looking for something for an obscure game and all I see is arguing or "works on my machine"

[keen dome]

I wanted to be a content creator at one point but then I realized I'm not that interesting

[shrewd lantern]

i genuinely dont get how anyone watches yoda

bro has the most soulless monotone voice

[short radish]

good content even though he's a p*sher

also he used to be rogue

[shrewd lantern]

wasnt bro a bfa outlaw

doesnt count

[short radish]

idk i followed him in DF or something

and he was doing sub stuff

tuned in 2 seasons later to see him on tank

which i guess is how all rogues end up turning out

amirite @quaint lodge

[shrewd lantern]

well

most good tanks started as melee

no one willingly starts as tank

[quaint lodge]

sadly man

i love rogue but man u cannot play M+ as a dps player if u wanna actually play game

just play tank/healer and insta queue

also i just simmed myself, and my biggest upgrade for the rest of the season allegedly comes from vorasius bracers

[short radish]

that's why i just don't play the game

[quaint lodge]

lmfao

[keen dome]

Once they add a rogue tank spec....

[quaint lodge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uD2G5EYQ8ZGAgNQcXL5v6L

[short radish]

cant lose if you don't play the game

[shrewd lantern]

assuming you dont have a regular tank to play with

last time i did my tank got chat silenced though

for slurs

[short radish]

[shrewd lantern]

[keen dome]

that's not good

[quaint lodge]

[keen dome]

it's pretty easy to not get chat silenced in WoW...

[shrewd lantern]

i had a dk pvp friend

who got it every other week

[keen dome]

lmao

[quaint lodge]

fimbul i got refund after getting mythic gaze

what do i send my bonus rolls on

[keen dome]

Well they're a pvper so that tracks

[shrewd lantern]

every good pvp dk i meet is a sociopath

idk why

[quaint lodge]

every good pvp player * is a sociopath

[shrewd lantern]

knew a guy who threatened to beat some guy up

at the bcon parking lot

[shrewd lantern]

raid with Grey

[shrewd lantern]

i knew a priest

who liked using a certain nono word

as a noun verb and adjective

[keen dome]

smh

[olive canyon]

Anyone got a quick simple addon for a combat timer, that is not Naoh's

[shrewd lantern]

It's the NA special

europeans its usually asking one their opinion about romani

[keen dome]

Yeah, the GRT dispora does seem to be the one that people think it's okay to be racist against. It's very tiring.

[short radish]

puzzlebox

for birb

or an outlaw weap

if you wanna play that on lura

[keen dome]

I'm on team cool rings

[short radish]

or yeah get cool rings from nexus

[quaint lodge]

i fucking GRIEFEDDDDD my vualt ofr an outlaw wepaon

so now i have that

[keen dome]

You have a 1/7 chance for a cool ring right now

[short radish]

guess you roll rings/pbox

[quaint lodge]

laughing both my rings are myth

idt it'd be worth it to get ring

[shrewd lantern]

i got the weapon

now only grief item i can get from xenas is gloves

[short radish]

if both rings are myth then even better since it doesnt cost to swap rings around

as needed

[keen dome]

damn, winning.

[quaint lodge]

one is crafted one is algethar band

[keen dome]

Fim has a good point though

[short radish]

i always do

[keen dome]

what if the proc from them comes in clutch and blows up lura

what if

[quaint lodge]

remember that time u called me a slur in a key fimbul.

was it a good point then too.

[short radish]

yeah?

[keen dome]

slur slur or australian slur

[quaint lodge]

he called me an american

it was crazy

[keen dome]

oh, damn.

[hollow spear]

With a hard r?

[keen dome]

you can't just do that to someone on the internet man.

[quaint lodge]

yea fimbul.

[short radish]

i acutally do that in WS

"kill the american"

[shrewd lantern]

the day i learned the unique aussie offensive terms

like someone calling me a word that starts with a

[short radish]

nah if australians want to derogatory an american, they'd call you a seppo

[quaint lodge]

guys is 600 mastery on outlwa good or no

thoughts?

[shrewd lantern]

nah the guy said a shorthand

for the native aussie group

[short radish]

oh

[hollow spear]

I mean there's still people getting offended at being called c*nt in a non offensive way

[short radish]

that

[keen dome]

That's always an interesting cultural thing.

[short radish]

this is why i try and make my slurs non racial

like calling someone a drongo

[hollow spear]

I take that as a badge of honour

[shrewd lantern]

i've never heard someone being called c*nt offensive

[keen dome]

Aussie? normal lingo. UK? Swear, but not a big one.

[shrewd lantern]

if the receiver is male

idk

[keen dome]

Scottish? Closer to Aussie

[hollow spear]

C*nt = mate

[shrewd lantern]

in aussie yeah

[keen dome]

old mate = better mate?

[short radish]

nah old mate is sometimes derogatory

[keen dome]

I love australian contextual vernacular

[hollow spear]

I vote for the Australian c*nt to become the norm

Sounds weird

Whatever I'll leave it as is

[keen dome]

Haha

[short radish]

is dropkick an australian one as well?

[shrewd lantern]

dropbears

[short radish]

nah not dropbear

a dropkick

don't americans do that in football as well?

[keen dome]

I was looking up one of my favourite Aussie slang words to make sure it wasn't a slur and lmao the etmology linage

[shrewd lantern]

my friends just meme

[shrewd lantern]

that aus is just british convict island

[keen dome]

The difference between Germanic and Gaelic is great

[short radish]

oh yeah munted

[keen dome]

It's a fun word to say and I don't believe it has any major negative connotations. Just a good "ah man you really fucked it up"

[shrewd lantern]

somehow they dont catch the flak brits do

for having an abomination food culture

though

[short radish]

because our accent is better or something

[keen dome]

The vernacular only works with a thick aussie accent, yeah

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

idk brit humor also just

rubs you the wrong way

[keen dome]

It sounds very wrong when I, an Englishman, says it.

[keen dome]

nah that's just the british in general

[short radish]

but also the more common australian accent

is rather shit

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mOONexr_MxM

example A

well more so example B(ogan)

[shrewd lantern]

isnt the glazed brit one

the cockney

[hollow spear]

That's also a sentence where you turn it around it sounds interesting

[keen dome]

Farscape is one of my fav sci-fi shows and it has a LOT of Australian accents

so I grew up listening to them

[keen dome]

the best british dialect is black country 'cos it's completely different to the typical english dialect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJHa5aN1Uus

[shrewd lantern]

i think what was that series yugioh where they gave an english va the intent for a cockney accent

and it just sounded more aussie

[hollow spear]

Bogan is one of the accents that turns even Chris Hemsworth into a creep

[shrewd lantern]

I don't understand why french is so glazed though

it just sounds like someone is licking the top of their gums

[hollow spear]

The accent?

[shrewd lantern]

both really

accent/language

[keen dome]

I like french. Irish is cooler though

[hollow spear]

Idk, I swear some people I know actively avoid losing their French accent

Same with Italians

[shrewd lantern]

can you lose it over time

I feel the only ones i can never distinguish are dutch speaking english

[hollow spear]

Eventually you will. I'm losing my dialect as well, been gone to long.

[hollow spear]

Really? Like "accentless" or "I can't tell where you're from"?

[shrewd lantern]

cant tell english wasnt their first language

like even fluent germans with english i can often tell

they're german

[hollow spear]

You haven't met the right Dutch then

[keen dome]

My dialect has changed a lot depending on the job I was doing.

[hollow spear]

There's a lot of them who keep some Dutch pronunciation when switching to English

Words with "u" in them for example

[keen dome]

Eekhorn...

[shrewd lantern]

hmmm maybe

always thought accents kind of are based on what language you learned first

and then you use it as a base

[hollow spear]

I'm German and I know a lot of people whose grammar is on point but who mightily struggle with their accent

[shrewd lantern]

Germans idk how to describe it but theres a distinct thing with delivery of words

that you can immediately tell they are

[hollow spear]

Yeah, there's something in how German words are pronounced and the "melody" (if you can call it that) of the language bleeding into other languages

[shrewd lantern]

Isnt that the case for most

though i think eastern europeans its the easiest to notice

[hollow spear]

The V is a curse for some I guess

Or the W

[vale pine]

https://www.lorrgs.io/ is a great way to find cooldown timings, the website shows figths and logs in a way you can easy see how cooldowns are aligned

but as others mentioned, cooldowns line up decently well with orb spawns

[shrewd lantern]

I never looked into the speicifics but assumed accent is partly based on what your first language was loosely sets some rules

for how you approach other ones

[mighty citrus]

does it show for you top25 only as well?

wasnt it before top 50 per fight?

[vale pine]

not sure, but you can load any log

[bronze karma]

!log

[honest meteor]

Raidbot sim, every guide tell me , i should have 650-700 haste, 1200 + mastery and potent powder, but I see a lot of player going for crit and not going for potent powder, and I see pikaboo doing like top 1 DPS like peak 200+ dps with 900+ crit, when i do ST boss, i should change rings and necks to crit?

[fleet acorn]

Can I Track somehow ingame sblades cd from other Logs still? Like MRT weakaura did ?

[cosmic dust]

Yeah it still works with MRT I think, im using NSRT for the cds

[ivory orchid]

On the opener during lust we are still delaying the next dance to 8 secs before blades expires?

I have come to the conclusion I am a bad rogue lol

[quaint lodge]

@short radish

[short radish]

[native zodiac]

The lower the target count the better crit is usually, higher target count= mastery

[short radish]

unluggy american

time to go again

[fossil forge]

now atleast u cant roll it

[sacred gull]

Yes and you can vanish Shadow Strike between dances during blades

[ivory orchid]

Ok I need to check something when I get home because I never can seem to vanish

[quaint lodge]

this has gotta be worse than being called a slur

[ivory orchid]

I wonder if I don’t have it on my stealth bar

[short radish]

ameRican

[quaint lodge]

hard r is crazy comms

the catalyst for this thing is even worse

w/e outlaw cloak ggez

[short radish]

prepping lura

[keen dome]

you gained the transmog

that's the real win

[quaint lodge]

i didnt !

i already had it 😭

[keen dome]

damn

[ivory orchid]

Bonus roll?

[keen dome]

rip, gg.

[quaint lodge]

im debating if i really wanna prep lura as outlaw

i see it lura tuesday

like idk idt it can be tat much better

can it

plus no public lura logs to even

go figure it out from

[keen dome]

I wish it was tuesday

[ivory orchid]

With the way my rolls are going only 6 more tuesdays to get my desired loot

[short radish]

if you can play outlaw as well as sub

then outlaw better or something

if you cant

then just play w/e

[quaint lodge]

playing assa

for execute

cuz that surely matters

[native zodiac]

I did around 20 pulls as outlaw before going sub again on lura

[quaint lodge]

source: just trust me bro

[short radish]

[native zodiac]

I think subs the play

[ivory orchid]

Don’t think do

[quaint lodge]

yea i cannot imagine outlaw is very good for me presonally

[native zodiac]

But your spec also doesnt matter, youre a spectator

[quaint lodge]

entirely just bcuz id have to learn it tomorrow

[ivory orchid]

One button

[quaint lodge]

wait i didnt think of this

[native zodiac]

We prob kill tonight hopefully

[quaint lodge]

one button thru my trial

win

[quaint lodge]

inshallah

[ivory orchid]

If you don’t make your trial due to one button it’s blizz fault

Buff one button

[quaint lodge]

on god

idk i doubt i fail my trial, we've been progging beloren

and im a spectator on hat fight too

save for every 2 min w cloak

then i get to soak 4 orbs and pretend i did something of value

[native zodiac]

Thats just rogue this tier

[quaint lodge]

yahoo!

[ivory orchid]

Tell them you are a vibe guy and bring that during prog that’s your raid buff

[fossil forge]

Like Ryld said

[short radish]

nah man we're not spectators on beloran. we're acutally zdps

[fossil forge]

i dont carry a seed
i dont do the macro for memory game
i dont do crystal damage
im not assigned to do anything
i just hit da boss and do my patchwerk sim

[native zodiac]

Honestly so real

I dcd yesterday and they didnt know i was gone until i came back

[short radish]

[fossil forge]

melee life matters guys

✊

[ivory orchid]

Only there to buff casters DH life

[native zodiac]

Tbf though sub pumps in p3 and p4, can easily top there

[quaint lodge]

laughing

[ivory orchid]

Melee there to help healers parse

Need more bodies to heal

[fossil forge]

Take in 3 rogues with ephe just for healers to parse

The tech

[ivory orchid]

No 3% dr is the secret tech

More healing

[hollow dune]

Hello all! I'm sticking to raidbots simulation telling me that, in my current gear, running sub is 20k dps above than assa for M+, but people still see sub as an useless spec for M+, is there something wrong with assa simming atm?

[ivory orchid]

People are wrong

Have been since people have existed

[hollow dune]

yeah I know, and since tier lists

[lucid jackal]

The purpoe of dungeon sims isnt to tell you how good a spec is

its just for simming

[unreal silo]

our tank druid was 7th in damage on egg in our raid xdd

[hollow dune]

yeah, I know, that is why I smmed for both specs and the difference is huge

[ivory orchid]

That Druid probably going to get with his side chick after raid

[fossil forge]

We changed guard druid to bdk on alleria since we only have 1 dk

The damage is very noticeable

[ivory orchid]

700 haste?

[hollow dune]

690

[ivory orchid]

I sit at 700 haste and 25% crit and if I swap to sin I am 10k less

[lucid jackal]

So once again

The point of the sims isn't to tell u "How good a spec is"

The point is exclusively "How much is x item worth vs y item"

[hollow dune]

ok

[olive canyon]

anyone got a simple addon that shows combat timer?

[short radish]

post nerf bear druid

[short radish]

mrt shoul dhave it

[hollow dune]

so you telling, that, performig great in both specs as a player, sin is better than sub and I have to ignore raidbots dps result?

[lucid jackal]

In the context of comparing 2 specs, yes

[mortal arch]

especially if you're trying to compare damage in m+

[ivory orchid]

Play what makes you happy imo if the guild sits you due to your spec well get used to it you are a rogue this tier

But there are some pure dogs out there blasting

[shy scarab]

7th? Ours is 4 in first intermission😵‍💫

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow dune]

raiding is ok, no problem with guild spec wise, the problem is pugging M+ xD

[ivory orchid]

That is because there are 200 dps a queue lol

[hollow dune]

I have received several "sub spec is useless for M+" after getting invited and then rejected from group

[ivory orchid]

Ignore them

[unreal silo]

yep https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hGzVFtH2f41xbkDP?fight=49&phase=2&type=damage-done&start=37307620&end=37341891

[hollow dune]

even with 99+ logs in every dungeon for 17+ M+

[ivory orchid]

Yeah I get it

[hollow dune]

in any case, I'll try assa in high keys then, as pugs cannot be educated xD

[fossil forge]

Assa much better in higher keys

outlaw is the way though preach

[hollow dune]

yeah, missing myth weapon, looking for it

[ivory orchid]

Yeah I was going to say wait until next patch then it will be sub and the cycle continues

Just roll Aug be 250 ilevel instant invite

Then make friends from the high key pushers and force your rogue into the group

[hollow dune]

Sticking to rogue as I like challenges xDDD

ty all!

[ivory orchid]

Yeah I am kind of the same way love a lot of what rogue days but I would like some changes too

[dreamy root]

your going to like the challenge of sitting in Q getting denied 24/7 everyday

[hollow dune]

I'm already there

[fleet acorn]

where and how do i assign it?

[supple barn]

I rerolled devourer, RIP my rogue

[keen dome]

rip purple, welcome to purple

[supple barn]

I will still continue to gear you my lil stabby stabber

[cosmic dust]

Check dm

[mortal galleon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fiery fog]

I was just explaining feint in my guild rn and i remembered how good that spell is lmap

Wdym we can get 18 second uptime during beloren egg

[fiery fog]

Im pretty sure its called combat timer

[shadow lance]

MRT got this in the addon

[fossil forge]

Slap a lil evasion in dat bih u immortal

[twin surge]

bigwigs has it you need to turn it on. probably dbm too but cant be sure.

[fiery fog]

Well in raid i play cheat death so evasion doesnt do anything

Though with elusiveness feint might just be be the best non immunity def cd

[shadow lance]

Not sure of that statement

[fossil forge]

Elusivness always

If i should die i die no cheatdeath

[glacial eagle]

CD is like
a learning tool
when you know things that kill, Elus is just better

[tribal blade]

nah there's no way

[spare turtle]

Quick question are you suppose to hold shadow blades for algethar puzzle box?

[worldly root]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[dry flame]

Nope, you use box with every other blades

[spare turtle]

Thanks!

[dusky yacht]

Thank you fuu I’ll take a look later

❤️

[fiery fog]

2 feint charges with 15 sec recharge time
40% less aoe dmg
20% less non aoe dmg

What non immunity is better than that

[tribal blade]

OH my bad

i dunno why i read that post as evasion lol

[uncut juniper]

Elusiveness =immortal

[fiery fog]

Changed „it“ to „feint“ because it wasnt clear

[tribal blade]

i read that as "with elusiveness evasion might just be the best non immunity def cd"

ahh yeah yeah

[hollow spear]

True

[tribal blade]

yeah feint is pretty cracked

with elu talented

[fiery fog]

Evasion is just a mean to keep the pull alive when the tank dies

[hollow spear]

There's been people here saying feint is weak and they don't like it because of the energy cost

[dry flame]

Don't forget we lose dmg every time we use it though :3

[tribal blade]

lol saying feint is weak is wild

[hazy breach]

I definitely don't feel immortal in keys though, kind of the opposite

[tribal blade]

the only time feint is weak is when all the dmg is non aoe

[hazy breach]

So many hard hitting st dots this season

[compact pollen]

Is just it used to be so much stronger and not cost energy

[hollow spear]

Imagine thinking that 30 energy outside of dance actually matters

[fiery fog]

But it was on the gcd then

[tribal blade]

yeah this season doesn't feel like any bad aoe really

it's all dots n shit

[hollow spear]

Well it also used to be on the gcd

[tribal blade]

or targeted spells

[hollow spear]

I hate dots

[tribal blade]

good thing is we can vanish a bunch of stuff this season

[hollow spear]

Seat after you're out of cloak and vanish is pain

[tribal blade]

but it goes out so often

[compact pollen]

I dont remember but I think it was off gcd in legion as well? And way stronger. Because was after that is got super nerfed no?

[dry flame]

I had a tank in 16 AA scold me for taking orbs on Vex:
"ROGUE - DONT TAKE ORB. YOU ARE PAPER. WEAKEST OF ALL. I WILL TAKE"

[fiery fog]

The seat mobs that put that circle on everyone
Vanish
Meld
Cloak
They cant touch me

[tribal blade]

lol i'll never argue with a tank if thye want to take more orbs

[dry flame]

[tribal blade]

that and charrend told me recently you can also vanish/meld the leech debuff off

which is even scarier than the chains

huge value

[fiery fog]

Big poggers

[tribal blade]

not sure how you can combat drop the leech thing

must act like a pseudo channel or something once it's on you

since it's healing mobs

[hollow spear]

Feint was at 50%, on the gcd and only had one charge iirc

Maybe I'm cooked, too long ago

[tribal blade]

uhh yes

[hollow spear]

Took a year long break

[tribal blade]

something like that

[hollow spear]

Imo, the current feint is better

[tribal blade]

the decision blizz made to make feint have 2 charges was honestly a bit confusing given feint was already so good

[hollow spear]

30 energy is a non issue

[tribal blade]

but we take those lol

[hollow spear]

You're losing a backstab outside of dance and nothing during dance

[tribal blade]

it feels worse to press feint on sin

[dry flame]

I member when feint had no CD and also you could roll with legendary pants for fat heals

[tribal blade]

on ST in keys

[dry flame]

Can confirm

[tribal blade]

playing such a delicate balance with your energy on pure ST in keys

and then needing to hit feint

kinda messes the whole thing up

i actually really despise apex 1 of sin

the kingsbane part is really cool

the energy part sucks

[dry flame]

I general, I feel like all 3 specs are actually not too far away from being really smooth, but needed one more interation
(less so for current outlaw playstyle)

[tribal blade]

that's interesting because i've heard most people say the opposite

but yeah i think with some iteration all 3 rogue specs could be very fun to play

[dry flame]

About which part?

[tribal blade]

sorry i meant opposite as in outlaw is the most streamlined

but i've also heard playing trickster outlaw sucks

[dry flame]

I find the current Trickster playstyle very awkward (outlaw)

[tribal blade]

i really don't like killing spree

i dunno why they won't just let that ability die

[dry flame]

KS, the fact that 80% of the time you end up with 5cp, but you need 6+

[tribal blade]

i would just tie trickster to blade rush instead and then adjust it's cd accordingly

[fiery fog]

And then the backstab doesnt matter because most of the time you can just wait for a sht proc

To not lose any cp

[hollow spear]

Yup

[fossil forge]

5cp jail

[lilac stag]

5 is fine for KS

[lilac stag]

It’s fine. It can have some slowdown which shocker, is what outlaw channel hates. Taking sleight of hand I think helps more so than acrobatic to keep 2+ rolls coming in. 1 rolls are painful on the menty.

[tribal blade]

yeah the 1 rolls feel so fucking bad

[lilac stag]

Holding KiR feels bad. Just make it +1 the current roll as well.

AR cd could be ever so slightly shorter

[tribal blade]

MORE cloud cover uptime

i wish there wasn't such a big disparity between cloud cover's uptime between sub and outlaw

[lilac stag]

@dry flame

[lilac stag]

It’s fine. I like dance and having SC combo points

blades feels important again without destroying dance

[tribal blade]

does yeah

[dry flame]

Yeah, I meant KS separate awkwardness and another awkwardness for 5cp.

Bur i see how it looks

[lucid patio]

BOYS WHAT THE ACTUAL EFF - SPENT THIS WHOLE TIME GEARING AND NOW CRITS OUR BIS STAT TF

[wild vine]

Idk I actually think the new one is somewhat cool

[keen dome]

It's not that big of a deal. You can still just gear mastery crit, or crit mastery.

Get haste breakpoint -> crit/mastery gear

[lucid patio]

everythings already haste mastery fmlll

[wild vine]

Crit is arguably easier to gear for tbh

[keen dome]

You only need 700 haste, so.

[wild vine]

And you shouldnt be full haste mastery before anyways

[wintry holly]

Guys what the fuck do we do about this smoke bomb nonsense on Cosmos... This is a 12.0.5 PoV (not me) 🤮 Took way too much damage from the circles.

[wild vine]

Lower graphics or play sin

[wintry holly]

Is it just watch void droplets, don't be near, if you miss cleave, just get fucked?

[wild vine]

[fossil forge]

Never stop moving

It deadass works

[fossil forge]

blob damage not in logs

[lilac stag]

press cloak

[fossil forge]

I could be wrong though

[wintry holly]

Fair

[fossil forge]

Cloak vorelus for uptime

[wintry holly]

Yeah that's what I was doing...

But taking hits on these is pretty bad

[fossil forge]

It increases the damage you take

By idk %

[wintry holly]

Yeah

[wintry holly]

I think this is the option really isn't it, just don't play around staying in smoke and just get out asap unless 110% sure safe

That and lower graphics

[dusky yacht]

Get BigWigs and put the sound alert played when you are standing on something to "Run away little girl.. Run away (Big Bad Wolf)"

[lilac stag]

Imagine your boomkin not destroying them out in narnia as soon as they spawn

[brisk onyx]

Throw it far away and move away from the smoke (this will not affect the buff duration)

[dusky yacht]

We out here in 2026 this guy is from the future

[brisk onyx]

wdym i am not kidding

[wintry holly]

So this is normal graphics

This is with particles off

[lilac stag]

particle off also reduces visuals of boss mechanics. Glowy balls turn shadowy black

[wintry holly]

Yeah true...

Fuck

[brisk onyx]

You don't NEED to stay in smoke to get full 20S buff NOW

This appears to have occurred after they fixed the 30en bug

[wintry holly]

Just tested, can confirm

[fossil forge]

I mean

[wintry holly]

So literally just like no reason to be in it at all

[fossil forge]

You dont need to see the poop on the ground

Just look at blob

blob near melee ? go otherside

Obelisk bait into raid ?anlaki

[wintry holly]

Yeah, easier said than done with all the obelisks and arrows and what not

[livid frigate]

for mythic plus should i be running most gear pieces as crit haste?

[wintry holly]

Drop smoke on shit side, run other side, should be fine. That's the play.

[lilac stag]

Asked a million times in here. Get guidon trinket. Get 700 haste. Focus more on mastery than crit for m+

[brisk onyx]

I actually think they should have just designed it as "cast blade and get a 20s buff," the smoke bomb is completely unnecessary (in fact, that's how it works right now)

[wintry holly]

Yeah, it feels completely insane currently. As an aside though, remove Darkness and give back 20% DR Smoke Bomb.

[brisk onyx]

[wintry holly]

R o g u e R e q u i r e d

[dusky yacht]

WTF. LMAO.

Shadowstep to healer drop cloud cover shadowstep back angle

If they question you, say nothing

[wild vine]

What should they question you about

The step is quick

They cant see the smokebomb

[fossil forge]

Wasted 2 charges of step

Now u wheelchair..

[wild vine]

Get that evoker to press his Button

[brisk onyx]

This topic has been discussed repeatedly, but the reality is that they even removed our only AOE stop until version 12.0.5

[dusky yacht]

Why you shitting on my naruto type shit bro

[wintry holly]

Haha yeah I know, pretty much since removal! Will never let it go though! 😄

[livid frigate]

okay thanks man what should my other trinket be ?

[dusky yacht]

Stare of the Owlseeing

[fossil forge]

I burst first add no movement thing used

I vanish ss on the other add

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/night-eyes-bird-26n78QtJt4LHeNXi0

[wild vine]

Its always crazy to think about that no matter how often you already wondered in the past

[fossil forge]

i literally do not press step until we go vorelus

[fiery fog]

They removed it and gave it back with more cd

[dry flame]

That's true. And my crit/haste crafts are paying off for all 3 specs now

[brisk onyx]

Yes, they even treated this project as an "improvement to 12.0.5" rather than an immediate fix (assuming we are dk, retdin, mage, etc.)

[dry flame]

To repost:

• Funnel removed, other specs/classes get way better ones
• Raid buff removed
• Cheat Death nerfed - other classes way better ones
• Cloak nerfed - other classes get way better ones
• Shroud nerfed (invis detection/dungeon design) - other classes get way better ones
• Evasion pretty much useless nowadays unless group fails
• Feint Nerfed (still good and only thing keeping us in the game atm)
  Smoke bomb - other classes get better ones
• Blind AoE removed (now back)
• Phys dmg Amp removed - other classes get way better one, passively

[fossil forge]

Evasion slander

[brisk onyx]

Ion: We WONT BE making any more funnel damage

[dry flame]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lies-liar-bullshit-so-that-was-gif-15334130

[lilac stag]

Gaze or Plume

[brisk onyx]

To add one: the earliest physical imp came from the combat rogue's talent

[dry flame]

Warrior had it too right?

[brisk onyx]

ye

arm

[dry flame]

I'll add it regardless haha

[lilac stag]

Rogue is just the beta test class for dmg abilities and profiles for other classes.

[void ocean]

where do we stand in terms of pumping evis into prio targets during bigger packs

[lilac stag]

If it goes meta, remove and give a slightly less powerful version to someone else

[dry flame]

It's funny that even with that we sacrificed dmg to use

A trend that never changed

[lilac stag]

You strike over storm with BP. Not evicerate.

[void ocean]

ooh

alright

[dusky yacht]

Altho you use bp macro for coup tho

Just adding

[lilac stag]

You can do one storm for lashe dmg

[void ocean]

i do

[lilac stag]

Coup should be a given

At this point

[dusky yacht]

Yeah ofc

Punz we killed dragons last night

[dry flame]

I lowkey miss having to min max macabre stacks

[dusky yacht]

Be proud of me senpai

[dry flame]

Enjoy your bench champ

[dusky yacht]

[lilac stag]

Delete fucking Danse

[dusky yacht]

I offered it to the guildleader myself

After checking sub statistics for vanguards

[void ocean]

delete goremaw and give us EoN

[dusky yacht]

I quickly realised I misplayed character class selection

[lilac stag]

Nah. Make Goremaw reset Sectech. Replace Danae with eon

[dry flame]

Goremaw is crazy that it survived several prune passes

[lilac stag]

My guess is they actually had something for it and ran out of time.

[void ocean]

ud be surprised how far blizz' not giving a shit can go 😄

[lilac stag]

just like cdm shows 2 charges of Sectech

[dry flame]

Would that add much? Just reset for two supercharged STs every min or so

[bronze turret]

Wasn’t it used in pvp

[dry flame]

Possible yeah

[lilac stag]

Nah

The energy is just whatever

[wraith sphinx]

There's been like 1 or 2 meme cases of using it in PvP at the very start of a season

It's not actually good though

[wild vine]

You mean having to use sectec one finisher later and still having the same scripted dance?

[brisk onyx]

I initially thought its purpose was PvP, until I discovered its selection rate in PvP is also very low

[dry flame]

You play Assa on paladins anyways

[lilac stag]

Gunslinger if you’re a chad

[wild vine]

Wrong game bozo

[dusky yacht]

I think I unironically threw pbox out of my bags in the water for closure some time ago, but it was champ so..

[dry flame]

XD

I thought it was supposed to be a tombstone in the Legion graveyard, but here we are 10 years later

[lilac stag]

I refuse to play outlaw bozo. Gunslinger is ok.

[wild vine]

We only have pirategoonerboy and no chad would play that under any circumstances except for it being ahead by about 40%

That being said, I am no chad and will try it soon

Tho I doubt it got better to the point of me not hating on it

[brisk onyx]

Kingsbane did a good job; they just didn't design it, but they didn't remove it either, they just left it there

[bronze turret]

It’s 100% the case that sub just sucks at paladins. But i think some of it is also just sub rogues are shit at playing 2-3t and what spells to use when. I’ve pugged with sub rogues that mainly used evis etc

[fiery fog]

Just gaslight your guild into thinking outlaw will always be bad for raid

[wild vine]

I will try it for m+

Aint gonna play that shit in raid

[fiery fog]

Sub is actually doing really good overall if it wasnt for vanguard

[dry flame]

I member Xul'horac in HFC. The prime combat rogue fight. We had so much use there

[lilac stag]

Just like blizzard not knowing what finisher e we should use in 2-3T

[fiery fog]

Ive only heard legends about combat rogue

[wild vine]

It was shit

Arguably

But less shit than pirate outlaw

[lilac stag]

I miss bandits guile

Last fun version of combat for me

[obsidian crag]

I was at prime as combat rogue on heroic garrosh on mop

[dry flame]

We also had burst of speed then... But pvp has to ruin everything nice

[wild vine]

I miss the green yellow and red buffs

[livid frigate]

okay thank you

can any one messager me what my rotation should be for m+ and ST

[fiery fog]

Check the faq/wowhead guide

[obsidian crag]

Tell what u doing and we can give some directions. But for full rotation guide check wowhead

[fiery fog]

You build to 6+ cp and finish

Repeat until boss dead

Or you (but boss is preferred)

[livid frigate]

i hit shadow strike them blades dance and sercret tech then aoe i do strom into black powder

[dry flame]

Combo points

[hazy breach]

The thing that infuriates me the most

[livid frigate]

oh and coup when its up

[hazy breach]

Is when i have cooldowns up, and i pop cloak and stand in a big purple circle to do max dps

And i still fucking die

Because it just ignores cloak for some reason

[upper narwhal]

Cloak is a meme immunity now idk

[fiery fog]

Immunity‘nt

[upper narwhal]

1s of being an actual defensive then it just does nothing sometimes

[dry flame]

They had to nerf it, because it's no longer 1 min CD (it makes no sense)

I still don't know why they made only the first 1sec full immunity

[lilac stag]

Well you see you can’t have nice things

[red flame]

This is so fucking real 😭

Something that looks like obviously not physical dmg & then you still just fall over

[dry flame]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[hazy breach]

And then i look in the deathlog and it says i died from shadow damage

[dry flame]

What was it? 200% chance to not get hit by spells after first sec?

It's like paladins having a passive "Lightblindes" where it has a chance Lay on Hands to deal dmg instead

[tribal blade]

i tried to cloak a smash in caverns the other day

the green smash thing that 1 big mob does after 1st boss

cloak>stood in it to keep uptime>dead

i was pretty pissed

[dusky yacht]

Fisted fr

I hate maisara in general

Those tornadoes have it out for me bro

[tribal blade]

i got fisted into the fucking earth

LOL yeah those are illegal

i hope this isn't blizz setting down the path to make melee life hell even more than before

because everything about this tier so far

[fossil forge]

Biggest bait ever

Does evasion work though ?

[tribal blade]

you know i don't even know what kind of damage it does

[fossil forge]

Same

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

lemme see

[fossil forge]

Is there a log with defensives

[dusky yacht]

comes back in midnight one week and a half late
decides to play rogue
dies while leveling "hmm"
does some dungeons "Jesus Christ the game has changed, why is everything so difficult and out to get me specifically"
only recently is told after joining Rogue discord that this is one of the worst times to play rogue in a long time
... Shit

[fossil forge]

there used to be a Command

To see where everything worked on what

[hazy breach]

There is

Pinned in #wow-general

[tribal blade]

pretty sure it's this

shadowstrike dmg

so shadow and phys?

ok no wonder

[fossil forge]

I scrolleddown a bit

It shows u can block it with cloak

[tribal blade]

yeah only during the 1s of immunity

jesus

i hate cloak so much

make it full immunity

[dusky yacht]

Maisara got shadowstrike dmg before sub did

[fossil forge]

Just be a gamer unc

[tribal blade]

nah i'm too stupid 😉

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[fossil forge]

Show these youngins how u whipped it in your days

[tribal blade]

haha

yeah with dial up internet and floppy discs

[hollow spear]

Chad AMS: 2 stacks, 40s cd, actually works
Virgin cloak: 1 stack, 2 min cd, RNG if it works

[fossil forge]

Forgot to mention u can ams multiple people

[keen dome]

hehe

floppy

[tribal blade]

would be cool if cloak became a 1 min cd again

[hollow spear]

I wanted to make one line for each

I'd prefer it to actually work and stay at 2 min

[fossil forge]

Dk defs go crazy

[tribal blade]

how about 1.5 min cd

like back during wod iirc

[fossil forge]

just deathstrike If nothing up

[keen dome]

Yeah, WoD was when it got changed iirc

[hollow spear]

I remember having to time cloak on sikran

[keen dome]

that'd be cool

[fossil forge]

Cloak every cd set brrrr

[tribal blade]

yeah i actually remember that lol

ashran is imprinted on my mind from that change

[keen dome]

Just make all of our cooldowns 1:30. The 1:30 spec

[tribal blade]

bring back OG prep

[hollow spear]

90% of our damage every 90s, afk to do mechanics the rest of the time

[tribal blade]

make sectec hit like a truck again

[hollow spear]

Right now I can't even afk with the 20s "flexible cooldown"

[keen dome]

sorry the best we can do is six small hotwheels trucks

they will arrive at different times

[hollow spear]

Haven't felt as flexible as we are rn for a long time

[tribal blade]

i actually kinda miss seeing sectec as our top damaging move

[hollow spear]

We can almost do the splits now

[cloud rover]

I want to live in a world, where SecTech and Shadow dance have the same CD

[hollow spear]

I want to live in a world where we stack vers and have no hasted cooldowns

[keen dome]

what if SecTec has no cooldown. And shadow dance gives it 1 charge on use

[native zodiac]

Remove sec tech cd, make it only useable in dance once

[keen dome]

high5

[hollow spear]

And were actually flexible

[ashen warren]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

"We want to make sub feel more flexible" proceeds to make sub way more rigid

[native zodiac]

Change haste scaling to spawn more clones the more haste you have

And sub would go hard

[fossil forge]

Dattt 50milly tech

[void ocean]

wut, no, that would mean we can use trinket like normal ppl and thats not how blizz imagines sub player base

[native zodiac]

Just 1 more day of sub and ill go assa for farm

[lilac stag]

so you’re going from “bad” to WORSE?!?!

[paper stirrup]

i think blizzards cooldown manager shows wrong durations and cooldowns when you use lights guidon. Is there any fix for this?

[broken saffron]

How accurate is the archon.gg tier list?

Sub is very low now according to that list (m+)

[tribal blade]

people meme on it but i think it's mostly accurate

back when i was hard pushing

it was pretty accurately reflective of the season in general

sub is low on the list because people started abandoning sub for sin and then now outlaw

[broken saffron]

So it's just because sub is worse now? I donno, before the patch I was pumping. Now I'm struggling to keep up. Might be because I'm playing mostly with devourers and frost mage

[hazy breach]

No sub is better than before the patch

But fewer people are playing it because theyve realized other specs are better (even after buffs), so it goes down in the rankings

[broken saffron]

So I'm just not pumping because the other specs are just betterr ig.

[hazy breach]

What

[vale osprey]

Any sub blasters want to/able to help with some P2 beloren egg log investigation

[broken saffron]

I don't know. I'm basically saying that I'm not pumping COMPARED to other classes. I'm pretty far off from the others on the dps meter. So that's why I feel like i'm doing worse after the patch

[tribal blade]

sub is pretty decent

just not strong enough compared to sin or outlaw

but i can still put up good numbers in most keys with sub

[broken saffron]

even compared to frost and devourers?

I'm saying those too as an example because the last m+ I played was with them

[bleak night]

you cant compare anything to devo

thats just a good way to feel sad and tiny

[tribal blade]

hell no

[broken saffron]

Yeah, it makes it feel like im throwing..

[tribal blade]

nah the only way you're beating a dev is if they're dead for half the key

dev is the most OP spec in the game right now

[glacial eagle]

devourer is like
way out of line

[atomic bobcat]

and rogue is on the lower edge of tunning

[glacial eagle]

weeeell, not anymore

[broken saffron]

Frost mage is pretty strong too, or am I smoking?

[tribal blade]

rogue is still not tuned great except maybe outlaw

[glacial eagle]

but devourer is basically so far ahead of everything else, it's unreal

[tribal blade]

frost mage is good yes

although this is the first time in a long time mage isn't mega busted in M+

[broken saffron]

I mean they feel alot better than sub. And yeah, even if sub isn't bad, If almost every other class is better, then they are going to feel bad

wait

[tribal blade]

they are ranged and sub is melee

which already gives you a huge disadvantage lol

and they also bring a raid buff

[bleak night]

mage only has like a top 5 spec instead of a top 3 spec so its a pretty bad tier for them

[dusky yacht]

I feel like melee should do more dps because we are at a disadvantage by default

[tribal blade]

blizz has not seen things that way in a long time

they don't actually understand the enormous disparity between melee and ranged

[broken saffron]

I just want to get accepted into keys man xd

[tribal blade]

because they don't play their own game

you can try swapping to outlaw or sin

[broken saffron]

Thinking of specin into sin but it's such a hassle with all the mastery i got

[tribal blade]

or run your own key

mast is good for sin

[dusky yacht]

I just wanna be able to outplay and get rewarded for it on the meters, right now it feels like I can outplay all I want, they'll do more dps with less parse

[tribal blade]

that's just the way it goes

honestly if you want to have an easier time you can fotm reroll

[hazy breach]

Its really not

[tribal blade]

because pugging keys as rogue is doing it on hard mode

[broken saffron]

Is the best way to keep playing sub until I have a bunch of sin gear or can I just change to sin right away?

[hazy breach]

People vastly overestimate the impact of secondary stats

[tribal blade]

just put on all your gear with crit on it

[dusky yacht]

Eh I don't really want to, I'm just also very weird in that I'm stubborn as hell when I love playing something

[tribal blade]

and you'll be fine

use crit flask

you'll be good

[dusky yacht]

I'm not gonna give up even if it's impossible to compete

[broken saffron]

I freakin' love playing sub. Most fun I've had since starting in shadowlands XD But at the same time it's sad to see the meter not move

[obsidian crag]

what do you mean?

[tribal blade]

you can do well playing sub

if you love it just keep playing it

[obsidian crag]

what i like is its simples enuff to allow me not to funnel, so i can do interrupts and etc and breath at the same time - which is impossible playing outlaw

[broken saffron]

Exatly that!

[broken saffron]

Guess I'll keep going. Maybe a buff is around the corner. who knows haha

[tribal blade]

highly doubt it lol

but you never know

[fiery fog]

Maybe they nerf our cleave further

[hazy breach]

A lot of people think youre losing massive amounts of damage by having the wrong secondary stats, when in actuality its quite minor

[broken saffron]

Yes please

[tribal blade]

see if i can find the whysper video

[merry ice]

Where I can find a good talent build that I can reach and do 16keys currently low geared so yea? Or can someone link me the string

[hazy breach]

Genuinely fine with me if they buff our big aoe.

[broken saffron]

No. buff devourer

[obsidian crag]

Use the mplus build from faq

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach do you know if bear form increases their hit box

[merry ice]

@obsidian crag Hello mate is that up to date? Sorry for for double chekck my dps changes drasticly based on talents dunno why

[tribal blade]

our bear is trying to diagnose the issue with getting a lot of puddle stacks on P1 of alleria

[solar kestrel]

guys

guys

can i cloak all orbs on mythic beloren

or only during first 2 seconds of cloak

[hazy breach]

Dont think so, but im not sure

[tribal blade]

i'm trying to figure it out with google but it's a lot of conflicting info

[hazy breach]

It does in classic

[tribal blade]

yeah seems like classic definitely

[hazy breach]

Like vanilla classic, but im fairly sure theyve removed it

[tribal blade]

for retail more ambiguous

[vale osprey]

Someone link me

The image with the bell curve of stat weight

PLEASE

[weary tree]

yes you can

[still quartz]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[weary tree]

just do !log and post it in there

[analog hearth]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[paper stirrup]

Is there no alternative to blizzard cooldown manager? it seems like when i use light company guidon the cooldowns and durations are shown incorrectly on the cooldown manager?

[hazy breach]

All addons use the cooldown manager as their baseline

And the cooldown manager cant track trinkets, so its one of your addons doing that (by starting a timer when you cast it, so its not actually tracking anything)

[lilac stag]

Best alternative is setting a custom bar in ArcUI to 15 seconds

[paper stirrup]

i mean, with increased haste when the trinket is used the cooldown of st and duration of dance changes, but the cooldown manager does not show those changed values

[hazy breach]

Huh

[paper stirrup]

i think atleast

[hazy breach]

Dance does get longer

And its shown on the cooldown manager

You just cant dance immediately after using guidon, you need to wait 0.2-1 second for the duration increase talent to update and register the new haste values

[paper stirrup]

ah, so the problem is that i have the trinket macrod with blades and dance and st?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[paper stirrup]

ok so first precc trinket, wait a little then vblades + dance + st?

[lilac stag]

Set a bar to 15 seconds. Have it show to the tenth. When it hits 14.2 fire off sblade+dance+Sectech macro

change your bar color of Sblades if you’re feeling fancy at 8 seconds to fire off the second dance

there are ways around the cdm, you have to get a little creative with something like ArcUI

[unreal silo]

if i start the fight with 2 supercharged combo, do i proc AA for all 3 buffed evis? i assume yes

[vocal torrent]

alternatively

send it and pray

[lilac stag]

You follow AA rules

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[unreal silo]

im not native speaker does this mean 1 supercharged or at least 1

[dusky yacht]

Any amount

[unreal silo]

alright thanks

[paper stirrup]

the opener feels so slow now that we dont get full combo points from shadowstrike, is the play just shadowstrike vanish shdaowstrike backstab, then send cooldown?

[weary tree]

yep

[paper stirrup]

anooying as fuck

[lilac stag]

it’s fine. All of 6 seconds to get stronger dmg the next 4-9 minutes.

In keys it doesn’t impact anything.

[paper stirrup]

no but on single target bosses

[lilac stag]

or just play suboptimal talents

Not difficult to go in with combo points.

To any m+ boss

[paper stirrup]

is it ever worth delaying cooldown even more for full combo points before sending cooldown, and have to reg more energy before send?