subtlety

[shrewd lantern]

for a bigger strike between dances

[dense coyote]

wtfff

[gilded ferry]

Idk, i feel like im proccing Apex less than before

[shrewd lantern]

you need 30 energy because the game tries to cast distract

[nocturne tendon]

old cloud cover was tied to Distract and blizz may have forgotten a little something when they reworked it

[rain swift]

so with this being the case, i backstab to 7 combo points, then i wait to 30 combo points to then pop CDs?

[frigid dragon]

So the raid cleave spec is the same as M+ now?

[spiral needle]

time to hotfix distract to cost 0 energy...why does it even cost 30 energy

[small sleet]

no u have to wait to 60 energy

so you can cast sectech too

[harsh gale]

i went outlawl too. its bis

[frigid dragon]

Like we don't want to do the AOE/M+ build with rotten for a raid fight?

[rain swift]

this is so cursed

[torpid echo]

regarding the slight changes in talent builds:
Pure ST, we replace finality for rotten.
M+, we replace the extended SD duration talent for finality

But how about a Cleave fight like Imperator, Dragons, Paladins and Chimaerus? Do we just use M+ build or we keep rotten, weapon master and no finality?

[rain swift]

u wait like 7 sec into the fight or more to do anything?

[small sleet]

🙂

[spiral needle]

get to ramp on opener just like sin, good times

[hard shard]

Goin pred for sure

[harsh gale]

but the -100 damage!!!

[nocturne tendon]

pooling is so back 🥵

[lucid jackal]

Lura damage rn

Shadowstrike is BACK

[spiral needle]

i wonder how much of that damage you get back vanishing during sblades instead of opener

[sullen hare]

there was one dance I did where I chugged three straight shadowstrikes to proc the apex. that's obviously unsustainable

[alpine wraith]

funnily enough this seems almost like WoD dmg profile

[brisk onyx]

just pick premed

[small sleet]

those average casts of blades are thick holy

so back

[alpine wraith]

if only our burst was 3 times higher and we only had 1 dance

but still

big burster comes home kinda

[wintry heart]

Is the AH broke for anyone else

[sullen hare]

everything's fucked right now

[small sleet]

yea

[sullen hare]

/INSPECT OF ALL THINGS IS BROKEN

[placid blade]

does the haste on mythic guidon vs heroic guidon hit another breakpoint or should i roll on chimaeris instead?

[kind edge]

you take the points from weaponmaster and the rotten and put into PP and finality

[lucid jackal]

[alpine wraith]

you only force apex for supercharged cps remember

and ideally you enter dance+blades with 3-4 sht and sec tech ready

so if you need 3 strikes something is afoot

[sullen hare]

I closed and reopened my client completely

[alpine wraith]

unless it is on opener then unlucky

[torpid echo]

LOL Oxi.
So it's the same as the m+ build?

[sullen hare]

hopefully it was just some weird bug

[kind edge]

kinda

[alpine wraith]

now shaman buff is stronger kinda

if you dont run warning signs

sht economy might be krangled if you dont keep it well

well time to sleep

[sullen hare]

that group had no shaman

trust me it was krangled as fuck

[alpine wraith]

skill expression in my whack a mole game?

[brisk onyx]

idk my simc tell me hold warning and premed

[strange chasm]

is ROG BACK

[alpine wraith]

depends on crit and mastery situation

the more you have of both

[sullen hare]

sub's in the dumpster tanner

[alpine wraith]

the less chance premed+warning is good

[acoustic ginkgo]

whats st 2

[sullen hare]

blizzard actively stuffing the pillow onto sub rogue and grabbing the pistol next

[rain swift]

just checked wowhead, how long has belo'ren's swift talon been BIS main hand? wasnt it hungering victory just recently? i get it tho bcuz crit over vers

[brisk onyx]

cloud

[sullen hare]

I can't believe that for just a minute

[left ledge]

...

[sullen hare]

not even a full patch, we didn't need a shaman in the raid to not feel like deep fried dogshit

[hazy lichen]

Is seat the best dungeon to use the tokens on

[brisk onyx]

I'm thinking maybe it's because I haven't improved my crit yet, but I have to go to work now xd

[obtuse orbit]

Anyone raid yet today? Doing first 3 + chim on myth wondering which talent setup yall used . Sorry busy work day just getting home and reading all the updated stuff

[gilded ferry]

Are we showing UP on details now??

[lucid jackal]

on lura? fuck no, crystals still exist

But Im doing good lura damage

[swift tinsel]

lol

[stuck vale]

Anyone have a situation where cloud cover doesnt proc? I have it talented but I think if you get cc'd right after pressing shadow blades it doesnt happen

[umbral fulcrum]

you didnt have energy

its a bug

[sullen hare]

[gilded ferry]

[dense coyote]

so we backstab up to 7 cp and then wait until we have 30 energy and then ... bust ?

[brisk onyx]

guess how long this bug will last

[sullen hare]

yep. that's about the long and short of it

[stuck vale]

mb ty 🙂

[sullen hare]

see you next april 30th of never

[kind edge]

60 energy with the new bug

[pure jay]

or just take premed anyway because it's like only a 200 dps loss

[plush pilot]

only 200? im taking premed lol

[wanton mantle]

u dont know if that sim is correct tho

[manic ice]

i feel like ive lost like 30kdps on the patch lol

[dense coyote]

omg how do we do damage

[serene notch]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[dense coyote]

what do we swap out for premed ?

[solemn sonnet]

ephemeral bond

[eager latch]

is warning signs better than planned execution

in pure ST

[brisk onyx]

just sim

everyone's situation may vary

[short radish]

is the premed bug accounted for in the sims?

[eager latch]

planned execution better for me

[brisk onyx]

depends on your crit

[pseudo fiber]

how long was NA downtime?

[swift tinsel]

8 hours

[pseudo fiber]

fml

[half comet]

check

my poor no dust role

its gone

[empty anchor]

did i hear that rouges have smoke bomb in pve now?

[sullen hare]

yes

also the rotation is mega doodoo utter dogshit if you don't have a shaman in the raid / party

[tribal blade]

i'm doing less dmg in keys with cloud cover than before

because tanks perma moving out of it

all the time

also having to hold blades if i know a move is coming up

[sullen hare]

that's also a problem

[short radish]

i said

you need to gaslamp the community

into thinking smoke bomb is a defensive

[clear hazel]

I gained more damage

[tribal blade]

lol actually

since others can see it

[short radish]

yes

[tribal blade]

tell them not to move packs while it's down

[short radish]

we have once in a life time opportunity here

[sullen hare]

it's technically a DR (for you)

[short radish]

to massively gaslamp the community

this is more important than any "rogue need restealth" bullshit

[rain swift]

but even if premed is bugged, wouldnt it still end up with more dps in the end? since u might be able to fit another dance / blades by chance since ur wasting a lot of time building combo points and saving up energy in the initial pull of the fight?

or am i completely lost

[potent nimbus]

building to 7 on pull then pressing my cds to NOT get my smokebomb so far in raid has been very, fun

[rain swift]

need 60 energy

[potent nimbus]

ok thats what i was guessing cause evena t 50 energy

it would work

so its counting for secret tech/shadowblades bug

[steel horizon]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[acoustic lodge]

Hey quick question, the tool tip for cloud cover states two stacks yet the guide says 3?

[pure cloud]

“Stand in cloud, you’ll take less damage” (because I will kill them faster)

[lucid jackal]

2 additional

[nocturne tendon]

tooltip says "2 additional times" so 1+2

[lucid jackal]

2 + 1 = 3

[acoustic lodge]

man they gotta do better

[nocturne tendon]

i think janky tooltips are the least of our concerns rn

[chilly tree]

is there a macro that auto directs TotT to the tank?

[pure cloud]

7 backstabs then pool energy

[stray talon]

Any confirmation if you can buy a third bonus roll with vault currency to bypass seasonal cap?

[tired heart]

There's an addon for that.

[chilly tree]

name?

[acoustic lodge]

hahaha more bugs with the patch?

[dusty totem]

What are the things we can stack prepull in raid atm?

[marble oriole]

yes u can after u do the quests

[rain swift]

small indie company btw

[tired heart]

TankMD Misdirect

[tribal blade]

lol outlaw is gonna have a way worse time with cloud cover than us

[chilly tree]

thank you, i used to have a WA/macro that did it, and obviously thats not a thing anymore

[leaden prairie]

can grapple back in it tho

[tribal blade]

true

[west tide]

dude the st opener without premed feels so bad

like negative energy

[tribal blade]

i feel like the cloud should be on your char

that would be dope

[sonic quail]

im keeping it idec

[lucid jackal]

Bro try reading the tooltip

[dusty totem]

Can we still stack rotten and supercharger prepull?

In raid that is

[steel wyvern]

stack this

prepull

[rustic raven]

how much dps loss is taking premed

[pure cloud]

Not a lot

[rain swift]

someone said -100 earlier

[lucid jackal]

like 140

[rustic raven]

im taking premed

[harsh gale]

is outlawl really #1

[rain swift]

still looking for a reply to this about that topic tho

[swift tinsel]

premed only really affects the opener since you can pool for literally every other dance after it

[ionic mist]

Is anyone getting an extra CD of like 2 sec on their second dance in blades?

its driving me nuts

[half comet]

if i make an alt in 4 weeks will i retroactively have like 10 of the voidcore things

or do you have to do something for it

weekyl

[swift tinsel]

and in keys you just carry over some cp/sht from pull to pull

after like 3 pulls of playing around no premed its really not that bad

[rain swift]

still somewhat new to rogue, what does sht stand for?

[molten citrus]

Shadow techniques

[swift tinsel]

our passive combo point storing stacks

[rain swift]

aah

ty

[swift tinsel]

np np

[short radish]

i hate shadow techniques being abbreviated to sht. I know why it is but i keep just reading it as shit because im dyslexic or something

[swift tinsel]

they're pretty much the engine behind our resource economy

[swift tinsel]

tbh that's how I read it in my head lmao

[rain swift]

i was thinking secret tech, but also was like why would the h be in between, so i noticed i was missing something

[pure cloud]

What would I drop to keep premed?

[solemn sonnet]

ephemeral bond

[swift tinsel]

yeah we usually abbrv Secret Technique as sectech

or some folks do ST

but that can be conflated with single target

[rain swift]

yeah seen this

[steel wyvern]

who is the sim guy for sub

i wonder if the sim is holding cps to guarantee sectech supercharge

with apex

[short radish]

sub rogue in particular is horrendous for spell names abbreviations

For the opener you should always cast SS on the boss. You don't need to press SS since SS will already teleport you behind. If there are 3 or more targets (2 with PP) you should cast SS over SS.

[lucid jackal]

Rotten yes

It has a duration though

[alpine fossil]

pretty sure that's addressed in Ancient Arts logic

[steel wyvern]

no premed feels so much better

[eager latch]

WHAT

[runic sequoia]

idkkkkkk

[steel wyvern]

actually getting the apex proc

[eager latch]

premed feels awesome

[iron obsidian]

can i get the weed you smokin

[steel wyvern]

from my sectech

[weak glade]

THATS A CRAZY take

[eager latch]

imagine having premed + apex

[steel wyvern]

premed bugging out apex every single dance has been one of my biggest issues with the spec

to the point where i just hate premed

[steel wyvern]

where is that

[short radish]

30 second duration right? so 25 sec pull timers now?

[tribal blade]

@short radish i'm sorry buddy

[rain swift]

i havent gotten guidon yet, but is the use on it a cast like puzzlebox? or just a instant? I really dont like how puzzlebox is a cast but it sims 1k higher than guidon for me

[short radish]

i saw it earlier and im happy for you or something

[iron obsidian]

instant

[short radish]

but yeah

[tribal blade]

/dead

i feel kinda bad

[short radish]

ive resigned myself to getting the guidon in 4 weeks

once i exhaust all of the items

[tribal blade]

bonus roll tonight!

i believe

it happens

[short radish]

i don't

[tribal blade]

manifest your reality

will it into existence

[iron obsidian]

make sure you wait a second after casting guidon to make sure the haste effects your dance tho

[short radish]

i can't be disappointed anymore if i don't expect anything

[iron obsidian]

when you do end up getting a guidon

[ionic mist]

Does anyone know why i'm getting a CD on Dance that wont let me recast?

[rancid sierra]

W bonus roll boys, I felt it in my bones to let it rip

[ionic mist]

I'm tearing my hair out I can't figure this out

[lucid jackal]

yep

[short radish]

👍

[shell vector]

So with the bonus rolls say I already have a mythic puzzie box from vault, if I use a roll on algethar can I get a duplicate?

[dire ravine]

may as well go afk while waiting for 60 energy

[lucid jackal]

Correct

the bonus rolls can roll items you have

just not items you have gotten FROM bonus rolls specifically

[shell vector]

That's unfortunate

[short radish]

just a bit of a caution with bonus roll from vault

it's apparently a bit fucky wucky bugged

so don't recraft

dont take bonus rolls

just dont play the game or something

common EU W

let NA beta test everything again

[shell vector]

Why no recraft?

[warm marlin]

worked for me and my guildies

[shell vector]

lmfao what

[short radish]

this one im not as sure how true it is

[warm marlin]

not sure why it hasnt worked for some ppl

[short radish]

since its some random dude on twitch

but im not touching anything

[pure cloud]

So how’s outlaw feeling atm

[short radish]

this is #subtlety

you probably want #outlaw

[pure cloud]

I might. I wanted to ask sub rogues how outlaw feels in comparison though.

[small sleet]

our boss dam is so cracked now holy shit

[lucid jackal]

[clever garden]

so i'm operating with a hero heart of the wind rn, is it a waste of a reroll to roll on a heroic chim if im never gonna see mythic? or should i save it for some m+ dungeon

[short radish]

surely voidstorm renown trinket is better than that

[ember yarrow]

no rotation changes with this .5 update?

[clever garden]

is it bad that i never checked

[lucid jackal]

I would never bonus roll heroic

[compact spindle]

2 myth bosses down i may have treated cloud and no premed too harshly

[short radish]

well heart of wind is haste proc

[compact spindle]

give it a sec fellas

[short radish]

which is kinda whatever for sub

and voidstorm trinket is just really fucking good

for what it is

[ember yarrow]

Any rotation changes with .5 update?

[half comet]

why is my apex not working with 5 stacks

[short radish]

it's better than a lot of heroic trinkets

[rain swift]

[clever garden]

i fear i may be behind on the weekly quests

[short radish]

thats okay you only need to do it for 2 weeks anyway

it's just the first two rows

[weak glade]

i dropped bond for premed and it felt so niuce

[steel wyvern]

nah bro premed is bait

[tight fjord]

Ok the cloud cover costing energy probably explains why my macros seem to not cast everything sometimes

[steel wyvern]

fuck a premed bro!

[azure stirrup]

if I pop blades should I be gapping my second dance so that I get a second stech in blades with dance up or insta dance for additional finishers in the bomb window

[steel wyvern]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[azure stirrup]

holy

[steel wyvern]

@azure stirrup this and also in pins

[azure stirrup]

what a discord

ty ty

[steel wyvern]

TLDR: New passive haste breakpoints, still AFTER oils & flask.
:Trickster:Trickster with Guidon - Aim for ~700 haste (same as before).
:Trickster: Trickster without Guidon - Aim for ~800 haste.
Deathstalker - Aim for ~1100 haste.

[manic glen]

curious, is it not better to drop tricks for blind dont be suspicious talent and switch to blackjack too?

[chrome palm]

SOMETHING F ISHY

[steel wyvern]

the 800 haste no guidon allows for the second sectech in blades

[chrome palm]

why is blades proccing a gcd

is it casting distract

what is going on

[lucid jackal]

U could if u want to

[chrome palm]

im going insane

[lucid jackal]

But losing tricks really stinks

[warm marlin]

you have no energy little gup

[chrome palm]

._.

[warm marlin]

gotta pool to 65 before blades sectec macro

[steel wyvern]

it costed 30 energy lil gup

xddd

learn to pool

we are sin rogues now

[chrome palm]

i was pooling

ig not enough

[steel wyvern]

pool this

[warm marlin]

30 energy distract and 35 sectec

[lucid jackal]

sectec is 30 noob

[tight fjord]

Yea that bug is lame, but I did see some good numbers when I had the energy to execute the opener correctly

[charred thunder]

If I had the option, two hungering victories, or a hungering victory and a farstrider?

[steel wyvern]

sectech costs 30 energy noob

[lucid jackal]

Spec does insane dmg

[warm marlin]

wtf

[lucid jackal]

Its so back

[warm marlin]

i am

[steel wyvern]

ryldd so noob....

[warm marlin]

noob

[drifting zinc]

not running prem and 30 nrg shadow blades feels so bad

[steel wyvern]

freaking noober

freak i hate noobs

[warm marlin]

had to dodge frontal mid sentence sorry

[ivory swallow]

Dude it is just me but when leaving from stealth and hitting the first shadow strike is always awarding 2 points?

Not doing full points anymore?

WTF is that?

[civic lava]

You had premed before

[rain swift]

bro missed the talent change?

[drifting zinc]

no premed

[ivory swallow]

🙁

[civic lava]

You can always get it back at a cost ofc

[ivory swallow]

It seems that it mess up all the burst sometimes 🙁

But that is probably because I was so used to playing with it

[tight fjord]

So for my next question, once we’re in a position to use two myth daggers is it double arcanoweave lining?

[short radish]

sim yourself but hunt strong

[warm marlin]

second myth dagger sucks

[tribal blade]

they fucked sub

lol

[warm marlin]

offhand is your worst slot so you want it to be a lower ilvl embellishment

[small sleet]

ok i was worried after seeing the bug but this change feels fuckin amazing in raid

im doing insane amounts more st

[pseudo fiber]

is a bug tho, no?

[civic lava]

It was silly of us to expect a new talent withtout any bug

[lucid jackal]

Uh it can be

Double check with a Sim

[steel wyvern]

they dont fix them tho

is the one thing

[ionic mist]

Anyone have any idea what is going on here?

[finite hedge]

ShS crits crazy. Hitting over 200k

[ionic mist]

Why is Dance on an extended 3 sec CD?

[chrome palm]

@warm marlin i thin kwe

cancelaura aa again yeah

im thinking we maybe do

[fair phoenix]

btw we can get the roll bonus?

[short radish]

[steep raven]

It shows you duration not CD on cdm (when active)

[ionic mist]

Thats not whats happening

1 sec on the buff, 4 sec CD on the button

[steep raven]

and?

[ionic mist]

When have we not been able to immediately dance again after the first?

[steep raven]

You can't dance until first one ends?

[ionic mist]

like i said

first one ends in 1 sec

[vernal drum]

yes he is right

[ionic mist]

look at the tooltip, 4 sec CD

[vernal drum]

he has a delay

[steep raven]

You have 2nd charge?

[obtuse orbit]

so anyone else have cloud drop when going down if on group 1 chim?

[ionic mist]

Yes

[vernal drum]

but he has one charge of sdance alrdy

[warm marlin]

for what

[vernal drum]

weird

[obtuse orbit]

makes sense since its a diff phase but still

[warm marlin]

not putting it on sectec?

[ionic mist]

@vernal drum Gonna make me sudoku if I can't figure this out

feels impossibly bad

[lucid jackal]

Just relog or smthing

[frail bone]

Is it the wrong spell I'd for the tracked buff?

[ionic mist]

Tried relogging, reloading everything

[vernal drum]

ur spell is a macro with #showtooltip ?

or its just the spell

[ionic mist]

yah it's show tooltip

[steep raven]

Have 2 charges, press Dance>cancel it>press it again

[ionic mist]

I just figured it out

[vernal drum]

maybe its ur prepots/trinket which has a CD

[ionic mist]

If you macro Guideon with the group it looks like something weird happens with the CD

i know youre not supposed to do that but im lazy

[vernal drum]

here we go

[frail bone]

Are you even getting the haste buff for the window?

[tribal blade]

how do you send cds if you're group 1 on chim

[steep raven]

Might aswell not use it then, you're losing 50% value of it

[vernal drum]

dont think so

[ionic mist]

You get it for the second dance if you do it lazy

[vernal drum]

switch trinket

[frail bone]

Shouldn't it be covering both

[ionic mist]

It should

[vernal drum]

if u r lazy, go for feather of light from beloren + aln trinket

[steep raven]

or puzzlebox...

[vernal drum]

he dont want another button x)

[haughty heart]

For europeans, when its the reset time?

[waxen viper]

anyone else notice that their opener is not nearly as good now that we dont use premed, i use to open at like 300k and i can barley get up to 200k now because i have to build and save for the 60 energy

[ionic mist]

it's literally broken now so new button inc

forcing the issue lol

[vernal drum]

so whats the best oppening now ?? shstrike vanish shstrike ? x)

[rain kernel]

radiant plume276 is simming way higher than pbox 289...is that right?

[errant hearth]

when did crit become the best stat instead of mastery? did it just change or did i miss something?

[steep raven]

Since today

[fair phoenix]

bro this smoke using 30 on shadow blades

its annoying as fuck

[cinder swan]

mainly for single target tho i believe

[tranquil sorrel]

Cloud cover doesnt always work :))))

Love that

[gilded lodge]

if you dont have the energy for it, it wont work

[errant hearth]

so if im M+ main its still mastery? cause i got myth puzzle box in vault and i have guidon + plume and i dunno if i wanna take it

[gilded lodge]

its currently bugged

[lucid jackal]

U need at least 30 energy

and then 30 for sectec

so u need to pool to 60 energy before u do blades stuff

[cinder swan]

from what ive read yea

[steep raven]

What happens if you press distract before SB, does it still work if distract on cd? Just out of curiosity

[winged anvil]

are the recommended builds on wowhead updated for the current changes?

[wary locust]

this a buff to sub?

[tranquil sorrel]

that's awful

[lucid jackal]

Huge

[errant hearth]

where are u reading this from? like other people doing parses or like forums? just curious so i can read too

[lucid jackal]

U kinda already did that before

[strange chasm]

Surely just taking pre med isn't much of a loss

[lucid jackal]

Just, you have to on purpose now

[lucid jackal]

Like 140 for me with a guidon setup

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9fCtzfNHZ8w6XDVKVvjskz

[cinder swan]

i think wowhead breaks it down

[spice matrix]

smoke cloud is visibly obnoxious

[strange chasm]

Yeah lmao fuck that I'm taking premed to not have a cursed opener

[short radish]

@warm marlin do you know if the premed bug is accounted for in the sims?

[steep raven]

I don't think we know yet whether sim simulates the bug with premed, so it might be a bigger difference

[gilded thistle]

thank god I'm wearing 5 crafted pieces right now, was so easy to transfer mastery to crit

[steep raven]

Did you recraft?

[gilded thistle]

ye

till i can get some bis pieces at least

just took bifrucation band from vault last week, only for it to no longer be bis this week

[rain swift]

and i took purloined kekw

last week

[gilded thistle]

damn lol

[south pelican]

why does my blades cost 30 energy now

[short radish]

[gilded thistle]

wait thats cursed as fuck

[small sleet]

failed my first bonus roll for gaze gg

[rain swift]

good luck

[small sleet]

got tier chest that i already had

pepehands

[oak falcon]

Anyone having issues where new talent cloud cover isnt procing? also on opener my shadowblade is not generating any combo points. So weird

[warm marlin]

it is not

[rain swift]

pins

[short radish]

[dire ravine]

its just that ez boys 🥲

[mortal arch]

love patch day

[warm marlin]

but also

[eager latch]

i looted the belt

[short radish]

so this gain is fake

cool

[lucid jackal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9fCtzfNHZ8w6XDVKVvjskz

So this is wrong?

[warm marlin]

yes

the premed bug is another 0.3% loss for premed

[short radish]

yeah

[dire ravine]

Ill prolly get that next week.

[warm marlin]

i also ran no lust no pots

this is my gain

[ember yarrow]

so outlaw vs subtley, which is better now?

[deft dock]

i mean something has to be busted with raidbots lol this is crazy

[short radish]

tbh i think i'll be running premed since it seems actual neutral with my current gear set

[eager latch]

those rings are strong holy

[short radish]

but i wonder how much of it is because of pbox

[warm marlin]

idk why u guys sim so low

[short radish]

and my mastery

[short radish]

because my gear is beans

280 with hero puzzlebox

[eager latch]

no premed only really feels bad in the opener ngl

[short radish]

im basically a m+ gamer with my loot drop from raid

[eager latch]

other than that, it's fine

raid opener no premed is ass

[deft dock]

I already have 1 of these shown...that 7k increase is just off of Sin'dorei lol

[eager latch]

but like every other blades is fine

[radiant swift]

what did u drop for premed, nvm i checked the new talent that either gives healing or shadowstep thingy - how ist that a loss tho

[dusky yacht]

alt(hold) + 0153 = ™ in case you wanna look fantastic in your bio

[umbral fulcrum]

premed is a 0.5% loss for me it seems

in sims

[eager latch]

i like the all caps tm

[umbral fulcrum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2W8g1FiptEgzXpy9W3pPxv

[eager latch]

but I appreciate it king

[dusky yacht]

I respect that

[neon fractal]

How awful does the no premed opener feel?

[ember yarrow]

Yeah wat do you replace premed with?

[eager latch]

in the pins

[warm marlin]

it cant be that much

[dusky yacht]

How are some people simming 115k and others 105k

[eager latch]

eph bond

[spice matrix]

115k?

[umbral fulcrum]

massive aura loss

[short radish]

minus 3 ilvl on MH as well

[warm marlin]

ah its with vantus

maybe thats why

[short radish]

oh

[dusky yacht]

[short radish]

yeah that'll do it

[eager latch]

this is such a waste of fucking spec tree space

[warm marlin]

noobs not running vantus sims

smh

[eager latch]

what a dumbass talent

[short radish]

theres a small part of me that misses it

speed shroud my beloved

[eager latch]

should just be in the class tree

[placid lynx]

so is worth to lose 180 mastery for 180 crit? sims says it is for ST but not for M+ but idk

[short radish]

i was running it during m0 week

[warm marlin]

speed shroud went hard in m0

[deft dock]

what are you simming at without vantus?

[warm marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cachg61M5QxZ5rXUWLk264

[short radish]

bro skipping the entire last bit of the other zul aman dungeon that isn't in the pool atm

was acutally such good tech

[quaint lodge]

its just that easy

[short radish]

blessed rolls

[dire ravine]

w da tert

[short radish]

and tert

[quaint lodge]

lowkey more excited about the tert than the trinket

[short radish]

holy

[quaint lodge]

gonna make mount farming giga fast

[dire ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/blessed-hashtag-gif-9495178

[dusky yacht]

Outplayed, King

[lucid jackal]

its apparently move like 0.4%

[radiant swift]

is that due to the bug of not being able to apex it?

[lucid jackal]

ya

[radiant swift]

think u lose basicaly always one apex

[sleek musk]

how much more intersted are we in crit? Like 31% v 36%

[radiant swift]

since u dance + stec?

[pine oyster]

So if blizz fixes the bugs, the opener would be like before the patch cos we could run premed and shadowblades wouldn’t cost us 30 energy? So we just pray for bug fixes asap?

[fair phoenix]

guys itake the coins instead of the loot on the vault

where i can switch for rolls

[short radish]

well you lose it everytime because of the premed bug

[fair phoenix]

i need to do questline to unlock first?

[short radish]

it's not supercharger

[radiant swift]

thats what i ment

[short radish]

it's also your giga amped SS not proccing

[dusky yacht]

Pretty sure you do

[radiant swift]

i never understood the 2 part of the !premed thing tho

[short radish]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[short radish]

yah so now basically shadowstrike strong

[radiant swift]

like wdym "same ass"

its just gone no

[short radish]

because who knew making it do 150% increased crit damage

would make it do a fuck ton more damage

[grand summit]

Do we use crit flask now?

[dire ravine]

So what youre saying is they can just kill two birds one stone- fix the premed interaction, and the cloud cover interaction and boom, the gabagool is back in business.

[radiant swift]

wdym by this

[short radish]

make premed give 5 SHT, make distract not cost energy

and game is fixed

[radiant swift]

i tought the whole point was to

[fair phoenix]

k ty

[radiant swift]

apex finishers

[fair phoenix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

yes

well it was

[radiant swift]

well now it might be a diffrent story

[frail bone]

wait what is the better st spec now trickster or dark in pure st?

[radiant swift]

but after i mean

[ivory swallow]

Do you guys know how much % we loss using premed in the opener? hahahaha

[short radish]

but now this is specifically the interaction with shadowstrike

[ivory swallow]

Because depending on how much is it, I rather stick with it hahaha

[short radish]

and how much damage it is doing

[short radish]

anywhere from 0.4-0.8

[radiant swift]

so the .4% might be fake/

[dire ravine]

this feels... unsubstantial.

[short radish]

premed is oversimming by 0.3%

[short radish]

it is and it isn't. some people will regem everything for 0.2% gain

[radiant swift]

how is sth looking like

[short radish]

other people will j ust play it

[radiant swift]

in a sequence there was like alot of apexed ss

esp during lust

[short radish]

it only affects the first SS in dance

because of premed

[radiant swift]

no i ment now

[short radish]

those other SS's are fine

just not the first one

[radiant swift]

true actualy

yeah mybad its legit just one

[short radish]

ye that's what i was saying initially

[radiant swift]

idk is the cancerous opener worth it tho

[short radish]

up to you

sim yourself

[short radish]

im pretty sure if you have pbox

it's neutral

[radiant swift]

yeah

id rather not

[short radish]

yeah lets not go down a realz slander path

[radiant swift]

play puzzlebox ty

i just got out of jail

[short radish]

neither would I, but we gotta make do with the prisons blizzard keep us in

[radiant swift]

but if we close the discord

nvm

[south moss]

how often do we get the ilvl upgrade thingy

[small sleet]

guys i wont even lie we're so fuckin back

[radiant swift]

the question is are u running premed @short radish

0.3% oversimed u said

[short radish]

most likely yes because i have pbox

[radiant swift]

eww

[brisk onyx]

No it’s not live

[short radish]

it's basically neutral for me

[radiant swift]

ngl i was running normal, heroic and mythic for guidon

[short radish]

so was i

[radiant swift]

these trinkets are like evading

[brisk onyx]

we need to complete another quest line for 4weeks

[short radish]

we have seen a singular guidon

i also havent seen vorasius drop a dagger on myth track once

but we've seen 4 guns now

[radiant swift]

hutner got my mythic dagger and he doesnt even play surv

[short radish]

[radiant swift]

timeless classic

[hazy lichen]

no premed feels terrible no way we dont run it

[brisk onyx]

Just pick it

a little loss

[radiant swift]

do u know where the oversim comes from tho @short radish premed over the healing thing is technicaly a dps boost

[brisk onyx]

GET mor qol

[short radish]

sim doesnt take into account for the bug

[agile kernel]

wat is the bug

[short radish]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[radiant swift]

well then the cp you could say cancles out? once u lose cp once u gain and then the dmg from ancient

how is that not big tho

on stec

[short radish]

idk that's delving too deep into TC territory that i have nfi about

smarter person than me says 0.3%

so i say 0.3%

[radiant swift]

agree it must be 0.3% then

this TC stuff so easy when u just can follow

[tribal blade]

premed is neutral

just run premed

the vibes are infinitely better

[radiant swift]

my man

preach

[short radish]

again blizzard please just make premed give +5 SHT stacks

[tribal blade]

i did a bunch of keys without premed and it was truly horrible

[short radish]

i would have thought keys not as bad

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[short radish]

since you can go in with full CP after a pack

[tribal blade]

it still kinda blows

and i know raid would be even worse

[brisk onyx]

[dire ravine]

yeah, i went back to premed. id rather be 0.4% less optimal, and not hate my life.

[elfin hound]

i am going with premed for the vibe and mental health

[short radish]

lmao nice

[tidal solstice]

im donig premed cause nope. not doing scuffed opener. 😛

[earnest cedar]

So there are times on pull where ill have around 100 energy and cloud cover will still not trigger.

Something else going on?

[brisk onyx]

This guy got the same weapon form skyreach

[tidal solstice]

oof thats not good

[short radish]

oh wait nvm i re-read what that actually said

[dire ravine]

really dumb question- but did you use shadowblades

[short radish]

i thought it was bugged and he rolled twice got same thing

[grand summit]

dude I fucking hate this bug

[short radish]

or is that what happened?

[grand summit]

60 energy is so long

[earnest cedar]

yes

[earnest cedar]

my sb will go on cd, but could cover will not trigger

[radiant swift]

the question is

can u double roll imedietly or

[tribal blade]

surely they do a refund

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

because that's a big deal

[radiant swift]

didnt they not refund craft bugs

[tidal solstice]

they didnt for all those people who pulled like 10 cloaks in a row

[radiant swift]

[short radish]

blizzard doesnt refund shit

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-bro-hand-on-shoulder-gif-11963500747147243380

[tribal blade]

doesn't affect me at all lol

i'm still sitting on mine

feel bad for others

[short radish]

NA get to beta test for OCE gamers

[red flame]

i sent mine on heroic chim & got belt

[tribal blade]

once again

we are the true heroes

[short radish]

(assuming this gets fixed in the next 8 hours)

[tribal blade]

damn heroic?

[short radish]

which i doubt it will

[tribal blade]

i don't htink i would have sent on a heroic boss

[red flame]

ya i still dont have gaze at all & we havent started mythic

idk when we will

[sleek musk]

Seems cloud cover triggered 100% of the time when using dance + sec tech into blades

[red flame]

havent even killed crown, belo or lura

[short radish]

you can just pug mythic

[tribal blade]

pug or send on dungeons

[red flame]

i mean yea true

[short radish]

there are so many groups

[tribal blade]

myth track better

[short radish]

idk sending any bonus roll on a heroic piece of gear

is kinda trolling yourself

[red flame]

well im def not killing mythic crown so neck is 100% bonus rolled

[tidal solstice]

i pugged a mythic VS and then got invited to their guild lol

[red flame]

bc every person in my guild is gonna roll on that mf even tho its not bis

[short radish]

yeah but it's still heroic gear

youre losing a bunch of stats

what even is the stats for alleria neck?

[red flame]

230 haste 44 mastery

[tidal solstice]

only send bonus rolls on mythic gear imo. let your pug heroics give you a drop or from vault for trinkets.

[red flame]

hero

[short radish]

yeah there are so many other sources of haste

you dont need that much haste on a neck

at least for sub

[dire ravine]

let me live my life

its a sick ass cantrip

[tribal blade]

would be better to have myth neck

than hero alleria neck

[umbral frost]

just grabbed the wowhead m+ talents for sub for the new patch. how come cheat death is recomended over elusiveness?

[red flame]

the neck i have now is 100 haste 150 vers hero

[tribal blade]

myth track goes higher

significantly higher

[short radish]

isnt the cantrip proc whatever as well?

[thorny kestrel]

so barring the stupid cloud bug, sub is the move for m+ I take it

[tribal blade]

rylld was saying proc on alleria neck is not great

[flint parrot]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[tribal blade]

sim bait kinda proc

[short radish]

you play whatever you want to play in m+

[dire ravine]

yes- but its cool

[tribal blade]

playing cloud cover is giga cursed in keys

because of tank movement

[short radish]

generally anyone asking the question "what spec is best for keys" isn't playing at a level where the spec matters

[thorny kestrel]

i want to play the most dam output because i'm a heathen

[short radish]

play whatever you enjoy the most

and also also what works in high keys doesnt work for lower keys

example ass vs sub

context matters

[tribal blade]

yeah sub v good in low keys sin is bad

[short radish]

but also it really doesnt matter just play what you want to play

[tribal blade]

in higher keys sub is mid and sin is huge

[thorny kestrel]

I enjoy the ones with the numbers that go buuuRRrrrr
here's the context: probably not 20 keys, mainly 15-17keys

[gilded ferry]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[thorny kestrel]

okay so sub because sin has to ramp with spreading bleeds etc (whch require higher keys that have longer health mobs)? got it

[spiral needle]

higher keys also means whatever you deathmark will actually live through the entire duration which is big

[short radish]

also funnel

[swift tinsel]

I'm a big fan of egg cloud damage

[spiral needle]

punks barely last 8 seconds in a 10

[tribal blade]

sin is huge depression in 12s

[thorny kestrel]

so deathmark is like touch of the magi then where you get mad that you kill the prio target way too fast and you only are a fourth of a way through your cd

[spiral needle]

more time to spam tempest and get full CD durations

[thorny kestrel]

got it

[swift tinsel]

lol

[warm marlin]

its liek almost the same as a socket

[tribal blade]

cool cool

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin is it time?

[tribal blade]

btw i always spell your name wrong

ryldd

ryldd

ryldd

ok

[craggy quail]

what is the reason for this change?

[brisk onyx]

any m+ pusher? I heard some people say that caster mob won’t focus stealthy rogue

[pine oyster]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[short radish]

[hushed pendant]

is the haste break now 700 even without guidon? or is it still 800?

[short radish]

[dusky yacht]

wtf

[short radish]

our first boss reclear is gonna be shit though

no sh aman buff

and no DH buff for chimmy

[swift tinsel]

also cloud only shows up in keys/open world which is neat

[short radish]

wait it doesnt show up for raid?

[swift tinsel]

nope

[short radish]

damn

thats fucked

[hushed pendant]

the pins say 800 and then 700, hence the question.

[earnest cedar]

Yes it does?

[swift tinsel]

I just asked my whole raid if they saw it right as I dropped it

and not one single person did

[craggy quail]

it happens to me a lot

[short radish]

dunno where these notes are from

could be misinformation

[tidal solstice]

that would be amazing. seat is so guilty of that

[vocal hare]

what if i play sub with assa gear? do i need lot of mastery to make sub work or i can go with crit stack?

[short radish]

crit fine. just get haste breakpoints

[civic lava]

you want to have 700/800 haste depending if you have guidon

then go crit/mastery basicaly

[swift tinsel]

I'm becoming a big crit enthusiast

I need more

I crave it

[vocal hare]

i have like 18 some %

should be fine

[tribal blade]

holy shit in before timing dance before pulls for rotten

smile

[short radish]

its legit

@brisk onyx https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24271855

[short radish]

22 second pull timers

[swift tinsel]

was thinking about that too lol

its a 25 or 30 sec buff?

[tribal blade]

holy fuck this blades costing energy

[short radish]

30 sec buff, 20 sec cd on sdance

[tribal blade]

is gonna brick my brain

[short radish]

2 secs to account for boomkins pulling early

[twin surge]

but dont we loose most temporary buffs on pull?

[swift tinsel]

not always

[twin surge]

yeah just like sp combos 😄

[slender granite]

What buff are you guys talking about?

[swift tinsel]

The Rotten

[slender granite]

is it a new talent? i think im lost lol

[short radish]

bottom left of talent tree

[slender granite]

Ohhh found it

[swift tinsel]

31% crit with flask, I need more

[dusky yacht]

I love how fuu updated the wowhead guide on 4/20 and it's the smoke screen patch ngl

[swift tinsel]

need to get myth Spire legs

[dusky yacht]

[swift tinsel]

and pit ring

[radiant swift]

is mythic guidon even that much of an upgrade? the extra haste on use?

[shrewd lantern]

holy fuck bird sucks

[waxen viper]

anyone have the spell id for light's potential by chance

[copper linden]

am i able to turn down the opacity of my smoke cloud dodging puddles on alleria is not fun

[thorny obsidian]

radiant plume will low key become one of the better trinkets cause you can context switch so easily between AOE and single target bonuses

[short radish]

#showtooltip
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309

potion macro using fleeting r3 > fleeting r2 > r3> r2 for lights potential

[shrewd lantern]

i have 1k mastery

on the dot

[thorny obsidian]

do as the sim guides 🙂

[golden thunder]

1.3k mastery

[short radish]

as the sim guides on*

[wintry heart]

I fuckin knew this would be my first extra token lol

[brisk onyx]

TY

[tidal solstice]

gotr that too but it was one my last couple hero peices

[dusky yacht]

Indestructible bis

Crap I can't sim until servers are back up

[wanton mantle]

Emberwing feather is simming 1.7k higher than Puzzle box?? huh???

[elfin hound]

get em up asap

[dusky yacht]

I'm on it boss

https://giphy.com/gifs/hacker-MM0Jrc8BHKx3y

[earnest cedar]

yea, next fight all my Cloud Covers appeared, so idk what was going on in dreamrift

[short radish]

[brisk thunder]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[earnest cedar]

Not this "If you do not have 30 energy you will not trigger Cloud Cover."

[short radish]

another bug

[wanton mantle]

"Feature"

[fair phoenix]

someone can check what waist or wrists become when catalyse

and btw we receive 2 rolls p/week?

[slender granite]

Another item but not tierset

[earnest cedar]

might be something with SStorm quickly with SB

[fair phoenix]

i wanna see the stats

[lilac stag]

@short radish so what you’re saying is I’m traveling back in time and stealing all your loot?

[short radish]

yeah

[fair phoenix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stuck arrow]

Cloud cover feels so good dude

[wanton mantle]

Emberwing simming 2k over puzzle box, is this working as intended or am i being jebaited

[stuck arrow]

Real CDs are the bomb.

[raven maple]

With the new M+ talent build with smoke cloud, do I still want BP on 2 or more targets with Potent Powder?

[dusky yacht]

I can't wait to log in man goddamn I wanna check this shit out asap

[haughty heart]

For EU Still 5 hours to log

[dusky yacht]

I'm hopemaxxing

[haughty heart]

kekw

[dusky yacht]

Nah jk my brain just went "wouldn't it be funny if I woke him way too early"

Now I'm the mr bean meme

https://giphy.com/gifs/waiting-mr-bean-checking-time-pFZTlrO0MV6LoWSDXd

[fair phoenix]

someone can check what wrists or waist become if catalyse

on stats

[dusky yacht]

I think I checked waist and it was versa something

Didn't check wrists

[sterile nacelle]

iirc wrist is high crit low haste

[wintry heart]

belt is haste vers

[fair phoenix]

🤮

[cedar sapphire]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[restive mauve]

Hello, I have a question: Why is Premeditation being replaced with Ephemeral Bond, and are there any advantages to Ephemeral Bond?

[flat snow]

!pins

[short radish]

#subtlety message

You can read more about it in the pins or this post here.

[restive mauve]

thank you

[hushed roost]

damn lmao, new opener with puzzlebox feels like ass

and guidon dude gave me a cloak thanks man

[dusky yacht]

"bloodlust on pull"
Markus: shit.

[slender granite]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[indigo breach]

Is taking premed a loss or just not any better? It feels so bad

[solemn sonnet]

slight loss but worth

[dusky yacht]

Apparently 0.7% from what I've heard but..

[chrome totem]

Shadow Dance is CD bugged with The First Dance talent, what's going on.

[wanton mantle]

i think sims are overvaluing Emberwing

[edgy cave]

anyone have that zelda wind waker throwing away the puzzle box gif handy? hard to search

[balmy jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

[waxen lintel]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hushed roost]

pretty sure im just going back to premed

[latent parcel]

mastery set still simming higher than crit 🫡

[wanton mantle]

does it involve adds or dungeon slice cuz thats intended

[latent parcel]

still patch

[short radish]

a lot of people are

[marble oriole]

first run

[hazy lichen]

!opener

whats the new opener

[latent parcel]

like 2k dps diff but needing to use haste flask instead of crit flask

[steep raven]

If only opener feels bad why not just
SS>Vanish+SS>Pool to 100>Guidon+Backstab>CDS

[dusky yacht]

Holy shit

[gusty coyote]

which talent do we take off for premed?

[dusky yacht]

Wait why your proc do less damage than mine

[short radish]

the same talent we picked up when we dropped premed

[dusky yacht]

Oh it's not upgraded yet makes sense

[past pike]

Is the 2 set worth getting ?

[errant hearth]

im running plume guidon rn, would it make sense to switch to umbral plume in single target crit sims higher in single target?

[slender granite]

and what talent are u dropping for premed?

[dusky yacht]

I think it's pretty good personally, I got the set completed recently and I like it, also occlusion has massive crit

[waxen lintel]

Has outlaw taken over sub with the new patch?

[past pike]

Hmm yah alright

[waxen lintel]

Sick of changing gears all the time, damn

[dusky yacht]

Just play what you wanna play none of the specs are truly out there

[warm marlin]

I need to regem everything for .2% dps gain

[short radish]

i did that to get my haste cap

fuck puzzle box

[latent parcel]

i got Guidon as a warbound drop somehow, adios pbox

[supple tundra]

So sub or outlaw for m+ and raids?

[short radish]

yes

[barren gyro]

when did some of our bis items change?

[latent parcel]

yes

[tribal blade]

holy shit how muh stuff did they break in this game, just got dc'd and it reverted macro changes i made

[wicked aurora]

I dont get it, everyone complaining about opener and dropping premed. We picking up healing talent over it, and notes don’t explain why. Its just saying that we cannot proc a clone with it. Okay, we cant, so why we still changing?

[bleak night]

well thats normal tbf

if you dc after doing something like that it wont save

have to log out normally

[tribal blade]

oh does it actually

good to know

[steep raven]

Can someone check if "Detection" is on a GCD?

[short radish]

it is

[barren gyro]

it is

[steep raven]

Oh shit

Now I know what to bind trinket to

[lyric thorn]

Rule of thumb, always do a reload after macro changes

[balmy gate]

So sub rogue is full bugged?

[short radish]

no more than usual

well

a bit more than usual

[lucid jackal]

It doesnt trigger one of your apex talents if premed is active

so we just dont talent it

[tribal blade]

it is but it's hasted

[barren gyro]

im just getting home for the day, whats going on with rogue since patch?

[tribal blade]

so it won't work

if you're trying to macro to guidon

[steep raven]

Hasted as in lower gcd than normal?

[tribal blade]

yeah

[steep raven]

Welp

[tribal blade]

reduced by how much haste you have

[steep raven]

Unlucky

[tribal blade]

we tried doing that already

doesn't work sadly

[dusky yacht]

What's detection

[short radish]

a skill you press to detect things

[quaint lodge]

its my fidget ability

[steep raven]

Can someone try opener on a dummy and tell me if it works
SS>Vanish+SS>Pool to 100 energy>Backstab+Guidon>CDS
Do you get enough sht to get to 7cp while you're pooling

[hushed roost]

hope this feels a little better, feel like im missing out on output for all the cleave fights

[swift tinsel]

anyone else having crazy DC issues

we;re losing tons of people mid-pull

[golden thunder]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steep raven]

Is this with buffs?

Flask etc

[stoic laurel]

guys why shadow blades take me 30 energy now?