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It wasn’t confirmed by blizzard and you only get 1 roll in raid.
You really can’t be this dense.
Also we didn't know if it was impacting the raid rolls, too. We had no way of knowing this because you can only roll once a week in the raid
after the fact my entire raid now has 0/4 in the loot ledger
WHICH IS why i said if you rolled on tuesday you should 100% be refunded if you spent after tuesday man look up just a tiny bit of info

But I play in the EU
But there refunding everyone which at that point just give everyone 2 rolls and call it a day
So I guess, by your logic, I shouldn't get a refund
+1
you realize not everyone lives on wowhead that plays the game
This is why we left the EU.
london is my city
Welcome to NA beta test
To play WoW
true I'd love to play in NA
or england
is there a London in CA?
or can even access wowhead or similar sites in their country
I recall there was..
This is so ironic
idk im not american
this is a good point, actually. Assuming people are aware of the proliferaiton of information
awit
London, Ohio 
yeah
discord is an echo chamber when it comes to info proliferation
god, in fucking Ohio?!
I guess that fits
but there are many, many people who play the game that aren't familiar with either classcords or wowhead/IV/mmo-champ etc
will we see some more Assas on +18++ Keys or is Assa still preferred? At least the raider Io top 100 seem all to switch to assa from Sub 😮
who absolutely could have been affected by the dupe bugs
we knew about the bug well ahead of time, but we aren't gonna sit there and hold our reclear until they fix it and for many of us gaze was a far stronger upgrade than any other option so we are forced to roll
So this directly plays back into my entire point of give eeryone 2 rolls n move on, liek they did with sparks.
we had already killed beloren by the time they fixed it
I only have time to kill Chim on Weds. So it's either do it then or miss an entire week regardless.
tho?
this was what I was responding to, which doesn't match that statement
my original point way before that was give eveyone 2 rolls search up
Im pretty sure out of like the 8 people that rolled I also was the only one who actually hit
rip to all my other guildies
rip
Honestly, if you got Gaze you should be made to give it to me.
That's a good fix
true and real
Raid is already screwed cuz u only get to roll once anyway so getting 2 extra rolls really doesnt help your raid situation so its a sum 0
yeah anyone who rolled in raid before fix is just screwed either way
it is what it is
Basicly what im saying repeatedly is give everyone 2 n move on this is not much different than sparks from TWW. If they were gonna limit then limit the people who spent in the first x amount of time before the info was WIDLY out there, there was a problem
I was outlaw loot spec!
I git my gaze as pirate
so people that didn't use any get 2 free rolls, and people that did use them can still get duplicate items
got it
is premeditation also still bugged with ancient arts?
i cant wait to go into pit with my 2 refunded rolls
hit twice in there
and be in generational crest debt
It is, although it's more that it's working in a speciifc way with how the Apex does. But the dif is very negliable (0.2% dps dif for me)
imma get the biggest beetle stabber and purloined wedding ring
indestructible dagger
leech ring
Oh okay im just stickig with premeditation than
I’d take the debt knowing it would get paid off and I had the items
I highrolled mythic gaze last night so they can keep their refunds I'm a happy customer
probs getting pit legs again between getting those tho
I believe you can sim the difference (one talent set with premed, one without) and see for yourself too.
bc the plot
I'm pretty sure if I did the math correct I would have enough tokens to go clean pit out the normal way even if I hadnt gotten the refund by the time I have crests to spend on them
I'm getting both the Nexus rings
I think I can have enough crests with this reset to max 2 more items
I went and did the ?? fight just to max out my Voraius dagger and Guidon
Now I am out of gilded
Cant wait to see the crests spent on rerolled items not returned 
So even if I get both rings, I won't be maxing them for two resets. And even then if I get gaze, it's longer

Wym
I wouldn't mind if they double crest cap weekly instead of increasing by 100
let me degen plz
I’m thankful i don’t have any major crests items that aren’t 6/6. eventually I’ll get the tier stuff fully upgraded.
Hey guys, rogue junkie here, played og vanilla to cata and now started mop classic after all this time. Im playing subtlety rn but im confused with the glyphs in mop classic, any thoughts?
Wrong channel
I saw some potentially fake news
that is fake news yes
you fell for the ragebait
ty!
Frigg
Yeah, 100% fake.
Because that would completely fuck over everybody who made Myth raid rolls
You'd basically be out 2 rolls forever lol
fakes neweset
that would be HILARIOUS, but also incredibly dumb which is why its believable by blizzard standards lol
No one cares about the .1% of players
that's true, nobody should care about them
we should care about the important players: battle peters
hm Festering Scythe becomes self-buff, W shit
was looking for that blue post and saw uhdk one lol
I imagine they're gonna fix shadow blades next or on monday
it would be nice, but I am less optimistic
-# ↩ iGestalt (@igestalt.bsky.social)
Greetings! We are aware of this bug and it is being worked on. Thanks for the report. ^JH
I aim to be pleasantly surprised
I'm hopeful
whoa this is big bucks
heck yeah
Right?
I'm literally nobody and they took the time to reply. If they were bullshitting, they could just ignore it.
So I'm pretty positive on it being fixed soon.
I wasn't even aware of that account lol just the usual WoW CS one
oh that's bluesky
Yeah
makes sense why I wasn't aware lmao
I only know about it 'cos I follow one of their head social media people
does jb tweet there bc he's pretty much the only reason I still check twitter lol
no idea
What's our rotation on exactly 2 targets cleave, like dragon? evisc or black powder?
did they really hotfix stealth sound but not cloud cover casting distract
Yes, because I imagine one of those is an extremely easy fix and the other isn't.
-# ↩ iGestalt (@igestalt.bsky.social)
Greetings! We are aware of this bug and it is being worked on. Thanks for the report. ^JH
well atleast they recognize it
thats better than usual
Well color me surprised.
They replied and are working on it... The latter I'll believe it when it happens.
!bugs
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet
What is this for people without Bluesky
I asked if they were aware of and working on the 30 energy cost shadow blades bug
and that's their reply
!I've always played Outlaw, but I'm doing pretty good damage with Suty, while Outlaw is garbage. Is it because I'm getting old and can't keep up anymore? 😭 Or is Suty just as good as Outlaw, or even better?
outlaw is best especially in st
Seriously? I'm dubbing Outlaw with Suti in St.
Well, it seems I'll have to keep practicing.
after doing some keys
i like this talent combo the best
Even though premed scuffs the first bit of AA?
yes
I've been playing with both and honestly, you're not wrong.
Playing without premed suuuucks.
!fuu
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i tried both, and it feels better
damage wise, i saw no diffrence
tfd i also kinda like
warning sighn rly made no diffrence
so idk why people like it
Export talents
Yeah, I saw no difference there either.
I want
why do we even play without prem?
I go execution pretty much always
Because prem scuffs the first bit of AA. It doesn't proc the clone.
is that for m+?
what is AA ?
aaa seriosly? damn
yes
agathas acadamy
Would you run that same setup for dragons and paladins?
or ancient arts
Rogue stay buggy.
- The first Ancient Arts cannot proc while Premeditation is up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
- There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3. (This does not matter much numerically, but feels weird)
At this point it's a feature 
Question, I currently have 597 haste, haste breakpoints say 700 with guidon. Tried simming a crafted 285 crit/haste and crit/mastery neck, the crit/mastery neck sims higher meaning I lose 90 haste but gain more mastery, is that correcT?
Oh so it's scuffed twice over. I thought it was just the first clone proc... They need to get the QA tea--.. Oh wait.
Nevermind
excluding alleria necklace, what best neck we can get?
Pit/saladbar neck
thank you sir
Not sure how accurate sims are now. I do way more damage if I stil to 700 haste > crit/mastery than I do following sims. Last sim I did was a week or so ago and it told me to dump haste
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
Sims acting funky?
Outlaw is highest now? Dang it
The council in raid? I just do AOE. We aren’t mythic though so I could turn off monitor and be okay.
But like, BP?
Yep when all three stack. If we run and only two I use evis
Fully aware I’m about a mid rogue but trying to learn
so just send 700 haste?
Yeah, outlaw got a pretty big buff, ~13% across the board I think
I did. Was good increase and felt a lot better. If you have the trinket.
Do you guys pop cds immediately on mythic chimaerus in the second group or do you wait for madness to go off first?
Running hc guidon and myth heart of wind
Send that 700 haste or close. I rather be 720 instead of 685. That’s after oils and flask if needed.
I use crit flask since patch though
I use crit in raid, mastery in dungeons
if I already have guidon, would it be better to spend bonus rolls on 2 bis myth items instead of the DR heroic trinket ?
Mm so is guidon or puzzle box better? Im still using guidon, but bloodmallet sims puzzle box super high
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
they are different trinkets, you need both gaze and either guidon or puzzle box
What you can do is run DR hero to see if you can get it from a drop
instead of spending a bonus roll on it
But gaze should provide you more dmg than a myth non trinket item
You can always sim it yourself to be more sure about it
hey guys, back from break, is guidon better than box in MM+ as sub overall ?
i have normal guidon but hero box
Personally I prefer a trinket that lines up with my cool downs. And personal experience from using the puzzle box is I know I won't use it perfectly so the minor dps gain from the Sims won't be something I get from my own play.
https://www.wowhead.com/item=249345/ranger-captains-iridescent-insignia
is this trikent even good on us ?
now that we do crit in ST it may be decent but still guidon/gaze is better by far
as always
Two best trinkets, period.
Does anyone have the shadowmeld and strike macro
It won’t work, just like dance it has a server tick. Press meld. Press strike.
otherwise enjoy your backstab
And also mald
the swap to the darkside is not going well
That should teach you a lesson. 
That's what you get

i dont even have a 4 set haha
Why you even doing this to yourself

You don't even have gems
I kinda miss getting upgrades this huge
Did get myth gaze last night tho and it is kinda big but nowhere near 80 ilvl on mainhand level I imagine

i kinda have the game finished on my other rogue
just need crests
(and alleria neck)
I still need a lot of myth pieces
But I'm proud of my guild since I joined we progged 1/9 to 4/9 in a few weeks
Must be the atrophic
Right guys

Hmmm someone had one that worked I thought maybe not
i have 3
yes
Just teasing. I had 4 max monks in tww
Oh you have a dh
!fuu
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spits on the ground
This is a rollercoaster for me emotionally
timewalkings r up this week so i might lvl it though
Aaand back to spitting
hahah dk and a dh, just in case things get out of hand 
... Now you're cool again
Up until 2 weeks ago I had <2 days of overall rogue playtime on my 20+ year acct
Now I am all in on sub
I think a fitting analogy is a fentanyl addiction
i miss refreshing my cds with finishers
only reason im doing law
Feral?
You're 3 days late to the party Rumb, we've all gone home to assin
I won't go sin
I used to feral... If I wanted a dot class id go back there
I was complaining to a guy who has been maining feral for years about how ignored I feel as Rogue and I sure learned something that night
I've been a monk main since legion, and before that I was feral...
I know all about being ignored.
It's ok though. I find the communities for those classes/specs tend to be stronger and more friendly
cant really say the same about classes though.
the first dance is just so good in some dg
like druid as a whole certainly hasnt been as neglected as rogue
Yeah but not everybody plays all specs in the omniclasses
must be nice
to have more than one role. or, to be able to say "no i dont play that spec, you need to buff this spec" and then blizz does it. meanwhiles rogue specs can be trash and were expected to play the best one, not the one we like
unlike say, ret, or feral.
Yeah it's kinda crappy
its super shitty
But sometimes you are ww and still get ignored 🙂
Don't worry guys, they understand because they play the game right along with us 
"oh hey were kinda heavy on melee this fight, mind swapping to tank or heals??"
druid/monk/paly etc: "yeah sure boss"
rogue: "guess ill warm the bench"
man wtf since patch i dont get any inv for m+ anymore and poeple are asking for outlaw all of sudden....
make ol range spec!
even though youll probably dumpster mode other pugs in the 10 range
One small buff made them BIS
its not like we got nerfed we still ended with a buff to wtf is this logic
well thats gamer community
I need to know If im having a stroke or not. ever since the patch i feel like its clunky to play. Generating combo points is wierd
and our dps profile is in my opinion better anyway
a frost dk got invited and I got declined
fair enough
" bro we are looking for triple dh devourer for our +10 key "
Make sure you have a solid note when applying for groups
What is a solid note?
Feels very inconsistent
I usually say "I gigapump wallahi"
Im adopting the Fuu talents for the "Feel"
outlaw is bait is that good enough xd
yes they need to fix the damn bug
9/9M CE - AHOC - 4000 Rio 289 Ilvl Bis Sub roqe
other than that its pretty fine
nice
which talents if I may ask?
Is there a certain level of key - 16-17+ - where sin fully outshines sub? Or is there a diff reason it’s the rogue spec in high keys
the message he referenced
My note:
PUMPER -3% POISON - MYTH WEP - FLASK - POTS - FOOD -CABLES
more poeple like sin that all its always a more represented spec
Im gimped, no cables
Also the gold dps pots are actually huge that extra 100 agi is insane
tho i am surprised, i don't mind no premed in raid
you made me renew with tfd and honestly it feels very amazing, almost perma in dance during SB
Puts you in combat? My tank perpetually never leaves it.
but in keys i actually disslike it
I tell people I have cables then never use em cause I'd rather wipe than lose 3 seconds of uptime
gota be engi for that right?
Nope u just buy em on the ah
i got a question, because of the rotten is it more optimal to enter dance, shadowstrike and then st or have combo points built up beforehand like how it was before and just shadow dance st
There are no cables that can ress a player on AH atm above lvl 80
No buy in ah
^^^
the range on this thing sucks fucking ass
It always has
what sucks more is they removed the one you can put on armour...
least it was SOMETHING
Thanks
im ready boss
rank 5 or rank 1? whats the difference?
anyone?
cast time if i'm not wrong
I am also not really bothered by this as much as I thought I would be
Vanish SS makes it kinda fun
Is there an addon that can remind you to supercharge before a pull? 🤣 miss WA 😭
I think I did this ... Once this season

I always forget
Hey all have a question, How much crit do I need to bring?
Ideally 100%
ahha
How much do you have?
Uhh hold on I posted it somewhere
When playing Sub now is it a good idea to over-generate CP's for the ancient art stacks? (New to Midnight rogue)
812 crit, 687 haste, 831 mastery without flask, only oils
okay thanks
This way my flask makes me lean towards either one
Crit flask for ST/raid, mast flask for m+
ive 963crit 653 haste and 572 mastery without buffs its okay?
You need 684 minimum with oils
haste
so its okay my stats?
this is what ive been doin
I mean it's okay but I would get a bit more haste, try and get near 700
which keys are you running usually? which level?
okay
For what purpose
for the purpose of pushing keys 😄
and that would be? 🙂
The best I can do
Crit feels like it does nothing for me. I had real high mastery last week and swapped it out for Crit and I’m doing 15/16/17 - it felt like my DPS dropped pretty heavily when I got more crate. I’m thinking I’m going heavy into mastery and sticking around 700 haste
Mastery is still better in m+
Yeah I’m going to swap some gear and go all in on mastery
If you talent PP you want mastery. That simple.
my pp desires mastery
Some 15, most 14, one 13 (fk u maisara pugs)
Caverns is ass
If tanks could just decide on a route that would be lovely, it's like a box of chocolates, I never know what pulls I'm gonna get
But I'm prolly behind on m+ tbh, I was focused on farming xenas for my ring for like a week, 42 xenas runs before I got it.
I apologize for repeating myself. But need to know If im having a stroke or not. ever since the patch i feel like its clunky to play. Generating combo points is wierd . Did they change anything about it?
!fuu
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You changed your spec and removed premed
This is because premed is a DPS loss overall
But it feels bad if you enjoyed instant full cp on ST
However, if there are multiple targets, just press shuriken storm problem solved
I see that's why... I was having a blast with it haha. Felt very fluid
thank you
any other classes have talents that are dps loss just to streamline openers?
yw, it's a minor dps loss to get premed anyway though, but I still play without it because I'm a masochist maybe

how bad is it if we would still play premeditation ?
.3-4%
God forbid someone has fun
I'm having quite a bit of fun
I mean life could be better, we could have no bugs and everything made sense with our apex talent, and stuff like that
But I'm happy with the buff we got
Buff(s)
What buffs? aren't we still way worse the the other 2 specs
how much better in ST is crit over mastery? cause in aoe it feels like mastery really outscales crit
I agree ^^^
kappa
We got buffed, whether we're better than other specs or not, I don't really care. I'm enjoying sub.
Not in mythics is what I've seen. But I trust archon.gg because well
yeah I guess in high keys that makes sense
I mean sure in high keys it's different, but I don't play keys mainly, I raid mainly
Yeah it's a totally different game
yeah sub in raid is insanely smooth, just kinda hard when bosses have a lot of mechanics or you spend a lot of time moving around
but maybe that's just cause im boosted
nah these raids arent melee friendly
I would be more inclined to try outlaw if it didn't hate mastery - I don't mind sticking to sub though since I enjoy it anyway
That moment when you feel amazing (but it's mainly cause the others were bad) in pugs

Well yeah but I mean comparatively
ah
maybe thats why sin seems to be played more in higher keys, its damage seems to rather build up
well
and priority damage on a single mob seems nice too
if the deathmarked target is dead too fast sin is useless
i just want sub to be dead
every week i upload my droptimizer and have to tell the officers that some of the dropmizer gears that shows 0dps increase is actually 1000+ if i put on different rings or change my crafted stats to drop/add some haste
i love sub, please dont let it be ded
sim as deathstalker 
suddenly everything with haste is a giga upgrade
nah they compare it with the talent im playing in raid
freaks
only that way cuz some people sandbag
what happens if you dont meet reqs
you swap specs, class even ? 
have they fixed shadow dance energy cost?
What
the bug with the trickster talent
Oh You mean blades?
shadow blades
No, but they have said they are aware of it
its nice the dmg from cloud cover but dude, i can't see a thing
tf that's good news already
Theres a setting u can turn on to make it less dense
partical density
will try that, like there are areas i don't see
with nebulous cores being on the bench is not that bad
i think the smoke bomb bug was fixe=d
someone confirm
in a key rn and sblades not taking energy
it is when your main gains are from benched bosses (alleria)

not fixed
what do we need on alleria? xD
neck
pants are good too
pit of saron gonna do fine bro
i sent my first roll on chimaerus because i still dont have mythic gaze
forever stuck with normal gaze
u sure?
hmm testing it in a key and it seems fine
will check after
chim imperator only 2 myth i need i think
w
already rollled everything in dung got upgrades and a dagger from pit of saron so all good
already have voracious dagger so rolling for a weapon is sidegrade
as an aotc raider and primarily concerned about my M+ itemization, torn on where i should be spending mine still 🙁
now i dont even feel like doing myth progress
going to find it difficult to get motivation to raid now with cores in M+
Rest in pieces brother
oh they fixed the energy cost for shadow blades
last person in my guild without mythic gaze
yay
If it makes you feel better I did 42 xenas runs for omission cause I got occlusion in vault as myth
they fixed it for shadow blades and not adrenaline rush
ooof.
this is a w for the community
full gems gear 
basically
i ended up taking stuff to speedrun hero achievement for my alts
i was that downbad
Bro got sockets in places we can't say
sockets for my jingle bells

16 gems build in bio 
no wonder bro getting insta invited
Some men die of thrist, Litvi gets sick ilvl parses with sockets.

yo why they didnt put " mythic tokens " so I dont have to run 40 pos everyday to get neck piece
everyone is already 280 ilevel just wrap it up
Whos gonna tell bro
dont tell me vault is the solution
Bonus rolls 
tbc was so good for that ( tokens )
You get 3 chances at a week bud
this expansion is over anyways
im counting on blizz to make rogue top 1 dps on charts next expac
insta invited, can't wait
Pog uwu!!!
Holy crap.
ye def fixed poguwu
Now just make premed give sht stacks and ill delete all my other chars!! 
confirmed no cst
@keen dome your CS team is on it!
outlaw AR cost surely fixed next
now to check the crit bonus
someone check if premed triggers AA 
!ui
Essential:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
Quality of Life:
Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
Mute Cold Blood sound
The first dance tracker
moment
Haptics i was so locked in for that
LOL
we still up lol
WE'RE BACK
What was bugged with the crit bonus?
!log

perfectly normal critical strikes
i have a question. do we run cloudcover now on aoe? or no sculplets
Does pre-pulling 6 Anima-charged CPs via Shadow Dance actually work? I see the blue bubbles, but I'm wondering if the bonus damage is ignored once combat starts.
it resets to 2 on pull
Even though I see 6 blue bubbles when combat starts, is it just a visual bug with the UI?
if its a key it should be fine but boss pulls in raid reset it
Ah, I see. So it’s just a visual thing while the actual stacks are being reset. Thanks for the info
when i switch to puzzlebox in m+ from guideon ineed 800 haste with everything on?
bois found a good way to get invite tag in outlaw spec then swap just before starting xd
Oh the old boomie feral bait and switch
So the bug is still alive and well?

I did the same for ilevel in early season
blades energy cost is fixed
what AA bug
ancient arts
the leader was perplexed at the end when he saw the overall with sub next to be xd
yeah which AA bug
Is the premeditation bug still a thing?
Its not really a bug
Is the Premeditation bug still a thing? It's so frustrating that the first Shadow Dance doesn't fully cap my combo points.
Its not exactly a bug just an unfortunate interaction
Feature, really.
yeah idk, its just a m+ run not that big
they really acting like their life is on the line
if we dont time it...
bro relax
dude i still did more overall then the flavor of the month dh who should get a nerf hotfix tbh xd
Don't you know, M+ is cereal business.
feeling of deja vu 
But unironically
got the evokers that do same damage as tank too ? 
When you out DPS the flavor of the xpac, even after it got a buff...
Damn, at that point just hang it up.
I'll say it again : " LF triple dh 285 ilevel for my M10 key "
based on a true story
also he wasnt joking
Playing the class/spec you enjoy> flavor of the month. Always wins
I don't think that's even remotely good
ikr
Alright, 'sghetti or pizza?
yes
My guy trying to put me in food coma
❤️
how is yours hitting so hard 
they crit for 250k in raid lol
what's your crit amount ?
Wtf
31% with flask
phsyc comp power 😄
im at 35% with crit flask

just crit?
r2 pots and a prayer
idk I just push buttons
crit harder
that's with PE too lol
I'm logging on right now and I'm not logging off until I figure it out
pull to pull damage is funny
Wait is that the one you can get by dropping veil
imagine if I had a myth MH
no its the choice node with Warning Signs
r2 eyes of the eagle x2?
getting buffed next week too right ?
I thought it was already buffed
oh lol I never actually looked at that post
just crit harder 
wtf?
where can i peep this
on wowlogs
dmg done -> events
yeah bro i love the fat shadowstrikes so much feels so good
Last 8 of baldes
Is it PV?
you are running the m+ build 
thx
also maybe when you sim you can see highest crit amount, no ?
Was buffed on tuesday
But it was the best before that anyway

👍
109 in sims
they gave out the saddle it seems
109k ??
Is there any more information on why, for whatever reason, there’s a second or two delay before I can hit my second shadow dance in blades? I slam the button for so long and end up sending it off global
Wait reading this wrong prolly
no info happens to me sometimes aswell
not many people experience this
it was mentioned like 3 times
I just don’t know how to play around it. Macros don’t help like someone suggested. Instead, the sectech+dance macro just sends sectech
damn okay okay
So my max SS crits are 237k
Maybe I lowrolled like mad or something that vorasius idk
run less mastery
i just mash dance button and pray
For the most part you shouldnt be sending shadow dance immediately after the previous one ends
crit vers stonks huge shadowstrikes
Except with tfd in keys
I only got 84 vers
Weird
i cant even recreate it it happens so randomly
It’s mostly with tfd
But it’s just infuriating me because I don’t know how long to hold it before dance will work again
Sometimes it’s up to 3 seconds
Ye i have no idea, havent experienced it
Yeah, it feels so scuffed right now
blizz fix shadwblade cost?
if it happens mostly with tfd then probably a UI bug where the buff disappears on your cdm before its actually down
had that happen to me once
I’ll look at it
Are you using cooldown manager centered?
hey guys, first post here. im a 277 rogue with pretty much full bis. earlier today i did a myth vorasius and i only hit 89k dps. ive checked wowanalyzer and pretty much my rotation was 90% clean. I didn even realise at the time but I even had 3 PI..no aug evokers tho.. i did however miss an aug rune.. is there any pro around here that could check my log and give me any tips?
not to like burst your bubble but 277 is not close to BiS
you missing quite a bit of ilvl my friend
280 and we start thinking 
and pi is pretty useless on sub
i mean in terms of trinkets and having proper haste/mastery/crit
i feel like i should be doing more than 89k surely
Are you missing a lot of raid buffs?
nop
nah full raid buff except aug evokers i guess
i didn ask for it at all lol i only realised it in the logs
also dont think wowanalyzer is up to date unless im out of the loop
it is indeed not
yea i just wanted to see if i missed any shadow dance windows or something, but i hit like 13 perfect out of 16
I always hold a dance after the first soak so I’ll have one for the add spawns
Timing works out pretty good
imagine helping with the adds instead of tunneling boss
i have not once in my life hit the adds as sub on vorasius
could not be me
Anyone test if the old “vanish, storm, reset TFD” works with all these other bugs?
ii might be very late to this
but i noticed today past few hours
they hotfixed the 30 energy
on blades
i mean in mythic vorasius usually the adds go really far back - no point to go for it unless u have one fixated on u, no? i never got an add so i full nuked boss
Oh, vorasius and not aversion
Me not smart orc
so idk 
some guy in a yt video saying Sub got "massively" buffed
is 6% in the "massive" area though
do i bind emberwing feather to opener macro with shadow dance ? or do i press it wait 1 second then do opener ?asking for friend hehe
same as guidon
hey
at least he is mentionning it
I saw a lot of dudes just skipping over the rogue buffs and went milking the dh devourer ones
do we use different embelishments and weapon enchants to favor crit. now ?
i went from feeling like i was griefing in keys to feeling really strong, so i'd say the buffs were pretty massive imo
the guy just talks about all the bugs currently going on/that happened with the patch and even mentioned the 30 energy thing and giga smoke bomb that obscures vision for everyone kekw
nah its really just like swap your flask to crit
on boss yeah ngl
but with the shadow blades downtime on trash pulls It feels odd
tbh i dont even notice any difference in the downtime
still feels like i do alright damage outside of cds
yeah that's fair
Is there any place to see the exact damage of each ability in raid bots sim? I've scoured the HTML report and found a lot of details, but nothing correlating to the damage of each cast it's predicting.
Is the haste target like 700-800 in this patch?
Dropping mastery for haste or crit for haste?
!wa
Essential:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
Quality of Life:
Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
Mute Cold Blood sound
The first dance tracker
you get to the breakpoint and then you just fill the rest with crit/mast
Right, think it’s just a ring swap then, just got myth psb and it doesn’t seem to be bis anymore
whats ur crit after flask? idk i only have 81 vers so i dont think thats it
You can't really rely on sims for gearing atm best do it yourself so long as you're 700~ haste rating anything in crit and mastery you're good
Solid, thank you
But how does my crit affect my crit damage?

not the dmg but the variance
Sec lemme calc this so I don't waste r2 flask lmao
944
Is versatility not just like pretty worthless?
Yeah but they were doing way more shadowstrike max crit dmg than me
This was not useless to figure out, as I realised I was using the damn mastery offhand enchant
Versatility was just one angle we were looking at
Just checking nothing changed on the patch
No, just other stats are worth more
In the full report you can look at the Abilities section, "DPE" is damage per execute aka how much on average that ability does each time it's used, and then if you expand the arrow next to the ability you can get more detailed stats (be careful comparing this to logs or in-game numbers, sometimes this rolls up more than just the instant damage of the spell)
I can't catch a break man every week I'm still learning new shit
But my logs that fight were with mastery offhand enchant and I may not have upgraded my myth gaze back then
Now I got 244k max in sims
better than to plateau on clueless stuff
Yeah true tho
huge
I mean my performance keeps getting better in raid and such, so it's not like it's pointless at all
true true
But I'm gonna sim my catalysting legs and belt to see if a bit more versa would actually be beneficial
If it keeps my haste above 684 and increases my dps why not
Can't hurt to sim

But it says don't catalyst belt
Even though I would lose 30 haste from catalysted legs
Right yeah I'm just trolling myself atp
Whenever i've tried to minmax stats on crafted it just slammed everything from haste mastery to crit mastery and wanted me to have 500 haste apparently 2k dps increase though! 💀

I forgot my damned oils
977
crit after flask and oils

Yea I get this too, 500-600 is what the sim seems to want, but seems somethings odd with it
Yeah whenever the sims suggest anything involving haste I go super suspicious mode
is there a sperate macro name for light's potential rank 2?
ive tried spell id and rank 2
You want my blades macro?
sure
oh do you ahve to have the conditional [combat]?
Prioritises fleeting r2 > fleeting r1 > r2 potential > r1 potential
uhh
I didn't write this
Stealthi help

All I know is
It works and it works whenever I want it to
I think it also works out of combat
It does not
Interesting
got it
the conditional [combat] makes it so you can only use it when in combat
so it wont work if you're trying to prepull for whatever reason
!wa
Essential:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
Quality of Life:
Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
Mute Cold Blood sound
The first dance tracker
I looked into this last night too and ended up on just putting the potion I want to use in the main bag and the other in another bag and just swapping their position based on which I wanted to use. That way you only need one macro/keybind
time to close the game and wait for next vault and guild raid run 
#showtooltip Light's Potential
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309
Ya I get it but I don't always want to use Rank 2 if I'm just doing bs stuff
To each there own, swapping positions in bag is easy enough for me
i mean sure you can do that and there's nothing stopping you
but sounds like more work
i used to have two separate binds for each one
but i kept pressing wrong one
so before we were getting free cauldrons
i had 2 talent tree load outs for raid
one for prog
one not
the shadowstrike clone part that is
no
Not a bug its an unfortunate interaction
Weaponmaster can
ah true
how is it not a bug?
Just put the r2s in the bank
I only take them out for raid
"when you expend shadow technique stacks"
You never expend any shadow technique stacks when you have premed, as you just get full cp
ah
Is it safe to recraft? I cannot find any note in the updates so I don’t want to lose myth crests
We should just start calling it a bug maybe blizzard listens
Only a few people were having issues with this, fuu told me
So I decided to gamble and I didn't lose my crests
I've been thinking of getting arcui, does it affect FPS negatively at all?
They didn’t remove weakauras. They did remove combat tracking of auras and most things like that, so now all you can do is reskin what blizzard shows
I think they’re having trouble defending their decision these days
there is no real current replacement for outlaw's WA for example
I dint think they go back on it though
Aint no way the exact thing literally everybody said was gonna happen did in fact happen

hey man I just played a bit in tww early season and dip
, joined back in midnight and was like no WA ????? what did they smoke ???
There’s a mod called m33k aura that does some decent stuff
No one kill vorasius 🤣
When are the rouge Shadow Blades bug and the talent bug going to be fixed?
Like 2 hours ago
A few hours ago
This week bricked TTS alerts for my raid team, and we have a few raiders that rely on them heavily
Wait which "talent bug" got fixed
Idk what he meant by talent bug
Can someone link me these bugfixes
Oh wth is it fixed i was still pooling to 60
Premeditation bugs been fixed?
kind of dps increase nah ? I get to cycle my abilties faster
hi, where is the best to use the extra loot token ? POS and SR ?
from nexus with 1st bonus roll
BUT
i need myth chest
so it's a win
hell yeah nice
Goddamn is Pandaren just that much better
100% sky reach first
dagger and cloak are not bad
then nexus for ring set
Always played nelf but if its a dps buff for panda im up for it 🤣
I've been thinking of switching but human female ponytail physics bro my poor heart
if you get a bad leather piece you can always use catalyst on it
Hahaha but panda animations are kinda clean
Yeah some of these human animations are the exact same they were when I played back in wotlk (and came back short for wod)
Kinda sadge
Panda feint animation goes hard
im still a ugly maghar orc and i cba
Not me trying to time my screenshot for this epic ponytail moment
Give me like 5 min
Not the most flattering angle but uhh..
Tauren rogue best race anyways
u dont want extrahp+aoestop?
+best drip ingame?
+infinite aura also
+hooves
Now thats drippy
bro if its not pirate mog then idk
i wish i had a screenshot of my asylum escapist tauren mog
Like how am I supposed to say farewell to this smh.
Hello there.
I'm new to discord and somehow I got highlited in this channel which I havent read yet.
Wenn I write "@ditox" in the search-bar upper right from discord-client: I cant find any direct answers or messages to me.
Any idea how to search for the message, that was meant for me && I havent read it?
bro even this guy looks goofy
closest you can get to tauren rogue
Hm?
U probs got pinged by something and it got deleted or smthing
exactly like this one!
is there a discord-function, where I can search for replies to my messages? I was offline, when that happened it seems
Wait wtf? There is a bind to turn these back on?
Mentions:[name]
doesn't work. maybe cause of the german-client version. nvm ._.
edit mode -> turn on/off bar art
but thx @ foreverguy
I mean it'd probably be in the native language I'm not sure
But for example
I'm ngl that looks fire
Im so proud of it
I loved playing undead male a long time ago back when I arenad as undead warrior







