subtlety

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106224572811984956/1377283740501409852/DaveRoseGif.gif

[lilac stag]

Did the other apl goodies get pushed?

[serene notch]

With my current gearing I’m having a hard time getting two sectecs into blades and almost never have the 2nd one line up with a dance

I’m probably doing something wrong

[hazy breach]

No, koji hasnt put it through yet

[wise fulcrum]

I was having the same issue last night

[lilac stag]

anything major effecting rotation or just minor stuff

[rain portal]

hi fella sub rogues, can i have a sword in my offhand with no downsides?

[hazy breach]

Minor stuff really.

[swift tinsel]

nope

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[hallow mortar]

how much is warr and shaman buff?

for us

[rain portal]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[rain portal]

thanks 🙂

[swift tinsel]

you lose a lot of combo points by having a slow offhand

[hazy breach]

Its roughly -10% energy and combo points by using a sword

[lilac stag]

5% and 8% ish

[hazy breach]

compared to a dagger

[rain portal]

uff

thats big, ok thank you guys vm

[hallow mortar]

damn so i lost 13% in raid buff and still parses well 😄

insane work

[swift tinsel]

raiding without a warrior or shaman sounds like cock and ball torture ngl

[lilac stag]

Kill timings and shitty range players matter more than anything.

[hallow mortar]

true

volarius 98 withnout warr 😄

and chimerus splitted akari soul 🙁

[keen dome]

``` huh, that's interesting

[exotic steeple]

650 haste without oils andwith guidon

[swift tinsel]

very

I've wondered for a long time if they'd ever do that

[serene notch]

Maybe I’ll get to experience some mythic raiding that sounds exciting

[keen dome]

Curious how it'll turn out, esp with tuning. But a neat idea if the additional raids later in season are gonna be a way to get people trying them

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[faint hemlock]

my sims always want me to lower my haste, below 18% does the sims not take to account of the double sectech?

[hazy breach]

Right above that

[faint hemlock]

I am aware of this, but does this trumf my own sims?

[hazy breach]

The sim isnt doing the double sectech thing if you dont have guidon

[faint hemlock]

okey thank you!

[odd knoll]

does any1 has link to zac ui?

[lilac stag]

All in outlaw?

[serene notch]

When it says flask , are we taking haste flask or mastery?

[shrewd lantern]

why not just ask him

[lilac stag]

Haste if you need it for breakpoint

[swift tinsel]

should be in his stream otherwise

iirc he has a !ui command

[odd knoll]

got it

[serene notch]

I wonder if that breakpoint (800 for me I don’t have Gideon) is more important then main stat off a food buff.

[lilac stag]

You can change it in top gear to get a general idea

[flint parrot]

0 rogue changes, as always

[keen dome]

we're perfect

[shrewd lantern]

[lusty narwhal]

at least no nerfs

[flint parrot]

yeah perfect my boy

better then ever

[shrewd lantern]

lowkey this is the most unfun iteration of sub

i’ve played

besides aberrus

not even a tuning thing

[strange chasm]

Rogue is perfect man

[shrewd lantern]

the spec just plays like shit

[strange chasm]

Wdym

[keen dome]

Damage knob doesn't solve anything

[shrewd lantern]

i enjoy hitting storm bp

[keen dome]

Raid buff, poison toggle, new button to bring burst profile back

[flint parrot]

rogue sucks in general
just hoped on my ret and im happy

[shrewd lantern]

with 0 thought process

devourer is kind of entertaining

most specs absolute snoozefest

[stuck arrow]

Neat.

Bigger hurdle though is mythic lockout which is pure terror.

[keen dome]

I wish they'd delete the Mythic lockout system

[swift tinsel]

looks like those notes are mostly healer tuning

now do the rest of dps that aren't not-rogues please

[keen dome]

they're gonna do it on friday

[lusty narwhal]

ok thats it

time to close the rogue discord

whos with me

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/wanda-maximoff-gif-16537021367469447634

every time someone says close the discord even more of me dies

[keen dome]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-nobody-thats-who-nobody-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-gif-22941958

[swift tinsel]

I forever hate rets for that most of all

[fading whale]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

making it a permeating joke across class discords

[lusty narwhal]

what do you mean it worked

😄

[swift tinsel]

no it didn't

[keen dome]

it absolutely didn't lmao

[swift tinsel]

they happened to receive favorable tuning along with other underperforming specs

correlation =/= causation

[plush roost]

Rsham buffs

Dont care

Didnt ask

Windfury in my keys

Wwwwwwwww

W

W

Big

W

[swift tinsel]

the healer I play with most in keys runs rsham and hpal and they're both feasting

[stuck arrow]

I think they can't though because they're worried about creating split requirement nightmares at rwf level.

Would need to have some sort of way to eliminate that. Would require a full systematic overhaul

[hazy breach]

Devourer is only buffed by like 5% instead of 10% too

[keen dome]

The obvious compromise is to make it work like Heroic once HoF closes imo

[vocal rock]

Idk personally when I’m in high keys I’m super grateful for my simple rotation as my focus becomes tracking my 4 interrupts appropriately and dodging things

[swift tinsel]

they don't even take that talent lmao

[hazy breach]

They do in .5

[shrewd lantern]

do you guys not just notice shit under your feet?

i swear the only annoying instance is cosmos puddles because those are more of "you're closer to the puddle than the mob is"

[hazy breach]

Im gonna be dropping a huge smoke bomb for the entire raid to see (but it doesnt reduce any damage or remove los)

So nobody can see

[stuck arrow]

Yeah.

I think it would be cute / better to just tokenize loot with weekly caps, TBH. Every player who in the raid gets x tokens, gear costs XY tokens per slot.

[swift tinsel]

oh did they finally fix it being bugged?

[hazy breach]

Idk but they got some changes so that talent was really good

[swift tinsel]

yeah uncapped feast

[stuck arrow]

Similar to crests. Then fully remove mythic lockout.

Hell maybe you just make mythic drops upgrades to heroic gear

[chrome palm]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-traumatisado-gif-6032284984473165967

[azure mauve]

you progging egg?

[shrewd lantern]

nah crest cap is good

[vocal rock]

Tornados from that big mob in MC is annoying especially when tank is dragging it to chain pull more mobs

[azure mauve]

you did it as sub or sin?

[shrewd lantern]

fuck losing to some unemployed mfs who got 10 ilvls from spamming keys all day on release

[unreal silo]

which roll would be best on trash boe legs? low haste mastery or what

[plush roost]

lura

[azure mauve]

and what spec were you on egg

[plush roost]

key buff im happy boy

assa

and i got shit rng

madge

[azure mauve]

or what do you recommend senpai

[shrewd lantern]

thats...a giant ass tornado

[plush roost]

Bascially, Assa has a better burn, and sub handles adds better

[shrewd lantern]

whatever is cheaper with a tert

[plush roost]

so whatever ur guild is struggling with

[shrewd lantern]

oops

[vocal rock]

Pretty sure there’s two of em lol

[shrewd lantern]

whatever is cheaper with a tert

[azure mauve]

are you doing lura as sin as well?

[warm marlin]

I do think sub's burn will be better next week

[plush roost]

DS sub probs

[warm marlin]

if your guild isnt expecting to kill belo this week

[plush roost]

also this is true

[warm marlin]

cloud cover gonna go crazy

[azure mauve]

wait why next week?

[plush roost]

cloud cover

[shrewd lantern]

wait we fr playing cloud cover?

[plush roost]

change

[shrewd lantern]

[plush roost]

Yeah its 16% bonus damage in blades

kinda good lmao

[warm marlin]

iirc its better even in 5min patchwerk but it is also way more burst so auto default on belo

[shrewd lantern]

idk playing sub in keys makes me want to alt f4

only so much ss bp spam i can handle

[warm marlin]

ye same

[shrewd lantern]

before i want to mental boom

[stuck arrow]

That's what I'm saying though. Make raid loot like crests to eliminate splits then kill mythic lockout.

[vocal rock]

Spark this week is kinda useless now right? All my mythic crests are gonna go into my mythic vault gear now

[shrewd lantern]

aberrus was only worse because blades wasnt a real cd

[swift tinsel]

sometimes I play sin or outlaw in keys to appreciate sub

[shrewd lantern]

so you sent that shit whenever because who tf cares

[plush roost]

unrelated but rate my mog, Xalapanda

toes included

[stuck arrow]

Just play DDH instead. Same spam but atleast ramping feels good.

[swift tinsel]

and in return I just dislike playing 3 specs in keys instead of 1

[shrewd lantern]

i mean yeah sub is only fun on aoe

for the first 2 gcds

sectech and coup

then i want to die

[swift tinsel]

lol yup

[balmy gate]

Demo easy peasy

[swift tinsel]

Demo was taken out back playstyle wise

tyrant dynamically updating makes it so braindead

[odd knoll]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah i mean

no rogue spec rn feels that interesting

[swift tinsel]

nope

[shrewd lantern]

i consider sin like vanilla ice cream

dull but it always works

[swift tinsel]

I hate their apex so much

[shrewd lantern]

although big SD booms were funny

[swift tinsel]

the only fun part of sin is the turbo-cp stabs of kb

[shrewd lantern]

but idk sub rn in dungeons is probably

[merry agate]

Sin in Keys is kinda fun... nice prio makes me feel something at least

[shrewd lantern]

the most unfun thing ever

[swift tinsel]

yep

[shrewd lantern]

sin you get the tank that pulls 2 mobs

and makes you want to reach through the screen

[swift tinsel]

or you watch your energy crumble if you have to CT to 8+ mobs

[deft moss]

Wait so I should swap to cloud cover and use it with blades on CD then? Raid and M+?

[shrewd lantern]

wdym use on cd

its a passive

[deft moss]

No...u have to use distract

[hazy breach]

No

[shrewd lantern]

nope

[hazy breach]

Its passive

[shrewd lantern]

read the rework

[swift tinsel]

Not in 12.0.5

[deft moss]

Ohhhh

Ok

My bad

[shrewd lantern]

the best use of distract is making stinky horde players walk off bridges

[azure mauve]

thousand needles

a man of many talents i see

[astral axle]

i rate it char out of rend

[merry agate]

Priest->Shaman

[weary cedar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[obsidian crag]

im using puzzle box and " drum of renewed bonds" as trinkets, i wonder, are there a better trinket that drum from mplus? for cleave

[torpid echo]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[placid coral]

Can anyone help me with a log please? I desperately want to improve but I don’t understand where I’m making mistakes.

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1494060390257131630/image.png?ex=69e13bab&is=69dfea2b&hm=7cafd1e23dc2c985c337396578014748a492cde59edef0c463e0ce071feed138&

[keen dome]

If you do !log you can get a thread for it, and post the log in there. Someone may have time to look at it.

[swift tinsel]

[opal basalt]

got 276 legs and 266 bracers, sim tells me it's better to craft bracers

we trust him?

(crafting hast/mast)

[sullen hare]

yeah we trust robot-san

[placid coral]

I did one last night and it just didn’t get much if any traction. One guy said you’re doing fine but not padding and I just don’t know what to do with that info considering I’m grey parsing.

[plush roost]

Well yeah one is 10 ilvls lower

[opal basalt]

i'm so scared because it constantly puts me under 700 haste

[chrome palm]

you may want to investigate what else you can replace those existing pieces with

leg craft is a higher value than a bracer

blindly crafting what is the most immediate upgrade could be a mistake

[opal basalt]

yeah lemme check what happens if i upgrade bracers to 276 as i got the crests for it

[chrome palm]

also play with stats

if i sim myself with one pair of boots, a 289 dagger is a downgrade over my 276 one, but if i change boots, suddenly its a massive upgrade

if you are at/near a breakpoint it will have a big effect

[opal basalt]

i hate this shitty ass breakpoint man

especially because sim doesn't respect it the same way we need to

[chrome palm]

[opal basalt]

wild shit

yeah i think its upgrade bracers, craft legs

[light pumice]

What is the best buff on algethat academy? haste?

[shrewd lantern]

i would say pants are a good send but you can also slam rerolls into pit next week and pray

[alpine wraith]

mastery

[hazy breach]

Not haste at all

[shrewd lantern]

so idk

[hazy breach]

Vers or mastery

[light pumice]

Alright thanks

[alpine wraith]

actually yea vers is also good

[light pumice]

Going on a 15 so vers seems a good choice 😄

[shrewd lantern]

i think they nerfed the aa vers from 5 to 3

[hazy breach]

They nerfed all of them

From 5 to 3

[shrewd lantern]

wasnt mastery a flat amount

in df

i forgor

there was something that made it worse than vers

for even pure damage

[hazy breach]

Pretty sure it still is, they just adjusted the tooltip

But it doesnt really matter

The reason vers is good

Is because 3% vers is 162 worth of stats, the other ones are 130-140 worth of stats

[fair phoenix]

!addosn

!addons

[vale pine]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• **The first dance tracker

[vale pine]

i should fix the test for the first dance tracker

[hollow spear]

Burst on sub? Laughable!

[swift tinsel]

yes please

[shrewd lantern]

wait cloud cover goes against the anti pad agenda

more burst is more sectech coup blowing up shitters

!

[wintry heart]

What’s cloud cover again

[karmic harbor]

does mrt not have time to die anymore?

[hollow spear]

The chemtrails the government puts in the sky to brainwash us

[hollow spear]

It's in the trickster hero tree and gets a rework in the 0.5 patch

[swift tinsel]

20sec of +16% damage taken when casting blades

(allows fazed to stack to 3)

[shrewd lantern]

its definietly going to be a pvp default i imagine

they generally dont care for more crits as much

[mystic remnant]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[golden totem]

are the personal reminders imported from lorgs.io automatically loaded on specific fights or do I need to toggle an option on NSRT ?

[shrewd lantern]

@warm marlin do you have cloak timing suggestions on crown

i assumed its just when you get multiple debuffs at once

[wintry heart]

Has the robot told us if we’re taking new cloud cover

[topaz crow]

does shiv work on volarus enrage?

[steel zinc]

Msuf has that for ages now

[vale pine]

many use elv, ark or other addons

so standalone utility addons will always have a niche use

[jade oasis]

i don’t think it works on any boss enrage

[limber folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050078382018265178/1454397083413909630/ezgif-395a166e2e34663d.gif

[jade oasis]

including in m+ (?)

[warm marlin]

1:40ish with second blades on the add

[jade oasis]

why do we take shiv in our raid talents

[warm marlin]

other than that when mechanics happen idk

not really an assignable fight

[shrewd lantern]

oh feinting it seems to not hurt thtt bad

[jade oasis]

wouldn’t like iron stomach or something be better?

[shrewd lantern]

but idk

[limber folio]

where

[jade oasis]

in raid

[warm marlin]

it gives you a debuff that makes you do 80% less damage or something

[limber folio]

i have copied raid talents

[shrewd lantern]

oh

[limber folio]

and i dont even have it

[jade oasis]

hmmm

[shrewd lantern]

[warm marlin]

[limber folio]

[shrewd lantern]

i swear the guides on boss

dont mention that

[jade oasis]

maybe

[shrewd lantern]

they basically ignore melee exist

[jade oasis]

im tripping

[shrewd lantern]

in general

[warm marlin]

well without feint that kinda hurts

prob why

who plays rogue omegalul

[whole lichen]

!guidon

[shrewd lantern]

yeah they do mention dont stand in voidling puddle

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[warm marlin]

I think the heroic guide iw atched said it

[shrewd lantern]

or you int the phase

[swift tinsel]

I just ate one the first time I saw it just to see lol

baby damage but -70% damage done

[shrewd lantern]

having the dot+absorb+obelisk is like

"well guess i go fuck myself"

[swift tinsel]

can stand in melee until ~1.7sec left on the cast and walk out at normal speed to avoid it

[swift tinsel]

my favorite is someone getting tether->obelisk and they run ahead of the group

[shrewd lantern]

also wait @warm marlin does standing in the circle your obelisk creates do damage

i've never tested

[serene notch]

This is why I love the sub discord, you learn all the obtuse no obvious shit that makes the spec fun. Even after the button trim.

[shrewd lantern]

Theres also the guidon snapshot krangle

that is marginally better

[hollow spear]

I swear to god, daggers don't exist in M+

[shrewd lantern]

we still farming one?

[hollow spear]

wdym still?

again

[real panther]

try raid my bro

[shrewd lantern]

Well you cant farm myth weapons

[toxic igloo]

Anyone ever take Vigor?

[sick karma]

is good to craft another dagger if i dont get one xd?

[shrewd lantern]

rank 1 oil what the helly

[real panther]

waste of crest imo

[real panther]

its not even oil xD

[harsh lotus]

At 3+ targets are we shurstorm into bplowder (sectech on cd)

[sick karma]

so one hero and the embelis craft?

[real panther]

total disrespect xD

[real panther]

you don't even have a champ dagger?

[shrewd lantern]

I don't speak croissant

[sick karma]

i have a hero one

[real panther]

it says "god tier dagger with trash consumable"

[shrewd lantern]

its only 3/6

[real panther]

I just looted xD give me time yo

[hollow spear]

yeah

crazy

3/6

and only 24 polyvalence

[shrewd lantern]

i mean its in offhand which is why the assumption

[real panther]

the main hand have too much french word in it, you wont like it

[hollow spear]

the bigger problem is that it doesnt have haste

[real panther]

misericorde is like "smh" but fancier

[shrewd lantern]

oh those are sharpening stones

i thought those were worse?

[hollow spear]

The French really squeeze water out of stones when it comes to fluffing up the word count

[real panther]

I like extra ap but I'll go for oil next, I havent tried yet

[shrewd lantern]

or you can use the tbc one

on mh only

[real panther]

tbc?

[shrewd lantern]

old sharpening stone

gives weapon damage

[real panther]

haha

[rain hazel]

is puzzle box simming correctly?

or wait, i'm asking that incorrectly

i got a guidon and a puzzle box recently

am i fucked?

[real panther]

play guidon

[rain hazel]

yeah that's what the sims suggest

rip my puzzle box

[real panther]

yes, it's way better and fits better in sub cds

[shrewd lantern]

why would you play both

[real panther]

I'm in the box jail cause I dont loot guidon..

[rain hazel]

because i have them

[real panther]

lost dps

[warm marlin]

i think so

[shrewd lantern]

ok so that is bad

[rain hazel]

crucible and guidon it is then

[warm marlin]

gotta bait properly

[real panther]

yes, guidon + passive trinket is insane

[shrewd lantern]

its bait right and go left generally iirc

as far as shooting simulcrums goes

[real panther]

and don't forget to activate guidon right before cd window to get the stat proc fully

theres something about that in the guide faq

[thorn sundial]

at 700 haste are we supposed to get 7 or 8 gcds in shadow dance?

[daring raptor]

100

8

[pine viper]

is it ok to craft after 2 embellish

for like no first 4 mythic raid drop slots

[thorn sundial]

im no expert but from my personal understanding yes, its just that if u use crests, and eventually replace that piece with a methic piece 6/6 (which is like 3 more ilvl) then u lose those crests

[pine viper]

but if its a lower piece like 2/6 myth you only lose 20 crests correct?

since you can upgrade up to crafted gear for free

[thorn sundial]

hmm if u can then yea, but im not sure it allows you too

i honestly have no clue lol

[pine viper]

[sage pond]

you upgrade free until the itemlevel you already had

so you got 285 crafted, get 272 drop, can upgrade to 285 for free

[lilac stag]

You can craft whatever will help your prog. Don’t worry about the slots too much. Everyone will have different better / worse upgrade slots depending on what has dropped in raid/vault.

I would just avoid crafting a second dagger

[modest summit]

Our guild phases beloren too quick if I use shadow blades on pull, so I don't have it up on lust. Should I just go assassination this fight 😶

Like there's no way it's worth to stay subtlety even if I'm slightly better geared for it right

[lilac stag]

you do what you want to do

if you’re rekilling does it matter?

[modest summit]

It's prog otherwise I'd just do whatever

Was just wondering if anyone else encountered the same thing

[lilac stag]

I’d look at timings on lorrgs and see what fits better for your comp

You’re basically holding 2nd blades to 2 mins

getting another between eggs

also fuck assa

[outer orchid]

my sim for DS with +50 primary food at 1046 haste is .6% higher than +64 secondary at 1110 haste (3% increase compared to trickster without gem swaps)
is losing 64 haste going to shorten windows by a significant amount or could I just assume .6% is margin of error with human play and just play with the extra haste?

[hazy breach]

Primary is just good

[left ledge]

yo

[outer orchid]

i'll have to test a gem swap and compare then

[left ledge]

we in?

[lilac stag]

There will be a new English/Chinese post later to support

[left ledge]

im play DS on beloren tonight possibly

and i already said this but

im 100% DS on lura

[crystal atlas]

Would we potentially want tier pants and 1st boss mast crit helm?

[west tide]

why would i be ds on lura

when i could be trickster maxing

chat how do i play ds

i need to read the faq and wowhead again see yall on luren

[lilac stag]

It’s an option

[hazy breach]

Fwiw trickstermaxxing might be back on the menu after .5 👀

Cloud cover looks pretty solid

[fiery fog]

man these legs are so sexy
unfortunately they are on my alt

[warm marlin]

4 plumes in a heroic pug and lost all of them and no one wants to sell

I will never shed my renown trinket

[outer orchid]

they just don't want to see DS win

[hazy breach]

Cloud cover has some unexpected things that make it better than it looks. The 3 stack fazed does not instantly get removed once the smoke (aka blades) ends, it does reset back to 1 whenever you refresh it with unseen blade/sectech though

It also makes the +50% crit damage talent apply 3 times, so strike crit goes fucking hard during blades

[outer orchid]

insane to me that the harder playstyle is not rewarded with more damage

[brisk onyx]

so maybe smoke work 3 times?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[brisk onyx]

15%dr

[outer orchid]

👀

[stuck arrow]

One of us. One of us.

[shrewd lantern]

using sb as a defensive

cooked

[molten citrus]

Trying a bunch of damage to a floor aoe sounds.. lovely

[hazy breach]

Yeah its a bit stinky

[bleak night]

welcome back rune of power

[stuck arrow]

What kind of percentage are we looking at?

[hazy breach]

not sure

[stuck arrow]

Honestly I wouldn't mind having more shit to think about while playing Sub lol

[west tide]

i need 2 sets of gear now man

honestly i cant even get close to 1000 haste anyways

[brisk onyx]

it will be ok ,maybe

[alpine wraith]

they learnt

[swift tinsel]

Ooo positive interactions with new talent, can’t wait to see them get cratered

[outer orchid]

outside of sd do we care about dn being used with apex or is that losing to not just send

[lusty acorn]

I heard we will got class tunning in friday?

[ionic ingot]

important to track coup de grace? easy way to make sure i dont miss them?

[brisk onyx]

track EB on CDM, so you know its ready when 4 EB

[tribal vortex]

for me eb is not working correctly on track evis

[brisk onyx]

idk this way working for me always

[lilac moss]

U guys talking about the cloud talent for next patch?

for sub?

[little garnet]

Sorry if this is common knowledge, but why do I sometimes mid run lose one poison when the other one is still at 40 minutes

[brisk onyx]

As far as I know, this happens when you join/leave arena or some pvp things

[exotic steeple]

greyparsemaxxing

shametoguildmaxxing

moggedbynpc

moggedbyarmswarr

[brisk onyx]

for trickster in 12.0.5

[outer orchid]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[quaint lodge]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[lilac moss]

Why people spam chinese fake news

rogue>every other class

[iron obsidian]

because its a meme

[exotic steeple]

yep we bring shroud (which mage doesnt have in a better version)

[serene notch]

It’s our duty to spread sub propaganda

[lilac moss]

ur assa, get outta here

[lilac moss]

[serene notch]

See we need buffs

[peak moat]

Yeap, but ur dmg in raid its kinda sad rn

[iron obsidian]

buddy i play whichever spec is best

[lilac moss]

GET OUTTA HERE ASSA

[exotic steeple]

yea uhm lemme uhm rupture uhmm ct uhmmm

[lilac moss]

go play warrior for bleeds

this guy thinks hes a rogue😭

[exotic steeple]

my hairs turn grey playing current assa

[peak moat]

by 0.1% niiice

[serene notch]

Assa is -50 smiles per min

[peak moat]

But bleeds and venons are our way too

dont limit yourself little padawan

[shrewd lantern]

not really

[mint folio]

Close the dc till buffs

[shrewd lantern]

whopping 0.5% instant poison

[serene notch]

NGL I could go for a tier or season where outlaw is the play for raid.

[fair phoenix]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[lucid jackal]

It has been awhile

[fair phoenix]

u guys think 800 hast is good for keys as sub

the new hast breakpoint lolol

[tidal solstice]

everywhere else in the game im doing crazy shit with sub though. wish we could get some long-fight sustained DPS and cleave back. single target t11 delve boss:

[serene notch]

Outlaw for raid??? This must be a reply to something else.

[lucid jackal]

Yeah its been awhile

Last real outlaw tier was like, vault

or castle nathria

[lilac stag]

CN imo

[serene notch]

Ok yea

[lilac stag]

Even after the assa overturning outlaw still has some good fights

[serene notch]

Of the three specs I feel like it has the most skill expression.

[lilac stag]

Real Chads playing KS on SLG

[serene notch]

Not having access to shadowstep and hook instead makes shit weirdly harder

[lilac stag]

Hook makes things easier

[serene notch]

Think so?

[lilac stag]

You know exactly where you’re going vs randomly getting camera 180s

[serene notch]

I feel like I can reposition so much easier with step

[lilac stag]

I love stepping into a death zone, what in skyreach

[fair phoenix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[serene notch]

Yea I do think you can kill yourself more often with step

But 90% of the time I’d rather step then hook to position.

[lilac moss]

This

[serene notch]

I would wager maintaining uptime easier with step then hook which matters much more with outlaw

[lilac moss]

Second boss😍

[shrewd lantern]

hook's cd has been so short

[random mason]

Double hook is so good

[thorny escarp]

How are you guys going about swapping between Sub and Mut on fights given different stat prios?

[lilac stag]

mut?

[warm marlin]

all my jewelry is 276 so i just swap them

[lucid jackal]

Both are fairly similar

Only diffy is like, u want not ring set on sin

[lilac stag]

wtf is mut

[lucid jackal]

assa

[thorny escarp]

Sorry I mean assassination, been out of it for many years

[lilac stag]

jesus

[thorny escarp]

Ah sweet, I was thinking I was out of luck given haste cap etc on sub with Assa stacking crit

[lilac stag]

calling it sin is bad enough. Don’t make me call Seli

[lucid jackal]

Sin wants haste crit

Sub also wants haste crit

Sub is just pickier with breakpoints

[lilac stag]

just don’t play assa and problem solves itself.

[swift tinsel]

Been calling it sin since the EJ days

[lilac stag]

So you’ve been wrong for 17+ years?

[gilded thistle]

hell yes

[tribal blade]

i used to call it mut back in the day

[swift tinsel]

My sin set is still called Mut in my equip pane lol

[hallow mortar]

is it over for us? they keep buffing other classes but nothing about us

[lilac stag]

How can it be over if it never started?

[hallow mortar]

true

but being left to rot

not cool

[gilded thistle]

5% aura buff in our future, surely. Surely.

[lilac stag]

just vibe

[quaint lodge]

new tuning idea

the tuning valeera has in delves on healer is what we get

we might go dummy

[swift tinsel]

Nah

Can’t even get the dps part right

[frail kindle]

bro sub is lowkey lit af on bird

you just sac all damage in p1 and go into egg phase with 6 superchargers lmao

goat spec

[weak glade]

And do tank damage lol

[shell hollow]

Thoughts on DS ST on M Saladbar as opposed to Trickster?

[hallow mortar]

on progg is better triuckster since you suppose to swap to orbs

[dense current]

whats subs gimmick/aesthetic.

[shell hollow]

Assuming you can get DN resets?

[still vector]

Do we have someone on wow analyzer?

[shell hollow]

and transfer it properly

[dense current]

trying to pick which rogue spec speaks to me most... whats this ones gimmick.

[lucid jackal]

If u doing tank damage atp ur just a noob

[lucid jackal]

Its a mix of sin and otl kinda

[tribal blade]

having dmg every 20 secs

[lucid jackal]

Ur slow sometimes, very fast sometimes

[graceful osprey]

5% buff to backstab, you’ll see

[tribal blade]

sub also very good at sniping stuff that dies in 5 seconds

[weak glade]

It was a joke lol

[fickle jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/mirror-image-gif-22606455

[frail kindle]

i mean depends what u mean by tank damage

[dense current]

so like outlaws have the pirate thing going (kinda) whats our aesthetic.

[frail kindle]

u can try as hard as you want youll still lose to a bear druid lmao

[hearty mural]

havent been playign this week but im still stuck on whats better...i have heroic Light company equipped but got a mythic in vault..and chest underneath is a Myth chest tier

[lucid jackal]

The vibe is shadow ninja

[dusky yacht]

Sim?

[tulip merlin]

Is it ever worth to craft two daggers ?

[lucid jackal]

nop

[dusky yacht]

Offhand is fancy stat stick, one crafted embellished dagger great tho so then even if it goes to offhand it's still bis prolly

[chrome palm]

@lucid jackal

[wary turtle]

on crown are yall spamming BP or evis during p1 when taking down the adds?

[chrome palm]

it begins

[lucid jackal]

LOL literally

[chrome palm]

also week 4

no dagger to be seen

i got the crest save mace tho ;_;

[tribal blade]

we've done a 180

gone from wanting absolutely no haste to wanting it on every single piece of gear

wonderful

[swift tinsel]

I am Yamcha in a hole

https://tenor.com/view/yamcha-yamcha-death-pose-yamcha-dead-yamcha-on-the-ground-yamcha-sleeping-gif-15816799

[tribal blade]

hopefully this is only a season 1 problem

and we don't try hitting new haste breakpoints in S2 and 3

[swift tinsel]

Oh we’re gonna

[tribal blade]

yeah i suspect we'll be pushing haste later lol

[swift tinsel]

Gonna need more haste for longer dance with shorter blades

[tribal blade]

even more

[tribal blade]

HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT

bruh i'm dead

[swift tinsel]

Yep the s1 tier set kinda cucks us

Double Sectech in blades rip

[sacred jewel]

tfw my sim likes the vers pants (656 haste) over the mastery pants (713 haste) 😔

[swift tinsel]

Will need giga haste outside lust unless we get guidon 2.0

Or we just keep it next season lol

Like it’s ‘cool’ we can double Sectech and even double supercharge Sectech with current set but it’s gonna lead to either losing it or unholy shenanigans to do it next season, barring they make mechanical changes

[tribal blade]

how we operate with haste is cursed af

[warm marlin]

double on use for beloren

[swift tinsel]

Yep I hate it I hate it I hate it

[warm marlin]

puzzlebox and guidon double despair

[tribal blade]

oh actually? lol

[swift tinsel]

It should amplify the strength of our dance

Not duration

[warm marlin]

is like a 2% gain on sim

for me

[sacred jewel]

over what, gaze?

[swift tinsel]

So we can actually burst again

[warm marlin]

renown trinket bruh

we down bad

[tribal blade]

o damn

[sacred jewel]

lol i'd probably use the crucible

[sturdy mortar]

grats on Alleria

[warm marlin]

ty

[lucid jackal]

DOUBLE ON use cannot be correct on beleron bruh

The only damage that matters is egg damage

[warm marlin]

yeah we use both on egg

[lucid jackal]

Just use the crucible noob

[warm marlin]

pre puzzle

[lucid jackal]

Oh hell no

[sacred jewel]

but guidon has 20s cd when u do it

[tribal blade]

that's amazing

[warm marlin]

the burn is 30s

[swift tinsel]

Cursed tech cannot be banished from this spec

It’s foundational

[lucid jackal]

pbox is 20 seconds

[warm marlin]

pre puzzle into gate, blades where box covers both secteces

[lucid jackal]

trinket cd is 2 seconds

[tribal blade]

do you cast puzzle before the knock or after

[warm marlin]

then guidon after

[lucid jackal]

that just cant be correct I fear

[tribal blade]

must be before

[swift tinsel]

Can probs cast box so it ends right before knock

[warm marlin]

my sim like it

[sacred jewel]

active cds are 20s how are u getting both in

[lucid jackal]

sim is wrong

[warm marlin]

i dont make the rules bruh

its big gains!

[sacred jewel]

i did the math on my 1egg run, everybody needs like 163k dps on avg during egg phase

[tribal blade]

you can't, but since only egg dmg matters getting guidon for the last half with a solo dance must be worth

[sacred jewel]

the 40s fight?

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-garbage-pile-welcome-gif-5346947976611020031

[short radish]

Can you like.... not

[lucid jackal]

I just dont believe that

[remote rapids]

any particular tips or anything for Chimaerus mythic?

[lucid jackal]

just get a real trinket man

Stop trolling

[warm marlin]

we dont all have your vault luck, guy

[swift tinsel]

I’m telling my therapist about that sim

[lucid jackal]

I took a socket this week

Im unlucky

[tribal blade]

don't try to pad on adds that are walking towards boss and get people on the other side killed

[swift tinsel]

Because it needs to be dissected

[warm marlin]

#subtlety message

ive seen 2 total gazes drop across like 11 H/M chim kills

its just destiny atp

[lucid jackal]

LOL

[tribal blade]

our first m chim kill we got 1 and i won the roll

very lucky

[swift tinsel]

It’s like one of those pictures where the more you look at it, the more wrong it looks

[warm marlin]

I would play puzzle and DS but no haste

[remote rapids]

and running trickster cleave or ST for mythic Chimaerus?

[warm marlin]

you dont really need the bp damage can usually go st

[warm marlin]

lowkey i have 8 myth pieces on

my gear is insane minus trinket incident

[tribal blade]

i'm trying to help guildies understand the difference between 1% and 0.1%

they say stuff like this

[sacred jewel]

1% is like masters in league, good but quite low compared to the pinnacle

[tribal blade]

it's incredibly far off title

the numbers look so similar though so i get it

but

yeah

[swift tinsel]

we have folks who have never gotten 1% saying they want title this season

[tribal blade]

hahaha

i've been told that by many people

[swift tinsel]

"I'm already going for 3400"

[tribal blade]

they have no idea what they're in for

[swift tinsel]

yeah I told them rating is all free now but wait til A) ilvl increase from voidcores B) the last week before cutoff

[tribal blade]

the argument of keys are easy this season doesn't work either

because it's not just easy for you

it's easy for the top end

[swift tinsel]

yeah wait til the top end folks optimize

[tribal blade]

but not just that

no key is easy when it gets to title range

no such thing as a free key

[bleak night]

i'd argue it convincing people to want to try higher keys is a good thing, even if people are a bit misguided as to the actual difficulty lol

[swift tinsel]

yeah and its funny to hear the folks talking about it after knowing how they are mechanically in raid/keys

the 2-kicks-per-dungeon ones kill me

its gonna be a rude awakening lmao

[tribal blade]

yeah dying at every single instance of dmg because everything trucks

and being confused

or doing 0 dps

[lucid jackal]

I just wish rogue was OP man

[swift tinsel]

same

[lucid jackal]

Im so like, checked out being so mid

[tribal blade]

rogue should be OP in keys

if it's gonna be this bad in raid

[swift tinsel]

I'm seriously playing it as little as possible

raid log->8 +10's/12's->burn concentration on cauldron/potions

[tribal blade]

the argument of not wanting rogue to be OP in keys so we need to suck in raid is so stupid

[swift tinsel]

just

[tribal blade]

when we only bring dmg

[swift tinsel]

tune m+ and raid separate like they do with pve/pvp

it would be impossible

but hey

[tribal blade]

imagine if keys had a seperate aura

[swift tinsel]

if by some insane stroke of luck it worked

[tribal blade]

like instanced pvp

[swift tinsel]

it would be so so so so so sick

there's already hints of it

[warm marlin]

i cheated to radiance on paladins reclear after cloaking the toll and early ticks

when watching the vod back got asked why i didnt feint

[swift tinsel]

with stuff like tranq or atonement or w/e it is that heals more in 5mans

[warm marlin]

imagine me saying it doesnt work

[swift tinsel]

so they absolutely can tune separately

[tribal blade]

hahaaa

[warm marlin]

and i have nothing to stop that

[sacred jewel]

@warm marlin was your sim the 20s version?

[tribal blade]

oh actually, what does feint work on on paladins

anything?

i've been meaning to ask

[warm marlin]

no 30s

[warm marlin]

everything but radiance essentially

and the dodge stuff

[tribal blade]

gotcha ok

[warm marlin]

look at this mit chart bro

give me vers back

[tribal blade]

i lowkey miss vers

[short radish]

Vers my beloved

[tribal blade]

i would trade having vers back and not wanting haste

every day of the week

[swift tinsel]

same same same same

[tribal blade]

i think they need to just nuke vers

it's kinda bs

[swift tinsel]

breakpoints make gearing annoying

instead of exciting

[tribal blade]

either remove the DR from vers or nerf it by half again

[swift tinsel]

"now I get to shuffle my gems/enchants/consumes"

#BringBackMultiStrike

[sacred jewel]

howd u get 30s, is it with premium

[warm marlin]

dmed

[chrome palm]

my robot wants more than 1100 is it being silly

this is getting out of control

[swift tinsel]

blizz opened the door

[dusky yacht]

Idk man seems a li'l low, have you tried 1370?

[chrome palm]

im about to run pe or something man

[karmic harbor]

you just gave me a vietnam flashback

[dusky yacht]

Bring back killing spree and red buff but give it to sub

Fk it we ball

[frail kindle]

do adamantite sharpeniing stones still work

[ionic flint]

super super fast Q we only when in dance and super charged shadow strike for apex? when at max cp

[warm marlin]

if they dont i am sure using a lot of gold refreshing it every hour

[warm marlin]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[dusky yacht]

Can you use this on top of oils?

[warm marlin]

one on mh, oil on offhand

[deft moss]

cloud cover worth using now at all? lol

[warm marlin]

looks good in .5

[swift tinsel]

@tribal blade anotha one

[plush roost]

hows prog going sir

where is XD at

[graceful rock]

what is this pink bar

[chrome palm]

yeah our

[plush roost]

Im deciphering when to send second blades

[chrome palm]

healers gpu blew up

[plush roost]

OOF

[chrome palm]

._.

[plush roost]

rough bruv rough

[chrome palm]

in other news i switched which digit of my ilvl is an 8

[plush roost]

beeg

me 2!

[chrome palm]

LMAO

ok thats a bit higher than mine

4 weeks? in and no dagger yet

[plush roost]

Chest from beloran, helmet off first boss

2 sockets off vault XD

[chrome palm]

huge

[plush roost]

aura or?

[chrome palm]

HOLY

not even lura helm

with leech also

casual

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[warm marlin]

when i am freed from the shackles of this trinket...

[tribal blade]

there's no shot my sin set had 289 dagger in offhand and 285 in mainhand

i'm TROLLING

[arctic abyss]

r

[dusky yacht]

Finally got my gundam, absolutely fk that boss btw

[dusky yacht]

Holy shit nice

[queen egret]

my myth tier chest rolled fkin indestructible instead of a tert

[dusky yacht]

Indestructible mainhand dagger is bis prove me wrong

[buoyant shale]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[crystal atlas]

So i got a second Voracius dagger is it worth doing a dfferent craft than dagger?

Also got BOE boots

[buoyant shale]

Is there a way to make this macro use shadowstrike instead of backstab when it's available?

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:ctrl] Backstab; Shuriken Storm

[sacred jewel]

@buoyant shale don't think so. can't u just use a the regular backstab/shadowstrike macro on ctrl+hotkey, and shuriken storm on the regular hotkey?
you're trying to save 1 abillity on ur hotbar thats it

[odd sandal]

Just put it on the stealthbar

[tribal blade]

holy fucking shit inky black potion makes paladins so much better

how did i not know about this

[still vector]

what flask am i using in dungeon?

i got 900 haste

[brisk onyx]

wdym

[tribal blade]

found this pov

[brisk onyx]

Nice I’ll try it when I left bench

[lucid jackal]

get les haste

[frail kindle]

this lura fight is a banger

[tribal blade]

it's crazy different

this is an actual cheat code holy

[dusky yacht]

Wtf

Bro just solved one of life's biggest problems

[tribal blade]

the main thing is it gives contrast between hammer/shields and the floor

which is the hardest part of the fight

[dusky yacht]

Imagine being able to see the shit flying at you

[tribal blade]

imagine

btw can they reduce the energy cost of CT

this button feels like ass to push

[still vector]

with oil i have 751 Haste / 721 Crit / 798 Mast

im simming

[oblique kindle]

hey gents thanks for the help this week, got my shit back on track and getting some solid parses again

[dusky yacht]

What's the Apex talent AA optimisation command again

I'm teaching a guy

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[dusky yacht]

Aha nvm

[still vector]

thatll be $1

[short radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1474127774640771243/1491412627866259606/20260408-1218-20_online-video-cutter.com.gif

What about this pov

[tribal blade]

JESUS CHRIST

TF IS THAT

[short radish]

Hunter doing hunter things

[tribal blade]

lol fucking hunters

[dusky yacht]

Best I can do is fiddy cent

https://giphy.com/gifs/fiftycent-50-cent-fifty-in-da-club-XGsuiKWTFKZ9Trh6ta

Here you go sir

[vale nebula]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[dry flame]

Yo, we stealthed another class tuning patch?

[cursive oar]

do i need 700 haste in mythic?

[tribal blade]

as is tradition

[dusky yacht]

Sorry bro I accidentally shrouded

My bad..

[dusky yacht]

Always.

[ionic python]

The aa optimization on high mob count >5 is still done with ss instead of fok?

[dusky yacht]

Attack fast like cook (像厨师一样快速出击) Slice that cucumber skillfully (熟练地切黄瓜) B-tier but top dps (B级但输出顶级) We are Dogue (我们是道格)

[solemn hedge]

I finally got brought back for a reclear after sitting on the bench forever because I'm playing a Rogue. I’ve been pretty checked out of WoW lately dealing with some personal stuff, so I’ve only been able to hop on occasionally.

Honestly, the reclear was a total disaster for me. I've got the Mythic Saladbar log here as an example. I already know my trinket timing was complete garbage, and getting the circle mechanic as a melee definitely didn't help, but I feel like I must be messing up something fundamental. Any ideas? Currently a little overwhelmed because i have to watch my cooldowns more than i am used to.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GbQAfgv3RJPNWhaH?fight=23&type=damage-done&source=139

If anyone has the time to look at my log and give me honest feedback, that would be great

[dusky yacht]

Use Shuriken Storm then

SS turns into Shuriken Storm (or backstab) in AoE situations

So whenever anyone explains anything, if it's 3 or more targets, assume that.

[hearty mural]

!sim

sim!

fck

idk what options to use when simming dungeon slice or patchwerk

[dusky yacht]

I personally use patchwerk mainly, you can try dungeon slice stuff but idk it's weird to me

Options are basically like

Buffed/unbuffed explains itself

[hearty mural]

ok ty

[dusky yacht]

You can use weekly or whatever if you prefer like I don't think it matters that much

[keen steppe]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kKzYDZf1PF38pV9X?fight=27&type=damage-done

[solemn hedge]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GbQAfgv3RJPNWhaH?fight=23&type=damage-done&source=139&view=timeline

[spice matrix]

How bad do we think cloud cover is going to obscure floor mechanics

[dry flame]

Ngl, yesterday's vault crushed me a bit.
Came from work, tried to reclear myth chin for like 10 pulls and logged off

[dry flame]

[dusky yacht]

Don't hate me bro but..

[dry flame]

No I saw, I was logging for you

I have it too, but playing mostly Assa atm

[dusky yacht]

Ah I see

Yeah you do keys mostly makes sense

Idk I still haven't gotten my ring tho

Also I checked my total xenas runs this season

Like mythic+ timed runs

36 now.

No ring.

https://giphy.com/gifs/excited-pikachu-U2nN0ridM4lXy

[dry flame]

[dusky yacht]

I was explaining to a new rogue player how the catalyst system works while in xenas and was at 121k dps, 1k below the 1st player

I've reached this level of xenas gameplay

I am the king of xenas

Won't be long before I can name the abilities

Before I can place a mark and show you their range

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-hangover-dumpster-raccoon-hangover-raccoon-dumpster-gif-27078478

Get me out of this place please

[fluid lintel]

If I don't time this seat

I'm gonna go jump

[keen steppe]

You will get this

[fluid lintel]

For my sanity

it has to be timed

[harsh lotus]

Hey team, without 4pc do we just send dances back to back with shadow blades?

[dusky yacht]

I'm pretty sure you do since first one should come back up with sectec

[south pelican]

how to get stat weights sim to stop showing i need more haste @ 700?

[dry flame]

Only during lust afaik

[harsh lotus]

Nah sectech isn’t ready for second dance without blades buff duration from 4pc, I think?

[dry flame]

But honestly, without 4s it won't make the biggest difference

[dusky yacht]

First dance you used

Comes back up with sectec

You will have a charge again

And if so, why not send both in a row in one blades?

[harsh lotus]

Isn’t sectech cd 30sec?

[dry flame]

Lowered by haste

[harsh lotus]

Yeah so second use of sec tech won’t be ready within blades (12sec)

Unless I’m looking at this all wrong

[dusky yacht]

Broooo

[dusky yacht]

.

Send dances

Back to back

With shadowblades

Is your question

My answer is

Yes because you will have dance back up with sectec after

The point is not that sectec won't be used twice in your blades

[dry flame]

Yep, you just second ST with 3rd dance

[dusky yacht]

And 3rd dance will up at around same time as ST

[harsh lotus]

Outside of blades, got it

[dusky yacht]

Because it has 2 charges and one recharges the moment you start the whole blades thing

[dry flame]

For now focus on covering your blades with dance and only ST on supercharged points in dance

Once you get 4set and/or Guidon, worry about details

[harsh lotus]

Someone here mentioned delaying second dance within blades a few seconds with 4pc so ST would be up but it doesn’t even sound doable.

[dusky yacht]

This is not only with 4pc

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[dry flame]

^

[timid rose]

How long do you need to delay after guidon?

[dusky yacht]

"Up to" 1 second.

So basically ~= 1sec

[harsh lotus]

Cheers all, makes sense

[dusky yacht]

Basically

I start with putting down guidon

Then I do shadow blades

Small pause and I send sectec dance macro and spam tf out of ss evis

[fluid lintel]

LMAO

[dusky yacht]

L'ura

Wait what

[fluid lintel]

it's a brick

like all the rest

[dusky yacht]

... What is this actually telling me, you're on first boss?

[fluid lintel]

going to secon'

dI stg

I can't play sub