subtlety

[thorny obsidian]

read the pins fully, trust me

[strong jay]

i'm just playing sub as an alt this patch so this might be common knowledge, i'm assuming shadow clones can't spawn if you're at max combo points since you can't spend the shadow techniques on shadowstrikes right?

[alpine wraith]

depends wich clones

ones from strike no because you need to spend sht

but apex ones do spawn from using apex 3

then apex 1 procs because you spent sht

[cosmic crescent]

What talent are we taking in palce of Premed if we opt to drop it?

[fair stump]

you still spend as normal, only opener changes

[alpine wraith]

extra healing taken or shadow step cdr

[strong jay]

ah right ok

[hearty mural]

ty

[strong jay]

can you cancelaura the buff?

[fair stump]

Do I need to save the ascendant voidcore for myth items?

[ivory swallow]

Did we had changes in our raid talents?

[low geyser]

Can somebody whrite rotation pls and ratio crit/haste/mastery

[fair stump]

man this is armageddon for mods lol

[pulsar hemlock]

It's a blessed day

[strange chasm]

Everyone seeing the cloud of smoke

is CRAZY

[left ledge]

wait

everyone sees it?

LMAO

[frail kindle]

yeah i just got bitched at it

LMFAO

[strange chasm]

YES

[warm marlin]

I thought 30 energy for blades was bad..

[strange chasm]

HAHA

[wary locust]

i dont see it

[ebon pawn]

Smoke bomb is covering the mechs haha

[frail kindle]

this is exactly what sub needed though dmg wise ngl

like it feels like ur back to melting packs like with prism

[pulsar hemlock]

I'm bombing the vault on cd all night to celebrate

[frail kindle]

ur actually competitive with the real classes in cds now

[elfin magnet]

Wait

[dire ravine]

bugged hero talents and no premed?

[pulsar hemlock]

We hot boxin in the bank

[elfin magnet]

Maybe this is why we lost the stealth sound?

Stealth doesnt make a noise anymore

[native zodiac]

send a screenshot of this pelase for us eu blokes

[upper flame]

Hey guys, so sorry to bother--is Wowhead correct that our new best single target raid build now takes exhilirating execution, planned execution, and we don't take finality now? instead we go for the rotten?

[harsh gale]

outlaw is #1 now wtf

[upper flame]

what da heck

[hazy breach]

12.0.5 Info

• Theres new talents, you can read more here #subtlety message (<- You can click this)
• Premeditation is a small loss to take (~0.5%), but you can still take it if you prefer it. (You would drop Ephemeral Bond)
• The rotation is the same, only thing that changed is you need to build to 7 without Premeditation in the opener.
• Stats are still Haste until breakpoint (700) > Fill the rest with Crit/Mastery. Crit is worth slightly more than before but that does not mean mastery is garbage, especially once theres more than 1 target. Can start using Crit Flask instead of Mastery.

With Cloud Cover talented Shadow Blades currently costs 30 energy, this is a bug. If you do not have 30 energy you will not trigger Cloud Cover.
This has ben fixed

[upper flame]

Thank you. ;w;

[alpine wraith]

maybe put the 30 energy tax for now

[deft oar]

ok but like, is raidbots just wrong? sims with premed vs no premed have the same dps

[alpine wraith]

or people will be VERY confused

[umbral fulcrum]

when you say rotation is the same, do i need to think about vanishing for damage instead of mobility more

[alpine wraith]

you do gain dmg by vanish striking in between dances in blades

now and before

[warm marlin]

this one is the other rogues

[alpine wraith]

maybe you just didnt kn ow

[warm marlin]

thats what it looks like for other people

[upper flame]

i thought we used to vanish for combo point generation before too

[alpine wraith]

we do

[upper flame]

@umbral fulcrum

[alpine wraith]

just not on pull

but a bit after

[lusty acorn]

So no 298 item

After 4 week we can upgrade one

Am i riggt?

H

[umbral fulcrum]

sorry it was my understanding that +1 ss per 2 minutes was not considered a meaningful gain before

[cedar eagle]

do we feel like outlaw becomes the go to m+ spec now?

[umbral fulcrum]

[fair phoenix]

how we can get the rolls ?

where

[placid blade]

voidzone main area

[native zodiac]

haha this will go hard on lura

[lusty acorn]

Am i right?

[lusty solar]

sims are up right

[cold badge]

You changed

[cedar eagle]

man im having an identity crisis be kind to me today

[knotty cove]

so is shadow blades costing 30 energy now a bug or intended

[alpine wraith]

extras strikes from stealth do more dmg because of a passive of it and then it can proc clones and you also have blades upo

so it does a bit of dmg

[lucid jackal]

bug

[alpine wraith]

not crazy but hey we take that 0.2 or 0.3

[cold badge]

Be king to yourself king, love you homie damn

[upper flame]

awesome, we love bugs

[crystal atlas]

D:

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[full wyvern]

Is it better to wait for 60 energy to cast Blades/Dance/ST at once or just do blades/dance and ST next global?

[timid rose]

Well I got the gaze... Now just need a guidon

[carmine rune]

Guys heroic alnseer or myth prism (skyreach) that's all I got in vault

[stable plume]

heroic gaze > mythic prism

[dire ravine]

Question-
For cleave fights such as Dragons, and Paladins- where we'd drop Weaponmaster to take Potent powder, Do we also now want to drop the rotten to pick up Finality (1/2)?

[lusty acorn]

Get gaze and yoy will get 2 myth gear from dungoen

[drifting zinc]

Take myth chest or heroic gaze.. or just try to bonus roll gaze from now on.

[undone cliff]

You want SecTec asap

[fair stump]

what ilvl does hero trinkets end up being when using ascendant voidcore?

[alpine wraith]

get neither for now and coin mythic chima

you might get tier chest there

then you get hc gaze

[lusty acorn]

Sub is blasting?

[alpine wraith]

sub is better now than before

still behind elite specs but our burst has gone up way more

so we can sneak quite a bit of overall if possible

[lusty acorn]

Cool

[alpine wraith]

and if some fights favour cleaving in cds

[kind edge]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[dry zodiac]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[dry zodiac]

did anything change w/ the aa optimization today or still the same?

[fair stump]

bump

[dry zodiac]

i swear i did and there wasn't a pin like 15 mins ago :P

but ty

[alpine wraith]

you get them at the ilvl it would drop from the content if you mean the bonus rolls

[slim gale]

I miss premed

[crystal atlas]

sims keep dropping me under 600 haste

[fair stump]

I meant the ascendant voidforged

[alpine wraith]

oh if it is the +ilvl just +9

[slim stag]

Hey the 12.5 patch from when I noticing on wowhead is I'll wait till I hit seven combo points before I do my opener is that correct

[fair stump]

so its not worth using it on hero track items

Only myth, right?

[drifting zinc]

brave of you to assume im doing mythic raid content

[alpine wraith]

yea

idk even my alts have killed it but if you can only do hc just try to do it first

and see what happens

[undone cliff]

I’m using it on heroic since I don’t do mythic

[placid lynx]

we not running TFD for m+ build anymore?

[swift tinsel]

lol you can reroll bountiful delve loot too

[hazy breach]

You can if you want to

[lusty acorn]

Where can i get the tokens to reroll

[cedar eagle]

can sub rogue not use swords at all anymore even in off hand

[hazy breach]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[vague hare]

what is better not? TFD or deathstalker?

[swift tinsel]

do the same weekly quest you've done every week for 3 voidcore shards

then buy them

[still gazelle]

Only two voidcores this week?

[swift tinsel]

also you can do this in one delve

[hazy breach]

2 every week

[fair stump]

what kind of change would make blades cost 30 energy lol

[earnest lodge]

do i open my vault as outlaw

[hazy breach]

Distract costs 30 energy

[lusty acorn]

Where

[lilac stag]

sub stonks 📈

[stuck arrow]

Why not like get myth gear from bonus rolls?

[alpine wraith]

they krangled ditract onto it backend

[dire ravine]

For raid cleave: Drop WM take PP, drop rotten take finality?

[swift tinsel]

the guy that gives you the quest

[fair stump]

lmfao

[swift tinsel]

the same guy

[lusty acorn]

Alr

[fair stump]

spaghetti code

[lusty acorn]

Ty mate

[alpine wraith]

you can use cores on m+

[undone cliff]

Requires me to run m+ lol

[alpine wraith]

dont believe you cant do a 10

well that is weird but sure

[fair stump]

they changed the interaction to blades but kept distract as the cast spell

[sweet meteor]

For crafted items is it still crit/mast or mast/haste or do we add crit/haste to the mix?

[undone cliff]

I should but when guild gets on it’s my bed time. Sucks getting old lol

[stuck arrow]

And y'all clowned on me for saying smoke tech was distract tech. 😂

[grand summit]

Be honest whats the dmg loss from just taking premed

[alpine wraith]

you can sim crafted items

just do a top gear

[fair stump]

but the myth trinkets only drop on myth raids

[lusty acorn]

I have question when i reroll in +10 mythic dungeon iteam gear imadilty i get it?

[alpine wraith]

a 298 trink will be way better than any hc trinket

[stuck arrow]

I mean like.

It's 3 dungeons lol.

[alpine wraith]

298 solar from skyreach is better than hc gaze for ex

[dire ravine]

@hazy breach

[paper siren]

Lowkey feel like im doing less damage with this build

[fair stump]

what about guidon?

[alpine wraith]

even 289 trinks are very good

puzzlebox can be close to guidon but on st guidon is better

[fair stump]

sucks, I hate using puzzle

[oblique fable]

No premed feels bad tbh

[still gazelle]

Oh? WoWhead just said you couldn't did you get an upgrade?

[vague hare]

so sub is using bloud cover talent?

[grand summit]

is it even worth

[swift tinsel]

huh

[wary locust]

am i doing something wrong? shadow blades isnt dropping a smoke bomb

[alpine wraith]

yea

[swift tinsel]

oh just saw the wowhead article

[still gazelle]

So when you did it were you able to upgrade?

[swift tinsel]

no

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

you can just finish the quest to unlock it after doing 1

[frail kindle]

what do you drop for first dance in m+

[wary locust]

wowhead guide not updated? i just pulled the ST buildf rom it

[alpine wraith]

finality or wm depending

i drop wm

but maybe new talents make it better than finality

[still gazelle]

IS my crit too high? I mostly do keys.

[spiral needle]

lol, cloud cover makes dummies face you, so it's def distract spaghetti code

[upbeat sorrel]

did anyone get tokens from vault this week? can you buy the bonus roll currency if youre already capped like this

[weak vector]

I read that you could

[upbeat sorrel]

i wanted to send 3 bonus rolls on guidon mythic if possible

didnt really want to come back for it

[crystal atlas]

where do u pick up bonus rolls

[alpine wraith]

blizz said they are uncapped

but i dont trust them

[upbeat sorrel]

unfortunately i do not trust them either

[alpine wraith]

you can only send 2 on M

raid

[raven maple]

I saw the pin, are we trying the ST talent build in Mythic raids?

[upbeat sorrel]

huh there's caps on how many to send??

[barren ember]

Huge m+ buffs

[alpine wraith]

yea

2 in M raid and 1 per M+

[upbeat sorrel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/what-the-fuck-wtf-ukGm72ZLZvYfS

[alpine wraith]

as you might expect you cant kill a M boss twice

so even if you have 4 cores

you can only spend 2 per week

on that boss

[upbeat sorrel]

so the bonus rolls from vault are... kind of pointless

[alpine wraith]

they are good

[upbeat sorrel]

(if you only need 1 item from raid)

[alpine wraith]

every 2 weeks you have an extra try on a M boss

if you only need 1 yea

[grand summit]

How do we even get those rolls I didnt even see the opportunity

[modest comet]

so to summarize: we get x mythic items per week, but are giga hard crest capped, to do anything with em? :D

[fair stump]

What M+ dagger can I replace the beloren one with?

[swift tinsel]

so you can finish all the new stuff plus weekly spark quest in 4 bountiful delves, quite easy

[stuck arrow]

That's actually likely goated, can likely los mobs with it. 👀

[swift tinsel]

to unlock your 2 reroll cores

[lusty acorn]

The loot when i reroll i got it instantly even when i got nothing?

[upbeat sorrel]

oh it costs 2 bonus rolls to bonus roll once on mythic raid?

[swift tinsel]

alrighty Pit time

[fair stump]

yes

[upbeat sorrel]

i guess that makes sense

[north garnet]

Do we know about the weapon upgrade system?

[swift tinsel]

it is not live yet

[slim stag]

What the % of st and aoe or is pin

[lusty acorn]

4 weeks to upgrade one

[upbeat sorrel]

not sure if i want to even buy one now then

[exotic holly]

cant do voidcore this week

[upbeat sorrel]

socket might be better

[exotic holly]

voidforge*

[upbeat sorrel]

my rogue has bought 2 sockets already this season

[buoyant leaf]

6% across

[upbeat sorrel]

time for a 3rd

[low geyser]

Talent below sb epmeral bond is he reworked to use premed insted him

[upbeat sorrel]

[heady bridge]

so is new opener literally shadowstrike -> backstab to 7 ->cds?

[grave parcel]

Is puzzlebox better for M+ over guidon?

and if so are we using it as a 3 minute trinket?

[hallow night]

we need to take a stand against use trinkets with a cast timer

[tribal blade]

massive

[covert anchor]

Huh

[south pelican]

so how long until we get weapons

[covert anchor]

If you dont have 30 energy and press blades, you dont drop the smoke bomb

thats funny af

[north garnet]

Gratz

[fair stump]

bruh

[iron obsidian]

imagine not getitng that from your first kill my fellow stormrage gamer

[alpine wraith]

holy didnt think about this one

even funnier

than not being able to use blades

[covert anchor]

I was like so confused

[iron obsidian]

yo chat do we still shuriken storm first global in dance

now without premed

[covert anchor]

because I pressed blades

after back stabbing 20 times

and no bomb

[thin sinew]

i mean it's rogue ofcourse it bugs

[red flame]

fastest tokens of my life holy L of a vault

[alpine wraith]

that is a thing for DS

not trickster

[hearty mural]

where do we get the tokens

cant find it

[iron obsidian]

it was very much a thing for trickster

[covert anchor]

@hazy breach prob worth mentioning

[iron obsidian]

lmao

[thin sinew]

uh oh the forbidden @

[hazy breach]

?

[red flame]

you select them at the bottom of ur vault, the Thalassian Token of Merit

[upbeat sorrel]

i thought my blades dance sectech macro broke but i just didnt have enough energy

[north garnet]

They re used the code for distract, you just auto cast the cloud version on your self when you use blades but they forgot to remove the price. So if you blades and you dont have the energy you just wont cast it

[upbeat sorrel]

ty blizzard

[covert anchor]

yes

[north garnet]

theory

[weak glade]

lol

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[covert anchor]

thats not what I said

[upbeat sorrel]

why do we get all the bad bugs and DK gets a 20% damage increase bug

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-4693057381493629157

classic blizz

[timid rose]

Lol smol indie company just Claude coding it

[red flame]

can never implement something without it bugged as fuck

W company

[weak glade]

WE HIT BIG

[hearty mural]

we pop shadowblades right before SD right?

[waxen viper]

alright im needing some help with this one, i think taking the ring is my best option overall but not taking plume trink 2 weeks in a row feels bad considering its better then the solarflare trink. My sims show that i should be running box with solar for raid and then guidon with plume for M+ im starting to thinkmy sims are busted and might be drunk because none of this is making any sense.
here are the sims that i ran incase thats relevant
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bHw7Dm6ByNp8fcNMZDRC6g
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/waQnpZiAU3WS1qjy3gAWrR

[fierce wigeon]

think ima play premed anyway yolo

[grand summit]

is top gear updated?

[fluid moth]

this cloud smoke animation is too much

[crystal atlas]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/joSR6aFuUioWyNiXerc61o Sim is having me go way under haste cap do I trust the sim or stick to 700

[covert anchor]

thats not what I meant, think the wording of the pin is confusing but w.e

[hazy breach]

No, you are not supposed to follow the bis list

Just get ilvl and sim your stuff

They do say what i wrote, but its written in text

And nobody reads the text

[hearty mural]

669 Haste (with oils) 503 Crit 1055 Mastery ....should i recraft my crafted to crit instead of mastery? i have guidon

[low geyser]

Why we dont droo this and take premed

[hazy breach]

But we have to include bis lists because thats what people want

[hearty mural]

hmm

[wanton mantle]

well....thats bad

[low geyser]

Its better premed than heal

[steel wyvern]

Oh man

[grand summit]

not having premed feels fucking AWFUL

how big of a DPS change is it I wonder

[fast dome]

Are sub's sims accurate?

[oak bear]

why exactly are we dropping premed again?

[somber sun]

would it be better just to prep combo points between fights ?

[eternal wave]

sim is saying to go under the 700 haste cap do i follow that?

[somber sun]

apex talents interaction

check pin

[warm marlin]

if my bonus roll gets me a gaze...

i will truly be ascended

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-hendry-i-believe-in-joe-hendry-i-believe-say-his-name-gif-15553086362876922141

[upbeat sorrel]

so how much energy do we need for our full send combo macro with our new fun bug

[grand summit]

I also would like to know

[lucid jackal]

60

[grand summit]

I think 60, 30 for Sectech and 30 for SB'

due to bug

[upbeat sorrel]

ty

[livid gorge]

we are running cloud cover for everything now right?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[livid gorge]

coolio

[clear hazel]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Mastery >= `Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700)` > `Critical Strike` > Versatility

[wanton mantle]

not sure thats accurate anymore

[hearty mural]

you find it in the pins yet? cant find it

[weak glade]

I assume the sheet is updtated right

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[hearty mural]

thank you

[lapis ridge]

Where can I find the new opener sequence spelled out? xd

[hazy breach]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities?area=rotation_tool_block_2

[still gazelle]

696 haste is close enough to breakpoint to be fine right?

[lapis ridge]

Ty

[alpine wraith]

yea

[verbal kelp]

sorry to be that guy, but is outlaw gonna be the best spec now for m+?

[placid pivot]

still sub

[verbal kelp]

ive been playing assa for 18-19s as sub just falls off

[lucid jackal]

Maybe

Sub also got buffed so maybe

[lapis ridge]

So where do I use guidon in this? after full combo points but before shadowblades?

[placid pivot]

yo guys beloren dagger or vora dagger for voidcore upgrade

[topaz meadow]

6. Any on-use stat trinket

[hazy breach]

Yes before shadow dance

[west tide]

am i crazy or why is shadowblades costin me so muich energy

[winter current]

do we still use magister flask, or we wanna use a new one?

[west tide]

omg ok

[lapis ridge]

Ty ty

[timber quiver]

Wonder if this thing at hero track any good now for those not gaze havers (sorry for phone pic)

[west tide]

its still hella good just gotta pool forsure

[lilac stag]

If I take Tea will the opener without premed be better?

[waxen viper]

still needing some help with this one as the sims are still saying the same thing and i honestly dont know what i should take for my vault this week.

[spice crag]

!faq

[lucid jackal]

no clue

[alpine wraith]

same stats as skyreach trink

[spice crag]

how do i pull up the notes from today

[lucid jackal]

google.com

[alpine wraith]

not crazy but not bad

[copper river]

Has anyone put together a list ranking the reroll items from dungeons for sub?

[alpine wraith]

algethar nexus point are good ones

[spice crag]

no like the discord notes

[hardy lily]

Do you just not SnD on opener?

[shell vector]

So why are we not taking premed anymore?

[lilac stag]

What answer do you want to hear? Plume is good. Can swap between crit and mastery.

[prime field]

sub or outlaw better for raid now?

[grizzled gust]

Does any1 have the gif of link throwing the puzzle box into the ocean

[hazy breach]

We havent pressed SnD in our opener for a very long time

[lilac stag]

Whatever your heart desires

[lilac stag]

Don’t check the outlaw pins

[hazy breach]

What

[prime field]

i want to know what’s better 🫩

[hazy jackal]

suppo guys so Sub will perform better on M+ thans assassin now ?

[lucid jackal]

Outlaw should be better now but sub is also good now so idk

Its day 1

ITs been 4 hours

Duno

[prime field]

alr

ty

[lilac stag]

It’s been 1:43 minutes

Come back next week

[verbal kelp]

whats our fastest way to get a decent one hand weapon to go outlaw.. only got daggers

[prime field]

im just tired of sub

[lilac stag]

then don’t play it

#outlaw

[lucid jackal]

Yeah outlaw should be solid so give it a try

[outer orchid]

is anyone else experiencing issues? i literally cannot interact with anything or even log out
area-52 is imploding

[lilac stag]

Go be an ace

[lucid jackal]

Crafting

[lilac stag]

your fault for being on area 52

[waxen viper]

i know the trinket is good but also my sims seem like they are drunk and its telling me to use puzzle box in single target with the solarflare instead of using guidon like we should be. Just trying to figure out if i should take plume over the myth track ring

[outer orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[prime field]

ty

[frosty kettle]

Ive heard reports that crafting is eating peoples gear. Like 2 people already told me they went to recraft and their item is gone after the craft completes

[upbeat sorrel]

saw this screenshot from someone

hmmmmmmmmmm

[lilac stag]

You can craft a ring.
Can’t craft a plume.

[outer orchid]

takes 4 weeks to complete

[pseudo verge]

man 2 healers got gaze im so done

[hollow compass]

how much dam do you lose by still taking pre med

im considering if i should take it on beloren so i can get shit on cd faster

[upbeat sorrel]

mine only goes to 1/1 though not sure how they got 3 weeks in

[hollow compass]

according to the sim i still gain more dam from taking premed

[swift tinsel]

it only took me one delve to finish that quest but it doesn't unlock the abilitiy to upgrade gear

[lilac stag]

1%

[upbeat sorrel]

is yours showing 3/3 too

[quaint lodge]

The rotation without premed feels so funky

[swift tinsel]

yes its done

[upbeat sorrel]

the quest i got from it is just gone but the voidthing shows 1/1

i never turned in the quest

im so confused

[swift tinsel]

you can finish the quest, but you can't unlock upgrades yet

[lilac stag]

2-3 backstabs feels funky?

[upbeat sorrel]

does the quest auto complete?

[swift tinsel]

idr if i turned it in or not

[quaint lodge]

Well more accurately, its that + the fact that we don't take the SD talent

[quaint lodge]

So the rotation is a lot more backstab then before

[upbeat sorrel]

this is what im seeing now

i guess thats working as intended

[short radish]

[jade oasis]

if you take it it’s like a -99% decrease

[lucid frost]

Lmao

[short radish]

yeah idk if it's a lack of shaman buff, but hitting dummies felt really wack

waiting a few seconds to go into burst is whatever

but during the burst, i wasn't nautrally getting the apex

[steel wyvern]

Bro just vanish opener

[short radish]

no it's a dps loss reeeeeeeee

[steel wyvern]

What

[torn tide]

lol bruh, bug that costs me 30 energy? thats mad

[steel wyvern]

How

[upbeat sorrel]

30 energy is unplayable honestly

[steel wyvern]

What’s a dps loss

[upbeat sorrel]

reroll dk angle with their 20% damage bug is looking juicier than ever

[short radish]

better to press inbetween dances during blade

[torn tide]

getting used to farming to 7 without premed will feel soo weird

[frank wolf]

dude no premed is very ebola

im backstabbing thrice after shadowstrike

[short radish]

the premed is kinda whatever tbh

[lucid jackal]

They already fixed it

[short radish]

it's the 25% attackspeed in sd now gone

[lilac stag]

I wonder if it’s not currently with blades costing 30 energy

[steel wyvern]

I mean your first blades is so delayed

Without vanishing

[candid field]

does doing a macro for sb, st, sd and trinket not work anymore?

[tribal blade]

i think running premed better tbh

if blades costs 30 energy

this is fucked lol

[steel wyvern]

Not really

[short radish]

surely the 30 energy thing will be fixed

right

perhaps even mid week

[fair stump]

Can we sim now?

[pseudo verge]

atleast we wont press cds before bl classes decides to show up and press bl 5 seconds into pull

[lilac stag]

Oh @short radish #subtlety message

[left ledge]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[frank wolf]

this is because of no warning signs huh? im the same. seems like the only apex im getting are the times im trying to force it for supercharger

[lucid jackal]

So like

If u wanna run warning

U can run it

[short radish]

oh okay

that's kinda good

i like margins of error

and feeling better

[tribal blade]

running warning signs still good

and feels way better

win win

[frank wolf]

like lowkey no more warning signs changes the !aa no? im having to wait too long for stacks

[lucid jackal]

PE is more burst, warning is more dance

[lucid jackal]

Why would it change the AA

It just means it happens less often

[short radish]

acutally i should sim this with and without shaman buff

[lucid jackal]

It doesnt change the concept

[short radish]

ty though

[short radish]

yeah

[short radish]

gzgz im happy for you or something

[frank wolf]

yeah true i suppose it changes how often you can "do" aa i mean

[lucid jackal]

ya

[frank wolf]

bro cringe though

PE can NOT be this good right

holy cringe

[thorny obsidian]

So premed is whats making blades cost 30e, am i correct?

[left ledge]

no

blizz fucked up the spell data

and blades is casting distract

[ivory swallow]

Did we had any buff?

[spiral needle]

it's casting distract without casting distract

[left ledge]

distract is 30 energy

[thorny obsidian]

oh good god

[pulsar hemlock]

Are we simming with nightly or latest

[lilac stag]

Latest

[frank wolf]

Not to be doomer but the gameplay is looking sus

[short radish]

without shaman buff

with shaman buff

[wise fulcrum]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[frank wolf]

Im just gonna run old talent build and pretend nothing happened

[short radish]

there goes my theory of shaman buff being more valuable witout WS

[lilac stag]

Every time something changes on this spec, worst thing ever. Then you play with it and it’s fine.

[crystal atlas]

Rerolls this week from vault T_T

[spiral needle]

you just pretty much always SS twice after you dance/sec tech is all it is

[frank wolf]

Just not applicable to me at all lol. I loved the change to sub going into Midnight

[spiral needle]

opener needing 30 extra energy is annoying as hell though

[small sleet]

warning signs gets more value precisely because you're autoing more so it gets to proc skyfury more

[lucid jackal]

The changes like

Bro

[frank wolf]

and I have played with it, its not the worst thing ever but it feels worse for sure

[lucid jackal]

If u want, u can play premed over bond

Its like -100 dps

[lilac stag]

@lucid jackal is outlaw channel any better right now?

[lucid jackal]

U can then drop PE for Warning signs for another 50 DPS

Thats the only change

[lilac stag]

holy shiet this place

[lucid jackal]

and then ofc the rotten over finality

Nothing has changed other than that

[pulsar hemlock]

Guys lets all just go play assassination devo and be happy

[hazy breach]

Rotten was better on ST by like 0.3% before this too

[lucid jackal]

Rotten and finality dont change gameplay tho

[hazy breach]

Correct

[lucid jackal]

They are just passive talents

at least with premed its like, actual gameplay

[fair stump]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tAYQvfu3R2fgHmQnfW954A
So according to sims, voidforged hero raid trinkets are marginally better than mythic M+ trinkets, am I simming right?

[storm umbra]

P3 Lura - cloud cover insta dissapeared

[dense geode]

So the the wowhead guide saying take ephermeral Bond is cosmetic or does it benefit something else?

[short radish]

didnt have 30 energy

[fair stump]

you gotta drop premed to take full advantage of smoke cloud, and there's no other talent that is significant that you could take to replace that

[hazy breach]

You can take the better shadowstep if you prefer that

But +8% healing taken is nice

[fair stump]

you also have to take a talent to open the gates for the rest of the tree

[spiral needle]

healers adjust, im taking better shadowstep

[dense geode]

What does EB have to do with that tho.

what am i missing here

[fair stump]

this part

[frank wolf]

just take goremaw instead of bond

[weak glade]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dense geode]

I dont get it

[fair stump]

you have to drop premed, also have to take either bond or shadowstep to open the left half of the tree

how else are you gonna open the tree

[hazy breach]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1496293031459033108/image.png?ex=69e95afa&is=69e8097a&hm=133e753b53278ecaf81c188ddacb0c3d61f3b59f25284ca34d0cce3eba96d9ac&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=553&height=68

Noticed i have an accidental "the" before premed

[left ledge]

are we still mastery flask or crit flask

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-3977056725828219167

[dense geode]

ok so we are taking it because it fucks with something

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal nah but im missing chimaerus to this

i cant even bonus roll it

its genuinely

[small sleet]

ok ngl this 30 energy bug

[warm marlin]

never been more over

[lucid jackal]

LOLOLOL

Tier is over

[small sleet]

may make me explode

[still gazelle]

So premed predead

Take the bonus heals

[frank wolf]

nah on king david, larry hoover, baby crip and folks n em grave bro

[dense geode]

ty

[small sleet]

bro if you try to cast shadow blades without 30 energy

it just doesnt put the smoke cloud down

XDD

[hushed roost]

worth to use the ascendant one on just any main hand myth you can get right

[lucid jackal]

correct

so u need 60 going into blades

[hazy breach]

In 4 weeks when you get it yeah

[small sleet]

fuckin hell man

[still gazelle]

This look right for ST/light cleave?

[frank wolf]

its a slay the spire 2 angle

[hazy breach]

Which you kinda should have anyway

[hushed roost]

ngl i might just play assa tonight on reclear and hope the bug is fixed before next raid night

[hazy breach]

Ngl i didnt even notice the bug when trying on the ptr

[lucid jackal]

same

[hushed roost]

oh is it really not that bad

maybe i should actually ujust fucking try it 4Head

[stable plume]

it feels really bad until u get used to it

[woeful gyro]

Is stat prio still Mastery > Haste > Crit > Vers?

[lucid jackal]

U just have to like, be aware the bug exists

[stable plume]

instead of holding for 30 u hold for 60 energy

[small sleet]

holding for 60 directly after the opener is gonna make some people crash out i think lmao

[hazy breach]

You should already be sitting at full cp for a few seconds before blades anyway

So its like, just backstab one less time to be sure

[pure jay]

i assume we run aoe spec on shit like paladins, dragons, etc?

[small sleet]

yeah thats true

[still gazelle]

I've noticed a weird bug

[timid rose]

Just pretend you are feral waiting for enough for a FB

[livid cape]

So are we aiming for like 700 haste >1380 crit then mastery?

[still gazelle]

My sound is on, but stealthing isn't making a whooshing noise.

Anyone else notice this?

[random mason]

But i gotta use every single gcd wdym

[thin sinew]

Holy fuck does no one read pins or messages right before they post their own 💀

[fair stump]

Bump

[fleet dawn]

what caused the shift from mastery to crit?

[short radish]

[lucid jackal]

Also pro tip

DO NOT

recraft

[frank wolf]

c-c-c-commbooooo pins

[graceful osprey]

Vault gave me 3 myth cloaks….my cloak is the crafted cloak already

[lucid jackal]

first of all, we dont have that system yet

and 2, why would u do that before a weapon?

[thin sinew]

Fresh craft crit/ versa items it’s the new strat

[livid cape]

Sounds like a bonus roll

[graceful osprey]

Ready to get a cloak on bonus roll

[fair stump]

I just wanna know if I am simming correctly, because I don't know if voidforging a hero raid trinket is better than voidforging a myth dungeon trinket

[thin sinew]

Naa it’ll bug and give you gold

[livid cape]

Go into pos and get that crit verse cloak

[tawny peak]

Sorry in advance....

[lucid jackal]

it is correct in that context yes

[umbral fulcrum]

why would the sim be dropping my haste so low? this results in 605 haste rating https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/erC2AiSugoPKmZGTmDhAvJ

[lucid jackal]

But you do need to upgrade a weapon 1st

[fair stump]

Yeah, weapon comes first, that I know

[umbral fulcrum]

instead of the recommended 700

[pseudo fiber]

so NA guys, u've been testing sub in m+ already? ... are we competing with other speccs again?

[small sleet]

sim need less haste than dad with 3 kids

[fair stump]

Also, since I can't get the bis dagger for mainhand, should I just voidforge the crafted one and keep that one as mainhand?

[random mason]

Because the sim has like 50ms input delay

While you have a good amount more

[small sleet]

jokes aside, 700 haste assumes server lag and human failure that the sim doesnt account for

[still gazelle]

Are you guys running double acuity on your weapons?

Or one mastery?

[pure jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nYzF2MJvtsHoXkxvV1KLpQ

kinda surprised it wants me to take the ring, but makes sense after all the changes:

[graceful osprey]

Probably worth using bonus rolls in m+ since I believe the bonus rolls get you the myth track gear correct? My guild isn’t pushing mythic raid yet

[thin sinew]

Voidforge is 4 weeks away they blueballed us

[umbral fulcrum]

i see

thank you

[lilac stag]

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) percent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[small sleet]

^ lmao

[umbral fulcrum]

ah ok

[livid cape]

Then probably 1 charge per week.

[umbral fulcrum]

thanks i was not tapped in to the sub sim quirks

[compact spindle]

so am i royally fuked in raid for being so mastery heavy now playing tricker sub rogue?

[fair stump]

I'm still not getting bis mainhand dagger anyways, too pleb to be mythic raiding

[fair stump]

Where does that copy paste come from lol

[lilac stag]

Me

[fair stump]

No

[fair stump]

You know mandarin?

[pseudo fiber]

do we have a guideline for crit / mastery value in m+? or should i sim, once its available for EU

[jade oasis]

im very lost on what to do rn

[lilac stag]

You know Google?

[umbral fulcrum]

why would the sims not be written to behave like real players?

[short radish]

Glory to the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY干得好 we are declare war for indonesian 你被中共开除出党 are gold bots 中华business thievs中华. 公开处决 DO NOT buying glod from indonsia. you have been warninged 中华人民共和国

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal THEY GOT ME IN AND WE GOT IT FROM THE BONUS ROLL

[pure cloud]

So rotation doesn’t change really in aoe? I just get two good shuriken storms after dance?

[warm marlin]

WE ARE FREEEEEE

[short radish]

gz king

[pure jay]

so do we use crit flask now then?

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dobby-harry-potter-bitch-free-bitch-im-free-gif-18257350

[errant totem]

Maybe im shit but so far in raid this doesnt feel better or like more damage

[pure cloud]

I read the pins I’m asking clarifying questions

[fair stump]

Gratz

[left ledge]

wait

is weapon upgrade not this week

[potent nimbus]

whats causing my shadow blades sometimes to proc my smoke bomb and sometimes not 🙂

[umbral fulcrum]

no in 4 weeks

[left ledge]

wait wtf

4 weeks??

[umbral fulcrum]

dont cast under 30 energy

theres a bug

[left ledge]

that has to be ragebait

[umbral fulcrum]

no its real

[lilac stag]

Not having 30+ energy

[left ledge]

?????????

is this tier even going to last another 16 weeks

how do you upgrade wep and 2 trinkets

[umbral fulcrum]

this guy thought he was getting a 298 weapon today

[left ledge]

bro i mean

4 weeks for one upgrade

[umbral fulcrum]

i did too

[left ledge]

is wild

[hazy breach]

Presumably its not every 4 weeks

It just starts after 4 weeks

[pseudo fiber]

With Cloud Cover talented :ShadowBlades: Shadow Blades currently costs 30 energy, this is a bug. If you do not have 30 energy you will not trigger Cloud Cover.
same for law with adr... insane blizzard, les prayge the fix it fast!

[left ledge]

oh

ok

[thin sinew]

Blizz does love it’s time gating though

[left ledge]

if it just starts after 4 thats ok

16 weeks for upgrading 3 item slots wouldve been goofy af

[thin sinew]

Gotta keep the 12.0.7 raid loot viable! Obviously!

[mortal arch]

every season of tww was like 5-6 months

I would expect that to continue

[potent nimbus]

i jsut used blades at 100 eneergy and no smoke bomb

[thin sinew]

Does it do the bomb without and with a target?

[tired heart]

Looks like they broke the indicator for Ancient Arts?

[pure jay]

why'd they break the AH, I can't buy these damn crit gems

[small sleet]

you're talented into cloud cover right? lmao just checking

[pure cloud]

“For both single target and aoe - cursed opener - backstab to 7cp” does this mean I’m starting from outside stealth and backstabbing then SB?

[drifting fable]

Yo

smoke bomb doesnt proc

half the time

😂

[jade oasis]

how do i macro different level battle pots

[small sleet]

smoke bomb doesnt proc if u cast shaodw blades under 30 energy

its casting distract still

[drifting fable]

LMFAO

[brisk onyx]

[kind edge]

we need 60 energy now, to sectech and blades

[drifting fable]

So i have to build to max then wait until i have more energy lol

[compact spindle]

first we play benchwarmer class now buttons dont even work right

[drifting fable]

crazy

so boring

[west bluff]

lmao this 30 energy bug was driving me crazy

[small sleet]

yeah, build to max, wait for 60 energy

then press blades/sd/sectech

[distant sage]

can i get a reason why im not really in the loop, i know fo the changes but I dont know their realistic impact on us

[potent nimbus]

yes lmao im doing a MT 12 and just killed 2nd boss and gotten smoke bomb only twice and sued it on boss on pull and no smoke bomb

[thin sinew]

Unless you have guidons then deal with that fuckery also

[small sleet]

i havent done a dungeon yet so i havent really tested it much yet so i have no clue

[south moss]

I feel like (probably incorrectly) that for raid premed is still worth it on bosses where you lust first pull, esp if you have puzzle box. It just doesn't really seem optimal to spend a bunch of puzzle box time building CPs and waiting for energy during a lust phase

[wintry heart]

I dc'ed on the first boss in heroic raid and it saved me to the raid ❤️

[still gazelle]

Can someone confirm if stealth makes a noise or not for them lol?

[small sleet]

its not for me

lmao

[south moss]

same

lol

[granite lark]

no sound

[thin sinew]

So that’s 4 bugs so far we get to add to the list

[compact spindle]

without premed this shit genuine feel like ass

[cosmic viper]

fr

[lucid jackal]

Talent into premed then

[compact spindle]

correct

[lucid jackal]

Unless the sims are wrong, its like -100 damage

[small sleet]

sim shows as like 1200 loss for me right now, but it varies a lot with different raid buffs n shit missing

[astral axle]

Im not missing premed but I did quite like warning signs

[ivory swallow]

/macro

/macro

[astral axle]

I havent simmed to see the gain/loss from ws to pe

[lucid jackal]

warning signs is 30 damasge loss

[astral axle]

Nice thanks guy

That's awesome news

[ivory swallow]

Should we use the macro shadow dance and shuriken?

My one after this update seems a bit weird

[short radish]

it's more than 30

[charred thunder]

Do we need to dip in and out of the smoke now like outlaw does?

[short radish]

thats what im simming

[charred thunder]

oh ty

[short radish]

but im also a pbox gamer

so L to me or something

[compact spindle]

ya thats insane multiple thousands of dps loss for premed

man thats crazy

[serene notch]

my sim really loves crusader's keepsake

[thin sinew]

You just wanted to flex gaze

[lucid jackal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9fCtzfNHZ8w6XDVKVvjskz

[short radish]

yeah might be a puzzlebox thing

[serene notch]

its not that cool....its just heroic >_>

[short radish]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q5VJUjMHTPXHCs9m7ueFoW

unless i simmed wrong

[oak sorrel]

are these eyes of the eagle enchants simbait or bugged in sims or smth or are they actually just flying in out of nowhere with +1500 dps over my other ring enchants? lol

[short radish]

wait maybe i did. i was on nightly

[warm marlin]

yall are not on the new simcraft version or something

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w27sHfzg3YxDkinu9m1wKu

[south moss]

@oak sorrel eyes of the eagle is BiS

[short radish]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p4Nh4HpLjPUxe9yYk6Q4xh

yeah still same same with latest

[thin sinew]

Well max rank ones make your crits do 1.25% more damage for each

So +2.5% crit damage

[steep raven]

Is there a way I can play with raidbots before reset? (pleb from eu)

[pseudo fiber]

guess not, having the same issue

[prime field]

https://prnt.sc/K9Wj_cWZC-Eb

ptr=1 down there

[hushed roost]

how much crit/mast you guys running in m+ vs raid

[gilded ferry]

did you test out OL?

[warm marlin]

no i dont have crests to upgrade my weapon

we are in a slight predicament now

[steep raven]

ty!

[warm marlin]

i am a bit deep in crest debt

[oak sorrel]

sick

the gem that does the same thing doesn't seem to be as good

[umbral fulcrum]

do you choose to use puzzle box or do you not have a guidon?

[quaint lodge]

dont ask him that

hes traumatized

[umbral fulcrum]

oh

mb

IM SORRY

[quaint lodge]

loool

[umbral fulcrum]

I DONT LURK HERE

[quaint lodge]

hes in the depths of hell

[gilded ferry]

damn, not even a 276 one

[short radish]

brother

[tribal blade]

playing cloud cover is kinda dogshit holy hell

[short radish]

please

do you think anyone

willingly runs puzzle box

[tribal blade]

popping blades then tank decides to do a big move randomly

[steel wyvern]

XD

[short radish]

without a gun held to their head

i am being held hostage

and i cannot leave

the game will not let me

[steel wyvern]

i mean cloud cover for sure is dogwater in keys no

[potent nimbus]

there must be another bug with it, i was at 50 energy when i pop guidon then blades/technique on target dummy and no smokebomb

[short radish]

we have seen a singular guidon in normal or something

[tribal blade]

you jsut have to watch timers

[steel wyvern]

until you actually are pushing

[tribal blade]

and sit on blades tbh

[steel wyvern]

like weekly keys it is bad

[short radish]

we have recleared

every fucking week

[warm marlin]

ye i have one of those

[short radish]

I HAVE SEEN THE STUPID TRINKET

ON MY FUCKING RET PALADIN

2/2 MYTHIC VAULTS

ITS NOT EVEN GOOD FOR RET

[warm marlin]

but playing OL with that when I have a 289 mh for sub

seems a bit troll

[short radish]

BUT I TOOK IT JUST SO I COULD LOOK AT IT

[warm marlin]

what have you done nooj

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[gilded ferry]

at least you can test it out how it feels on keys, weeklies or something

[umbral fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/chiraq-lildurk-durkio-chiraqimony-gif-18480709

[gilded ferry]

by the way, it feels awful to open without premed

[compact spindle]

welcome to the cloud cover splatoon you new around here pardner?

[frigid dragon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[acoustic lodge]

Are sub and sin still neck and neck dps wise for M+

[warm marlin]

ye but it does infinite damage

[dense geode]

is there a pinned message about that or just guide stuff

[pure cloud]

Unless tank drags the mobs out of cloud right?

[brisk onyx]

This is likely just a difference in your stats configurations. My results are similar to guy's because I haven't adjusted the crit settings to higher level

[frigid dragon]

Is Sub going to be passing assassination now in raid?

[tribal blade]

this combo of blades bug and no premed is crazy

[serene notch]

is it just me or did the audio que for going into stealth go away?

[wanton mantle]

oh its def gone

lol

[steep raven]

Going from ~500 crit and ~1000 mastery to ~1000 crit and ~600 mastery (Excluding all buffs)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gbH5BQRUWW1RnAAjH6eDCT

[lucid jackal]

Premed is a 100 dps loss for me

I'm tempted to just play it

[tribal blade]

oh taht's nothing

[cosmic viper]

i am on lura, f learning the new timings

[lucid jackal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9fCtzfNHZ8w6XDVKVvjskz

[pure jay]

only 100? 👀

[marble oriole]

IM PLAYING IT

[lucid jackal]

153 to be specific

[undone cliff]

Is there a way for sims to prio the haste target?

[steep raven]

Is it bugged in sim? Maybe it procs apex in sim with premed

[marble oriole]

FK IT

[tribal blade]

with blades bug i think playing premed is the move

[tight fjord]

Double arcanoweave lining once I loot two myth weapons?

[pure jay]

what are you removing to take it?

[wanton mantle]

thats what i would be afraid of is the sim not simming it properly

[lucid jackal]

Ephemeral bond

[shrewd lantern]

hmm

windrunner spires legs

not a bad vault

[tribal blade]

talented back into premed for the vibes

[steel wyvern]

i been having crafted legs

[pure jay]

im surprised taking premed over healing increase is a dps loss

[steel wyvern]

getting this every time i try to log in

[harsh gale]

i hate the new build

[steel wyvern]

what is going on

[harsh gale]

youre desynced. something bugged you

[serene notch]

some other guldies are exp that your not alone

[harsh gale]

the auction house was doing that to me

[pure jay]

patch day fun

[sullen hare]

HOLY shit this feels like dogshit to play

[pure jay]

why is taking premed a dps loss, even if it's 100-200, thats so weird to me

[sullen hare]

premed apex bug iirc

[pure jay]

ah

[steel wyvern]

because it makes it so your first sectech doesnt benefit from apex

[tribal blade]

just found out other people can see our cloud lol

[steel wyvern]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[steep raven]

First Shadowstrik*

[steel wyvern]

^^^ This is actually huge btw

[harsh gale]

yup. i hate the new build

[serene notch]

https://klipy.com/gifs/very-nice-excellent-1

[shrewd lantern]

smol indie company

[pure jay]

ill sac 200 out of 105k dps to feel better about the opener

[steel wyvern]

both actually

[solemn sonnet]

i actually think opening with 5 backstabs feels really good to play

[sullen hare]

Are people having trouble getting apex to show up? I was just in a pug normal dragons fight and I am pretty sure one of my dances went like three shadow strikes in a row without the apex showing on the screen

[tribal blade]

i'm just gonna play premed

fuck it

[leaden thunder]

Is it weird that a lot of the vers pieces are simming higher than crit/mastery pieces for me?

[serene notch]

i think im still going to take premed....

[dense coyote]

where do i find the new opener ?

[serene notch]

not taking it feel AWFUL

[acoustic ginkgo]

when the boss is pulled from far away, do we wait on SD and cds for the boss to stop moving to maximize the cloud or its not worth holding on pull

[pure jay]

that seems to be the consensus since the dps loss is very very small

[dense coyote]

is the new opener on wowhead?

[brisk onyx]

what

[steel horizon]

i know "stat weights bad" but this crit value is nuts

[sullen hare]

are we back to either grouping wiht a shaman or just logging out for the day? holy fuck this feels awful

[harsh gale]

what do we take away for premed?

[serene notch]

bond

[short radish]

tell everyone its a defensive

[shell vector]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

we need to gaslamp the entire community

so they dont move the mobs out of it

[shrewd lantern]

these guys are not backstab spam enjoyers

[worldly coral]

how is a 8% healing increase giving a better dps then premed?

[harsh gale]

bond? but its so broken!!

[short radish]

we have a small window of opportunity here

[serene notch]

enjoy that healing then brew

[steel horizon]

bug with the apex. its in the pins

[pure cloud]

We need group gaslighting to the rest of the community that cloud cover is rogue darkness

[short radish]

yes

just start saying "smoke bomb down"

[thin sinew]

Well it kind of is. Just only for us xD

[short radish]

"oh yeah its a defensive"

which it is

[nocturne tendon]

you take the 8% cause you need something to unlock the next row pretty much

[potent walrus]

yeah why couldnty blizz just buff fazed instead of smoke i guess they like us sub rogues to really be ninjagos

[harsh gale]

that 8% healing is huge though

[lucid jackal]

Question

Could Sectec proc the apex refund before

[thin sinew]

Answer

[lucid jackal]

Or was that the bug

[jade oasis]

yeah am i goated or what im number 1 outve 0 parses

[lucid jackal]

Or was the bug just the damage

[harsh gale]

might just go outlawl anyways and just say fuck it. its #1 spec right now

[warm marlin]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[alpine wraith]

not with premed

[warm marlin]

corollary of not playing premed anymore

[alpine wraith]

but if you dont have it talented it can

[lucid jackal]

ah its cuz of premed cotcha

[undone cliff]

Is there a way to make sims target the 700 haste breakpoint?

[lucid jackal]

Im about to swap premed my vanish keeps bugging

so I cant do ss > vanish > ss > backstab

and Im just backstabbing for 10 mins

[left ledge]

aint no way nimble is down bad

[cosmic viper]

yeah thats why i swapped lol

[left ledge]

[alpine wraith]

vanish takes you out of stealth if you get hit by anything

[lucid jackal]

ill lose 100 damage idc

[pure cloud]

I’m about to just go outlaw

[alpine wraith]

so remember to vanish with gcd available so you can insta pop it

[warm marlin]

how will I know when craft thing is fixed

[plush roost]

okay gamers

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kECcUn7Y7AVjN58u8Xs2vz

what the heck happened

[dense coyote]

i used shadow blades and the smoke bomb didnt go off and im specced into it

[pure cloud]

I actually enjoy machine gunning black powder in my opener believe it or not

[jagged hamlet]

``had that happen earlier as well

[dense coyote]

is that good ?

[dense coyote]

is it broken ?

[hazy lichen]

Do i take myth track boots or the extra reroll token

[jagged hamlet]

hasnt happened since but the fact it happened at all is pretty alarming

[short radish]

[short radish]

[radiant swift]

premed pops from dance etc aswell right?

[short radish]

[small sleet]

blud u r simming sub rogue with a fist weapon

[hazy lichen]

How do i sim a reroll token 😂

[plush roost]

yeah i may have had my outlaw setup

[radiant swift]

is basicaly or was basicaly every stec in first dance just not buffed

[small sleet]

LOL

[plush roost]

but then why is it simming NaN for everything

should have insane upgrades

[radiant swift]

besides superchared

[plush roost]

!

[small sleet]

lmfao

[short radish]

sim how much boots upgrade that is. compare that to any other upgrade from m+ you could get

[brisk onyx]

for me

[short radish]

then use your own judgement to decide if you wanna gamba

[hazy lichen]

Ok when u use the token for m+ loot what ilvl is it

[short radish]

1/6

[hazy lichen]

ok

[brisk onyx]

whats wrong with me

[sullen hare]

getting 2 combo points after literal years of premeditation feels like a fucking SCAM

[hazy lichen]

also Should i take 1/6 myth boots with speed or 3/6 myth boots no speed

[shrewd lantern]

my max shadowstrike exceeded max evis

nice

[dense coyote]

i can t find in the pins where it talks about the smoke bomb not going off

[rain swift]

the opener is so cursed

[rain swift]

latest pin says, u need 30 energy

[warm marlin]

strikemaxxing

[shrewd lantern]

i mean ideally you send vanish in your sb right