subtlety

[warm marlin]

dslice is pretty heavily weighted to st, but also guidon is probably better in m+ anyway

[graceful rock]

how much haste for 3 sec techs on bel egg

im like 1-.5s too short i think

[warm marlin]

you playing puzzle i assume?

[graceful terrace]

would you say puzzle box is the better choice in M+ always?

[fathom adder]

i guess because i got 800 haste and it is too much haste, probably would sim better with 700

[graceful rock]

yea, i did a 40s sim and the forbidden double on use was actually optimal but that sounds cringe and was before i got mythic gaze

[serene notch]

I think having a trinket line up on every blades window > every otehr blade window in practice

[warm marlin]

it lost a bit with new talents

also its really bad in the second burn

I think it was good before but after .5 its bad

anyway i can hit it with 697 haste if i box before the egg is alive

[lethal thorn]

its me or theres an error on wowhead for the m+ guide ?
we dont have the first dance in the talent export string

[wanton mantle]

If the sim isnt accounting for the bug properly and is already .5% behind then the actual bug being simmed included would lead to further lost believe fuu even said in an earlier post ur talking about pontentially 2.5-4% different. Thats not some minute difference

[remote rapids]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thin sinew]

you're not understanding it's not 0.5% behind for everyone the BUG is assumed to be 0.5% dps loss

[vale pine]

oh ye, wrong order, let me quick fix

[grand summit]

So what are peeps using their roles on?

[thin sinew]

Taking Prem for me is a 0.3% gain so in real terms only a -0.2% dps loss just to play the spec smoother?

Other people it's a big loss due to their crit rating

[vale pine]

seems like i made a copy/paste mistake in versioning

[tribal herald]

Guys, just logged in and testing new talents in Dummies... is SD kinda bugged inshide SB window? I have to literally spam SD button several times to apply the 2nd SD after the 1st is finishing

It was working smoothly until today's patch

[grand summit]

if taking premed is only like .5% im taking premed

[fossil forge]

+20%dmg

[fallow rampart]

guys can someone sent m+ build? or what we changing after patch

[worthy shale]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[thin sinew]

exactly. i can't get why they don't understand people like something to feel smooth over
uhm actually 0.5% dps is better

[grand summit]

I thought it was like 1-2%

[lilac stag]

Haven’t seen that all morning.

[thin sinew]

we've used completely different hero talents because they're awful to play despite them being ahead on sims

[rain swift]

wait, are we using vanish after the first shadowstrike on pull? or later into the fight?

[spiral needle]

whats this premed bug people keep talking about

[lilac stag]

if strike, stab, vanish strike is going to kill vibes just play premed

[tall bloom]

so what the issue with prem why its a dps loss?

[lilac stag]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[spiral needle]

doesn't it function exactly as the apex reads rather than a bug?

seems more like bad design

[vale pine]

not sure yet, either chimerus or skyreach

[grand summit]

maybe I need to use vanish more then

[vale pine]

as i get the most potential upgrades from skyreach

[wintry heart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mmek3sesRQdU7EZFRFQhqk

[spiral needle]

apex says you gotta pull points from shadow tech, which premed can't do

[crystal bone]

i used mine on pit and AA

got pants and ring

[vale pine]

tho m+ bonusrolls are buggy atm

nice

[grand summit]

lowk I was thinking skyreach or Alleria, I have my gaze already heroic

[wintry heart]

I dont think I should trust this sim.. its telling me to not craft crit haste ring and that would put me well under cap

[haughty heart]

The 30 energy cost for smoke bomb... wtf is this game, 15$ monthly and 50 every 2 years

[vale pine]

!cc

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[vale pine]

its a bug

[haughty heart]

I know

Thats why im saying that

[vale pine]

but yes,

[grand summit]

I cant prove it BUT, i think its because they pasted distract onto it

[vale pine]

the latest patches def. seemed to point at some problems in quality control

[ebon pawn]

Yep got the cloak 2x in pit 🙁 i wonder if they will reimburse rolls

[haughty heart]

It prob wont get fixed until the last titan

[grand summit]

is it worth saving rolls until they get fixed or just gamba??

[spiral needle]

cloud cover makes stuff face you, it's very obvious spaghetti code

[crystal bone]

that's because it casts distract

[glacial eagle]

did they just
put a distract cast

that's why it costs 30 energy????

[spiral needle]

yep

[glacial eagle]

FUCKING LMAO

[spiral needle]

it's just casting distract without cating distract

use it near a dummy

watch it suddenly become sentient

[haughty heart]

Ye its because before the patch it was a distract talent

Im crying

It cant be this joke

[pastel geyser]

this is standard blizzard things

[haughty heart]

They cant even change a fcking code...

[muted frigate]

so we not only have to build to 7 with backstab, we have to pool energy before we press our cooldowns?

[crystal bone]

losing stealth sound, bugged bonus rolls, housing doesnt even work

[muted frigate]

at least til bugfix

[haughty heart]

Ye lmao

[crystal bone]

[lilac pendant]

Calm before storm

amirite

[haughty heart]

Till the last titan

[spiral needle]

sadly i dont think the premed thing is a bug, just poorly thought out interaction

[grand summit]

yep if you macro sectech and blades, you need 60 emergy

[dense geode]

not taking premed is a bait

[pastel geyser]

blizzard has a habit of never fixing rogue bugs so we'll see if they fix it

[tall bloom]

is it that much of loss not to take premed?

[mild rampart]

yeah, why is ephemeral bond taken over premed?

[fast flax]

Rn for m+ is outlaw>sin>sub?

[tall bloom]

we are taking increase healing instead of premade feels like shit

[dense geode]

cause of a clone, bug that makes you POTENTIALLY do .5% less dps

sacrificing that QOL is actually a bait imo.

[grand summit]

idk where everyone is getting 600 haste rn

[pallid jackal]

What is your aoe opener btw? Other classes seem to pull much more

[spiral needle]

apex would need to be changed for it to work

[limber ore]

Laughs in 713 haste

[stuck arrow]

I think all 3 specs fine for m+.

Ol probably the best. But Sin and Sub around the same - Sin a bit more damage. Sub a bit more survivability.

[grand summit]

is it confirmed like .5%?

[wintry heart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bL17T3vwyJGcKeUnPc77WY Can someone take a look at this sim. The robot really wants me to get away from haste and I know that isn't right. How do I fix it to a set amount of haste

[dense geode]

no but that is the word on the street id ask the green guys or the orange guys

[tribal herald]

Guys, is Shadow Dance bugged? It doesn't let me use the 2nd charge while the 1st charge is in cooldown.... I have to wait till the 1st charge full recharges to use SD again... wtf?

[oblique fable]

Just get your haste to 700

[wintry heart]

Yee ill just have to go against robot

[honest dome]

is recrafting still bugged? :x

[lilac stag]

You’re using m+ talents for a ST sim

[wintry heart]

Yee I m+ so thats just my usual talents

I dont really raid

[summer cloud]

can we already upgrade items to 298 ?

[lilac stag]

that’s going to impact what the sim wants / suggests.

Get 700ish and go mastery/crit

[solar glen]

No

[unkempt drum]

Might be best to do Chim for Gaze and then maybe try to get a weapon?

[crystal bone]

nope, blizz loves their timegating

[hoary orchid]

guys i might have a dumb question, do sims take into consideration the 700ish haste vs lower? because im around 650 and simming food/flask and it doesnt recomend the haste ones

[shrewd lantern]

realistically the difference is likely larger

on fights with damage amps

[grand summit]

I need someone to do the math on premed

[shrewd lantern]

not being able to spawn apex clones

[dense geode]

how many have dmg amps tho only one that comes to mind is salad

[vale pine]

ye possible

[shrewd lantern]

though i cant really notice a difference

besides starts opener later

[grand summit]

thought we couldnt get weapons rn

or is that the forge

[dense geode]

no premed on M alleria felts good since its benefits you technically

[fossil forge]

for me its chimmy and pit so i guess its diff for everyone

[vale pine]

we can get weapons

there are technically 4 good dungeons

pit/skyreach/aa/nexus

depending on what you need

[limber ore]

Chimmy and Imp for me - Raid lead has yet to bestown me with a guidon

[vale pine]

i got guidon last raid

so i am set there ^^

[tribal herald]

@vale pine Do you know if there is any bug related with Shadow Dance? Since this patch I cannot use the 2nd charge of the Shadow Dance correctly

[limber ore]

I got passed up for an Unholy DK - hero - myth despite me running hero puzzle and champ gaze

[worthy timber]

Still stuck pugging ):

[unkempt drum]

Is there a way to sim for the best voidcore uses or do we just need to manually sim potential items?

[fallow nimbus]

ST sim likes crit, like a lot

[dense geode]

droptimzer

[wanton mantle]

U cant shadow dance again while dance is active your either hitting it early or ur lag is causing an issue i raided and m+ last night with 0 issue on dance.

[vale pine]

i haven't played yet

[trail epoch]

Is there a sim diff for upgrading the dagger from Vorasius vs Bel'oren with bis gear?

[vale pine]

but i am only aware of the blades bug

[grand summit]

how bad of an idea is it to fish for alleria neck

[tribal herald]

i know u cannot SD again during dance

[vale pine]

the neck isn't that big of an upgrade over a normal mythic neck

[dense geode]

you can do that in top gear you can add pieces you wish to sim from there

[vale pine]

so rly depends

its still a good item

[grand summit]

im just so haste homless

[lilac stag]

here's the real question.... does taking Planned Execution reduce weapon repair frequency?

[lime wigeon]

It does

[shrewd lantern]

im sending on xenas again

[grand summit]

what do we want from xenas?

[shrewd lantern]

but no real difference since i dont have enough gilded

to slam one of the rings

[west tide]

guys i bonus rolled voroasius

and got the crit ring

not bad not bad tbh

[grand summit]

I think im double rolling on Skyreach

[tribal herald]

Whenever the 1st Charge is in CD, I cannot use the 2nd charge (despite being available)... During opener I cannot maintain SD the whole SB window cause i have to wait 2-3s for the 1st charge to full recharge.... Ofc this has never happened before until today

[west tide]

make sure u roll the same key level!

i need a myth weapon

my luck is terrible (all my slots are almost mythic)

just no dag

[grave wyvern]

if i don't have guidon should I aim for 800 hast ?

thx

[faint hemlock]

Is recrafting bugged again?

[grave mango]

I think so, unless they fixed it after maintenance today.

[faint hemlock]

i get 3,5k upg from recraftin, but i guess not today then

[grand summit]

wym?

[dense geode]

Bug where if you do the bonus roll on different key level it doesnt count towards the fail safe.

[grand summit]

LOL

[dense geode]

If you do a 10 bonus roll and do an 11 next. That item you won will be in the loot pool still

[shrewd lantern]

How does one gain that much from recraft

[somber sun]

is a 1,5% dps increase sim'd crafted item worth crafting ( 275 neck to 285 crafted ) ? Also weirdly enough, upgrading my off hand to max hero tier is not even reaching such damage increase...

[vale pine]

offhand weapon is not worth much

its the worse of the upgrades you can get

but you can't upgrade now, it seems like the system releases at a later date

[somber sun]

much thanks

[dense geode]

I personally wouldnt craft an item ive already upgraded

cause then I feel like I wasted crests 😭

[somber sun]

yeah idk

[wanton mantle]

Are u using a macro? Have u tried it with ONLY using the SD ability itself. This sounds like a macro problem my SD only has SD and secret tech im it i ran it all night 0 issue

[chilly dagger]

I took the Krick's beetle stabber out of vault yesterday and I have those in my vault today:
Kroluks sims the highest (it wants to remove my puzzle box...)

Need some picking help 🙁

[somber sun]

all my sims are at max 2% dmg increase

idk what to do xdd

( except getting mythic tier items )

and the two bis trinkets ofc

[dense geode]

If you really want to optimize I would sim your best set up in top gear, then do droptimzer with that set up. Then remove potential items that could drop from raid if youre doing that.

Cause if you do saladbar Mythic for example and a neck drops and you just crafted a neck...

well gg

[last horizon]

so 12.0.5 still going 800haste without Guidon ? or 700 and crit/mastery?

[tribal herald]

Yes, I do have macro SD + ST. Im testing now without macro

[grand summit]

taking premed is .4% loss man, it aint worth it

[pallid jackal]

I am wondering what your guys' aoe opener is for max opener if not the same as the guide

[short aurora]

guys

how ethical is it to remove for premed

isnt that a healer job anyways

[sharp ravine]

Losing Dmg by using Premed

[short aurora]

fk

[ashen warren]

idk if I go haste crit legs or AA ring

[short aurora]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[fossil forge]

lowkey eb with some leech goes crazy hard

8% extra healing is huge also

[short aurora]

ye

im jsut looking at cast timelines

that shit looks horrendus

[willow fulcrum]

I know why we shouldn't take premed, but it feels so bad to spam backstab on pull -.-

[dense geode]

take premed

[chilly dagger]

can I get Darkmoon Sigil Hunt on another slot? Is double 289 weapon a thing and losing my crafted weapon?

[grand summit]

.4% man isnt worth it

[warm marlin]

no its weapon only

[tribal herald]

You have Guidon?

[warm marlin]

also offhand is our worst slot so in fullbis you want it to be crafted since the ilvl matters least there

[fallow rampart]

guys i swap from sin for a bit and check dps, i have 914 crit 554 mastery, is it ok with crit? im trying sim and swap some crit for mastert but dps lower.

[sacred jewel]

guess i have to farm algethar 😭 hate that dungeon

[chilly dagger]

then my vault is really shitty ewww

[wanton mantle]

I don't

[gilded ferry]

damn, simming like 9k more in OL now than sub

[tall bloom]

Get 3rd bonus roll if no upgrades

[ember hull]

so whats the st opener for raid

[solar glen]

Shadwstrike Backstab Vanish Shadowstrike cooldown no?

[tribal herald]

I think is Guidon related... cause its not happening to me when im not using it...

[warm marlin]

bonus roll isnt so bad, i assume you already have shoulders and chest myth track

[dire ravine]

bis outlaw dagger, i think

[warm marlin]

sockets arent bad this tier

[red flame]

Guys not only do we get an extremely scuffed, buggy patch release as per usual

[chilly dagger]

chest yes, shoulder not, that'd be a 0,5% upgrade

[red flame]

But we also get the new huge China-only exclusive promotion

You genuinely cannot make ts up

[chilly dagger]

time to reroll to outlaw you say? : D

[wanton mantle]

That would be an interesting bug if its not allowing u to 2nd dance becuz the cd/duration changed cuz guidon

[fiery fog]

wondering if its worth to go to 670 haste (from 692) to take the AA ring from vault?

[dire ravine]

probably, lol

[tribal herald]

thats exactly whats happening to me right now in the dummies

[wanton mantle]

However nobody else here is complaining about guidon bugs

[frank wolf]

Almost certainly

[swift tinsel]

wowhead writing a legitimately critical article about the state of the patch release: mission impossible

[tribal herald]

and that worries me even more

[wanton mantle]

And u shouldnt be back to back SD with guidon anyway and thats probably why

[tall bloom]

Same happened to me cant click second charge of sd i have to wait 1-2 sec

[tribal herald]

if u have First Dance u can

[steel zinc]

Smoke bomb stuff will grief half your raid on some boss fights looking at lura

[tribal herald]

on opener

[slender granite]

Where in raidbots do u get this visualization?

[wanton mantle]

Why are u using first dance?

[solar glen]

Droptimizer? Scroll down?

[tribal herald]

cause depending on the M+ its good option

[potent heath]

!spread

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sacred jewel]

droptimizer all m+ dungeons, (and look for someone who has raidbots premium 😂 )

[barren wedge]

Hey what do we think for l'ura, sub or outlaw ?

[wanton mantle]

Ditch first dance n move on with ur life

[tribal herald]

I mean, thats an option to avoid the issue, not to know how to fix it

[warm marlin]

[slender granite]

Without premium u need to go one by one, right?

[warm marlin]

sub is good too though

[sacred jewel]

yea

[slender granite]

As well as the enormous queue

[fiery fog]

sub probably deals better with the lura adds

[wanton mantle]

I dont think its a fixable situation and again nobody else here is having it.

[grand summit]

sub bec it is funnerererer

[warm marlin]

from the logs i saw its just dev dh anyway

[slender granite]

What do you guys think about assa? it does seem very viable in higher keys and raids

[warm marlin]

and mm (maybe not anymore)

[swift tinsel]

MM in shambles bc they have to run their aoe talent in aoe

[vale osprey]

Stinker bore spec

[cursive tundra]

any idea why doesn't this use Light's Potential? everything else is cast properly, it goes SD,SB, ST

but it never ever uses my pot

[slender granite]

Not like sub is more engaging haha.... at least in midnight

[cursive tundra]

it used my max quality pots

but not my low rank

[shell hollow]

Use item ids

[vale osprey]

It 100% is

[shrewd lantern]

it literally doesnt matter which spec you play

they all suck

[slender granite]

reality with rogues lol

[finite lynx]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[loud wharf]

Cant have two levels of pots in your bags

Not even in bank

[tribal herald]

dont use SD on same Macro as Guidon, u need to delay SD like 0.3s for Guidon Haste to be applied

[shell hollow]

Yeah you have to press guidon alone

[loud wharf]

You would have to update macro to read the ID of the low rank potion.

[shell hollow]

Before your cds

[cursive tundra]

sorry, but where do you see trinket there?

[unkempt drum]

shit I totally missed the Coup/Powder macro last time I checked this, that's nice

[cursive tundra]

that's completely besides the point of what I asked

[prisma ibex]

30 energy SB is fixed guys?

[shell hollow]

Go look at what the item ids for the potions are, and put the lower rank item id in there instead

Question answered

[crisp jetty]

anyone else's stealth sound bugged?

[lilac stag]

Removed

[shrewd lantern]

people play with sound?

[tall bloom]

Just have to be in mele cause it will not cast blackpowder if coup available

[shrewd lantern]

[spice matrix]

Can only pray

[slender granite]

This is hella throwing the rotation fr

[grand summit]

wait is it actually?

[prisma ibex]

yeah

[unkempt drum]

yeah, wouldn't want to be out of range of the target and just slam a dead coup button lol

[slender granite]

ngl playing without sound is like lowering volume in heavy traffic. works perfectly

[loud wharf]

Yeah we are now building to 7cp with backstab in opener and you realistically need 60 energy to press buttons.

[shrewd lantern]

[loud wharf]

30 for SB and 30 for Sectec

[shrewd lantern]

music 200%

rl muted

peak vibes

jk

[lilac stag]

nope

[grand summit]

https://tenor.com/view/table-hit-yakuza-hitting-table-walk-out-gif-15307369

[shrewd lantern]

people expecting rogue bugs to be fixed

ahahahahha

[prisma ibex]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rockstargames-gta-trilogy-gtatrilogy-0Wzkc9iirQ4ZI7JoaD

[shadow snow]

one question, on cleave fights, do we change anything like we did before?

[short aurora]

backstab 4x into pool 60 energy

[shrewd lantern]

just do it twice and get lucky

noob

[lilac stag]

Nope. Still #assassination

[slender granite]

maybe in the last titan lol

[slender granite]

the real loop is sub having assa gameplay with energy pooling lol

[bronze turret]

Well if they fix that bug they might fix the 150% crit damage too

[slender granite]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[finite hedge]

Any news on the bonus rolls being fixed?

[slender granite]

the bug with nimble flurry?

[bronze turret]

No the bug where it also triples the 50% crit damage fazed talent

[lilac stag]

*feature

[fallow rampart]

someone have link where is on wowhead like all bis rolls on every spec? i found it on office pc and now cant find when coming home

[swift tinsel]

you can extend a hearty feast buff with a regular feast lol

[alpine wraith]

sometimes but not always

[empty bobcat]

what would you roll for if you dont have gaze and guidon yet and do not Mythic raid? Academy and Windrunner?

[alpine wraith]

for some reason yea

[swift tinsel]

and supposedly if you get a hearty secondary stat buff and then consume a primary stat feast it bumps it up to 100 primary stat

[shrewd lantern]

best bonus rolls are literally loot dependent

[wanton mantle]

Basicly there is no good answer here. Play it by feel and honestly if ur only heroic raiding it doesnt matter.

[shrewd lantern]

Like no reason to roll on these bosses

if you have this

[short aurora]

quick flex

[keen dome]

i'm coming for your gaze

[solar glen]

https://tenor.com/view/yuck-gif-8157463497652432250

[shrewd lantern]

i feel the renown trinket is better

than a 250 gaze

[short aurora]

0.3%

[wintry heart]

I have these on heroic and I’m still not going into mythic lmao

[short aurora]

ye

[ember hull]

the opener feels horrible without premed

its like 200k with and without its like 130k

[shrewd lantern]

0.3% when it also gives 10% movespeed

sounds like a good deal

idk

[keen dome]

i'm gonna throw a bonus roll token at graf and see if I win his trinket.

[ember hull]

idk if im convinced its worth

[short aurora]

ye i use

just posted it for the meme

[haughty heart]

the new talent for pvp is goated, they think is a regular Smoke bomb HAHAHHAAH so they get inside

[shrewd lantern]

you think blizz bothered to consider its the same visual

[swift tinsel]

blizz QA really cookin

top tier

[river coral]

im so confused about this change from premed, in my sim its 88 dps difference, am i missing somethng?

[haughty heart]

Lmao

[swift tinsel]

like I'm convinced they didn't actually look at one single thing before shipping this patch

[keen dome]

if you think about it, this is a pretty minor bugged path if we look at 11.0.5 and 11.1.5

[unkempt drum]

If you don't have a M weapon yet wouldn't you pursue that? Like the Pit dagger (that's likely what I'll do, having H Gaze)

[keen dome]

it's an improvement!

[swift tinsel]

uhhh I'm not so sure about that lol

we had 1-3 people dc every single pull last night

our druid could dance with lura

[keen dome]

11.0.5 was when they literally copied stuff over without merged hotfixes

[bronze turret]

You think premed is worth 70k dps in the opener?

[empty bobcat]

raid gear drops from that void caches too right?

[ember hull]

just off the rip i mean

[swift tinsel]

the whole bonus roll system is hardly functional

[ember hull]

to get it immediatley

[sacred jewel]

we gotta do the same now, no diff

[swift tinsel]

the two new game modes are riddled with bugs as well

[sacred jewel]

oh i misread, thats what u r saying

[swift tinsel]

recrafting bug is apparently back

[lilac stag]

Existing game modes are also riddled with bugs.

[keen dome]

I wonder if they forgot to merge the server side fix stuff again

that would explain the crafting bug being back lol

[bleak night]

you're fucking insane

[swift tinsel]

cloud cover shows in keys but not raid

[warm marlin]

that one is probably intentional

they are just clueless

[keen dome]

11.0.5 was buggier than this

[bleak night]

absolutely not

[keen dome]

Do you not remember how much they broke?

[cloud rover]

Every Patch since DF is bugged af

[swift tinsel]

we had pulls on lura where the ability queue was completely random

[bleak night]

this is genuinely the worst state ive seen the game in since i started playing in mop

[swift tinsel]

had a whole p1 with no crystal spawn

[cloud rover]

DF Prepatch

Where Tindral didnt land

like you couldnt play at all

[bleak night]

so like right now, where paladins can just not spawn, or respawn mid fight, or spawn but not do mechanics

[tall bloom]

Shadowlands ?

[keen dome]

Wasn't that bugging out before the patch?

[bleak night]

im talking about bugs

[quaint breach]

was rolling voidcores in raid broken or is it safe?

[lilac stag]

Bug wise they’re going above and beyond.

[bleak night]

oh well since it was bugged before the patch it doesnt count as being bugged

[lilac stag]

Anything previously

[keen dome]

Also don't get me wrong, it is not good. I am not defending it as good. It just doesn't feel as buggy as some of the absolute insane shit we had in 11.0.5 or 11.1.5 which were due to the patches

[warm marlin]

you can only roll once so who knows if the duplicate bug is happening

[keen dome]

Well, no. It is bugged but it doesn't count as 12.0.5 causing it.

[idle echo]

how do we play around apex proc without premed?

[lilac stag]

Stayed tuned for next weeks adventure friends

[bleak night]

there is literally not a single thing they added this patch that isnt bugged

[formal helm]

this backstab spam feels shit.

[bleak night]

not a single thing they changed works as intended

[quaint breach]

duplicate meaningi get 2 items or getting items ive already got?

[warm marlin]

you can get an item you already got in m+

[weak glade]

insane

[swift tinsel]

ye reading through other class discords it sounds like most of the new talent/spell updates are bugged as well lmao

[hazy breach]

You can still roll twice, just dont get unlucky

[haughty heart]

Vanish

[weak glade]

love how blizz talkes 7 hours to install the patch and it doesnt work

[cloud rover]

But Blizzard knows how to ease the anger of Players

[wanton mantle]

Exactly there really isnt a great answer. Its all situational

[loud wharf]

Its likely youre not getting cloud cover. Make sure you have 30 energy when. Pressing blades.

[quaint breach]

ok, ill send it chimmy mythic, need almost everything

[weak glade]

and during raid last night we lagged so hard we couldnt evne reclear vorasius m

[warm marlin]

I had a look at the udk talent tree recently and im amazed that works at all

[cloud rover]

With a Mount that has an item Upgrader, AH and Transmogger! For 90 €

[warm marlin]

there are legit 6 different talents that are pet based that summon other pets that buff other pets

i cant even imagine the spaghetti

[lilac stag]

Want proof this is the buggiest shit they’ve done? NA Beta test on reset has now added EU to the beta tester pool.

[formal helm]

still feels shit.

[ember hull]

so if i have it macroed to st do i need 60

[loud wharf]

Yep

[crystal bone]

oh really? i like this actually

[loud wharf]

Or you'll miss sec tec and have tk press separate

[hazy breach]

Oh fuck my bad i linked the message, sec

[crystal bone]

or do you mean it doesnt show for us as well?

[bleak night]

based ghouls

[marble oriole]

[swift tinsel]

our dk's were malding in raid about it

[vivid drift]

what do you guys think? do i pick gaze or myth dagger?

[lilac stag]

all you eu folk are getting to experience NA life.

https://tenor.com/view/die-hard-john-mc-clane-welcome-to-the-party-pal-glass-break-gif-15466663

[swift tinsel]

pres also just can't use Dream Breath with Stasis

[brittle imp]

may I ask a potentially stupid question (returning player) why the hell do we skill Empherial Bond? and not Premed?

Build from wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/subtlety/trickster/EAPEFVUVRUVRFWYIFQCUROVRRRFRVEVQWkUNCVAFFVVVUCAA

[fallow rampart]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[stuck arrow]

Lol it's like guidon snap rippled across 10 minions lol

[formal helm]

pins

[keen dome]

This is the funniest bug so far, though: https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1ssheni/random_players_in_silvermoon_being_marked_as/

[swift tinsel]

lmfao I saw that too!!

[keen dome]

It's amazing

[lilac stag]

[fallow rampart]

guys am i correct, i should always have full energy for burst and working smoke?

[alpine wraith]

i provide count

[spiral needle]

be ungovernable, don't check the pins

[plucky pier]

So ya'll are telling me that Blizz made this talent by having Shadow Blades throw a distract at your feet but forgot to remove the energy cost of Distract? Lmao

[stuck arrow]

You just know some exec at Blizzard is just loving how much money was saved with AI 😂

[lilac stag]

AH mount vendor got attached to our DK. Apparently new commmander ghoul.

[keen dome]

lmao

[small rose]

So does anyone feel the clunkiness of the new rotation? Or is it my 60 ping

[swift tinsel]

the game is just a shit mess

[keen dome]

I wonder if they can recruit random npcs

[swift tinsel]

we almost called raid early last night

[paper flame]

do we play around master of shadows with this giga energy starved ST opener?

stealth 0,5-1 sec pulltimer?

[swift tinsel]

bel wasn't bad but lura was real bad

[fossil forge]

wtf mosmaxxing tech

[keen dome]

that's amazing

[crystal bone]

its patches like these (every patch) that makes me relieved i raid on weekends

[stuck dune]

Anyone have a good write up on the sub rogue changes?

[keen dome]

in the pins

[stuck dune]

Ty!

[keen dome]

but aoe blind is back. cloud cover is now good but bugged to cost 30 energy because they copy pasted distract onto it or something funny

[steel zinc]

the new hero talent visual is just shit for some spots

[lilac stag]

[brittle imp]

do you happen to know if thats a bugged interaction or intended?

[swift tinsel]

should really have cloud cover be lower strata than ground spell effects

[spiral needle]

when they hotfix the energy cost, I would definitely like the graphic to be nerfed as well

[keen dome]

They should've give us the kyveza visual for blades with cloud cover

[quiet condor]

how important is the 700 haste threshhold? shoud i consider using flask to hit it as opposed to just using crit flask?

[mortal violet]

aoe blind doesnt even do aoe if you target the current orbs in M+ you have to target an enemy thats near the orbs to aoe them

[steel zinc]

if they wont you wont play it on lura

your hard griefing your raid playing the new talent or changed talent on lura

[swift tinsel]

my raid didn't see my cloud

[lilac stag]

Raid can’t see it

[keen dome]

It doesn't show up in raid

[steel zinc]

ohhh really?

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

even when I dropped it during break

its only keys/open world

[keen dome]

Or rather, only the rogue who dropped it can see it

[warm marlin]

it is just the rogue that must game through the smoke cloud

[keen dome]

I did chim with another rogue and I couldn't see theirs

[broken seal]

Do we change something on the talent build in M+ since the new update ? I don't know if the Sub FAQ has been updated

[marble oriole]

people in my keys kept getting in it thinking it was a darkness

[swift tinsel]

good tell them its a dr

gaslight

[shrewd lantern]

grayest darkness

[swift tinsel]

they won't know

[shrewd lantern]

ever

[stuck arrow]

Nah. Just need to tell people is a DR. Let em think it's rotational smoke bomb.

Which it is for us. But lol.

Increase the M+ stocks baby.

[graceful rock]

Do we use the crit damage ring enchants now?

[swift tinsel]

tell them its a DR but don't tell them its only for you

[keen dome]

someone in a key asked me about it and i told them it was a group wide DR so they should tank in it

then they kept tanking in it the whole key

[steel zinc]

your 100% sure?

[swift tinsel]

yes

[marble oriole]

based

[steel zinc]

ok thats gaoted then

[warm marlin]

they have been better for me for a while now

[swift tinsel]

every single person in disc said they could not see it

[keen dome]

I literally killed cihm with another rogue today and I did not see their cloud.

[stuck arrow]

Lool I love how we all had that thought. 😂

[warm marlin]

they can see it in keys and arena matches, they cannot see it in raid

[swift tinsel]

I hit blades during break outside combat and dropped the cloud right on everyone

[vivid spindle]

is Enchant Weapon - Acuity of the Ren'dorei on both, main and offhand better than: 1x Enchant Weapon - Acuity of the Ren'dorei , 1x Arcane MasterY?

[swift tinsel]

was not visible to them

[hazy breach]

ye idk theyve simmed the highest every single profile ive checked back when they were 1.25%

[shrewd lantern]

i can smell it being nerfed in arena

or changed

[hazy breach]

So obviously now that theyre 2% theyre quite good

[swift tinsel]

eh who cares about arena

[warm marlin]

yeah i stopped even including other enchants

[shrewd lantern]

considering it looks the same as a very real cd

[keen dome]

they should let us use a glyph to colour the smoke

[hazy breach]

Either, it doesnt really matter

[warm marlin]

because eyes was so busted

[swift tinsel]

they can do whatever the want in pvp

[shrewd lantern]

unless hostile one is not red

[warm marlin]

the amount of trinkets im getting

and people running into the smoke

[shrewd lantern]

hostile smokebomb is red

[warm marlin]

is so funny

[lilac stag]

real go crit

[warm marlin]

its actually dumb

[shrewd lantern]

prob dumber for outlaw

since you'd not trinket adr pop anyway

[warm marlin]

its just a regular smokebomb but like 15% larger

they are hard to distinguish

if you dont know that the cds pop them

[bleak night]

lmao i didnt think of that

thats so cursed actually

[marble oriole]

thats hilarious

[hazy breach]

If you want to AoEmaxx you want to probably want 2x mastery on your weapons, but that sacrifices a bit of ST

[sweet moss]

is it normal for 263 guidon to sim better than 289 pzuzle

[stuck arrow]

Not cursed. It's wonderful.

Let the masses think it's smoke bomb for real for real.

[wanton mantle]

When ur simming puzzle do u have 800 haste?

[lilac stag]

we're not a 2min spec

[hazy breach]

Imagine if the vaelgor trinket wasnt int exclusive

We would bang so hard

[halcyon roost]

What if u just double on use

[wanton mantle]

Dont threaten me with a good time

[dense geode]

would caelgoir sim higher than most in asoe even when int

[fossil forge]

lower spell density

[hazy breach]

No, the agi is too good

[bleak night]

ye you could use vaelgor then deal with the bug of it just not going off when you press it

[hazy breach]

But its not that far behind

[halcyon roost]

I was thinking about double on use on sin

Surely its garbo

[sweet moss]

yes

[warm marlin]

in burst vaelgor is only like 1% behind despite being int

[lilac stag]

then miss fight mechanics

[warm marlin]

it is quite insane

[fossil forge]

cant have everything

[lilac stag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/snake-eyes-gi-joe-origins-tommy-arashikage--k01KPV3H38EQ3S3JB2K69G4W5Q2

[stuck arrow]

I raid with a devastation Evoker lol.

I long ago gave up being able to see anything and just put a crosshair on my screen lol

[wanton mantle]

Than yes probably. Dslice favors st. But even on the target dummies box did more burst add in more mobs it scales better. But pick ur posion

[lilac stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif?ex=69e9bc40&is=69e86ac0&hm=69e9494c89a248eeedb4acf49fc8d9351cdef9d90d9ded1770e07bbbffc4b3b5&

[broken seal]

Little question, do you prefer using First dance or 1 point on finality for the sub talents ?? Because People never really wait you for the next pull

[sweet moss]

bros just get used to guidon ig

gotta redo all my gear to get 700 hate now tho

smh

[lilac stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035163024480276640/1495101632759730388/puzzle_box_1.gif?ex=69ea4b66&is=69e8f9e6&hm=a4b35d23c818b02f5ba055a6a15de434965507ac0ca78ca10371d8ab03984ce2&

[celest mulch]

is it worth rolling for gaze when its the only item on that boss that i need? my gear is mostly hero track still

[edgy imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2NNHsf8rRoSuLA7DQLedmV says to run puzzlebox & embral feather

[fallow rampart]

can someone help with macro, when im using macro on burst, macro stopped after shadow blades and smoke

[river coral]

guys can you tell me why the differnce in my sim is only 88 dps between premed and no premed?

i thought this would be some big difference

or atleast not hat small

[keen dome]

Post the macro

[lilac stag]

likely confused by your mog

[eternal abyss]

Where is this prop hunt thingy? I wanna try it

[slender granite]

whats ur stats

prob low crit

[river coral]

720 haste

[keen dome]

Quest begins in the bank in Silvermoon

[fallow rampart]

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Secret Technique

[lilac stag]

too far away or not enough energy

[keen dome]

Probably because you don't have enough energy to cast SecTec

[slender granite]

smoke bomb is bugged and requires 30 energy. so u need 60 energy for ur macro to work

[river coral]

876 crit

[slender granite]

damn. and the difference between premed and the rotten is only 88 dps?

[fossil forge]

anyone else has delay problems with second dance in opener

idk if im restarted or something

im doing everything the same way i did before

[ember hull]

i did as well teek

[fossil forge]

i be pressin dance that shit takes like 4 presses sometimes

[ember hull]

yeah same

[vale osprey]

Mine was showing -0.1% using premed, someone said you gotta add an extra -0.5% tho because the sim doesn't count premed bug DPS loss

[fossil forge]

its very random though

[fallow rampart]

does bomb have little cast time? my burst not looking smooth like before...

[river coral]

wym premed and rotten? isnt it between premed and the healing talent?

am i high

[slender granite]

Ahhh ok

No ur not high

Maybe the premed bug was fixed?

that was the reason it was not being ran

u can see in !bugs

[keen dome]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[slender granite]

this

[vocal rock]

Dang just realized I gotta pay up to recraft my gear to crit stat weights

[slender granite]

maybe raidbots does not account for the bug? idk

[vale osprey]

I just said it doesn't

[vocal rock]

The crafter lobby had their hands in this buff somehow I just known it

[thick lark]

is outlaw better than sub now?

[quaint breach]

whats a good crit %?

[wanton mantle]

Outlaw is never better period.

[whole willow]

Heroic Guidon or Mythic Puzzle Box vault options...Sims have a 1% relative dps difference.

My previous puzzle box experience was...subpar, felt like it always made me play worse trying to optimize it. How troll is it to take the Heroic Guidon? Haven't done mythic raids.

[slender granite]

Even if it is, u gotta get ready to triple your APM and be cracked to react to the procs

[slender granite]

what are ur current trinkets?

[neon frigate]

Poeh it is really hard with the smoke buff. If tank moves you are screwed ?

[whole willow]

Heart of Wind and Solarflare

[slender granite]

it stays for 10sec after u leave

[chilly dagger]

And for general m+? Outlaw outperforming? Is one or the other easier to play?

[slender granite]

and the smoke is pretty big

[slender granite]

I can speak for myself, the guidon is so goood to use. rotation gets really smooth

[whole willow]

Going to run both bosses before choosing in the event Guidon or Gaze drops.

[slender granite]

puzzle is very very good for m+

re run the raids and dungeons before choosing

[whole willow]

Yup! Thanks!

[warm marlin]

outlaw probably better and harder but i havent really played both yet

[keen dome]

Has anybody tested AoE blind on Lothraxion yet

[fallow rampart]

im ok with 900 crit and mastery haste in keys? trying swap crit on mastery and that drop my dps on sim a lot

[wanton mantle]

Feels like bait

[fallow rampart]

pet my udk trying help us with interruptin Lothraxion

[sweet moss]

how much dps ppl simming on st

[keen dome]

Oh, no bait. I just want to know if it kills everybody. Someone must've done it already

[bleak night]

https://x.com/Hipposareneat/status/2037636384974840146

hippo (@Hipposareneat)

X · Mar 27, 2026, 9:02 PM

[keen dome]

YES

Good

[bleak night]

dratnos the gigachad

[keen dome]

Funniest boss this season

[sacred shell]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[finite hedge]

wowhead class bug article not even mentioning rogues

we're still in stealth

[keen dome]

A tank buddy I do keys with keeps doing it on the boss 'cos she can immune it and knows I can live it with cheat death, and their other paladin friend will bubble

I wanna get revenge

[tall bloom]

Bro classes just got fixed no rogue fix 🙂

[wintry heart]

Okay the most important bug is that they fix our stealth sound

[fallow rampart]

guys im blind - where our talent on aoe blind? or its by default now

[quaint breach]

airborne irritant, but tooltip is bugged

[chilly dagger]

Hows Sin compared to both in raid/M+ (Keys 15 and above)?

[dreamy wedge]

Hey guys, why is premed+warning signs sims higher for me then the new setup?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rjAsG3xzsVPKMFZzjQf9S8

[fallow rampart]

ah ty, 1 blind hit me sry

[chilly kite]

what is our opener without premed?

[neon frigate]

Why do they remove the first dance in mythic + build?

[sweet moss]

!guion

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[swift tinsel]

not even mentioning rogue bugs in wowhead article lmao

[forest moss]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-bugs-with-patch-12-0-5-unholy-dk-preservation-evoker-381338?utm_source=discord-webhook

did we get forgotten about

[swift tinsel]

hahahahahaahhaha

[keen dome]

that's really funny

[sweet moss]

whats the pugs

[warm marlin]

i try to pretend it doesnt exist

[agile kernel]

of course

[oblique fable]

They are giving rogues their own article

[dreamy wedge]

@sweet moss @wanton mantle I don't see the answer in the pins.

[warm marlin]

in raid though sin falls behind after buffs, in keys it was looking strong but other 2 specs got buffed a lot

[finite hedge]

its funny too cause every bug is really bad, except dev

which gives them huge dmg

[thin sinew]

Rogues don't exists apparently

[tight elk]

did they fix our engery thing this morning?

[thin sinew]

half arsed article writing

[wanton mantle]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[meager coyote]

🤔 can anyone tell me how we use vanis in raid/for dps nowdays

[sweet moss]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bnKRAwAQVegEAyQYtV7TYG does my sim look fine chat

[loud wharf]

We could only wish

We dont actually exist

[lean sigil]

just did statweight sim for single and versa is better than mastery?

[forest moss]

extra shadow step maybe

[lean sigil]

sim bait?

[neon frigate]

Why is the first dance removed from m+ builds?

[sweet moss]

just take pre med

[finite hedge]

just dont sim stat weight

[lilac stag]

Sims not accounting for actual premed bug + likely your balance of crit to mastery. That’s a lower end ST sim and with ilvl it shifts

[finite hedge]

ever

problem solved

[fossil forge]

@short radish I AM FREEE

DQBWHIDBQWHIDQWHOPDBQWJDQ

[native crag]

Grats

[lilac stag]

@short radish is going to punch you

[keen dome]

I did my duty on that article

[fossil forge]

NO OOZING HERE

[warm marlin]

wtf and you flamed me??

[sacred jewel]

when are u ever gonna be out of combat for 6 seconds in m+

[warm marlin]

you got it the same way!

[fossil forge]

my goat

[dreamy wedge]

Thanks. What would you say, remove premed?

[fossil forge]

i only got it because prophet blessed me guys

@tribal blade big shoutout unc

[spice matrix]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-bugs-with-patch-12-0-5-unholy-dk-preservation-evoker-381338

Maybe we should let somebody know

[keen dome]

Make a comment

Tell them our woe

[lilac stag]

That’s a you decision. Opener without it is kinda cursed.

[keen dome]

Inform them of our missing stealth noise

[fleet sluice]

Can someone please explain to me why this macro no longer uses secret tech with a single use of the button? I swear this fucking patch broke everything...

#show Shadow Blades
/use item:245898
/use item:241308
/use item:241309
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Secret Technique

[spice matrix]

I don’t think I have the strength to make a Wowhead account 🙂

[dreamy wedge]

I just don't really know to gouge how much of a dps loss it is @lilac stag . But thank you for the help.

[warm marlin]

blades costs 30 energy now

[sweet moss]

not enough energy

[stuck arrow]

Does it work with full energy?

Blades has a bugged 30 energy cost lol

[spice matrix]

Nvm lots of comments for rogue already

[sweet moss]

not bugged

wait

nvm

it aint bugged i swear

or is it

[lilac stag]

Unless it gets fully modeled we won’t know. We’ve played this entire season with it bugged (well longer) but it’s fine

[fleet sluice]

Well that explains alot... Thanks guys!

[lilac stag]

If hitting a few backstabs kills your fun, just run premed

[fleet sluice]

Should've checked the pinned message

[stuck arrow]

Yeah lol distract energy cost lol

[lilac stag]

not like we’re devourers

[void ocean]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-bugs-with-patch-12-0-5-unholy-dk-preservation-evoker-381338?utm_source=discord-webhook why arent we on this list

[hazy breach]

Where the -20% cost on distract talent we had last expac now that we need it

Smh my head

[lilac stag]

Fuu got distracted by his cat

[keen dome]

Be the change we need and post about it in the comments.

Dozens of us will raise our voices

[stuck arrow]

When I play DDH I bind consume and devour differently. Makes me feel like I'm pushing more than 3 buttons lol

[sweet moss]

so in opener we back stab till 7 combo points and also wait for 60+ energy

?

[void ocean]

bro i cant even access wowhead without vpn, whos gonna listen to me

[sweet moss]

is 6 not allowed

[weak glade]

So they just didn’t add our bugs lol

[lilac stag]

Or backstabs, vanish, strike then wait for energy.

[keen dome]

I would

[prisma ibex]

Guys, Atrophic reduces dmg coming from AOE abilities of the mob, or it is only Basic atacks? noob question

[void ocean]

damnit

[stuck arrow]

Everything that's not environmental

[reef surge]

Hey guys, is the ring set from nexus our bis?

[errant hearth]

idk what to take? i have hero guidon, plume, emberwing and heart of wind (mastery flask running)

[sweet moss]

i guess can press guidon if/when waiting for 60 energy?

[stuck arrow]

What's the sim say?

[sweet moss]

no

[stuck arrow]

Yeah that's what I've been doing. Haven't noticed the bug lol.

[errant hearth]

sim says puzzlebox is bad but i find that hard to believe idk, maybe its better with crit flask?

[lilac stag]

Just need to make sure youre able to snapshot second dance

[sweet moss]

so only 2nd dance needs snapshotting

O.o

[lilac stag]

We are not a 2 minute spec

[void ocean]

ding ding ding ding ding da ding...

[sweet moss]

puzzle is ass

[stuck arrow]

Mastery less good now with the changes.

[errant hearth]

hmm ok

[sweet moss]

mythic puzzle worse than normal guidon

[lilac stag]

guidon is haste during blades that matters. After normal it starts to have diminishing returns

[hallow mortar]

so class community posted their bugs to make them know for blizz a and guees which class isnt represented again 😄

[fleet sluice]

yes and it feels awful on ST.

[steel zinc]

not on beloren

[sweet moss]

u ever have it where u have to shadow strike multi times for black bar proc

with blue combo points in dance

[lilac stag]

I don’t think that will be a concern

[vale osprey]

Are you just not at 5 SHT+ stacks

[fleet sluice]

I don't know what your UI looks like, but for the apex to proc you need 5+ stacks of shadow techniques

[wintry heart]

When extra rolls fixed

[sweet moss]

ah thats why

im dumb

[fallow ingot]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[void ocean]

tho now considering unh dk chat went to slow mode due to bugs and ours isnt, shadow blades bug might not be that big deal 😄

[swift tinsel]

they're whinier

[sweet moss]

feels like im just generating shit load less combo points now

[swift tinsel]

they go to slow mode whenever the wind blows a certain way

[sweet moss]

feels aiddds

[wanton mantle]

10 people vs 1000 people. Hint were not the 1000 lmao

[sweet moss]

lmao

[spiral needle]

dont think our CD costing an extra 30 energy is really comparable to what their bugs are doing

they're cooked af

[agile kernel]

thats wat happens when the developers give a shit, you get used to being taken care of

[soft summit]

Haste is 700 on dot after you add oils correct?

[swift tinsel]

coddled babies smh

[vale osprey]

That + premed is absolutely fucked

[void ocean]

bro in the opener after i just squandered all my energy on backstabs, waiting for that bump feels like eternity

[pulsar cape]

can delves give weekly mythic ilgl items now?

[lime wigeon]

I'd say rogues are quite used to building their playstyles around bugs

[void ocean]

i dont think so

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's why they spammed everywhere with the whole GripIsNotARaidBuff thing

[agile kernel]

i mean they are delusional

[spiral needle]

rogues are used to being designed wrong, as a joke

[swift tinsel]

"we don't have a one-of raid buff but have an insanely useful toolkit help us pleeeeeease"

[stuck arrow]

DKs still haven't incorporated bugs from launch into their sims tbh. They expect it'll get fixed any reset now lol

[agile kernel]

i would trade poison for grip in a heartbeat

[rough cipher]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[void ocean]

fck grip, cant dps in p2 gotta run around like an idiot, grippin shit

[swift tinsel]

grip, ams. DA, ibf stun immunity

[fossil forge]

when is elvui update comming out this is unbearable

[swift tinsel]

amz, generally immortal

[hallow mortar]

damn there are 4 items on first boss and i rolled the only one which is useless for me 🙁 my roll dopamine is over

[agile kernel]

i would rather we had smoke bomb as a group dr

[spiral needle]

now you can look forward to next week's roll 🙂

[hallow mortar]

yeah i removed that one bad item from pool 😄

[shrewd lantern]

we have smokebomb

[hallow mortar]

surely its working as intented

[stuck arrow]

We have smoke bomb. It is a DR. (No one else needs to know they don't get it
👀)

[shrewd lantern]

just gaslamp people into standing in it

[graceful osprey]

Might as well rename subrogue to Entomologist spec

[steep adder]

what's the best M+ talent build for 17s/18s?

[swift tinsel]

only your dungeon friends can see it

[shrewd lantern]

devourer dh

or aug

[wanton mantle]

Arms warrior gg

[steep adder]

ion believe in that propaganda bro

if you reroll you're a chud

what's the consensous though on the best build rn for high keys

[swift tinsel]

no shot they're upping sub prices in some countries on top of this mess

[flat snow]

which countries

[errant hearth]

Do yall use dungeon slice to sim M+?

[stuck arrow]

Yes.

[neon helm]

uk

[hallow mortar]

the rich can pay

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt change based on key level

i mean m+ at a high level is required to reroll unless you’re like zac

and your team lets you play something beans like s3 outlaw

[swift tinsel]

hahahahahahahaahaha

[shrewd lantern]

They really needed that buff

[void ocean]

i think this calls for 5% st buff

[astral axle]

did anyone else have a bug where the CD Tracker just stops tracking SD for a few seconds? it comes back but the bug kinda happens intermittently

[plush roost]

If u look at a lura log you see the sub rogue above both devours btw

[keen dome]

yeah, a full £1 lmao

what the heck

[astral axle]

did you have fun sending some outlaw reclear last night

[shrewd lantern]

theres a public log out?

[plush roost]

My goat nibren

171k dps

[warm marlin]

second with akaari soul

[plush roost]

I did actually

[spice matrix]

gg Akari decoupling

[plush roost]

Until my highroll paladins pull wiped at 6%

Into a 2 buff 2 buff 2buff true combo

[astral axle]

[warm marlin]

rip cto

[keen dome]

hell yeah, Akaari 21st member

[plush roost]

180k paladins into 150k notlikethis

[worldly root]

safe

[spare orchid]

my sim doesnt want me to reach 800 haste but go for crit/mastery. i trust the sims, not the "go for x mastery"-guides, right?

[stiff spear]

what was the argument against vanish in opener?

[astral axle]

though im very sorry it is reassuring to know it isn't just noobs like me who experience the despair of hot streak vs mid streak

[plush roost]

Do beeg strike damage in cds with vanish

[desert dock]

!prem

[plush roost]

I always mid streak its how i stay lowkey

[swift tinsel]

how does one get this instant fix

where do we learn this power

[astral axle]

[stuck arrow]

Lol it's actually fixed already.

Unreal.

[swift tinsel]

that just shows they could but they don't

when it comes to the game

[fallow ingot]

Is your TTS volume giga low with the patch ?

[blazing iron]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[vale pine]

!cc

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[worldly root]

Uh treatment, they will get some 5% aura buff for the inconvenience

[plush roost]

Holy do not look at opener

Holy cinrma

[hallow mortar]

gotta play more premium class than rogue, we are not even mentioned

[plush roost]

The afk for 13 SECONDS opener

[crystal bone]

actually criminal

they should be arrested

[warm marlin]

i was gonna ask why u dont just hold for crystals if opener is that delayed

but assumed u lost a cast

[swift tinsel]

Commander bug fixed already actually pisses me off so much

[astral axle]

Who needs preparation when you wait at max combo points 'til 13s to press buttons

[tired heart]

Yes, it's almost unhearable now.

[lucid jackal]

This opener is larp bro

U do strike vanish strike backstab backstab go

[fallow ingot]

We cannot tune the volume right ?

[tired heart]

I didn't look very hard, so I'm not sure.

[plush roost]

It does seem to lineup on crystals without losing a cast but yeah its a bit pepega

[clear hazel]

i went a key with a devourer and he was doing 220k all the way. I thought we had aug with us

[plush roost]

Im gonna fiddle around with both tonight

[west tide]

bro ima try this tomorrow

[vale pine]

you can strike-vanish-blades+strike(+gaze)-dance

which is slightly worse than doing backtsab spam

(0.3%)

but keeps you sane

[west tide]

cant lose that .3

i need that

[plush roost]

I dont mind insanity but i found the 13 second opener hilarious lmao

Goated

[lucid jackal]

Is not about going insane its about delaying CDs on pull by 13 seconds

[white briar]

you forgot the part where you have to pool to 60 energy because blades costs 30 now

[stiff pollen]

how much is premed actual of a dps loss now?

[lucid jackal]

even if its "mathetmcailly fine" wow encounters are designed around like, basic timers

Delaying ur cds that hard just fucks up a lot of fights, or has a large potential to

[plush roost]

Yeh

[vale pine]

strike-dance-strike-secret would work too, within the same range

[lucid jackal]

Like doing the 13 second opener, on chimerus, is a mega DPS loss

[vale pine]

ofc 0.3% is 0.3%

[lucid jackal]

cuz u just miss 2nd ad sets

[west tide]

how come churiken storm

[plush roost]

Adds

[west tide]

ooo

[plush roost]

Bro let a big girl eat and have a lil 13 second opener

[west tide]

i got a 94 on m chim with the 11 sec opener

pb backstab opener

tryna get it down to 9 sec

[crystal bone]

im in the 2nd soak group, minus 1 addset

[west tide]

why they hate u

[crystal bone]

[chilly kite]

i have been going nuts with this for like 30 min, there is no way to adjust it, its tied directly to the effects now...

[plush roost]

Im sure bart will fix it

Or are u using in game tts

Wait... i wonder if LR is using ingame tts now...

[chilly kite]

i was using the in game tts just fine until this patch

[gilded ferry]

it has a solution already

[chilly kite]

where?

[void ocean]

Man I would pay serious money to see the code which casts fckin distract with cloud

Like how tf did they even get to that point

How spaghetti is that shit

[stuck arrow]

They macrod distract into blades dawg. Don't worry about it

[fossil forge]

They need to borrow the smoke from something bucko

[swift tinsel]

just have it coded like DnD/Consecration

[void ocean]

Copy pasta lmao

[swift tinsel]

there are many examples of it working

with other spells

why this weird shit

[west tide]

wait really

[void ocean]

Thats what !cc said

[stuck arrow]

Yeah go press blades near a target dummy lol

[west tide]

!cc

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[stuck arrow]

Also why blades now costs 30 energy

😂

[void ocean]

I see code review is optional in Blizzard

[shrewd lantern]

vibecoded

[marble ledge]

Can we be clear how much of a DPS loss is Premed?

[void ocean]

Approving ur own git pull request ftw

[golden sphinx]

“They” more like “it” . I’m convinced there isn’t a real human working on rogue. Just some underpaid junior dev feeding a slop machine prompts. Would explain all the brain dead decisions and bugs that use something from another ability

[stuck arrow]

Listen man. They went through 3 different AIs for it, ok?

[void ocean]

Hahahah

[swift tinsel]

idk its just indefensible shit

[stuck arrow]

The executives are loving the reduction in Dev costs.

[lusty narwhal]

letting chatgpt review claudes code

[pure jay]

100-200 prob

[swift tinsel]

no one at blizz can be proud of it

[void ocean]

This looks more like a Ball 8

[swift tinsel]

like there's no way you can look at this patch and think "we really did great work here"

as a blizz employee

[stuck arrow]

Nah dude, there's got to be bean counters jacking off to salary reductions lol.

[swift tinsel]

they don't count they're not real people

[stuck arrow]

They loving it. It's probably a team of people's latest post on LinkedIn bragging about it lol

[karmic harbor]

[clear hazel]

does any1 is doing less dps then before or more dps with the new changes?

[void ocean]

Tho theres a saying among developers, push 10 lines of code and u will get 10 remarks on code review, push 10000 and u will get 0

[naive creek]

Are we considering the premed issue a bug too with thoughts of it being hot fixed?

[pure jay]

https://klipy.com/gifs/noice-nice-4--k01KPV7A86KKA3T4W3NA1NN18GH

[indigo breach]

The implacable tracking bug for sin is really telling, I think

[swift tinsel]

its been a bug for a long time so

not likely fixed any time soon

[tired heart]

Yes it's a bug, no it's not going to get fixed, if history is any indication.

[naive creek]

Damn this opener is ass

[fossil forge]

[swift tinsel]

ye that whole thing is mega shit

[pure jay]

sim the difference taking premed and just take premed

[swift tinsel]

and hasn't been addressed in months

[pure jay]

ezpz

[stuck arrow]

Lol rogues don't get hot fixes unless they're PvP nerfs.

[naive creek]

Honestly thinking bout it

[pure jay]

whats 200 dps out of 105k or so

[void ocean]

12.0.7 will be ours bois