which made you afk out the bg
#subtlety
wild vine
Wait for the aug-like Alchemist support spec
outer orchid
when i was playing mage this season i started doing portals to old silvermoon
keen dome
Hahaha
outer orchid
yeah true
keen dome
Hopefully dalaran is back in the last titan
So we can have some tried and true crater gaming
outer orchid
dalaran could use a break from cataclysmic events
shrewd lantern
where is it now
keen dome
over there
shrewd lantern
didnt it get shot out the sky
shrewd lantern
start of tww
keen dome
And in the sea.
It's kinda exploded.
Also a good portion of it was in the Dimensius fight
I imagine they're gonna do a NEW Dalaran at some point
And hopefully it's tied to an in-game event and players help build it
keen dome
haha
outer orchid
what if
we went back to grizzly hills
i need my good vibe soundtrack back
keen dome
I'm a Dalaran stan. I love it.
But Silvermoon is extremely fucking good as a hub city and the redeisng is chefs kiss
Super excited to see them do this to stormwind / orgrimmar.
keen dome
Buff lady
shrewd lantern
ngl i still dont get
why we were on good terms with zandalari in bfa
after beating them up
keen dome
Back in MoP?
shrewd lantern
yes
keen dome
If I recall, it was an unsanctioned poaching thing rather than the actual Empire?
Or something handwaved as "yeah we don't like those guys either"
shrewd lantern
in the council fight
outer orchid
give me gurubashi
shrewd lantern
of the 4 tribes
keen dome
They were all Zul's followers
think no more of it.
But yes we did lmao
Battle of Dazar'lor did not have a lot of thuoght going into it long-term...
The alliance also killed their king and we've just swept that under the rug
keen dome
the alliance did some serious warcrimes in Dazar'lor lmao
keen dome
They're wild gods, they don't seem to give a big fuck since they exist regardless of worship or care.
And I assume with that comes massively variable power since they're 'natural' parts of the.. ecosystem?
I love the Capy loa though
he's my friend
also Dundun is my friend too
keen dome
Yeah, they all seem very minor in their power
shrewd lantern
bwom iirc his lore is he used to be muzalas priest
keen dome
Yep
Bwom is probably the most powerful since he's the loa of death, but he also seems to gain his pwoer through deals rather than direct fighting.
shrewd lantern
idk always thought rezan seemed weak asf
outer orchid
also Dundun is my friend too
dundun has invaded my mind with prosperity and abundance
shrewd lantern
for "loa of kings"
keen dome
dundun has invaded my mind with prosperity and abundance
did you know that he's voiced by the same actor as Emperor Calus in Destiny
outer orchid
did you know that he's voiced by the same actor as Emperor Calus in Destiny
WHAT
keen dome
Darin de Paul owns
And he's doing the Calus tone and voice for Dundun and it's really funny
outer orchid
the leviathan was and still is one of my favorite destiny raids ever
shrewd lantern
arent loa the entire reasoning behind troll druids
outer orchid
i had that place memorized
shrewd lantern
and paladins ig
keen dome
arent loa the entire reasoning behind troll druids
Yeah
Not paladins though
I think they're like Sunwalkers, they draw their power from something else
But Loa are basically just wild gods iirc
So the same basic area as Cenarius et al
keen dome
I wonder if there is a lore dif between like, Ursoc and a Loa
Because surely they fulfill the same basic concept
And are from the same race root belief
shrewd lantern
i still feel tauren paladin came out to appease horde pally wanters
that hate elves
keen dome
Look you destroy the empire this one time
shrewd lantern
also let in a cross world demon army
near yoke
Hi rogues 😁 I've seen good players use SD+shadowstrike quite often during a boss fight, when we're supposed to enter SD with a finisher as Trickster. I'm wondering, is it a good way to fill cp when vanish is on CD and no stacks of cp are available ? I don't see any other explanation. Please someone help me with that 
weary tree
Hi rogues 😁 I've seen good players use SD+shadowstrike quite often during a bo...
as trickster always enter dance with high CP. You can definitely use vanish to up your cp before, but normally you have more than enough time to prep cp for all your dances
near yoke
that's what I thought. But top parses say otherwise 🧐
weary tree
that's what I thought. But top parses say otherwise 🧐
example?
near yoke
like within 10 dances, 2 are entered at 0 cp
sudden quarry
Any tips for Lura progress from someone who is a few days into this boss already?
tribal blade
that's what I thought. But top parses say otherwise 🧐
probably just a situation of people full sending gcds
near yoke
Murtagh - blackrock >> on salhadar he does a lot of that
fallow glade
salhadaar parses being high means he got to hit a lot of orbs 
near yoke
mybad he does it once but I've seen other rogues do it more
fallow glade
doesn't mean he played perfectly
weary tree
There might be some scenario's like when you're gonna cap on dance charges
near yoke
salhadaar parses being high means he got to hit a lot of orbs <:garf_sit:1334889...
orbs take augmented damage ? oO
weary tree
But that's fight dependant
near yoke
There might be some scenario's like when you're gonna cap on dance charges
oh I didn't think about that
hazy breach
You shouldnt really be in a spot where youre gonna cap on dance charges ever
weary tree
esp on saladbar your 2nd set of cds are slightly offset so you either cap on charges or do something about it
weary tree
yep
near yoke
thanks for enlightment
I binded a danse+strike just in case I need it but I won't try to use it
weary tree
Keep in mind that that macro won't work and you will have to press the button twice anyways due to the sligh delay from dance
That's why on deathstalker you go dance + storm instead of dance + strike
near yoke
Keep in mind that that macro won't work and you will have to press the button tw...
Yes I remember, ty
near yoke
That's why on deathstalker you go dance + storm instead of dance + strike
that's whyyyyyyyyyyy
I see rogues use that on singletarget I was like "wtf is he doing" LMAO
thanks again !
trail bison
will ds still pull ahead ST after the cloud cover changes? or is it just perma trickster in .5 patch
alpine wraith
ds is ahead on st
hazy breach
Roughly the same as before when DS was ahead by like 1% is what it looks like right now
alpine wraith
not by much then
cinder zenith
hazy breach
Ok so turns out cloud cover is way better than expected and my deathstalker pin was probably just a bait
lucid jackal
Who fell for the larp
hazy breach
I mean it is good, but only for this week 
hushed pendant
Am I getting baited, or is Puzzle Box just not good for me?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jEnscgiZX2CR5Xne1eazQA
winged blaze
!stats
wicked joltBOT
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Mastery >= `Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700)` > `Critical Strike` > Versatility
lucid jackal
we are officially back boys
obsidian crag
does sec tec has cooldown reduction by finishers?
obsidian crag
so my sec tec CD is 18s, can I manage to fit 3 sec tec casts into a singl shadow blades?
hazy breach
If you have 150% haste ye
shy ermine
so this cloud cover means we can't move after pressing blades
hazy breach
alpine wraith
Ok so turns out cloud cover is way better than expected and my deathstalker pin ...
crisis averted
but hey we have 1 week of DS krangle for the people that like it
time to change title of the video
shy ermine
i wasn't going to play ds this week until we got the ability to change mark target
but i did take a haste belt yesterday that it turns out i might not need 😄
will have to see how much the movement restriction ends up mattering
hazy breach
It does matter quite a bit actually
shy ermine
i guess we can dip in and out if needed, but full movement across the room won't work
hazy breach
Its really really bad if you have to move out and end up losing it before your second sectech
tribal blade
that's the thing i'm most worried about with cloud cover
would be far better if it was a cloud that was on your character
thin sinew
What did i miss 😮
shy ermine
i don't think a smoke bomb locked on your character makes much sense
hazy breach
What did i miss 😮
Its in the pins too
tribal blade
well that's the same thing with DS
tribal blade
mark being on your character wouldn't make sense, but it would make the playstyle infinitely better
not a fan of things being jank because of theme or other stuff
shy ermine
yeah but it making no thematic sense is why they won't do it
would need a full redesign
shy ermine
maybe nobody in this discord cares but we are the minority
tribal blade
how it plays is the most important thing
shy ermine
most people play the game for vibes
marking a target for death is cool
running around as a cloud is not so cool
tribal blade
why not
shy ermine
but bombing the ground feeds into the class fantasy
tribal blade
you are the cloud
karmic harbor
shy ermine
i haven't got to l'ura yet but there's a lot of movement in p1 with the beams
if it delays a usage we might still be better off with 1100 haste ds
alpine wraith
Its really really bad if you have to move out and end up losing it before your s...
fuc didnt think about that
hazy breach
Not only do you miss the damage on sectech, the 3 stack resets down to 1 guaranteed
pallid jackal
Is it better to get a crafted item now or wait for possible upgrades upcoming week? Didn't get good vault item and first raid this lockout is tonight
I've got both crafted items from bis list
keen dome
Wait until after your raid, maybe? But crafting to fill a weak slot isn't bad.
But it is worth considering the slot, and what could potentially go there.
hazy breach
Yes
raw frost
so if you dont have it you are keeping it without acsting
i mena if you dont have shadow dance
hazy breach
You shouldnt really be casting shadow dance without sectech
tribal blade
damn, a 17
yeah was honestly pretty chill
haven't timed a single 16 yet, just leap frogged into 17
lilac stag
He’ll be running assa by next week. Wait for the inevitable crash out due to lfg.
lucid jackal
Won't be next week cuz sub is getting buffed
pallid jackal
Wait until after your raid, maybe? But crafting to fill a weak slot isn't bad.
Is a +600 dps increase worth for crafting?
keen dome
Is a +600 dps increase worth for crafting?
That's a decison you have to make for yourself
pallid jackal
okay thanks for response
lucid jackal
Crafting is op
If Ur out of gear to spend crests on
A craft is almost always a good idea
barren ember
So I had the feeling that the thing about haste is more about getting a 2nd Secret Technique into Shadowblades; And I felt quite confident now seeing it on Discord etc. :p There are still two things that I wonder about, but maybe I should ask in the Sim Discord.
- You could just get enough Haste for Secret Technique being rdy again at the end of Shadowblades; So 6-7 Seconds before Blades end you cast Shadow Dance and use SecTec as the last (non-supercharged) finisher in Blades.
- You can get enough Haste for the first Shadow Dance to last long enough, so you only wait 1-2 seconds during Blades before Casting the 2nd Dance, and then you use SecTec as the 2nd Supercharged Finisher
- You can go with Option one, but hold the 2nd Shadow Dance until the 2nd SecTeq would be supercharged, but that would mean a lot less Shadow Dance Uptime during Blades
Has anyone Information / opinion on that? Supercharged 2ndSecTeq vs Non-Charged 2nd SecTeq vs. Shadow Dance uptime in blades?
pallid jackal
A craft is almost always a good idea
Yea? Okay might be best then
I'm comparing with droptimisers and +600 ain't even that bad
tribal blade
He’ll be running assa by next week. Wait for the inevitable crash out due to lfg...
haha nah no crashing out
not going for title
so it's just gonna be vibe keying
lilac stag
so it's just gonna be vibe keying
!remindme 1 month
tribal blade
!remindme 1 month
LOL
fossil forge
idk Whats equivalent to priory but prophet is gonna be talking in a month About 1 key for sure
my guess is mc!
lilac stag
So I had the feeling that the thing about haste is more about getting a 2nd Secr...
!guidon
wicked joltBOT
Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
barren ember
wow sorry i was scrolling and checking all the pins but didnt see
Yea nice, that was my feeling as well
vale pine
!remindme 1 month
i am tempted to actually implement a reminder function ^^
lilac stag
wow sorry i was scrolling and checking all the pins but didnt see
No need to be sorry. It’s a command for a reason.
keen dome
idk Whats equivalent to priory but prophet is gonna be talking in a month About...
My guess is AA
fossil forge
We need more dungeons like pit
keen dome
wow sorry i was scrolling and checking all the pins but didnt see
We tend to pop the macro command / paste 'cos it's quicker to get people accurate info and also the TC's have written it out so well
keen dome
We need more dungeons like pit
hell yeah
fossil forge
4000mobs every pack absolute astroblast
alpine wraith
so sub gets around a 4% buff with cloud cover
if target is fully in it right?
vs current setup
keen dome
4000mobs every pack absolute astroblast
when can we have a tbc M+ dungeon
alpine wraith
https://tenor.com/view/ptsd-war-world-war-soldier-tank-gif-14061449787272226136
first time i entered triumvirate after years and last key i did was a 28 or 30 of it
barren ember
when can we have a tbc M+ dungeon
Ye, we have too many tank players anyway, we 100 % need Shattered Halls in m+
alpine wraith
oh bois imagine the healers and casters
getting the rogue treatment in halls
would be so silly
keen dome
ALL HALLS
barren ember
Ehm, and how is it about Apex-Talent Charging the Supercharged finishers?
Is the information still correct you only force it during bloodlust?
I feel like on coupe de grace if could still be worth it outside of lust
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
keen dome
Here's the checklist for when to force it to proc
barren ember
So pretty much always Apex Talent on Super Charged Finishers, EXCEPT when the finisher is Sec Teq?
keen dome
With 5 or more stacks of SHT, yep
barren ember
Or okay, IF you can force the apex in one strike cast, i guess
fossil forge
What If i dance and i get apex
Stech up evis up
TECH the evis send tech second ?
I dont rly think bout it but is it a loss
keen dome
I have no idea, I don't think about it either
fossil forge
Im just sending out stech on cd permadance go brrr
barren ember
Good question, I'm a bit torn on that as well :p You keep it off cooldown for longer if you use SecTeq as 2nd Supercharged, and use Eviscarate first cos apex is up
barren ember
But other than that Sec Teq doesnt care about being 2nd or first supercharged point
barren ember
I wanted to check it out today, but I think you dont lose out on the combopoints, and if u just send sec tec first the ShadowTechnique Stacks will still be there and instant proc Apex on the 2nd finisher
keen dome
that would actually be so cool
keen dome
no, no, you can't change your mind now
tribal blade
actually HOI with the last changes is ok
but HOV can die in a fire
actually this looks neat, i'm down for it
tune in next to see if i yo-yo one more time
lilac stag
But other than that Sec Teq doesnt care about being 2nd or first supercharged po...
The priority is ST first cast with dance as trickster. You want it back on cd asap
barren ember
The priority is ST first cast with dance as trickster. You want it back on cd as...
ye, usually, but Teekoh asked about what if apex talents is up; if it is worth it to use the apex proc on evis first -> refund -> 2nd supercharged on SecTeq
lilac stag
You ignored it and Sectech
barren ember
You delay your next SecTeq for one global, but you dont let apex "go to waste"
lilac stag
Then strike to get it back
keen dome
I guess that's a good point about why you'd sectec first regardless, 'cos it'll fuck the cd coming back up consistently otherwise
lilac stag
the haste breaks are meant to keep stuff aligned.
lean sigil
Is it a major dps loss to delay a sec tech by lets say 2 seconds? I try to just chill is its comming it lets say i have 5 cp, sec/dance will be up in 5 sec. We should just pool right?
lilac stag
You would build to 6+
lean sigil
Ment full cp
lilac stag
and send if dance and Sectech are ready
You wrote 5. So you get the answer to what was asked.
alpine wraith
but HOV can die in a fire
last time outlaw was op
lean sigil
But lets say you are full cp, 5 sec left on tech/dance
short radish
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
alpine wraith
you watch something while those 5 seconds pass
short radish
PLEASE MAN I JUST WANT TO STOP RAIDING HEROIC ON THIS ROGUE
alpine wraith
because 2 dks+ me need it
tribal blade
PLEASE MAN I JUST WANT TO STOP RAIDING HEROIC ON THIS ROGUE
i'm still using normal guidon lol
tribal blade
i'm with you dude
lilac stag
R
I
P
alpine wraith
next week
lean sigil
you watch something while those 5 seconds pass
Is there a rule to follow like blades 10 sec thing?
short radish
im gonna get it week 3 of mythic
thin sinew
We had 2 gazes drop last night!
Both warbound to people who don’t play alts and play casters
raw mantle
Also 0 myth daggers over 4 kills now
alpine wraith
Is there a rule to follow like blades 10 sec thing?
depends a lot on your sht economy
if you have 11 sht and 5 secs left
keen dome
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
hey, there's a helm, that's rogue loot
alpine wraith
you can finish and stab again
if you have like 2 sht and energy is below 60
you sit
because you would need to stab 3 times in those 5 secs after finisher
and then you wont have enough energy for sec tech
and losing 1 or 2 secs every time you would sec tech
may lose casts
lean sigil
Ill just keep doing it like i do then, just wanted to check if its dumb to pool that long
keen dome
im crashing out so hard
the loot rng this season sucks so bad.
lean sigil
<#856897746128207892>
Not mentioned there
lilac stag
Not mentioned there
Orly?
vale pine
basically, you stop using finishers shortly before secret comes off cd
like 3 sec or so
by doing so, you avoid delaying the dance/secret cast
keen dome
I should really start doing that
vale pine
and also generate some stacks of sht
lean sigil
Hachadino have a nice answer
hearty steeple
guys what 3rd item would be good to craft ? and if i got like the pvp neck and ring, should i be in hurry to craft them ?
craft ring and neck slot*?
lilac stag
do you have mythic items to spend crests on?
hearty steeple
iam 275, and crafted 1 dagger and 1 waist, and got like 100 m crests
keen dome
Your lowest slot or most benefical slot once you've exhausted all other Myth loot chances for the week.
hearty steeple
there isn't rly a rule of 3rd craft
sounds greattt
keen dome
You could probably do wrists
vale pine
crafting after 2nd is optional, and if you don't have mythic gear pieces, crafting the worse slot for you might be ideal
hearty steeple
what if i have a shitty off hand ? like 263 stuck with it till now
vale pine
i would not craft neck
lilac stag
Cloak is a good option
vale pine
there is the special effetc neck
keen dome
what if i have a shitty off hand ? like 263 stuck with it till now
OH is super minimal and doesn't contribute much if any damage. It's a stat stick.
lilac stag
what if i have a shitty off hand ? like 263 stuck with it till now
Your OH doesn’t matter
barren ember
iam 275, and crafted 1 dagger and 1 waist, and got like 100 m crests
I can also recommend crafting a ring, even if you get a mythic ring from vault you use two, and having flexibility on secondaries is great too
vale pine
offhand slot is one of the worse
keen dome
Cloak, bracers, rings, neck, belt, legs
vale pine
so upgrading it is not super good/relevant
keen dome
Do you raid Mythic and have you raided this week?
hearty steeple
nah i dont raid
keen dome
Slam that craft
The way I look at it is I want to exhaust all potential Mythic item chances in the week after Vault. If I get nothing new, and had nothing from vault, and still have 80 crests and 2 sparks? It's craft time.
hearty steeple
The way I look at it is I want to exhaust all potential Mythic item chances in t...
kinda simillar mindset
keen dome
Yeee
dim lagoon
Simming 2 agi enchs on both daggers is worth? It sims the highest for me
jade oasis
we’ve actually not seen a single ring drop from paladins
keen dome
Awful
jade oasis
just actually non sense drops on that boss over and over
hearty steeple
Simming 2 agi enchs on both daggers is worth? It sims the highest for me
i did this sim, and it choose mastery on OH
barren ember
Simming 2 agi enchs on both daggers is worth? It sims the highest for me
for me as well
You uptime on enchants does not change, but the value
dim lagoon
So i guess its worth
barren ember
So you get double primary stat; but will it be up when you do damage?
dim lagoon
Yea rng
barren ember
At the end its more or less the same tho with off hand mastery
keen dome
just proc 
barren ember
I mean, it is not entirely RNG, it has a set rhytm, you can go to your logs
And check for the buff uptime
But will you really play around that or even delay stuff? If you lose overall cast amount for it, its likely not worth it
barren ember
Cuz u get more chance for getting it
pretty much yea
dim lagoon
Ty m8
keen dome
I just run 2x agi 'cos agi can't hit DR
vale pine
(tho mastery is cheaper, haha)
vale pine
I just run 2x agi 'cos agi can't hit DR
good point
barren ember
How much bait were the Sims for Berserkers Rage?
keen dome
I only realized that this second btw, I ran 2x agi 'cos I was lazy.
barren ember
Cos it simmed excellent for me, but Id bet it assumed that it always procs during shadow blades
I guess an argument could be that no matter what is with shadow blades; Berserkers Rage Enchant will ALWAYS lead to more Sec Teq casts, while the Mastery Buff during downtime goes to waste
lilac stag
The way I look at it is I want to exhaust all potential Mythic item chances in t...
I’m at the point of now looking do I send engineering craft for haste or fill out one of the mythic tier slot upgrades (will re-evaluate Tuesday). content you’re doing matters and so many I think just miss this by holding crests way too long.
keen dome
I’m at the point of now looking do I send engineering craft for haste or fill ou...
Yeah, I think that's very true.
tribal blade
I guess an argument could be that no matter what is with shadow blades; Berserke...
if you get beserker's rage proc during downtime it goes to waste too
keen dome
My routine is vault -> pug rekills. If I get something good in vault? Sending it to cap. Then in rekills it's like, do I win helm or cloak or guidon or gaze or chest? sending it to cap. nothing? well, probably a craft week
tribal blade
wouldn't overthink it
keen dome
Because you always want to be upgrading something each week, and with crafting you can realistically achieve that
lilac stag
I guess an argument could be that no matter what is with shadow blades; Berserke...
as it stands right now, haste breakpoints are meant to align CDs. Altering that is not a win. Trying to sort out haste ppm enchants in a sim for sub is not going to end well
barren ember
wouldn't overthink it
but it would shorten the Sec Teq cooldown. Say u sit on a shadow dance charge and wait for sec teq, BOOM u get haste proc and can cast it few seconds earlier
so it will always shorten downtime, while mastery buff can truly go to waste? but maybe i am indeed overthinking it 😄
lilac stag
you’re not sitting on charges. They naturally line up with breakpoints from gear.
variable ppm just fuck that up
grizzled hornet
please rewind sub to no haste so this madness can stop
tribal blade
but it would shorten the Sec Teq cooldown. Say u sit on a shadow dance charge an...
you don't always send sectec on cd, depends on specific fight timers
barren ember
It would be more obnoxious to play for sure, but it would not fuck your Cooldown windows
lilac stag
why are you wanting Sectech up 2 seconds earlier when you can’t send it because of dance and later screwing up the timing for the blades window?
tribal blade
would just be better to put your mind to things you can control vs things you can't 😉
lilac stag
even if mastery procs outside of dance, you’re more than likely to still have time with it up during dance.
tribal blade
interesting 1 acuity 1 mastery is neutral to x2 acuity for me in ST, but a 0.3% gain in dslice
might put mast on my OH
barren ember
The dslice sim just values mastery a loooooot
Guess its just your call if you wanna have more ST or AoE
tribal blade
any aoe sub will value mast a lot yeah
lilac stag
Because it’s cracked with PP
lilac stag
interesting 1 acuity 1 mastery is neutral to x2 acuity for me in ST, but a 0.3% ...
What does assa need? 
tribal blade
What does assa need? <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
LOL you know i was gonna do that next
barren ember
What does assa need? <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
a rework
tribal blade
i'll sim in x3 patchwerk for paladins
vale pine
they reworked it in df 2 times
barren ember
I mean, we arrived at the state of Mists of Pandaria now
lilac stag
LOL you know i was gonna do that next
Figure it was first sim
vale pine
would be bad if assassiantion needs another rework
barren ember
Soon they will have the idea of attaching it to the player
tribal blade
Figure it was first sim <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
nahhh sub is my baby
lilac stag
nahhh sub is my baby
until you abandon it in a dumpster
dreamy badger
Where it belongs
tribal blade
i'm betting it wants crit
1 acuity 1 crit is neutral to 2 acuity on 3 target sim
probably because i'm talented into scent
so more mainstat very good
i'm guessing with a ST sim 1 crit will be slightly better
tribal blade
Blud the moment assa is 0,2% better in any way
you know i was thinking about using sin for certain keys
fossil forge
Its certain keys at start
tribal blade
because it's prio is cracked
fossil forge
Then its every key
lilac stag
you know i was thinking about using sin for certain keys
Yeah like 7 weeks ago
tribal blade
thing is sub is such a vibe in keys
void ocean
i swapped to sin as soon as it got buffed
tribal blade
i'm pretty sure most people title pushing swapped to sin
fossil forge
i mean its a nobrainer assa is X times better
lilac stag
He’s gonna roll assa. Realize cloud cover is cracked and come back in 2 weeks wonder how to play sub in m+
hollow spear
I am a weekly key enjoyer
tribal blade
yeah the dmg profile is very good
hollow spear
and stuff dies halfway through my blades
fossil forge
do no prio damage and mediocre aoe or do insane prio and good aoe
hollow spear
so assa would be atrocious
tribal blade
He’s gonna roll assa. Realize cloud cover is cracked and come back in 2 weeks wo...
LOL nah i'll never forget
how dare you
tribal blade
so assa would be atrocious
sin is unplayable in weekly keys
unless you're playing with people who do 0 dps
hollow spear
stuff deadge before you got 20 kb stacks haha
tribal blade
yeah that and it's a lot of ramp
void ocean
unless you're playing with people who do 0 dps
are there any other
tribal blade
with CT
molten citrus
I wonder if cloud cover will change aoe prio rotation
hollow spear
on sub I play with people who do 0 dps
because I steal all the shitter damage
:^)
tribal blade
I wonder if cloud cover will change aoe prio rotation
probably not
molten citrus
Strike->BP 
tribal blade
it'll just be "make sure your tank is not gonna start moving before you blades"
fossil forge
Wait is the cloud thingy gonna be like dk decay
hollow spear
I have a groundbreaking thought: what if they made nimble flurry cleave strike damage?
tribal blade
Does rotten effect storm
it does yeah
fossil forge
Like u place it down and u have to stay in it
molten citrus
Ah
void ocean
they call me Apple cause iPad
molten citrus
Fooey
fossil forge
they call me Apple cause iPad
Bars
tribal blade
but storm dmg is not incredible
molten citrus
Like u place it down and u have to stay in it
Ya
tribal blade
it's better than it used to be, but the bread and butter is BP
fossil forge
Its so over
tribal blade
I play sudden death in the weekly 10s
demise? i was thinking about that
shy ermine
Yeah sudden demise sorry
fossil forge
Someone was spamming assa channel with a copy pasta
hollow spear
don't think that will make up for the damage that you lose from your dm/kb disappearing halfway through
tribal blade
prob not no
shy ermine
My only logged runs are carrying alts and I forgot to stop logging by accident, but it does well with mains too
Most pulls have a mob big enough to at least get decent cd value and bleeds do great dmg
But this is sub channel oops
earnest crane
Tbh assa dmg is better in high keys
void ocean
there will be a day
in 100 years
when they change CT to spread to like 5 targets at least
like jessus fckin christ would we break the game that much with it
fossil forge
Yes
void ocean
im playing unh dk and press one button to APPLY AND SPREAD dots to everyone ffs
earnest crane
why ppl want to spread dots in sub chanel
void ocean
imagine if we had one button applying and spreadong both bleeds
sharp ravine
Which bleed ?
sharp ravine
keen dome
🫵
red flame
modern sentinel
fossil forge
im playing unh dk and press one button to APPLY AND SPREAD dots to everyone ffs
Nooo i have to manually press 2 buttons and spam 1 for a bit
void ocean
i dont mind applying bleeds separately ofc but in large pulls spamming ct forever feels horrible
fossil forge
Sounds a lot like sub when i read it in my head no cap
lilac stag
im playing unh dk and press one button to APPLY AND SPREAD dots to everyone ffs
Excuse me, UH is not a dot spec. It’s a ranged plague spec. The entire point of Assa is to play around your dots and not spam envenom.
eternal abyss
Excuse me, UH is not a dot spec. It’s a ranged plague spec. The entire point of ...
You do spam it 5 times tho😁
lilac stag
guess bliz needs to reduce CT target spread
void ocean
spread 1 random bleed to 1 more target
every 3rd time removes one bleed from one random target
lilac stag
spread 1 random bleed to 1 more target
replicating tempest?
void ocean
san'layn heals like mad
void ocean
isnt san'layn for rly high keys
fossil forge
I played it when it was pretty broken
idk how it functions now
First pull in cinder was peak on unholy
dark prawn
Quickie question, with Light company guidon, do we still go for the 18% haste?
hazy breach
Yes, you want around 700 haste with guidon
alpine wraith
yea remember to look for the rating
as some races get some free haste but it does not affect deepening shadows
jade canopy
!fuu
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tribal blade
as some races get some free haste but it does not affect deepening shadows
i'm still mad nelf doesn't get more deepening
tribal blade
damn
fossil forge
Panda s+ racial + Z tier feint animation
low arch
Hello, got a quick question in the sims, im playing ST Deasthstalker, I get I need 1100 haste breakpoint, but sims want me to get rid of haste and going versa/mast, am I doing something wrong ?
in droptimizer
vagrant sinew
droptimizer only compares 1 item at a time, haste items will be bad unless they actually get you over the breakpoint
low arch
so I should aim to get the haste breakpoint without sims, then optimize secondaries with dropti ?
hazy breach
Top gear it
low arch
Alright thanks for the input, i'll make myself better now 😄
fleet acorn
Do we know if group 1 soak or 2 soak is better parse wise for chimerus?
Like what alignment of CDs is better for us to parse
The Boss cds in grp 1 or the add cds in Grp2
alpine wraith
group 1 sending on adds will be better parse but way less boss dam
fleet acorn
So I prob send 1 dance into Intermission and then Pop cds
Pull - 1 Dance - knock and cds for adds
opal basalt
!fuu
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fleet acorn
group 1 sending on adds will be better parse but way less boss dam
I tried going lorgs for the dance/blades pops but importing ingame to mrt personal I don’t get any reminder in the bossfight at all
plush roost
Group 1: 1 sec tec on boss and opene4
Go down
Second set on adds
Padpadpad
Intermission
Group 1
Pad pad pad
When tank goes down solo, jump in last second with cloak
Tricks solo tanm
Pad pad pad pad
Thats the unethical parse tech
rancid lichen
!up
wicked joltBOT
pearl swan
!fuu
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harsh lotus
Ty!
abstract cosmos
just got my rogue up as an alt crafted one weapon should i craft another because its veteran and wait till vault to choose another or
any help would help thanks
tribal blade
just got my rogue up as an alt crafted one weapon should i craft another because...
no offhand is the lowest dps slot
abstract cosmos
okay thank u
tribal blade
very likely pants will be your best 2nd craft
abstract cosmos
boots and neck seem to sim around 2% for my dps then others should i craft them ?
tribal blade
hard to say without knowing your setup but won't go wrong crafting those
wintry heart
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ra1GcmmS7weLJEQNUSmjfB
What a name
lean arch
guys my vault was so bad that I took socket, put it on my hero helm and then on raid night I got myth helm
am I cooked?
abstract cosmos
thank u thank u
tribal blade
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ra1GcmmS7weLJEQNUSmjfB
you don't have 4pc yet so crafting legs wouldn't be advisable right now
abstract cosmos
ye im not gonna
but idk if i should craft boots and ring or even neck
ig neck could be a shout
tribal blade
might be a wait and see angle
spare quiver
!faq
wintry heart
I’m going to craft engi boots so I can hopefully use mastery flask
orchid laurel
sub might be op rn
wintry heart
Also isn’t 4 piece guaranteed this week ?
spare quiver
sub might be op rn
whyxd
tribal blade
also how is your name like this
tribal blade
sub might be op rn
lol hell no
orchid laurel
low parse take
hazy breach
Also isn’t 4 piece guaranteed this week ?
If you have 2k m+ rating, 1.6k pvp rating or have killed lura ye
wintry heart
no idea tbh lol
3 from charges and one from 2k I think
tribal blade
holy shit sin has shot up
still vector
holy shit sin has shot up
you can thank Zerocool
vagrant sinew
brother that list is like 10 players
tribal blade
huh
still vector
sin is good in keys but if youre not pushing title sub is fine
tidal solstice
sin sucks. sub for life. wish we had a 3rd spec.
vagrant sinew
the sample size is just too low early this early in
tribal blade
sin is good in keys but if youre not pushing title sub is fine
sub still fine to push title with
likely
still vector
for now yeah
vagrant sinew
theres more sub rogues than assa above 3.4 for example
still vector
need more AOE imo but what evs
spare quiver
i think sin has more prio target super good for high keys
still vector
theres more sub rogues than assa above 3.4 for example
thats because of PTR pre season
barren ember
If you look at the past, which specs were able to get title
tribal blade
barren ember
Isnt pretty much every spec in the game capable of doing that?
Just depends on the player and the team
tribal blade
theres more sub rogues than assa above 3.4 for example
yeah there's more, but that's because everyone started pushing as sub
terse dirge
If a pack is dying in m+ and you guys are trying to save some dance charges for the next pull does it make sense to stop using finishers and just backstab to try and pool shadow tech stacks for next pull to burst harder or is that just an overall damage loss u think?
spare quiver
guys actually u supercharge ur second secret technique with blades or nah
vagrant sinew
Isnt pretty much every spec in the game capable of doing that?
by strict defintion yes, but every seasons theres alot of specs that have like less than 5 people on it get title
hazy breach
!guidon
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Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
vagrant sinew
and you know those people play in a full premade most of the time
vagrant sinew
yeah there's more, but that's because everyone started pushing as sub
well yeah its looking cooked for highest keys with current balance
swift tinsel
zero and casual
Wox is playing sin in their group too
hazy breach
If a pack is dying in m+ and you guys are trying to save some dance charges for ...
Generally now its just better to send and not really hold
barren ember
But then it just means; If you have to ask if a spec is able to achieve Title-Level Keys, the thing holding your back is likely your skill & team, and not the spec
Which IMO is a good response to anyone asking that :p
vagrant sinew
I mean you are literally debuffing your team
tribal blade
Wox is playing sin in their group too
he is yeah, i saw him swap the other day
vagrant sinew
its just not enough to matter for 1 key level
tardy notch
What is this effect guys? I saw this in a video. I have never gotten this effect on my rogue. I am lvl 88 currently tho
swift tinsel
Last I checked it was he and Zero holding up the rating on archon lol
vagrant sinew
also if you have opacity turned down jyou wont see it
wintry heart
Are we running cloud cover on Tuesday?
hazy breach
well yeah its looking cooked for highest keys with current balance
Current balance is changing though
wintry heart
Do I need to prep yelling at tanks to leave them in the cloud
weary tree
Do I need to prep yelling at tanks to leave them in the cloud
Anything to yell at tanks
vagrant sinew
Current balance is changing though <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
+2% bp dmg, -2% evisc dmg
weary tree
Otherwise you have to blame yourself and you just can't
tribal blade
there's more sin rogues over cutoff than sub currently
vagrant sinew
yeah Im just saying its very volatile atm lol
weary tree
Just play outlaw
vagrant sinew
you say casual but bro hasnt done a key in a week hes too busy raiding
weary tree
Ez
tribal blade
i said people have been jumping on the sin train from watching him play keys
calm your tits
wintry heart
Just play outlaw
I’d rather eat paint chips
vagrant sinew
Im just saying linking aggregate data that has a sample size of 10 players on each spec isnt everything week4 of the season
if rogue had 5 zacs it would be showing outlaw as the best spec
on archon
instead bro has 150 io more than r2
tribal blade
i was just pointing out
the last time i looked sin was like bottom of the charts
and now it's on top
which coincides will everything i'm seeing in game
and anecdotal data
vagrant sinew
I mean yeah I agree assa is probably better than sub above like 18 right now
but I have no idea how big the margin is because I dont push
vagrant sinew
but if you wanna be nitpicky the highest io rogue atm is still zac and nobody will be saying outlaw is meta
tribal blade
and outlaw currently has the least title range players in it
likely why
but i don't care about all that, i just care that sin stats have dramatically improved very quickly
vagrant sinew
I mean it makes sense
people do alot of keys > they were lets say 17,18 resil a week or two ago > assa gets small buffs > they try assa in keys and also get more gear, now they have timed same keys or 1 higher on assa
lapis barn
Guys my guild's rogue just sent me this, how accurate is it?
lapis barn
Thought so
timid rose
brand new to rogue, if i don't have cheat death up, do i ask my tank to hold pulls in M+ until it's back?
eternal abyss
brand new to rogue, if i don't have cheat death up, do i ask my tank to hold pul...
This almost sounds like a troll question, but if it’s genuine then: 😁
You can hover over the talent and it says exactly what it does.
It’s a 6 minute cooldown and it procs when an ability might kill you otherwise.
Once it’s on cooldown, every next ability that might kill you, will 100% kill you.
So no, you cant tell your tank to wait 6 minutes for a next pull😁
fiery fog
!fuu
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timid rose
This almost sounds like a troll question, but if it’s genuine then: 😁
You can h...
sorry yes i'm new to rogue, but was just trying to go with the bit 🙂
limpid sage
do you guys know when parses lock in
eternal abyss
Yeah no worries, ask whatever you like.
Learning a new class can sometimes be overwhelming.
limpid sage
it used to be earlier I feel
vagrant sinew
it used to be like noon cet
timid rose
really digging how sub feels, long time monk main that just wasn't vibing with current WW, tried out enh for a bit but i'm too old to keep up with it. The sub rotation feels wonderful to play.
Still trying to figure out how to best gear this though, guides say hitting 18% haste breakpoint, but sims keep wanting more and more
grizzled bay
!fuu
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tepid raven
or maybe daytime savings muddled it +-1 hour
Fairly certain it did
crystal atlas
That opener posted above can't be right
tepid raven
Guys my guild's rogue just sent me this, how accurate is it?
It’s missing “blame ranged for prepulling”
tepid raven
Look I go when the boss moves if the tank hasn’t taunted it that’s someone else’s fault
I will not take responsibility for my mistakes or be held accountable
That’s what Cheat is for
timid rose
Right now in our group it's been the Demolock's apex pets just going and tagging whatever they want to in the room
swift tinsel
this season we've had the joy of people pulling on "3" for some reason
probably 1/4 or so of our pulls are quite early
coincidentally, we have a new boomkin
tepid raven
A classique
I actually managed to get auto’d by beloren on pull
A feat of some quality as the boss doesn’t auto on pull
It should insta cast
lilac stag
I actually managed to get auto’d by beloren on pull
On Vora our Paladin puzzle box’d in shroud, getting me auto’d and proc’ng cheat since tank was still walking up.
spice matrix
!fuu
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vale pine
Guys my guild's rogue just sent me this, how accurate is it?
i love the cheat death ^^
its soo true
crystal comet
The number of times I've nearly gotten clapped in m+ from shadow striking onto a boss and it autoing me before tricks redirects it to the tank is approximately equal to the number of bosses in m+
Guaranteed I'd be -1000 io without cheat
vale pine
i like to storm when close to mobs, if the tank isn't there
crystal comet
My favorite new thing I've started is using storm to redirect the skeleton packs in Maisara when everyone else is still catching up then cloak + belf racial to take their shields
thin sinew
!stats
wicked joltBOT
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Mastery >= `Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700)` > `Critical Strike` > Versatility
astral axle
I actually managed to get auto’d by beloren on pull
neon stirrup
On Ezzorak and Vaegor is there any benefit to be hitting specific boss from atrophic poison point of view as to reduce more dmg?
tepid raven
On mythic you should be hitting both regularly enough to not have to think about it
On HC hit Ezzorak (I think he casts gloom)
Whichever one the soak comes out of
If you want to help with atrophic
But it’s not really that big a deal for HC I think
neon stirrup
Thank you kind sir
strange chasm
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torpid echo
regarding the most recent posted pin and haste breakdowns, do we ever want to aim for the 1k haste mentioned for Deathstalker or that's just a rough reference and we should still aim for 700ish as most bosses are done as trickster?
hazy breach
If you want to play deathstalker, aim for that breakpoint
If not, then dont
But also turns out the new trickster talent in .5 is way stronger than expected
So DS probably aint it anyway
strange chasm
Which talent
hazy breach
Cloud cover, its mentioned in the pins if you scroll down a bit
torpid echo
If you want to play deathstalker, aim for that breakpoint
I really don't want to 😂 Hate ds and mark management, but proging both vora and saladar and those are pure ST
torpid echo
So DS probably aint it anyway
if this is true u made me really happy 😂
finite hedge
I responded a few times in your log thread just now.
strange chasm
You don't think the DS changes will be enough tho?
hazy breach
DS aint getting anything besides QoL
torpid echo
ok I'll keep Trickester breakpoints then, ty @hazy breach
strange chasm
The extra fazed stacks from cloud cover seems strong no?
finite hedge
But also turns out the new trickster talent in .5 is way stronger than expected
What makes it stronger than expected?
hazy breach
Surprising strikes stacks up to 3 times too
swift tinsel
that plus rotten sounds kinda nutty
strange chasm
Now if they could make it so when in cloud cover the rogue is immune to damage 😮
finite hedge
does that make crit a stronger stat
hazy breach
Yes
torpid echo
oh boi, wll it outweight mastery? or will be assa angle and all secundaries will be good?
swift tinsel
might be a burst vs overall type deal
and currently all non-vers secondaries are good
torpid echo
nice, so crit will give us less burst but more falt profile and mastery will give us big spikes of burst
swift tinsel
and even vers isn't bad
hazy breach
Its still not working correctly in aoe in sims well see
But yes burst is WAY up
and crit stonks is also WAY up
torpid echo
ty for the info guys 🙂
swift tinsel
I welcome the return of the burst
very warmly
anything to make blades feel like a cd again
swift tinsel
worse cloud cover
hazy breach
-10% finisher crit chance*
finite hedge
10% crit chance on finsihers
swift tinsel
but losing 10% crit chance on finishers
crystal bone
ouch
lilac stag
just get crit 4head
finite hedge
wait does cloud cover also work with smoke then
tepid raven
I will high roll
finite hedge
-15% dmg?
swift tinsel
good thing I stashed my solarflare prism to still not use it
tepid raven
I don’t care
strange chasm
-10% finisher crit chance*
Surely thats better than cloud cover.
hazy breach
crystal bone
if it's a net gain or buff i'll take it for raid
crystal bone
we'll be the go-to raid spec then
finite hedge
+100 crit damage on builders too
paper stirrup
Cant wait to use blades and see the tank kite mobs out of the cloud
shrewd lantern
isnt it on you
crystal bone
yeah, at least it lingers for 10 sec
finite hedge
Wait is Surprising strikes stacking also going to fuck with Apex optimization since ShS gonna be stonger now as well
crystal bone
could be worse
hazy breach
Unfortunately its really really really bad to have it be shorter than ~18 seconds
The second sectech really wants to be in that window
Because when the buff ends (so after 20 seconds) the 3 stacks of fazed remain on the mobs
Until you proc a new unseen blade and try to refresh it
shrewd lantern
is the cloud itself dropped under you
hazy breach
So if you leave the smoke early your sectech will not only miss out on the +16% dmg, but it will also reset it down to 1 stack
hazy breach
is the cloud itself dropped under you
Yes
swift tinsel
is there any toy we can use to root tanks
shrewd lantern
i would assume its similar range to smokebomb
hazy breach
Yeah its fairly big
finite hedge
Yeah it is pretty much
hazy breach
Its only gonna be an issue if you need to move across the room
swift tinsel
tanks moving out of cloud will be the new tanks not letting me stealth for IC
swift tinsel
surely we get their QoL where it follows
or it has a Twisting Blades-like visual that surround you
timid rose
Cloud Aura like Pigpen from Charlie Brown
swift tinsel
lol that was my first thought
crystal bone
So if you leave the smoke early your sectech will not only miss out on the +16% ...
that will be pain
i can already think of some raid bosses that have me moving across room when blades is rdy
swift tinsel
actually I wonder if its a gain to use toss to preserve the 3 stack as long as possible vs opportunity cost of losing UB hits
since you're also losing coup over time probs
hazy breach
Well youre not really gonna be doing much damage anyway at that point
Its more for aoe
swift tinsel
ye
hazy breach
Since unseen blade is a ST proc the 3x stacks will last the entire duration in aoe
(unless you sectech to remove them)
finite hedge
storm triggers blade too. can't really avoid it though
hazy breach
On your maintarget yes
finite hedge
ohh shit right
finite hedge
Yeah that's 30s of 3x fazed in aoe
swift tinsel
focus target shitter mob and focus storm it
finite hedge
sounds pretty fucken good
finite hedge
its 10s
swift tinsel
fazed is 10 ff is 12
hazy breach
Thats flawless form
paper stirrup
I cant see this buff making rogue do competitive dmg anyway
shrewd lantern
I cant see this buff making rogue do competitive dmg anyway
it'll be better in raid slightly for damage profile
lapis hatch
Just be like BM theory crafters and keep the cloud cover build hidden for another couple weeks till tuning is done
crystal bone
best case scenario we become mid
warm marlin
cloud cover gonna go crazy when we kill beloren next week 👿
sullen hare
Where
ornate ruin
just go outlaw guys they're gonna be simming 200k on tuesday
hallow mortar
nice try
swift tinsel
blizz remembering outlaw exists->mission impossible
timid rose
blizz remembering outlaw exists->mission impossible
they keep giving combat rogues buffs instead
sullen hare
they keep giving combat rogues buffs instead
sullen hare
That's the joke
strange shore
I have Plume, Guidon, and Puzzle Box. The ol' sims are saying Plume and Box...but the dps is underwhelming when stacked up next to Plume and Guidon in m+? Unless I'm really not understanding how to use box?
timid rose
i honestly think puzzle box is a bit more of a sim trap than people let on. yeah it's great if you get optimal utilization of it, but so many things can make it go wrong too
dry flame
I really appreciate some of you guys, just wanted to say
lilac stag
I have Plume, Guidon, and Puzzle Box. The ol' sims are saying Plume and Box...bu...
Use it with assa.
run guidon as sub
strange shore
Copy that
shrewd lantern
dont play 2 on use
shrewd lantern
That's the joke
sullen hare
Based Guy
brisk onyx
nice meme
north schooner
confirmed blizzard employee
crystal bone
astral axle
So if you leave the smoke early your sectech will not only miss out on the +16% ...
lmao
solemn lance
so wait when do we get the SMOKE!
im reallly just excited to tell people "You dont want this smoke"
astral axle
shadow dust smoke 
timid rose
i'm just going to macro in when it goes down to whisper my tank not to move until it's gone
timid rose
solemn lance
its like the ole fire mage circles in M+. Tank almost always kites them out of it
tulip gorge
I already have practice with death and decay 
worst case scenario you run back to your smoke before it expires to refresh your buff
ornate ruin
just grapple to the smoke and then grapple back
swift tinsel
"grapple" excuse me sir
timid rose
wait, am i missing something from my bars?
swift tinsel
I'm just gonna ping limit the middle of the cloud as soon as it drops
timid rose
set up a macro to place ground charms around the edge of the whole thing to let the tank know it's limits
serene notch
Some morning questions: If I cast sexytec inside blades , but blades drops off before the animation finishes does it count?
warm marlin
you need blades to still be active when the clones hit 0.6s and 1.2s after casting
serene notch
I find myself in an awkward position a lot where dance is about to come up 2 secs after blades ends but I can maybe cram in the 2nd sectec before blades ends. What’s better hold the sectec for dance super charge or cram inside a danceless blades?
warm marlin
hold dance for last 8s of blades so that that sectec hits in dance and blades, if you can't hit it get a bit more haste
serene notch
you need blades to still be active when the clones hit 0.6s and 1.2s after casti...
The timing seems hard for me to hit, maybe I really need the use the macro for blades+tec
warm marlin
macro is very good
serene notch
hold dance for last 8s of blades so that that sectec hits in dance and blades, i...
I understand this is the best answer but let’s say you in the situation that I wrote. Are you holding for a supercharged sectec or you jamming it into a no dance blades.
warm marlin
holding
serene notch
I was at 830 hast and no trinket and still struggling to get the 2nd cast in with confidence. Guess I need more practice
tepid steppe
The timing seems hard for me to hit, maybe I really need the use the macro for b...
Ya I'm at 800 and that sec tech is really tight, I think I need a bit more haste
serene notch
I’m going to see if the macro helps, I always feel about 1 sec off, I can get the cast inside blades but feel like the animation never completes before blades falls off
fathom adder
is that new trickster talent good for real or is it a meme making it potentially shake up the strenght of the specs?
finite hedge
its good
meager coyote
all this yap about casting 2nd dance at 8 seconds of blades and using sectech without supercharger is only if u don't have guidon right, with guidon nothing changed??
fading saffron
yo gamers - is there any value getting past 700 haste? does mast/crit outweigh any dmg you can get with longer dances and shorter sectecs?
dense geode
yo gamers - is there any value getting past 700 haste? does mast/crit outweigh a...
i dont know why but my sim as trickster like 1k haste
Idk if its correct though
crystal atlas
hold dance for last 8s of blades so that that sectec hits in dance and blades, i...
Does this matter if the sectec is supercharged?
fading saffron
like does 707 haste/ 1222 mastery do more for me in the course of a fight, versus the 831 haste / 1065 mastery?
tepid raven
Every other blades it won’t be
lilac stag
all this yap about casting 2nd dance at 8 seconds of blades and using sectech wi...
!guidon
tepid raven
It’s still good
wicked joltBOT
Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
fading saffron
sims seem to be all wonky - so wondering if anyone has insight with their own stats versus what sims tell them
tepid raven
all this yap about casting 2nd dance at 8 seconds of blades and using sectech wi...
You should be doing this with guidon already
meager coyote
so that fucking changed to being what I said it would be rather than what I was told it was last time I talked about it HMMM
lilac stag
What is wonky?
meager coyote
when did this change
swift tinsel
weeks ago
lilac stag
Sometime between now and when you last looked weeks ago?
fading saffron
What is wonky?
sims wanting me to be under 600 haste buffed and go into heavy crit
tepid raven
Fairly certain since you get 4 set it’s been the case you should aim to do this
swift tinsel
yep
tepid raven
You just need more haste to do it without guidon
If you have guidon you could do it from the start
meager coyote
Sometime between now and when you last looked weeks ago?
lawl
lilac stag
sims wanting me to be under 600 haste buffed and go into heavy crit
Just saying random thing and stats doesn’t help. You can post a sim and I’m sure someone would be willing to give you feedback instead of randomly guessing what your gear, including trinkets looks like.
vivid phoenix
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tepid raven
sims wanting me to be under 600 haste buffed and go into heavy crit
The sim will aim slightly lower than actually optimal because it is a robot with 0 latency or reaction time easy trick is to turn off oils to force it to give you an appropriate amount of haste
serene notch
so that fucking changed to being what I said it would be rather than what I was ...
Why so angry….😐