subtlety

[uncut socket]

i've also had a talent of playing the worst supported specs in the game

[sullen hare]

this is what mistweaver dungeon talents look like

[livid frigate]

I think my mastery atm is 63% and I have a mythic puzzle box

[swift tinsel]

Once guild keys start to slump I’ll be done

[sullen hare]

it's an abomination

[swift tinsel]

Yeah no spiritfont is wild lol

[sullen hare]

three rising sun kicks in a row is pretty neat though

[unreal silo]

do i care to have AA active for non-supercharged finishers? i think guide says no but im not native speaker

[pure cloud]

So just crit mastery after 700. I just hit 700 with no flask today before I left for work

[swift tinsel]

Nah you just worry about the supercharged ones

[unreal silo]

thanks

[sullen hare]

pretty much. crit/mast and vers is a dump stat so if you can avoid it at all that's best

[swift tinsel]

With the exception of darkest night evisc if you find yourself playing DS

Which, don’t

[atomic bobcat]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sullen hare]

DS, the hero talents that blizzard ignored so hard it died

[swift tinsel]

Not dead enough imo

[sullen hare]

also true.

[pure cloud]

Someone had a “!” Command for the AA supercharge situation but I don’t remember it

[swift tinsel]

It legitimately needs a ground up rework

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[sullen hare]

believe it or not, it's !aa LOL

DS lets out ragged gasps every now and then, so the only way to be for sure is to break out the 12 gauge

[swift tinsel]

It’s clear they have an idea for a single target tunneling thing with mark, but it just doesn’t translate to any fight that exists in the game for the most part

And mass casualty was a neat idea to make it more relevant in aoe but it ignores the fact that dn just feels really bad in aoe

But absolutely wholly refuse to do anything to make it feel less bad

To the point where they actively blocked our ability to avoid proccing it

And also made dn un-cancelaura’able

“We don’t want you finding ways to make the un-fun part of the hero tree work in a bad ecosystem”

[hazy breach]

If they fix the premed bug i could see a world where we get 2 DNs in dance as deathstalker with enough haste

[sullen hare]

hopefully that's after my sub lapses

[hazy breach]

Probably something for next tier(s) though

[alpine wraith]

ayyyy

[swift tinsel]

How many birthdays has premed bug celebrated so far

[alpine wraith]

the 1300 haste snap

[uncut sluice]

what is the premed bug?

[swift tinsel]

Gotta be a couple by now

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[alpine wraith]

did we get shadowcraft on df

or in tww

[pure cloud]

I feel like next tier imma be chasing a 1500 haste breakpoint

[sullen hare]

*profound and painful-sounding vomiting*

[swift tinsel]

DF

[warm marlin]

Why yes even more leaning into our st merchant niche and being somehow worse at low target cleave

[swift tinsel]

Make. Dn. Cleave.

[hazy breach]

Well yeah it is what it is

[swift tinsel]

Even just up to 5 targets

Or 8 and Precise Cuts it

Idc

[pure cloud]

Any cleave would be nice. I wanna die any time there’s 2-3 bosses or my tank isnt pulling half the dungeon

[regal rose]

how do i kno when coup de grace procs without weakauras i cant tell if its up or not for when im in big aoe pulls is it that much for dmg to evis over bp for big aoe ?

[sullen hare]

replace all of DS's talents with passive plague damage and make the capstone the 2/4pc from soulblade in shadowlands

[hollow raptor]

sure glad every boss is hectic add cleave

[swift tinsel]

No perma blades set

Nonono

[hallow mortar]

i may progg paladins, seems like assa is the way looking at logs

[hazy breach]

You can track it in your cooldown manager

[swift tinsel]

Should just make nimble a spec tree talent or baseline imo

[sullen hare]

fine just the 4pc that launches shadowstrikes everywhere

[frosty sinew]

you can track the buff in cdm or just add evis to your cdm and it will change to coup when it's ready

[regal rose]

@hazy breach i dont see it when i type /bcdm

ok ill try

[swift tinsel]

Make nimble baseline and add evisc back to it

[swift tinsel]

Then we still cast storm in aoe

[left ledge]

You know

I think I enjoy DS more than trickster right now

[swift tinsel]

Or make dance proc nimble

[left ledge]

…

The conditional I have to meet more often idk

Just activates a couple more brain cells

[regal rose]

whats better for m+ ds or fate ?

[lilac stag]

what have you played it on?

[left ledge]

Chim, vorasius, NK, crown

I’m gonna play it on lura too probably

[lilac stag]

logs public? I was just curious how it was going

[left ledge]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

Dm if you don’t want to share

[left ledge]

They’re prob not great logs I didn’t play DS recently out of laziness

Uh I’m on phone

But I’m Subti

[lilac stag]

was gonna possibly run DS tomorrow

[left ledge]

Should be easy to find

A52

[lilac stag]

It’s a decent chunk ahead for me

[left ledge]

It’s more fun than trickster ngl

But some bosses it can be a pain

On chim just be mindful of when you’re phasing

Or when boss flies up

[swift tinsel]

I’d be afraid of mark disappearing on Lura

[lilac stag]

We did chim yesterday

[left ledge]

Just make sure you have DN up to transfer the mark

Ah

On vora it’s super chill

[lilac stag]

doing the first three idk what I’m in for

[left ledge]

You literally just smack him

One sec

[swift tinsel]

Yeah you just tunnel

[lilac stag]

I’m hoping it’s better come .5

with the swapping

[left ledge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/subti?

Yeah that’s why I’m DS on lura

We will prob have mark for death by then

Hoping that resolves the bug lmao

It def resolves the pain point

[lilac stag]

Yea

[left ledge]

Might need to look at heroic for saladbar

[cold basin]

guys is wild fiberknife a good dagger to upgrade at heroic it has a lil vers but its mostly crit

[left ledge]

He is jot a deathstalker fight on mythic

Not*

you play trickster on that guy mythic

[lilac stag]

Fuk Aug is disgusting

[left ledge]

Anything is fine to upgrade

Based on level

[lilac stag]

yeah salad is tricky

[left ledge]

Craft a dagger with myth crests and upgrade second one is fine

[cold basin]

@left ledge i dont get why the bis dagger is from dreamrift since it has vers

[left ledge]

High mastery

And myth wep is myth wep

Vers isn’t bad for us

[regal rose]

fatebound or ds for m+ ?

[hazy breach]

It doesnt really matter what dagger you have

You just want the maximum ilvl in your mainhand

[left ledge]

Wrong channel

But fatebound probably

[cold basin]

whats the second best dagger gloom because i got locked out of the heroic

[regal rose]

im asing for sub

asking

[hazy breach]

Again, anything with high ilvl

[left ledge]

Sub doesn’t have fatebound, play trickster

[vernal drum]

someone has the other discord for shaman ?

[regal rose]

so trickster is best for sub m+

[pure cloud]

Feels like it

[alpine wraith]

yea

[cold basin]

@hazy breach my dagger atm is wild fiberknife but there are better daggers in dungeons isnt it worth holding onto my hero crests for a better one since i dont wanna get capped in heroics

*heroic crests

[hazy breach]

Once you have 2 daggers at 276 it doesnt costs you crests to upgrade another dagger

[cold basin]

does that include the crafted dagger as well?

[hazy breach]

yes

[graceful crown]

each week i do vanguard i feel more sadness inside of me

[hazy breach]

Its also for every slot

[cold basin]

oooo didnt know that thank you man<3

[hazy breach]

Not just daggers

[lilac stag]

Worst case you spend 80g to upgrade another dagger and 10k for an enchant

[uneven ginkgo]

why do we take Warning Signs over Planned Execution?

[hazy breach]

Because the vast majority of our combo points come from auto attacks

So attacking 25% faster is good

Compared to the ~2% increase damage you get on average during dance from PE

[eternal willow]

is there any place i can see better craftings?

[rich wigeon]

Hey, is 18% haste enough for sub now or is it more worth to invest a bit more into haste for reduced sectec cd on second shadow dance window?

number wise It's 623 (with oils)

[tepid trellis]

you want around 700 haste stat

[fair phoenix]

bro why when i burst i farm aura + ego + trump

[rich wigeon]

god bless mate

I guess 631 crit a tad bit much

[eternal willow]

apart from weapon which crafting is the best?

[rich wigeon]

belt

[hazy breach]

Whatever is the highest upgrade for you

[eternal willow]

kay

[signal heath]

whats subs best dungeons ?

[livid frigate]

Yeah I’ve only got 535 atm so I need to bump it up quite a bit

[plush roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[signal heath]

i have 669 🤯

[manic glen]

Might sound dumb, do I need to wait for the coup animation to finish, like if I hit shadowstrike beforehand does it interrupt it?

[short aurora]

its not a channel, so no

[manic glen]

sweet

[weak vector]

man fuck this trinket lmao

[dusky yacht]

Lmao

[tranquil sorrel]

Just got the LFR version and it was legit a 4k dps increase over my hero trinket

xd

So at 20% haste i'm safe to start stacking up mastery?

[weak vector]

yup

[tranquil sorrel]

W

[weak vector]

as long as you're around 700

[tranquil sorrel]

722

[west tide]

22 over thats a lot of dps loss

[dusky yacht]

My deadass is at 17% should I give up chat

[weak vector]

reroll arms war

[dusky yacht]

Instructions unclear gonna keep parsing top 100 on mythic

I’m jking I’m washed it’s over

[grave parcel]

Does first dance lose value the higher keys you get into? I find it hard to constantly get use of it and fights are much longer so i i figured maybe more value from weaponmaster or veiltouched. thoughts?

[dusky yacht]

Hmm I don’t know the math on that tbh

[left ledge]

if you cant consistently get it up and running you drop it for veiltouched

[hazy breach]

Probably worth to get veiltouched instead nowadays ngl

[tranquil sorrel]

over what

[left ledge]

over first dance

[grave parcel]

Yeah thats how i was starting to feel, sometimes im hiding at the back of the group waiting 5 seconds to engage into the pull just to have a longer dance for CD's

[tranquil sorrel]

yeah makes sense

my tanks chain pull so hard

[grave parcel]

exactly

[dusky yacht]

Doesn’t the m+ build for trickster already have veiltouched

[left ledge]

idk

[compact token]

hey lads where can i go to find a bigger brain than mine to help what im doing wrong in logs?

[left ledge]

if it does then go finality

[tranquil sorrel]

so we dont go finality?

I'm confused

[grave parcel]

u drop first dance for finality from that tree

i was playing finality over veiltouched so for me im dropping first dance for veiltouched

[dusky yacht]

I’m not saying don’t, I’m saying the current build already has veiltouched so you prolly should if you don’t want first dance

[alpine wraith]

finality is more aoe veiltouched a bit more st

but just get both now yea

what we change is wm

from first dance i think

so that is why eleem said just go veil

[grave parcel]

yeah

[dusky yacht]

Yeah that’s dropping tfd for finality build

[alpine wraith]

yea if you take tfd you can choose to take finality off or veil

[grave parcel]

oh well i been playing finality with first dance just no veil touched but meh now im playing both, i felt like i been costing myself 2 much dps trying to min max first dance

[alpine wraith]

if you do giga pulls finality a bit better if not veil is more st

but tfd can be annoying to play around

[dusky yacht]

Can you drop veil in that case for double finality? Or it doesn’t allow?

I’m not at pc

[alpine wraith]

nope you cant

[dusky yacht]

Right

[pine oyster]

Why do my sims want me to equip items to make my haste around 580, instead of 700

[dusky yacht]

Yeah go with the build Hachadino just posted then you should be chilling

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[pine oyster]

I’m doing that, and sims still want me to put on platinum star band over a haste ring, which would drop my haste from 660 to 580ish

[raven pasture]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/H3bqjBrJ9wd6vtQ7/AwmWNhFpbQanr8ZH?fight=33&type=damage-done&source=1205%2C392
Yo yo, any idea why my damages on boss are that low compared to that rogue ? i surely can improve a lot but i'm wondering where

i'm mäjaa

[dusky yacht]

What Eleem is trying to tell you is the sims assume you’re a bot, but you’re human, you want wiggleroom

[placid crown]

How bro on the left can have ~360 stats more than me, according to warcraft logs

[pine oyster]

Fair, so basically just ignore the sim and use the haste ring to give me that wiggle room making my haste around 697 with oils

[dusky yacht]

This will make everything much more smoother for you and actually increase your dps even if the sim says you suck and are low iq

The sim is like your parents, they’ll be disappointed no matter what you do

[drowsy solar]

where can i post a log to get some help, to see what i did wrong, cuz i dont really know what i am doing really badly

[ivory orchid]

Is there a visual or cdm visual to know when lights guidon impacts deepening shadows? I have just been yoloing it

[north schooner]

kinda hard to tell if you aren't posting the logs themselves

[lilac stag]

Use !log

[lilac stag]

You can make a custom bar tracking the buff in ArcUI

[drowsy solar]

!log

[tepid trellis]

Nope

I just do a slightl delay between pressing the trinket and my first Dance and hope for the best

[lucid jackal]

Do you still just Dance > sectec > SS > coup here

[tepid trellis]

U Can yes

[lucid jackal]

whats correct tho

[tepid trellis]

Send the Dance and delay blades by like 5 sec

[sly shore]

yuh send

[latent remnant]

i think theyre just asking if they send the coup supercharged or the sectec

[astral axle]

you can supercharge them both huh

[tepid trellis]

Both would be supercharged cuh

[latent remnant]

wait my brain broke

[astral axle]

[shrewd lantern]

the question is if you send the coup or st first

i imagine

[fading elk]

does it make sense that lfr guidon and gaze are simming equal to lfr guidon and hero void-reaper's libram? and also does it make sense that the libram is simming higher than hero withered saptor's paw? the wowhead tier list has saptor paw in a higher tier than the libram

[tepid trellis]

Always sectech

[shrewd lantern]

the potential to get another coup isnt worth?

[tepid trellis]

Nop

[swift tinsel]

Sectech be a big button

[lucid jackal]

Yeah but ur wasting unseen blade stacks

does that not matter

[swift tinsel]

It’s an acceptable waste

[lucid jackal]

Okay so what do u do right here

[tepid trellis]

Finish

[lucid jackal]

No apex active

Do you

SS > Evis > sectec

[tepid trellis]

Yes

[lucid jackal]

or do you SS > sectec > evis

[tepid trellis]

Sectech would need 1 more global

[hazy breach]

sectech wont be ready after only one gcd though right'

[lucid jackal]

Nah it'd be ready after 1 global there

I SS right at the end of the global

[tepid trellis]

If sectech is up and not delaying your gcds send it

[lucid jackal]

So this one?

Or the evis one

Cuz ur doing the minmax, on Sectec, which isn't suppose to be done

But if you do SS EVIS SECTEC

the clones wouldnt get boosted by blades right

[tepid trellis]

Ideally you would have aligned Dance so it wouldnt hit like this

But id Never delay sectech

[lucid jackal]

So here would be a sectec, correct?

[tepid trellis]

People should just do the Dance on last 8 sec of blades

[fair phoenix]

bro , that colors is insane

[lone spear]

so the only way to get a correct second SecTech during Blades is to have guidon + 4p right boiz ?

[fair phoenix]

i wanna them on atrocity omg

[lucid jackal]

Alright

Ur saying thats just better

But then u dont SC sectec

[lilac stag]

This is the way

[lucid jackal]

Does that just not matter

[lilac stag]

You can SC 2nd Sectech in lust

[hazy breach]

Well its supercharge sectech + half of dance outside blades VS longer dance by still using it during guidon+all of dance inside blades

[tepid trellis]

Its like 0,1 worse but impossible to fuck up

But thats only if you actually to the other thing right everytime

[lucid jackal]

So just dance at 8 seconds left on blades?

[hazy breach]

Unless you do the 0.5s perfect snap with guidon, in which case theyre equal. But doing that reliably with the deepening shadows bug is very very hard

[tepid trellis]

Yep

[lucid jackal]

And then just dont get the sectec SC

[tepid trellis]

Yup

[lucid jackal]

Aight

I'm down for that

[lilac stag]

keeps it way less inting

[lucid jackal]

and then just to double check, stop dance at 10 seconds on blades
stop finishers at 5 seconds on sectec

[lone spear]

so that's with guidon equipped will give you a second SechTech into Shadow dance and Shadow blade ?

[lilac stag]

Guy has thanos trinkets

[hazy breach]

!guidon yes

[tepid trellis]

Rekt

[lone spear]

damn i really need that guidon then :c

[astral axle]

Guy about to remind Shindig who signs his checks

[lilac stag]

!guidon

[lucid jackal]

Lawl

[tepid trellis]

Rekt x2

[vast zinc]

if uget puzzlebox are u just a 2min spec?

[astral axle]

Moroes on strike

[lucid jackal]

no

[astral axle]

[lilac stag]

Nope

[tepid trellis]

Nop

[lilac stag]

It’s a 3 min trinket on sub

[tepid trellis]

Always so lucky

[lilac stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[astral axle]

what the helly

Also based set name

[cosmic ermine]

so how we doing ?? Nullaeus as Sub?

[lilac stag]

wdym

[tepid trellis]

Kill it before it kills u. Hope that helps

[lilac stag]

Use healer kill it

[lone spear]

did it a few days ago with 271 ilv , 3 try

[tepid trellis]

[lilac stag]

Get 30+ and non shit curios

[lone spear]

valeera as healer lvl 25

[cosmic ermine]

Val is 30, im at 262 ilvl with 4 set, can get to Phase 3 and get the ad to 20% before Null goes active again and then the dmg is to much for Val and we get killed from Dmg. what Curios do I need to use?

[fading elk]

sorry to ask again, but could someone give some insight on this?

[lilac stag]

Kill the add and focus interrupt null

[west tide]

twin we got the same trinkets

[hollow raptor]

i keep liking his tweets but rogues not getting buffed

what gives

[limber cliff]

Tricks Valeera, and murder him and the adds interrupt the fuck you spell

[hazy lichen]

anyone else opener semi inconsistent with lust

[limber cliff]

Healer Valeera doesn't die

Assuming you are doing this as trickster anyway

[hazy breach]

What do you mean

[cosmic ermine]

she dies multiple times during the fight

[lone spear]

using Shadow dance make valeera tanking the boss , simply doesn't use any dance before she's fully HP

whenever she's low hp u'll have to tank the boss

[hazy lichen]

Like sometimes on pull my second strike on opener will proc apex talent and sometimes not and if it doesnt i shadowstrike again at max cp which gives me less globals in the rest of the opener

[hazy breach]

Well the apex isnt random

[tepid trellis]

Check dem ShT stacks

[hazy breach]

But also idk what you mean by "getting less globals"

[hazy lichen]

the shadowy techniquees proc feel random

should i wait

[hazy breach]

No

[hazy lichen]

to be at 5 before pressing second strike

[tepid trellis]

Only strike if you are at 5 when the global is rdy if not just send the finisher

No waiting

[fading elk]

is this list up to date? for example the libram trinket is simming better than saptor paw for me

[hazy lichen]

i mean when at zero cp

after sending first sectec

cause usually my ShT stacks are at 4

do i wait for it to go up to 6 then press strike

[tepid trellis]

No

[hazy breach]

Well saptor has haste on it

So you'd need to adjust for that elsewhere on your gear

If youre simming to compare them

[lone spear]

saptor sim really bad for whatever reason

[hazy breach]

But also just get the voidstorm renown trinket, crucible

[hazy lichen]

So right here insta strike isntead of waiting for the stack to hit 5

[hazy breach]

NEVER wait during dance

[tepid trellis]

Yes strike

[hazy lichen]

ok

[fading elk]

so saptor better actually?

[lone spear]

nop

[hazy lichen]

and do u double strike for the next 3 SC combo points

from the pre shadow dance

if reqs are met

[tepid trellis]

If you fill the apex minmax requirements yes

[hazy lichen]

ok and does anyone know why sometimes opener does like 200k and sometimes upwards of 240k

is it just crit procs

[tepid trellis]

Rng

[lilac stag]

Just run your own sims and ignore lists

[tepid trellis]

Crits. Coup procs. Wep enchant procs

Etc

[radiant swift]

why strike has only 4 sth stacks

[tepid trellis]

[hazy breach]

Well he is at 0 cp

[radiant swift]

oh

well im a blind mothfcker

did not see that at all

my bad

[lilac stag]

2 button spec.

[hardy lily]

If super charged anima condition is NOT met

Do you use generator at max CP without AA proc?

[serene notch]

Whats the mastery break point where we storm in ST? I remember @plush roost doing during beta, is this still real?

[plush roost]

theres no mastery thing

for that

[tepid trellis]

If the conditions of the minmax is not met you would indeed not do the minmax

[plush roost]

it was just lashe macabre and it was more relevenant on low haste build since gcds were tight

[tepid trellis]

So No SC = No minmax

[hardy lily]

gotcha

Ty

So literally all 3 conditions would have to be true

[serene notch]

Got it

[tepid trellis]

Yes all 3

[hardy lily]

perfect

It was a little confusing

had to double check

Lol

[hazy breach]

Well the macabre thing was BP on ST with PP and high mastery for a very very minor gain

But PP and BP have both tanked enormous nerfs since then

[tepid trellis]

All good

[lilac stag]

BP buffs soon. Surely.

[glass kelp]

worth to target farm hero version of bis pieces on the wowhead guide?

in m+

[hazy breach]

Not really

Get ivl, get 700 haste, then fill the rest with crit+mastery

[lilac stag]

Just get haste to 700

If you’re sadistic, farm ring set

[serene notch]

Still sadge my goblin racial does not let me target less haste

[shrewd lantern]

racials are minimal impact

thank god

[hazy breach]

But it is indeed stupid that deepening only works on haste from rating

[loud wharf]

Panda racial goes crazy rn

[shrewd lantern]

by crazy you mean

a whole 1k dps

[loud wharf]

Yes

[hazy lichen]

during cds on second sd with 8 sec left on blades and on 0 cp should you press the dance storm macro

[loud wharf]

Racials being completely unimportant is eh

[shrewd lantern]

im being generous with the 1k

hold on let me actually find the script for the racials...

[hazy breach]

Ideally yes

[loud wharf]

Yeah its like less than 1% difference on all the racial iirc

Race really doesnt matter.

[hazy breach]

But it doesnt matter that much, since guidon gives more like +1.4s rather than just +1s

So the globals arent really that tight

(obviously depends on your ilvl on guidon, but its atleast like +1.2s)

[shrewd lantern]

i stand corrected its 500 dps for panda

over velf

[dusky yacht]

Wtf where do humans rank on this

[shrewd lantern]

oh troll is worse than vulpera

rough

[hazy lichen]

with max ilvl guidon and 680 haste with consumes should i just shadowstrike instead of the sd storm macro

[shrewd lantern]

-450 for me

[dusky yacht]

You trickster?

[hazy lichen]

yea

[dusky yacht]

Guess not too bad then

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[dusky yacht]

Trickster generally doesn’t wanna shuriken storm dance

Afaik

[shrewd lantern]

i mean human generally gets better

as the tiers go on

[dusky yacht]

Oh really?

I haven’t even checked what the racials are nowdays I just wanted ponytail human female rogue with red eyes and black eyepatch

[shrewd lantern]

you get more stats

from your secondaries

[dusky yacht]

Sick

I’m scaling boys

It’s not over

[hazy lichen]

the sim does it tho

[dusky yacht]

I mean I got no answer to this sometimes I think the sim is having psychosis

Maybe it’s me

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure racials like dwarf also scale

[dusky yacht]

Maybe it’s maybelline

[shrewd lantern]

since its just 2% crit dam

[stray oyster]

should guidon be used before potion

i read that somewhere i think

so guidon then sb with potion

[jade oasis]

im split on what i should craft

thinking either legs, cloak, or belt

legs giving me 100 vers so its kinda yuck

but we have good leg options

but we have good options for both other slots too

[tribal blade]

holy shit doing sims for sub now

feels like math homework

[radiant swift]

would yall take HC gaze over mythic set pieces while runing puzzlebox and skyreach trinket? feels hella bad to take out a hc piece

[west tide]

ya i prob would depends on how many on ur team have it or not but also pace of progression

[jovial ginkgo]

I can’t get haste to 700 and sims keep telling me to weird shit. 832 mastery/569 haste/721 crit

[west tide]

if u are killin it on mythic already then maybe not

[radiant swift]

i can kill it on normal, heroic and mythic

[jade oasis]

sim doesnt need as much haste since its a robot

[radiant swift]

tought mybe long run it might be better to take a mythic piece

[jovial ginkgo]

So I should swap from bifurcation band to the haste vers from seat?

[west tide]

do u have crests to spend on mythic

[jade oasis]

i personally wouldnt

[radiant swift]

yeah i have for 2 pieces

would full upgrade it ofc

[west tide]

i mean obviously the gaze probv simes like way higher than the 2 myth pieces fully upgraded so...

depends how u feel i feel like mythic tier + the random cata pieces will drop plentiful in ur raid in the coming weeks

get some power now perhaps

[indigo wraith]

!GUIDON

!guidon

?

[jade oasis]

have u killed chim this week?

[jade oasis]

!guidon

wtf

[radiant swift]

oh im set on cata charges but

[radiant swift]

yes unfort :*(

[jade oasis]

hmmmmm

[regal rose]

whats best way to sim for m+ still dslice

[radiant swift]

plume seems to be pretty close to gaze in sims

alot of chances to farm either of them every week

[jade oasis]

honestly id take the gaze but

my guild gets 4 belts on every chimaerus kill

so

[radiant swift]

we barely seen any drops its hard to tell

[jade oasis]

weve seen 2 gazes and both were on normal

[radiant swift]

yeah we barely seen any too

same with guidon

[jade oasis]

yeah i cant relate with that

i got my mythic guidon over my dks

bc im a boss

[radiant swift]

must be nice!

fcking hate puzzblebox

[jade oasis]

i stopped grinding for it as soon as

i learned it was a cast

i cant stand cast trinkets

[jovial ginkgo]

i have it on champ, need guidons bad

[radiant swift]

the opener is so whanky with it

its just unfun to play

[golden lark]

So I have 809 crit / 525 haste / 659 mastery / 165 vers
I feel like I have too much crit but and wanna try and get more haste and mastery, but sims seem like prefer a lot of crit for some reason

[earnest crane]

i dont know if its good idea to stack haste and mastery and play planned execution

[glass kelp]

!ui

[golden lark]

But planned execution is crit damage

[earnest crane]

i know

u do more dmg with mastery and if u get crit isnt it gonna be alot?

[tribal blade]

not really no

if you're gonna play PE you drop even more haste, that's how it's played

for big aoe

and bad ST

[earnest crane]

and the plan that i mean is for M+ not for raid

[golden lark]

Ooo

[tribal blade]

that doesn't change what i wrote in response

also if you play that build

and don't have a tank pulling around you

it'll be misery

[earnest crane]

and what if i drop veiltouch and get finnality instead for more ST

[tribal blade]

you shouldn't be dropping finality for M+ talents

you swap between VT and TFD

actually i suppose you could

[earnest crane]

i can drop VT and get Finnality there is no problem

and keep the first dance

[tribal blade]

yeah those 3 are kinda interchangable

[earnest crane]

i think its not gonna be bad in high keys

PE with finnality without VT

[tribal blade]

i just stopped running TFD because it's annoying in some keys

overall is still good w/o it

[earnest crane]

:I

[tribal blade]

some keys it's cracked though

[earnest crane]

isnt the whole perpose of we get haste as main secendery stat to make longer dances

[tribal blade]

yes

[earnest crane]

and u drop a free 4 sec i dont think its gonna be good

and u lose dark shadow benefit too

and DP

[tribal blade]

it's not 4 secs it's 3

[abstract turret]

!guidon

[tribal blade]

yeah it's for sure good

[short radish]

which keys?

[tribal blade]

i just couldn't be bothered running with it right now

[tribal blade]

it's more so that i'm not playing with really good players anymore

so the tanks pull REALLY stupid

[short radish]

ecks dee

[earnest crane]

yea our dps will ruin by tanks alot

[tribal blade]

but i saw someone made an addon to track it so might start playing it again now that it's easier to track

[earnest crane]

i just got used to it but any way u lose one Secret but i still think its better to have longer dance

[west tide]

!oh

[hazy breach]

Bot is dead

[tribal blade]

!guy

yeah it's dead

nice this TFD addon is sick

ok i'll start running it again in keys

[warm marlin]

im ngl

we got to p3 alleria

it doesnt seem that terrible for melee

[golden lark]

Damn, what is it called?

[tribal blade]

just search "the first dance" in curseforge

the one with the most downloads

[short radish]

after mapping out when every boss moved in and out on paladins it also felt kinda chill

and you know, also sorting out the absorb soaks

thanks @plush roost

[golden lark]

@tribal blade That does look sick, thanks!

[short radish]

like we went back in after fumbling to 3-4 mins every pull

to first pull after coming back

and making it all the way to enrage

[warm marlin]

ye our tank started comming senn charges in particular and it was easier

[short radish]

im a bit tempted to upload the kill video but i played so fucking bad i dont think i want to

{time:00:20} - Fimbulvtr General runs off {time:00:59} - Fimbulvtr General returns {time:01:10} - Fimbulvtr Commander runs off {time:01:43} - Fimbulvtr Commander returns {time:01:46} - Fimbulvtr Big move {time:02:10} - Fimbulvtr War Chaplain runs off {time:02:50} - Fimbulvtr Together again {time:02:58} - Fimbulvtr General runs off {time:03:38} - Fimbulvtr General returns {time:03:48} - Fimbulvtr Commander runs off {time:04:20} - Fimbulvtr Commander returns {time:04:45} - Fimbulvtr War Chaplain runs {time:05:28} - Fimbulvtr War Chaplain returns

I will leave this for people though

[versed fiber]

!fuu

[blazing yew]

anyone have dps loss if you just macro light company trinket to dance? just trying to see what being lazy will cost

[spice matrix]

man does Cloak not work on anything anymore?

is obelisk damage not magic lol

[hazy breach]

Well you are using the trinket to get longer dances

If you macro it

You give up half of that

Since only 1 of your 2 dances gets the increased duration

[short radish]

only first second

[blazing yew]

i have it on another key bind as it is, just trying to be lazy. sometimes i mess up the opener because of it

[short radish]

macro it to a shadowstrike/backstab

[spice matrix]

ty

[short radish]

to elaborate, it's a strong immune for the first second

[fair phoenix]

!fuu

[short radish]

then a weak immune for the remainder

another example is lens flare on skyreach (last boss)

you dont take damage for first second

but its pointless afterwards

[spice matrix]

I feel like it was much stronger before... like full immunity from magic damage for 5sec or am I coping and misremembering

[short radish]

coping and gaslamped yourself

unluggy buddy

[spice matrix]

gg

[short radish]

it's always been like that

[spice matrix]

haha

[short radish]

isn't it great that our immune isn't even a full immune

[tribal blade]

it's an immunity when it decides it wants to be an immunity

[jovial marten]

!ui

[tight fjord]

What did I miss? I literally ran into the skyreach issue this morning I was pissed! Like, how many times have I cloaked the lens flare and stood in it

[vital sage]

sorry, can someone tell me real quick how to get novice combatnant's necklace

pvp related i'm sure

[short radish]

it's not an issue

it's working as intended

[short radish]

yeah do training grounds

verse AI

you'll have to win 6 or 8 times

gl

[vital sage]

thanks lol

[hazy breach]

It never worked on that ability this season

But fwiw you can vanish it

When you are targeted, but before it starts shooting

[short radish]

does it reset?

and go on someone else?

[hazy breach]

No

[short radish]

ty

oh yeah @tribal blade rate my 3min kingsbane

[hazy lichen]

whats TFD

[restive chasm]

Can anyone point me in the direction if there is a pin about making sure not to Secret tech on black bars?

[hazy breach]

The First Dance

[hazy breach]

Its fine to use them on Secret Technique

Not ideal, but better than delaying sectech

[hazy lichen]

what is this

[short radish]

my timings for paladins

if ykyk

[hazy lichen]

how do u track that

[vital sage]

do I have to accept a quest or anything

just do it eh?

[hazy breach]

No theres a quest

In the tent where all the weeklies are

[vital sage]

oooh does it matter I missed a week or whatever

[hazy breach]

nop

[vital sage]

thank you brother

[hazy breach]

You can also play the bgs against bots btw

In the training grounds

[vital sage]

yeah ima just do that

[hazy breach]

You can distract them

If theyre not in combat they will be "stunned" by distract

[short radish]

wait what

[buoyant leaf]

Anyone able to give me a log review? Shoot a DM and I’ll send over some logs

[jade oasis]

just post it here

[cyan linden]

dumb question - are you supposed to secret tech with black bars or not?
some people are saying u shouldnt - some are saying u should - secret tech bugs out on the clones of the clones?

[buoyant leaf]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nAB8JZy6QkNw1K94?fight=28

[restive chasm]

thx

[hazy lichen]

!bugs

[cyan linden]

!bugs

[short radish]

!bags

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

Idk whos saying you shouldnt

Yes theyre doing less damage than they should, but its still fine to use it

Its damage is similar to an eviscerate apex

[cyan linden]

ty fam ❤️

[hazy lichen]

do i have too much crit

[regal rose]

whats best way to sim for m+ ?

[short radish]

dslice

[regal rose]

ty

[jade oasis]

pretty sure you’re alright

mastery is better for aoe tho

[grim chasm]

log review anyone ? I am relatively new to sub/logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JWqVTYDACkBF2pGg?fight=16&type=damage-done

[hazy lichen]

play weapon master on that fight unless ur group takes long to kill adds

[restive chasm]

Has anyone change the black bars proc from ancient arts!?

[buoyant shale]

Is it better to use the guidon one sec before pull or stay stealthed and use it after pull and delay dancing a sec?

[abstract turret]

what do we think has more value from vault?--

taking a myth trinket that i wont use to save 60 hero crests (free upgrades) or a socket item

[oblique fable]

!log

[lucid jackal]

What is ur vault lol

[gilded fog]

do we craft 2 weapons or craft 1 and use whatever you get for offhand?

[tribal blade]

wait what am i looking at here

DRAGONS DOWN WOOO

[short radish]

an amazing kingsbane sequence of a singular envenom

[tribal blade]

hahahah

[tribal blade]

OH I SEE

damn

so KB was only buffed for half of that KB

that's sad days

[short radish]

im a good sin rogue

🤡

[oblique fable]

wait how do you do a log review?

[full halo]

With guidon + bloodlust, how do you guys do your opener? Namely the part "between dances"? For me it usually finishes the first dance with full CP + Apex proc, I send evis twice and vanish into shadow strike, enter new dance with apex evis into supercharged ST. This way I can supercharge the ST, but my shadow blades run out before the dance finishes off. So It feels like I'm trading off like 2-3 globals inside of S. dance for supercharging Sec Tech.

[lucid jackal]

use ur second dance at 8 seconds left on blades

In lust I feel like shit just works

[sharp sapphire]

hey does anyone know if Raidbot Sims actually take into account the 650-700 Haste Breakpoint for sub rogue because of the bugged GCD on Coupe De Grace or how i can make Raidbots take it into account?

[full halo]

Makes sense, and how/when do you use your Vanish? Is it okay to vanish > apex evis, or is it better used for SS?

[lucid jackal]

I just vanish when Im bored

I dont think abt it

[full halo]

Thanks guy

[frail bone]

I use it before some mechanics so I can keep blasting

it goes on someone else lol

[sharp sapphire]

Because not matter how i Sim my character it always tells me dropping below that Haste breakpoint that every sub rogue guide makes seem extremely important is somehow a DPS gain for me overall but that can't be the case i don't think

[frail bone]

it does account for it but it is accounting for no human error/delay in button press so realistically, fuu and other theroy crafters say it is best to aim for 700 for that extra error of like .4 secs of the gcd.

[full halo]

Oh yeah, I remember doing that in BfA, forgot you can actually use it like that lol

[frail bone]

I think the sim does for the .2 sec of the gcd if I remeber what fuu said correctly

[modest lily]

I run into the same thing. someone told me to just force it to use the haste flask but all that did was skew the items in raids with crit like rings to show as a 2% gain so I'm not sure it's a true droptimizer/top gear sim

[short radish]

honestly just vibe it

get your haste to 700

then acquire mastery and crit

[full halo]

I think someone suggested forcing the sim to not use oils

[modest lily]

I think that's in the faq, but from my understanding it depends on how much haste you have, but i could be wrong

[full halo]

Yeah, I think it really does

[modest lily]

for example, top gear is telling me to drop my 266 purloined wedding ring for a 269 Sin'dorei band of hope for 2% increase. not sure I trust it although it is crit/mast

would drop me below haste breakpoint

[plush roost]

guys its just a rogue tier

beloran is gettin smoked

lock in

[graceful rock]

WF 3 phase

[warm marlin]

what are u guys doing blud

no immunes?

[plush roost]

2nd mage dcd haha

[vital sage]

Just want to ask in general what makes you guys decide between weapon master / potent powder for first boss mythic. I think the obvious answer is if you wanna do boss dam or pad

[outer flare]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gW4RkDfHhZrXxnjp?fight=19
hello I am struggling on this fight. New to rogue

[jade oasis]

for guidon you want to cast it before ur cds

you dont want to cast shadow dance with out ur cps as trickster

u want to usually cast at full cps if ur trickster

@outer flare i cant figure out how to zoom out but at 1:04 u dance sectec and then hold for a very very long time, idrk what happened there but i feel like u couldve fit in one more dance in there and still be good on blades timing

this is very very very bad

[outer flare]

That one is prolly when adds are spawning so I hold cos idk if I could fit one more in before they spawn

Yeah I gotta see what that timing is for that pic cos that is pretty bad

Okay thank you for your help man do appreciate it very much

[jade oasis]

yeah just fix this

you do this a lot

youre missing out on a lot of supercharges STs

you always want to send ST as soon as you start dance

dance at full CPs and ST

[outer flare]

Will do better tomorrow on 2nd boss, thank you again 🥲

[jade oasis]

youre welcome bro

[eager latch]

you can just macro dance and st together

!macro

[jade oasis]

cant wait to see it

[eager latch]

sick

it's off the gcd

so you enter dance with full cps and just send sectech insta

[jade oasis]

^

[outer flare]

What I think is happening here is I’m delaying the 2nd dance to last 8 seconds of shadow blades but sec tec not up so I just send dance

[jade oasis]

wait

mb let me relook

[outer flare]

While sec tecing when it’s up in the 2nd dance

Could be wrong I’ll double check

[jade oasis]

no youre right

but i just saw something

[eager latch]

you wanna use that trinket

like one global before

[jade oasis]

from 3:22 to 4:11

[eager latch]

you send your first cooldown set

[jade oasis]

you dont cast a single dance

[eager latch]

the game doesn't register the haste buff interaction with dance + sectech cooldown

if you press them together

so you wanna use your trinket first, and then send the blades/dance/sectech macro

[outer flare]

Oh fuck mb then this is why I should use Warcraft recorder to watch me fuck ups

[eager latch]

that's prolly why you're struggling to fit the second dance + sectech into blades

[outer flare]

Ya farts hml told me that too I will unsync those

[eager latch]

oh aight my bad

❤️

[jade oasis]

yeah my bad abt misinfo that was dumb of me, but honestly it seems like u hold ur dances just way too much

[outer flare]

Naw long convo ty too

Okay gotcha

[jade oasis]

like theres a few moments where u hold for 30s

which means u coulda sent one and had it back

[outer flare]

Shit

[blissful ivy]

We never send a naked dance tho right?? So we press dance every time ST is up?

[jade oasis]

and then that moment at 3:22 where you hold it for almost a whole minute

[jade oasis]

except if blades is abt to be up, 10s or less on blades cd

then u hold

so u get 2 dances in blades

pretty sure

[eager latch]

i'll only send a naked dance like at the end of a fight lmao

if the boss is about to die and sectech won't be up in time

[blissful ivy]

Yeah just wanted to check since it fitted the convo

[jade oasis]

@outer flare 1:42 -> 2:25 you hold dance

so you coulda sent like 2 dances

just hold dance less

[cosmic viper]

mythic cosmos dead as sub lets goooooooooo

rogue OP

buff us jk we suck

[jade oasis]

send more dances

we love to dance

!!!!!!

[outer flare]

You got it sir

[ivory orchid]

Do you guys get off bosses and do adds and orbs ?

[cold citrus]

doing mechanics to help the raid? absolutely not

[obsidian hinge]

hey guys im having so much trouble on trying out sub rogue on this xpac

I saw one of the guys asked about using shadow dance without ST in cd

so do I just hold shadow dance till ST is up?

currently I do have low haste showing at 13% so cds dont line up

[golden totem]

Yes, you send 1 dance per sectec

This rule can only change during blades where you send 2 dances even if you have no sectec yet (usually when no 4p / no guidon)

And you try to sectec first dance gcd (can macro with dance)

Once you get ur haste, tier and trinket fixed you can check the accomoted rotation in #subtlety-faq

[obsidian hinge]

oh nice thank you!

So simply put, I keep one dance when blades is on cd

[limber folio]

i mean it has been for a long time no?

[stuck arrow]

Tanks starting to notice how OP So Tricky is lol. I've noticed that every M+ I sign up to where the tank is the party leader I get insta invited. LOL

[mossy zinc]

am i supposed to coup de grace inside of shadow dance or just rip it

[limber folio]

bears need it

[azure thicket]

so uh warlock pets are still bugged

started a 14 seat today that a pug warlock's pets depleted and did a 14 maisara where the thing literally decided it was about the revolution on 3 separate occasions and pulled for the tank

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-rika-wooper-clodsire-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-27308996

[ivory orchid]

I think when I comes to Vor I am never going to go for adds and just tunnel is that the rogue way?

[azure thicket]

best thing i've found is to run around and black powder adds as they get pulled

[ivory orchid]

My team thinks shadowstep is unlimited range and 1sec cd

No one ever plays rogue

[uncut juniper]

Nobody plays rogue anymore

[azure thicket]

step into the circles as they clear etc

[ivory orchid]

I made other mistakes for sure

[azure thicket]

start on one wall side step into the other as the adds die

[ivory orchid]

I just find my uptime is dog shit during that boss

Trying to team play

[keen dome]

Smooth larry strikes again https://imgur.com/E9ZsiA8

[azure thicket]

yeah you really don't want them all to die at once it's a lot of damage

[ivory orchid]

Good ole Larry

[azure thicket]

imp just decides its the great satan and pulls a hex guardian :||||

[ivory orchid]

He was the real leader of the burning crusade

Sargeras answers to him

[stuck arrow]

Would rather get invited because they expect me to blast, but I take easy group invites all day lol.

[dry flame]

https://tenor.com/view/suicidal-penguin-suicidal-penguin-mountain-penguin-suicidal-penguin-suicide-penguin-gif-9523583683405012896

Quick question, do we follow the Guidon logic for M+? About chaining dances

During blades

[hearty verge]

if you shadowstep vaelgor and ur targeted with dread breath does it face the opposite way?

[wild vine]

You wouldnt want to play Guidon in m+

Box is better and two passive trinkets aswell probably

[keen dome]

If only trinkets existed to drop

[azure thicket]

someone said a while back that raw stat trinkets are preferred for aoe

[keen dome]

I'm using guidon in M+ because

1. I'm bad
2. I hate box
3. I hate how it adds cognitive load in pugs
4. Box bad

[wild vine]

I have yet to see a gaze actually (not vault) drop or a Guidon even

[mystic birch]

guys I wanted to ask as im always lost what to do, in m+ when you have a boss which is 2 or 3 (like in MC, Seat, WS) should I be Shadowstriking/backstabing > evis or shuriken > evis or shuriken > black powder

[keen dome]

I've seen 1 Guidon drop, not a single G aze.

I am using the 1 guidon which dropped

[wild vine]

Yeah well, still double passive then ig

[keen dome]

Yeah

I think if I could get it I'd run Gaze + Plume for M+

[azure thicket]

box isn't too evil to play around with but it's feels bad if you're trying to get a pre-box/restealth every time it's up

[keen dome]

Running this as a passive right now.

[azure thicket]

just start with full combos/in melee for the sec tec and hwing it

[keen dome]

It's so bad

[wild vine]

In both those cases shadowstrike/shuriken - > bp

[short radish]

bro surely champ crucible trinket sims more

[signal heath]

lol 1 second wildddd

[keen dome]

Whenever I simmed it, it simmed like, 200+ damage more

And I assume it's the agi

That said, in the 13/14's I've done with box and then with Guidon my damage is higher with Guidon which, uh, is prbably a skill issue more than anything else

[wild vine]

Did you sim with the perks?

[azure thicket]

135 crit it gives is a flask's amount i think?

[mystic birch]

ok probably i agree for bosses that dont share HP, but lets say in SEAT where the aoe doesnt necessarily matte - would you Shadowstrike or shuriken into BP or evis?

[azure thicket]

which is kewl it outsims the skyreach crit trinket

[keen dome]

Ooooh good shout hang on

I bet I forgot to enable them

[wild vine]

Why does it matter if they share or dont share hp

There is not a single Boss where you would want to prio one of them

[azure thicket]

there's the trash packs after that boss that are worth prioing tbh

[mystic birch]

so BP in every case?

[azure thicket]

but yeah bp every case

[wild vine]

Most definitely

[mystic birch]

hmm thanks alot 🙂

[wild vine]

Shadowstrike is debatable to use on more than 3 for prio

Personally wouldnt evis for prio

[keen dome]

The seagulls are laughing at me.

[azure thicket]

yeah i was enjoying shuri/evis but also kneecapped my parse in raid yesterday

[wild vine]

There are specs that do it better

[azure thicket]

cause it feels great when they die in cds

[wild vine]

So you forgot?

[keen dome]

yes

as I toggled it on a bigass seagull outside started making a call

so it was fate

[wild vine]

[keen dome]

Fucking SIGH

[azure thicket]

for the revolution :b

🥪

[keen dome]

thank you for suggesting I double check the sim lmao

[royal spire]

how much dps you can pull off on Tree boss in AA? my gut feeling is telling me that Assa can do more but we making it up on later dung phases.

[keen dome]

Including or ignoring the add spawns?

'Cos that's gonna depend heavily on the rest of your comp

[wild vine]

I just know how dogshit that trinket is and that was the only option except you running 1.2k crit

[royal spire]

ye maybe we should distinguish pre Tree trash pull from boss pull

[azure thicket]

if your cds line up around add phases it'll add a big chunk of damage fwiw

[keen dome]

My favourite thing about the snot trinket is it does about the same damage as the Alleria neck most of the time

[azure thicket]

it's normal to not be top spot on that add phase some classes do just do it better

[keen dome]

If we have good AoE then I tend to just focus boss dam. if we don't I'll sit my dance + sectec to cover each spawn

[azure thicket]

warlock will hit 200k and stay there the entire fight for example

[wild vine]

Ngl as far as I've seen and experienced myself, sin seems to deal a decent bit more overall

On the higher keys

[keen dome]

Yeah, Assa is def the better choice for 13+ imo

Although Sub is fine, it's just not the best choice if you have the ability to pick between them.

[azure thicket]

on the 14 we had 8 deaths on and timed a death knight hit 900k on the pre boss trash

[hollow spear]

How cooked are fight timers in mythic this week?

[azure thicket]

tank still died lol, rogue dps will kinda yo yo on that fight from what i've seen to add a last anecdote

[tidal solstice]

Yeah DK on pre boss add fight in AA is just bonkers.

I’m like “am I even a dps class wtf”

[dry flame]

Did drop on myth this week actually - several people rolled over 95 🙃

(I wasnt one of them)

[azure thicket]

think im gonna craft pants this week getting 2-4 item levels up is gonna put 15-16 bracket in the bag imo

[wild vine]

Gotta see if it maybe drops this week

[keen dome]

I'm thinking I craft pants on reset, too.

Unless I do mad things and use my Voraious lock to do a BoE farm

[azure thicket]

big true we're voting on doing the same this weekend as an extra day type thing

[keen dome]

Rogues did win the loot lottery from a pugging perspecitve.

Boss 1 Voidspire? Helm/cloak/boots/BiS trinket
Boss 2 Voidspire? Tier Glove/Dagger
Chimarius, on a different lockout? Chest/belt/BiST Trinket

All of which are supremely puggable.

If Baloren becomes remotely puggable then you can, without any huge risk, get 2 vault slots on Myth without much stress for some extremely good items

[wild vine]

I tried to pug Chim as an alt run

[azure thicket]

how hard is myth chimarrus by the way

[wild vine]

It was miserable

[wild vine]

Easy in itself

[keen dome]

@dry flame the puglord expert knows more than I.

[azure thicket]

its just down phase pug blender or something else?

[keen dome]

I've yet to kill it in a pug, going to try this week.

[short radish]

did it in a group with 1 DK

[keen dome]

From the sound of it, it's almost entirely just kicks in pugs.

[azure thicket]

yeah we had the dispell game in check for boss 1 so we might send it tomorrow idk what's the goal cause we got crown down on heroic too

[wild vine]

Kinda

[short radish]

you just gotta drill into all the ranged monkeys

DO NOT KICK ADD WHEN IT GETS IN MELEE

[dry flame]

I have the boe pants on myth - they Sim lower than the Seat pants on hero track

[keen dome]

BoE pants are randomized statting, though

I.e., they can roll all the combinations

[dry flame]

Ah I see

Yeah I got super heavy haste + crit

[keen dome]

It was a change they made in.. Manaforge? BoE's aren't set items, but instead a really dynamic slot.

It makes them potentially super valuable

[azure thicket]

i think it started in s2 with the one armed bandit ring

but didn't know they moved it to boes

i still have the crit vers ring for trolling with +1 to flips

[keen dome]

Yeee. Manafroge had huge value 'cos one of the BoE's was a ring iirc

[dry flame]

Btw, is Belo Myth puggable after nerfs?

[sharp ravine]

[dry flame]

waiting for the day it is, already saved on myth for the rest

[keen dome]

I imagine Belo'll be puggable after 12.0.5

With some more nerfs, more gear, and raid buff

Not easily puggable. But puggable.

[jade oasis]

i feel like such. a super chud in aoe

[dark creek]

If i check my logs using analyzer i see a lot:

Good Shadow Dance usage! You could have cast one more ability during this Shadow Dance.

But im pretty sure i couldnt fit another cast.. or is it because i dont have secret tec and shadow dance macroed together?

[sharp ravine]

Could

Or not enough haste

[jade oasis]

i would macro them together bc dance is ogcd

so u could be delaying 1 gcd

bro just /cast shadow dance
/cast secret technique

with capitalization

[dark creek]

So you have 2 bindings for sd without st or you always press the macro?

[dry flame]

if ST is on CD, you don't need to worry about separate bind

[sharp ravine]

@vale pine Where's is the !macro ? Doesn't work anymore

[sharp ravine]

2 bindings

[dry flame]

just like Thunderfury

[keen dome]

!macro

[dry flame]

SD 1

/cast [stance:0] Shadow Dance
/cast [stance:2] Secret Technique

SD 2

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

[keen dome]

Huh, bot died

rip Moroes

[jade oasis]

i lowkey just have the macro as my ST button

[dry flame]

i pre-pulled your command

[jade oasis]

idk if im fucking myself

[dry flame]

i posted the 2 macros

[dark creek]

Sd2 is only for deathstalker tight?

[dry flame]

second one u use on empty cps

[jade oasis]

correct

[dark creek]

Ahh i see

[dry flame]

or if you are at 0 cp and dont wanna use ST

but yes, Deathstalker uses that one

[dark creek]

Aaand, do you macro guidon together with shadow blades?

[dry flame]

no

you wanna use guidon 1 sec early

before SB/SD

[jade oasis]

you use guidon before

what he said

because the haste doesn’t register otherwise