subtlety

[short radish]

[prisma ibex]

BUG

[steep raven]

[dusky yacht]

Hahah I didn't even know this was still in the game, amazing

[hallow mortar]

any idea when EU servers suppose to be up?

[coral bear]

Why does shadow blade use energy?

am i tripping

[short radish]

[coral bear]

:3

I WAS BAITING

[golden thunder]

@fuu thx for updating the spreadsheet ... mvp

[hushed roost]

yes

[pulsar hemlock]

You can buy the glyph on the AH still I think

[short radish]

[coral bear]

Yo why energy cost shadowblade 30x?

[golden thunder]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[hallow mortar]

cool

[hushed roost]

we get a buff that is bugged shit is fire

shoutout blizzard

[quaint lodge]

@warm marlin is there any knowledge u can drop on em for optimizing egg dps

[golden thunder]

if I read correct outlaw has the same problem with AR

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[dusky yacht]

Maybe they fix premed while they're at it

https://giphy.com/gifs/obama-barack-obama-2012-3otPoyudZ18xASX0rK

[warm marlin]

most of the turbo stuff is gone

you play puzzle

you stack SC

to 5/6

do giga damage

[oak sorrel]

sorry if this is pinned, but cloud cover is still better after the nerf to 2 stacks right

[lucid jackal]

What

[dusky yacht]

What

[oak sorrel]

didn't it initially release with a max of 3 stacks?

[quaint lodge]

It still is

[lucid jackal]

It is a max of 3 stacks

[strange chasm]

I don't think it was nerfed to 2 stacks

[lucid jackal]

2 additional

2 + 1 = 3

[oak sorrel]

oh i thought it was originally 3 additional stacks

[dusky yacht]

[bleak night]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wtf-wth-3

[dusky yacht]

Can confirm

[left ledge]

[dusky yacht]

[charred thunder]

Did shadowstrike combo point generation change?\

I seem to remember it generating 5 always and now it's 2? Maybe I'm misremembering?

[short radish]

[spiral needle]

its not having premed talent

[charred thunder]

LOL

[topaz raptor]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[charred thunder]

yep

[dusky yacht]

Wait and not taking premed is still better

That's wild

[charred thunder]

It feels terrible

[spiral needle]

poorly thought out apex talent

what can you do

[night sluice]

are you fucking kidding me? 8hours of fucking downtime for a .5 patch? .....

[zenith mirage]

it was 6hrs on NA

[swift tinsel]

one of our raiders is broken

[zenith mirage]

prob gonna be less for EU

[umbral fulcrum]

it was more than 6 on NA

it was like 8

[zenith mirage]

o rly

i got told it was 6

ggs

[umbral fulcrum]

didnt come up until 6pm

[umbral fulcrum]

and they go down well before noon

[dusky yacht]

Not the swampy bear meme

[night sluice]

isn't that why we have NA? so EU doesn't need that long time

[umbral fulcrum]

[zenith mirage]

i mean eu went down 3hrs ago

might come up soon

[night sluice]

I need my vault-fix before work

[dusky yacht]

Good fix

[pure cloud]

So we’re holding onto rerolls cuz they can roll same loot again?

[mortal snow]

Just finished raid with guild. The 30 energy cost on Shadow Blades with Cloud Cover is very rough. I was missing 1-2 globals or not having Secret Tech available when popping Shadow Dance constantly.

There is a lot more emphasis on just sitting Auto attacking before Shadow Blade leaves CD.

[spice matrix]

How did blizzard manage to make the Obelisk graphic WORSE

[fair phoenix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[night sluice]

I really like the 'bonusrolls' its a step in the right direction, now blizz just need to make it possible for m+ players to get myth track raid trinket without raiding mythic

[hushed roost]

ngl shit literally makes me not want to play sub right now lol

[short radish]

no.

[hushed roost]

but uhh feels way better just using premed

[short radish]

to the 2nd part

not the first part

[night sluice]

either that or make it so m+ trinkets always is best in m+

[hushed roost]

if you guys are feeling kind of down about the other bugs

[pure cloud]

You can do fart cloud and premed, which is probably what imma do

[mortal snow]

The tooltip doesn't show energy cost. Is this supposed going to be the direction, or will this be taken off?

[graceful terrace]

can someone post the old ST build?

pls

[night sluice]

I don't understand why blizard always need to push m+ players into raiding to be optimal

[short radish]

because they push raiders into m+ to be optimal as well

[night sluice]

that is just as bad

[short radish]

yes

unfortuantely the systems are too tied together at this point

[pure cloud]

Don’t have a huge problem with it being optimal to touch other parts of the game

[west tide]

guys whats the best rotation for egg

sometimes im numba 1 sometimes im not

[night sluice]

just make it so raiders can earn a currency to get m+ gear and vice versa

[short radish]

would you like to have to be optimal to also have to pvp in order to raid?

[barren gyro]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/subtlety/trickster/EAOEFVUVRUVUVZggQCUQOVURRFVVEVQSkUNBVFFVVVUCAQ

[short radish]

do you think that is good design?

[echo tiger]

are you guys swapping to other spec after the update?

[pure cloud]

Wouldn’t bother me personally but I think that’s a false equivalence

[short radish]

it's not because that used to be the case

[graceful terrace]

this didnt take me to the build

[quaint breach]

Outlaw too adhd for my adhd

[barren gyro]

seems assass is complaining about the new shit mandatory talent you have to take to "redirect" deathmark

[graceful terrace]

just share loadout code

[short radish]

the pvp 1min badge trinket used to be BIS up till myth track loot every so often

[fair phoenix]

noob question , have some diff between mythic puzzle on 276 and hc

[barren gyro]

try now. it double linked somehow

[night sluice]

and in bfa when you needed a pvp power for the neck

[graceful terrace]

ty

[pure cloud]

Even if it used to be that way, that doesn’t mean doing small scale group pve for good large scale pve stuff is the same as having to do arenas

[short radish]

i think forcing people to play content in order to play other content is not good game design

[barren gyro]

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgBXAAAAAAMLjxyEz22YMzYG8AzMzMGz2Ymx22MzMeAGjxFMzsNAAAAGYMgxsZYgBmFtQL2wMgZGMjhB

[waxen viper]

this is making no sense to me, sims are telling me to use guidon in m+ instead of my myth puzzle box https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jPwYQWjfbAwEA9qTWqCpij

[night sluice]

congrats, can't wait for s2 so I don't have to touch the puzzlebox again

[short radish]

small scale group pve that takes at least 4 hours of my life

[night sluice]

fuck that casttime

[pure cloud]

You’ve basically never been able to cap and walk straight into raid without some lead in

[short radish]

that i could spend doing other things

[short radish]

yes but that's entirely the problem

raiders HAVE to do m+

[graceful terrace]

missing 4 talents lmao

[short radish]

you cannot cap without doing m+

you also have to do m+ for spammable hero track loot to be crest efficient

[pure cloud]

I’d be fine if it was that, to be clear

[waxen viper]

yeah i dont wanna use it but its so damn good in M+ right now

[short radish]

arguably raiders have to m+ more than than m+ers have to raid

[pure cloud]

That’s definitely true

[night sluice]

yes, but easier to pug m+ than mythic raids

[hallow mortar]

so outlaw supremacy on logs started 😄

[barren gyro]

why does the icy-veins overall gear bis vary so differently from wowhead?

[short radish]

because outside of trinkets and maybe weapons - bis gear doesn't really exist

[pure cloud]

But idk, don’t have a problem with, at least on some level, ‘you need to go prove you can be in a 5 man, before you raid’

Not saying it should be how it is now tho

[short radish]

too bad. just get the heroic version. i guarantee you that 95% of people complaining about "oh no i have to use a heroic version of a trinket intead of myth version" wouldn't even notice a difference if they had the heroic one equipped instead of myth

probably 98% actually

i think there needs to be some form of gate keeping in order to make achievements more meaningful

slightly controversial but i'll die on that hill

[barren gyro]

lol i give up!

[graceful terrace]

i got it lol

[pure cloud]

I’d honestly like to see something similar to proving grounds again, but with a sort of walk through of blizzs visual language for mechanics

[short radish]

yeah that'd be good

also blizzard being consistent on their intent for visual language

[night sluice]

Is dreamrift mythic pugable? 🤔

[short radish]

yes

they took 10 steps forward in TWW s3 with visual indicators

then 6 steps back in midnight

[pure cloud]

Yeah some things look like soaks, some soaks look like bad

[short radish]

well also that yeah

but take the frontal in nexus point

the light frontal from the elite mobs in the last packs

that is so fucking faint to see

which is even more surprising because for once it's light on a purple background

instead of purple on purple background

[oak sorrel]

so do we rip a shuriken in st now for the guaranteed crit or nah

[pure cloud]

Also visually in npx there’s no indication you should be standing in the haste laser

[dreamy wedge]

Why? SS is still so much stronger, they both scaled the same

[short radish]

yeah, though i think that's partially okay

it is in the dungeon journal

at least im pretty sure it is

[pure cloud]

Not at my pc : /

[short radish]

i think there's some bits which are fine to "discover"

[pure cloud]

Omw to 3 stacked vaults in about an hour tho

[short radish]

i think a scenario where they make "green circle good to stand in, red circle bad to stand in"

for everything

isn't good

but there is a good balance

and tww s3 did a lot of things right

like just think how clear basically every swirlie was

and then they even went back for previous dungeons

and made those swirlies that werent obvious

obvious

[pure cloud]

Yeah but regarding what you said before, I’d be fine if the ‘gatekeeping’ was literally a gate you had to fight puzzle a boss to get through, solo

[short radish]

cant remember which ones off the top of my head but i definitely noticed some

[toxic igloo]

Is the Void Strike thing broken?

[short radish]

yeah but also end of the day wow is supposed to be a multiplayer game

people just treat it as a single player game with other players

but it's not

and we can mald about getting shitty party/raid members in your group

that mess up mechanics

but the multiplayer aspect is a core part of how basically all the end game combat scenarios are

like there are plenty of single player games with other players

eg poe

[worldly dagger]

I saw a sub rogue use smoke bomb during a key earlier. Anyone know which talent tree is it from?

[zenith hollow]

When we just send 2nd dance in blades in last 8 seconds is that because its more important to have a whole extra shadow dance in blade window vs getting a supercharged sectech?

[short radish]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[lilac stag]

Trickster cloud cover

[zenith hollow]

I know what we are supposed to do I am asking WHY we do it that way

[worldly dagger]

ooh oki thanks. I was curious

[short radish]

because the sims say so or something

[lilac stag]

To max dps with little room fur ur failing.

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

i'd assume it's because 4 seconds of ss+evis is better than the supercharged extra element of sectech

but i dunno math behind it

and you can also line it up when in bloodlust

[lilac stag]

It was .1% worse in robot, but the SC Sectech shit was so hard to pull off

[stuck lance]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[stuck lance]

^what does this have to do with ancient arts thing i am confused

[mortal galleon]

what is the new raid cleave build?

[haughty sedge]

anyone else lagging

[kind edge]

we are laggin in the realm selection

[fair phoenix]

btw we can roll more then once when finish one key

?

[dreamy wedge]

Ancient arts doesn't count SS as generator with premed up

[tired heart]

No

[oak sorrel]

can we reclear a heroic boss and roll on it the 2nd time around?

[short radish]

please for your own sake do not roll on heroic gear

[oak sorrel]

i would love to have the option not to but getting mythic chim to die in pugs is near impossible

[earnest crane]

Make a gp and lead it 😄

[short radish]

it will only get easier week on week

i typically always say "you play for whatever upgrades you can get now, not in 2 months"

but like surely there are better myth track pieces of gear to roll on

worth the same as a H gaze

[fair phoenix]

lol

[oak sorrel]

the leading is never the issue, it's the inability for people to press a defensive during madness, stay on their own side, not run a dispel across the room 3 seconds before soak, etc etc etc etc

[earnest crane]

if u be leader u can insta remove

the failuer

and finally u get good ppl

[latent parcel]

so it looks like we will need a mastery set for mythics and then crit set for raids?

[short radish]

yes but also no it really doesn't matter if oyu have a bit more mastery or a bit more crit

like sure it's nice to have

but game is not unplayable

[latent parcel]

my crit set is dependant on haste flask

mastery set is fine and i just get more crit from crit flask

[earnest crane]

in pins it says guidon is our first upgrade even its our first if we mainly doing M+ more ?

[latent parcel]

40dps diff on sim but its simmed with crit flask on both sets so negligible atp

[short radish]

bro

40dps is a rounding error

[latent parcel]

ofc, but its a 20% haste vs 15% haste difference

[short radish]

just use your haste flask for crit set

it'll be fine

or just run your mastery set everywhere

it'll still be fine

[hazy lichen]

what should i use rerolls on mythic gaze or dungeons yall think

[latent parcel]

@short radish ill be fine thank you for your time

[short radish]

acutally maybe mastery won't be as fine but /shrug

attalad

after not getting guidon for the 5th week in a row

i have achieved a state of zen regarding gear

get good enough gear and press damage buttons and boss dies

[latent parcel]

no gaze but warbound guidon last week somehow

[fierce umbra]

After patch. Do you guys can feeling a lot different of dps?

[latent parcel]

its champ but fuck it we ball

[short radish]

[latent parcel]

healer and tank in my group got gaze from weekly fml

[oak sorrel]

im definitely noticing a difference in the burst lol

[abstract cosmos]

whats diff in builds

what we running

[oak sorrel]

#subtlety message

[latent parcel]

youre running whatever sims highest in top gear

[sick epoch]

The bad thing with the cloud is on m+ ir tank moves too much

[wanton mantle]

i went to an all crit build for a Windrunner key. now i've run windrunner like 8 times last week so i knew where my dps SHOULD be at roughly. My overall was down a good 15-20k but my ST boss damage was up a bit more. But didnt realize mastery was still really good for M+ so im back in my mastery set

[short radish]

this is why i keep saying that we need to gaslamp the community into thinking smoke bomb is a defensive

[sick epoch]

HAHAHAHAH like darkness

[short radish]

im only half joking when i say that

[sick epoch]

I think we should do that

[short radish]

we have a very rare opportunity here

no one knows how rogues work

[pure cloud]

‘Stand in smoke, you’ll take less dmg’ (because I will kill them faster)

[short radish]

most of the rogues dont know how rogues work

if we just keep saying "it's a defensive like smoke bomb used to be"

which is true (for us)

[sick epoch]

Xd I'll try this later this might believe me

[short radish]

1. we'll gaslamp teh community into thinking we have a defensive
2. they'll stay in the cloud

[sick epoch]

Like hey guys where do u want rogue darkness

[dry zodiac]

had a mage outrange the healer during my cooldowns and the healer blamed the smoke bomb for LOSing him

[short radish]

nonono you can't say that because then you will have to sit on your offensive cd

[dry zodiac]

so we definitely need to gaslight everybody

[short radish]

it's just a defensive tied into our offensive

[sick epoch]

Well at least for m+ I'm happy that aoe blidn is back too

[tribal blade]

ok cloud cover feels better in raid than keys

it's easier to know

[pure cloud]

You do actually take less damage when things die faster

[tribal blade]

when you can pop

[short radish]

i think in p*sh keys it also wont be as much as an issue since pulls will be more static

[tribal blade]

i popped off on dragons

[short radish]

yoooooooooooooo

[tribal blade]

that's true yeah

[bleak night]

100 parse

[tribal blade]

blades literally ended right as they died lol

just barely got last set off

in time

[short radish]

sometimes you win the kill timer

sometimes you dont

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[short radish]

gz chief

[oak sorrel]

cant trust anyone who does lvlcap

[pure cloud]

Gotta farm plat so I can spend my money on tokens

[uncut juniper]

Do you save sectec+SD for every adds spawn?

[past pike]

im pretty sure u have to

for parse

[tribal blade]

yes

[uncut juniper]

Nice

[tribal blade]

it's tough after 1st intermission though

after sending x2 dances on add

[soft summit]

great... so already rogues are having a tough enough time getting groups with us bringing nothing to the table except medicore dps, now we are going to be definitely unwanted give nthat cloud cover hides most ground mechanics

[pure cloud]

Fart cloud blues

[short radish]

nonono the cloud is a defensive

that tanks should stay in

[soft summit]

lol

how bout the cloud gives everyone a flat 10% damage buff.. then we'd actually be wanted and the cloud would be acceptable

[short radish]

lets not get crazy and give rogue an offensive raid wide damage niche

[pure cloud]

It makes mobs do less damage… by dying faster

[errant hearth]

has anyone done mythics with cloud yet?

[lucid jackal]

dungeons or raid

[errant hearth]

dungoen

[soft summit]

I have

[lucid jackal]

yep

[errant hearth]

i feel algathar first pull might suck with it how did it feel?

[daring raptor]

how are you on?
Realms are down for me

[soft summit]

was just told bny my last tank that until the cloud is toned down he wont be inviting any more rogues

[woeful egret]

that opener feels horrible

[oak sorrel]

did you call him a donkey fuck before you left

[soft summit]

also the bug with cloud costing 30 energy is super annoying

[errant hearth]

THATS A FKIN BUG

[soft summit]

lol didnt think of that

[coral bear]

My stat weights on sub RN

[short radish]

EU when they realise that there's more than one server

smh americans

[lucid jackal]

Feels worse than not having rune of power but its fine

[short radish]

wait no not americans this time

[brisk onyx]

balanced

[daring raptor]

everything is down. "no server is currently avaible"

[coral bear]

goated AF

[oak sorrel]

im not overly fussed about missing 1 backstab every 90 seconds

[coral bear]

IKR!!!

[wet pelican]

anyone feeling combo point starved with the new build today?

[coral bear]

Did u

remove

Premeditation*

[woeful egret]

without premed opener feels bad and burst is lower

[wet pelican]

yeah i am not using premed

[coral bear]

There u have it

it fucked my 2 1st mythic boss today

[wet pelican]

pinned build doesnt have premed tho right?

[coral bear]

till i realised

and i parsed a 99 on 1st boss

[past pike]

why arent we taking it anymore?

[coral bear]

I mean, might be 99

top 11 rn

[woeful egret]

I did noticeably less damage today in my test keys today, for the first time in a while I did less than 100k overall in an 10+ key

[past pike]

whats was thr dps?

[coral bear]

No reason not to take it

[uncut juniper]

!prem

[wet pelican]

what do u remove to take premed?

cuz the opener is ROUGH

[oak sorrel]

whatever you removed premed for

[uncut juniper]

!premeditation

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[lusty solar]

ephemeral bond, taking premed is a dps loss cause game sucks but

not that it matters

[errant hearth]

so your saying we cant play the game correctly because blizzard made an oppsie

bruh

[vale osprey]

Does the consensus seem to be that even though not playing premed is slightly more DPS, it's absolutely horrid to play with??

Also where are all the NA vault posts wtf

[lusty solar]

its like 0.5k dps not playing it

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[woeful egret]

yes, I just evis first then use sectech second

[dry zodiac]

got mythic guidon, took it too fast to take SS, sorry

[vale osprey]

What does this do?

[sharp seal]

Was it running away 😁 ?

[woeful egret]

if you can't proc from premed combo points, then use sectech on combo points you didn't get from premed

[past pike]

twinning

[dry zodiac]

no, but the alternatives were a vers/haste belt, vers/haste neck, and the feather trinket from spire

[coral bear]

Im so fking happy rn

I changed my build

so my Sub SINGLE TARGET, and my ASSASSINATION MULTI TARGET, try to get the same build

Sub - Single
Sin - Slice

I need the same stats prio

[dry zodiac]

yeah it's very easy to multispec right now with the current stat prios

[dreamy wedge]

I mean they are all so equal there

litterally does not matter

[woeful egret]

honestly, it kind of doesn't matter to me. I spend an hour trying to get into groups then just go tank on my brew when I get fed up

[left ledge]

Lol have you tried listing your own key HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHA

[woeful egret]

I have, I noticed regardless when I'm on my brew I get to play the game more

[left ledge]

I love that line

You know what I noticed

Pressing storm bp for 90% of the dungeon sucks ass

But I didn’t notice that now

I noticed that in shadowlands

[woeful egret]

so my brew is 280+ ilvl giga chad that gets insta invites to anything I want. My rogue gets pity keys with the guild weekly keys on monday night

[left ledge]

But somehow we’ve come back to that

[smoky goblet]

jw if you used Premeditation instead of Ephemeral Bond/Quick Decisions (reverse), how much of a loss of dps would that be?

[wet pelican]

sorry im too much of a noob to know what i replaced 🙁

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i dont even have fun doing rogue keys

[left ledge]

About 500

[shrewd lantern]

shit is snooze

[left ledge]

So basically one crit makes it negligible

[past pike]

0.5

[smoky goblet]

i see im not the first to ask LOL kk ty ty

[left ledge]

It’s in the pin I think

[smoky goblet]

i could be blind i looked first, i neeeda look again

[wet pelican]

thank you

[left ledge]

Nvm the exact damage is not in the pin

[smoky goblet]

0.5% is basically the answeer i was looking for

[left ledge]

But really just play premed if you don’t need to have cutting edge dps

[woeful egret]

I must be pressing bp wrong, because I just did less damage than I remember

[smoky goblet]

cause w/o premed it just feeeeeels bad

[left ledge]

Yeah

[wet pelican]

i mean what does the non-premed opener even look like

ss and then backstab until points?

[left ledge]

Strike stab stab stab

[short radish]

i think throwing in coup is enough of a palate cleanser

[left ledge]

Yeah

[shrewd lantern]

just backstab in opener

[short radish]

that its not mongo bongo

[left ledge]

Then wait for 60 energy

[smoky goblet]

strike stab stab stab till max cp

wait 60 erng

opener

[left ledge]

Don’t forget 60 energy

If you don’t wait for 60 energy you are fucked

[woeful egret]

SS, bs....wait.....bs......wait.......bs....didn't crit.....wait....bs.....now go!

[smoky goblet]

dont forget also box if you have that

so thats another 2 seconds lol

[wet pelican]

i have guidon ironically

as the shittiest rogue in the world

[left ledge]

Not very ironic

Guidon is good

[wet pelican]

me bad tho

[dry flame]

Have things changed? I thought stat weighs is not good anymore

[woeful egret]

I have bad guidon

[dry flame]

Why is it bad?

[woeful egret]

it's not mythic

[smoky goblet]

tbh for non-CE raiders, Chimmy n 1st boss are puggable

[coral bear]

why wouldnt it work

[shadow snow]

0.7% diff myth-hero

[latent parcel]

beat this

[coral bear]

its still guidon

wdym

[wet pelican]

sorry another noob question, what is the other 30 energy for when you pool to 60

[astral axle]

I didnt mind no premed really. But I thought no warning signs was more noticeable for "feel" imo. but the sim shows that also isnt a big damage diff either between warning signs and planned execution.

[smoky goblet]

bug

[woeful egret]

true

[past pike]

if u use sech tech and shadow dance same time u should get 60 energy anyway no?

[smoky goblet]

bug + ST

[dry flame]

That doesn't make it bad - “There is no prize to perfection… only an end to pursuit.”

[shadow snow]

also the bug with premed, is that new too?

[past pike]

probs not just kinda newly found

[woeful egret]

well, i'm about at the end of my rogue pursuit. keys aren't that fun with rotation when I actually get in them and blizzard keeps making rogues hard to main

[hallow mortar]

Im glad people enjoy new opener

[smoky goblet]

also @left ledge although gloom is cool n all, i do not rmb the last tier we used gloomblade 😂

[dry flame]

I was told here that stat weights sims are a bit outdated and no longer super accurate and to just go for haste breakpoint + as much crit/mastery as possible

[errant hearth]

does anyone know if we use premed and just eviserate / black pow first, then ST does that prevent the effect of the bug?

[past pike]

is anyone able to answer the 60 energy this sorry

[woeful egret]

the cool new talent costs 30 energy to work

[coral bear]

Oh yeah I agree with that

[astral axle]

enough energy to blades then dance + sectech

[left ledge]

Well I do

[dry flame]

Understandable

[woeful egret]

so you need energy for sectech AND the cool new talent

[left ledge]

And you can thank your lucky stars you don’t

[coral bear]

Thats why I use elexir, for haste, to make up for the lack of haste

[smoky goblet]

was it BFA?

[left ledge]

Dragonflight

[past pike]

oh ok so thats with the energy shadowblades

[left ledge]

It was our strongest ability

[haughty sedge]

i still got veteran bro

[smoky goblet]

ok after BFA LOL not as far as i rmb

[coral bear]

Cause its impossible to be milisecond perfect with global cooldown, so i follow the sim like its said, but i use haste elexir to make up for it and it fixes the issue just fine for me

around like 700

[woeful egret]

i'm not gonna lie, the rogue to monk pipeline is real. 1 min zenyth feels great, similar burst, similar ST, the option to tank

[fringe geyser]

!trinket

[woeful egret]

I didn't feel to great on my feral today either

I seriously thought details was broken

[finite lynx]

what is it thats causing me to generate combo points inside of cooldowns? like right after i use a spender my CP fills right back up

sry i know noob

[past pike]

apex talents

[woeful egret]

shadow techniques

[haughty sedge]

apex talent, ancient arts

[short radish]

playing any class that isn't priest after playing rogue is basically playing a while different game

[woeful egret]

it's funny, I switched to rogue from feral because I was tired of being neglected....yet here we are

[finite lynx]

ty

[woeful egret]

what class should I ruin next?

[short radish]

[lucid jackal]

U shud play stuff cuz its fun :3

[shadow snow]

mage or balance druid

[woeful egret]

this was way back in mop

[earnest crane]

Bro just go for mages

[woeful egret]

I actually don't like outlaw and new sin feels clunky to me. My poor fav class is going through it

[soft summit]

There is a reason why rogues are one of the lowest played classes in the game

[drifting ether]

Not too bad from 97.9 to 103.6 st with new talents and gear in hand

[shrewd lantern]

because it sucks at leveling

and solo content

[short radish]

eh i dont think solo content its that bad anymore

[woeful egret]

nah, I do quite well questing and solo content. I did ?? naut first week as sub easier than I did with my druid and monk

[shrewd lantern]

when the solo content isnt delves

[short radish]

what solo content is there that isnt delves

[shrewd lantern]

im just saying in general

[kind edge]

https://tenor.com/view/stares-in-wtf-wtf-wtf-meme-wtf-gif-fox-news-gif-7522361706442941443

[woeful egret]

I dunno, sub burst usually carries me

[quaint breach]

m+ 🥲

[shrewd lantern]

average casual does questing

[restive stream]

How much time i need wait between using sb and banner?

[lucid jackal]

Why would that be, if that was the case back in wrath?

Or cata

Or mop?

[short radish]

another weird hill for me to die on but sub is acutally a really good levelling spec

[woeful egret]

I agree'

[shrewd lantern]

ehh only worse melee

[short radish]

at least going from one expac to another

[woeful egret]

you just burst everything down

[shrewd lantern]

is enhance

[vast echo]

1s

[restive stream]

so im using sb with pot and then after 1s banner

[woeful egret]

now, back when dance was a 1 minute cooldown it was a little different, but in today's wow the cd is nothing

[vast echo]

If by banner you mean guidon, it's other way around

Guidon, wait 1s, use SB pot dance sectec

[restive stream]

Thx

[short radish]

i have a theory (that i'm not gonna die on a hill for) but rogue is a very anti zoomer class despite outlaw existing

because of how much downtime that exists in rotation (because of how energy works)

[woeful egret]

no longer an issue, just guidon with first SS and you'll have plenty of time before your next sectech

[shrewd lantern]

irony is when you look at the pvp playerbase

[woeful egret]

I never run out of energy as sub, I forget it's a thing

[shrewd lantern]

and how many r1 rogues have been like

14-16

[short radish]

yeah like i said an opinion i'm not going to die on a hill for

but pvpers are a whole different breed

[vast echo]

Nahj has been saying sub is cooked since xpack started

[short radish]

they are acutally not humans

[shrewd lantern]

pika got his first at 12 or 13

or sum shit

[woeful egret]

yeah, I never got very good as sub in arena. Only hit 2.2, did much better as feral/ww monk

[dreamy wedge]

You like waiting between each mob for your dance to be up so you can do something?

[shrewd lantern]

very funny to watch his old mop vods

[short radish]

i mean it's up often enough

[shrewd lantern]

and listen to his voice not drpped yet

[short radish]

shadowstrike teleport to mobs is also very underrated

[shrewd lantern]

most op rogue for leveling

was outlaw with mfd

and not even close

[short radish]

that's also a peak example of what i meant with "rogue not a good zoomer spec" even though i have no idea if youre a zoomer or not

like compare that shit to ele

where you can kill a bunch of mobs once every 2 minutes

and then yeah wooooo spam lightning bolt

[woeful egret]

I remember SS teleport eveis, mfd, evis, restealth as sub

[dry flame]

That was also a time with old heirloooms - where could play arcane mage and only arcane barrage that 1 shots 90% of mobs

[short radish]

yeah. rogue feels the most rogue like while levelling

[shrewd lantern]

nah i used to onehit shit as outlaw in leveling

then i'd gunshoes on cd

[brisk onyx]

It’s my favorite

[shrewd lantern]

peak bfa zooming

[brisk onyx]

[woeful egret]

but free step with ss from stealth was great

[tribal blade]

i'm on stormrage

[short radish]

bro doing a fly by. pressing stealth while mounted and then ss behind the target

[shrewd lantern]

biggest distraction while leveling

is ganking horde players

[short radish]

i'll never get tired of that

it's shit like that which still keeps me playing rogue

[tribal blade]

CLOUD COVER WITH SHIT TANKS MADE ME DO THIS

[short radish]

gotta start the gaslamping

[tribal blade]

actually

i'm gonna make a macro

[woeful egret]

any melee with shit tanks is a nightmare, that is the single biggest reason I go back to brew tanking

[dry flame]

I just wish Assa wasnt as squishy

[tribal blade]

/y IN CDS DON'T MOVE

[tribal blade]

yeah, also the ST feels like ass

[short radish]

SL nightfae hunters all over again

[tribal blade]

even worse /cry

[sharp seal]

blink twice if you were forced to do this... 😁

[woeful egret]

my favorite, is big pull in AA with LUST, cds, POT, green circles, tank splits dps on that shit

[dry flame]

Really? It feels pretty OK in 16s or higher

[edgy imp]

how should i use puzzle box and embral feather ???

[tribal blade]

yeah it feels ok

[shrewd lantern]

you dont

[tribal blade]

just not super turbo juiced like sub

[woeful egret]

ok for box do this

[kind edge]

servers are up

[dry flame]

Yeah but sub falls so hard, I stopped playing it in higher that 14/15

[kind edge]

gl on vaults

[woeful egret]

SS....backstab....wait....backstab....wait.....backstab....wait.....backstab.....cast 2 second box.....the do your thing

[dry flame]

Maybe good with reset now

[tribal blade]

the ST always feels good

[shrewd lantern]

i mean in keys

[tribal blade]

but the aoe does fall off yeah

[shrewd lantern]

it doesnt matter

storm to build

[vast echo]

Begging blizz fix premed bug

[shrewd lantern]

its existed for multiple patches

gl

[woeful egret]

maybe they fix next xpac. anyone else notice stealth no longer has a sound effect?

[errant hearth]

do yall sac spenders to use ST on supercharger points?

[shrewd lantern]

....what

its your first finisher

[errant hearth]

on second rotation with guidon

[shrewd lantern]

it happens natty during lust

[woeful egret]

yes, personally I do SS at full combo points to proc apex talent. I heard there are conditions for it to be optimal and less optimal but I don't care

[sharp seal]

EU up

[vale osprey]

Post EU vaults gogo

[woeful egret]

oh, to top it off I picked 6 tokens for my vault today on rogue

[safe kindle]

at least u can exchange them for bonus rolls

[shrewd lantern]

windrunner spire legs

[graceful rock]

is there any way to see what your sec tech cd is with lust?

[woeful egret]

I barely got 8 runs last week, I think I'm over it

[edgy imp]

how should i macro emberwing feather ?

[serene tapir]

You’ll use it as a 3 min trinket

[vale osprey]

#showtooltip Emberwing Feather
/use Emberwing Feather
/yell GIVE ME GUIDON

[edgy imp]

i have puzzle box too

[short radish]

you should use a pbox instead

[edgy imp]

i have both can i not use both ?

[short radish]

just because you can

does not mean you should

i can eat 6 packets of mi goreng in one sitting

[woeful egret]

oh yeah

[short radish]

but im not going to do that

[edgy imp]

puzzlebox + embral feather /use SHadow Dance
/use SHadow Blades
/use Light's Potential
/use Secret Technique ???

[woeful egret]

that's a good vault

[short radish]

damn are your lobsters too buttery and steaks too juicy as well?

[woeful egret]

must be AI

[sharp seal]

we got a Gaze Parade in guild, 5 myth gazes in vaults

[dry flame]

Let me login, watch me use Crucible trinket for another month

[restive stream]

Gz

[woeful egret]

my gaze is normal, I feel slighted

[dry flame]

[coral bear]

Probably ring

trinket not bad

but not bis

ommission of light kinda cool, but vault is cringe, cause u might use ur reroll there and get it again

If u roll for nexus

[dry flame]

probably not picking everything until i run Myth Chimmy with bonus rolls

[errant hearth]

myth puzzle box or myth cloak? idk what trinkets to use puzzlebox with?

[distant sage]

guys can someone tell me whats this about backstabbing a lot im mad confused

[lucid jackal]

No premed

[coral bear]

Got my 2 babies right there

[upbeat sorrel]

you dont have premed so when you open

[lucid jackal]

Do strike vanish strike backstab until max

[upbeat sorrel]

you have like 2 CP

[coral bear]

Just remove Ephemeral Bond

[olive canyon]

EU servers up already?

[coral bear]

[distant sage]

ye

[distant sage]

i didnt know we dropped it for that

[coral bear]

Well thats what I did

idk what the sims are

[lucid jackal]

Premed is like half a percent DPS loss

[olive canyon]

anyone raid last night - how was cloud cover for outlaw/sub?

[coral bear]

Mine was amazing

I just delay my burst

by 1s

so i can place my smoke

proprely

[olive canyon]

myth guidon in valut - we finally did it lads.

[coral bear]

ex : chimeras

[outer orchid]

not a fan of blades costing 30 energy because of a bug

if blades didn't cost 30 energy i would be much happier

[distant sage]

ye i didnt think it was a big loss bit its kinda a pain in the ass no(for st openers)

[plush roost]

Not having premed makes lura timers so cringe

[olive canyon]

damn

[dusky yacht]

I oofed, but I can actually get these boots and upgrade them to "set" with catalyst now that stat prio has changed a li'l bit

[lucid jackal]

Like not actually tho

[outer orchid]

i like the extra burst but having to wait until i'm 60 energy or more just to enter dps window feels bad

[lusty swan]

are the updated wowhead M+ talents what i should be taking for sub or is there some hidden sauce lmao

[olive canyon]

that does feel bad, what is the bug? seems an odd one

[short radish]

yeah gotta sub to my patreon for the secret talents

[plush roost]

I only had like 45 minutes maybe its a hold dance for 10 seconds type shit

[lucid jackal]

Like Ur timings on the crystals are a bit chopped but the actual CD timers are kinda synced back to normal after intermission

[short radish]

also

wowhead might not be updated

[plush roost]

Yeah that part

[quaint breach]

so close to mythic gaze, puzzle will have to do

[vale osprey]

So no pre-med is 0.5% but saves me from rope...hmmm

[blissful ivy]

They really can't do anything right

[uncut juniper]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[brisk onyx]

KEEP YOUR QOL

[uncut juniper]

!premeditation

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[outer orchid]

:)

[prisma ibex]

that's insane

lol

[outer orchid]

i didnt see the pins before going into raid and i was wondering why tf my ST wasn't going off with 30 energy

had to adjust

[upbeat sorrel]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[olive canyon]

Damn i doubt theyll fix this any time soon

[hushed roost]

ngl assa feels a lot better right now

with all these moron bugs

[vale osprey]

Assa will never feel better with the apex

[outer orchid]

only got into raid after trying to have the unstuck character website load because i was falling out of the map for 20 minutes in an infinite dc loop after my recrafts getting stuck in purgatory with none of my guildies able to even open the crafting bench without also crashing and getting stuck in an infinite dc loop
i was forced to pug m chim and almost missed out on some M reclear because i was late an hour from that

[hushed roost]

whats wrong with implacable?

[vale osprey]

Just feels super cringe to me

[outer orchid]

i love 0.5 patches :)

[hushed roost]

i actually really like pooling

[brisk onyx]

How about pick premed but marco dance+cancelaura it, at least we don’t need stab to 7cp and can vanish+ss

[uncut juniper]

How do I reroll heroic loot into mythic?

[vale osprey]

Change game code I think

[uncut juniper]

Guess I read false info somewhere

[blissful ivy]

Trolling?

[hushed roost]

definitely not

[eternal abyss]

Feelsbadman 😢

[dense geode]

Tbh I don’t either 😭

[young apex]

Pooling is maybe one of the worst feature to ever exist

[hushed roost]

sounds like an opinion

[dense geode]

Pooling feels kinda good atleast for sub cause you know you’re gonna go nuclear

[coral hemlock]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hushed roost]

you pooled for sub too last patch lol

[dense geode]

Last patch no

[hushed roost]

err tier

sorry

[dense geode]

And rn only cause bug

[hushed roost]

wahtever the fuck

[short radish]

really fucking good patch btw

[dense geode]

I don’t recall ever pooling during mana forge

[plush roost]

QnA more like MIA

[prisma ibex]

same here, and i even got this oozi shit from bonus roll chima

sad

[fallow ingot]

Guys de we still need haste breaking point or not ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vGNtyoY2JPS3sx4VvndFEr with this build i'm at 600 ish haste

[olive canyon]

get 100 more haste

[fallow ingot]

Thats not the question

[prisma ibex]

you are not a robot

[cosmic dust]

Yeah I think still 700

[fallow ingot]

i lost my haste cap but sim higher

[cosmic dust]

Because we are humans

[past pike]

its for human error

[short radish]

yes but it is the answer

[restive lynx]

can't complain, can move farstriders to offhand

[vale pine]

30 energy shadowblades

[dusky yacht]

Not too bad I guess, I'll take this over half the raid roll

[short radish]

how long you reckon it will take for them to fix this?

1. Midweek patch
2. Next week patch
3. 0.7 patch

[restive lynx]

just watched a streamer sim sub vs outlaw and outlaw was 100k ahead (8 targets)

[fossil forge]

@warm marlin still trinket prison?

[prisma ibex]

season 2

[vale pine]

no idea

[keen dome]

Gazes for all, i hope?

[plush roost]

30 energy sblades vs sblades on the gcd

[hushed roost]

no way this shit is getting fixed

[warm marlin]

my bonus roll hit gaze

we are so back

[plush roost]

Battle of jank

[hushed roost]

if sblades went on the gcd though id just delete my char and go play my udk

lol

[keen dome]

lmao at that bug

[prisma ibex]

intended

[fossil forge]

Fk u

[warm marlin]

wtf?

[fossil forge]

Im the only homeless person standing

[karmic harbor]

anyone rerolling outlaw?

[tulip badger]

Those 30 energy are the same cost of distract... damm baking spells inside others

[quaint breach]

sim busted? myth wep simming low than current hc wep. But in dungeon slice its higher

[short radish]

same brotherman

[plush roost]

U must not have played bfa

[short radish]

wait do you have guidon?

[fossil forge]

Nvm sry fimbul is with me

Noway ur that homeless right

?

[short radish]

well

[sharp seal]

jees, no premed is awful 😁

[short radish]

i have M gaze but 0 guidon

[fossil forge]

[azure thicket]

should i trust this sim/10 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9ohKLChWuKUg2TUGCJo2Mc

[short radish]

im not sure if that's worse than 0 gaze and 1 guidon

[azure thicket]

just asking for a friend

[brisk onyx]

Feature

[keen dome]

I'm going to open my vault.

It's going to have gaze

[fossil forge]

Surely we can bonus roll it like bingus @short radish

[short radish]

[olive canyon]

60 energy pool ion opener is a true kick in the balls

[short radish]

just bingus roll it

[olive canyon]

has anyone messed around with guidon in M+ over puzzlebox? hows it feel

[keen dome]

We can't have a nice thing without it being bugged, too, I guess lmao.

[keen dome]

I play better with guidon

[warm marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/penepixula-gif-21050526

[prisma ibex]

my sim are telling me to use guidon, but had no time to test it

[olive canyon]

i got a myth guidon so now im wondering i just stick with it

[fossil forge]

Tis the law neck angle

[vale pine]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bonus-rolls-reportedly-giving-duplicate-items-from-mythic-dungeons-381332?utm_source=discord-webhook

[fossil forge]

Im permabenched 0 loot

[vale pine]

[fossil forge]

astrohomeless

[brisk onyx]

[plush roost]

Say thank you

To thr NA beta testers

[warm marlin]

this is a bonus rol langle bub

[brisk onyx]

and recraft bug again

[fossil forge]

Ion have a chest so ill catalyze that most likely

[vale pine]

because, why not

[violet palm]

Do I need to supercharge 2nd sec tech in blades or is it ok to just send on cd During dance?

[plush roost]

Wait recraft bug is back

[warm marlin]

only for noobs

[plush roost]

Ig i got lucky with my dagger today

[warm marlin]

good players dont get the bug

[plush roost]

Self made BS

[keen dome]

So for ST it's just finality -> rotten? And then for AoE and ST it's warning signs -> planned, and we drop premed, ye?

[olive canyon]

i just want nice things

[warm marlin]

unironically you want to pool during opener

if you spam bs you will have to cast 1 more

[plush roost]

Ye

[warm marlin]

let energy build until sht procs

just dont let it overcap

[keen steppe]

That cloud talent is it good for raid and m+ ?

[plush roost]

No lust opener

Is actual pain tho

[warm marlin]

ye we did that all of beloren today

its max 2 bs

[olive canyon]

I need to find a log of that from last night, link above was first boss

[velvet jay]

Is it not a thing to open with Shadow Strike > Vanish > Shadow Strike?

[short radish]

i have to do the ball soaks on birb which honestly lines up quite well now

[plush roost]

Strike pool backstab pool backstab pook

[keen dome]

losing premed is going to make me very sad

[short radish]

press strike -> deplete energy -> go soak balls and then come back do burst

[dense geode]

Wasn’t it said it was only a 100 dps diff premed or nomed

[keen dome]

okay, okay okay okay. We're not shit!

[pseudo fiber]

so guys, if we use Blades, SD and ST together and according to the bug, we need 60 energy to get smoke screen, right?

[short radish]

old news lil bud. you're 6 hours out of date

should have been paying attention

big L

[olive canyon]

bro i got the same trinket in my vault, first one in weeks that wasnt cursed

[dense geode]

Your right man why aren’t I on 24/7

[keen dome]

high5 buddy

[dense geode]

[short radish]

exactly. honestly this is all on you

[dense geode]

So what is it now?

[short radish]

uhhh

probably like .4% dps loss

[karmic harbor]

Has it ever been more over?

[keen dome]

this does mean I need to go farm chim today urgh

[dense geode]

I might take the L for QOL

[short radish]

but either way you should sim yourself

for me it's neutral since my stats are wack and i dont have guidon

[keen dome]

I kinda wanna take Premed because of comfy but alsO i get why we're dropping it, since we want to apex the clones on big shadowstrikes..

[foggy estuary]

amazing, the spec is now clunky af in the opener

[velvet jay]

The pins say we are stabbing till 7 cp, but is shadow strike > vanish > Shadowstrike > stabbing not a thing?

[empty bobcat]

got Guidon on my DH and crap on my rogue lol

[rotund hedge]

are we not taking premed cause of a bug or whats the reason?

[empty bobcat]

but bursting with 1M at 255 ilvl lol what is life

[uncut juniper]

!premeditation

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[keen dome]

Am I right that we need to do the final voidcore quest for decimus to get the first bonus rolls?

[eternal abyss]

We almost had same vault...2 items difference, others were same. sadness man.

[olive canyon]

damn i guess there is no world in which tea might have been better

[short radish]

i honestly would have taken a heroic guidon

or even a pbox

how the fuck i get a feather man

[safe kindle]

i dont get it, i havent killed salhadaar this week yet i got shit from him. so if i killed any of the myth bosses once it can always roll? im confused af

[tight roost]

Do we play Puzzle Box still in M+ ? or do i take Weapon

[tribal blade]

it sims neutral

just keep it

[steady dune]

At what target count does the AOE build become better than the ST? In cleave situations like pallys or dragons, should we be doing AOE?

[keen dome]

👀

[dusky yacht]

Wait recrafting bug is back?

[short radish]

yes

[short radish]

yes

[olive canyon]

wait really

fuck that may just go back to premed then

[short radish]

not neutral

[keen dome]

Prophet wouldn't lie to me.

[short radish]

it is a bit gear depdenent

[keen dome]

I've already put it back

I imagine it's crit dependent?

[tribal blade]

oh is it? i see

well neutral for me i should say

[short radish]

neutral for me since minus 0.3% for bug

but guy was already simming same same, so he needs to subtract another 0.3%

[olive canyon]

let me check

[short radish]

but honestly

[olive canyon]

what are we dropping for premed?

[keen dome]

I'm going to be a rogue and keep premed

[short radish]

i think the 5 seconds extra it takes for you to send your burst

[tribal blade]

also PE and warning signs are neutral

[short radish]

is not worth it

kill timers are so much more important these dayus

and every second counts

[spiral needle]

nice of them to give AoE blind back during CC M+ week

[tribal blade]

i barely got my last set of blades off on dragons today

and it'll keep getting tighter week by week

[robust dust]

For this raid. What is the best sim setting for This Tier? I want to Look if I should recraft to crit haste

[olive canyon]

is it just switch ephemeral to premed?

[keen dome]

Yes

[vale pine]

nice

[hallow mortar]

im bracer owner now

[short radish]

yeah but it still doesn't work properly

wwell it does work properly

but it doesnt work for the adds

[spiral needle]

whats it doing wrong, didn't notice any issues the few times I used

[short radish]

if you are ccing the add

[final copper]

still missing gaze and LCG, I just send puzzlebox I guess

[keen dome]

You can't CC the orbs, as it will kill it instantly

So you have to CC the enemy NEAR the orb to apply it on AoE to orbs

[short radish]

this week is the 10 orbs that spawn right?

[finite lynx]

in M+ when shadow blades is off CD with everything up and puzzle box is on CD do i hold? or just wait to line puzzle box up with the next shadow blades? or just send puzzle box in 30s with the next dance?

[short radish]

if you blind a mob it will apply the blind before the aoe goes off

[zenith mirage]

anyone elses unseen blade tracker bugging out w the new patch or

[short radish]

and because the blind has been applied, it can't apply the aoe

since the mob doesnt exist

[olive canyon]

sims showing as a 500dps difference

anyone know what the math is on the bug? how much is rough percentage can it cost

[short radish]

0.3%

[hallow mortar]

so taking premed is dps loss for me

is it just 0.3

or is there somehting more hidden behind

[meager coyote]

soo

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[olive canyon]

that is then neutral for you

[meager coyote]

is this up to date?

the trinket sim is expired

[summer mason]

These are the estimates for the changes in the new patch: ST is in first place and AoE in second, with 13% for Outlaw and 6% for Subtlety. What do you think? Has the meta changed?

[hallow mortar]

so the premed stuff is already in sim?

[keen dome]

Sure, maybe. Let's find out. Could be.

[vale pine]

raid row is shit, what do we take

[short radish]

no the meta is still going to be UHDK, DevDH and Aug

[opal basalt]

+1 br

[keen dome]

pants?

or bonus roll, yeah

[vale pine]

ye

either

[lyric thorn]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[outer orchid]

is it normal for my sim now to want guidon for m+ or is that just because of my new stat allocation

[vale pine]

neither of the trinkets is good

so its legs or ... bonus roll

[azure ember]

surely we dont play outlaw in raid right guys xd

[vale osprey]

Potentially for Lu'ra

[vale pine]

why not

[karmic harbor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?class=Rogue

[mighty citrus]

how do i handle the haste thing in sims? it wants to go down to620 and i shall reach 700. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cH5WcdobFZ88yy9Qfqy442

[zenith mirage]

never legs buy the boe

[vale pine]

outlaw isn't bad

[vale pine]

XD

[meager coyote]

probably another br

[karmic harbor]

outlaw top logs on first 4 bosses rn

[keen dome]

nice

outlaw season, let's go

[karmic harbor]

very annoyed im up at 7am and cant even use rolls in m+ because the system is bricked

[vale pine]

think i take pants

then bonus roll in skyreach

[opal basalt]

we're so back (i got blades in salhadaar normal dmg amp)

[vale pine]

unsure if i should wait for the bonus roll stuff to be fixed, don't want to get 2x bad rolls

[keen dome]

ye I would

Because we don't know if it's going to count it properly

[plush roost]

And i coulda got more if it werent for bad gear!

[karmic harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/angie-the-angelfish-bet-it-all-gambling-shark-tale-2004-gif-13374749401443410513

[keen dome]

Since I assume that's the issue with it giving duplicates, it's not actually registering the items

[vale osprey]

So a 12 and a 13 count as diff roll tables

[keen dome]

Quite possible

[vale pine]

ohh

hmm

[keen dome]

I'm just gonna slam it into chim later today and get a Gaze

[vale pine]

interessting

[short radish]

its not

well not entirely

know someone who ran 2x 10s and got the same ring

[keen dome]

ye, just wait utnil it's fixed then

Hopefully they will fix it and shaodw blades with equal urgency

[vale osprey]

Good to know I will delete my misinformation

[short radish]

👍

[keen dome]

it was a good speculation though, it made sense.

[earnest crane]

guys how can i prevent using back stap when i press dance

[short radish]

separate key bind

[vale pine]

hard to say without gear, but:

• Boots can be catalyzed (tho they are heroic it seems)
• rings are good
• tier set is good if you don't have mythic

[tulip light]

What’s bugged about blades?

[oak fox]

Hi, i'm kinda new in the rogue meta, i was playing sub until now but loved outlaw gameplay too, with the new patch out which spec is better now for raid and M+ ?

[restive lynx]

trying to decide between shoulders and skyreach dagger... should be obvious choice but with the outlaw buff I'm not sure

[vale pine]

so likely rings (one of them)

[keen dome]

It costs 30 energy atm lmao

Because Distract, which cloud cover used to use, costs 30 energy.

[vale pine]

both are excellent choices, so go with what you want to test out

[graceful rock]

gamba'd my gaze after chimerus reclear

was pretty peak

[opal basalt]

fuck having to play killing spree

but outlaw damage buffs look huge

[celest night]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[restive lynx]

I really also wish they fix the bug of not being able to roll for higher upgrade track same item if you're 6/6 on lower one