I'm using small fist wep brass knuckle things with Mark of the Shadowmoon enchant to look like I have purple magic fists
#subtlety
warm marlin
ye that's the one
swift tinsel
it has the broken/shattered blade look which is cool
lucid jackal
I do genuinely think rogue is good in March
shrewd lantern
i dont like non dagger animations for sub
though its not as bad as sword animations on sin
swift tinsel
I need to get to do more March, we've only done one normal clear while we wrap up voidspire
warm marlin
I do genuinely think rogue is good in March
it seems fine
swift tinsel
for chim only afaik
warm marlin
guess ill see next reset
warm marlin
did hof close
there are only like 120 crown kills
gonna be a good amount of hof ones
shrewd lantern
isnt it top 100
warm marlin
no 200
shrewd lantern
o
keen dome
for chim only afaik
Yeah, just Chim
keen dome
Yeah, it wasn't a bad title
lucid jackal
it seems fine
Unironically "fine" is good because atro is genuinely a good raid buff
shrewd lantern
nice that gaze is strong for how early a boss chim is
keen dome
It's great for pugging, too.
'Cos you can get 2 strong trinkets without lockout issues
warm marlin
Unironically "fine" is good because atro is genuinely a good raid buff
i thought we'd moved past the ragebaiting stage
lucid jackal
Bro I'm srs
When rogue is "fine" atro is good
When rogue is complete dogshit ass like on last 2 voidspire, atro is bad
warm marlin
can only be applied to one boss in p3 lura
lucid jackal
Don't care
warm marlin
gapped by devo aura yet again
warm marlin
verbal hedge
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like 
WoWhead or 
Icy Veins.
swift tinsel
swift tinsel
lol saw those with the most recent buffs
fading saffron
wdym? we got our 1%
dry flame
one rework and new roles please, we'll never get solved
lucid jackal
LMFAOOO what even was that context
shrewd lantern
who is “we”
swift tinsel
LMFAOOO what even was that context
I'm 99% sure it was you blasting people for dooming about something lol
lucid jackal
Oh yeah for sure
I feel like
That was in undermine
When ppl were very upset sin was getting buffed and not sub
swift tinsel
from Oct of last year
keen dome
It could've been at multiple points of TWW.
swift tinsel
so a bit of an oldie
keen dome
You'll never find me dooming unless you do then it wasn't me.
warm marlin
When ppl were very upset sin was getting buffed and not sub
how are you/gn feeling about these hot fresh lura nerfs
dry flame
It could've been at multiple points of TWW.
as someone who took a break from TWW, honestly, you could put that at amost any expansion at different points xD
warm marlin
some of them seem a little heavy handed
lucid jackal
how are you/gn feeling about these hot fresh lura nerfs
Only nerf that really matters is the HP
But the HP nerf is huge
narrow comet
What's considered a decent single Target dps for sub right now in a raid
toxic igloo
Hi all. I'm more of an Outlaw guy... but for aoe in m+, is it like spam shruiken form and then black powder?
lucid jackal
an entire reset + 3% buff + vantus + lol
warm marlin
yeah i just mean it's a little sad to see mechanic nerfs
like why does she not do memory game ccw now
was that genuinely a common wipe condition
our guild would probably wipe forever to that iteration of terminate though 
lucid jackal
Its like
Idk if u remember queen but its like
an HP nerf just makes fights so easy
Cuz like
Ur gonna be dealing so much more damage
lucid jackal
and "scary overlaps" some of the end of fight, scary overlaps just dont happen
warm marlin
Ye hp nerf is big I just usually don’t like big mechanic nerfs
lucid jackal
Idrk if this fight specifically did have crazy overlaps at the end but
azure mauve
When rogue is "fine" atro is good
atro is garbage regardless of rogue tuning
lucid jackal
Cope
azure mauve
bro we are not healers who the fucks wants to provide a 3.6 dr
give me some offensive buffs
that i can proivde the raid
not some devo shit
lucid jackal
Atro has been the main reason every raid has been a 1 of rogue since its inception
azure mauve
i know
fading saffron
a true non-roguer 
honest isle
Has someone found a CDM addon that lets the user color each combo point separately?
strange chasm
Only nerf that really matters is the HP
I think the HP nerf removes maybe 10-20 pulls. The other nerfs is like 100 pulls. Goes from a 500 pull boss to maybe 200-300 now
Still pretty insane
fading saffron
Has someone found a CDM addon that lets the user color each combo point separate...
this is all i got - not sure if ur looking for more
open moss
Are those a thing or no?^^
honest isle
this is all i got - not sure if ur looking for more
I've usually been coloring 4-7, but that's a start. Which addon is that?
fading saffron
I've usually been coloring 4-7, but that's a start. Which addon is that?
Twintop's Resource Bar - it lets you edit the colors per point too it looks like
hushed pollen
maybe dumb question, saw some POVs where the Keybind of Backstab just changes to Shadowstrike, is that a stealth bar thing or am i missing something? im using a macro atm to have both as one keybind but theres always a delay when shadow dance is running out
fading saffron
I just use a stealthbar
The only 2in1 macro I know of is the Powder/Coup macro
but, you can use:
#showtooltip Shadowstrike
/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike; Backstab
open moss
!stats
wicked joltBOT
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Mastery >= `Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700)` > `Critical Strike` > Versatility
hushed pollen
but, you can use:
#showtooltip Shadowstrike
/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike; Ba...
thats what ive been using but i feel like i use a gcd with that macro when shadow dance is about to run out
fading saffron
thats what ive been using but i feel like i use a gcd with that macro when shado...
i found the same thing, so i just use the stealthbar and set up basically a "mirror" of my non stealth bar - havnt noticed it since
hushed pollen
based, gonna try that
fading saffron
exotic steeple
swift tinsel
you mean the jellyfish?
outer orchid
does the BC sharpening stone affect sub like it does sin?
or is it better to just use oil MH still
vagrant fossil
Also works on sub
outer orchid
chrome palm
i forgot about bubbling wax, do you know if its still good
open moss
around 18 % Haste should be a breakpoints right .. i see alot of ppl go with like 12 or 15 % haste..
did i miss sth?
west tide
open moss
what
swift tinsel
aim for 650-700
can get it with mana oil/flask/gems
can usually lean on flask if you just can't get haste gear to drop
lilac stag
around 18 % Haste should be a breakpoints right .. i see alot of ppl go with lik...
Percents don’t matter
open moss
iam rn on 602 haste without everything. I thought to craft boots with crit haste to hit
lilac stag
or just use a flask and oils
open moss
but then i dont know what to craft ^^
swift tinsel
for like a 1% gain
lilac stag
but then i dont know what to craft ^^
Something with crit and mastery.
why is this so difficult to understand for soooooooo many
open moss
thought the 650-700 should be like just gearwise without flask etc
swift tinsel
by any means necessary
gear, oil, flask, gems
procs or on-use effects don't count towards that range
outer orchid
how many people are actually running deathstalker as opposed to trickster? seems like very few and it doesnt seem like enough of a dps increase to warrant the extra precautionary playstyle
lilac stag
No. You need a raw number between 684-700 from gear, weapon oils, gems, enchants and flask.
Nothing else matters
hazy breach
i forgot about bubbling wax, do you know if its still good
Njet
swift tinsel
I pretty much stopped simming gear and just look at my total haste and see if I can still hit the range by shifting gems/flask
with respect to ilvl if its close to the range
sonic depot
weird question but anyone know of an addon that lets you change the red overlay when youre out of range on the cdm? like instead of the whole icon going red add a dot instead like the actionbars
open moss
No. You need a raw number between 684-700 from gear, weapon oils, gems, enchants...
Thanks for the answer ;)
honest basin
surely that isn't real, is it?
vale pine
it is
the scaling on the stones was not adjusted
or well they can still be used
which is why some classes use them for a little extra damage
blizz basically set themselves up for shananigans like this with level and stat squishes
eternal abyss
@hazy breach Sent a DM as instructed 😁
open moss
we talking about right?
honest basin
well sharpening stone for daggers
open moss
yeah
woeful rain
does rogue poison work on crown mythic?
opal shadow
am i hearing adamantite sharp stones > Thalassian Oil?
hazy breach
In mainhand yes
(its not that big of an increase, and can get fixed at any time, but who the fuck knows when that is)
fringe geyser
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
opal shadow
eleem, whis, solo theorycrafat gods - love you guys
limber folio
does rogue poison work on crown mythic?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vc6BQCVbwKDGpMzd?fight=15&type=healing&options=49156 did like 11m on my kill
vale pine
maybe once we get higher item levels
limber folio
vale pine
we sadly don't rly want vers anymore
still vector
we sadly don't rly want vers anymore
Thank God I did splits because I straight up didn't listen and send my main to 32% verse.
open moss
do i get punished by the rogue gods if i craft sth with crit/haste ?^^ If my math isnt wrong the craft should fit perfect with my gear
swift tinsel
Nah that’s fine
If it puts you in the range you wanna be in
Can go crit or mastery/haste
manic ice
is this weightstone just a sub thing or would it be the same for assassin
azure thicket
yeah crit and mastery are both important this season
open moss
Thanks for the answers
azure thicket
but next week you might wanna lose some haste etc
fair phoenix
we sadly don't rly want vers anymore
the gear on !fuu for sub is updated?
for dgs
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
violet palm
eleem, whis, solo theorycrafat gods - love you guys
You forgot the one and only @ fuu
hazy breach
Improving
dusky yacht
fading saffron
improvement
calm cape
Hi, is this accurate for a guide ?
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/trinkets/castingpatchwerk
last link is SUB
hazy breach
It is accurate for what trinket is the best if you only have one trinket yes
sharp lake
Is anyone actually using Ranger Captain’s
hazy breach
Its fine, but i wouldnt really recommend it
sharp lake
I tried it awhile back but it was really annoying as a second on use
hazy breach
Yeah and unless you have it on mythic it doesnt even sim better than the crucible
lilac stag
Used it for crest discount. 
fleet acorn
where all the chinese funny messages cant find them
hoary orchid
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
shrewd lantern
where all the chinese funny messages cant find them
Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)
lilac stag
subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低)
get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速)
perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要)
robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)
dusky yacht
Manifest guidon (龍花山海風)
Parse powerfully (電火空星月)
Bring pride to raidleader (虎雲雷川森)
Spread genetic information (夢雪天光石)
chrome palm
progression of wind chime struggle 风铃之战的演变 inferior parse against phoenix 针对凤凰的厄运 the man with the crafted sword 那个手持打造的一手剑的男人
tulip viper
any reason my sim is saying haste/crit gems past 700 haste when raid buffed
hazy breach
Is it getting like 850 or so
candid pebble
am i high ? why people are using CN char ?
tulip viper
no, im at 724 (20%) with oils on
sim doesnt appear to count the oil
i get 32 haste from oil
724 without raid buffs, just gear and oil
700 is the reported breakpoint
32 haste from gems, and 32 from oil included in that
short radish
!haste
wicked joltBOT
Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.
short radish
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earnest cedar
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
crystal comet
Just as an aside, I love how shit is available via this bot. Whoever set it up, you're doin a bang up job
short radish
do you guys use double Acuity of Ren'dorei on weapons?
pine viper
sim is dogshit
short radish
it tries its best and we mortals cannot understand its workings
pine viper
I didn't ask which is better I wanted public opinion
hazy breach
Sim is dogshit so i would rather hear what other people have simmed
torn tide
is it bad that i only get near 700 haste after pot?
just using flask of the blood knights everytime it runs out
short radish
im gonna use 1x acuity 1x arcane mastery though later though
short radish
is it bad that i only get near 700 haste after pot?
not really
it is what it is
because think of it this way
torn tide
cool
short radish
assuming you are at the same ilvl with your current gear
pine viper
Sim is dogshit so i would rather hear what other people have simmed <:garf_sit:1...
other people who have played both
short radish
all it really is, is just swapping your stats around
if you have the 150 haste or w/e it is from flask and 150 more mastery on gear
or you have 150 less mastery on gear and 150 more haste so you pop the mastery flask
your stats haven't changed
short radish
np
swift tinsel
All of it is just propaganda by Big Sim to get you to pay for Raidbots Premium
short radish
All of it is just propaganda by Big Sim to get you to pay for Raidbots Premium
who have colluded with BIG ENCHANTS to get you reenchant things every time you acquire a piece of gear
wake up sheeples
cant you see it's all a scam
fair phoenix
what u guys think about stats
random mason
No fun numbers in there
lilac stag
subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)
random mason
Wtf is the orange gem? Stamina?
lilac stag
Crit
lilac stag
and I’m the visually impaired one
fair phoenix
subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)
swift tinsel
who have colluded with BIG ENCHANTS to get you reenchant things every time you a...
It’s a whole racketeering bit with Big Gem too
pine viper
robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids
tulip viper
any reason to ever be over 700 haste as trickster, fully buffed?
Didnt really answer why SIM is saying gem for haste/crit when im over 700
pine viper
haste is mainly for getting more casts off during shadow dance
700+ gives you more breathing room
in case of fuckups
lilac stag
Didnt really answer why SIM is saying gem for haste/crit when im over 700
Show sim
somber vortex
does tricker's tricks of the trade interfere with tank swap mechanics for the hour duration its on a tank?
strong crypt
is the adamantite stone really better for us atm?
dusky yacht
what u guys think about stats
strong crypt
adamantite just on mainhand ?
torn tide
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487567692931010621/pu...
a "use" trinket is bad enough but one that makes me wait for a cast time is crossing the line
swift tinsel
Guidon basically has a cast time too
tidal solstice
use it with shadowstrike and it doesnt
tidal solstice
swift tinsel
use it with shadowstrike and it doesnt
can only really do that in opener
jade oasis
Guidon basically has a cast time too <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
arent u forced to sit still for puzzle box
swift tinsel
arent u forced to sit still for puzzle box
yep
tidal solstice
a whole 2 seconds
swift tinsel
guidon doesnt do that
you still have to wait one second after using guidon to use dance
swift tinsel
Psede confirmed puzzle box apologist
jade oasis
you still have to wait one second after using guidon to use dance
yeah but
tidal solstice
negative
jade oasis
thats like negligible compared to a whole 2 second CAST
lilac stag
50%. Very negligible.
swift tinsel
that's why I said basically, not literally
jade oasis
sub 5 dungeon trinket vs chad raid trinkets
lilac stag
that's why I said basically, not literally
Trying to talk sense in here while sub is remotely decent in m+. Good luck.
jade oasis
50%. Very negligible. <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
ok but u can move with guidon and its half the time, a whole second is a lot of time especially when ur forced to sit still
tidal solstice
well, i mean
lilac stag
ok but u can move with guidon and its half the time, a whole second is a lot of ...
Sounds like a zoomer problem
I can in fact not move for 2 seconds
lilac stag
Play outlaw. No need for either trinket.
shrewd lantern
people complain
jade oasis
i do
sweet moss
is it normal to fit a second sectech in first shadow blades window duringlust without guidon
vestal relic
but the thing if you dont stop ad spam
swift tinsel
I see blizz is adding tuning for 12.0.5 still
jade oasis
is it normal to fit a second sectech in first shadow blades window duringlust wi...
yes
vestal relic
it becomes alot worse than just one shadowstrike
swift tinsel
we shall see none of that
sweet moss
yes
okay nice, and without lust u just send 2nd dance during shadow blades without sectech
swift tinsel
idk I like when there's a raid and m+ trinket that are within a couple tenths of a percent of each other
sweet moss
no guidon^^
jade oasis
i dont know i lowkey got guidon before 4 set
swift tinsel
then I don't feel completely cucked if I don't get the raid one
sweet moss
how u know answer to other question hahaha
swift tinsel
difference of opinion
jade oasis
how u know answer to other question hahaha
i asked the same question way back
swift tinsel
I like having the option
jade oasis
like week 1
sweet moss
okay nice, and without lust u just send 2nd dance during shadow blades without s...
anyone
lilac stag
M+ is the puzzle box 2 sec cast
shrewd lantern
yeah you press it while tank gatheres
though anyone playing rogue above vault keys
has issues
swift tinsel
alright lets see if my rat 253 aug can get into a/4 +10's for vault
lilac stag
rogue is a joke
shrewd lantern
always has been
wicked joltBOT
Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
sweet moss
i’m on about no guidon
lilac stag
have you tried getting guidon?
sweet moss
yes
shrewd lantern
you send b!2b
lilac stag
Normal is there.
sweet moss
and normal
shrewd lantern
though idk
lilac stag
Guess you’re not really trying
shrewd lantern
i need a rework bad
sweet moss
i have lfr trink
short radish
this iteration of sub
its amazing how they can take probably the best iteration of sub and completely fuck it up
lucid jackal
this sub mega chill idk
sweet moss
swear it feels kinda nice to play just bit too simple
outer orchid
too lazy to look gonna ask here anyways LOL
does guidon stack with BL haste? not like i'm going to use it outside of blades window anyways but jw
swift tinsel
people
sweet moss
ye i agree it’s chill
swift tinsel
that kick you from group after you use your port
lilac stag
It’s a vibe in raid. I like it.
swift tinsel
should be shot
lilac stag
Wish it had cleave
sweet moss
just buff us chat
short radish
just give us back tww nimble flurry
swift tinsel
I miss the burst cleave niche a lot
outer orchid
bring back DF sub with flagellation
short radish
yeah the lack of flexibility sucks donkey
swift tinsel
I liked having a job that isn't just "cloak this"
like powering through a NK platform or Araz add set
made me feel special
lilac stag
WHat do you need to flex in the raid?
lucid jackal
tuning and gameplay r diff things
swift tinsel
I honestly don't know what I would do to improve gameplay from a global-to-global perspective
I think part one would be adding maybe another, slight-cd builder
lilac stag
Line your shit up on whatever needs to die. Sblades being meh gives you some flexibility
swift tinsel
(that isn't goremaws)
swift tinsel
tuning and gameplay r diff things
genuine question, what do you feel rogue/sub's niche is in Midnight?
short radish
also amp damage phase on p1 alleria
shrewd lantern
genuine question, what do you feel rogue/sub's niche is in Midnight?
being on the bench
outer orchid
i know m dreamrift is kind of a joke now but which group does sub prefer to be in? i would think 2nd for big pad?
short radish
idk it's a "we used to have it and i miss it"
lucid jackal
genuine question, what do you feel rogue/sub's niche is in Midnight?
Nothing rn cuz rogue is undertuned
ROgue is like, okay ST, and a raid buff
thats abt it
swift tinsel
Tuning aside, how would you improve gameplay?
short radish
genuine question, what do you feel rogue/sub's niche is in Midnight?
quick 1 second condensed burst damage
shrewd lantern
it feels bad to have forced movemnt
lilac stag
You’re playing assa on paladins, bench on crown.
lucid jackal
Tuning aside, how would you improve gameplay?
I dont feel like the gameplay needs fixing
I think current sub is fun
short radish
You’re playing assa on paladins, bench on crown.
so? it's still good to have
and part of the benching/not play can be attritubed to our lack of everything
lilac stag
That’s tuning, not 20 seconds CDs that people refuse to move on prog
lucid jackal
idt having rupture, or flag, or goremaws would enhance my fun
swift tinsel
agreed
short radish
flexibility is also nice to have in m+
lilac stag
you do?
swift tinsel
I would much rather have this iteration than one with rupture. sod, flag, goremaws
opal basalt
idt having rupture, or flag, or goremaws would enhance my fun
I think the strength of flag built into blades would be dope
outer orchid
nymue sub was fun to me but maybe i'm just autistic
lilac stag
Hold Sblades for a full use. Send Sectech as often as possible, unless dance going to outlast pack.
literally 20 second cd spec. Use as often as you can when it mashes sense.
swift tinsel
idk I would personally like an additional builder or effect into Dance so its not just strike->evisc for every global that isn't sectech
I find that loop a bit droll
lucid jackal
I think the strength of flag built into blades would be dope
Thats just tuning right
Which I would agree, rogue should do more dmg
opal basalt
Thats just tuning right
Yeah yeah 100%
tidal solstice
i feel like coup de grace is precisely the fun factor i wanted
lilac stag
You rather sit on a 40 second dance for flexibility?
swift tinsel
I think mechanically I would re-add evisc and strike back into nimble
opal basalt
But it’s not the same as before
short radish
You rather sit on a 40 second dance for flexibility?
yes
swift tinsel
so we aren't doodoobutt on low target cleave
like imagine Precise Cuts on nimble
holy
opal basalt
I played myth vorasius for the first time today and idk if I prefer sub or assa on it tbh. Feel like timings are cooler for a 90s spec
short radish
Bullshit
if i wanted to mongo bongo send everything off cooldown i'd play basically any other spec in the game
like my ret paladin
quaint lodge
and fimbul plays a good ret paladin
short radish
😎
swift tinsel
I've given both sin and outlaw a try in raid and in +10's and its rough
I can't really get behind either from a gameplay/fun perspective
opal basalt
I REAALLY enjoy sin rn in keys
short radish
there was a fun element of planning around sending omega burst by sandbagging auto attacking
lots of people probably didnt like that/ignored it
opal basalt
And when I tunnel boss too
fleet wharf
if i wanted to mongo bongo send everything off cooldown i'd play basically any o...
I just finished leveling devourer and holy shit, it's so much more fun
swift tinsel
idk maybe if I start doing 15's and up
but I really really don't like new CT in larger pulls
opal basalt
Nah even in my weeklies
quaint lodge
Sin is def one of those classes that feels worse in lower keys
short radish
but i enjoyed being afk on saladbar for 30 seconds before the amp
swift tinsel
I just really dislike bleed spread 2 at a time vs old IC
when CT costs what it does
lilac stag
if i wanted to mongo bongo send everything off cooldown i'd play basically any o...
You’re still plsying 40 second dance with mongo bingo on CD. Now you’re just dealing with longer and slower storm to BP with no energy regen.
swift tinsel
new CT is nice on low target bc you get coverage in one or two casts
short radish
You’re still plsying 40 second dance with mongo bingo on CD. Now you’re just dea...
well yes that's my point, it's mongo bongo dance every 20 seconds basically
short radish
i have no choice
swift tinsel
it becomes really gated by energy
lilac stag
well yes that's my point, it's mongo bongo dance every 20 seconds basically
And it’ll be every 40 seconds with less flexibility. Just worse dps between dances
swift tinsel
also I really really really dislike Implacable being a roadblock and having literally zero value if you have a ton of energy influx while at max stacks
bc you get 0 benefit from it for a very long time
short radish
Sin is def one of those classes that feels worse in lower keys
im probably gonna swap sin for high keys if i p*sh on rogue
swift tinsel
and 5 sec of benefit
opal basalt
it becomes really gated by energy
Yeah I’ve felt that. Though my biggest problem is balls to the walls tanks just ignoring my need to maybe restealth tbf
short radish
And it’ll be every 40 seconds with less flexibility. Just worse dps between danc...
idk put a charge on sectech or put sectech only castable in dance
and things change
quaint lodge
im probably gonna swap sin for high keys if i p*sh on rogue
r*gue
swift tinsel
idk I never really feel like I need to stealth
quaint lodge
lets not say slurs in here...
lilac stag
That’s not what we’re talking about
short radish
short radish
That’s not what we’re talking about
thats akin to the flexibility we had before
short radish
which is entirely what im talking about
opal basalt
idk I never really feel like I need to stealth
The garrote from stealth is huuuge damage, like if you don’t get that on a new pack it’s huge loss
swift tinsel
ig, I usually just lean on vanish
kind fern
if my top gear sim puts me around 22% haste, should i manually get down as close to 700 as possible or just put my faith in the computers
outer orchid
ig, I usually just lean on vanish
only works if your tank is properly chain pulling
short radish
restealthing this tier feels like such a non issue witih amount of downtime
outer orchid
otherwise you NEED restealth on sin
short radish
so many dungeons give you restealth
opal basalt
To be honest I probably only enjoy sin rn because I’m new to it. And don’t have the bias with how much I liked pre-midnight sub.
outer orchid
ye
swift tinsel
idk if I've ever really had a tank continuously pull to the point where I felt I wasn't able to get imp garrote value
short radish
otherwise you NEED restealth on sin
don't let wh*spyr hear you say that
lilac stag
thats akin to the flexibility we had before
We didn’t have flexibility last season in keys. Every hold eventually cost you dps as you’d eventually miss a blades or dance cast
outer orchid
don't let wh*spyr hear you say that
no snitching
swift tinsel
using stars to bypass language filter smh
quaint lodge
if my top gear sim puts me around 22% haste, should i manually get down as close...
Its just whats occuring with your gear ath THAT moment, so I'd trust it until you get better gear
lilac stag
This spec in keys has been send early and send often for quite some time
short radish
if my top gear sim puts me around 22% haste, should i manually get down as close...
get 700 haste and then acquire mast/crit
22% haste sounds high tbh
outer orchid
maybe i'm just stupid but how are you guys seeing the secondary stats the sim is putting you at with topgear?
swift tinsel
idk I just count manually
outer orchid
lilac stag
Run a quick sim and look at html report
opal basalt
After getting the dagger off vorasius today (yay myth weapon) I need to look at gear again. Sim puts me at like 680 haste with consumes
Need to see if that’s playable
lilac stag
subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)
outer orchid
Run a quick sim and look at html report
i'll have to remember to do that next time i sim
ty
lilac stag
Hit the … on the right of the line with gear changes
jade oasis
doing my weekly 10s for vault is so fun
i get so many compliments
then i run keys for score with my group
and im just a super chud in comparison to my dev
oblique kindle
hey how long after using guidon do i need to wait to use shadow dance?
strong crypt
1s
lilac stag
Up to 1 second
oblique kindle
LMAO yea i already been dealing with that lol
short radish
cursed season for trinkets
short radish
jump 3 times
oblique kindle
move up and left
short radish
pretty sure im mentally conditioned at this point
the season after that trinket
or 2 seasons
mate in VC said "jump 3 times"
and i jumped
twice.
quaint lodge
crying
short radish
before realising
quaint lodge
u shouldve downloaded the spanish woman saying it in ur ear
that weakaura was great~!
short radish
quaint lodge
fimbul come do 16 seat w me
short radish
im working T_T
quaint lodge
oblique kindle
1 more silly question
oblique kindle
sry key
short radish
shrewd lantern
fimbul my favorite ret main
short radish
acutally you know what's probably the most cursed timeline thats gonna happen?
i'm probably playing hpal
if i push keys
vestal relic
wtf
short radish
just fuck my chungus life
vestal relic
why
short radish
because im a brain dead monkey
vestal relic
ho ok
swift tinsel
holy shock go brrr
short radish
that doesnt want to play druid
tl;dr rogue shit so was thinking of playing paladin
but then our group has no one that wants to heal
so its either i tank on paladin
oblique kindle
ok, is it better to consume coup de grace with evisc or secret technique
short radish
or heal on paladin
vestal relic
damn
swift tinsel
ok, is it better to consume coup de grace with evisc or secret technique
evisc becomes coup
so you can only consume with evisc
oblique kindle
or is this black aura on my sides not even what I think it is and im just big stupid
swift tinsel
that's from your apex talent
short radish
or is this black aura on my sides not even what I think it is and im just big st...
big stupid
oblique kindle
lmao damn big stupid indeed
swift tinsel
womp womp
short radish
side is apex
coup is evis
oblique kindle
i have a rule to always go big, even if its stupid
short radish
consuming apex with sectech or coup/evis is the same
oblique kindle
so mission accomplished
oblique kindle
exactly
oblique kindle
jesus christ
the more I read this the more im like, how bad are these others that im still getting purples doing this all wrong
fair stump
Are you guys running potent powder on paladins?
short radish
the more I read this the more im like, how bad are these others that im still ge...
people complain sub is a simple 2 button spec
oblique kindle
haha
oblique kindle
hey i never complained about that
oblique kindle
but yea I feel ya, this stuff should be easy to incorporate
short radish
Are you guys running potent powder on paladins?
yeah but also just play sin
lilac stag
i have a rule to always go big, even if its stupid
Fimbulvtr does that with spreading misinformation
oblique kindle
looking at logs I see im doing double eviscerates all the time, whereas people doing good damage are rocking it back and forth with strike and evisc
short radish
lilac stag
looking at logs I see im doing double eviscerates all the time, whereas people d...
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
oblique kindle
yea thats really weird
lilac stag
How is a checklist weird?
lilac stag
what time we back
14.1.5
short radish
**Apex talent optimization**:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Ye...
am i gaslamping myself or did these ticks use to be green?
oblique kindle
yea Ive been really feelycrafting my way through this expac, i reckon its time to get my big boy britches on and do science
short radish
tbh
just read the faq
read the guide
read the optimisation
and everything kinda just falls in place
lilac stag
subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)
short radish
sub is a relatively simple spec
afterwards you can do some minor min maxxing by saving cds for adds
but thats about it
oblique kindle
yea
2 targets black powder got me really despressed
cuz we killed dragons this week lmao
drowsy solar
during the opener, on the second shadow dance is it worth it to cast 2 shadow strikes back to back to get apex proc to send the secret teq?
lilac stag
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
drowsy solar
Thx
pseudo fiber
guys, im abit confuse about SD usage inside SB window. do we use it back to back or only when ST is up?
lucid jackal
guys, im abit confuse about SD usage inside SB window. do we use it back to back...
Blades, but yes
Use first with blades on start
use 2nd last 8 seconds of blades
pseudo fiber
but i wont get supercharged st then, no?
lucid jackal
thats fine
dusky yacht
That's okay in this case
pseudo fiber
hmmkay
pseudo fiber
ty 🙂 ill try that
dusky yacht
ty 🙂 ill try that
The macro is really good for it
pseudo fiber
btw, is it worth picking veiltouched > finality?
dusky yacht
You can just #showtooltip Secret Technique with the icon of Sectec, use " " (space) for the name and it will look just like sectec
indigo breach
**Apex talent optimization**:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Ye...
Does this only happen during second SD during SB? Aren’t supercharged cp always consumed by ST otherwise?
dusky yacht
btw, is it worth picking veiltouched > finality?
afaik veiltouched is always picked no?
lucid jackal
Does this only happen during second SD during SB? Aren’t supercharged cp always ...
Can happen at any time
tribal blade
Does this only happen during second SD during SB? Aren’t supercharged cp always ...
no you always get 2 supercharger
and applies to every dance
lilac stag
Does this only happen during second SD during SB? Aren’t supercharged cp always ...
The apex rule set is always
indigo breach
Oh does ST not consume both?
lucid jackal
correct
pseudo fiber
does this apex rule also apply to aoe?
lucid jackal
yer
pseudo fiber
ahh fuck, so... what does this do actually? i kinda do not get it 😄 is it explained somewhere?
lucid jackal
!apex
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
dusky yacht
Read it in your talent tree
lucid jackal
tribal blade
you spawn a clone that repeats the attack
tribal blade
sub does big finisher dmg
tribal blade
therefore apexing finisher is better than builder
tribal blade
yeah not too big
pseudo fiber
oh dang
tribal blade
since you're overcapping CP
dusky yacht
in hardstuck at 150k per dungeon
You mean 150k dps overall in a dungeon?
tribal blade
but it's good to do in aoe for more prio anyways
pseudo fiber
i mean i do everything correct, despite the 1% optimization. like, i tried both the sd usage u told me and only for st
wait a sec, lemme look if i find the MC 16 run
shiet details deleted it
i had 149k in the end, but full melee comp
monk, warr, feral
and sham
tribal blade
150k is good, but i'm not pushing atm so i have no idea what the standard is right now
pseudo fiber
im just wondering if the apex optimization is doing the trick, but if u say its 1%
then i.g. not
dusky yacht
What trinkets are you using
pseudo fiber
dont hate me mate...
tribal blade
im just wondering if the apex optimization is doing the trick, but if u say its ...
it won't bridge that gap no
pseudo fiber
dusky yacht
Ah that explains it
lilac stag
apex is bigger gain for priority than st
pseudo fiber
yep, as i thought
dusky yacht
I saw a vid on yt just earlier "you may think dev dh is a useless spec" and I almost spat out my water
People are playing a diff game or summin
pseudo fiber
😄
dusky yacht
Shit he's got a point tho
tribal blade
17 is just 10 + 7 though
checking your math on that
get back to you in 3 business days
dusky yacht
You should be doing theoretical physics while eating breakfast tbh
weary field
rotation
pseudo fiber
to the question with veiltouched > finality
this is what im running rn
for m+
im gonna sim that now
dusky yacht
to the question with veiltouched > finality
Both ST and m+ are running veil touched no
dusky yacht
I think it was a statement
pseudo fiber
btw lads, as a good hint for MT if u should push. remove virulent poisons and put it into wound poison for voidcallers ❤️
switching poisons after 2nd boss is THE deal for them
tribal blade
btw lads, as a good hint for MT if u should push. remove virulent poisons and p...
OR play with an arms
and forget about it
tawny marlin
pseudo fiber
sim bait inc
lilac stag
to the question with veiltouched > finality
Dropping TFD and picking up VT likely better in most dungeons
dusky yacht
It says best
lilac stag
In a dslice sim maybe?
I’m sure there’s an asterisk on the page or suggestions of swapping talents out
If you just want to copy paste go for it
dusky yacht
This is for the sub raid build
I guess it can carry over to m+ in some sense
So Finality by this logic outperforms TFD in longer fights (higher keys)?
I should consider swapping that then
hmm
I mean I do like first dance but it does feel a bit weird with guidon
lilac stag
Tank pulls, dungeon layout/rp, etc all impact things. Most of the talents choices are extremely minimal. You’ll lose more dps by holding CDs too long than you ever will swapping TFD for finality or finality for TFD.
tidal solstice
havent been using it for a while and havent missed it at all. i only swap pp to wm for st.
dusky yacht
Pretty sure my dps is pretty good for the gear I got in m+, altho I should probably use puzzle instead of guidon, but I hate that trinket so much
pseudo fiber
Dropping TFD and picking up VT likely better in most dungeons
im tryin it rn in a 15 skyreach. tfd sims 3k higher tho
lilac stag
nothing is going to take you from 150k to 180k. all our talents are very minimal.
short radish
incorrect. elusiveness takes me to 150k because i forget i have cheat death then i die to a feetal
lilac stag
It takes you to 125k
short radish
lilac stag
brisk onyx
dusky yacht
I switched TFD to finality cause fights are lasting longer now anyways
And I got puzzle out of my bank unfortunately
lilac stag
wicked joltBOT
Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.
primal ruin
is there any way (now that weakaura's are gone) to have an audio queue play when i reach max combo points?
brisk onyx
VT + finality are good if your tank never let you leave combat
dusky yacht
VT + finality are good if your tank never let you leave combat <:dead:9328883963...
Tbh it's often times not even tank's fault, I get hit by random shit while I'm miles away from the mobs sometimes and I have no idea why or how
lilac stag
Let me drag this single mob at 15% Health into the next pack
dusky yacht
I've even had a mob walk up to me while I'm in stealth and hit me in the face with a melee
Or I have tricks up and I SS on a mob and it hits me before going on tank
Like excuse me
brisk onyx
Tbh it's often times not even tank's fault, I get hit by random shit while I'm m...
Let me tell you why:caster mob can automatically lock onto stealthy rogue
dusky yacht
Let me tell you why:caster mob can automatically lock onto stealthy rogue<:OMEGA...
Another amazing design decision
brisk onyx
I'm fairly certain this is a bug that only appeared in 12.0
dusky yacht
My fav one was when I was super far away from the tank in stealth and randomly I get hit by a spell I didn't even see flying
dusky yacht
I'm fairly certain this is a bug that only appeared in 12.0
Kinda crazy how this is basically a class concept breaking bug and they're not even mentioning it anywhere or anything in patch notes
lilac stag
I'm fairly certain this is a bug that only appeared in 12.0
It’s new with midnight. Basically as soon as you’re in combat, even if stealthed, you’re targetable.
short radish
It’s new with midnight. Basically as soon as you’re in combat, even if stealthed...
they came for shroud, now they're finally coming after stealth
just delete this dog shit class already blizzard
dusky yacht
Is the dungeon slice sim like actually good for simming puzzle box vs guidon you guys think? I'm trying to find a way to tell myself puzzle isn't just better in m+
dry flame
Is the dungeon slice sim like actually good for simming puzzle box vs guidon you...
Just tell yourself you're using Guidon for boss dmg
mental saffron
Do we know if bonus rolls in 12.0.5 will account for items you have already looted from the Boss/dungeon
Items that you have looted outside of the bonus rolls*
dusky yacht
I have no idea but that would be kinda crazy no
mental saffron
Kind of counterintuitive to not work that way but
As they already have a knock out system implemented
dusky yacht
Just tell yourself you're using Guidon for boss dmg
I put puzzle back in the box bro 2.6k they can keep it LMAO
dusky yacht
Kind of counterintuitive to not work that way but
What if you looted an item already but then sold it or whatever because at the time you didn't want it, and then you can't bonus roll for it again, also how can you keep track of that
mental saffron
Idk why you would sell a mythic track item, but blizzard has a track record of what you have looted.
dusky yacht
Idk why you would sell a mythic track item, but blizzard has a track record of w...
Oh it's only for mythic track?
mental saffron
No
dusky yacht
I might have sold something as assas that I now want on sub
mental saffron
Why would you bonus roll for a hc item anyway
dusky yacht
Why would you bonus roll for a hc item anyway
You mentioned dungeon
I wouldn't mind bonus rolling for omission so I'm done having to farm xenas all day every day
mental saffron
M+ 10 bonus rolls gives myth track equal to vault
mental saffron
I wish you luck rolling on that loot pool
short radish
Wow what so if I bonus roll m+ xenas I might get myth omission?
yes
short radish
the way the bonus rolls work is that you will eventually get it
mental saffron
If the knockout system works with current aquiered items ill snatch myself a Mythic Gaze first week
dusky yacht
Wait shit yeah I got champ gaze but we've done mythic this week
So I kill the boss and I can just bonus roll for gaze?
tribal blade
lol most of the highest IO sub rogues are specced into sin on rio right now
@lilac stag about that time
short radish
i know it's my fault for going on reddit but holy shit, mage going "rogue utility is super underrated" really gets my gears grinding
dusky yacht
i know it's my fault for going on reddit but holy shit, mage going "rogue utilit...
This is a troll post right
BLACK POWDERRRR
short radish
idk
dusky yacht
we're so back boys we got AoE dmg
tribal blade
we don't even have the best aoe
also blizz will see mage is not in the current meta
and buff them
goes without saying
short radish
as is tradition
tribal blade
the meta right now doesn't mean anything
dry flame
I put puzzle back in the box bro 2.6k they can keep it LMAO
This is DSlice sim, right?
dusky yacht
This is DSlice sim, right?
Yeah it is, with my personal buffs only that I always have up
well buffs I mean consumables
quaint lodge
<a:pepestab:1139020226067964004>
i laughed
dry flame
Yeah it is, with my personal buffs only that I always have up
That's why i said, tell yourself you keep guidon for boss dmg 😄
then you just sim the ST xD
dusky yacht
then you just sim the ST xD
No need I've maximum coped already
Rubix cube back in the bank
Made my trinkets great again
dusky yacht
i laughed
We here at sub rogue rage cope central take pride in our ability to make others laugh
dry flame
Yeah it is, with my personal buffs only that I always have up
for some reason, Guidon + Raid Talents sim higher for me for DSlice than M+/Puzzlebox XD
Surely a bug tho, there's no way
dusky yacht
I'm gonna be real I think the sims are hallucinating from time to time or something
My DPS estimate from dungeon slice also doesn't really make sense
I did 146k overall last m+ I did
dry flame
I've been eye-balling Sub this whole tier
dry flame
I did 146k overall last m+ I did
specific number isn't the indicator i follow, but usually gear-wise
but yeah, been eyeballing sub this tier
dusky yacht
Yeah of course but like it's always about 130k-145kish overall so like at least 22ish minutes of a whole ass dungeon
And then I sim 6 min dslice and it's 109k
I don't think random party buffs are gonna give me 21k dps
But maybe I'm just bad at math idk
brisk onyx
and buff them
it is what it is
dusky yacht
it is what it is<:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
I found a ring that's a bigger upgrade for me than hero omission
Quick pug in and out before reset what do you guys think
dry flame
Yeah of course but like it's always about 130k-145kish overall so like at least ...
Yeah, don't look at the actual number, its more for gear (altho even that is not as reliable this tier imo),
this is my Assa sim for DSlice (self buffs only):
And this is a +16 MT
its has so many factors for M+, how tank pulls, mechanics etc.
dry flame
wtf assa is that much better now
i didn't play it on anything under a +14 tho
prio dmg is just really good
dusky yacht
Eh I just didn't like assa, cooldowns are so long, at least on sub I feel alive
dry flame
Also helps that i've reached 40% crit with the M+ setup (40% crit with oils/flask)
dusky yacht
Also helps that i've reached 40% crit with the M+ setup (40% crit with oils/flas...
Sick
supple barn
I just got 13s resilient and tried assa it’s pretty fun but I need new gear 🙁
dry flame
But for sub, sims are totally out of wack for me
dusky yacht
Yeah my itemisation would make it kinda loco for me to go back to assas
And I'm mainly into raiding I guess
Also I hate puzzle too much
dry flame
And this is my eye-balled Sub with flask/oils
dusky yacht
But on assa it's just too good
dry flame
i also have 289 puzzlebox, so im probably using that on sub too if i play it xD
supple barn
Ya I hate puzzle too
dusky yacht
My puzzle is only champ and so is my guidon/gaze so yeah
They're actually my lowest ilvl items lol
dry flame
no luck in the weekly?
Cuz i got Myth Guidon in vault, and then weekly quest gave me HC Guidon 
dusky yacht
Weekly hasn't given me much of anything good
I got myth helm (that I catalysted) and myth occlusion (my curse) from my vaults
And prolly like hero gloves before that I can't remember
I need omission so bad like it's actually ridiculous, because I'm also not at haste breakpoint
dry flame
I just got 13s resilient and tried assa it’s pretty fun but I need new gear 🙁
gearing wasn't as big of an issue for me, even though im a solo player that only pugs
i feel like i just kept 90% of the drops i got
and could eventually balance out and shuffle items
dry flame
I need omission so bad like it's actually ridiculous, because I'm also not at ha...
i was rolling with the 2-set rings, but now i've swapped void for the MT one
dusky yacht
Ignore the boots the sim is just telling me to get more haste basically
dry flame
i don't trust anything for sub anymore
dry flame
And this is my eye-balled Sub with flask/oils
that's why i just try to be as close to 700 haste as possible and the rest as much mastery as i can
dusky yacht
I've also been running PoS for the belt but also no luck there
supple barn
i feel like i just kept 90% of the drops i got
Ye I might look through item restore
dusky yacht
I'm thinking of crafting 285 haste/mastery belt on reset
supple barn
I think I do a ring
dusky yacht
I don't wanna craft ring because it's so cringe to have myth occlusion and then crafted ring
dry flame
also target farm - i farmed Nexus/MT/AA for a while to get all the rings
for context, i have 3 crafts
- Dagger (haste/mastery)
- Boots (crit/haste)
- Neck (crit/haste)
but i did that because i wana use them in all 3 specs
so if you're really missing some stats and you wanna swap specs for certain stuff, maybe recraft some if it won't brick your characters
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offhand since I got hungering victory mythic mainhand
I had already crafted the bracers cause I was assas a few weeks back
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i know, but i mean if you wanna swap to assa at some point
especially if u get to Paladins with your guild and you're not benched
dusky yacht
Yeah ofc
I mean I'm prolly not gonna get benched I'm pretty high up on our dps meters every time
Think I'm doing pretty good
But I need haste so bad man it's so ridiculous
without oils
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I knew i'd be playing all 3 specs, so i did general crafts (crit/haste), which WAS a disadvantage for the first weeks, but now i've accumiliated enough gear
dusky yacht
Bro I am telling you this myth occlusion thing screwed me
dry flame
better continue the Nexus farm my guy
if you're on EU, i can trade rings, if you wanna get into some +10s to blast 'em
dusky yacht
Please kill me
The rest of the runs except PoS is literally my guildies/friends begging me to do anything else
I've done runs where EVERYONE in the party was PREPARED AND WILLING to trade me the ring on drop
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I've done runs where EVERYONE in the party was PREPARED AND WILLING to trade me ...
not everyone 
dusky yacht
At this point I feel like they're as desperate as I am for it to drop
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not everyone <:EZ:690524266923294750>
You're lucky you're so hairy man I'd spa- nvm
dusky yacht
I am yeah
But I should prolly sleep soon I've been telling myself to go sleep since 3:30 am
And was farming m+ all day
dry flame
LOL
dusky yacht
You know how it says this reset right
Well I only got back in my country from a trip to croatia ON SATURDAY
11 XENAS RUNS THIS RESET
dry flame
i can do a quick one right now, up to you
dusky yacht
dusky yacht
i can do a quick one right now, up to you
I appreciate it but I'll pass I just can't
My brain fried
dry flame
dry flame
Luck is a skill
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I think I used it all up when I played league
I did the gacha thing once for the luls
First try I got Spirit Blossom Morgana
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