subtlety

[short radish]

[meager coyote]

think I'm not bonus rolling in m+ for a while longer, don't even have enough crests for the items I have rn

[short radish]

no shot

pikaboo is on there

[tribal blade]

hell yeah

dude's crazy

[oak fox]

i saw some dps charts and outlaw seemed a bit better, is it true or was it like the top percentile ? I'm kinda confused bc of the new patch 🙁

[placid pivot]

hes a rank1 gladiator you think pve is hard for him

[fringe palm]

pvp harder than pve

[brisk onyx]

Pikaboo deep in retail pve

[sick stratus]

so with shadow blades costing energy using cloud cover now, should we be using shadow dance before blades and then ST?

[short radish]

more so that he's acutally raiding mythic

on patch reset day

[brisk onyx]

Last time he push m+ to 3400 when I watch

[earnest crane]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[limber mulch]

So, vault gave me Puzzle box in myth track with leech... Is it still the go to after changes? I currently have the Emberwing Feather that gives haste in hero track

[sudden quarry]

Apparently lura is bugged and can’t be progressed in p3. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

[vale pine]

!cc

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[vale pine]

(its also !cloud and !blades)

[vestal adder]

WoWhead has an article about it.

[vale pine]

i might just roll chimerus instead

unsure atm

[short radish]

!distract

[sharp sapphire]

hmmm... why the suggested best talents pick Ephemeral Bond over Premeditation???

[craggy cloak]

Whats the pick here? lol

[vale pine]

the buff is 10% or more, thats quite signifivant

and outlaw already performed well

[vale pine]

that one i didn't include

but i think !cc is short and the question will come up a lot

[vestal adder]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/lura-bugged-on-all-difficulties-with-patch-12-0-5-381335?utm_source=discord-webhook

[vale pine]

(people don't read pins)

[tribal blade]

looks like sub is keeping up

[craggy cloak]

!sim

[tribal blade]

not getting hard gapped by outlaw at least

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brisk onyx]

more crazy bug

[sudden quarry]

Hell naw, this means I have to do splits again. My mental health can’t keep up with that shit.

[upper cosmos]

when I see cc I only think of crowd control

[short radish]

i know i just wanted to be a bit of a silly billy

[brisk onyx]

I like this beta version

[tribal blade]

oh shit i'm rank 1 sub on dragons right now

nobody do dmg on dragons

promise

let me have this

[vale osprey]

On myth?

[tribal blade]

yeah

[vale osprey]

Juicer

[tribal blade]

well for this patch

[brisk onyx]

👍

[final copper]

!cc

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[tribal blade]

it's not nearly enough dmg to beat the previous patch dmg

[eternal abyss]

Why are we not playing Premed?

[short aurora]

we love backstab

[lean bone]

to proc shadowclones

[vale osprey]

The fact outlaw looking juicy is nice, I'm glad when I rolled off spec on Salhadar weap and LC lead asked me "will you realistically ever play outlaw" I said yes 😎

[vale pine]

we want more shadow strikes, and there is the premed bug

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[vale pine]

(the bug is not a big impact factor in dropping premed)

it is mostly because our builder get 3x fazed benefits

[upper cosmos]

I'm trying to sim myself to determine how much more crit I should put on but I don't really know what fight style I could sim that would most closely compare to mythic cosmos 🤔

[worthy rain]

what to focus on out or sub? if you start fresh now

[eternal abyss]

It just feels weird not having full CP on SS.

[vale pine]

so strike hits hard

[hallow mortar]

Taking premed is -0.3% for me does it mean sim take bug in account ?

[vale osprey]

@vale pine other than having to backstab a bit more, does the patch change anything else rotationally?

I thought someone mentioned fishing for AA procs in blades for every finisher and not just supercharged CP?

[vale pine]

nice, can i get a autograph?

[tribal blade]

YESSIR

[vale pine]

no rotation changes

slight stat change

[tribal blade]

waiting for the big boys to log in

[vale pine]

we use crit flask now

[tribal blade]

that parse is gonna drop

like a stone

[vale pine]

and backstab in opener

[outer orchid]

i guess guidon over pbox it is for me in m+

[vale osprey]

Nice, so we play exactly the same, except for the backstabs?

[vale pine]

also guidon might become the go-to in m+

with cloud cover

[vale osprey]

I was using it anyway

[earnest lodge]

Anyone know why puzzlebox simming so low compared to champion trinks
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/whKrRBtwBYkUcteisAX8bJ

[olive canyon]

i think i jut got my first cloud kill - popped it and someone stood in tank soak on vor

oops..

[keen dome]

lmao

VICTORY

[outer orchid]

honestly using guidon makes the rotation feel a lot smoother in m+

i like it

[gilded jungle]

So all targets have to be in the could to get the buff right?

[vale pine]

wait a moment

[upper cosmos]

with the red light and camera effect, that ain't on you bro

[vale pine]

whoever did say legs

did nearly bait me

tier legs suck

🤣

[olive canyon]

tier legs are dogmate, our off piece

[junior ether]

we dont use finality anymore in ST raid?

[olive canyon]

i think its ver haste?

[candid pebble]

am i the only one getting the bugged privilege ?

[celest spruce]

hm? no shadowstrike opener?

[tribal blade]

small haste big vers

on tier legs

[olive canyon]

i think im just gonna play premed until the bug is fixed

[umbral frost]

sim is telling me to use myth guidon>myth puzzle box in 5 target. im not mad cause i find it way less clunky, but im really confused

[vale pine]

yep

[olive canyon]

.1% is just whatevr

[ornate lake]

I picked tier mythic leg over tier shoulders

[tribal blade]

i think it's considerably more than that

[tribal blade]

when you factor in you send cds later

than with premed

[olive canyon]

i think i read bug is worth .3%

[tribal blade]

when kill timings are getting tighter

[ornate lake]

Blizzard and it's eternal love for cast trinkets. It's so tiring boss.

[olive canyon]

so if you are within .4/5 i think its just kinda worth to go premed

[barren wedge]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

i think so yes

i did bosses today where i was barely getting the last blades fully off before boss died

and i would have lost like half my blades if i ran no premed

[umbral frost]

its not even the cast that bothers me, it feels fine on assa, its the fact that i have to play it as a 3 min makes getting full value out of it feel stressful

[stuck arrow]

Why does having to use it less make it more stressful. I don't understand lol

[olive canyon]

i thought for a second you were advocating for not going premed @tribal blade

had to reread

[tribal blade]

oh hell no haha

[gloomy loom]

nebulous voidcore from vault ignores cap?

[tribal blade]

i swapped back to premed before even knowing the difference in sims

i did 1 key without premed

[olive canyon]

wait about to do king s...how many ppl die

[junior ether]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

and it was horrible

so just swapped bakc

infinitely better

[olive canyon]

are you running puzzleor guidon?

[tribal blade]

i assume guidon is better

[grand galleon]

anybody know where we can buy that mount for 3.4k rating?

[restive lynx]

what do bis trinkets look like for non-mythic raiders 🤔

[olive canyon]

sorry i meant in m+

i think i may just stick to guidon for a bit

[tribal blade]

saladbar trinkets

[gloomy loom]

any1 knows?

[tulip light]

Heroic gaze and guidon LUL

[meager coyote]

I did some mental math and with my gear/likelyhood of getting something good for me it's best to just bonus roll crown, basically every item except for trinket is going to be usable and the neck is super contested by casters so might as well earn it myself

Every dungeon with good items in it also has like 30 other pieces of utter trash that would legit be downgrade at max upgrade

[restive lynx]

I kinda figured it might be

[restive lynx]

yes

[sharp sapphire]

did they remove the sound when you enter stealth or something is wrong with me or my pc?

[keen dome]

Yes, you get +1 bonus roll per week via vault if you choose nothing and have 6 currency

[craggy cloak]

is there a sim guide?

[keen dome]

lmao, uh, no, it's def not there for me either

what a funny bug

[atomic bobcat]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limpid sage]

@vale pine you accidentally left "The War Within" in the top gear string. Just in case someone gets confused and thinks you accidentally put the outdated one in there

[umbral frost]

dont give up hope guys, chim and imperator mythic are both super puggable, youll get your trinkets soon!

[livid cape]

I was like damn I’m 281 and only sim 102k how are you 274 but your dungeon slice on 6 mins

[vale pine]

oops

[restive lynx]

I'm more worried that if I get heroic versions and forget about not fully upgrading and can't even roll for them

[vale pine]

well not too bad

[earnest lodge]

isnt dungeon slice override to 6 mins

[vale pine]

ill change it if i repost it again (it does not impact anything)

[earnest lodge]

or is dungeon slice bad for m+ sim thought it was ok

[stuck arrow]

I just want to reiterate - good god does smoke tech feel good.

[vale pine]

dungeon slice is good

[rigid delta]

why isnt cloud cover proccing for me when i use SB 🙁

[maiden oar]

do i want to be doing anything funny with no premed and force apex on sectech // first supercharger gcd

[livid cape]

Sal bar with tanks that run wild is fun

[restive lynx]

!cc

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[maiden oar]

or is that not really important

[umbral frost]

im confused? you can still roll on lower ilvl trinkets if theyre a higher level track? i won my myth guidon with a 276 hero guidon

[limpid sage]

did you spec it (nvm just read the bug)

[rigid delta]

oh ffs, expect this to stay live for a while then, ty

[vale pine]

!cc

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[vale pine]

^ thats why

[restive lynx]

people have been posting that you can't roll for same items with 6/6 - maybe misinformation

[craggy cloak]

can you link me that message?

[limpid sage]

it's the most recent one in tc-research

[umbral frost]

oh true, with how many bugs are going around today i wouldnt be surprised if something got messed up today. my entire m+ team logged in with new bugs on our specs

[restive lynx]

There were bunch of posts on bug report forums about not being able to roll on some myth track items while having 6/6 hero of the same, not specifically the trinkets tho

[potent summit]

Is there a big dif between warning signs and planned exe?

[drifting ether]

That you dont have to repair your main hand as often 🤣

[vale osprey]

If outlaw is good also, that means Crown has exactly zero bad rolls on myth ATM

[potent summit]

I could imagine warning signs plays smoother? 😅

[lament ravine]

Is there a crit cap now?

[tribal blade]

it does yes

eleem said it's within margin, basically exactly the same

so i chose warning signs

[potent summit]

Thanks I will stay WS

[tribal blade]

because it feels much better

if you play PE you'll do more blades dmg iirc

[potent summit]

I love feeli craft when it’s in margin

[tribal blade]

if you play warning signs your dances outsides blades will be better

[potent summit]

So I will play the Same as you mr Prophet

[keen dome]

haha, cloud cover on chimarius pug (heroic) was funny

[tribal blade]

i think it's worth yeah

[keen dome]

I popped it and the tank IMMEDIATELY ran away

[tribal blade]

i basically only swapped to rotten in ST

other than that i'm playing warning signs+premed

in all content

[vivid spindle]

I have a vault question. I got the Guidon Hero and some random haste/crit neck myth. The guidon sims better ofc, but my question: Is it worth to pick up the guidon, because its way easier to obtain (i think) than a myth neck?

[potent summit]

Ya will do the same don’t want to bother with the Rest of the playstyle

[tribal blade]

i think if you play PE+no premed you have to preplan things a lot more

[potent summit]

And it’s Not worth for like 0.3-0.4

[tribal blade]

also your opener in raid will be omega slow

[potent summit]

You get that dmg by playing smoother

[fossil forge]

Give me back the Gaze i sold

I regret my actions

[potent summit]

So I Choose the chill way

[tribal blade]

because it's not just spamming backstab before blades in opener right now

you also need 60 energy

because of blades bug

[vale osprey]

Hmmmmmge

[potent summit]

Ya

Read that

[tribal blade]

so you're just sitting on blades forever

[potent summit]

So I Like Ur way

[tribal blade]

UwO

[potent summit]

Taking that for tonight

[vale osprey]

Is it a Saladbar neck angle, or paladins ring angle

[fossil forge]

I would take paladin ring for sure

[vale osprey]

Actually don't think I can afford to lose that haste though rn

[potent summit]

Lets see if I can play 18/19 keys with sub and if it’s now better then assa

[verbal kelp]

is anybody else spending their 80myth crests crafting outlaw wep xD?

[opal basalt]

[umbral frost]

i crafted my neck and it sims well. id take guidon

[tribal blade]

it's kinda weird, it's really wonky with tank movement

and a lot of places in keys the tank has to move a lot

no choice

i didn't realize how much until playing cloud cover in pit

[fossil forge]

Damage goes down If u cant scream at ur tank on vc

[olive canyon]

You can pop back in the cloud to get the uptime

[frigid ermine]

Does anyone know why 289 puzzle box is simming below 289 solarflare prism? Way below(dungeon slice)

[outer orchid]

haste brrr

[tribal blade]

you can yeah

but that can mean dropping uptime

depending on how far the move was

i tried to get around it by sitting on blades until i knew there wouldnt be movement

and then you're just sitting on blades

which is tough

[west bough]

Yo is it just me or Ayijecdm is not working?

[olive canyon]

Premed feels so much better, not even just on the opener but later on in fights, i suppose it could just be a muscle memory thing

[tribal blade]

yes it makes a big diff tbh

even on solo dances

also means you can strike>dance>sectec if you mess up

[vale osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fKVgcCnkdDpTMBZC7Us5St

It's saying gloves is the take, neck saves me 40 myth crests on top of that though - but it's dropping my haste a biiiiit much

[plush pilot]

someone was saying its only a ~200dps loss with no premed

[tribal blade]

depending on gear it's very small

[plush pilot]

definitely just playing premed then

[vale osprey]

Oh shit I didn't change talents before I simmed xdd

[tribal blade]

we're also reaching the point in raid where kill timers are getting tight

so sitting on blades forever in opener feelsbad

[weary tree]

We still need 700 haste no?

[tribal blade]

yeah

with guidon

[haughty mural]

recent kill timers

[tribal blade]

w/o guidon 800

[weary tree]

Sims acting up again for me lol

Annoying

[vale osprey]

Are the new talents updated everywhere? The link in the pin doesn't work for me

[nocturne totem]

Guys, someone uses macro with Shadow dance, blades and lights potential?
Did you have problems with it?
In my case, pot is just not used properly and this macro, macro just skipping it everytime

[verbal kelp]

do we have a guide with the new opener etc?

[vale osprey]

They always do, read the FAQ, Robot needs a lot less haste than we realistically do

[weary tree]

No, the other way around

It's putting me at like 900 haste

idk

[vale osprey]

You have guidon or no?

[weary tree]

yep

[vale osprey]

Very odd

[half osprey]

What talents are we runing now?

[tribal blade]

was having that issue for a while, not sure what fixed it

[lusty acorn]

What thats premed

[grand galleon]

where do we get previous KSM mounts? is it not in game yet?

[fiery summit]

oils count towards the 700 haste right

[opal basalt]

yes

[fiery summit]

ty ty

[low geyser]

i have crit 799/ahste 740/ mastery 900 with mastery flask is it ok

[buoyant shale]

Is the wowhead raid talent page up to date. We're not taking cloud cover on averzian?

[quaint breach]

what talent we skipping if we want premed?

[solemn sonnet]

ephemeral bond

[bronze turret]

its telling me to dump haste for crit..

[vale osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u7brhRswHG1SoQk9TUgbzQ

Okay with new talents the neck is 1.3%

[weary tree]

yeah i figured it out. Had it on 10 min sim lol

[fossil forge]

Is bonusrolling im raid safe ?

[opal basalt]

do not bonusroll at all

[fossil forge]

No bugs or any unwanted interactions

[opal basalt]

until clarification from blizz

[bronze turret]

niceu

but like, im not even at the haste breakpoint, and its telling me to yeet haste

[weary tree]

Ye fucking bot wants you to have like 630 haste

[rustic mortar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[drifting ether]

Whats the bonusroll bug?

[bronze turret]

i have 562 haste unbuffed and its still just better to keep crit ring enchants and 16 crit gems

[weary tree]

I wonder why there's no like setting to put the bot automatically at 700 instead of this behavior

[vale osprey]

I'm conflicted as to whether I take salhadar neck or if I wait until bugs are fixed and just use 2 coins in Pit to see what I get

[outer orchid]

literally no way to test

[opal basalt]

your rings should always be eye of the eagle

[bronze turret]

yers

[fossil forge]

wat

[tribal blade]

i would just ignore it and go to 700 haste

[fossil forge]

Bingus literally said he rolled it

[karmic harbor]

doesnt remove items you've already gotten from table

[tribal blade]

it'll do weird things with haste breakpoint

[bronze turret]

i cant go to 700 haste

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[bronze turret]

literally impossible

but ye i can get close

[opal basalt]

then play assa for the time being

[karmic harbor]

haste flask

[tribal blade]

the actual 0.4 sec breakpoint is 684

[bronze turret]

you dreamin

[drifting ether]

Safe to do 1 roll or just wait for it to clear

[tribal blade]

we just round up to 700

[fossil forge]

Isnt this for m+ only though

[opal basalt]

lowkey a fun spec rn

[tribal blade]

because it feels better

[karmic harbor]

nobody knows, it's up to blizz

[edgy star]

gawd, terrible 😢

[bronze turret]

i wouldnt touch assa even if i got paid money

[edgy star]

I think I'm taking the coins boys!

[karmic harbor]

i mean i dont think you can double roll in raid can you? but it might not remove it from table if you do it before a fix

[tribal blade]

coins are actually huge value now

with rerolls

[karmic harbor]

who knows how bliz fixes it

[nimble mesa]

how come? 🙂

[frigid ermine]

im so confused i have less haste than prepatch and myth puzzlebox is simming worse than hero trinkets for m+.

[karmic harbor]

e.g. you roll in raid this week, get an ass item. blizz "fixes" next week you get the same item

[fossil forge]

I will be the test subject when i get home lads dw

[karmic harbor]

that's the risk

[cursive tundra]

so are we no longer taking first dance in m+? why

[formal helm]

are voidforged items all the same ilvl btw? as in the forged ones and myth track ones

crafted*

[nimble mesa]

i wouldnt, doesnt seem like you get out of combat for that long very often imo

[edgy star]

I assume they've disabled it atm?

[lucid jackal]

U have to unlock the bonus roll to buy them

[edgy star]

ah account bound?

[tribal blade]

how does outlaw feel right now with cloud cover?

[edgy star]

I've only been doing it on my main

[bronze turret]

i've been a sub otp for 6-7 years, aint about to change that cus of 50 haste

[lucid jackal]

Didnt play it cuz were 200+ pulls deep on lura lole

[tribal blade]

ahh gotcha

[cursive tundra]

both dungeon route and dungeon slice sim WAY higher premed+fd

but I guess depends how often can you get FD in a dungeon

[tribal blade]

i just untalented it because it pisses me off playing around it

when i can just unga bunga

[rain kernel]

if i have a 289 puzzle boxx and use a reroll in AA(+10)... can i still get a myth track puzzle box?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[rain kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/really-are-you-kidding-me-got-to-be-kidding-youre-kidding-me-seriously-gif-6521278384595665157

[tribal blade]

only items obtained by bonus roll gets excluded

[formal helm]

says you can get anything from that pool once

ye

[cursive tundra]

and in any case, bonus loot as it is currently, is bugged on M+

[formal helm]

yep.

[cursive tundra]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bonus-rolls-reportedly-giving-duplicate-items-from-mythic-dungeons-381332?utm_source=discord-webhook

[karmic harbor]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bonus-rolls-reportedly-giving-duplicate-items-from-mythic-dungeons-381332

[tribal blade]

yeah just sit on them

i'm not sending shit until i know it's fixed haha

[fiery fog]

I love na beta testers

[cursive tundra]

i honestly love the change in stat prio

[tribal blade]

i had a blessed guidon in vault today

what a day

[cursive tundra]

crit being almost equal to mastery means it's easier to swap between assa and sub

[fiery fog]

With bonus rolls you can just gear both independently

[cursive tundra]

now I just need to figure out whether I roll with 289 puzzlebox or 289 guidon for keys

i have both, paired with hc gaze

[finite lynx]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[nimble mesa]

ah ok ^^ thought there was something specific you disliked about assa

[fossil forge]

Surely its not the same in raid

[sage meteor]

lua

[fossil forge]

The rich get richer

unc rio check ?

[nimble mesa]

if you do a bonus roll on a raid boss, do you only get loot from that bosses loot table? or any boss in the same raid?

[weary tree]

Dude you and me both. My first acutal useful vault

[fiery fog]

Just the boss

[keen dome]

That boss's loot table for you.

[nimble mesa]

aight 🙂 ty

[thorny wagon]

Are the Sims taking into account the 700 Haste we're supposed to have? No matter what I do, the Sim wants to reduce my Haste from over 700 to under 620 and recraft everything for Cri/Mastery.

[umbral frost]

just finished an algathar and was about to spend my second void core in here when i read that its bugged

should i risk it?

[weary tree]

no

[verbal kelp]

anyone tried sub on 18-19? how did it feel?

[weary tree]

you will need to get yourself to 700 regardless of what the sims say

[fossil forge]

was fine before buffs

On 18

[thorny wagon]

Thank you !

[fossil forge]

surely we pump now copium

[alpine wraith]

dps was never an issue getting invited was

although we will do quite a bit more now

mainly because how burst works in keys

[fiery fog]

People just see rogue and instantly think it wont perform good in their keys

[gentle temple]

Which one is the best m+ spec right now in .5?

[fiery fog]

Probably aug or something

:v)

[cursive tundra]

what key level?

[gentle temple]

rogue wise hahahaha

[soft summit]

My gear is messed. My luck has been a blessing and a curse. I got hero Eternal Voidsong Chain neck... 230 haste. I got Eye of midnight ring,.. 273 haste. I got mythic Omission of light ring out of my vault 177 haste. Just those pieces, combined with my tier sets give me 900 haste. Way too much haste. Not enough crit. At this point i think it might be easier to just get to 1100 haste

[paper blaze]

cloud cover for keys over no scruples?

[cursive tundra]

on high keys i'd still say sub or assa, sub might be pulling ahed now with cloud cover

[verbal kelp]

guidon or puzzlebox with gaze for m+?

ive got both on myth

[fossil forge]

Outlaw is the best after buffs If you can play it

[soft summit]

Cloud is garbage. It costs 30 energy (a bug i believe) and makes so much smoke on the ground you cant see mechanics

[fossil forge]

Sub is not that far behind apparently

[fossil forge]

I think losing 30 energy for extra 25% dmg during burst is worth it

[empty bobcat]

fazed stacks apply pretty quickly while in cloud it seems?

I activate it ans almost instantlöy have 3 stacks

[verbal kelp]

how are you tracking the cloud / timer? and what happens if tank moves?

[soft summit]

convienent to leave out the fact there is so much smoke the entire group cant see any mechanics for 10 seconds

[empty bobcat]

blizzard tracker

[fossil forge]

Group might have to open eyes If they want me to do damage

[frigid ermine]

please someone explain why solarflare prism is simming higher than mythic puzzle box? It's saying that emberwing feather is also better than mythic puzzle box.

[soft summit]

I think crit is much more valuable now over mastery

[earnest lodge]

mine was saying champion guidon + plume is better than myth puzzle box

[cloud rover]

Well Puzzle Box is 2 Mins

your CDs are 1:30

[frigid ermine]

im talking dungeon slice, hero emberwing is out simming puzzleboxz significantly.

[last marten]

you guys go deathstalker or trickster for raid ?

[quaint breach]

Puzzle Sims seem sketch to me too

[fleet acorn]

Outlaw

[spice thistle]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[tribal blade]

prob depends on your haste

[frigid ermine]

bloodmallet clearly has puzzle box at top, but its simming garbage, my haste is like 606

[fallow bramble]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

it might want emberwing because you don't have enough haste for blades

eayh 600 is way too low

when you play with puzzle you want ~800 haste

[frigid ermine]

tf 800 haste

[junior ether]

how much haste we need for this?

or trinket itslef enough?

[soft summit]

i think its 800 haste without guidon. 700 with

[empty bobcat]

the opener did not change even with cloud right?

[soft summit]

not sur if that includes phoenix oils or not

[empty bobcat]

u activate trinkets/blades/pot after you shadow strike right

then dance then sectect

[rich ibex]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[soft summit]

I have 2 macros. 1 that is just shadow dance and sec tech, another that is shadow blades, trinket, pot, shadow dance and sec tech

[junior ether]

#subtlety message

[restive lynx]

Pretty sure it's with

[empty bobcat]

ty

[cursive tundra]

do we use crit flask now or still mastery?

[empty bobcat]

sim it 😄

its still mastery for me

[worldly root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[empty bobcat]

our burst is crazy now? whats ur numbers at 280+ ?

[alpine wraith]

depends

[raw frost]

for me its haste

cause i have 570 ;d

[junior ether]

seems like depends on what u have %

[raw frost]

and needs 700 + ..

[junior ether]

for me it's also haste

im at 600 almost so i use haste flask xD

[cursive tundra]

this is with mastery flask mind you

[raw frost]

yee the breakpoint is hard

[foggy estuary]

Elf racial op in opener to counteract the shadow blade cost bug🙃

[cursive tundra]

my stats without flask are basically even

[boreal cargo]

Could you explain why?

[foggy estuary]

Gives energy, it was a joke

[west tide]

i have almost 1200 crit now

using a haste flask to hit 700 😂

[outer orchid]

why does playing on 770 haste feel like garbage now in m+

[foggy estuary]

I meant the blood elf btw, its the bis elf

[outer orchid]

no premed is killing my energy

[sudden quarry]

As long as people don’t play ugly pandas for that reason, don’t tell em it was a joke

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[outer orchid]

shadow techniques feels like assa pooling at this point

not sure whether to enter at 5 or just send at 3

almost always feels like im having to SD>ST>SS>SS>Evis every single time i have full cp

unless i start with 5

or get lucky

idfk

[cosmic oracle]

Are we now playing cloud cover?

[outer orchid]

having to wait to press any finisher for 5+ seconds while sectec is coming off cd just feels bad

[tribal blade]

i just run premed and warning signs and i'm chilling

[raw frost]

ye xd

[outer orchid]

im about to

[grand galleon]

oh my god did they bug shadow blades to take 30 energy due to old distract smoke energy consumption?

[outer orchid]

might just drop eph bond

[tribal blade]

i think it's better

[tribal blade]

YES THEY DID

[keen dome]

yes

it's very funny

[tribal blade]

they did some lazy ass coding

is what they did

[foggy estuary]

Theres a perfect explanation guys..

[chilly dagger]

Is there any thing to read about that or were u get that from?

[foggy estuary]

The dev lead responsible was ganked by rogues endlessly in vanilla

So they have ptsd and keep cuking rogues

[alpine wraith]

yea that will be fun because when i upload the guide today i will explain it then they fix it and people will be like ???¿¿¿

[foggy estuary]

Its simple

[grand galleon]

jesus crist indie company

[fallow bramble]

for what should we drop premed?

[outer orchid]

im gonna try planned execution premed since i already have almost 800 haste

see if it feels better

[foggy estuary]

Peak efficiency

[fleet acorn]

The dev thought in Retail u still have thistle tea as item and not to skill

[woeful monolith]

u shouldnt drop unless u want to chill 10 sec at pull xd

[lavish glacier]

is there a fix for the a + d key bug after mirror delve?

[alpine wraith]

relog

[solar glen]

I was like "Oh BIS Chain!!! and Raidbots is like: No. TAKE LEGS!!!!!!!" Its simming wrong?

[tribal blade]

isn't that the haste/vers neck

[fleet acorn]

All Bad take extra loot

[solar glen]

Hero Slot

[frosty axle]

bis chain for who

[alpine wraith]

chain is good

just take haste elsewhere off

[cosmic oracle]

but dudes are we running the cloud cover hero talent? or keeping the crit

[alpine wraith]

to mastery/crit

[cloud rover]

I hate simming this spec so much

[storm flare]

i got all 5 leg track items with vers...

[alpine wraith]

we are running cloud cover

[cosmic oracle]

ty

[solar glen]

ye i guess i take it like this.

[hallow mortar]

Did you guys try that bonus roll yet 😄

[alpine wraith]

it has some bugs for m+

you can get same item twice

for raid it is fine

[hallow mortar]

I feel like rolling first boss in raid 😄

Mythic head trinket shitty cloak and cata boots

[keen dome]

cloak can be cata'd, too

[summer mason]

Without Flask I’m at 680 haste, is that low?

[keen dome]

is that with or without oils, too

[hallow mortar]

Is it any good at cata?

[summer mason]

with oils

[frosty axle]

apparently its from doing it on diff keystone levels

[keen dome]

20 lower from comfy zone, probably fine

[hallow mortar]

That's rather bad

[frosty axle]

like a 10 and a 12 can give you same item

[violet palm]

We are not doing that weird stuff with overcapping to supercharge apex?

[verbal kelp]

can we upgrade to 298 this week? it shows 6/6 and 2/2

[keen dome]

No

4 weeks

[verbal kelp]

what the hell

and we have 2 bonus rolls righ?

[keen dome]

Yes

[lyric thorn]

is this rumors or posted somewhere?

[verbal kelp]

to spend in PoS

[mighty citrus]

^pin says go 700 haste, bot says 593 haste is enough. i see bot is a machine and so on but i dont understand how i can trust sims if it does not take enough haste? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7SVFF4neFVJbQf3qeRmTya
how do you guys deal with this? just follow blindly bot or follow pin?

[keen dome]

Bonus rolls are active. Upgrades are not and don't seem to be for a while.

[frosty axle]

o nvm even same keystone level

[keen dome]

I get 700 haste because I'm not a robot with pinpoint accuracy

[frosty axle]

just dont use on key gear

[mighty citrus]

i understand that point but that follows the rest of the sim is worth nothing no?

so how do i reflect what i want to wear

[tribal blade]

https://www.perplexity.ai

[keen dome]

You get 700 haste then get mast/crit gear

[tribal blade]

(i'm sorry)

[keen dome]

I WILL FIGHT THE COMPUTER

[tribal blade]

jhahahah

i knew it

[restive lynx]

This was already debunked, people are getting same loot with same key level

[keen dome]

i'm waiting for my M chim group to go so I have time to kill

[alpine wraith]

told the bot where our duel will be at sunrise

[verbal kelp]

guys where are you spending your bonus rolls? in raids or mythic+

[tribal blade]

i do enjoy the fact i have a growing list of things AI has adamantly told me is 100% factual and then it turns out to be completely wrong

[worldly oasis]

To not fall into the uber-cursed opener, may be an idea to just drop the healing received increse for premeditation?

[quaint breach]

no aoe blind?

[outer orchid]

this was a 1% sim increase
good to know i wasn't alone in swapping

[outer orchid]

fuck not running those in m+

[tribal blade]

i think it's more than 1%

when you factor in sitting on cds

[outer orchid]

my sim was 1%

[tribal blade]

and kill timers

[outer orchid]

true

ye

[restive lynx]

Waiting on blizzard fix

[alpine wraith]

you would need to play quite well in pooling etc

to not krangle the no premed things

[outer orchid]

i honestly dont mind no premed in raid

[alpine wraith]

you need 60 energy and around 5 sht or so before going into blades etc

[tribal blade]

when i tried playing no premed it truly felt miserable

[alpine wraith]

and 4-5 sht for normal dances

as sec tech now consumes sht to apex

[tribal blade]

you have to do a lot more pooling yeah

and preplanning dances

[alpine wraith]

so the second finisher needs extra SHT for apex

or you will be silly striking 3 times

in a row

[tribal blade]

if you run no premed and PE

[keen dome]

I just take premed because lazy, bad, lazy, comfy

[tribal blade]

solo dances are in the gutter haha

[alpine wraith]

yea it is fine tho

the extra power in cds helps prop it up as eleem said

[tribal blade]

that's true

[alpine wraith]

but it also adds mindgames

and i thin k people wont like those

[tribal blade]

yeah it adds an extra layer of complexity

that doesn't need to be there

[alpine wraith]

i will try to explain but tell people that it is not that much of an overall loss

but you will do around 10% or so less burst

in blades

[tribal blade]

for sure yeah

[outer orchid]

i mean this iteration of sub was very simple

[quaint breach]

my tooltip still says limit 1. Tested it and it does indeed aoe blind now

[pseudo verge]

the amount of time im gonna die because you can't see anything in smoke bomb is gonna be insane in m+

[lyric thorn]

what exactly is bugged with premed currently, cant find it in the faq or pins (maybe i missed it sry in that case)

[outer orchid]

with premed you didn't really have to think much about sht

[alpine wraith]

you can also kill people

[earnest lodge]

feel like if ur playing with a puzzle box def worth to play for the big blades burst

[alpine wraith]

because they cant see

[raw frost]

if i want to paly with premeditation is the dps loss that big ? due to the shadowblades or not ;d

[tribal blade]

i think no premed+PE build would be the play on bird

on egg phase

[short radish]

@tribal blade played a pit and honestly i think i can get used to the no premed

[raw frost]

because its really annoying opener 😄

[short radish]

it felt a bit wack

[tribal blade]

SHEEEESH

[alpine wraith]

you can kinda get used to things

[outer orchid]

allegedly 0.5%-1%

[short radish]

but in aoe it's playable

[alpine wraith]

remember we used to prep dances for around 24 s or so back in the day

[short radish]

also bursting the first pack is fucking nice

[verbal kelp]

so what's the opener now? SS -> backstab to 7 cp -> SB/SD/ST?

[alpine wraith]

also pool energy to 60

[hazy breach]

Theres no bug that makes it so we dont want to play premed. The apex is designed in a way that makes it so you can never proc a clone with premed up

[eternal abyss]

SS into Vanish into SS kinda brings me to full CP on opener. Maybe thats the play?

[tribal blade]

maybe i'll mess around with no premed

[alpine wraith]

it is more dps to vanish in between dances in blades to strike but yea that works

[tribal blade]

but unlikely

unless it's far better

[eternal abyss]

yeah but on opener, I sometimes gotta do 4-5 backstabs to reach 7 cps.
it can delay some cooldowns and alignments for certain mechanics.

[hollow spear]

4-5 backstabs sounds a bit excessive tbh

[tribal blade]

4-5 backstabs i don't think should be possible

[raw frost]

i will play with premeditation 😄

dont care for 0.5 % dps loss

its just better and smooth

[outer orchid]

maybe no premed + planned ex felt bad because i was just doing 12s for vault and we were pulling like fresh learning tanks
i doubt i'll see myself push keys with how pugs are

[verbal kelp]

How much energy do we pool to before jumping into blades in opener?

[gentle temple]

What could we change as sub for M+ more single target? Take out finality for the rotten is a huge loss¿?

[safe kindle]

and what do you move for premed? i kinda lost on what the changes were

[tribal blade]

60

[woven nimbus]

step cd and range

[tribal blade]

if you play premed you do 0 pooling UwU

[verbal kelp]

thanks man, and when do we vanish now?

[raw frost]

so

finality is better at the end of the day ?

[tribal blade]

there's kinda multiple different answers on that

[raw frost]

or the rotten does anyome sim it ?

[tribal blade]

generally between dances in blades

[verbal kelp]

like before sending second dance/ST?

[tribal blade]

yeah

[rustic mortar]

Are we Not playing First Dance anymore?

[hollow spear]

I have 1.243 mastery and 685 crit. Should I go to 1.047 mastery and 878 crit? My zodiac is cancer btw.

[tribal blade]

i think it's still playable in keys

[outer orchid]

what are we doing for cleave? just moving weaponmaster to potent powder? or are we messing with the rotten

feels like the rotten is pretty necessary now

[tribal blade]

i actually just ran the exact same build on dragons except with cloud cover

[outer orchid]

you mean like our previous cleave talents?

[tribal blade]

finality+PP

yeah

[outer orchid]

hrm

[west arch]

Ring maybe?

[tribal blade]

THE FABLED PHONE PHOTO OF COMPUTER SCREEN

[alpine wraith]

ring is good or belt if you dont have it already

maybe man is at work

[velvet jay]

Simming doesn't really seem to work for me. Cause it does not go to the 700 haste but purely stacks crit

[tribal blade]

i would probably take the ring

for 2 set

[west arch]

Mi wife take screen Iam working

[velvet jay]

should I ignore those sims and just go for 700 haste

[outer orchid]

set the sim to not use any oils and it'll suggest more haste

[tribal blade]

haha i'm just messing with you, no flame ❤️

it's one of my favorite things to see in here

[velvet jay]

But why would I sim like that xD? im using oils

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nWo6gxofemvPe2i85j7wj8

[outer orchid]

because the sim is a computer with perfect inputs and no lag/delay
so you should sim without the haste oils to slow it down and it'll try to add more haste to compensate

[velvet jay]

this is my sim atm. with this cloak and the gems I do not get 700 haste

[outer orchid]

yes

sim without oils on

[velvet jay]

ah

like that ok

how does one sim without the oils xD

I don't see the option

?

should I disable this

[rigid delta]

i assume im simming wrong if my results tell me to use mast/vers gems?

[tight fjord]

the sim doesnt show a delay on the guidon for the dance. is that fixed?

[raw frost]

guys

when i swap from finality to rotten

[hazy breach]

No

[raw frost]

there is 2k dps increase

[hazy breach]

But it genuinely doesnt matter in the sim

Like it has no impact on the results

[raw frost]

oh yes

so in raid you will be with the rotten i guess for ST only

ok

[tame stratus]

is no tfd for m+ correct?

[raw frost]

if i take premeditation the dps is 1k more as well D:

[mighty citrus]

apparently, when you enter a delv, you cant strafe anymore

f me

tried reload and restart

[keen dome]

sigh 😠

Also, cloud cover straight stopped working for me during chimM. Full energy. I popped blades and it just.. didn't activate at all

[bronze turret]

PV is stronger than veiltouched for me, anyone else seeing that, its minor, but its there

[outer orchid]

twinning!

got mine right here!

[keen dome]

Nice

[lusty narwhal]

i cannot recall a patch with this many bugs in a long while maybe ever

[velvet jay]

is 672 haste enough?

[tepid trellis]

games too easy

ong

[alpine wraith]

you will need to be more of a gamer

[quaint breach]

how does ephemral bond increase our dps?

[outer orchid]

not like i watched 5 people roll gaze with their bonus rolls and none dropped in raid :)
i'm so glad to have gaze elude me yet again :)

[tepid trellis]

it doesent, Premed just lowers it

which is why u take it xD

[quaint breach]

🥲

[tepid trellis]

it bugs out apex and it makes u do less strikes which is bad

[quaint breach]

is that a bug or feature?

[tepid trellis]

since strike during blades does infinite dmg now

[wicked fox]

anyone playing both outlaw and sub knows wich class got buffed the most?

[tepid trellis]

its a bug

[tepid trellis]

outlaw

by almost double the amount

[quaint breach]

ok, so If we are lucky we get premed back

[balmy gate]

Outlaw If u wanna Push Go Outlaw

[wicked fox]

dang, it might be my time to swap to outlaw thenh

[balmy gate]

Low Keys SUB is fine but high Keys No Chance to get invited

[thin sinew]

fucking yikes

[wicked fox]

yeah I already can't find 15/16 keys if I don't tag with friends

[outer orchid]

in perfect play, outlaw is only ahead by like 4-5% i think
up to you if doing a full swap is worth the effort to you

[balmy gate]

4-5% is huge for rogue haha

[cosmic dust]

If we are beeing honest, it doesnt really matter in like 500-800wr guild if im playing sub or outlaw on last 3 bosses (crown/bel/lura) right? Even with the outlaw buffs

[velvet jay]

Can I also make the sim use different sockets? instead of 5 of the same?

[light hull]

what do you think in raid? I was playing Sub/Assa, should I consider swapping to full Outlaw or Sub?

[lapis bough]

!bug

[outer orchid]

i mean
if you have the crests available to do a full swap and still be in that 4-5% range then sure

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[alpine wraith]

sub is still fine and on most bosses we can pad better

also outlaw is not for everyone but if you also enjoy it and have a wep you have 4 weeks to choose

because after that

you need to upgrade 1 item

and it has to be MH

for biggest gaing

[hazy breach]

Yes by checking this box

However it doesnt really matter, just use 5 of the same and the +32 agi one

[short radish]

yeah @tribal blade i think no premed in dungeons is fine

it means a bit more afking

but having control feels a lot nicer

[tribal blade]

makes sense

[thin sinew]

what sort of value we putting on sockets and or rerolls from vault?

[short radish]

like you sit and just pool your sht a bit more or something

[earnest crane]

is it still deathstalker better on pure singel target fights?

[short radish]

12 skyreach

granted these are pugs

and i absolutely padded the fuck out of the bird pull after 2nd boss

[tribal blade]

haha hell yeha

[outer orchid]

now that we're not running premed
i gotta ask
are we trying to optimize sectech with apex + supercharge? or is it still better to just send without apex at beginning of dance

[short radish]

we do a bit of damage

[short radish]

im optimising but im also feelycrafting my way through

the sectech apex is a bit whatever though

it's worth the same as a regular evis

[tribal blade]

my feelycraft is premed is better for how i play

but that's just me

[keen dome]

I'm gonna try Imperator without premed

[tribal blade]

i might mess with both

[short radish]

ye

[outer orchid]

i thought it was only like that because of premed for sectech

[tribal blade]

i'm also messing with sin in keys right now

because cloud cover is awesome in raid

not so much

oh i used a banned word

interesting

i didn't think that word was even bad

[keen dome]

smh

we'll never know what naughty word you used

[tribal blade]

oh ok i see why now haha

[keen dome]

did you google it

[tribal blade]

i never knew the etimology of the word

yeah

[keen dome]

the more we know

the better we are

[short radish]

👀

[tribal blade]

THE MORE YOU KNOW

[olive canyon]

in m+ no premed feels fine

in ST - on premed is managable

[sharp seal]

interesting, premed is +586 for my gear vs healing node

[outer orchid]

i did not have a fun time in m+ running planned ex and no premed

[sour horizon]

Wtf is this patch

[outer orchid]

felt like assa with all the SHT pooling

[lyric thorn]

is there some region wide strike against rogues in m+ or smthing going on? the declines are going hard rn

[keen dome]

it's reset day

[olive canyon]

odd mine is the same in the other direction for no premed

[keen dome]

six THOUSAND MILLION DPS are applying to keys

[outer orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[lyric thorn]

that is true, i guess everyone and their mother are 282+ these days

[keen dome]

or has higher .io et al

it's how it goes

keep on keeping on

[drowsy plume]

hey anyone knows how much we lose dps when we drop premeditation ?

[short radish]

this is why we need to say smoke bomb is a DR

we have an opportunity folks

[keen dome]

we wouldn't even be lying

it is a DR

[short radish]

and we need to seize it

[lyric thorn]

true sir, spread the word

[safe kindle]

If i have around 1.150 mastery i'd assume it would make sense to move around 2-300 to crit?

[outer orchid]

damage defense reduction

[limber folio]

vault today feels like reroll moment

i got NK neck when i dont need it

[fallow bramble]

i still dont know if i stick to sin in my highkeys or swap to sub

[limber folio]

i just want gaze tuh

[limber folio]

honestly play what you like or prefer

[sharp seal]

got low crit / high mastery

[limber folio]

id say assa is still gonna be up there

[fallow bramble]

thats the problem i like both and want to play whats better xd

[outer orchid]

outlaw

[fallow bramble]

f off

[forest moss]

do the sims ignore the haste break points? its telling me to change gems taking me away from the 650 ~ 700 range

[short radish]

on paper assi is going to be better

because it has funnel

[fallow bramble]

i hate outlaw from the bottom of my heart

[short radish]

but sub now has a shit ton of burst as well

also yeah outlaw is kinda strong high keys

with how much DR

the thing is though

no one knows enough about rogue

that isn't a rogue

so if you are sub or assi

[hollow quest]

W

[short radish]

it doesnt matter

youre just a rogue

[outer orchid]

they see rogue and think
this guy probably wont do mechs or kick anything

[keen dome]

and youre cool

[keen dome]

that's true

[fallow bramble]

understandable

i never kick

[outer orchid]

bro is part of the problem

[keen dome]

mechanics are for cars

[fallow bramble]

always blame others

doing for 18 years of rogue now

[outer orchid]

now that its harder to track kicks you can just say it was stacked with someone elses

[wicked fox]

I have the same problem lol, but I have a better sub gear, and someone said outlaw is only ahead by 4-5%, but idk where the stat comes from sooo

[outer orchid]

stacked 100% of the time

[wicked fox]

meanwhile I kick and even kidneyshot and never get invited either

[fallow bramble]

problem is also for raid, looks like sub is way better than sin

so if i wanna do both i should go for sub

[wicked fox]

oh I thought you were talking about outlaw

[outer orchid]

have to start whispering the leader and begging to be invited saying you're ethical and will kick everytime its up and will use CC over damage

[keen dome]

follow your heart

play what you enjoy

[wicked fox]

didn't read everything

[balmy gate]

I thought we get more buffs but fine i will play assa haha

[keen dome]

you will have a good time

[cinder zenith]

guys this macro is correct 4 CDS ? the order i mean

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Light's Potential
/cast Secret Technique

[short radish]

sorry bro i just really want an aug

[fossil forge]

@tepid trellis did you get the preordered aleria neck?

[paper trail]

IS the nexus rings worth it ? or losing to much crit?

[wicked fox]

I mean in 16 they just autodecline

[vale pine]

i odered one too, but i think my delivery is compromised

[outer orchid]

yeah

been there

quit that

now i only do 12s

[wicked fox]

I suspect them to have an addon that autodeclines rogue

[outer orchid]

for vault

[fossil forge]

My Gaze delivery was lost in the ocean during the transport

[fallow bramble]

my sin heart is going for this

[fossil forge]

Bismillah bro actually got it

I cant

[wicked fox]

you too?

[fathom adder]

which bosses would you use potent powder as well as finality instead of rotten/wm for? the raid page seems to just use the st one on bosses like salad

[outer orchid]

wouldn't doubt it

[daring raptor]

Just do keys with friends

i never pug

cba

[keen dome]

I always pug

it rules

[wicked fox]

I mean I'm a rogue main, could you define friends?

[daring raptor]

oh lord

[wicked fox]

hahaha

[fossil forge]

The rich get richer

[daring raptor]

Push your own key is always the answer

[vale osprey]

With how much we're going into crit now, is the crit eversong diamond ever worth it?

[daring raptor]

sim it

[outer orchid]

easier said than done

[wicked fox]

yeah my key is 16 but I have the same problem lmao

[vale osprey]

The robot is whiring away rn

[daring raptor]

haha

can't wait to get home and open vault

[fossil forge]

ur gonna get realitychecked

So hard

[tepid trellis]

need more crit ong

[fossil forge]

Whats the number for crit

[drowsy plume]

shadowblade got gcd ?

[tepid trellis]

well BiS is like 1k

around that mark

[fossil forge]

Im like 880 rn

[weary tree]

cursed stats

[tepid trellis]

and ive got like 700

[fossil forge]

Im eating good apparently

saladbar neck stonks

[normal wolf]

You need more speed

[hollow quest]

All into 100% speed

[vale osprey]

With flask?

[analog hearth]

more dmg to vanish in opener or backstab seems a lot of misinformation goin around

[outer orchid]

these are my stats currently
felt manageable in raid

[tepid trellis]

yes

[daring raptor]

i would get some more haste

[outer orchid]

guidon guides me on

to more haste

[daring raptor]

is it without weapon enchant or with?

the oils

[junior marsh]

Right now pure ST in raid we take trickster over deathstalker?

[outer orchid]

that's full consumes

i was still hitting 2 st in sb

even without premed

manageable for sure

[daring raptor]

i find having under 650 is annoying cuz of mechs something but def managable

sometimes*

[short radish]

wait

holy shit

i just realised

pbox is meta because of this bug

[prisma ridge]

So i took myth belt from pit out of vault, can i still bonus roll it or is it out already?

[short radish]

since youre always going to have max energy

or at least enough to shadowblade

[outer orchid]

holy moly

the tech

[daring raptor]

why would pbox be meta?

[outer orchid]

drop everything mastery RIGHT NOW

[short radish]

no wonder i never had to deal with not having enough energy

[short radish]

it's not. i'm just being a bit of a silly

[daring raptor]

haha

what bug are you refering to though?

[vale osprey]

Without crafting dagger/belt and still have 3 upgrades into my neck which is an extra 17 crit

[daring raptor]

we have like 10 at this point

[fossil forge]

You cant not have energy If you use 2sec mogging pause

[short radish]

but i did just have that realisation that i haven't had to deal with 30 energy bug for sblade

[fossil forge]

[short radish]

because i ahve pbox

[outer orchid]

do you not have a guidon? or do you prefer pbox

[fossil forge]

HAHHAHA

[short radish]

no way

im asked that again

for the 5th time

[outer orchid]

oh

[fossil forge]

[outer orchid]

IM SORRY

[short radish]

this has to be a meme

at this point

[outer orchid]

MY BAD

[keen dome]

why do you have puzzle box and why isn't it in the sea

[vale osprey]

Hey Fim mate what trinkets are you running are they OPTIMAL?

[fossil forge]

Fimbul dont let these mfs get you down

we finna get out of prison soon

our time will come.

[forest moss]

is our best M+ neck from pit of saron? the crit haste?

[short radish]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[vale pine]

guidon over puzzle box

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035163024480276640/1495101632759730388/puzzle_box_1.gif

[cursive tundra]

okay, without having First Dance now, how does our burst window look like? when do I send my second dance in my shadow blades? when sectech comes back up? I feel like i'm missing a lot of damage by delaying dance

[hollow quest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

[hazy breach]

!blades

[karmic harbor]

was looking at logs, saw this "fimbulvtr" guy using box over guidon, why?

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[vale osprey]

Guys this guy is a box lover

[hazy breach]

But also you can play first dance if you want to

[tribal blade]

@short radish is trying to gaslamp himself into believing box is better UwU

[daring raptor]

so we are not supercharing sec tech anymore outside lost?

lust*

Bl

[vale pine]

you do

but you don't have a 2nd dance outside of blades

^^

you will cast dance 2 times during blades

[short radish]

im gonna crash out

so hard

if it doesnt drop again

[karmic harbor]

should i be recrafting haste/mast to haste/crit

[daring raptor]

yeah like always

[keen dome]

maybe it's inside the puzle box

[cursive tundra]

thank you so with guidon i have 8.8s dance with 17s sectech
then I send dance + sb, and about 12s into the burst, while still benefiting of guidon, I send the second dance

[hazy breach]

You could always use your coins 🙂