subtlety

[mental saffron]

Whats the deal with my stat weights showing negative value

[vale osprey]

What haste are you at and did you SIM with haste flask holy

[mental saffron]

736

mastery flask

[lilac stag]

Link the sim

[quick marlin]

is anyone else's sim

wanting like infinite crit

[mental saffron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oe4nxpmLERFXEpSQEeAwYZ

[vale osprey]

Oh it's dslice

[lilac stag]

lol

[vale osprey]

Yes and god bless it once you see those shadowstrike crits

[fossil forge]

anlaki..

[fleet acorn]

do we actually go on all specs double prism enchant?

[raw frost]

Is the trink good from skyreach

Have it on 276

To replace the void renown one

Sim says is better

[short radish]

if sim say is better then is better

[raw frost]

Hope so xd

[short radish]

sims are a bit unreliable about haste

or maybe it knows something we don't

but other than that sims are good

[dusty quartz]

Probably the plan. Will sim it later

[chilly dagger]

Does this look bad? I dont have Guidon, its puzzle + solarflare atm

(thats without oils, without flasks)

debating if I should lower the haste (if possible), so i land on 800ish with haste flask+oils?

I understood 800 is the breakpoint w/o guidon, right? 🙂

[short radish]

you'd rather be over than under

yeah

[short radish]

if you can do this then do this

[chilly dagger]

so rather 8xx instead of 770 or so

[short radish]

yup

[chilly dagger]

got ya!

[keen dome]

It's a good day to be a rogue

[chilly dagger]

Whys that @keen dome ? 😄

[void ocean]

i guess cause we picked up a few crumbles from blizz' table

which is more than we usually get

i was already mentally prepared to have 30 energy penalty till like 12.1.7

[chilly dagger]

do you think well see more subs again on higher keys?

ohhh is the 30energy smoke bomb fixed?

no need to pool?! 😄

[void ocean]

ye

[keen dome]

Oh, just in general

[short radish]

no because our profile kinda sucks for high keys

[keen dome]

I just got home from work and thought "man, rogue is cool"

[void ocean]

so u got laid last night xD

[short radish]

but in weekly 10-15s it's still fine

[keen dome]

nah

[chilly dagger]

im currently finishing my 15s and starting to dip the toes into 16+s... so I guess should eyeball with Sin too then?

[keen dome]

It just had a monster of a work day and it went extremely well and also rogue is good. It's all good.

It puts stuff in perspective

[short radish]

i'd highly advise learning how to play sin

yes

[void ocean]

arent u like a psychologist or smth

[short radish]

because overall damage sub is fine

but it's either all ST or all AoE

and lots of mobs in M+ have a prio target you need to killl

so sub kinda just kills all the random moobs

but the main dude is still alive by itself

and then its not a fun time

[void ocean]

yea thats a shit feel, riding high on dps and u look at the purple guy and he's like on 85%

[keen dome]

god no

I'm a librarian

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-austin-stonecold-beer-wrestling-gif-23989392

[keen dome]

But I do have an undergrad qualification in psychology which is very useful in my job as a librarian

[chilly dagger]

@short radish without oils flasks, still:

[keen dome]

also in law. Also in criminology. also in computer science. also in sociology.

[void ocean]

Conan The Librarian

[short radish]

yah so as long as you are 800

[chilly dagger]

I could swap my 16haste 7crit gems to 16crit 7haste, to lower a bit more, guess that should be better

[short radish]

youre good

being a bit over

is also fine

you dont need to be 800 exact

if youre 820

[keen dome]

That's what I did. I swapped my mast/haste gems to mast/crit

[short radish]

its not the end of the world

[void ocean]

wait why r we aiming at 800 now

[autumn flame]

Shuriken combo

[keen dome]

800 without guidon aka puzzlebox gaming

700 with guidon aka the proper way to be

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[keen dome]

okay that's not it, hm

!puzzlebox

!puzzle

!box

[wicked jolt]

Puzzle Box (mastery on use, channel) Use:
Use Puzzle box after your initial Shadowstrike/Shuriken Storm in the opener, before your major cooldowns. This means using it as if it is a 3 minute trinket.

[keen dome]

Found it

[void ocean]

maybe we should just state whats the end value of haste cause ppl like me who use feather r a bit confused i guess 😄

[chilly dagger]

which means I always pair it with the blades?

[lilac stag]

[void ocean]

!feather

there, nothing

😄

[chilly dagger]

and were still Pandas, right? Cuz of most dmg.. LOL

for Sin I tend to swap to N-elf 😄

[void ocean]

https://giphy.com/gifs/manscape-fixing-testosterone-cQtlhD48EG0SY

[short radish]

still paying for its sins

[short radish]

[rotund hedge]

Sorry I'm an idiot but if I have guidon , do I want to aim for 700 haste with no buffs etc or buffed?

[keen dome]

I got there eventually!

[short radish]

oh

so you did

[keen dome]

You can aim for 674 haste without oils (+26 from them!)

[short radish]

700 haste pre trinket

so oils/flask is okay

even food if you have to

but ideally not food

[keen dome]

Yeah

[rotund hedge]

so going 700+ haste without oils etc is a bit overkill?

[keen dome]

In theory any point in haste over 700, if you have guidon, that isn't haste isn't as valuable as in crit/mast. So ideally you have the ideal amount. But reality doesn't really work that way so being over isn't bad.

[autumn flame]

Unreal tbh. They just gave that to arcane np but sub nah that would be blasphemous

[keen dome]

It's being under that is.

We hit 700 for the breakpoint of comfy room for GCD's in dance. The next one is at 1100 iirc

But if you hit 720, it's really not the end of the world.

Get to 700 -> stack crit/mastery gear as much as possible.

[short radish]

and enhance

[mossy chasm]

Trickster: Cloud Cover’s visual effect is now only visible to the caster in all circumstances.

Now only the rogue has to die 👍

[short radish]

and enhance

[short radish]

whoops supposed to be

but get 700 haste, if youre 710 haste it's fine

[modern sentinel]

Dying in my fart

[short radish]

if youre 720 haste drop a haste gem

please dont overthink stats

you just get what you need to get 700 or a bit above

including oils

and flask if you must

then get crit/mastery

[keen dome]

One of the best pieces of advice for anybody.

[modern sentinel]

No,you need to be exactly 700,not 1 above

[timid rose]

This sucks because now my tank just doesn't have any clue where my cloud is

[lilac stag]

celebrated bug fixes with return to void

[short radish]

don't you love bandaid fixes

like why the fuck couldnt this just be an aura applied to the rogue

LIKE

THEY

DID

FOR

UHDK

[keen dome]

helll yeah

[short radish]

FUCK YOU BLIZZARD

????????????????????????????

[modern sentinel]

cause fuck you ig

[lilac stag]

WHY
ARE
YOU
STILL
PLAYING
ROGUE
AND
EXPECTING
ANYTHING
DIFFERENT
?!?!!?!?

[short radish]

THE UNDERLYING ISSUE IS STILL THERE BLIZZARD

FUCK

AHJOAHUSIDAKSJLDHSALKJDGBSAHKJLDGSAIJKDHLSAGDJSAGDSADSA

[keen dome]

No, no.

[short radish]

BECAUSE IM AN ABSOLUTE BUFFOON

[keen dome]

It's a different issue actually, see, the issue was it was killing non-rogue players.

duh

[hollow spear]

They want natural selection

Natural self-selection

[lilac stag]

the underlying issue is no one wants to bring a rogue and ANY ground clutter is an excuse not to

[hollow spear]

Play rogue, get fucked

[lilac stag]

no one would give a shit if we're brining 3% crit dmg

[keen dome]

Yeah..

[short radish]

like why can't this read as

Activating Shadow Blades allows the Rogue to enter a deeper state of cunning, allowing attacks to apply Fazed stacking to 3 times.

[hollow spear]

Even though I gotta say that sometimes that cloud feels kinda badass ngl

[short radish]

why the fuck are we limited to a cloud

[tepid trellis]

its very fun

to try and see soaks on lura

during it

[keen dome]

yes please

[lilac stag]

it's a skill to not bafoon your blades window

i'm here for it

[modern sentinel]

how often is sub in the cloud?

[lilac stag]

90

[tranquil egret]

wish the cloud gave 20% damage reduction to the raid aswell

[tepid trellis]

20 sec every 90sec

[keen dome]

every 1:30 for 10 seconds

[modern sentinel]

aight

[keen dome]

the cloud only lasts 10 seconds, though

unless I'm going mad

[tepid trellis]

10 yes

[hollow spear]

Yesterday I watched Zac proc cheat a couple of times because he tried to dip back in for the extend

[short radish]

10+10

[lilac stag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/johnny-depp-alice-in-wonderland-33--k01KQ2E0WK58QFA7W1MEE6HRX6H

[void ocean]

tfw gargoyle pull u out of ur cloud in pos

[keen dome]

not that kind of mad

[hollow spear]

That he already is

[lilac stag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/thug-life-librarian--k01KQ2E1Q22XNK2GFBGDK39VJSN

[hollow spear]

Mad librarian

[keen dome]

almost me today

[hollow spear]

Almost

[lilac stag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/parks-and-rec-library--k01KQ2E1Q22XNK2GFBGDK39VJSN

[void ocean]

oof

[lilac stag]

if I ever need to get the wifey's blood boiling that is the meme I send 😄

[fleet acorn]

salhadaar when u pop interrmission and half ur raid runs into beam

[modern sentinel]

angry wife happy life,no wait

[keen dome]

We had some teenagers in the library to 'study' and they were getting very obnoxious and loud, to the extent they were told to be quieter multiple times + a few customer complaints

they almost got told to leave

[void ocean]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Friends-friends-episode-7-tv-Y2t8MBRackpRqkfkDT

[keen dome]

Libraries aren't always quiet, but there's a limit when it impacts other customers

[lilac stag]

the hvac is kinda messed up in the library, and we just started hitting warmer temps. the AC is keeping the library at 17C 🥶

[hollow spear]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[grave parcel]

Ya cloud cover is suicide idk why they are leaving the cloud in game but at least they aren’t punishing our team with it anymore

[tepid trellis]

the visual clarity is 10/10

[grave parcel]

Hard enough to get groups

[hollow spear]

Me when I cannot hear a needle drop in the library

[keen dome]

That tracks, lmao. Libraries here have two modes: too hot, impossibly cold

[hollow spear]

What are you using to change floating damage font?

[lilac stag]

I did figure out how to isolate TTS sounds from the rest of the game effects so that was a W

[keen dome]

Nice

[grave parcel]

I feel like when I use cloud cover I’m basically closing my eyes and feinting hoping I don’t die during cooldowns

[hollow spear]

How?

[sick epoch]

Why the hell they non-stop fixing dks and don't fix sub rogue? Wtf is going on in this game?

[tepid trellis]

i just changed the font in elvui for combat text

[lilac stag]

moment

[runic sequoia]

Blizz fixed TTS

[hollow spear]

Hmge, I don't have elvui

[vast dust]

Been away for two days. Still no Rogue Hot fix huh? WILD. Blizz is wild.

[hollow spear]

Imma look for a standalone, the standard font is just not it

[lethal thorn]

is this in actualy or fake news ?

[vast dust]

Missed this if real

[sick epoch]

Dunno where u seing this 😅

[keen dome]

Yes, those are in

[lethal thorn]

wowhead post XD who knows with this many bug wouldnt surprise me if fixing one rebug/bug something else

[keen dome]

It's fixed.

[void ocean]

we r now casting disarm trap instead of distract

[lilac stag]

@hollow spear red arrow is the spells and damage, green controls the alerts & TTS

[sick epoch]

I read the dk thing and did not notice, u're right is fixed.
Now, when the premed bug? 🤣🤣

[hollow spear]

Never

[hazy breach]

You should not be expecting them to rework Premed until atleast 0.7, but probably next season at best

[chilly dagger]

@short radish when switching to assa for some keys and back to sub for raiding for example, are you switching weapon enchants from rendorei to berserks rage too?

[velvet jay]

maybe not the correct channel for this. But do you get 1 or 2 nebulous voidcores per week?

[short radish]

no

[hazy breach]

As they almost never do hotfixes that would require localization of the tooltip outside of patches

[short radish]

2

[hazy breach]

2

[short radish]

at most you swap rings/necks

to get more crit

since assi doesnt have haste cap

but your stats won't be your issue with doing less damage

it will be your understanding of the spec/timings

also gotta remember that at the end of the day timing the key is more important

you failing AA by 2 minutes because you pressed black powder every pull on sub but did 200k overall

is worse than timing the key and doing 160k on assi but you've done the damage to the right mobs

[chilly dagger]

I miss when we used evis instead of black powder for prio and still did good on overall 😄

[short radish]

same (sorta)

but yeah end of the day, when p*shing

timing key is most important

[lilac stag]

Have you tried just striking the mob that need to die with apex talent and still pressing bp?

[short radish]

i hate you

[chilly dagger]

@lilac stag and maybe coup de grace'ing it too? 😮

[short radish]

(i actually have)

on bird mob in AA

i'm just playing full single target into it

[lilac stag]

adding a strike for lashe as well doesn’t hurt

[short radish]

im like 80% sure that it's more ST to just full strike -> evis vs shuri storm -> evis

out of dance sure you shuri storm

but yeah ss -> evis is better than ss -> evis in dance, outside dance though you just ss

fuck i hate rogue

please stop using the word shadow and secret

for every fucking ability

[lilac stag]

Fuu did a sim at one point showing strike / bp with apex was a win for prio. Idk if still is.

[grave parcel]

That’s what I’m currently doing in 18s

[golden totem]

With more dmg in strike, prob still is

[grave parcel]

Even if I’m doing less overall on certain pulls feels good to get those prio targets down quicker

[short radish]

based sub enjoyer

don't listen to me and especially don't do what @tribal blade does every tier

[solemn patrol]

tfw pugs dont understand prio damage and wonder why my overall is below the pad dps

[short radish]

ye

thats just the pug life

[keen dome]

Pugs don't understand damage full stop

[modern matrix]

Hey guys, kinda new to sub (back from a long break) do we play normal guidon in MM+ or heroic box ? Feels hard to play with box but i guess it goes easier with more keys

[chilly dagger]

I love pugging though, gives time to watch youtube while queueing for 1hour

[short radish]

just play guidon

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[short radish]

make sure you

with the mention of how guidon works

[gilded wadi]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

• The first Ancient Arts cannot proc while Premeditation is up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
• There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3. (This does not matter much numerically, but feels weird)

[hazy breach]

Im pretty sure assa prio is overglazed now when youre no longer playing deathstalker. Ofc yeah its stronger than subs prio, but the main reason assa is better than sub is that the numbers are just straightup better overall

Because sub tanked a -25% aoe nerf after m0s

[short radish]

[vestal escarp]

[short radish]

damn i didnt expect it to really be that much stronger overall

[wintry heart]

Still doesn’t make any sense lol

[vestal escarp]

We TANKED that

[short radish]

true this is our fault for not sandbagging

[grave parcel]

I just don’t understand why demo locs are able to do 20% more then everyone else

[short radish]

because warlock is a class that only has pure dps options so it needs to have at least one spec that is miles ahead of everyone else

[wispy pebble]

because they dont have to kick duh!

[hazy breach]

But they do

[chilly dagger]

good that we have a TANk spec at least right, right?!

[wispy pebble]

isnt demo playing kickless atm?

[solemn patrol]

are we able to sim with dungeon slice or is it better to just do 5 target

[hazy breach]

Well now after the .5 patch they only have 1 kick yes. Before that they had 2

[short radish]

one day

[wispy pebble]

but that doesnt show in meter so that doesnt count! -pugs

[grave parcel]

Demo lock is disgusting even the bad ones are good

[hazy breach]

They do though

Idk

[wispy pebble]

having aoe blind back feels sooooo good btw

[short radish]

it really does

small win but we take those.

[wispy pebble]

well then all locks im playing with just dont use it. But ive read multiple times that demo is currently playing kickless. Just stun/fear whatever they have

[shrewd lantern]

there's a secret hack to doing prio

called playing ds assa

[short radish]

the stun is their kick

[shrewd lantern]

[short radish]

don't let them gaslamp you into theyre playing kickless

[wispy pebble]

but stun doesnt show in meter no? Only actauall kicks do

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure it kicks immune mobs

axetoss

[hazy breach]

Idk maybe blizzard meter sucks

But it absolutely kicks even stunimmune mobs

[wispy pebble]

"maybe" lol

[hazy breach]

Logs show them anyway as interrupts

[shrewd lantern]

people use the ingame meter?

details still looks better

[short radish]

in game meter is broken

[wispy pebble]

details is the same shit data no?

just reskinned

[short radish]

yeah

[shrewd lantern]

yeah but it looks nicer

[wispy pebble]

could look like 2002 forums if it had old details functionality for me

[short radish]

yeah logs definitely show axe toss interrupt (stun)

[wispy pebble]

i almost never check logs for m+ tbh. Just checking meter although i know it sucks

[short radish]

i think if you p*sh you should always log yourself

be it raiding or m+

good to review shit

[wispy pebble]

Raid i look at them. But M+ i did 16 yesterday and i wont go higher

[short radish]

also always good to have receipts

example above

[still quartz]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[plush roost]

Idk i think its still a prio specialist beating new UH with lust on prio is not an easy feat

[shrewd lantern]

rare havoc apppearance

[plush roost]

Rawr is my goat bro

Havoc is unironically sleeper

[shrewd lantern]

it is

just devourer exists

[plush roost]

Like 2nd/3rd best melee in keys type sleeper

[shrewd lantern]

its only downside is it shares a class

with the most busted ranged rn

[plush roost]

Yeh

[shrewd lantern]

also i guess only a trinket swap to play either

and maybe pants since pant enchants are agi/str instead of mainstat

[hazy breach]

Me when im a prio specialist that also does more overall

[plush roost]

Yeah well

Sub is just beans man

Unlucky

[shrewd lantern]

nah rogue is beans rn

[plush roost]

I just dont think assa prio is overglazed

[hollow spear]

It pumps in 10s!

One thing is definitely beans: me on Outlaw

[shrewd lantern]

im about to try something illegal in 10s

ds sd assa

[hollow spear]

Sounds illegal

[plush roost]

40k st pog

[soft grotto]

i think its doable

[hollow spear]

Can mods delete pls

I don't want to see this message

[hollow spear]

Toilet break during bosses

[woeful wren]

Dnt think SD works with singular focus being the issue

[tame cosmos]

Hi all, new to here. Done a bit a search here and tried a few things but coming up empty.
But seems Eviscerate greyed out and doesn't show on CDM no matter what I do.
Tried changing specs and back to sub. Tried importing different talents but no dice. Anyone successfully resolve this issue? Cheers in advance.

[limber folio]

can you post an image of it

[limber folio]

[sullen hare]

[limber folio]

actually weird

[gilded wadi]

[timber lynx]

Have you tried /reload just to try the turn it off and back on again strat?

[tame cosmos]

many times

[sullen hare]

there's also the whole just "blow it up and start from scratch" strat

[limber folio]

have you tried re-importing a new cdm setup

[timber lynx]

What if u turn off addons

[tame cosmos]

talents just imported from wowhead

[limber folio]

hmmm

[hazy breach]

I dont see the point in tracking either eviscerate or backstab, but you do you ig

[sullen hare]

personally I'd still do a full reset of the cdm and try reimporting

[limber folio]

eviscerate changes to CDG wdym

on the bar

[tame cosmos]

all addons off

[hazy breach]

Well thats why youre tracking escalating blade

[livid wing]

HI
How Subb is atm after the patch ? still behind in 17-19 than outlaw ?.

[limber folio]

ah yea true

[sullen hare]

if you weren't playing sub last patch there's no reason to start now

come back in six months and ask the same question

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure if you're doing 19s optimal play is another class

[sullen hare]

[livid wing]

xD im atm but i works hard so i didnt have time to watch news and subb feel weird atm

[sullen hare]

sub feels like doodoo because our entire rotation is bug avoidance

will it be fixed in six months? eh who knows

[shrewd lantern]

storm bp

storm bp

storm bp

very engaging

[sullen hare]

blizzard managed to break a spec that only has three buttons and at this point I genuinely feel like help is simply just not coming

[livid wing]

I just didnt understand why they nerf subb weeks 1.

[sullen hare]

neither did we bud, neither did we

[swift tinsel]

M0 OP

[timber lynx]

Anyway hi everyone I made my first rogue because I looked at the stats and the least played class + race combo in the game is earthen rogue - don’t understand why nobody plays this class. It’s not that bad

[grave girder]

If you aint this majectic beast.. It's a remake angle

[hazy breach]

Im even prettier so its ok

[grave girder]

Aye that's also solid

[sullen hare]

people play what they do for a huge variety of reasons and thankfully the difference between top and bottom race+class combo is so slight it fits comfortably in the margin of error. I play a worgen because none of the alliance races were anything I wanted to play when my guild went alliance for raiding population on proudmoore so I've been a worgen ever since

now my policy is "don't give blizzard more money than I absolutely have to" so why would I pay for a race change

I guess I could just pony up the 600k or whatever it costs in in-game currency

[hollow spear]

If you're not playing on the absolute top end, you shouldn't ruin your joy (if class fantasy or rp or whatever else your race selection brings you) by going for the meta

[timber lynx]

My joy comes from playing the least meta things and outclassing the meta specs (not super sweaty but fun to do at heroic raid / +13 level)

[charred sandal]

if i had to take a guess is probably the horrific lvling experience, the class is balanced around certain talents that enable ur energy to exist so up to max lvl it feels like ur playing classic, other than that... ppl tend to favor classes with versatility (like ones that can tank/heal) or chill at solo content (like delves n such)

[graceful osprey]

Undead rogue is BiS

[somber sun]

Only 0,6%, tf ??

[sullen hare]

compared to what, a 5/6 hero crafted offhand dagger?

offhand dagger is literally a stat stick and not even a very good one

[somber sun]

hero 6/6 hungering victory

[sullen hare]

ah yeah that makes perfect sense

offhand dagger is literally just a warm holding spot for an embellishment

[somber sun]

ohh its just for temporary usage

mb I thought it would be like

bis on the long term

[timid rose]

Fancy caster offhand that gives agi

[sullen hare]

no, offhand being huge is a bit of a trap but at this point if you have crafts laying around it's fine to send it because offhand dagger with hunt embellishment and uhhhh acuity? is what we're doing

[manic glen]

if no one fixed this already, you have to create a new profile at the bottom left. Some spells get hard locked until new profile is made.

[sullen hare]

yeah that's why I suggested a full reset

#subtlety message

[manic glen]

They'll no doubt break it again on reset with the weekly gpt hotfix though

[sullen hare]

we had issues at the launch of 12.0 and the new CDM and that was pretty commonly a solution and since blizzard is slinging more and more spaghetti from the kitchen lately I assumed it could also share a root cause and fix

I wonder what their claude bill is compared to just hiring like

five senior devs

[somber sun]

what would be a " decent " ST sim dps wise this patch ?

I feel like there is a big plateau at around 105k

[lilac stag]

mythic you’re hitting 109-110 right now depending on luck

[neon frigate]

Do you guys think we get another buff next class tuning?

[dense galleon]

Doomer take, sub isn't bad enough to get buffed, but the other two specs are climbing

[somber sun]

👍 good to know

I felt like I was way behind

[hard bone]

that was mostly the intention to cover the marks dps loss but probably wasnt needed

[uncut monolith]

Does cloud cover do any deffensive effects? ( untsrgetable.. or so..)?

[hard bone]

that and the cloudcover 30 energy bug was stalling the opener anyway for a few seconds so

[mighty citrus]

Can you do this with having 700 haste?

[wintry heart]

My brain forgot the 30 cloud clover energy bug and I was inting myself in keys last night

[sharp sapphire]

I am very curious next season what they will do when they take away the 4-set bonus. Not only its a huge bonus on our main CD, but also Cloud Cover last for 20 secs, exactly the same as the buffed Shadowblades

they dont think so much ahead i guess

[uncut monolith]

Dpsing 400k in burst and 5k in nonburst is kinda firemage play= so fun for me, i can focus on tactisc and deffensives:D Firemage Legion nostalgia

[thin sinew]

Reduces damage you take from the target by 15% instead of the usual 5%

[tepid trellis]

i have 684 so yeh

[naive steppe]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[uncut monolith]

Also i find hard to fill 2x ST in SB bcs of this energy delay:/

[hazy lichen]

without consumes?

[shrewd lantern]

...what

you dont send your first st without sb

[tepid trellis]

with oils

[hazy lichen]

beautiful

[hazy lichen]

can i see ur stats

[void ocean]

was doing first key with new sub and in MT under cloud walked into that cricle that stunned and ported me up 😄

fun stuf

[hazy lichen]

yea pugging with smokebomb is gonna be aids i alr know

[void ocean]

it rly is "jesus take the wheel" moment when we burst

[swift tinsel]

You’re crazy mobile during cloud

[void ocean]

well nobody else sees it now afaik

[thin sinew]

sadly

was rather fun seeing everyone shit themselves due to the green part xD

[swift tinsel]

You get a huge speed burst from dance and fade to nothing

[void ocean]

true but still doesnt help much if i dont se where im going 😄

that just means i might fck up faster

[thin sinew]

just don't 4Head

[shrewd lantern]

also damn stealthi outsims me by 1.8k

might be panda diffy

well only like 500 dps is maybe

[fossil forge]

+500 from alleria neck

[swift tinsel]

Place good clouds and use your speedyboots to maintain buff

[fiery fog]

kinda jealous of people getting 2 additional voidcores while i dont because i waited

[fossil forge]

Dont worry i rolled 2 items i already have anyways

[swift tinsel]

Yeah people seem to forget that part about the granted rolls

[shrewd lantern]

are you guys not 300+ crests in debt

to upgrade gear you already have

[fossil forge]

My friend on the other hand completly robbed the dungeon

[fiery fog]

even people that didnt get dupes get the 2 cores
if you were lucky enough and got mythic gaze you basicly skipped at least a week

[fossil forge]

I am in insane crest debt

[shrewd lantern]

im at 380

rn

to upgrade everything

[fossil forge]

Im like 400 something too

[swift tinsel]

I haven’t used my two remaining rolls yet but that will put me right about at cap

[shrewd lantern]

just get mythic gaze from vault

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-hank-scorpio-why-didn’t-i-think-of-that-gif-16665717301005834823

i mean i sent my rolls on pit just to get a belt and cape

but still

xd

[shrewd lantern]

i have no reason to send in pit

[swift tinsel]

Ye there’s 3x items there I don’t want/is dupe so it’s a gamble either way, just gonna high roll ring and dagger today though

[fiery fog]

i wanted the ring and neck

[thin sinew]

only 220 in debt atm but i have a fair few hero bits still

[shrewd lantern]

i have a high chance i get griefed

oh people still have hero gear

[wintry heart]

I would really like to get the pit dagger soon

[warm marlin]

I was over 110 as orc before I swapped all my gear

[wintry heart]

Was hoping our refunded tolls would be back before the weeks. Was over

[north garnet]

We are in Aura debt rn

[swift tinsel]

I’ll roll xenas for crit ring once I’m done with pit

[thin sinew]

my guildies got them this morning

[fiery fog]

i want more mythic items!

[swift tinsel]

I mostly want dagger from pit since we aren’t gonna do myth egg

[north garnet]

Woo

what do you use

[swift tinsel]

And vers mastery dagger sounds gross

[north garnet]

to display your gear like that

[fiery fog]

ellesmere ui

[north garnet]

thanks^^

[shrewd lantern]

vora dagger will have to do

for now

[near echo]

yeah taht shit looks clean af

[swift tinsel]

Nah I’d prefer crit haste dagger

[wintry heart]

Oh shit I’m gonna have to look

[shrewd lantern]

well already got it week 2

[swift tinsel]

Since I wanna drop a heavy haste ring for a heavy crit ring

Good for you

[shrewd lantern]

xenas rings supremacy

[swift tinsel]

Eh

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

I’d rather have nuclear strikes

Plus xenas is a piss dungeon

[fossil forge]

Omission+platinum star band gang?

[fallow nimbus]

I picked the haste mastery ring from nexus in the vault before the cloud cover change and bonus rolls

[fiery fog]

i hope when we kill beloren and the dagger drops i get it and not the hunter

[swift tinsel]

I’m on team wedding ring occlusion

Or want to be lol

[fossil forge]

Surv is the best spec rn so prayge

[fiery fog]

not on lura

[shrewd lantern]

i also have a myth nk neck

so yeah

[fallow nimbus]

Kricks dagger is the best

[shrewd lantern]

sending 20 gilded

for a diff secondary mh

is int though

[fiery fog]

i sent my bonus rolls on pit while in outlaw spec to not get that dagger kekw

[fallow nimbus]

I don't have crown neck and need all haste i can get

[swift tinsel]

It is if its your first myth mh

[real panther]

what is the shadow/cloud situation? still 30nrg?

[fiery fog]

its fixed

[real panther]

omg yes

finaly

[swift tinsel]

lol it lasted a fraction of a fraction of most of our bugs

[exotic steeple]

wait that was a bug making blades cost 30 energy?

lol

[fiery fog]

meanwhile premed

https://tenor.com/view/stevie-wonder-piano-gif-7283490756304090154

[swift tinsel]

Yes it was tied to distract which has an energy cost

[exotic steeple]

oh lmaoo and here i was today waiting for 60 energy to send

good2know

[lilac stag]

It is if you also are upgrading an outlaw weapon

[swift tinsel]

They should make auto attacks benefit from Surprising Strikes since they technically grant combo points via ShT

Nimble stonks 📈

Would actually be kinda funny

Granted that would require them to fix crit dmg not flurrying

[hallow mortar]

i got the extra two rolls for some reason, i "wasted" first one in raid but now i first try the neck poggers

[tiny jetty]

I cant seem to figure out if we do back to back finishers or not, when apex talent procs? Like do i evis evis or do i still shadowstrike evis with max cp inside of dance?

[sweet meteor]

Can someone explain how premed is a dps loss when the alternative is just taking more heals?

[hazy breach]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[uncut monolith]

/startattack work? Im stopping some aa switchimg kicks in pack:(

[hazy breach]

All abilities have startattack in them automatically

[uncut monolith]

Ok

[hazy breach]

If youre not auto attacking its probably because you are out of range

[hallow mortar]

now i gotta use all my brain power to figure out where to spend second roll

[uncut monolith]

Im waiting 1,9s for ST doing nothing to get energy and not loose stacks sometimes im not aa in this state:/

[sullen hare]

How's your other jewelry looking @hallow mortar

[serene notch]

Trickster: Cloud Cover’s visual effect is now only visible to the caster in all circumstances.

twas a fun troll for a little

[hallow mortar]

i have crafted ring, i was thinking maybe i should focus dungeons with outlaw weapon just so i can have it

§

[sullen hare]

That's a cute ring for sure

[hallow mortar]

becasue even if i get ring than i wont have crest to upgrade it any time soon

[fiery fog]

hey thats what i did
got a belt and cape

[hallow mortar]

but really wanted pit neck

we had two raid neck dropped but i wasnt on boss 🙁 😄

[fiery fog]

the only hope i have for alleria neck is vault

[uncut monolith]

I sim pit neck better then voidrofge last boss, is it common result?

[fiery fog]

ye

because it has high haste and the sim doesnt like too much haste
youd need to change your gear to stay somewhere around 700

[hallow mortar]

you can make that neck work but need some playing with stats

[fiery fog]

mainly recrafting and gems should probably do the trick

[hallow mortar]

it was much better early on when mastery was our best stat and we werent that high on ilvl so haste could be issue

[fleet acorn]

Crit mastery gems sim better now for sub damn

[raw frost]

guys

what potion you use ?

the sim always shows that mastery potion is better than primary stat.

[fiery fog]

dont rely on sims too much
you just want to get 700 haste and put everything else into crit/mast

[swift tinsel]

main stat personally

[fiery fog]

primary is better for raid
secondary better for m+

i think

[raw frost]

most likely yes Xd will test them i guess

[uncut monolith]

Cant macro light potential both- silver and gold quality:( isnt it in faq?:(

[swift tinsel]

you need to use their item ID

[somber sun]

is there a big difference between using the gold tier flasks/potions compared to the lower quality ones in raids ?

[swift tinsel]

lmao

[somber sun]

yeah see ???

bet bro isnt joking either

[thin sinew]

Probably just wants a giga blast run

[uncut monolith]

Yeah some % dps, depends if you want blue or purple-gold logs results.

I pref gold for logs and silver for progres:D dont want ruin myself on 100 pulls :x

[hallow mortar]

myth puzzle beating hero guidon thats crazy isnt it

[swift tinsel]

barely above margin

[hallow mortar]

yeah but in my head

it should not be close

[thin sinew]

You mastery starved or something

[hallow mortar]

not really

740

i did not went full yolo on crit

[thin sinew]

i'm just simming to see what it says for me

[hallow mortar]

its year of crit

[hallow mortar]

im just thinking where to send the second bonus roll, since i pulled neck from pit first try

[fleet acorn]

They should Change item Drop in +15 or higher being mythic Track

[hallow mortar]

and i will be rolling raid next week

[thin sinew]

it does want me to recraft my dagger/belt/legs to crit haste but all that for 800 dps in single target how much does that actually hurt my damage in raid with AoE etc

[warm marlin]

they said all refunds have been processed and i didnt get any

[thin sinew]

naa just make the keys actually a challenge again they're far too easy this season

[hallow mortar]

i did, got pit neck for free roll 😄

[warm marlin]

im like 99% sure that race changing bricked it

maybe they respond to ticket

[thin sinew]

You got any cata charges? could always hint myth tier?

[hallow mortar]

when did you use your original roll?

[warm marlin]

tuesday

[hallow mortar]

oh

[warm marlin]

like 2 hrs after server came up

[hallow mortar]

than i think you should get it

idk why i get it when i spend it in raid, cant complain tho

[warm marlin]

i wont be that upset if i dont because we rolled gaze but i might as well try

[warm marlin]

your item wont be in dupe pool for next week

so you're behind a week

[hallow mortar]

for sure, but im missing only head and chest and those im likely gettingh from raid too

thats not cool ryldd

i rolled boots on first boss

[warm marlin]

ya its very sad

[hallow mortar]

when i wanted trinket / head / clok

if i get boots again

[warm marlin]

now u could go next week and roll boots again

gg

[hallow mortar]

i will ping you and call it on you

[warm marlin]

wtf!

it's not my fault

[hearty mural]

is it too late to bonus roll ur vault if you opened it before turning in quest

[hallow mortar]

you just cursed me

[warm marlin]

I have 4 non myth slots

3 of them come from pit

we gonna eat good if we get a refund

[hallow mortar]

nice

[warm marlin]

oh ye and craft replaces the 4th

its literally just pit

[hallow mortar]

you wont have crests anyway

[warm marlin]

ye ik

[keen dome]

off to a good start

[hallow mortar]

but good thing is that you can keep rolling them

[uncut monolith]

I used first bonus roll on myth Dreamrift, and bought 1 bonus roll for next try.
Next reset Am I able to 2x roll on Gaze? Is it even worth?🙈

[warm marlin]

i will have every slot myth like 2 weeks before im done with crests

[warm marlin]

no you can only kill mythic bosses once a week

so you cant roll twice

[uncut monolith]

Cant roll twice 🥶saad

[pallid jackal]

So we all going for crit now instead of mastery?

[hallow mortar]

so where do i send my second roll team

im actually thinking about farming that box

[thin sinew]

I really wanted to fill in more of my slots with myth but i needed my gaze. so next weeks job is filling in the slots and getting further in crest debt 😄

[pallid jackal]

I would do head item or chest

so NPX or something

[loud wharf]

Has puzzle box started simming lower for yall in DSlice after 12.0.5?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k6pr3XvkUn3BfVURk6LXt9

All of a sudden Guidon is simming higher in Dslice?

[lusty acorn]

Bro

They give one void score

Instead of 2

All people got 2 again!

[uncut monolith]

Is this with rings set dmg bonus? Quite sad when 1 of my rings is heroic.

[uncut monolith]

? What when?

[prime mortar]

Hello,

Quick question, can we still use this macro?
#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Secret Technique
/use Light's Potential
/use 13
/use 14

Found it on the wowhead guide, but i read somewhere that we shouldn't bind light company gideon

[fleet acorn]

Depends on trinket definetly not guidon

[prime mortar]

Fuck

[tame stratus]

surely deepening shadows bug gets fixed on tuesday

[prime mortar]

I guess because it doesn't apply the haste buff to ST and SD?

[lusty acorn]

Check mail

[uncut monolith]

No bcs in this macro your shadow dance will be 6,5 s and not 8s.. bug of cooldown haste u have to wait after guidon

[lusty acorn]

All check mail

They give 2 back

[vale osprey]

THAT'S on the wowhead guide??

[lusty acorn]

For dup prolem

I got one i dont know why

[prime mortar]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/addons-macro-ui-imports#macros-macros-combining-abilities

Yup

[prime mortar]

So is it a bug, or a feature now?

[vale osprey]

@vale pine maybe a disclaimer here regarding Guidon?

[prime mortar]

I'll remove it then, and try to remember to press it before :p

[tame stratus]

also even without the bug trinket should be before dance

[lilac stag]

You spent one when bug was active and one after it was addressed?

[prime mortar]

Roger

[lilac stag]

you only got two if both rolls were spent during the bug period

[uncut monolith]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[uncut monolith]

Read bugtrack for it

Why we dont play premed? Bcs of some bug or only for 8% heal bonus??

[vale pine]

good idea, not only guidon but also feather and puzzle box

any haste on use needs to be used 1 sec before

[minor osprey]

hi sorry if it's posted somewhere but how do i find the spread sheet of how much of a %increase are the raidbuffs

i think there was the increase of sub law and assa in that spreadsheet

[swift tinsel]

way up all the way up

I need to find a way to drop 24 haste

[vale pine]

24 haste seems fine

thats not a lot

[keen dome]

alas, my second nexus roll was the cloak

[vale pine]

but you can just use a diffrent weapon oil

^^

e.g. the BC stone

[swift tinsel]

but I want the crit

[shy ferry]

i wish i was within 24 lmao

[vale pine]

on mainhand

[keen dome]

I have the skyreach cloak on hero which is crit/mast

so rip

[swift tinsel]

just eclipsed 1k crit

[vale pine]

that one still has crit

[swift tinsel]

actually

with Occlusion I might be able to do some magic

bc I'll actually have more than 24 extra crit when I max wedding ring

[keen dome]

Nice

[swift tinsel]

fun things abound

its also kinda fun to do without sims

actually nexus might be goated bc if I get chest/boots I can cata to myth, or I get either ring or a myth dagger

not ideal with vers but hey

[lilac stag]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[surreal orbit]

Q: Let's say I'm a minute into a fight, energy is tight and Dance/Secret are both like 6 seconds away from CD, what should I do leading up to hitting those

[swift tinsel]

nothing

[surreal orbit]

just autos

[swift tinsel]

if energy is tight just chill

[surreal orbit]

ight it FEELS wrong but good to know

[warm marlin]

press backstab if you're over 60 energy

[swift tinsel]

plus you'll bank sht

[warm marlin]

or so

[swift tinsel]

ye

[warm marlin]

and full cp

[swift tinsel]

basically just to not overcap energy

you'll get Master of Shadows energy plus it'll start rolling in from ShT as soon as you hit dance

[surreal orbit]

is it true that in every situation, I'm pressing ST on cooldown?

[swift tinsel]

no

you're pressing it with dance outside shadow blades

[surreal orbit]

lining ST with Dance as much as possible

[sharp sapphire]

I rolled on nexus... got boots and catalyze them, and cloak not great but minor upgrade, next week also will roll on nexus hoping for dagger, rings or gloves for the catalyst. Finger crossed not to get the chest

[swift tinsel]

and not pressing it if blades cd <10sec

[surreal orbit]

I'm fumbling something because my Dance and ST aren't always on the same CD sometimes theres like a few seconds between

[swift tinsel]

whats your haste rating?

not the percent but the number

[surreal orbit]

641

[surreal orbit]

working on it xD

[swift tinsel]

dance and sectech cd should be more or less synched even at 641

[surreal orbit]

im fumbling something then I think, I've only done a few boss pulls on sub so far

ill figure it out

[swift tinsel]

ye if they're a few seconds off it might just be a downstream thing from how you pressed them in blades

[surreal orbit]

so outside of opener, im hitting Dance+ST, and I SHOULD be ensuring I have enough energy when they come off CD so it's fine to just auto attack to let that regen

[swift tinsel]

not the end of the world

if you just don't press finishers when dance/sectech are 2-4 sec remaining cd you'll have plenty of energy

and you'll naturally pool a few shadow techniques stacks going into cooldowns which is good

[surreal orbit]

im aware of the stacks and the apex for now but im lowkey kind of ignoring until I have the core rotation locked in

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's totally fine, the optimization stuff can come later and its very easy to adopt

[surreal orbit]

so when Blades is coming off CD, I vanish into Shadowstrike > Blades > Dance + ST for the 1.5m into the fight moment?

or is it vanish > blades> strike or what

[swift tinsel]

you don't really need to vanish

its kind of a poop dps cd

[surreal orbit]

ill ignore for now

[swift tinsel]

if you're prepping for your 1.5min blades you'll be at full cp generally

[surreal orbit]

i know this stuff is in the guide it just helps stick in my mind when I can actually say it correctly

[swift tinsel]

vanish is a nice utility button for certain things like ignoring/evading targeted spells

[surreal orbit]

so ignoring vanish 1.5m into a fight its Blades into Dance + ST and normal rotation

[swift tinsel]

p much

do you have Guidon?

the trinket

[surreal orbit]

not yet

[hexed wave]

hey guys do yall recommend that wowhead sub m+ talent build? need some OP ST/M+ Builds. Murlok has so many diff ones...

[surreal orbit]

gaze and undreamt lol

[swift tinsel]

ah then ye you'll pretty much just jump into blades/dance/sectech then at 6+ cp

[surreal orbit]

how much dps loss is it to not apex supecharge ST?

[swift tinsel]

its kinda whatever since the clones don't proc any kind of clone and that's the big damage of secret technique

[surreal orbit]

so its the 1% type shit

[swift tinsel]

if that

[surreal orbit]

and during dance im never wasting globals, im just rotating shadowstrike evis on CD and never waiting for anything?

[native kernel]

hey guys, is there anyway to jump in skyreach last boss?

[swift tinsel]

the phys hit still does damage, but apexing it or not is not really much of a notable benefit

[swift tinsel]

yeah you want to be as gcd-efficient as possible in dance

[sullen glen]

Are we playing premed again?

[surreal orbit]

appreciate you haptics thanks my guy

[swift tinsel]

np np happ to help 🫡

[surreal orbit]

heres an aura farm photo as payment for your help

[hollow forum]

how did u get the void wings

[regal pollen]

void elf racial set

[surreal orbit]

yuh

[regal pollen]

they are part of the chest piece "Ren'dorei Mantle" so if you really wanted you could stack wings on wings on wings from the shoulder and back pieces

[grand summit]

It's a loss of like .5% so it's up to you

[regal pollen]

think premed feels better for single target pulls, but in a m+ im opening with aoe almost every time. So maybe premed raid single target fights?

[odd sandal]

Is solarflare trinket better now with the crit?

[strong jay]

is there any reason why my daggers break so quickly

or is that just the rogue life

[lucid jackal]

Insanely high attack speed

[strong jay]

aha

[sullen hare]

That's the actual, real reason

Not even memeing.

[lucid jackal]

Not just of daggers but of rogue

Slice and dice, and multiple attack speed passives exist

[sullen hare]

General talent tree passives that add attack speed etc yeah

Even sub has some

[steady osprey]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

• The first Ancient Arts cannot proc while Premeditation is up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
• There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3. (This does not matter much numerically, but feels weird)

[sullen hare]

Plus the fact that we have like 20% haste now

[strong jay]

incredibly stupid

[pallid jackal]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700) > Critical Strike = Mastery > Versatility`

[strong jay]

if you forget to repair inbetween dungeons you're donezo

stocked up on auto-hammers now

[vale pine]

it should be better now that we switch away from warning sign

[pallid jackal]

So we go for crit now instead of mastery?

[steady osprey]

In raid, yes; in M+, no

[regal pollen]

crit single target, mastery aoe

[vale pine]

yes, slightly more crit heavy on single target

and slightly more mastery heavy in dungeons

[strong jay]

i've got a quick question for you since you're here, does the haste breakpoint of around 700 assume you have one of the haste trinkets to make use of the extra globals or is 700 haste the breakpoint and the haste on-use just icing on the cake?

[vale pine]

700 with guidon

800 without

[pallid jackal]

Crit gemming still sims fairly similar for me, I guess it will matter on the items

[strong jay]

aha gotcha glad i asked

gotta keep gearing haste then

[vale pine]

you can use a haste flask if you are too low

[strong jay]

i already am cause i cant get any haste gear 😭

[vale pine]

my haste seems just perfect

(11 too high, but )

[strong jay]

[pine viper]

is there any benefit to have it a little higher than 700 other than attack speed

i mean like does it give a little leeway to not fuck up

[tepid trellis]

700 is the leeway point

[void ocean]

!puzzle

damn

whats the command xd

[wraith sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

i got you

[keen dome]

@vale pine petitioning you to make a !puzzle command that just shows that gif

[tepid trellis]

for?

[keen dome]

!box

[wicked jolt]

Puzzle Box (mastery on use, channel) Use:
Use Puzzle box after your initial Shadowstrike/Shuriken Storm in the opener, before your major cooldowns. This means using it as if it is a 3 minute trinket.

[void ocean]

aye

hc feather beats mythic box so... feather it is

tho on assa it goes brrr

[vale pine]

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[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever fable]

So I was wondering, do I just need to be able tro press ST during Shadowblades or does it need to have a bit more time during the buff?

Because of the clones taking a bit to appear?

[keen dome]

that woudl work too

[graceful osprey]

Blizzard decided to be nice to me. I won Guidon trinket…now what? Just to test things I used it and it only reduces secret tech by 2 seconds?

[lilac stag]

It allows you to snapshot second both dances of Sblades allowing both sectechs to get in fairly easily

[sullen hare]

It simultaneously increases shadow dance length and lowers sec tech cd

You have to use it separately though because of yet another bug midnight "optimizations" in subtlety's arsenal

[sacred jewel]

a bit of buff time should be remaining

bc of clones

[ancient hill]

Is sub good rn for m+ or is it worse than the other 2?

[lilac stag]

It’s good

[sacred jewel]

Is there a graphic setting that reduces the cloud cover visual? They removed it for allies but what about our own noses

[final agate]

It's pretty easy to see through...

That said, I think there is a spell opacity setting or similar. Just set it to zero.

[broken seal]

Im getting pissed off so hard Do you know how i can add a sound effect when this fucking coup de grace is ready to use ?

[final agate]

For default UI?

[broken seal]

because the blizzard coldown tracking doesnt allow you to select every single spell of the classes

[broken seal]

yupp

[final agate]

If so, I have no idea. I track it visually

Also, your evis automatically swaps to it.

[lyric ibex]

ive put particle density to low

[final agate]

When it's ready. If you're looking to use it on BP...

[graceful osprey]

Gotcha, it does seem to fit easier

[broken seal]

yeah but during aoe situation. having to check how many stack you have to use it is terrible

[final agate]

There's a macro for it.

[broken seal]

like if at least i could add eviscerate to the cooldown tracking

to see a logo at the middle of the screen

[final agate]

Pretty sure you can.

Essential CDs

[sacred jewel]

I just spam my evis macro until my CP are depleted

if it procs I press it twice, it it doesn’t (CP at 0) i’ll continue as usual

[sacred jewel]

I’m struggling with green ground aoe markers like those in POS, it’s still unnecessarily harder to spot

[broken seal]

mmh

[final agate]

Aaah. Then yeah, mess with the opacity

[mortal violet]

you do know its in your CDM

[sacred jewel]

Like cloud cover has a faint green, and it makes me second guess whether it’s just the cloud cover or some other ability hiding

[final agate]

So, that dagger pointing downward? That's the counter. Once it hits 4 your next evis is a coup.

[broken seal]

yes i know that

but i wanted to add a sound but it proc at 1 stack which is totally useless

[broken seal]

not eviscerate (to have a big icon switching to coup de grace)

[sacred jewel]

Try tracking your CP instead of the buff, that’s what works for me personally

[mortal violet]

im t alking about the stacking aura, its not hard to just see it hit 4 stacks, idk what to tell you

[pallid jackal]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[final agate]

!macrod

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[final agate]

There we go, that BP and Coup macro. Use that so you always hit Coup with AoE.

[broken seal]

it is not i agree, but missing one or two coup de grace is triggering me

reason why i wanted a sound to avoid that

[final agate]

Your evis auto swaps when ready so no need to worry about that.

[sacred jewel]

yeah use the macro above and just spam it

[broken seal]

yes but again it mostly for aoe situation in m+ ahah

[final agate]

Then the macro will help you.

[sacred jewel]

but it’s the same for evis no?

[broken seal]

obviously in single we dont pay attention cause you spamm it

[sacred jewel]

ah, i misread. but yeah the coup/bp macro is what you’re looking for

u can spam that one

just like evis

[final agate]

[twilit orbit]

seems like sub is absolutely cranking right now with the change

[broken seal]

wtf we can use a macro for that

thank you for that !

[final agate]

Yup.

[twilit orbit]

is it worst rogue dps spec?

[final agate]

Depends on the player.

I know Outlaw is also hitting hard thanks to the ~13% buff across the board

[sacred jewel]

only aoe damage, not much funnel damage

[twilit orbit]

ya outlaw is cool

but sub just cranks

and flows better when i play it

idk

[zenith hollow]

on dragons during dance are we striking or storming?

[final agate]

I won't ever play outlaw.

[twilit orbit]

it doesnt feel good

[final agate]

Crap playstyle.

[twilit orbit]

its blah

ya

i agree

[weak bear]

Do we still take cloud cover?

[final agate]

Pretty much.

[sacred jewel]

strike on 3 or less targets

[final agate]

I'd say striking but, double check.

[weak bear]

New to sub rogue and so much changed

Since wotlk

[final agate]

Cloud is the one to take. Cracked right now for pretty much everything

[sacred jewel]

last time ive played was tbc and a little bit of bfa

[final agate]

Felt. I only really came back in tww

But then I was tanking. Still am, making BDK.

But wanted an alt

[twilit orbit]

@final agate messaged you

[hallow night]

Opener makes sense to me. But after first shadow dance we pop the second one within sblades, Sectec still on cd. Then sectec comes up while sblades is still up: do you sectec naked or wait for shadow dance to come up after sblade is done?

[final agate]

Sub rogue was always a favorite

[sacred jewel]

I’m alting a resto shaman and brew tank, i love multi roleing

[final agate]

I feel like the play it to send sectec naked, but ideally with dance while in blades.

[sacred jewel]

ur 2nd shadow dance during SB should be activated with 8s remaining on SB

[final agate]

That's the goal anyway.

[empty bobcat]

what u think about prepull box then vanish then storm in M+ ?

[zenith hollow]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[broken seal]

it works well thank you !

[sacred jewel]

Shadow Blades (SB), Secret Tech (ST), Shadow dance (SD)

• SB up? Goal is to 2x shadow dance and 2 ST during the SB window (can be achieved with 800 haste or 700 + guidon)
  SB/ST/SD -> strike evi -> with 8s remaining 2nd SD -> … -> 2nd ST -> SB ends
• Outside of SB? Just single ST+SD when both are up. If SB is up in 10 seconds or less you’d just wait
  @hallow night

[split garden]

how long does dance last with guidon?

[pulsar hemlock]

8sec and some change.

Like 8.2

[split garden]

and 800 haste accomplishes the same thing?

[atomic bobcat]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[final agate]

Yeah.

Ideally 700 haste with guidon 800 if you don't have it.

[split garden]

gotcha was mainly asking since guidon gives like 600 haste so I guess mentally I was confused how 100 extra haste baseline accomplished the same duration but I trust the people who know better

[pallid jackal]

Does the opener from the guide also count for multi-target?

Like vaelgar

[vale pine]

haste ratings is about 2 things:

• 1. how long dance is
• 2. if you can fit 2 secret techniques in blades

700 and 800 align things well for both

thats why they are the breakpoints

[plush pecan]

Anyone got tips on what to do, craft 285 ring or upgrade gloves 289 with crests. Set gloves that is, everything points towards ring but not sure if its worth it, gloves are 279 atm

[pulsar hemlock]

Sim it

[plush pecan]

Ring trumps all

[edgy imp]

should i use voidcores on light guidon heroic or gaze ? or just run windrunners spire and use them there

or roll for crown for neck heroic ?

[split garden]

dumb question trying to learn sub rn, uh the first shadowstrike is always giving me 7 combo points so am I missing something?

[ornate lake]

I won't waste them on heroics tbh

[ornate lake]

You're playing pre med

[split garden]

ah

ty

[ornate lake]

It's a 0.3% buff to not play it due to a bug

Personally not playing it feels absolutely horrible

[split garden]

is that ur way of saying just play it?

[meager coyote]

until that 0.3% matters, yes

[broken saffron]

Help

xd