subtlety

[keen dome]

I do miss having versa, yeah. But c'est la vie. We continue.

[tranquil sorrel]

I dont

vers is a stat that feels like sht

[marble comet]

hey, i asked yesterday for a logcheck cause i did a solid 13 point logg, can anyone help me?

[vale pine]

4 slots i need

[wintry heart]

I just know I’m gonna get that fuckass trinket on my first one

[warm marlin]

yeah until you have 15% free dr at all times so you aren't made of paper mache

[tulip badger]

but i dont see why, so we use more shadowstrikes? Aren't we going to use them anyway in SD?

[tranquil sorrel]

Cant wait to get anything BUT Gaze of the alnseer in mythic tonight

[woeful quartz]

I crafted a Vers Mastery neck as a temp solution until I get my bis neck.

[tranquil sorrel]

Because you use more shadowstrikes without premed

[harsh gale]

Big mistake

[dry surge]

can one of you gamers tell your dad at blizz to get the servers up faster please

[vale pine]

nexus not that good

[keen dome]

All gear is valid, if it works for you then it works for you.

[vale pine]

aa actually terrible for me

XD

[somber sun]

even if they take all day it will still have bugs in it dw

[keen dome]

I'm going to slam nexus until I have rings and also be mad about the dagger stats

[tranquil sorrel]

dude I love planting for 2 seconds on my opener !!!!!!!

[woeful quartz]

For vault.

[vale pine]

pit also not that good

so at least for me, it looks like skyreach is highest chance of upgrades

skyreach or mythic chim

[wintry heart]

It’s gonna make me pick between guidon and myth track dagger my spidey senses are tingling

[warm marlin]

/i yo

[graceful osprey]

So the new bonus loot is 100% loot? And not just 99.9% just 40 gold?

[woeful quartz]

i’m not worried about daggers ATM, I just want to replace my puzzle box.

[harsh gale]

Puzzle box is bis though

[woeful quartz]

Nope, A tier.

[wintry heart]

Bis at making me want to uninstall

[vale pine]

i have puzzle box mythic

puzzle box and guidon are both good in m+

[woeful quartz]

Puzzle box is a dps loss every time you have to cast it in raid.

[karmic harbor]

after reset is there any reason to play assa

[vale pine]

haha

[karmic harbor]

maybe paladins?

[vale pine]

preference

[karmic harbor]

ic

[vale pine]

outlaw is probably best on paladins

🙈

[karmic harbor]

ye but i dont have an outlaw weapon

[shrewd lantern]

puzzlebox

[harsh gale]

If you haven't been side gearing outlaw the whole time knowing it'll become #1 then idk what to tell you

[shrewd lantern]

the entire dps loss of.....casting a backstab

[woeful quartz]

I have outlaw weapons from raid, but I will only switch to Outlaw if it becomes the bis rogue spec of the tier.

[shrewd lantern]

unironically it would feel worse if sub actually did damage outside dances

[wintry heart]

Outlaw could be the best spec in the game and I’ll never play it

[deft oar]

fuu, do you have a sim running premed instead? the diff seems negligible on my end

[karmic harbor]

when outlaw can use 2 daggers ill play it

[small vortex]

i just dont wanna use box anymore boss...

[shrewd lantern]

isnt it allegedly better on beloren

[small vortex]

probably

more dmg = more deader boss

[wraith sphinx]

Gloomblade spam S2 of df, that was a dark time

[shrewd lantern]

ok we dont talk about that season

[crystal bone]

nice, unholy buffed btw

[shrewd lantern]

that was more braindead than current sub

[vale pine]

dev buffed, deserved after they ended up last on the wcl statistics

[swift tinsel]

I miss dev s2 from LOU

[tawny peak]

I play a little BM hunter and its interesting how terrible the quick cool downs feel in that spec versus how good they feel in sub.

[swift tinsel]

and the omega orbital cannon Engulfs

[vale pine]

as you see here

they rly needed this buff

[dry surge]

hunter op??

[somber sun]

always was wdym

that and dh can run any tomfoolery build and still outdps your bis setup

I don't know if its just me but every class has a spec that performs very well, except uhh

[shrewd lantern]

well yeah if your cd is always up

it doesnt do much while its up

[swift tinsel]

don't BM quick cooldowns not actually change how you play at all

they just make your pets do more stuff/summon dire beasts that do stuff

[hard trellis]

!TALENTS

[tawny peak]

That too.

[hard trellis]

gg

[swift tinsel]

so I could 100% see them not feeling that satisfying to press gameplay-wise

[lilac stag]

[swift tinsel]

that's actually one of the things that's kept me averse of BM besides...everything about it lol

I like having two big badass amani birds though

and Black Arrow feels nice to press

[fading saffron]

is the plan for any intermission bosses, play sub, any thing with higher boss uptime, combat?

or am i missing something

[keen dome]

what's the spoiler

[orchid laurel]

now show dmg done to bosses only

✌️

its a st buff

ofc aoe is buffed thats how the spec works

[dusky yacht]

💀

[orchid laurel]

all their abilities are aoe

💀

[vale pine]

thats how subtlety worked too in the past^^

just saying

[orchid laurel]

unlucky

go reroll

[keen dome]

nah, sub is great

be strong, be purple

[dusky yacht]

So top overall and mid ST

[orchid laurel]

yeah

[dusky yacht]

Time for a buff

[orchid laurel]

so st target buff isnt bad

also they are catering for the majority of the playerbase

not the 95 percentile

[dusky yacht]

Which justifies exactly nothing

[orchid laurel]

Majority of dev players are ass

since they are mostly melee players converting

[fair stump]

at that point, why not delete the spec if that's the justification

[dusky yacht]

Lets all just play paladins they're 13% right

[orchid laurel]

Makes no sense

Why would they not cater for the overall

on the brand new spec

[fast garnet]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[void ocean]

these players suck, lets buff them so much so even the worst one can top the meters

[dusky yacht]

So you do admit you're being catered to

[orchid laurel]

if the community isnt enjoying it they are gonna buff it

no

[dusky yacht]

You just said you are

[orchid laurel]

I agree the buffs are too much

[dusky yacht]

I rest my case

[orchid laurel]

But mainly because we have insane dps gain bugs

[magic coral]

what would you do if you were still #4 in group dps despite throwing the overal for prio to finish the boss and an officer hits you with one of these.

[void ocean]

this looks like a lot of text

[fair stump]

tl;dr?

[dusky yacht]

Switch guilds

[magic coral]

tldr way to much effort into a nothing burger

[vale pine]

siri, please read the wall of text for me and reduce it to 1-2 scentences

[magic coral]

😆

[vale pine]

or is it alexa?

[dusky yacht]

"Do more dps"

[void ocean]

siri?

dunno why I should ask a pornstar for an opinion

[magic coral]

"use these talents" I was, padd more "but we needed prio dmg" use more haste "im at haste breakpoint"......

[vale pine]

i haven't kept up with the "whos the best assistent" now

its between grok, siri, google and alexa

i assume

[sand ore]

[void ocean]

cortana

[vale pine]

oh true cortana exists too

[fading saffron]

ngl, being that much of a "guy" on myth boss #1 is kinda poopy - tell him to get bent

[vale pine]

but isn't that one renamed to copilot?

[void ocean]

could be

never used cortana

[magic coral]

his dmg was a lot lower than mine too and he had the audacity 😆

[tawny peak]

Copilot would recommend more vers, or c possibly a strength trinket.

[swift tinsel]

now that I've conquered Delves its my time to take over Abyss Anglers

[vale pine]

alright, important question

right or left

[swift tinsel]

right

[fading saffron]

right

[wintry heart]

Right

[vale pine]

haha, guess its not that hard to decide

[swift tinsel]

fuu voting for both smh

[red flame]

People who don’t play rogue trying to advise a rogue main how to play rogue holy

[vale pine]

smoke bomb icon looks clean tbh

[wintry heart]

One time in raid I got lectured by a non rogue about my shiv usage

[vale pine]

so not too bad

[hushed roost]

Does 12.0.5 change haste breakpoints at all?

[vale pine]

nope

alright

[swift tinsel]

yeah I kinda like both but the Distract icon kinda brings it down for me

[formal marlin]

Are we just upgrading dagger to 298 even though outlaw might be better? Aren't we kinda locked out of outlaw then?

[hushed roost]

So just crit value gets a bit more important

wonderful

[red flame]

Hell yea it does

I’d use it asap

[swift tinsel]

pepe is the man

[red flame]

I think the one I’d want the most tho is ss

I’d use that shi expeditiously

[swift tinsel]

nightblade icon when

[red flame]

Fr tho

[keen dome]

gloomblade baseline when

[vale pine]

well

[red flame]

Yes

Just delete backstab & replace w gloomblade

Idk why tf it’s a talent

[vale pine]

#subtlety message

get your cloud cover role

[lilac stag]

First

[swift tinsel]

ahhh I want both coup and cloud cover

[wintry heart]

I hope it worked

Hell yeah

[fading saffron]

gaming

[dry surge]

is it live

wait

[warm marlin]

if i take cloud cover i lose kir/sc

[lilac stag]

@vale pine thankyou

[dry surge]

test

[warm marlin]

and it reminds me of better days

[dry surge]

we're so bacjk

[stoic anchor]

it's just a cute emote i can't even

[sharp ravine]

[fading saffron]

[wintry heart]

Me when some tank complains about my smoke bomb

[swift tinsel]

though cloud cover is our new burst overlord and I do like burst

[lilac stag]

Change next week when you’re off outlaw hopium

[swift tinsel]

also

[shadow monolith]

I just got another 80 mythic crests, already have a mythic dagger crafted. Should I go and get a sword for outlaw or something for sub?

[lime pollen]

[swift tinsel]

if we catch strays bc of outlaw getting 13% from cloud cover

I will be so mad

[vale pine]

its also a distraction

[wintry heart]

Just delete outlaw

[lilac stag]

Nerf AR ez

[vale pine]

first time you will use it in raid

people will be super confused

[swift tinsel]

lmao I already pre-warned our tanks

[vale pine]

"whats that shit on the floor"

[swift tinsel]

which means they will deliberaly Heroic Leap out of it

[lilac stag]

I’m letting them be surprised

[upper narwhal]

Swapping to outlaw for maximum cloud uptime to tilt the raid

[lilac stag]

I can’t wait

[swift tinsel]

Imma tell them its a group DR

[trail bison]

i thought it only shows for you?

[red flame]

Same fr

[swift tinsel]

"stay in the cloud for DR or you're dumb"

[red flame]

I told our other officers I can’t wait to terrorize the raid every 90secs w Cloud Cover

[upper narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[lilac stag]

Hopefully we are the reason bliz finally fixes turning down other spell effects

[swift tinsel]

some of them have it though which is weird

[stoic anchor]

"Why is this lobby so hard ,everyone's so good here wth" whazz and rexona 💀 1900 cr. Hey mom i'm on stream
that's why you hide names in arena so you're not intimidated by who u face

[swift tinsel]

like I mentioned the other day, arcane orbs look like lil blips on my screen but if I'm on my mage they're orby as fuck

[winter current]

Isn't there a "bandaid" fix in graphics for this? Reduces effects for other players?

[lilac stag]

Their shit never worked right

[swift tinsel]

even with Show Everything it doesn't always Show Everything

y

ye

its a mess

[rustic mortar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winter current]

I see. I turned whatever that setting was down anyways

[lilac stag]

and if you lower spell density it fucks with raid mechanics

[red flame]

I always keep spell density maxed

[swift tinsel]

yeah its bungled

[lilac stag]

Essential spells works…. Except every player spell is essential.

[winter current]

Yeah, I have essential set for personal or whatever it is. I don't have much issues with other people's effects, but visual clarity is garbage when blizz keeps putting purple on purple

[swift tinsel]

so you can Void while you Void

[red flame]

Purple on purple is so fkn real

[lilac stag]

Now try playing as a person with visual impairment.

[winter current]

I have a brain impairment so I feel you

[swift tinsel]

was like Nathria with red swirlies under Ashen before they changed swirly graphics

[obsidian crag]

Do we have a clip of the smoke being used?

[lilac stag]

Play ret or bm

[wintry heart]

Buddy we all do

[red flame]

I’ve unironically died to vorasius tank slam an embarrassing amount of times bc it just kind of blends in w the floor & the clusterfuck of spells
(Also I tunnel vision sometimes especially on easy bosses)

[nova dew]

guys is puzzle box better than guidon in m+?

[final gulch]

can you guys go complain about the outlaw buffs in outlaw channel, these guys are free ragebait

they got me kickin my feet

[red flame]

Can’t wait to Cloud Cover on that boss

[obsidian crag]

I knew it

[karmic harbor]

wait

it outlaw just the best spec now?

[final gulch]

yes

[winter current]

Isn't it still mob capped

[final gulch]

ye but doesnt matter rly

[drifting ether]

Oh wait other people can see our cloud cover? 😂

[lucid jackal]

Outlaw still has inherent weaknesses, being 10% better than sub doesn't really matter on a fight lke beloren

[raw frost]

I think all rogues are prwtty much even noq

Now"

[swift tinsel]

I'm becoming an outlaw truther in keys at least

[wintry heart]

It’s also outlaw

That in itself is like a 10% debuff

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/tag-gif-367413152327750712

[final gulch]

ima be playing outlaw prob, ill wait 1 week to see if the changes stay tho before i craft wep

[swift tinsel]

RP walking while Miss Fortune ulting people

if only it hurt them

[warm stratus]

imagine accusing ppl of making shit up while you are making shit up yourself lol

[final gulch]

this is true yea

[trail bison]

[final gulch]

not having burst still fucks you on fights like bird or big damage amps

[drifting ether]

So Ive got a 2nd sub rogue in our prog team do yous think ill get the buff if im in his aswell

[swift tinsel]

we only accept Mafic forum screenshots here

[warm stratus]

lol mafic

aye mb

[marble path]

with how dogshit blizzard is its worth testing lowk

[swift tinsel]

he roleplays as a pvper and he's dedicated as fuckkkkkk

haven't been on forums in a while, should peruse

[keen dome]

actually sub is S tier, Assa is A tier.

[drifting ether]

Gonna test it out could be interesting 🧐

[marble path]

what about for l’ura though…

surely sub is still better

surely

[lucid jackal]

I think if you can play outlaw, outlaw would be better

Play/have gear for it

[warm stratus]

sure mate

[keen dome]

it is

[marble path]

none gear gg

[keen dome]

I am factually correct that Sub is S tier, and Assa is A tier.

You cannot dispute this

[warm stratus]

sub is s tier in m+ ok

[keen dome]

No, it's pure S tier

[red flame]

Sub will always be S tier in my heart 🖤

[lofty tundra]

whats the cd on the cloud cover?

[red flame]

Shadow Blades

[warm stratus]

sure mate

[keen dome]

Back me up, @swift tinsel, sub is S tier, right

[wet robin]

mate kid champ bud

[red flame]

Bucko

[hazy breach]

ol sport lad

[somber sun]

is the vorasius dagger any good if I still don't have access to the off hand bis one ?

[shadow lance]

I got the joke

[warm stratus]

lil bro

[swift tinsel]

sub S tier, assassination A tier, outlaw no ranking

as is tradition

[keen dome]

Yep

[hazy breach]

Yes you just always want the highest ilvl possible

[keen dome]

Indisputable

[winter current]

Outlaw is O tier

[hazy breach]

Secondary stats are, as the name suggests, secondary

[shadow lance]

0 tier*

[hazy breach]

To just have the highest ilvl

[keen dome]

Outlaw isn't good enough to be on the tier list

[red flame]

So real

[keen dome]

Now if it was still called Combat, it'd be a firm C tier

[winter current]

You guys don't wanna roll the bones?

[red flame]

Sub > every other spec

[swift tinsel]

true real and actually

[red flame]

Objectively

[swift tinsel]

new rtb is nice

since you're barely ever at 1roll

[red flame]

Ong

Combat > Outlaw

[grizzled bay]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[somber sun]

thanks man

alr alr

[winter current]

I'd give it a go if I didn't have 2 myth track daggers, but I'm sure it won't be as fun as sub

[charred thunder]

So sub rogue gained 6%, is that because of deathstalker changes or other talent changes?

[warm stratus]

trickster

[keen dome]

Because of the change to Cloud Cover 🙂

[violet kiln]

im not a huge fan of outlaw gameplay or id maybe swap

[keen dome]

It's a very impactful burst change for us.

But it doesn't change Sub being S-tier.

[red flame]

Makes us S+ tier

[charred thunder]

I was playing 'sin for a minute becuase the damage was so much more consistent/steady, but this is for sure enough to switch back

[keen dome]

But we're not called Ssubtlety

[warm stratus]

you are such a funny clown and its not getting old already lil bro

[charred thunder]

Because a 6% gain isn't even competitive anymore

[warm stratus]

sub will still be 20% behind actually good specs in m+ so habe fun

[red flame]

It would be if they’d have given us Sethrak instead of fkn Vulpera

[keen dome]

Damn, that's true

a Sethrak Sub rogue would be a Sssss tier

[red flame]

Hell yeah it would

https://tenor.com/view/stealth-snake-hidden-sneak-sneaky-gif-19645540

[fast dome]

its S tier in delves. 1hr tricks on heal Valeera, and just murder everything.

😉

[warm stratus]

dps valeera

[fast dome]

nah

[warm stratus]

heal valeera lmao

[fast dome]

not needed

shes a great tank

[warm stratus]

well if you wanna stay in fun delves longer all power to you my guy

[fast dome]

and ur dps kills everything insanely quick anyways

[frail wasp]

Hee guys, how are my stats. any advice <3?

[warm stratus]

dps valeera is best tank

[red flame]

Someone send the stats gif plz

[lilac stag]

Get ilvl

[keen dome]

Those sure are some stats. Just get 700~ haste then stack mastery/crit. That's all there is to it 🙂

[fast dome]

"look at me with my 272 ilevel"

[half comet]

Is the upgrade weapon/trink thing out immediately or just the reroll

[frail wasp]

272 is nothing. was just wondering since im new to rogue

[ripe flame]

unclear

[keen dome]

Reroll should be immediate. The upgrade item is we'll known when the US guys login.

[half comet]

Ty

[hushed roost]

are those separate charges?

[keen dome]

Yes

[earnest prairie]

One is an item that drops from content(upgrade item), other comes from the guy in voidstorm

[keen dome]

They are two different items. Bonus rolls are one system. upgrade items are another.

[hushed roost]

dude its like christmas eve

[wanton mantle]

Anybody happen to sim 285 gaze vs 298 flare for sub? I see someone did for assass and im at work lol

[red flame]

As long as I don’t have a fucked vault today is a good day

[fast dome]

you just jinx'd yourself

enjoy your scuffed vault

[red flame]

Nothing new here

I’ll take an extra bonus roll

[keen dome]

Gazes for all. Believe.

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna have the BIGGEST Krik's Beetle Stabber

[red flame]

Hey that’s what I got last week

[fast dome]

I basically can't have a bad vault. Just started midnight late, so I'm only 257 rn. Literally did my first +10's last night. My vault is 100% gonna be awesome.

[wintry heart]

My wife said mines perfect so

[swift tinsel]

the 2h'ers scare me

[thorny kestrel]

we going sub now or is outlaw destroying more with new talent

[wintry heart]

Why would you put this in the air

[void nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766349238941777931/1131266466289819779/caption.gif

[fast dome]

😄

[marble path]

no gaze and no mythic wep still dw man

[keen dome]

Sub 4 life

[marble path]

and im the only rogue

not 1 vorasius dagger

[still gazelle]

Are M+ and Raid stats substantially different in this patch once you hit 700 haste?

[fast dome]

I did a +10 POS yesterday so incoming Krick's Mythic.

[red flame]

My 🐐

[keen dome]

I imagine it's pretty much'a' muchness but ST benefits more from Cirt and AoE from mastery. but you want both for both.

[fast dome]

tempts fate

[void nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[red flame]

I’m super hoping for the hero Gaze or myth PSB

[keen dome]

I'm gonna get a myth gaze so I don't have to rekill it this week

[still gazelle]

Yeah. I primarily do keys, so I want to optimize for one without taking away too much from the other or needing two sets of min maxed gear.

[red flame]

I’d say voidsong chain too but we haven’t killed crown hc yet

[keen dome]

1/13 chance to pull it from vault.

[red flame]

This week fs

[frank wolf]

The maintenance is taking 8 hours because they’re going through the ravenholdt members list to make sure we all have gaze

[keen dome]

Get 700~ haste. Then just stack crit/mastery as much as possible. Maybe sim the dif on flasks but it's probably not gonna matter a lot

[red flame]

[keen dome]

[vale pine]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[solar glen]

Is the TBC Whetstone still a Thing as rogue? Or its fixed? I cant sim it 🙁

[hazy breach]

Still a thing (havent double checked in .5 though)

Not implemented in simc

[swift tinsel]

can't wait to be an Abyss Anglers/Decor Duel main

[fair phoenix]

[swift tinsel]

I need that void bee

[vale pine]

na beta testers can tell us once its live

[swift tinsel]

and capybara in a bubble

[fair phoenix]

imagine new upgrade system make hc trinket to 298

lolol

[keen dome]

I'm excited to play Diablo in a week

[fading saffron]

i cant wait to waste all of my bonus roles on Chim to hope for Gaze and get 40g every time

[keen dome]

Don't worry, you'll always get an item

[swift tinsel]

good thing you can only get gear

[wintry heart]

I don’t think that’s possible

[keen dome]

So the good news is you'll always get an item. The bad news is you might get snot trinket.

[dusky verge]

thats the 40 g unless he D/Es

[fading saffron]

if theres a will, theres a way

40g stonks are on the rise

heard it here first

[frank wolf]

Bro said everytime the max it can happen is twice

[fading saffron]

limit testing

[frank wolf]

[simple locust]

do the ascendant cores drop already? asking the na guys

[wintry heart]

Servers aren’t up

[hazy breach]

NA servers aint up yet

[lusty acorn]

How is this work

[forest moss]

do we recraft items stats? I currently have mastery + haste

[simple locust]

oh alright then, keep your secrets🕵️‍♂️

[hollow spear]

So no?

[wintry heart]

Technically you’re correct which is the best kind

[fathom pendant]

is there a priority list for today bonus rolls?

[hollow spear]

Exactly!

[lucid jackal]

The wowhead bis gear page should have a section for it for every spec

[wintry heart]

1. Whatever you need the most
2. Whatever you don’t need

[lucid jackal]

Idk if fuu made an asterisk! But don't bonus roll heroic raid

[vale pine]

first pin, any guide should have one too

but it will depend on what you need

[fathom pendant]

ty checking the pin now

[wintry heart]

Well there goes all my plans

[vale pine]

e.g. i checked earlier where i can get upgrades

[swift tinsel]

4 more hours of maintenance

[keen dome]

damn

[vale pine]

and its between skyreach and mythic chimera for me

[swift tinsel]

maybe we luck out and its early

[vale pine]

unsure which one i want

[eager latch]

will SIMC reflect the higher valuation of crit?

[wintry heart]

Pit and skyreach are my best options weak 1

[swift tinsel]

I'm still hunting for myth wep and a ring so its pit roll for me atm

[proud burrow]

The weapon and trinket upgrades are they also today? Can’t seem to find the info on wowhead but maybe I’m just dumb

[eager latch]

for potential recrafts and shit

[vale pine]

raid only has a 25% chance to give me trinket

[swift tinsel]

well, 2x rings

[vale pine]

while skyreach has 4/6 pieces that at least are a stat upgrade

[swift tinsel]

once we do myth chim and first 2x bosses I'll be doing vora and chim likely

depending how things go

[lucid jackal]

Pit of saron has a lot of good loot

[swift tinsel]

ye pit is my #1

[wanton mantle]

So! If we dont mythic raid we dont wanna bonus roll for hero gaze and instead shoot for mythic flare

[swift tinsel]

dagger, ring, neck, legs

all pretty bigly

[vale pine]

pit/skyreach have rly good loot

[keen dome]

smh not believing in the power of NEXUS SET BONUS RINGS

I believeee

[olive canyon]

Pit is just the one. Ill get guidon eventually

[swift tinsel]

I might be a solarflare prism believer

[vale pine]

aa has decent loot too and puzzle box, which is a decent alternative to guidon (tho guidon is better)

[swift tinsel]

but even hc gaze is so good

[wintry heart]

Yeah my sims say Pit or Reach

[eager latch]

skyreach is good for the outlaw trinket as well

[vale pine]

nexus is fine too

[eager latch]

prism bangs

[vale pine]

but nexus has not much outside of rings for me

[north schooner]

head shoulders knees and toes

[vale pine]

but as mentioned, it will highly depend on what you have

[swift tinsel]

could use new knees ngl

[waxen viper]

with cloud cover getting changed from the stacks being 2 instead of 3 now how much of a dps gain is this actually going to be for us now?

[vale pine]

so might just look at what you can get in dropoptimizer

and decide based on that

[wintry heart]

Same

[swift tinsel]

years of soccer and skating took their toll

and also car accident lol

[wanton mantle]

Do we think every comes back to sub with the change 🤣

[civic vale]

any stat changes for the new talent builds? or its the same?

[wicked wadi]

should I be flasking haste if I'm only @ 625 unbuffed for keys? I have mythic puzzle box, no guidon.

[swift tinsel]

sub getting big burst back is quite appealing

[wintry heart]

Yes

[vale pine]

[keen dome]

🫂

[fair phoenix]

u have guidon fuu ?>_<

[frank wolf]

Crit valued higher in ST, not much else

[fair phoenix]

i hope u get on ur vault

[vale pine]

yes

i got it last kill

🙂

[swift tinsel]

its mostly fine, just have to be mindful when doing compound movements in the gym

lol

[vale pine]

other guidon users ended up not here

so i was lucky

was only between me and a tank

[wanton mantle]

I don't think weve even had a guidon drop in my raid

[swift tinsel]

I'm def gonna win a myth guidon if one ever drops (if we ever kill boss)

[earnest prairie]

So with these new changes do we play sub on somewhat ST bosses and anything with extended cleave outlaw? Or is it too early to tell xD?

[nova dew]

hey guys guidon vs puzzle box on sub for m+, which is better?

[swift tinsel]

I personally like guidon for Big Boss Damage

[wintry heart]

As a professional puzzle box hater guidon

[swift tinsel]

but that's just me

[vale pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035163024480276640/1495101632759730388/puzzle_box_1.gif

[nova dew]

eh i dont mind its use tbh got used to it

[swift tinsel]

I lean towards being a boss killer over big aoe overall dmg

[dense geode]

shit dies way to fast to play outlaw in raid for the most part

[nova dew]

but big numbers make me go oogly boogly

[swift tinsel]

lots of specs struggle with st when in aoe builds but I like doing really good st when in m+ spec

[lucid jackal]

Realistically speaking u play outlaw on everything

[swift tinsel]

Propagandist

[lucid jackal]

Sub on maybe saladar? Probably alleria and beloren

[vale pine]

i also got this, quite good for trickster with cloud cover

[wintry heart]

Okay pretend I’m 32 with 3 kids

[vale pine]

sub on baloren for sure

outside of that

it seems whatever

[tulip light]

does trickster still have raid wide parry removal?

[wicked wadi]

I hate using box when it showed up in my vault on mythic I had to take it. Pretty fun in keys

[dense geode]

outlaw on paladins and dragons seems pretty fun

[lucid jackal]

Nop

[hazy breach]

No

[tulip light]

@lucid jackal what makes sub the go to on alleria in your opinion

[lucid jackal]

Downtime bad for outlaw

Burst good

Outlaw burst good

[tulip light]

and compared to assa?

[steel zinc]

assa kekw

assa was already a bit behind and now its just more behind

[spice kelp]

wait so with these buffs is Outlaw looking to be the new top rogue at the bottom of the overall meters? lol

[dense geode]

the timing for sin on alleria feels really bad.

[steel zinc]

just play sub everywhere

[lucid jackal]

Assa and sub were similar. Sub got a 6% buff

Simple magb

[frank wolf]

Outlaw is playing trickster though

gameplay

[steel zinc]

I see no reason to play outlaw on lura except forever guy does it then I have to

[tulip light]

i feel like *sub suffers more from random mechanics during dance etc. whereas assa just afk bleeds up and has decent 2min timing imo

[steel zinc]

your gonna switch guy?

[dense geode]

You have to hold 2m for a pretty long time from p1 to p2 anything afterwards is okay though

[tropic field]

Is the 13% outlaw buff insane or will sub still be viable?

[dense geode]

yea the random mechs during dance do hurt though

[wintry heart]

If you’re not a rank 1 raider every class is viable

[steel zinc]

its now top tier spec on paladins

[long cape]

Hello all 😄 tommorow is the change? 😄

[steel zinc]

like top 5 minimum

[tropic field]

Okey

[lucid jackal]

I won't be because I don't have it prepped

[steel zinc]

depending on the level you raid its kinda griefing but yeah

[lucid jackal]

I wish I could tho

[steel zinc]

Ok so I can just play sub

The new smoke bomb animation when we enter cds imo is goated

good flavor

[dense geode]

believe it or not

it was always there on the other talent

but no one played it lol

[tropic field]

How big is the cloud?

[lucid jackal]

As big as distract

[steel zinc]

very big

[lucid jackal]

Huge

[tropic field]

Oh nice

[lucid jackal]

Cloud in the right

[fair phoenix]

OPOP GIGA BOOM DMG A LOT E . island

[steel zinc]

true yes

[nocturne scroll]

More like cloud formation then a cloud

[swift tinsel]

don't the buffs to outlaw put it where ddh is pre-buffs?

[steel zinc]

imagine you had now another hero talent that would say increases chance to dodge in cloud

[fair phoenix]

i cannot say what it seems but is a good space lol

[raw frost]

Its huge xd

[obsidian crag]

my raid lead will love this

[uncut monolith]

how make rogues stop playing sub = make annoying Cloud

[still gazelle]

With subtlety do you have to dip in and out of it like I think I read outlaw does?

[steel zinc]

how far on prog are you? We will probably kill the bird this week. I hope you kill it this reset lura

[swift tinsel]

surely blizz wouldn't make a ground effect visually obtrusive for others

[still gazelle]

Or just play normally?

[wintry heart]

Wdym I’m gonna grief our mages with this

[lucid jackal]

Starting p3

[steel zinc]

ok you got this

[steel zinc]

no why would you?

You have it for basically 20 sec

[tulip light]

seems like everyone in the raid sees it. some upset peeps inc 😂

[wintry heart]

You can dip out if needed

[steel zinc]

tbh thats a good thing. Its basically wild spirits from the hunter in shadowlands

If you move out the stuff from the cloud your tank sucks or your planing of cds sucks

[swift tinsel]

how high up does the smoke cloud go

[steel zinc]

You mean how high can you get from the smoke? 😄

I see what you did there

[swift tinsel]

[wintry heart]

Cloud cover with shadow circle potion. Cursed technique inc

[swift tinsel]

those pots are banned in our raid lol

[eager latch]

LMAO

can other players see it?>

[fair phoenix]

Imagine instead of drop smoke on ground we smoke and make clouds

[swift tinsel]

I would like to become the smoke cloud

^ me but purple

[raw frost]

Guys

Do you always use shadow dance with sectec on macro

I mean at pull

[dusky yacht]

There's no way it's coincidental that it was just 4/20 and this happens right

[eager latch]

wish you could change it to a shade of green

[dusky yacht]

tmog cloud cover when

[swift tinsel]

glyphs about to go so hard

[eager latch]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-walking-with-green-cloud-green-cloud-fart-green-flare-guy-walking-gif-3522591878388276922

[swift tinsel]

if blizz remembers they exist

[lucid jackal]

Yes

[fair phoenix]

Zerocool prob main it

[swift tinsel]

do you know if its 1:1 from rogue pov to others pov

or do they see reduced effect

[dusky yacht]

Bro imagine if this impairs visibility of mechanics or something and people die from it LOL

[chrome palm]

I tested it in raid and no one saw it, outside of raid someone could see it

[vale osprey]

They gotta bring back that shit where we could put emotes in say chats so I can drop my cloud and have the ayyylmao smoking alien come up

[dusky yacht]

Oh sweet

[swift tinsel]

oh very interesting

[chrome palm]

So idk

[swift tinsel]

that's pretty baller

[graceful osprey]

We got substitution jutsu now?

https://tenor.com/view/substituir-kakashi-hatake-naruto-clássico-gif-18550808

[swift tinsel]

I mean realistically as long as you can see it and you didn't grief where you dropped it it doesn't matter if others see it

[chrome palm]

But it would be awful if that showed up for everyone on Lura or alleria

[swift tinsel]

outside of it being annoying

[lucid jackal]

This was in the world with Eleem

[dusky yacht]

Can I get sharingan and copy other class abilities please

[swift tinsel]

oh shi

[obsidian crag]

man, omg, thats awful

[swift tinsel]

also please pray that crafted bug in chat isn't live lmao

[halcyon roost]

Does the cloud buff other trickster rogues

[lucid jackal]

But instances have different rules sometimes

[halcyon roost]

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[long cape]

Is it going to be very different of the gamestyle with the new update?

[swift tinsel]

and if messer said no one saw his in raid that's sick

last thing I want is a tank to see it and beeline out

[wintry heart]

Hit shadowblades, stand in cloud, do big dam

[lucid jackal]

Not really no

[gilded ferry]

creating a macro with blades/adr to yell "THIS SMOKE IS MY BUFF NOT A THREAT"

[fading saffron]

biggest change is just the cursed backstab CP generating, since we no longer take premed

[graceful osprey]

We could copy convoke and spam tons of secret tech

[pallid mist]

Can someone help me with sub rogue? I can’t seem to figure out single target. I keep up fine in M+, but I’ve tried raiding and I’m just putting up terrible dps. Kinda stumped.

[long cape]

Noiceeeeeeeeeeee! 😄

[vast dust]

Omg…..that’s ummmm…..a whole lotta smoke.

[wanton mantle]

Lemme macro "smoke em if ya got em" with shadowblades lol

[vast dust]

Seriously

[graceful rock]

The smoke bomb on NK beams

[wanton mantle]

Gonna suck on first pull of AA tho

[vast dust]

Wait, will the whole raid get covered with our smoke in melee?!?! This is going to be interesting lol

[graceful rock]

I doubt it happens in raid

[swift tinsel]

ye just kinda gotta pray your tank doesn't run all over the place and can kinda keep things deathballed near where you dropped cloud

[vast dust]

“Doubt” is a strong word with Blizz lol

[swift tinsel]

but hey, now there's an element of skill expression

[graceful rock]

I feel like big visuals like that are very consistent

[swift tinsel]

or just ask your healer to plant in your cloud so you can step in and step out lmao

[vast dust]

Like it wasn’t hard enough to see puddles in melee already lol

[swift tinsel]

I mean tbf the effect doesn't look like it would obsure that much unless its a pure white swirl and even then that would contrast with the grey of the smoke

[spiral needle]

It can already be hard to see your feet as a melee on some fights, it certainly isn't going to help

[dusky yacht]

[frank wolf]

Smoke bomb is 1000% guaranteed to make me step into freeze trap by windrunner lynx add

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/chicken-suspicious-despicable-me-WiVvi66FqT2bpym6R8

Us trying to find a way to call this a nerf

[frank wolf]

Im kidding I was already stepping into that trap on cd 💯

[vast dust]

Def going to cause some mass confusion for a bit if all players “get the smoke”

[frank wolf]

Blizzard loves an indoor first person wow dungeon ffs

[spiral needle]

Looking forward to pug tanks thinking its bad and running mobs away from it if they can see it

[vast dust]

For SURE happening

Nobody reads the Rogue patch notes lol

‘Cept us

[vast dust]

This is good news. Missed this. So not showing in Raid but maybe Myth+

?

[sick stratus]

so what's the play, fellas? do i need to get my mastery back up after dumping into crit for assa

[vast dust]

Nah. Live some Crit life for a bit

[spiral needle]

let the robot tell you

[sick stratus]

im reading the patch notes rn

[spiral needle]

funny that crit/haste became good for all 3 specs at the same time atleast

[sick stratus]

oh we hotboxxing the hallway in magister's

[vast dust]

Blizz should have moved the patch back a day to 4/20 in our honor

[lilac stag]

Woah. Another “Buff”

MYTHIC+
Enemies will now avoid targeting stealthed players with magic bolts and abilities like Shoot.

[sick stratus]

that's huge.

[gilded ferry]

maybe that keeps me from getting unstealthed from pack to pack

[magic coral]

wonder if itll bug out and not target people during shadow dance lol

[lilac stag]

Should be combat triggered

[wicked bear]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[solemn isle]

holy sub d slice

going nutso

[honest basin]

mine's gonna say "POCKET SAND!"

[sick stratus]

pocket fent

[hollow quest]

Might steal

[sick stratus]

we had black powder now we have white powder

[hybrid forge]

rip spec

go outlaw

[craggy thunder]

u think outlaw is the way to go now?

[hybrid forge]

the smoke bomb sucks

[wanton mantle]

No outlaw still sucks to play period

[wanton mantle]

Will not be macroing white powder into my shadowblades lol

[wintry heart]

Yes the answer is to play outlaw where the smoke bomb is up more

[swift tinsel]

saving this

[lucid jackal]

Got some bad news brother

[lucid jackal]

we are 1 typo away from something dangerous

[hybrid forge]

90% of the keys have chain pulls.

go outlaw brothers

[gilded ferry]

So?

[lucid jackal]

Bro is casting blades while chainpulling

[swift tinsel]

if only there was a persisting buff you get from leaving the cloud

[lucid jackal]

What is bro doing ⁉️

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-gif-5070419839235093140

[solemn isle]

outlaw is also playing the cloud bud

in fact it is worse because you send AR constantly

[swift tinsel]

also most comps have casters carrying damage

[wanton mantle]

I play rogue, i live dangerously. 🤣

[swift tinsel]

too much movement borks them

[warm marlin]

phys comp will rise

ascend brothers

[gilded ferry]

imagine casting the cd while still grouping mobs

[swift tinsel]

[solemn isle]

trickster outlaw is so cursed even without the cloud

[swift tinsel]

yeah then they can't see me coming

[solemn isle]

killing spree is the worst

[lucid jackal]

Arms Outlaw and UDK getting a buff on the same reset

[lilac stag]

arms prio dmg 📈

[warm marlin]

do not look farover boss damage in their keys

with arms getting a funnel buff

[swift tinsel]

huehuehue

[gilded ferry]

warrior always finds a way to sneak in the top logs

[warm marlin]

[gilded ferry]

https://klipy.com/gifs/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-fed-up-1

[lilac stag]

we love our arms brothers

[swift tinsel]

real phoenix story from the start of the tier

[lucid jackal]

Turns out getting 4% buffs every single week makes your spec good

[swift tinsel]

lmao right

who could have imagined

[lilac stag]

did rshaman get buffed?

[swift tinsel]

ye

[wanton mantle]

Yes

[swift tinsel]

8% healing buff 30% dmg buff

[lilac stag]

perfect

Melee comp 📈

[swift tinsel]

brm got a dmg buff too and the babiest defensive nerf

still reign supreme

feral is feral

[wintry heart]

@teal prawn

[warm marlin]

honestly forgot about that

crazy stuff

[swift tinsel]

yeah they had the most insane glowup

[swift tinsel]

hey I didn't say feral is feral (derogatory)

[wintry heart]

No but I am

[keen dome]

feral is cat

cats are cool

[swift tinsel]

true

real

as a major car enthusiast I can vouch

[keen dome]

Login servers seem to have shit the bed on EU, so if you are in-game: don't log out

[still gazelle]

Is the smoke buff on the player or on the adds? Like if a tank is pulling a bunch, and you drop it in and they shift positions for one reason or another, are you dicked?

[shrewd lantern]

you drop it on the floor

when you press sb

[lilac stag]

You don’t drop it. It surrounds you on blades press

[vale pine]

this is fine

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt it center around you

[still gazelle]

I meant if you activate blades and then the tank or adds move out of it.

Do you lose the buff?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

[shy ferry]

surely haste trinket sd fix today

[supple tundra]

cant choose spec for weekly chest, sub/outlaw? now full sub gear on me 🙁

[dense coyote]

Smoke

[lilac stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1495606826664988702/image.png?ex=69e8d626&is=69e784a6&hm=0cfbda5c7c561a593f516f8a9329de8acbf9b49b93b23514f0f733e4263dd74d&

[shrewd lantern]

so its dropped around you

though thats pretty fucking big

[shy ferry]

US too

[small vortex]

nice fartcloud

[dense coyote]

wow lots of smoke

[wintry heart]

Instructions unclear

[tough knot]

Can't center a fart around something else

[gilded ferry]

iirc it has a lingering effect

[sick stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/quite-big-thats-gif-18363059

[shrewd lantern]

i assume on beloren you drop it on his center

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[shrewd lantern]

to still be in it regardless of where the pie is

[dense coyote]

so is anyone experiencing a que to get logged into batttle net ?

[small vortex]

shouldnt it be largest enough to just cover the center regardless

looks pretty large

[shrewd lantern]

yeah im saying you shouldnt drop it in the middle

[spiral needle]

just gotta kiss the egg before you drop it

[shrewd lantern]

not in a pie slice already

to be safe

idk

maybe its big enough regardless

[small vortex]

who knows

[solemn isle]

was belo ever even a concern? you only have to get in it at the very end

maybe miss a second or 2 tops even if it was small

[small vortex]

im not on belo anyway so i could just be lying

: )

[torpid echo]

they nerfed rogues guys

[lilac stag]

You all can see it on live. Just select the talent

well. If bnet lets you on Eu

[spiral needle]

dont think anyone is seeing it on live for a few hours

[solemn isle]

europe does not exist I agree

[small vortex]

yeah ill see it in 3 hours

[solemn isle]

finally someone gets it

[spiral needle]

whats a europe

[lilac stag]

It’s already in game. They just changed the trigger

[solemn isle]

they should have kept it on distract

distract part of the rotation enjoyers rise up

[small vortex]

eh...

[lilac stag]

Imagine outlaw having a meltdown from that

[shrewd lantern]

if it was on distract

[sick stratus]

im not putting distract back on my bars

[shrewd lantern]

i could see people complain

when their distract ends up on a roof

[solemn isle]

skill issue imo

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[sick stratus]

just macro to place at self

[spiral needle]

being able to put it exactly where you want would have been pretty cool

[small vortex]

ive already thrown spears into the roof

[solemn isle]

you woulkd just @player is anyways

[small vortex]

so please no

[lucid jackal]

🤨

Distract is extremely useful.....

[gilded ferry]

lol, i use distract all the time

[sick stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-gif-19555961

[small vortex]

this guy doesnt do keys...

[gilded ferry]

it stops most of the patrols

[swift tinsel]

stopping a circuit seer from ninja pulling will change your mind about distract

[lilac stag]

Found the Ret player that doesn’t use any utility in keys

[wintry heart]

Distract is unironically very good on keys

[shrewd lantern]

you guys use it to stop pats

[karmic stream]

So, basically smoke bomb 💣 ☁️ is Rogues version of Death & Decay like DKs used to be reliant on?

[gilded ferry]

even while leveling i used distract to get mobs to look the other way

[shrewd lantern]

i use it to make horde players walk off bridge

[sick stratus]

we have utility on rogue?

[loud wharf]

Distract is my baby.....

[wintry heart]

Dawg I love doing that in tbc classic

[small vortex]

yeah its called rerolling

[loud wharf]

Then tanks pull shit in anyway

[shrewd lantern]

i mean im also the person who mounts up in voidstorm

then whirling surges people also taking off

[solemn isle]

hopefully they add pick lock to the rotation soon

[fallow glade]

i remember farming the whirling surge achievement in dragonflight

[sick stratus]

my tank is dying, i think ill BoP him

[void nebula]

We have the most utility, we can press vanish at anytime to make room for a better class in the key!

[shrewd lantern]

its easier now since the cd is seperate

[fallow glade]

maybe but it was also easy in DF because you had some world quests where you had to fly around so you could camp those

[shrewd lantern]

[teal plaza]

But I just rolled a jackpot

[shrewd lantern]

i also like netting druids farming herbs

[small vortex]

Is the jackpot called playing warlock?

[shrewd lantern]

and watching them die

the downside is they nerfed subterfuge and net-o-matic

before with subter you could net and not unstealth until the cast finishes

[fallow glade]

oh yeah that was fun

actual ninjamounting and escaping

[teal plaza]

It was an outlaw joke 😮‍💨

[sick stratus]

the joke is outlaw

[small vortex]

outlaw is the joke

[sick stratus]

outlaw the joke

[shrewd lantern]

@warm marlin how much weird shit with cds do you need to do on bird

before not spending supercharger on 2 dances before the burn

[stoic anchor]

can u evasion ick and crick focus?

[plush roost]

U can send cds as late as first add set

[solemn isle]

yes

[shrewd lantern]

i mean are you just secteching on cd

[plush roost]

Depends how many chargers u want for burne ig

[dry flame]

just make sure you don't turn, angle is very sharp

[dense coyote]

what rogue spec is looking to be the best after this patch update

[shrewd lantern]

the logs are split on sending sb on pull or 20s in

[dry flame]

All 3 are looking quite nice. I'm gonna play all 3

[dusky yacht]

Rouge*

[ripe flame]

send on 20 for the birbs

[plush roost]

Ye i dont think it matters. On pull is more damage with 2 pre super chargers

At 20 kills adds faster

[ripe flame]

is my take

[dry flame]

good luck to us tomorrow

[dusky yacht]

May your gaze fall upon a gaze brother

[dry flame]

i don't know if my heart can handle a 3rd bricked vault

[dusky yacht]

You certainly wouldn't deserve it

[visual lark]

is sub really much worse than assa for 17+ keys?

[stuck lance]

So is outlaw just gonna be better then sub for raid on every boss now?

[plush roost]

But for beloran burn, u can start stacking as early as 40 seconds

[neon frigate]

Does sub gets buffed in 12.05 patch tomorrow?

[plush roost]

If your group has egg dps

Yes

[shrewd lantern]

yeah out of the top 10 4 sent on pull

6 on 20

[ripe flame]

I'm sending on the 2nd set of birbs because its a lottery if those die in time

you'll have to gauge your group damage on those

[shrewd lantern]

do you delay any sectechs on this fight

[plush roost]

I dont think u can even compare top logs for this boss but rather look at their burn damage

[strong shoal]

Guys i'm dumb and i have a question

[plush roost]

It accounts for bird phase and like who tf cares

[sullen hare]

I thought this was being memed on by an american player. 3pm PDT (GMT-8) might as well literally be tomorrow for EU

[strong shoal]

For the first time since DF S1 im trying sub. I know the general rotation but how the fuck do i do the opener?

[sullen hare]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[dry flame]

big oof, yeah we can't play on EU atm anyways, login issues

[plush roost]

As of today, strike backstab guidon+ backstab, sblades+dance+ sec tec

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i remember ryldd was saying he goes into it with 6 superchargers

which would mean not spending points at all your last 2 dances before the burn

[hybrid forge]

How to ruin a spec with a smoke

insane

[sullen hare]

it's pretty cooked over here too. I saw a snippet with a 60+ minute login timer and our servers aren't even going to be up for at least 2.5 more hours

[small vortex]

you're just afk backstabbing?

[shrewd lantern]

no you would strike but not finish

[ripe flame]

shadowstriking

[strong shoal]

i should probably just wait for EU reset and learn right?

[small vortex]

er yeeah strike in dance

[plush roost]

Yeah u just mash strike amd backstab

[dry flame]

do it tomorrow broski yep

[shrewd lantern]

can you just send dances as sectech is up or

it kind of looks like they're doing that on lorggs

[plush roost]

Maybe, the rotation isnt very complex anymore so its wau easier to pick up

[shrewd lantern]

im assuming its 2 egg sets before the burn

[ripe flame]

yes

[lucid jackal]

Alright bye

[plush roost]

U get a third add set in p2

[shrewd lantern]

is there a particular time they spawn or its % based

[plush roost]

But those go into burn

[small vortex]

lorrgs has a dive at 19 and 1:09

[plush roost]

Its timer based

[small vortex]

which is bird spawn yeah?

[shrewd lantern]

isnt dive the soak circle

[grand summit]

So the patch change anything for us

[plush roost]

Yeah

[grand summit]

is Cloud Cover any good?

[plush roost]

Dive spawns adds

[small vortex]

yeah birds come from the soak

[shrewd lantern]

you can feint the dive i assume

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd lantern]

or do you need another external if its on you

[grand summit]

oh your right

duh

[hybrid forge]

I also have the puzzle box in mythic

[plush roost]

Many rogues use feint + dance DR to cover soaks ye

U can also use cheat on one soak set

[shrewd lantern]

dance dr?

[plush roost]

Cloak is for orbs

[ripe flame]

if you are the one marked you probably have externals and things assigned + your feint

[shrewd lantern]

so they're just not doing damage during it?

[plush roost]

Fade to nothing

[small vortex]

dance gives you a dr during it

[fair stump]

Why guidon + backstab?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah was more wondering they're burning dance and not doing damage during it

[small vortex]

for like 8s i think

[gilded cosmos]

The GV now can u open in Sub or Assa better?

[plush roost]

So haste buff is active when u press dance cause deepening shadows has a delay

[hardy olive]

Hi, what’s the order I should be getting my set piece gear?

[solemn isle]

doesnt matter, just get to 4 peices as fast as possible

[hardy olive]

Fair enough. Thanks.

[hybrid forge]

mythic+ outlaw. Raid whathever

[lilac stag]

Jesus dooming and NA beta testing hasn’t even started.

[shrewd lantern]

lmao this is funny

[small vortex]

what a sequence

[shrewd lantern]

looks like he went into the burn with only 1 extra

since he did finishers the dance before that

and that dance he only spent on sectech

i mean with new build our non sb dance windows are less significant

[warm marlin]

it depends on how cringe u want to be

[shrewd lantern]

the egg takes more damage doesnt it

or am i tripping

[warm marlin]

but whoevers doing this is correct

no it does not take more damage

[shrewd lantern]

oh

[warm marlin]

but the bosses' health bar is fake

only egg damage is actually killing it

and you need to kill in only 2 phases

or bad things

[shrewd lantern]

so technically buttblasting the boss+adds is more details but doesnt kill the boss

ye

[pearl swan]

ur trolling ur raid

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

[pearl swan]

if ur doin that

[shrewd lantern]

i figured holding 2 dances without spending

is better

[warm marlin]

i think i dont cast a finisher after 40s into the fight or whatever

[shrewd lantern]

and just strike soup