subtlety

[sly shore]

not bird fight

[violet palm]

Any value in manually applying snd if opener with lust?

[sly shore]

it applies with evis anyway

so no

[grizzled hornet]

aight, i guess i am just overreacting and dooming to the sub state right now

[azure thicket]

pashli cyka

i mean uh

[obtuse raft]

good question. when i switch specs between bosses the CDM dissapeared...

[tribal blade]

ahhhhh ok

yeah you need to set it up between specs

[azure thicket]

i think if you're getting pulled off boss to do mechanics it's hard to get everything lined up for a parse right now

[tribal blade]

unless you had and it just bugged out or something

[violet palm]

But why, more shadow tech procs=better energy=less dps loss. And it also doesn't spend supercharged

[tribal blade]

you're getting snd rolling the finisher after sectec

the diff is negligible

[azure thicket]

it's more important to have snd on say outlaw

[tribal blade]

some people do strike>snd>vanish>strike>cds right now, but it's not required

[azure thicket]

so you open evis then bte for example

[tribal blade]

or sorry strike>evis

it won't be possible to do that on reset when playing no premed

unless everyone just decides to play premed anyways because vibes are better with it

[violet palm]

Sim says it's -0.2% loss, I was wondering if it because of lost supercharged out of blades window

[tribal blade]

could be yeah, could also be delaying cds a few globals

it doesn't like

[azure thicket]

also the bottom line i think is shadowblades casts

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIKDSnICUas ok you guys need to watch this

[azure thicket]

so if you're delaying that for a few globals the sim probably starts hissing

[tribal blade]

this is amazing

[tribal blade]

yeah the sim really doesn't like delaying some things

[azure thicket]

blades affects all damage by 20% right? so white damage everything etc

[tribal blade]

26% iirc

because of tier set

[meager creek]

Drum of Renewed Bonds how troll is this trinket ? I’ve got it on heroic, but is the the Crucible of Erratic Energies better? The sims tells me Drums.. but I’m not sure it’s correct.

[azure thicket]

yeah for me personally i hold vanish to guarantee a full cp evis between dances during blades

so you're not asking backstab rng to setup 2nd dance etc

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-gargoyle-hands-on-hips-are-you-joking-kidding-gif-7325815749783248261

fuck these things by the way

[azure thicket]

whoops meant vessel of tortured souls my bad ignore this

crucible is really really good until you get 6/6 solarflare prism

[tribal blade]

i was just about to type something refuting that hhaa

[azure thicket]

yeah my bad just spaced out

[tribal blade]

no worries i do it all the time

[azure thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-hot-dogs-phew-gif-16877409997294026306

[meager creek]

I’ll switch it for the crucible. Thanks!

[azure thicket]

ye 135 crit with a high proc rate is stonks

[tribal blade]

the uptime on that trink with all upgrades is very high

[meager creek]

Oh yeah you’ll need all the upgrades ?

[tribal blade]

for it to be at full power yes

you can sim it with/without what you're currently upgraded with

from that thingy in the voidstorm

[cosmic owl]

Hi, regarding AA, what is **supercharged **non-Secret Technique Finisher? Does it mean AA should be activated for all non-ST finishers when in dance? Does it matter outside of dance?

[azure thicket]

super charged combo points only

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[azure thicket]

you ever see kabru try and shmurder falin in dungeon meshi? in 3 or less target count shadowstrike an extra time with 5cp etc

[cosmic owl]

Ah, I might've been doing things wrong then 😅 . I just focused on getting AA up for all finishers but ST in dance, not paying attention to other things..

[azure thicket]

yeah it happens i was doing it with backstab like it was last season before talking about it

[fiery fog]

its basicly just the finisher after your sectec (or if you have 4 supercharged CP the next 3 after sectec)

you dont force an AA proc for the sectec

[steel zinc]

You can even make it easier if you have supercharged cp and no sectech you just strike if no AA is up. 9.9/10 times your fine not worrying about shadow tech stacks

[upper narwhal]

i love my gear rn cuz all i need to do is drink a haste flask to swap from assa to sub next reset

[cosmic owl]

I usually get max cp, dance, ST, builder to proc AA, use finisher, builders to get AA up agian, finsher etc.

[azure thicket]

man the haste tax on deathstalker makes me just wanna play assassin

that's basically not happening til rare neck drops

[fiery fog]

just play trickster

next patch it gets a nice ~5-6% buff

[azure thicket]

yeah i saw that looks diabolical with cloud cover

[grizzled hornet]

u wont touch ds from next reset

[azure thicket]

i have to resim for sure i've been playing 620 haste puzzy cause thats what the sim is telling me

[fiery fog]

ds wa only an option for liike a week now because of the new found breakpoint

but even then you dont want to play ds because of mark bugs

[azure thicket]

i mean the only fight you pull it on is vorasius/salhadaar

[fiery fog]

if your mark just decides to disappear you can basicly just stop doing dmg at all

[azure thicket]

ye reapplying it

[fiery fog]

not happening

that is the fun part

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

gets fixed next reset though with marked for death or whatever its called

[azure thicket]

it's weird that mistweaver monk has a similar bug

[mortal snow]

So Premed bug, correct me if I'm wrong, happens because it gives us a full 7cp when we enter vanish or shadow dance and use our next CP generator (Shadow Strike).
By using Premed to fill all CPs, no "stored" combo points are consumed and makes no shadow clones pop to do another shadow strike for us.

That sounds like it's working as attended and not a bug?

[azure thicket]

they have to avoid a ability cause it'll randomly stop working in dungeons too

[cosmic owl]

Wait, if I don't have supercharged points, I should not "force" AA for my finishers?

[fiery fog]

we have had that since the release of DS i think?

[fiery fog]

no

[azure thicket]

nah just with supercharged combos

[cosmic owl]

🤦‍♂️

[azure thicket]

backstab

[azure thicket]

yeah it's definitely been discussed before i think the mistweaver thing is new this season tho

[cosmic owl]

So if I have supercharged points, I should get AA for finishers - except for ST. ST doesn't need AA.

[fiery fog]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[meager creek]

ST or aoe?

[azure thicket]

it's under pins

[fiery fog]

pins

and both

[meager creek]

ty

[azure thicket]

its a lot of crit and overall

[grave girder]

Trickster bufs basically make DS worse again?

[fiery fog]

yeppers

thank god

[grave girder]

My short time learning it for my casual guilds egg damage was worth it

[azure thicket]

i liked it on vorsarius cause we were all in mechanics jail anyway

[fiery fog]

what mechanics on vorasius

what mechanics at all

tbh

[azure thicket]

we only have 1 kill

lol but for the record we were all on bugs at max distance jail

[fiery fog]

besides alleria i cant think of any boss where i had to play mechanics

and alleria forces you to play them

[azure thicket]

yeah we're just getting to figuring out how to ethically pad on chimarus

i got a kill last week in a pug but ye

[fiery fog]

im pretty sure as sub you just press storm instead of backstab

thats all you can really do

[azure thicket]

yeah i had a 77 parse on last pull of the night on 2nd downphase

just be near add spawn in upphase with sec tec dance up

like uh the big add isn't in range for cleave before it gets stunned by consume type stuff

[fiery fog]

oh youre talking chimaerus

[azure thicket]

dead but no baller plays are being made

yeah

[fiery fog]

just send on cd

[azure thicket]

im not scared but

scary

[fiery fog]

and sectec when theyre grouped (should be happening fast with grips tbh)

but generally i wouldnt hold sectec for more than 5 seconds

[azure thicket]

yeah this week was slow due to lack of gameplan

we did heroic midnight falls for an hour and a half got it to start of phase 2 then recleared heroic

last week we got two myth bosses down

i too would like to send on cd this reset

[uncut monolith]

Im reading 12.0.5 Cloud Cover buff.. realizing i dont know how works the spell now before patch.. can u tell pls?

[keen dome]

we never used it

because it's bad

[azure thicket]

i think we macro it to blades?

yeah if you use distract in keys it's not too clunky

[uncut monolith]

Wasnt it passiv from Shadow blades?

[azure thicket]

oh true skimmed it

[lime wigeon]

The benefit comes from the change making it stack fazed to 3. That's the insane part.
That it's passive when you use SB is just a big QoL bonus

[azure thicket]

it's funny cause yoda just put sub in b tier beind assa

[uncut monolith]

So now if i use shadow blades and then run 15 yards i lose dps from it? Ant it is exaxtly the thing they are fixing?

[olive canyon]

for high keys i think thats fair

[fiery fog]

assa is crazy for high keys

[olive canyon]

I play sub when im messing around on lower keys

assa on high

[fiery fog]

because your maintarget doesnt just drop dead 5 seconds in

[lime wigeon]

In fairness, keys are a bit skewed towards ST currently

[fiery fog]

huh

you just pull bigg

[azure thicket]

im starting to see people funnel adds into bosses again

we probably go even if people are doing stuff good

but ye assa does have good st

[lime wigeon]

There's a lot of mismatched HPs for portions that prevents you to progress the keys

[azure thicket]

but also im sure yoda is seeing sub rogues get boss funnel etc etc

[keen dome]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[azure thicket]

would you mind posting your stats for assa? lazy request i know just curious how much crit is being run etc

[tribal blade]

like around 40%

and a good amount of haste too

sin is crazy bottlenecked by energy now

[azure thicket]

ye im 35-36% crit 20% haste 40% mastery i think?

[tribal blade]

your sim will want more crit for sure

[azure thicket]

i feel like implacable mechanic really likes the crit

yeah

it's fallen off a few times cause im begging for mut to crit

[tribal blade]

the sin apex is weird

2nd part is passive who cares

1st part is horrible, absolutely hate playing around it

3rd part is AMAZING, so cool

i've been looking at the forums more than usual recently and by far the biggest complaint is energy issues on rogue in general

specifically on sin and sometimes outlaw

[azure thicket]

i did an outlaw key with a blood dk

the guy was 200k all key

8 target only pit of saron 14 or 15

it was good too

[tribal blade]

bdk is like that sometimes yeah, very high dam

but bdk is always the issue of them flopping

[grave shore]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

because nobody can save them except themselves

[azure thicket]

yeah but with 8 targets how often can that happen

[tribal blade]

well you go higher in key level

you have to pull bigger/more aggressive

and stuff hits way harder

their health is a like a yoyo

and then 1 wrong gcd boom dead

[azure thicket]

yeah if you see bdk with any kind of priest consider not applying

they're really good with mistweaver and druid afaiu

h pal is 50/50

[tribal blade]

i'm just not super keen on inviting bdk in general lol

[glacial eagle]

well yeah
because outlaw is just slightly negative and it feels like ass to fall through for 5 seconds every minute or so, and then it gets slightly worse later on, it could be easily fixed by adding energy regen into rtb 2+ buffs
and assa is legit without design, you're supposed to pool for...your filler again

[tribal blade]

playing that spec really is a high wire act in high keys

[azure thicket]

ye pug no coms bdk is just whoops i fell over

[glacial eagle]

sub is very smooth in comparison because it has inf energy when it matters and only really pools a little bit before CDs which is very minor

[tribal blade]

yeah sin feels pretty fucking bad sometimes

[tribal blade]

and agreed this is the least energy issues sub has had playing 100 energy ever

[glacial eagle]

bdk is a weird case where blizz loves UDK to hell and FDK is rarely really neglected, usually just kinda undertuned if anything, but still plays ok
meanwhile BDK is kept in the basement and fed worms because it can't ever be allowed to be good again in any environment but boss tanking

[tribal blade]

the meme of every beta cycle "BDK IS OP NEW META TANK"

[azure thicket]

was frost dk a tank at one point or am i forgetting

[tribal blade]

never happens

[copper ravine]

after the changes do you guys think that crit will win over mastery in m+ as well?

[tribal blade]

yes

changed to blood at some point, can't remember when exactly

[tribal blade]

not as much no

[azure thicket]

yoda said they're(bdk) good enough to be a key level behind meta

[tribal blade]

mastery is still really good in aoe because of PP

[azure thicket]

but again best possible circumstances

i could see it

[copper ravine]

thanks

[glacial eagle]

early WotLK when Blizz tried to make every DK a tank/DPS hybrid, but Frost had the most tanking talents
by late WotLK it became obvious that BDK is amazing at tanking Wrath content and the other two are better off as DPS

[glacial eagle]

IDK, this beta everyone was dooming BDK already, like "worst tank by far" popped up several times
people shilled Prot Pally because of damage and Guardian for more balanced damage+survivability

[red flame]

Fr tho, did a +12 AA yesterday with a Blood DK tank ; bro died twice back to back on the 1st pull (everything around tree boss) & caused group wipes while blaming the group for doing “way too low dps” & “I can reach over 900k on this pull on my mage” like yea ok sure bud

[fossil forge]

I would argue

[tribal blade]

oh that's not even a bdk issue, that's just a tank issue in general on 1st pull of AA lol

but yeah

[glacial eagle]

lads need to learn to kite

[fossil forge]

A 260 ilvl hpal healed a 16 magister no problems

[glacial eagle]

like it's legit not a pull you can facetank on higher keys

[red flame]

Ah word

[plush roost]

Let the debuff apply

[tribal blade]

but BDK makes it even worse

[red flame]

It was really funny tbh

[tribal blade]

oh shit that makes it even easier, fire

[red flame]

Also it didn’t help I immediately died & completely missed lust

I had tricks on bro the entire time & got full aggro from 1st ss

Feelsbad

Actually imagine

[tribal blade]

so SS will sometimes not apply snap aggro

because it's an instant hit

or w/e

[red flame]

That’s wild

[still quartz]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[uneven rampart]

Hello all, question about Sub rogue as I have heard different things about it, or maybe I misinterpretted it.
During shadowblades, I have always held my second shadow dance until secret technique was available, which was for the last 1-2 seconds of shadowblades.
Should I be popping shadow dance as soon as its ready? Or am I doing it correct

[tribal blade]

if you tricks>strike into a pack before the tank has established enough threat or he just pulled it, you can get 1 shot

if you're afraid that might happen it's usually safer to open on the pack with storm

or wait until you see him cast a few gcds before striking in

[fiery fog]

with guidon and 4p you start the second dance when blades has 8 seconds left

[tribal blade]

it's very dangerous to strike in when the tank just got to the pack

[red flame]

Word, I appreciate the tips 🖤 I was defo confused what happened lollllll

Also speaking of ss I found something funny in NPX

[tribal blade]

oh no this has happened to litearlly every single sub rogue ever lol

dw

[azure thicket]

next time i see aa im gonna run crippling poison now that you mention it

cause i didn't have enough damage with aug udk in a 17 yesterday

[tribal blade]

unironically mind numbing possibly

[red flame]

if you ss from stealth (where it tp’s you) while on the bridge going to Lothraxion

[torn tide]

aa gives me nightmares

[red flame]

Ur gonna have a bad time

[azure thicket]

strats

[red flame]

[tribal blade]

i was thinking about this the other day

[azure thicket]

it's the bleed afaiu tho they just need to out run it

[tribal blade]

numbing might be the move in AA

when the most danger of wiping is in 1st pull

[olive canyon]

self buffs - flask etc

[red flame]

Lowkey numbing & crippling prob go crazy 1st pull ye

That’s smart

[tribal blade]

you have to choose between 1 or the other

[azure thicket]

thank you is that raid or m+?

[tribal blade]

and running crippling can be very troll

[red flame]

Real

[olive canyon]

m+ but i donthave diff gear sets

[torn tide]

ayo that could work

[olive canyon]

at present i just switch gfuidon for box for raid

[tribal blade]

maybe who knows lol

[olive canyon]

I will recraft all my pieces to crit haste on wednesday

[tribal blade]

might just be a "get good" for your tank

[olive canyon]

although im wondering if keeping mast is better given the cleave in this raid tier

[red flame]

But ye I was in a 10 NPX & used ss from stealth on the light image (while he was in the middle of the bridge, not near a side) & it just tp’d me directly under the bridge & I obv fell & died

Was p funny ngl

[cinder jasper]

Is there anyone here that understands parses and logs and could help me understand a few things? 🙏

[tribal blade]

besides paladins most of the cleave this tier is kinda fake

boss dmg is what really matters

[olive canyon]

agreed for the most part

but it seems like my recrafts net me about 3% crit orsomething

maybe 4

[tribal blade]

don't forget crit flask

easy 165 crit

[red flame]

I can’t wait til the day I can use a non-haste flask

[proud burrow]

just ask the question and someone will respond im sure

[uneven rampart]

I have b oth 4p and guidon, so youre saying I should not be holding my second shadow dance for secret technique, I should be using it imediately off cd while shadow blades is active

[fiery fog]

no

you use it when blades has 8 seconds left

sectec should be ready with like 2-3 seconds left

[cinder jasper]

It's more like me comparing 2 different logs, one of them did not do the rotation well, but scored very high log, while the other done the rotation close to perfect but scored a much lower log score

So I was wondering if I could dm anyone that understand these things the parses so they could maybe explain to me how it works

[fossil forge]

What boss

[azure thicket]

time to kill when damage is being applied etc

[small vortex]

If theres adds it could be pad difference

And kill time ye

[fossil forge]

Also timer matters

[olive canyon]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[drifting ether]

Just in time for turbo

[alpine wraith]

big

[fossil forge]

I wish i had beloren dagger

I kinda feel bad upgrading a vers dagger but it is What it is

[alpine wraith]

it is not that much better dont worry

[fossil forge]

its just stats

Ilvl king

[autumn flame]

Wait if you uppgrade crafted dagger is it the same ilvl as a regular mythic dagger?

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

that dagger is mostly mast anyways

[alpine wraith]

no it is still some ilvls behind

[tribal blade]

i assume crafted goes to 393 instead of 398

[alpine wraith]

same as before

[tribal blade]

or something like that

[small vortex]

wthelly 400 ilvl weapon

[alpine wraith]

crafted goes to 294 normal mythic 298

[fossil forge]

Prophet is a expansion ahead

[tribal blade]

omfg number starts with 2 not 3

[fossil forge]

HAHA

[autumn flame]

Better get one in vault then

[tribal blade]

i dunno why i keep doing 3

for some reason

still not used to the stat squish

[alpine wraith]

dont worry i had a funny situation the other day in some titles

[fossil forge]

i miss big number

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[alpine wraith]

titled the video 10.0.5

instead of 12 XD

[fossil forge]

Xd

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-gif-11079826643093500565

[tribal blade]

lol hell yeah, share in my number dyslexia

[small vortex]

ive had some close keys man

[next pulsar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fossil forge]

Ive set up a tent in academy yesterday.

Took like 5 tries

[tribal blade]

the best ones i've had are timing title range keys by seconds

[small vortex]

aa is a rough key

[tribal blade]

those are serious nail biters

[fossil forge]

We had a insane healer

From echo

[small vortex]

the io upgrades that are <1s timed...

[fossil forge]

Playing the last 2 spinning mobs into boss is so crazy too

[vocal pulsar]

guess you want guidon more than ever with this change, or?

[tribal blade]

my feelycraft tells me yes

[vocal pulsar]

q.q

[alpine wraith]

funnily enough in m+ box becomes quite decent

[tribal blade]

makes sense yeah

[alpine wraith]

although double passive sims more

you kinda crack it open with it

[tribal blade]

issue there is you have to go +100 haste

which eats into other stats

[tribal blade]

was actually thinking about double passive for keys recently

might be a vibe

[alpine wraith]

it is not bad but it will feel worse on some dungeons

[vale pine]

guidon def. good ye

[alpine wraith]

mainly because time to die is skewed towards popping cds

and getting lots of dps

[vale pine]

but trinkets don't change

[alpine wraith]

then pulls falters on

[tribal blade]

for sure

[tribal blade]

SHEEEEEESH

[alpine wraith]

DONT BLINK

[vocal pulsar]

well with my 278 ilvl, guidon on lfr track still sims better than anything i have. no gaze no guidon yet 😢

[tribal blade]

those are the ones where you have no idea if you actually timed the key until the hting pops up saying you did

[small vortex]

i think this was an early season nokhud

[tribal blade]

omg screw nokhud lol

i hated that place

[small vortex]

i tend to push fast early then just chill and that was like our worst dungeon that season

[tribal blade]

my favorite thing about nokhud were the warspears

that targeted ranged

god forbid

ranged has 1 singular mechanic to do

you never hear the end of it

"KILL THE WARSPEAR OMFG KILL THE WARSPEAR"

calm down boomy

press starfall

go bear

[small vortex]

oh god this was a week with sanguine explosive too

holy fuck what a bad week to do nokhud

[tribal blade]

LOL that's illegal yeah

bolstering was also really bad in there iirc

you couldn't drag in mobs into other packs

which was the usual play in there

esp in 1st area

[dry zodiac]

Wait, in what scenario are you doing this? With puzzle in keys?

[small vortex]

yeah it was horrible

[tribal blade]

perma chaining

[small vortex]

first area and the ghost area i think

[tribal blade]

just without guidon in general

you want 800 haste as trickster

or else blades windows becomes a bit scuffed

[oblique spade]

Can I sim for wednesday's version of trickster on raidbots droptimiser at the moment?

[vale pine]

you can put ptr=1 in expert mode to sim

[oblique spade]

im assuming I might need more crit

ah ok ty

[vale pine]

or wait for the patch to get live tomorrow^^

make sure to use latest simc version

[oblique spade]

About to run some keys so wanna know if any crit ones are worth keeping if they drop 🙂

Could have used it last night before raid to be honest

[hazy breach]

Doesnt really change that much tbh

But yes you want an on-use trinket

[lilac stag]

about the only one worth keeping. otherwise just use cruible

[oblique spade]

Been running that since week 1 - I did mean neck/rings but forgot to add it into my message ^^

[oblique spade]

This has to be added into the header I'd imagine?

[stoic anchor]

sir fuu . mr. do we treat orc racial as a 3min cd and only send it with shadowblades? or we can send it with dance aswell

for all of us the gigachads that play orc male hunched over not vertical position ofc

[vale pine]

ye, can just put it in the header

[vale pine]

you line it up with blades

[stoic anchor]

ty

it says here increase attack power by 168. is that 168 agility ?

i never knew how to interpret attack power - agility ratio. what is this tbc we're gemming ap over agi xd?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[tribal blade]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/howling-fjord/Салатисос?season=season-mn-1 our dude is using double passive

[vocal pulsar]

true, but since puzzle and the windrunner trinket are used as 3min cds and our burst windows get even better, i think a 1,5min cd trinket will be even more better with the change 😄
sure puzzle has a good niche in m+ but generally i feel guidon will be a must :/

[tribal blade]

double crafted passive

what a g

[light hull]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Insanely based actually

[tribal blade]

does that racial give mainstat when you use the dispel?

ah yeah

[hazy breach]

Yesnt

Its tuned around not dispelling anything

For very short burst windows it is better than orc/maghar for sure

[tribal blade]

gotcha

[hazy breach]

Fwiw it does not seem like the sim has the "augmented" effect

[hallow mortar]

isnt pit of saron isanne coin value next week? assuming you dont have ring neck myth track

[hazy breach]

But its like 2% behind gaze/plume so even if its a huge buff its still kinda meh

[alpine wraith]

actually do we apexxmaxx again with strike being stronger

[hazy breach]

Nop

[alpine wraith]

or we just follow normal things

yea figured

[hazy breach]

Lots of solid places to use your coin

I think people have gone a bit overboard on the "I MUST GET ALL CRIT NOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH"

[hallow mortar]

yeah i was thionking pit or nexus or magister

im victim of it

[hazy breach]

When all i did was change the flask to crit instead of mastery for the simc profile

[dry flame]

I have crafted neck, and have many rings I can juggle, and 2 sparks for potential 4th craft.

There is value, but I wouldn't call it insane one at this point

Yesterday I droptimsetd all m+ loot vault track and nothing was more than a 0.9% upgrade I think, I'll have to double check

[random mason]

that means i have to recraft and gem my whole gear set to crit now right

[hallow mortar]

i did full crit cos i was on paldins and went brrrr as assa

[random mason]

and farm more crit gear

[hallow mortar]

rank 14 cosindering im not assas otp 😄

[dry flame]

All my crafts were crit haste (except dagger), becuase I wanted to use them for all 3 specs. Kinda lucky now with reset

[hallow mortar]

i have crafted dagger belt and ring

i have only one item from raid and thats dagger

which is nice

[stoic anchor]

so what's going to be our stats in 2 days? crit- mastery - haste - versa?

[dry flame]

Dagger/boots/neck for me, but I'm also solo pug player, so less drops to rely on

Usually try to pug 3/9M and that's it

[dry flame]

Nothing changed too much - you want haste breakpoint and crit gains a lot of value on ST

[stoic anchor]

more or less than mastery?

[dry flame]

Mastery always good and specifically aoe

[fallow ingot]

Do we already know if we want heavy crit piece like bel'oren ring etc for .5 ?

[stoic anchor]

warning signs or planned execution for m+?

[sharp ravine]

Pinned message

[sharp ravine]

Prob not, Haste breakpoint > Mastery = Crit > Vers

[stoic anchor]

tempted to go full crit for dopamine on screen

[fallow ingot]

godbless if its the case lmao

#subtlety message

[worldly root]

we indeed want beloren ring

[lime wigeon]

Also keep in mind that stats DR after 30%, staggered each 10% from there and on

(From rating, not total)

[random mason]

not title range by any means but i don't think I'll ever get closer than this

[small vortex]

holy

[fallow ingot]

Dunno, nexus point set was bis for me when i farmed M+ for gear

will see when .5 hit servers

[worldly root]

i mean we already got "bis" setup anyway

[dry flame]

I remember back in SL I had a Theater of Pain 22/23 in that range, it was something between 0.4 and 0.05 sec

[alpine wraith]

theater was a tough one

not 1 boss was easy at high keys

[dry flame]

Yepp

1 fuck up and gg

[alpine wraith]

at least the JUMP was nerfed

[dry flame]

And tyrannical weeks

[alpine wraith]

that one used to break necks+

[tribal blade]

theater was a complicated dungeon

actually every SL dungeon wasn't simple

[dry flame]

Not HoA, the other Ravendreth one was crazy

I ran it so much, I became my guilds main guide for it at thr time

[tribal blade]

back during SL

hoa wasn't very fun

[dry flame]

Literally calling out every single kick on every single pack, nocmenr etc

[dry flame]

HoA was the easiest one, which made people like it

[tribal blade]

but yeah sanguine depths was bananas

[dry flame]

The other one was... Oof yeah

[small vortex]

sanguine 3rd boss...

[tribal blade]

every boss in SD

[fleet acorn]

The only must play sub Boss in raid is egg Boss ?

[tribal blade]

was hard

[dry flame]

It caught so many nerfs and it was still absolute butt clench

[tribal blade]

i was venth too because playing sub

so i had to be in charge of the cannisters

i hated it

[dry flame]

Crown probably too (Assa is not bad)

[tribal blade]

trying to open those things without getting 1 shot

[small vortex]

i was playing surv hunter and man was that boss rough

[dry flame]

Wasn't outlaw the play until like last season?

When we did terrible overall, but we were full funneling

[tribal blade]

nah sub was meta S2

[dry flame]

Ah, the only season I didn't play and didn't get the red mount

[tribal blade]

also sub could do great overall if you pressed BP

but we were living in bfa combo propoganda

[fallow ingot]

is raidbots bugged for a top gear loaded from armory ?

[dry flame]

I was so mad they made prideful not have the red mount

[tribal blade]

i still wish i could redo that season just pressing BP always in aoe

i would top every single key

[tribal blade]

oh i hated prideful so much lol

i actually really liked the S2 affix

the tormented thing

was really fun

[dry flame]

Too many combinations?

[fallow ingot]

Nop,

like he didn't see the new 2rings

w/e

[dry flame]

I really liked the idea of prideful, how it changed route and had to play and plan for it

But it was nightmare with pugs

[tribal blade]

oh it was a nightmare in organized groups too lol

once you got to high enough key levels

prideful was so strong

those mini bosses were so scary

[dry flame]

I was a route-sweat back then, so I ran a very tight ship

But yeah, prideful was too much

But back then they were obsessed with kiss/curse (specifically the curse)

And they tried recreate the bwamsandi season

Which people really liked

[tribal blade]

it was pretty fun when they did that right

it made meaningful routing choices

the S2 lieutenants were fun because you could choose to kill them or not

and they gave really good powers you could have choice with

[cinder jasper]

!log

[stoic anchor]

yooo cloak and evasion on modifiers and vanish too I got some bad neeews for u friend<3 xd

[keen dome]

Yeah?

[stoic anchor]

if I understood correctly on wednesday it will be :
haste breakpoint ~700> Crit in single target >= mastery > haste > versatility ?
and in aoe I presume: haste breakpoint 700>mastery>=crit> haste > versatility ? mythic gideon

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stoic anchor]

i read it twice. did i understood correctly?

did i understand*

[fathom adder]

is the spreadsheet already updated for the new stuff or was sub always simming that high in st?

[grim wasp]

stats and sims confuse me

[fallow ingot]

why do we do double backstab on opener with .5 build ?

[hazy breach]

You dont want to secret technique on 2 combo points

[fleet acorn]

Cause we don’t get Full with shadowstrike

[fallow ingot]

wait a minute

[timid rose]

because we don't take premed due to it's other interactions 🙂

[fallow ingot]

oh because we drop premed

make sense ty

[grim wasp]

quick noob question i was not using the double finisher and instead trying to proc apex every time. I should instead finish twice if i have the combo points right ?

[sharp ravine]

yes

[sharp ravine]

Yes with this exception

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[sleek musk]

is it ok to use Shadow Blades After Dance/Sec Tech if i trigger it prior to the clones hitting?

or does shadowblades need to be active prior to pressing sec tech

[grim wasp]

sometimes when fight start i keep trying to get the proc and end up spending one shadow dance its bad right?

[hazy breach]

You could, but theres no reason to

[sly cove]

Amazing read up and update so well written. Thanks for the updates and efforts as always boys @hazy breach @vale pine

[chilly dagger]

referring to the pin or what? 😮

[sly cove]

to the pin*

[empty bobcat]

why does my tricks tooltip say lasts 1 hour btw?

[hazy breach]

So Tricky

In trickster

[empty bobcat]

bugged?

[hazy breach]

No

[empty bobcat]

oh?

[hazy breach]

Thats what the talent So Tricky does

[empty bobcat]

ah! I never noticed this thanks

so I apply it before first pull and never worry about it again right

[timid rose]

as a new rogue I worry about it constantly... "did I actually remember to put that up?" last night in skyreach I definitely forgot and felt the repercussions on the first pull

[empty bobcat]

I have a macro for my tank I apply it before every pull xD

[hazy breach]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[empty bobcat]

so I guess I wont need to do this anymore

[timid rose]

I don't need the macro as much as I need a weak aura "hey dumbrave, press the button" 🙂

[crystal bone]

im mostly pumped for the purple mog coming with void assaults tomorrow

[leaden prairie]

@warm marlin no premed right, i hadnt simmed it yet but it seems better

[teal monolith]

!log

[azure thicket]

pit of saron 17 with me tilting because dying and then dying 3 more times because ree

also didn't use shadowblades at a great time

at the start that offset everything else

[empty bobcat]

I need a weakaura "press puzzle box"

is there any addon that screams at your face like WA ? I had a big fkn horn for my CDs back in DF

[sharp sapphire]

so apparently Cloud Cover is quite strong. And brings us on par with Ret and Ferals. Should we expect a nerf until Friday?

[warm marlin]

yes

was already a gain for beloren egg

[leaden prairie]

i see

why is that

[warm marlin]

you have infinite prestacked sht and in lust you gain giga sht

prevents the bug and you get to spend more of them on strike

i didnt check it on second burn ig

but we play for first anyway

[leaden prairie]

i tried simming the distract talent btw

but it seems bad !

[warm marlin]

the old one?

[leaden prairie]

it looks implemented at first look but maybe its not

ye

i had to add a press distract in apl tho

[warm marlin]

new cloud cover was like +40k for my egg sim

[leaden prairie]

but ye

[warm marlin]

the old one sucks

[leaden prairie]

no ye i do mean old one

its a cd tho !

[warm marlin]

but all it does is apply fazed

u already have it perma

u press gcd for what

[leaden prairie]

ye true i guess it doesnt do anytghing

old one

[warm marlin]

its giga useless

u coach me on trickster law later this week yes?

i ask you question if we get to lura

[leaden prairie]

sure lil bro

you gonna play it on lura?

[warm marlin]

probably ye

[leaden prairie]

huge !

outlaw meta !

[warm marlin]

i will noob it up a bit but its ok

[fossil forge]

its zac szn

[limpid fox]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[sick epoch]

will we have some change on the bises? I guess

[flat beacon]

hey, I am fairly new to gearing and I just started with simming and the sims I did showed me that dagger in off hand is like 2,5-3% dps gain vs my current off hand (fist weapon) with equal ilvl. I don't really get why this is? what makes dagger so much better in off hand?

[warm marlin]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[daring pike]

does the trickster change in the patch notes buff us in any way?

[empty bobcat]

yes

[fair phoenix]

sub player now?

[leaden prairie]

just for beloren

[fair phoenix]

😡

[hard trellis]

otulaw buffed zac szn

[timid rose]

I got puzzlebox on week one on my enhance shaman, and it's so toxic to use, i refuse to get it on the rogue even if it shows up

[empty bobcat]

I have it on my DH and hate it

I always tend to forget pressing it because its so ass

[light hull]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[empty bobcat]

now got it on rogue too T_T

[stoic anchor]

stats for wednesday: 935 crit, 602 haste , 631 mastery

unbuffed at all-

i need more haste, right?

[wanton vigil]

Are there any (very rough) numbers for the cloud cover changes to sub burst specifically? Just thinking of beloren egg damage where I'm currently playing assa

[olive canyon]

Go sub

[timid rose]

This is why i feel like it's sim bait, at least for me

[olive canyon]

25% more burst in our burst window - 6% overall ST buff, its good stuff

[keen dome]

It isn't sim bait, because when used properly it's very very strong. The problem is it's awkward to use and increases cognitive load for some people. So it results in worse feeling, worse play, worse usage.

You don't have to use it

[timid rose]

oh, i said for me it is 🙂

[sick epoch]

Some gearing changes? Especially on trinkets?

[hazy breach]

No

[olive canyon]

all stays the same apart from opener

which is just backstab until 7 then send

[sick epoch]

Oki, thanku

[keen dome]

finally, we return to vanilla rogue

[olive canyon]

Mate i made the mistake of playing classic stuff

PURE nostalgia

[keen dome]

[olive canyon]

fair enough to those that like it but holy moly is it boring

[keen dome]

Yeah, it is

Hell yeah

[olive canyon]

SND>Evis. Even current sub has some nuance but is simple. It has sort of grown on me

[keen dome]

I like current Sub a lot. It just needs one more button and interaction.

[stoic anchor]

i will never and you cannot stop me 🙂

lust on pull just send it monkey brain activated

[olive canyon]

Dont do that

[empty bobcat]

current sub feels good, but death from above sub wins for me - it was the best

[olive canyon]

damn near 30s of 24% more dmg is gonna be quite nice

[hazy breach]

You already have 1 stack of it

[olive canyon]

I also cant wait to hit real hard with SS

[hazy breach]

So its not not 24% more

[stoic anchor]

how is it 30s? xd

[olive canyon]

fine 16%

but it is still closer to 20-25% in burst due to our build changes right? as SS hitting harder

[stoic anchor]

isn't cloud cover 10s?

[hazy breach]

No

[stoic anchor]

how long does cloud cover last?

[olive canyon]

Fazed stacks last 10s

[hazy breach]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1272165842158616659/1494670318298730816/image.png?ex=69e76835&is=69e616b5&hm=c41926ed8e0bc0f206122a14e9322ca3ab9c2a9fcde41e10a483af5b03b9df52&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=205&height=130

[olive canyon]

cloud buff really lasts 20s

so the final application should let you extend it to around 30s

[timid rose]

cloud lasts 10, we get 10 seconds after leaving cloud, and the fazed stacks last an additional 10

[stoic anchor]

@hazy breach thoughts? unbuffed , naked 935 crit , 602 haste , 631 mastery. i need bit more haste , right?

[sharp ravine]

More haste and sim yourself

[olive canyon]

You need 100 more haste

unless you are a machine

[hazy breach]

Yes, except if you proc unseen blade and apply fazed again it resets down to 1

[olive canyon]

ooooo

[stoic anchor]

i dont think i can get 100 more haste unless i flask it , but then i can change ring enchants from haste to crit and gems

[olive canyon]

damn any thing we can do to game that

[stoic anchor]

and i think that's the play cause i cannot get 100 more haste

[olive canyon]

i guess not really

[hazy breach]

nop

[stiff stirrup]

The only reason we not taking premed in 12.0.5 is because of a bug right?

[hazy breach]

No

Its working as intended

[olive canyon]

ICD on unseen is 15s?

[stiff stirrup]

Fk

[hazy breach]

Well yes but also no

Because it resets

[olive canyon]

Right just thinking about how likely it is that it can proc at that 20-25s mark

i suppose it doesnt matter

as rotations remains the same

[stoic anchor]

eleem sir. question. if i can't get 100 more haste through gear- is it fair to flask haste and regem/reenchant and that way i can get 700 haste ?

[hazy breach]

You want 700 hastte

[reef walrus]

since there's absolutely no way in game to see if your autoattacks reset unseen blades, the only way to keep the buff longer would be to not use builders

but that seems like a counterproductive move for your damage

[stoic anchor]

ty

[olive canyon]

right

its all purely academic in nature

[timid rose]

so more realistically 20 seconds in the window which aligns to the SB duration, with maybe some bonus time?

[olive canyon]

not practical

[warm marlin]

we do have builders that generate cp without proccing unseen blade

[olive canyon]

no its a min of 20s

[gleaming plank]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[olive canyon]

which is our burst window

[fair phoenix]

Hast cap still a thing on tmrw ? Especcialy for dungeons

[stoic anchor]

ofc

[hazy breach]

Ye but they dont do any damage

[reef walrus]

ranged rogue when?

[olive canyon]

haste is a thing - nothing changes

[hazy breach]

Yes literally nothing changes

Besides opener with premed

[warm marlin]

wdym shuriken toss goes crazy

[west arch]

I have a question: I have 3 items crafted with haste mastery, should I put critical haste on them?

[hazy breach]

No

[stoic anchor]

only thing is , for me specifically, idk what gear u guys have, if i also wanna get 700 haste, most of my crit and haste pieces are massive crit and i cannot get 700

[olive canyon]

has anyone simmed themselves on the new ptr changes to see a rough estimate of how crit is waited for trickster vs mastery?

Not sure how to do the ptr thing tbh

[hazy breach]

Just pop a crit flask instead of mastery

Boom thats it

[stoic anchor]

is there a soft line between stacking crit and still having some mastery? that's why we don't recraft<3?

[hazy breach]

Done

[stoic anchor]

but isn't crit bette than mastery? that's what i'm asking

[west arch]

Y have 22% crit 20 haste 85 mastery

[hazy breach]

Get you haste breakpoint then fill in the rest with crit+mastery

Same as before

[west arch]

Is good?

[keen dome]

Just get the Haste cap and then do whatever

[stoic anchor]

but question what would be better? i'm talking unbuffed for refferance. 32% crit 53% mastery OR 24% crit 68% mastery

[keen dome]

Is your haste = 700 (684 pre-oils) or greater? Just stack Crit+mastery. Donezo

[reef walrus]

this is a question only the sim can answer really, but it's going to be very small differences either way

I think you're putting way too much thought into secondaries

[steep raven]

How big is the cloud created by SB?

[stoic anchor]

in which case, if it's that close monkey brain likes crit on screen monkey do crit

[sharp ravine]

Massive

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/fog-supernatural-bye-leave-gif-10761056

[stoic anchor]

bigger than the pvp smoke bomb

[swift tinsel]

this big

[keen dome]

we get it, you vape

I saw a screenshot of it earlier, lemme find it

[astral axle]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-yellow-ranger-pose-explosion-gif-17715764

12.0.5 approaches

[keen dome]

I don't remember who posted it, I did not make it, but: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1495604247243526224/image.png?ex=69e6d97f&is=69e587ff&hm=b60a19a173b3c2921d38ac2cc5b363c6e7d7bdd56fbd97eed1736784bf985720&

[reef walrus]

you beat me to it 🙁

[swift tinsel]

pretty effin huge

[haughty mural]

holy

[keen dome]

Your post is better, Guy's example is more useful

[haughty mural]

thats huge

[gleaming plank]

Now blizzard is gonna add a bunch of gray mechanics to fuck with us

[swift tinsel]

like Ashen Hollow diameter

[astral axle]

Other people can see it right

[swift tinsel]

ye

[keen dome]

I hope so

[astral axle]

LMAO

[swift tinsel]

it'll likely be muted like other folks' spell effects are

[keen dome]

look man it's about time we got a cool visual to annoy people with

[swift tinsel]

or less visually obtrusive hopefully

[haughty mural]

i hope it will be exactly like that for other people

[stoic anchor]

I'm sick IRL and i cannot cook and i ordered and mf it's been 1h 15 mins and no tacos in sight

[swift tinsel]

I need to coach our tanks come tuesday that its a good thing to stand in

[haughty mural]

teach 'em

[keen dome]

What's the most annoying mechanic to pop it over. I need to know for malicious reasons.

[haughty mural]

vorasius tank hit ?

[keen dome]

oh, oh. Orb circles on Dwagons.

[keen dome]

oh that's a good one

[swift tinsel]

the -80% damage done circle on Crown

[reef walrus]

just stand in your ranged clump and pop it, see what happens

[keen dome]

Hahaha

Voraius and Dwagons are my current top two. Voraius is probably less annoying because you grow big and it glows red

But dwagon orb spawn circles. I bet I can kill people there.

[haughty mural]

hell yeah

[lyric patrol]

So will crit be better than mastery even in m+ now

[eternal abyss]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[swift tinsel]

think I might recraft my dagger at least to haste/crit instead of mastery since I'm quite mastery heavy atm

[hazy breach]

No

[keen dome]

I'll probably swap my gems once I've gotten myth nexus rings.

[swift tinsel]

as I have quite literally twice as much mastery as crit

[hollow spear]

Very modest

[thin sinew]

i'd wait until reset before doing anything so you know 100% sims are correct

i'm resisting upgrading or changing anything with myth crests just in case

[swift tinsel]

ye I'm not making any moves til I see how it goes live

[keen dome]

Ye there's no rush. We also need to see how the bonus rolls work and if they work as intended.

[swift tinsel]

^^

[olive canyon]

I couldnt search for it but once you select expert mode for simming- where and what do you paste to sim the PTR build pls?

[hollow spear]

I'll stack vers to hedge against inflationary prepatch sims!

[keen dome]

Become immune to damage

[swift tinsel]

mine will likely be pit and npx rings

[keen dome]

Gaze into Guidon into Nexus

[stoic anchor]

I'm affraid my guild will make me spec out of smokebomb cause they complain about shit like this. " i couldn't see " etc. i know it's skill issue but xd

[keen dome]

Come back in 7 weeks and see how lucky i've been.

[stoic anchor]

it is a really big smoke bomb xd

[swift tinsel]

I think we're starting with myth chim thurs since our RL was pugging for reps on it

so if we down it it'll be a gaze angle then too

[lyric patrol]

It actually messes with view? Thats pretty lame if true

[keen dome]

RL just slamming pugs to learn the fight?

[swift tinsel]

probs not using a vcore on myth guidon

[swift tinsel]

ye he's great

[keen dome]

That's a cool RL, honestly.

[swift tinsel]

real trooper

[keen dome]

Putting the time into actual practice goes so hard

[swift tinsel]

yeah he's easily the most prep-enthusiastic RL I've encountered

[haughty mural]

i used every influence i had to get our first myth guidon to our sub

[gleaming plank]

This patch makes solar flare prism a lot better right?

[swift tinsel]

can get a bit fixated on trying to force a single strat but he's gotten a lot better about being flexible and experimenting this season

which I appreciate

[timid rose]

meanwhile my RL is just over here vibeleading

[lilac stag]

Not any more than any other ground effects

[keen dome]

I think pugging does put you in a mind of how a fight SHOULD be solved. I'm very guilty of it, 'cos pug strats tend to be a thing for a reason, and in organized groups you can actually do sutff differently.

[lilac stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1495606826664988702/image.png?ex=69e784a6&is=69e63326&hm=6aa4319e2d370124e0dd6a6d3941305ca505e7aada45827df565efc8387efb10&

[haughty mural]

dev evokers firestorm really annoyed me last xpac

[olive canyon]

why does the sim backstab after dance (ptr sim)

[lilac stag]

Because you don’t have premed

So it’s likely trying to danse shit again

rerun it and see if it does it again

[olive canyon]

oh snap

ok will do

[lilac stag]

I only got it to do it once but maybe fuu or eleem has a better answer

[hazy breach]

Doesnt matter much for the results, but should be fixed soontm

[thin sinew]

[olive canyon]

it didnt do it this time

Maybe because the dance was followed by evis and not a builder

[stoic anchor]

yooo backstabing to 7cp is so cursed i can't even wrap my head around it... It's like that toxic ex which all of your friends told u she's bad for you but you were stuborn

[fleet acorn]

New addon for cuttoffs https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/keystone-cutoffs

[olive canyon]

according to the sim, 4 seconds before we can blast

[stoic anchor]

4s before what?:D

[olive canyon]

thats how long the opener before you pop it all is

[shrewd lantern]

that's like, 2s longer than it is rn

such a difference

[timid rose]

that's like twice as long!

[timid rose]

100% more time! 🙂

[olive canyon]

Not that bad really

[warm marlin]

if you are lusting on pull..

[stoic anchor]

I can't bro I just can't

[olive canyon]

itll feel poop but we will live

[stoic anchor]

I can't do it

[olive canyon]

and yes this is with full raid buffs with lust

without lust...

[stoic anchor]

it is like 1% difference?

[shrewd lantern]

2 backstabs in the opener is end of the world

[stoic anchor]

it is bro, it is.

[astral axle]

the backstab soup in the opener is just the apéritif

[warm marlin]

if you dont have lust and you happen to be in a key without a shaman

i will not speak

[stoic anchor]

what about the other times? when we're not in all cds and u want that full cp generation?

[warm marlin]

bad times ahead

[astral axle]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[shrewd lantern]

i mean in keys just storm open on trash?

idk

[warm marlin]

hm

ye saved i guess

[stoic anchor]

hooooly saved

[shrewd lantern]

i mean that's how it always was no?

since storm is more cp

[stoic anchor]

ephemeral bond goes hard: then you can tell your healers LOOK. I EVEN THOOK 8% HEALING INCREASE and u didn't heal me xd

[olive canyon]

no lust -

[warm marlin]

the main thing is you can lowroll

[shrewd lantern]

at least in raid you'll always have a shaman

:)

[stoic anchor]

yooo it's been 1h 45 min for that taco order my stomach is growling

[warm marlin]

im just speaking from experience here of playing no premed no lust on pull for beloren a bit

there are times it can be real bad

[shrewd lantern]

bro lives in the boonies

[olive canyon]

so a sim with war/monk/shaman buffs is almost 2k dps better than swapping shaman with hunter

ouch

[stoic anchor]

i swear they usually deliver in 30 mins, ordered v much from them in the past idk what happened now. a mistake but it's all g

[shrewd lantern]

I wouldnt trust a taco made in europe

alas

[chrome palm]

Them fixing the ghost shuriken storm bug and then this 😭

[olive canyon]

PTR stat weights for me right now - ST build patchwork 5 min-

[shrewd lantern]

using stat weights instead of topgear

[olive canyon]

let me try that instead

[lilac stag]

or just play premed.

[fair phoenix]

Have some reason for use trinket before and not together on a macro with shadow blades

[shrewd lantern]

they intentionally put stat weights in a back corner so people dont use it

and people still do

son 😭

[fair phoenix]

Do for dgs pls

[warm marlin]

there is a delay for the haste buff from guidon to apply to dance duration

idk what the command is anymore

dont think its !guidon

[lilac stag]

people don’t have gigga hard haste breakpoints any more, yet here we are.

[hollow spear]

Idk, I'm sometimes still looking at stat weights to understand why top gear makes certain decisions

[shrewd lantern]

thats above my paygrade

[warm marlin]

stat weights sometimes tells me how to set up my very important gem sims so I dont go over the 16M limit of iterations

[shrewd lantern]

I just pick 2 gems

[hollow spear]

This man speaks truth

[fair phoenix]

Bro wtf

Fuck blizzard

😡

[gilded ferry]

hmm, i cant import yet the new AoE talent on pins, is a new spell being introduced tomorrow? I thought cloud cover was getting remaked only

[hollow spear]

Forofnis catching up slower than deepening shadows

[lilac stag]

I’m confused at your confusion

[alpine wraith]

you are likely trying to import a 12.0.5 tree

into live

[lilac stag]

Cloud cover is new. Due to it talent choices are possibly changing.

[alpine wraith]

as you expect it wont work

cloud cover is not new but getting reworked kinda

[shrewd lantern]

just change them manually

its not alot

[gilded ferry]

the ST one worked, I was just trying to let it be ready

[alpine wraith]

yea

[fair phoenix]

What bro

I love sub

😭

[shrewd lantern]

the guidon thing has existed for weeks now

[alpine wraith]

some basic tree talents also changed

[sleek musk]

yeah i'm just used to pressing shadowblades after sec tech cause of last tier

[hazy breach]

Was no reason to last tier either

[fair phoenix]

I dont have guidon só is good to knoe

[shrewd lantern]

i feel the opener on sub

changes every season

[sleek musk]

that's true, just used to pressing it cause that's the way i grew up

[shrewd lantern]

the season before that you pressed blades before st landed

i.e lou

[fair phoenix]

Is good to know, now i need the guidance

[gilded ferry]

yep, that did the trick yea

[stoic anchor]

sick man. thank you<3

you got a really big heart and you're handsome

[shrewd lantern]

rogue bad

sit in city like npc

[fair phoenix]

I like

Secret tecnich on Israel plus shadow blades

Big dam

[alpine wraith]

second rogue living the mastery dream trust in the process

just crit every finisher

[stoic anchor]

yes but can we talk about max renown xd voidlight marl enjoyer

[fair phoenix]

I did 71 mastery

Not so much but

[alpine wraith]

my man has like 1900 or so dont recommend but it is funny

[fair phoenix]

????

Thats pdiddys values

Maybe If i switch rings and neck lol

[alpine wraith]

it is not good for dps dont do it

[dry flame]

I have slacked so hard. I had renown ~14 before season started, I'm about same now

Only silvermoon one max

[fair phoenix]

For fun only

[swift tinsel]

ye I've done zero rep shit besides soiree bc its easy coffer shards

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tulip viper]

can we launch puzzle box into the sun in favour of a crit trinket now then

[olive canyon]

damn approx gain of 2.3% if i swap all gems to crit/mast, recraft items to crit/haste and change enchant to janalais over arcane mastery

[timid rose]

in ST or Dslice?

[olive canyon]

ST

running dslice now to see how bad it is vs mast/crit or mast/haste

[serene notch]

Anyone have tips for getting the 2nd sectec in the blades window without guidon. I struggle with even 890 haste. (Need to flask to get over 800) By time I cast sec tec the CD remaining on it is almost always the same time as the remaining uptime on blades….

[warm marlin]

are you using a blades/dance/sectec macro

[fleet acorn]

U don’t try it just go for normal dance as 2nd and 3rd is sectech again After blades

[serene notch]

I use the dance/tec macro but that’s not helpful in the opening?

[warm marlin]

you should have a separate one that includes blades

if you have any gap between blades and sectec itll be harder to fit the second one in

[serene notch]

I see

[olive canyon]

sectecs clones hit 1.2s after initial hit?

[serene notch]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[warm marlin]

i could sometimes get both my clones in at 814 haste on laggy dummies in silvermoon yesterday

[serene notch]

No call out for blades/tec

I thought we shouldn’t do that?

[warm marlin]

you don't want to macro guidon with dance

blades with dance is fine as long as its a separate button

you might want to dance without blades

[edgy imp]

THERES A delay so idt you should macro trinket like that

[olive canyon]

what is the delay between hitting sectec and the clones hitting?

[warm marlin]

0.6s and 1.2s

[olive canyon]

ty

[serene notch]

1.2

[short aurora]

imagine they would fix deepening shadows on reset

[serene notch]

It’s that animation that kills me

[warm marlin]

i have a bind for guidon alone, blades/dance/racial/sectec, dance/sectec, and then the array of stupid dance/x macros for the second dance of blades

[edgy imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a21Y8wSZpVQUCaMjMTUgat something seems off but Forgotten Farstrider's Insignia is simming as my best secondary trinket even though its champion tier (+93 Agility +102 Mastery)

[warm marlin]

idk its a fine trinket

not sure on the proc rate of that delve thing

[lilac stag]

Gaze/Plume >> just about everything else. Use your best option, even if it’s just champ crucible.

[stoic anchor]

I'm worried about people bitching and moaning about how they couldn't see x on the ground cause of smoke bomb xd :))

Especially as an escuse if they don't wanna admit xd skill issue xd

[vague oar]

Is the fazed stacking to 3x thing only during smoke bomb, or will fazed still stack outside of it?

[stoic anchor]

During cloud cover

[tepid trellis]

only during the buff it gives

[vague oar]

Oki ty ty

[lucid jackal]

They will probably make the visual less massive for other ppl

They've done it for many other skills in the past

[stoic anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-choke-choking-shrek2-gif-17183852759234861318

[vague oar]

Are we still gonna wanna hold our second dance for second sectec, or send second dance immediately for more dance time in the smokebomb?