subtlety

[brisk onyx]

You are haste king

[tribal blade]

i dunno that's a lot of gear shenanigans

[neon frigate]

With lots of haste you can spam sectecs?

[tribal blade]

not sure if i want to commit to that right now

[tribal blade]

you need it to play DS

[thin sinew]

You'll certainly do more single target damage for the next
....

5 days

[tribal blade]

so true lol

yeah i'm not gonna do it right now

[thin sinew]

would be sorta awesome if DS had decent cleave but it has like nothing

[lilac stag]

We are not playing DS

[tribal blade]

we are not playing DS

[lilac stag]

Cloud Cover stonks 🚀

[lucid jackal]

all for it to be worse on reset

[tribal blade]

lol true

in before cloud cover is troll because too much movement

[steel wyvern]

have we simmingtonned it yet

[thin sinew]

in before cloud cover bugged and does 5 times the damage before nerfing it the next day . then bug fixing it the following week

[graceful osprey]

I want to make a gear set where I just stack a crap ton of haste just to see how high I can go

[lilac stag]

We don’t sim in only feels

[steel wyvern]

true

cloud cover is op for sure

super op

(0.5%)

[lilac stag]

feels and guy vibes

[thin sinew]

funnily enough i said that to my GM today when he was looking at my manual droptimizer.

i just said i can't simcraft due to breakpoint i can only feelscraft

[steel wyvern]

tell him to suck ur

[thin sinew]

it worked so hey didn't need to go that far

[steel wyvern]

oh nice

[tribal blade]

holy fucking shit i tabbed out to read here and died doing a prey

you guys owe me 5 mins of my time

[steel wyvern]

yeah i said that to my gm

[swift tinsel]

preys are fucking dumb

[steel wyvern]

and he went to rogue disc and

[lilac stag]

you can top gear your shit, just droptimizer is 💩

[swift tinsel]

change my mind (you can't)

[thin sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[steel wyvern]

[lilac stag]

yeah 32 haste really makes up for the haste on crown neck.

[south moss]

is there some sort of mastery cap at which point it makes sense to prioritize crit>mastery? Or do I just keep pumping into mastery?

[fair phoenix]

question

on mythic chimerius

[steel wyvern]

well it depends who you ask

[fair phoenix]

if i got dispell i can do the soak on my group?

[south moss]

i know the answer is probably "just sim" but would be nice to know if theres some number

[steel wyvern]

and if you want the correct answer or not

[fair phoenix]

its like hc, the dispell desapear

[steel wyvern]

cause if you asked foreverguy he would say crit

but actually the answer is mastery

[lucid jackal]

Theres no real numbers

Just sim and let the sim figure it out

[south moss]

just mastery forever?

[lucid jackal]

crit will probablY get better on reset tho

[steel wyvern]

haste to 700 > mast = crit >>>>>>vers

think like that

[lucid jackal]

crit and mastery are similar value

Mastery gains more value in aoe, crit in ST

But items have 2 stats on them, and 700 isnt that much haste

So U end up picking crit/mastery on a lot of gera

[south moss]

ok but is there no cap at which point you get diminishing returns on mastery? sry if dumb q

[lucid jackal]

There is but dnt think abt it

Let the sim think it for u

[south moss]

lol ok

ty

[lucid jackal]

Dont think

trust the bot

[astral axle]

one step ahead

[lilac stag]

get 700 haste, don’t let sim change anything with haste. Change everything else and see what it wants

[steel wyvern]

u dont reach the cap atm

[astral axle]

of you

[steel wyvern]

its almost impossible

to reach the cap rn

with correct gearing

even with flask im at like

[lilac stag]

Have you met Dino?

[steel wyvern]

1100 to 1200 mastery rn

and softcap i think is 13-1400

[astral axle]

the only thing in my head is dreams of

fartcloud

[south moss]

ok, w flask I have 1460 mastery atm lol

[steel wyvern]

not good

[lucid jackal]

U probs want to go crit flask

[steel wyvern]

sim the flask change

shouldnt be too big tho

u arent much above the softcap

[thin sinew]

plume stocks go hard

[south moss]

@lucid jackal @steel wyvern mastery flask still sims higher

[lucid jackal]

this is why U dont pay attention to stats

Just trust da robot dont think

have 700 haste

[south moss]

yeah its just annoying to have to robot all the time but I guess it is what it is

[stuck arrow]

Paladins prog is really fun.

[manic salmon]

Holy fuck i've been griefing myself so fucking much

i haven't been playing the spell queue latency

which meant i was missing gcds in shadow dance more often than not

[steel wyvern]

W

[alpine wraith]

sadly mastery stack is relegated to second rogue

[thin sinew]

from changing plume to crit +some hero items for -70mastery for crit

[gilded ferry]

is guy excited to leave this channel for good and go back to the law

[alpine wraith]

but that one is running the 200 haste snap

[steel wyvern]

xd

[thin sinew]

fuck outlaw

[lucid jackal]

I will be trying to play outlaw on farm

as long as trickster ends up being fun

[manic salmon]

how big of a gain pct wise is cloud cover going to be

[warm marlin]

like 6-7% st patchwerk and 20+% in burst

[warm marlin]

6767

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/trying-not-to-challenge-blank-meme-template-melting-sweating-sweat-gif-26638040

[thin sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-no-excuse-gif-24460693

[manic salmon]

does this mean we'd have to invest a bit more in crit due to losing no scruples

[warm marlin]

surprising strikes is also tripled so crit becomes omega

[spring viper]

probably a dumb quiestion but what poisons are you guys using? noticing some of the builds on archon might be using wound poison

[manic salmon]

it's only attacks that generate combo points

in which case... the rotten? 👀

oh wait it's not a guaranteed crit anymore

[lucid jackal]

AND THE ROTTEN STOCKS

CHART TRENDING UPWARDS

[lucid jackal]

U do drop finality for rotten

[manic salmon]

you always want to run atrophic, and the lethal poison is just a freeforall

[thin sinew]

The rotton Perforated Veins Lingering shadow stocks

[lucid jackal]

U always play instant

[manic salmon]

instant poison deals more damage very slightly, but wound poison

is good if there are mobs that heal

[lucid jackal]

U play wound for healing dungeons

Which idk where they all are

[manic salmon]

yeeee

[lucid jackal]

U only play wound for the heal cut

[swift tinsel]

the only partial healing thing off the top of my head is Transferrence

[lucid jackal]

Most ppl just talent it for IF they need to

[swift tinsel]

but I'm also not thinking hard about it

[manic salmon]

you can also swap midway throughout the dungeon

it's good against bats in xenas i guess

oh magisters terrace as well

[warm marlin]

maisara guys

[swift tinsel]

haven't been there in weeks lol

[brisk onyx]

for sub or outlaw?

[warm marlin]

sub

outlaw gains more

[faint gorge]

why not just go acuity in mainhand and offhand?

[alpine wraith]

yea you dont change much

[brisk onyx]

Ok now the question is how to keep us in cloud, for example, AA's first bigggg pull

[warm marlin]

big cloak

[thin sinew]

just feint then when you die so you did everything you could and blame the healer for bricking the key

[lucid jackal]

It lingers for a really long time after u leave

its not ideal ofc but like

Ull be fine

As long as ur in it right as it disapates, u get full value

[thin sinew]

I guess they did that so you can move out of the cloud for mechanics so long as you get back in it before it ends you get the full effect?

[lucid jackal]

Yer

Its very large as well

[thin sinew]

same as the distract cloud? or bigger?

[lucid jackal]

Left is pvp smoke bomb, right is cloud cover

[brisk onyx]

150% crit damage is so hot, I hit 150k ss in ptr

[thin sinew]

so basically that

that is pretty big

[lucid jackal]

Yeah seems as big as distract

[thin sinew]

so question is how many times do we die from it hiding a ground mechanic xD

[swift tinsel]

if its that size for the cloud we're gucci lol

[solemn lance]

do sims account for the 700 haste or do we still need to do the stones for the weapons

[opal basalt]

Wait wtf is cloud cover

I’m out of the loop

[lilac stag]

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[lucid jackal]

new hero talent

Very strong

Big boom

[opal basalt]

On trickster or ds?

[lucid jackal]

Trickster

[opal basalt]

Thank you sir

[lucid jackal]

Replace AR with blades here

[opal basalt]

This sounds cool

It kinda looks like a visual clarity nightmare

Watch me eat a swirly through that

[thin sinew]

healers fault

[opal basalt]

True true

[tawny peak]

It's about time we get to polute the ground like other classes... ehem, that's excluding poison bomb...

[dense geode]

luckily it seems kind of transparent compared to the vibrant siwlr colors

unless its that weird green

[brisk onyx]

Can other mate see the cloud?

[short radish]

MC trolls at the start of dungeon
Nexus point right side has shield
MT has mobs that cast shield but i don't think its super worth there

[lucid jackal]

It gives u a lot of DR

[cyan saddle]

i have 1400 mastery... is that too much? 😓

[lucid jackal]

This stacks

So u have 15% dr

[tribal blade]

wait the DR stacks too?

that's cool

[lucid jackal]

[tribal blade]

that's rad af

[opal basalt]

Yeah just read solo‘s pin

[lucid jackal]

So does this

its what makes rotten good

[brisk onyx]

Holy if rotten still have the 100%crit

[tribal blade]

MMMM

[brisk onyx]

[tribal blade]

i didn't think about the stacking of other stuff, that's why it's so strong

makes sense

[thin sinew]

isn't it 15% DR
24% Amp from unseen blade
150% builder crits
9% amp from hoodwink

it's like giga

[tribal blade]

this might make sub stronger in keys

having more burst

[lucid jackal]

[opal basalt]

Suddenly looking forward to first pull PoS next week

[somber sun]

hey guys, is cc worth considering or should I fully invest into mastery after reaching 730 ish haste ?

[tribal blade]

what's the current cd of AR accounting for cdr

[lucid jackal]

Idk the number but

The buff has 50% uptime for outlaw

[tribal blade]

wtf

that's crazy

[lucid jackal]

So based on that, probs around 40 sec CD

[thin sinew]

to be fair all our damage is in our 20 seconds xD

[brisk onyx]

🏄‍♂️

[tribal blade]

nah it's not like TWW

most of our dmg is in dance now

[thin sinew]

just pull up a deckchair and vibe for next blades

[tribal blade]

but this makes blades a lot stronger

[lucid jackal]

Its like a 20% buff to our damage in CDs

Js

[shrewd lantern]

Is there a reason some tank players

pull 2-3 mobs

wait 10 seconds

then pull another 3

????

[tribal blade]

they're stupid

[brisk onyx]

they're stupid

[tribal blade]

that can also happen though if the tank is going into a pull dry

[shrewd lantern]

like you do less damage as a tank even by doing that shit

[tribal blade]

better than gathering a big pull with nothing rolling and then getting globaled

[thin sinew]

i mean
20% on those peeks is pretty damn big

[somber sun]

they dont wanna get burst maybe

[shrewd lantern]

yeah but generally if im dry i prefer just finishing off a group

then going into a bigger group with cds

[tribal blade]

it is yeah, we definitely have more dmg in blades than outlaw has in AR

[thin sinew]

i'm curious to see how it actually plays out especially with how these fights are currently playing

[zenith mirage]

do we have overall numbers alrdy or

surely its like 5-6% no?

on st

[lucid jackal]

Like 6ish yeah

[zenith mirage]

not bad not bad

[tribal blade]

it does create the situation where you have to be very careful when you pop blades

[swift tinsel]

wish we had lifegrip

auto-cast on tanks if they start to kite

[shrewd lantern]

now make nimble cleave ss and evis

[swift tinsel]

AND MAKE IT CLEAVE CRIT DMG

[tribal blade]

now to make a fun "BLADES UP DON'T MOVE" macro

[thin sinew]

make nimble great again T.T

[swift tinsel]

good*

[thin sinew]

alright*

[tribal blade]

i would be fine if they didn't add strike to nimble, just evis

[shrewd lantern]

just insert a chinese copypasta

into your blades macro

[swift tinsel]

ye evisc would be good

[zenith mirage]

so theoretically

[swift tinsel]

BP can be the big bongo aoe finisher on 8+

[zenith mirage]

can u dip out n in

[swift tinsel]

like the good lord/target cap intended

[shrewd lantern]

yk what i miss

the chinese copypasta wa someone made

for the fyrak axe

[tribal blade]

part of the reason why they removed it was because the builder/spender priority for sub was very confusing for people picking up the spec

[shrewd lantern]

"protect the vip"

[zenith mirage]

@lucid jackal 👀

[swift tinsel]

yeah, but that was more of an extension of FW being butt

[zenith mirage]

or does it disappear once u dip out

[tribal blade]

i assume yes

[swift tinsel]

and the relative tuning of BP

[zenith mirage]

if we can dip out of it and just hop in last sec to extend the duration its dope af ngl

[tribal blade]

good thing is the bomb is quite big

[swift tinsel]

yeah that part is bueno

[thin sinew]

#subtlety message

[swift tinsel]

I would like to become Smoke

[zenith mirage]

fuark..

such a shame

atleast its gonna be fun to play around ig

[thin sinew]

!cloud

[tribal blade]

!guy

[shrewd lantern]

does the 10s countdown start as soon as you leave

[thin sinew]

!Bestguy

[lucid jackal]

yes

[shrewd lantern]

so you cant leave early

at all

[lucid jackal]

You can?

It lasts for 10 seconds

If u enter again, it restarts

[shrewd lantern]

so wouldnt you step out

at like 8 or 9

refresh it

[thin sinew]

don't need to metagame it like that

[shrewd lantern]

then let it expire

[zenith mirage]

think it makes the most sense to get full uptime worst case scenario just make it so that u fit 2nd sectech in the window

[thin sinew]

it's just active while in cloud with duration of 10sec after you leave. either by it vanishing or you moving

[tribal blade]

i assume it's not the end of the world if you don't get the full duration so long as you get the majority of it

[zenith mirage]

devs cooked

[lucid jackal]

It has no duration while ur in it

Idk how more clearly I can explain ti

While ur in the cloud, it has infinite duration

Its just an active buff

When you are no longer in the cloud, a 10 second timer starts

[shrewd lantern]

ahh so timer only begins after you are out

[lucid jackal]

correct

[tribal blade]

can't wait for a bug where you just have perma duration no matter what

[thin sinew]

same as assa's carnage used to work

oh boy wait what if it bugs so stacking rogues can use each others

[gleaming crane]

What is the opener than for m+ and st

[shrewd lantern]

yk i cant wait for the pvp complaints

since it has the same visual

as smokebomb

[thin sinew]

Excuse me reddit complainer it's actually smaller

pretty obvious it's not smokebomb

[gleaming crane]

Are we using blades into Storm Dance and sec tech for aoe to get the fazed stacks in the First sec

[tribal blade]

holy shit sub is about to be cracked in pvp again

[thin sinew]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh

[shrewd lantern]

idk i watched the tourney

4 monks in a 6 player game

nice balance

[lucid jackal]

Heres an image to send to ppl if anybody asks about the talent btw

[tribal blade]

legit take this

the dmg amp mitigates that

and you have way more gos

[shrewd lantern]

i think pvpers default disarm

for most melee teams

[lucid jackal]

Wowhead OP

[tribal blade]

they do yeah, that talent is really good

[shrewd lantern]

and feint dr during stuns

is super good

[tribal blade]

and then smokebomb is mandatory

[gleaming crane]

I mean with the new changes next week

[lucid jackal]

It doesnt change

[tribal blade]

if you delay sectec during blades

very bad

[cloud barn]

are the set rings from nexus point any fun?

[lucid jackal]

Fun not really

Good yeah

[zenith mirage]

i wonder how much its gonna affect stats

[lucid jackal]

crit probs gets a smidge better

[zenith mirage]

has to be crit flask angle 24/7 now

went thru vods its gonna be pretty easy to play around ngl

[thin sinew]

Some people crit flask is already better

[zenith mirage]

first 10 sec of blades are usually very stationary for me (micromovement only)

eating good on wednesday

[thin sinew]

Gotta survive friday evening tuning bluepost first 💀

The one they send and run out the office

[zenith mirage]

ngl id be very surprised if it gets changed heavily

even a slight nerf to it still makes it giga

even if its gutted to the ground and it ends up being +2% its still gonna be fun to play around since we lost alot of minmax

esp on heavy movement fights like lura

[wary locust]

is it better for me to craft 2x 285 daggers or 1x 285 and a 276 hungering?

[vagrant sinew]

2nd option and craft something else

[wicked urchin]

wow i love the performance on belo

just love it

[gilded ferry]

no way that the clover cloud stays like this

15% dr and up to 24% of dps in outlaw is insane

[fluid lintel]

it's trash?

[wicked urchin]

so bad

[lucid jackal]

No way rogue gets anything good

its also not a 24% dps increase

[stoic anchor]

Lol who said anything about 24 xd where are u getting this propaganda from ?

[gilded ferry]

exactly my point, they will dial back on that

[lucid jackal]

Bro just making up numbers

[gilded ferry]

nah man, just misread the pin in outlaw

goddamn

"3 stacks of Fazed means targets take 24% extra damage instead of 8%, and also take +150% crit damage from builders instead of +50%."

i just misread that

[lucid jackal]

its like a 12ish for otl

I mean outlaw sucks so

It legit needs it

[stoic anchor]

I love deathstalker so much more than trickster

Just cause of how coup isn't instant like any other ability so i hope dS will be making a comeback in next patch

[gilded ferry]

it would be huge if the cloud cover worked as a darkness though

[stoic anchor]

And all the perks like mlg reduccing shadowstep cd and 7s cloak xd

So cloud cover going to be meta next patch?

[wraith sphinx]

thematically cloud cover is sick as fuck actually

diving in and out of a smoke cloud is cool

[tidal solstice]

i love coup de grace. it makes sub more flashy and looks cool af

[thin sinew]

And hits like a truck

[tidal solstice]

anyways just pugged mythic imp and vors. hope to get a mythic guidon in vault 😛

[gilded thistle]

cdg is actually goated

[stoic anchor]

You'd love it more if it was just an eviscerate hitting all the dmg in 1 hit

[gilded thistle]

makes using sword tmog as sub feel so slick

[fluid lintel]

sword and dagger

[tidal solstice]

i love the animation idgaf

[fluid lintel]

bis mog

[tidal solstice]

fr. can mog legion thunderfuries on sub. thats why theres only 2 rogue specs

[wraith sphinx]

yea big agree i've been brainwashed into loving coup's animation

that swish swing swosh hits right

[tidal solstice]

big dopamine

[fluid lintel]

It sounds like a saw

and me likey

[tidal solstice]

it breaks up the monotony of the rotation just enough to make it all very satisfying

without needing buttons

[wraith sphinx]

yeah, with how simple sub is now, take what we can get lol

[tidal solstice]

i think they should lean far more into stuff like CDG, glaive for survivals CD and raptor swipe for instance, change them buttons we already got based on coditionals.

[shrewd lantern]

daggers look better

i dont make the rules

[tidal solstice]

I do use daggers on most mogs

[shrewd lantern]

like yah lol

legion tfury is cool though

[hazy lichen]

Would this work for aoe pulls so the recklessness doesnt give me haste since its being used before guidon

[tidal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/jjjj-gif-14150446153159450890

you dont want to macro guidon with blades

[hazy lichen]

why

[steel horizon]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[hazy lichen]

thought it was dance

[steel horizon]

oh it doesnt show in the command

its cus itt takes around 1s for guidon to effect your dance duration

[tidal solstice]

this takes up to 1 second to update with guidon

[hazy lichen]

yea

i have strike macros with guidon

[tidal solstice]

i just have a dedicated trinket button which i press when i shadowstrike

[hazy lichen]

this what i use

but i wanna know if i press that macro i sent will recklessness give haste or not cause its used before it pressed the trinket

[tidal solstice]

test it and report back

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal its the tech

[lucid jackal]

[hazy lichen]

it works

it gives mastery

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[neon frigate]

is it possible to carry two farstrider mercies?

it is not unique equiped right?

[steel horizon]

idk but dont craft offhand. its bad

[craggy quail]

nice mog

[iron plover]

does veiltouch talent make all your abilities deal magic dmg, including like AA's? anyone know

[warm marlin]

no it makes your magic damage abilities do 5% more damage

[opal shadow]

Wait what? Do I macro it first then?

[steel horizon]

you can not macro it

[hardy sun]

!log

[lilac stag]

Which tech did you mess with?

[short radish]

secret tech

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

st dn

[quaint lodge]

Is beloren a real boss next week

[strange chasm]

post log

[outer orchid]

its so fun to pug :)
all groups had 1 dps in them when signing up

probably wont even go for 3.4k like i wanted to
this shit sucks

[hearty mural]

Just got the noti for this smh. Appreciate it

Should I not be trying to get 17-18% haste ?

[pulsar prawn]

I'm falling into the sim trap of gems/trying to get stats correct. do I trust sims or is the haste breakpoint mandatory for the extra global

[worn canopy]

are we ever casting slice and dice? im not seeing it in any prio list

[kindred socket]

A talent makes evis give you slice and dice

[tribal blade]

what's your IO

[bleak night]

4890

[tribal blade]

goddamn

[sturdy mortar]

damn, Bel is actually exodia

[bleak night]

its bc i dont play rogue so i get invited to keys

[outer orchid]

3197

[tribal blade]

have you timed a 15 yet

[outer orchid]

yes

[tribal blade]

how many

[outer orchid]

i've only been able to get invited to a single group for one

i have 14s for everything else

[tribal blade]

there's why you're not getting invited

[outer orchid]

so i need 15s done to get into 15s

nice

[tribal blade]

not trying to be an asshole, it's just reality

yes

[outer orchid]

sounds like irl job hunting

[tribal blade]

exactly lol

[outer orchid]

i hate this game

[pulsar prawn]

welcome to m+

[outer orchid]

correction*

i hate m+

[tribal blade]

yup that's just how it works

[kindred socket]

Hate to be that guy but you gotta do your own key 🙁

[tribal blade]

if you don't have a single of that key level timed yet or just 1 it's really hard to get into groups

then you time 1 more and it gets slightly easier

and so on and so forth

[outer orchid]

until you get to the next key level

smfh

[tribal blade]

exactly

it starts all over again

[outer orchid]

just remove m+ from the game already

give every class a tank spec

trust

[wispy zephyr]

And when you get to title level keys that are very scarce in the finder, that's the funnest part

[pulsar prawn]

easiest solution is find a good premade to push with

[outer orchid]

i think after i get 3.2k im just done with m+
unfortunately i'll still have to do 8 10s but whatever
so little gain for so much trouble
at least with raid i feel rewarded by killing a boss that took 20+ pulls

maybe if 15+ 17-18+ had a chance to drop myth track i'd be more interested in pushing higher

but it just isnt worth the effort

[wintry heart]

Been trying to run my own key all week

[narrow shadow]

Sub dead?

[outer orchid]

rogue dead

[narrow shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-coffin-meme-rip-gif-16909625

[outer orchid]

15% aura buff when

actual raid buff when

at least when most other classes are dogshit they still bring raid utility

we bring damage
but not as much as other classes with more usefulness
math not mathing

[kindred socket]

Yeah, being a rogue hard right now

[spice kelp]

Benched for mythic prog by 2nd dk. Rock onnnn

[jade oasis]

yeah people don’t even apply to my key

[north marlin]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[wintry heart]

Yeah give us a raid buff or make us busted on the meters

[outer orchid]

feral druid is always staying losing though
because most would rather bring an rdruid for buff if they're forced

[weak glade]

what buff are yall talkin foor aa

[tribal blade]

that's a better problem to have than your entire class is useless to bring

feral has also been in demand for phys comp keys from what i've seen

since they like running rsham and want motw from a melee source

[west tide]

dam we had a 1% on alleria

gg next week

[somber fog]

we already know how good will be Cloud Cover?

[somber fog]

thx frend

[dry flame]

And this week we had a 1% dmg increase global, so technically it would've been more - take comfort that if you get 0 gear on reset, and you play the same way, you'll kill her next week with 2% global buff

[dusky yacht]

Punz hopemaxxing as always ❤️

[dry flame]

I am big doom this week, so I have to be for others

[dusky yacht]

What happen

[modern sentinel]

Dont be doom be coom,no wait

[dry flame]

Started with throwaway vault, big work week, yesterday I come home exhausted, and no internet all night, service provider problems, shit drops and the free time I had couldn't even use

[dusky yacht]

Jesus

That sucks

Yesterday I had a really bad raid (imo) and I was dooming like mad

And then I got promoted to raider from trial

[dry flame]

Big Guidon carry

Raiderkage

[outer orchid]

i read this as you getting promoted FROM raider TO trial

[dusky yacht]

Manifest guidon (龍花山海風)
Parse powerfully (電火空星月)
Bring pride to raidleader (虎雲雷川森)
Spread genetic information (夢雪天光石)

[brisk onyx]

[dusky yacht]

Also accurate

[dry flame]

You forget one last thing

• Use renown trinket for 2+ months

[dusky yacht]

I am schrodingers raider, my trial is unending

[modern sentinel]

I remember they forgot to promote me to raider for like ages in other guild. "Wait,arent you raider?"

[keen dome]

We're gonna get rogue tuning announcement today.

I can feel it

[modern sentinel]

I didny check either

[brisk onyx]

Those word never match Chinese

[outer orchid]

i kind of want to find a 3-day raiding guild but i hate doing the searching/recruiting process

[brisk onyx]

Nice meme

[outer orchid]

might just wait until s2

[keen dome]

We're gonna get an aura buff and a hat buff and a posion toggle and a raid buff

[dry flame]

I'm looking for a 0 day raiding guild so I don't have to comit to a schedule

[dusky yacht]

[dry flame]

Unfortunately mythic lockouts exist

[outer orchid]

mythic lockouts kinda cringe

[dusky yacht]

I missed a raid last week and I was like I wanna pug imperator and guildies were like hand on shoulder meme

But then I got myth guidon in vault

ok.jpg

[vale pine]

understood, we implemented a new talent

[dry flame]

I'm gonna pug/reclear myth Chim tonight or weekend and lose the roll for Gaze, that's my plan

[vale pine]

cloud cover seems interesstingly coded

[dusky yacht]

[vale pine]

with the potential to cook the servers

[keen dome]

oh no

[dry flame]

Fuu, no more monkey paw, please, no more

[dusky yacht]

Yo are we cooking fr now

[dry flame]

😢

[dusky yacht]

I can't wait to crash the server because I used blades on world boss

[vale pine]

so, we now just need to help blizz stress test the servers

and play with only rogue as dps on a encounter with a lot of targets

[dry flame]

What if TLT is not abbreviation for "The Last Titan", but "The Latest Tank" and it's actually a rogue spec

[vale pine]

lol

[dusky yacht]

And we have to tank the raids, we're the mythic bosses

[wild vine]

Never, because new rogue spec will be Alchemist, Support class like aug

[outer orchid]

give

[dry flame]

And we get into pugs

[outer orchid]

i would actually kinda fw that

[vale pine]

outlaw becomes the tank spec

assassination the support spec

[keen dome]

nooo

[vale pine]

problems solved

[keen dome]

No changing specs into other things. Add new ones!

[vale pine]

haha

[dusky yacht]

Don't say that in assas channel lmaoo

[dry flame]

I still like the idea of a "Knifejuggler" spec that's ranged and still uses daggers

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/muppetwiki-muppets-angry-mob-frog-prince-8PfKWm6AX1IdDRARyg

[vale pine]

aug is in general rly good

so idk

[outer orchid]

just make 5 specs per class
1 for pvp
1 for m+
1 for raid
1 tank
1 healer
trust it's meta

[vale pine]

adding more specs

[fossil forge]

Aug players are passengers

[dusky yacht]

I complained about us not having aug evoker in our mythic raid and now a guildie is leveling one

[somber fog]

they can't even make 1 good aand you want 5

[vale pine]

to a game that already struggles to balance the current set of classes

sounds like a smart move

[dusky yacht]

They're just playing 5d chess fuu you wouldn't understand

[wild vine]

The idea that if a rogue gets brought it will only be one spec because its ranged and the others can f off?

[dry flame]

Imo, rogue should be the only candidate to get a 4 spec next to druids.

We are least popular, with absolutely no diversity for role or dps type (ranged/melee)

[keen dome]

I think it is because then we'll have a tank spec

[vale pine]

the problem is

if you now break it

by e.g. adding a ranged dps

why play melee

[dry flame]

I'm not saying we should get a ranged

But a new role

Because we have no diversity

[keen dome]

Warlock, Hunter, Rogue and Mage should all get one non-DPS spec each.

[modern sentinel]

combine ass&sub to 1 spec

[vale pine]

you would need to add a heal or tank spec

realistically

[outer orchid]

mage tank with magic armor holy moly

[dusky yacht]

Healing poisons

[dry flame]

They already bring raid stuff tho, and ranged is always good

[keen dome]

mage healer imo

[dry flame]

I don't agree

[wild vine]

Hell no. I cant tank more blues and hunters

[vale pine]

and i am not sure how rogue healer works

[dry flame]

Valeera will teach us

[dusky yacht]

runs up to main tank, bandages

[keen dome]

Rogue tank makes the most sense to me

[vale pine]

"let me stab you a bit to ease the pain"

[outer orchid]

like a plague doctor

idk

[somber fog]

like valeera, you throw stuff on ppl🤣

[dusky yacht]

[dry flame]

Potions, tonics, injections, smuggler brining remedies

[vale pine]

oh ye

[bleak night]

Valeera stabs enemies to heal you

[brisk onyx]

this seems happened in classical plus

[bleak night]

Would be like mw or atonement

[vale pine]

i did not play it in classic, how well did it work?

[bleak night]

But kind of a stretch

[keen dome]

Big "eeeh"

[dry flame]

We can literally be stabbing allies with poison (different dosage makes it medicine)

[wild vine]

Classic itself is a big eeeehh

[keen dome]

People like to bring up SoD but it isn't really relevant imho 'cos the class design is a world of difference.

[vale pine]

tbh i like the idea

[bleak night]

I feel like an evasion tank rogue spec wouldn't be hard to make

Idk if I would want that

But I think it wouldn't be hard to make

[vale pine]

hey, you are wounded, lets add another wound to 'cure' you

[keen dome]

I think you steal a bit from druid and a bit from monk and then give it it's own flavour

[wild vine]

Can make it a duelist

[outer orchid]

get this guy in contact with blizzard

[wild vine]

Hopefully not

[dry flame]

Tbf, that's literally how they make remedies for poisons haha

[wild vine]

I like him

[keen dome]

Evasion stacking and then some kind of Stagger-esque mechanic

[wild vine]

But respectfully no

[brisk onyx]

Just a Flesh Wound (Chest Rune): The essential tanking rune. It reduces physical damage taken, increases threat generation, and enables the ability to taunt with Tease.
Blade Dance (Leg Rune): A finisher that increases parry chance and attack power, allowing for better avoidance and increased damage-based threat.
Main Gauche (Leg Rune): Provides a high-threat, low-energy attack, ideal for opening on targets.

[wild vine]

Healer rogue is offputting to say the least

[dry flame]

[brisk onyx]

^ Classic (specifically in the Season of Discovery

[dusky yacht]

Taunt with tease and you get voice lines with mild humiliation

[brisk onyx]

[wild vine]

Also duelist might add interesting mechanics

Like an actual riposte

Stuff like that

[vale pine]

you enter the raid, your friendly rogue healer hands you this.
What would you do?

[wild vine]

https://tenor.com/view/beer-tornado-beer-tornado-gif-6610845297428948816

[outer orchid]

[vital flax]

Whats the fastest way to farm heroic/myth crest?

[wild vine]

M+

Ig

[vale pine]

probably spamming m+

[brisk onyx]

I personally think Classical SOD is quite fun, but this mode doesn't seem to be very popular. The last time I paid attention to it was in P6 (MC)

[vale pine]

i was dissapointed by it

[vital flax]

Still cant believe theres no catchup on crest. came back this week and having to farm 1000crest is fucking diabolical

[vale pine]

you can remove the debuff with cloak and similar

[dusky yacht]

Rogues OP

[hallow night]

outlaw rogue needs to become a tank spec. it was fantastic in SoD. great on physical bosses, horrible on magic bosses.

[wild vine]

Its good that there isnt. Gotta play the game to play the game

Cant just hand everything out for free that others had to actually do something for

[south robin]

For m+ build, does the 800 haste break point still apply?

[wild vine]

Gearing is fast as is

[outer orchid]

better than having your cap only increase each week starting from when you logged on

from 0

[dusky yacht]

Pretty sure it's about 700 but yes

Do get the haste break point it feels amazing

[wild vine]

800 is for without guidon

[dusky yacht]

Oh

[south robin]

Yeah, figured 800 cause you prolly wanne rock puzzle box ?

[vital flax]

Meh i mean if you were there from day one weekly capping is easy and happens by itself. Coming back to the game a month later and having to farm it all one shot is crazy. I think doing somehtinn g like double crest earned up until you caught up to the current week would be fine. Like the current cap is 500 then you get douible crest up until youve reached 400

[wild vine]

As far as I've seen people tend to get decently more mastery

[wild vine]

It is as easy as later on

[dry flame]

We used to have taunt tbf

[wild vine]

Since you get the same amount

You literally have to play the same amount of keys

You will however even end up with less keys overall

Since at the beginning you spammed keys while at the cap for gear

So its in some way even more efficient as is, because the cap is so high

[keen dome]

You'll have to grind out the gear to even upgrade anyway, which is going to take longer, realistically, than the crest caps

[tribal blade]

does anyone have any hot tips for alleria prog

we're gonna have paladins dead next raid night most likely

[brisk onyx]

cast blade ~10sec after pull

[tribal blade]

sounds like a plan

[brisk onyx]

and it’s a ST combo

[tribal blade]

oh yeah i assume you go full ST dam for it

for sure

[dense geode]

during intermission press dance for supercharge

[tribal blade]

also good tip, i always forget about that

are there any easy ways to int

[dense geode]

int like die?

[tribal blade]

int like fuck over the raid

[dense geode]

lol yes plenty

[tribal blade]

amazing

just looking to find the most common mistakes

[dense geode]

One of the most annoying melee fights i think ive played since DF

[tribal blade]

i've heard yeah

[dense geode]

Most common is 99% obelisk direction

[tribal blade]

in P2?

[dense geode]

every phase

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[brisk onyx]

also

[dense geode]

well p3 its kind of organized since raid moves as a unit

[tribal blade]

oh do you need to hit images in every phase

[brisk onyx]

be careful your step stacks

[dense geode]

no its not that you need to hit iamges its just very easy to point at the ranged players and kill them

[tribal blade]

AH ok

[dense geode]

The P2 images are difficult though in there own way.

[tribal blade]

yeah the melee one out in africa

looks atrocious

[dense geode]

it turns dark purple to indicates its getting hit

[tribal blade]

i saw yeah

actually changes quite a bit

which is nice

[short radish]

the buff also disappears when you log off for long enough

biggest let down

[brisk onyx]

Aiming at illusions in p2 has a delay

so

[tribal blade]

before it registers you're actually pointing at it?

[dense geode]

i think what killed us more than the aiming was not properly baiting the obelisk before they spawn

yea it takes a second to update that dark glow

[tribal blade]

gotcha ok

[brisk onyx]

When you see the illusion grow larger and then stop, you may have gone too far and need to take a step or two back

[tribal blade]

cool cool

oh do melee bait obelisks too

might have missed that

[vale pine]

oh, didn't know that

[short radish]

yeah idk if it acutally did do stuff in the past

but i was rather sad when i logged on

to not have the debuff

[vale pine]

i just had fun with some guildies

and we found out it wasn't as permanent as you would assume

[cosmic owl]

I've been unable to play the game for a few weeks. Might be a silly question, but is crafting a dagger wiht myth crest still the go-to thing? Or will I be getting a better dagger elsewhere?

[vale pine]

you want to craft a dagger always, its the best first craft, hunt is also the strongest embellishment

after that, you usually want to craft a 2nd embellishment on a low-ish stat budget piece

like belt/boots/bracers

[cosmic owl]

So Farstrider's Mercy, myth crest, and any stats with hunt, yes?

[dusky yacht]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

the 3rd craft (or any craft after 2nd) is completely optional

you typically will use mastery + haste or mastery + crit on it

so one of these

[cosmic owl]

Perfect, thank you!

[vale pine]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=240167/arcanoweave-lining

is the embellishment you want on your belt/bracer/etc

so hunt + lining

[cosmic owl]

Well I have 7 sparks 😄 so I can do some crafting

[vale pine]

^ 3rd craft is quite good for item level if you haven't started mythic yet

[vale pine]

haha, time to farm some crests ^^

[cosmic owl]

Ye 😄

Thank you

[empty bobcat]

in ANY aoe situation (more than 1 enemy) no matter if inside or outside of dance we always wanna finish with with black powder unless coup procc right?

[short radish]

with potent powder

else you want 3 targets for BP

[vale pine]

^

[empty bobcat]

sure talking m+ build

[vale pine]

yes

[short radish]

yeah well you specified ANY

[empty bobcat]

it has potent powder skilled

[vale pine]

just finish on 2+ with bp

[empty bobcat]

yeah sorry

[vale pine]

if you use a macro with coup

make sure to stay in range for coup

[empty bobcat]

make sense ye

[waxen acorn]

we still dont have any sims for the .5 patch?

[short radish]

because yeah you don't want to be pressing BP on 2T dragons

if you dont have PP

[vale pine]

the change seem like a roughly 5-6% gain from early simulations

[short radish]

it's also neutral (?) to press evis in ST on 3t even with PP

[vale pine]

cloud cover is quite strong

[short radish]

but fuu can correct me on that

[vale pine]

its better to press bp on 3 targets with pp

2 is where it matters less

[cosmic owl]

Oh I don't full understand Ancient Arts and the full rotation. Or maybe I do?

While in SD, I get to full CP and use ST. Then I get to full CB and use Strike or Shuriken to proc Ancient arts, and only then use my spenders. Is this correct? Basically, ST doesn't need AA, while all other spenders should be used while AA is active.

[vale pine]

basically

[cosmic owl]

Essentially I am constantly "overcapping" CP just to proc AA

[vale pine]

if you play trickster (i assume)

[cosmic owl]

Ye, M+

[vale pine]

you go into dance with full cp

so you use your macro with dance + secret

after that, you press storm/strike (depending on target count)

and if you don't have ancient arts up

you can use storm/strike a 2nd time here

thats all

so you basically do your first secret w/e

then you storm/strike

and evaulate

is aa up?

yes - you bp

no - you look at your sht stacks (usually should be high enough tho)

no - use strike/storm a 2nd time to proc aa for your next finisher

you only have 2 supercharged combo points

the first one is used on secret

so the optimization only applies to the 2nd finisher

[summer river]

guys what is the shadow dance+Shuriken storm macro used for? is it for when we cast a shadow dance (without secret) inside the blades window? because that's the only occasion i would cast lone SD without ST

[cosmic owl]

That's simple enough until the part with Sht. I need to read more into it as that's something I don't yet understand

[vale pine]

sht is basically a stacking buff you get

[cosmic owl]

• I need to fix my CDM as it is hard to see supercharged CP - another part I don't fully understand

[vale pine]

you get it from auto attacking

you need 5 or more stracks

but especially in aoe, should get a lot of stacks

so should always have enough

[fossil forge]

I am not sure If someone replied yesterday but are we actively trying to avoid buffing stech

is bp/evis higher prio

[vale pine]

we don't

basically

the aa optimization is like i stated above

BUT

we would not go out of our way to proc it for our secret technique

what this means is

[fossil forge]

Thats What i needed to hear

[vale pine]

if aa is up and you dance-secret

thats fine

you just would not

if its not up

dance + strike/storm on full cp

to proc aa

so, the optimization is only for your 2nd finisher in shadow dance

your first is always secret w/e ancient arts

[dry flame]

If I have AA proc is up and dance ready, I usually throw an extra Evis before going into dance (which is probably a mistake)

[vale pine]

na

[cosmic owl]

I see. So I should have 5 Sht stacks before using spenders? + I don't care about AA + ST, right? it's just for all other spenders.

[vale pine]

you don't rly want to use evis

because you delay your dance cast

you need to build again

also aa on secret is fine

its just not as good as on other spells

[dry flame]

Yeah, I suspected so, just felt weird to lose the proc when I dance

[cosmic owl]

Ah I was actively avoiding it

[cosmic owl]

Ok that answers it

[vale pine]

in aoe

[fossil forge]

Apex+charged+coup crit

[vale pine]

you often have a lot of stacks of sht too

so its not like you rly lose much

i played some keys with the bp + coup macro

and my biggest issue in aoe was not standing in range when coup procced

[fossil forge]

I stopped using it i wanna be in charge of my coups

[dry flame]

Yeah, that's why I have two BP keybinds haha.

After a couple fuck up, had to

[vale pine]

its one one hand good

because you rly don't want to stand too far away to not aa

but annoying if you are forced out by a mechanic

or if your target jumps away

[dry flame]

I usually cast non-macro BP when we are gathering stuff or when there is poop on the ground

Altho if I'm honest, I've only played Assa in keys last week

[keen dome]

I dislike the coup+bp bind.

[cosmic owl]

@vale pine Thank you for all the answers. Hopefully you're around if (when) I have more questions about how to be better at rogue 🙂

[keen dome]

Now, if coup had a charge.....

[keen dome]

You can always ask in here. People will absolutely try and help. Sub is a very nice community in supporting other people who chose to play the bestworst class in the game

[dry flame]

I imagine the optimization would get pretty aids xD

[vale pine]

i disslike something else, can you guess what it is?

[cosmic owl]

😄 That's true

[keen dome]

me?

[dry flame]

No HFC Sub

[cosmic owl]

Now I just need to find a solid CDM profile

[vale pine]

i give you a hint

[short radish]

only if they've already started playing the class

or else we'll say "run before you start"

[keen dome]

PUZZLE BOX GOES IN THE SEA

[tropic field]

Any difference for us when 12.0.5 releases?

[vale pine]

i did like mid legion or df/tww iterations more than wod

[rain kernel]

My sims now recommending i use feather for peebox is that normal?

[dry flame]

I wish we had Draught of Souls instead

[keen dome]

AoE blind is back: good! We also get some new hero talent changes like Cloud Cover (Blades gives us a buff to stacking fazed to 3 for 10(20s?). That's gonna be good. Also we can move the Deathstalker Mark as DS.

[dry flame]

Even tho no Master Ass anymore

[tropic field]

Which means, DS is getting stronger than trickster?

[keen dome]

Doubtful

[dry flame]

Opposite

[fossil forge]

Puzzle b 2 second mewing pause

Make sure to mog the pack before u go into cds

[dry flame]

Take a deep breath trinket

[fossil forge]

Take hit of your vape type trinket

[dry flame]

Ew

[keen dome]

Need a macro that shouts out a random "I've gotta solve a puzzle! What's 1+1?!" sum that's very simple

[vale pine]

12.0.5 tl;dr:

• Cloud cover is big dps, so we take that (trickster talent rework)
• Deathstalkers now get a button to move the mark with a 20-second cooldown
• There is a new utility talent in the general tree to reset vial when enemies die (I am unsure we really want to play)
• Blind is aoe again
• (not specifically 12.0.5) haste breakpoints slightly change, check latest pin
  Overall probably a 5-6% damage buff, and some QoL changes.

[fossil forge]

we can keep it natty like zerocool and light a ciggy mid puzzle b cast for extra 20% damage

Stech still doesnt count as a finisher right

[keen dome]

I think the vial talent is gonna be nice for casual content, early leveling, world content, etc.

[fossil forge]

For ds

[brisk onyx]

Wait 11.0.5?

[keen dome]

Fuu means 12.0.5 I think

[vale pine]

ohh

sorry

[dry flame]

"/y Full sheep box, full sheep box."

[vale pine]

fixed

[keen dome]

Dyslexics unite

[dry flame]

He does cig-weave pretty smoothly, that's true

[keen dome]

or untie as it is more typically said

Also the haste breakpoint is changing? I completely missed that. Is this the 800+ without Guidon bit?

And the 1100 one for DS?

[vale pine]

do we need a !meta command for 12.0.5 when peopel start to move back from assassiantion to subtlety?

[fallow nimbus]

That DS mark moving skill is hilarious

[vale pine]

think the assassiantion channel has something like that

[keen dome]

We should

It's a very good command

[fossil forge]

Make the Command but put a inside joke in it

[cosmic owl]

This is how my CP show. How do I fix this so they're more square?

[fallow nimbus]

What's vanish doing there?

[vale pine]

it's just:

• ☑️ Subtlety buffed
• ❌ Assassination no buff
  So -> .

[jade oasis]

1100 haste

wow

r we going to play DS

?

[vale pine]

no

[jade oasis]

god bless

[cosmic owl]

Sorting those out as we speak 😄

[jade oasis]

xd

[vale pine]

unless you want to

[fossil forge]

on last 2 its good apparently

[fallow nimbus]

Mission today: farm wrist to catalyst

[jade oasis]

no i do not want to try to get 1100 haste

[violet palm]

Btw. Anyone got fix for vanilla blizzard cp to be centered?

[fallow nimbus]

Alleria neck on mythic is big haste

[vale pine]

Alleria neck on mythic~ is big haste

[dusky yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487567692931010621/puzzlebox.gif

[vale pine]

haha, there it is

still true after all this time

[dusky yacht]

I feel like I should walk into the ocean in game and drag puzzle into the water and type delete

For closure

[waxen acorn]

casting trinket

[sturdy mortar]

Am I misunderstanding something about unseen blade/coup de grace or is there a bug? There are times where I won't get a CDG for the entirety of my opener.

[violet palm]

Unlucky

[tribal blade]

bad rng

1 UB on pull, 2 more after sectec

if none of those double hit you're sitting at 3

and then get bad rng on waiting for a reset

[sturdy mortar]

damn it happened to me so often last raid I thought my shit was bugged. It really be like that sometimes.

[tribal blade]

yeah just super unluck

[tropic field]

But we can get fucked with the cloud cover if tanks are moving bosses etc?

[onyx trail]

Can we reset boss as rouge like hunts or mage? Thinking hit boss then vanish

[ornate lake]

Yes vanish

[vale pine]

its not as reliable as with the others

so would just let a hunter do it

[minor trout]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[onyx trail]

But could be a cool party trick. boost morale in raid. Thats like 5% dps right there

[sturdy mortar]

Is it worth apexing cdg, if you have the opportunity?

[sturdy mortar]

thank you for the response btw, stepped away from pc lol.

[tribal blade]

not right now no, just supercharged CPs

unless you want to do more prio, apexing coup is definitely more prio

[vale pine]

don't think its a morale boost if your entire raid dies instead of the boss reset

[short radish]

^

another thing that rogue can't even do well vs another class

[vale pine]

i mean, i used to do resets too for our raid

[opaque valve]

how is it looking for the 12.0.5 changes? anything changing rotation-wise and stat-wise?

[vale pine]

but its just less reliable

so now its hunter job

we didn't lose the option to ^^

[onyx trail]

Just insta vanish or should u wait a sec?

Probs best for me to go into a older raid and test tbh

[vale pine]

best is to storm + vanish

because many bosses aa you instantly

so you might not want to stand in aa range

[short radish]

why does it not like to work with shuri toss

[onyx trail]

SO TRUE I FORGOT SHURI TOSS EXISTED

[short radish]

please continue to forget it exists

[vale pine]

haha

toss probably works tho

but it depends

[sturdy mortar]

I tried this the other night and got walked down. I even took the poisions off just in case.

[short radish]

yeah i dont bother trying anymore

[onyx trail]

What if u vanished mid toss

[ornate lake]

What are we prio'ing with the void tokens next reset? As someone who is not mythic raiding? Skyreach dagger? Already have hc guilidon and alnseer

[keen dome]

Nexus Rings aren't a bad choice on a +10

[fossil forge]

It works

You just need to time the shuriken hit with vanish

Best usage of shuriken toss this tier is getting combopoints while chimmy is flying away

[sharp pawn]

Im trying to play DS (just hit 1100 haste), but I only have a feather - is it normal to not hit second ST inside SB without the trinket?

[vale pine]

i would just stick with trickster

it depends on the version of feather, you usually also want guidon instead

[sharp pawn]

only have HC feather

[short radish]

get crucible trinket (voidstorm rep) and puzzlebox (AA m0 leather stack)

[sharp pawn]

I have crucible but I changed it for a HC Paw to get to 1100 haste cause it simmed better for ST

killed M Imperator 3 times, and HC 5 times and guidon only dropped once aaand DK got it

[short radish]

Dw I too am a non guidon gamer

[weak horizon]

!sim

dungeon slice or patchwerk 5t

i guess looking at fuu's spreadsheet its dungeon slice?

[finite hedge]

Anyone know if the +ilvl upgrades next week are once a week?

[empty bobcat]

what should I craft if I crafted a weapon already and have a decent off-hand and belt. bracers or back?