subtlety

[swift tinsel]

besides its stinky

dirty priest buff

would sell it when I played shadow/disc in DF lol

[shrewd lantern]

PI someone

[sweet moss]

how do i do big dmg on beloren heroic then

[shrewd lantern]

then grip them into awkward spot

dont you just send cds on cd

on bel

[cursive tundra]

works for me in m+ https://streamable.com/d8mkgm

i already submitted it to curseforge, let's see when it gets accepted

[stark osprey]

Nice! Shouldn't you be able to track any buff like that?

[cursive tundra]

i can yeah pretty much everything

[dense geode]

how much dmg is the Rare neck doing in logs or sims

[cursive tundra]

it's how i track vessels of tortured souls as well

[dense geode]

is it blasting

[swift tinsel]

very little

sub-1% in st typically

[alpine void]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dense geode]

nice..

[swift tinsel]

iirc it was like 0.6% in st

and 0.2%ish in m+

overall

close to Instant Poison dmg lol

[shrewd lantern]

how tf did instant go from 3% to 0.5%

i mean its a good neck purely on the basis that the proc is free

if you need haste

[hazy breach]

Either of the last boss necks are good

[alpine wraith]

yea extra socket neck goes hard

[hazy breach]

The lura one has an additional socket so its good too

[alpine wraith]

problem is killing it on mythic

might be a bit difficult

just saying

meanwhile alleria is on farm in 2 weeks

[tepid trellis]

alleria is a bit of a joke of a boss in comparrison

[alpine wraith]

yea tuning was weird

[shrewd lantern]

isnt alleria easier than bel

[tepid trellis]

by alot

[bleak night]

wtf

[tepid trellis]

if you are in a good guild alleria would be like a 30 pull bos

[hazy breach]

Bro theyre saying youre hard

[tepid trellis]

very hard boss

[dense geode]

If a rogue is push keys doesnt running 550 haste than swapping flasks to boss vs adds the move lol

[sweet moss]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1wPmG4rbjfyxHWAn?fight=47&type=damage-done&source=204 can someone tell me mistakes in this log

[unkempt oak]

anyone using an addon to track The First Dance? I want to see it "ready" between pulls, and its kinda hard to track currently in the base CDM.

[eternal frigate]

Hi!
Quick question, If I have the Guidon, should I reach a cap of 650–700 with it, or should I already have that cap from my gear and then use the Guidon to reach 1300? if I already have 700 from my gear,

[distant bison]

how is this trinket for m+

[alpine wraith]

not bad but change loa to mastery

[swift tinsel]

you want 650-700 with just your gear/oils/flask

[distant bison]

how do i change it to mastery

[alpine wraith]

think the crucible one is a bit better until you upgrade it

[brazen stone]

dumb question but people are using lights potential right?

[eternal frigate]

Thanks!

[brazen stone]

like thats our go to pot

[sweet moss]

anyone can help me out with why my log is so low here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1wPmG4rbjfyxHWAn?fight=47&type=damage-done

[hazy breach]

Yes

[cerulean lance]

my weekly box reward

[dusky yacht]

I feel like bel is just difficult as melee in general, but also it depends a lot on how well your raid understands the mechanics.

My logs were pretty ass on that too, the massive FPS drops don’t help. Gonna have to try and find a fix for that when I get home, it was so ass.

[dusky yacht]

Not bad

[sweet moss]

ye just didnt feel like i did alot wrong so confused af how i got a blue

must have missed smthing

[dusky yacht]

Does it even count the dps you do when it’s not on the egg? Cause if it counts it then my logs are perma gonna be ass on it, half the time we gotta slowdown on dps to avoid getting screwed by the mechanics. At one point I stopped even using backstab and evis cause we wanted to avoid something. I don’t even know what it was a raidleader call.

[sweet moss]

yeah same

but like

im comparing casts to other rogues

and shi

and i just dk why

[untold fjord]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[sweet moss]

Like there stuff is just doing more dmg lmao

[shrewd lantern]

is the egg even a damage amp

[sweet moss]

yeah exactly

just usally getting decent hc logs so its weird

[lilac stag]

kill times, raid killing adds before you, rng rnging

[graceful cypress]

Pooling is still a positive right? To shadow dance/sec tech with as much energy as possible?

[hazy breach]

The energy is irrelevant

Or well, you dont want to dance if you dont have enough energy for secret technique, but you dont need more than that

[graceful cypress]

Got it, thank you. Is pooling relevant at all regardless of shadow dance?

[sweet moss]

no

[graceful cypress]

So I just look cool and patient, but ineffective. Got it.

[sweet moss]

yes sirr

[lilac stag]

What Eleem just said. Have enough energy to enter dance and fire off Sectech.

[pulsar hemlock]

How bait is the vessel?

Are the souls that infrequent or just cringe to catch

[lilac stag]

Take out the Are and the Or in your question

Take a tier piece to cata

[pulsar hemlock]

Ye I figured, shoulders have speed also

[lilac stag]

bis stat for last boss

[swift tinsel]

manifested myth gloves, we like this

[vocal torrent]

probably shoulders over ring right

(I have normal shoulders)

[lucid jackal]

Ring is v good though

[vocal torrent]

and it has speed

[warm marlin]

thats a very good offpiece as well

[swift tinsel]

kind of a goated vault

[vocal torrent]

Yeah tough choice

getting my sims going now

[hazy breach]

Bonus rolls coming makes taking those kind of items way less important though fortunately

[swift tinsel]

is that in 12.1 or 12.0.5?

[hazy breach]

.5

[swift tinsel]

sick

[hazy breach]

Its not gonna be in for the start of the next raid

Its their "late season catchup" thing

[shrewd lantern]

are we getting turbo

[hazy breach]

Not in the same way we got it in tww

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's pretty much what I'd expect

[vale pine]

bonusrolls basically replace the coins

[shrewd lantern]

you guys got loot from those?

old bonus rolls

[swift tinsel]

like three or four times across a few expansions

[gray wedge]

The chance was what made them worth the 10k a week

Coining a mount was peak dopamine

[signal heath]

is ass ahead of sub now?

[shrewd lantern]

Ass is peak

oh wait wrong type of ass

[shell vector]

So I've been noticing my haste fluctuating between 17% and 18% and I randomly remembered this shit exists...

[hazy breach]

Yes thats why the recommandations are in rating

700

[buoyant leaf]

any good shadow tech trackers

or addons

[lilac stag]

CDM or any cdm addon

[steel horizon]

Speaking of cdm, any arcui users know if you can track duration of guidon buff? Or can it only track the actual trinket cd

[lilac stag]

You can

With a custom bar

[steel horizon]

I gotta play around with that

[void ocean]

noting screams "intuitive for beginners" better than this thing

[shrewd lantern]

i dont think thats stock cdm

[lilac stag]

Welcome to working around blizzards shit. WAs sucked for a long time and continued to as they kept expanding it.

[strong dew]

myth chest vs. hero Voidsong chain... Thoughts?

[lilac stag]

people didn’t know wtf they were actually importing.

[shadow lance]

Robot answer I would say

[strong dew]

i did sim myself... but still

[lilac stag]

You have to be careful with simming the neck and haste values

[pure cloud]

I’m sure this gets asked a million times a day, but do I just hold SB for puzzle box

[lilac stag]

The proc isn’t amazing

but it’s free dmg

[void ocean]

i wish they just admit the defeat and make things as they were cause these shannanigans are so tiring

[pure cloud]

❤️

[lilac stag]

Puzzle is a 3 min trinket on sub

[lilac stag]

They’re going to continue to double down.

problem is their cdm is absolutely shit

[pure cloud]

Don’t know enough about anything to know if you’re trolling

[hazy breach]

He is not

[lilac stag]

I don’t troll thank you.
I may use an over abundance of sarcasm at times, but I do not troll.

[pure cloud]

So hold the box for a third shadow blades?

[lilac stag]

Perhaps if you used the search feature of Discord you could have found the answer a millions times.

[void ocean]

does this mean we can go double on use like in good ole times 😄

guidon and box

[lilac stag]

Only if eleem says so

[void ocean]

ofc

id never do otherwise

[pure cloud]

Yeah I saw a bunch of people wishing and discussing getting the box

[void ocean]

come on Eleem...

[lilac stag]

I want double on use for outlaw

That would be amazing

[void ocean]

guidon is 90 sec, right?

we could go box, guidon, box...

[lilac stag]

If only it was as strong as prism

[night sluice]

I wish they removed all on-use trinkets

I don't like them

[void ocean]

nothing will beat prism

that season was epic, i miss it already

having 2 rogue specs good in raid, swappin between bosses

[pure cloud]

I wish trinkets were just utility like a lock portal or brez

[void ocean]

hell even outlaw was awesome on soul hunters

[lilac stag]

Ah we’ve hit hottake time

[void ocean]

saving 18 stack prism for that good pull in the dung

where walls start crumbling from our dps

[lilac stag]

And having the boss die right before your last flag

[void ocean]

i would look at our tank with a cheeky smile on my face saying "these r good ole times"

he would just nod

[void ocean]

haha reminded me on tantrum i threw every time we pushed dimmy to intermission on like 2.20

would still top the dps on Artoshion by far

[lilac stag]

That was the nice thing about being bshoutbish. No CDs to worry about except getting enough CDR for Bladestorm

Also the nice thing about current sub

[lyric iris]

shoulder to catalyst or trinket? 😄

( im not raiding man)

[tulip cairn]

yo guys do we use puzzle box always with shadow blades in combination or puzzle box on cd?

[rain swift]

thats what I do atleast, but i was just about to ask if anyone knows reasons why DPS fall off heavily after the first minute on raid bosses, im always #1 DPS first minute then i fall off to like place 5-10, and it could be tied with that i have no clue

[dusky yacht]

You’re serious?

[upbeat cradle]

use box as if it was a 3min cd

[lyric iris]

I'm not trolling, I really don't raid, I just got a pug last week and I'm wondering whether to get the shoulder or the trinket (since it's one of the best, right?).

[rotund rain]

so box is taht good even for every other shadow blades, on M+? I got it on my alt but I was wondering if to really take it since you can't use it every shadow blades

I am lucky for sure

[dusky yacht]

If you don’t raid how’d you get 276 ilvl raid rewards

[rustic geyser]

Trinket. Full stop. Zero nanoseconds of deliberation.

[lyric iris]

thanks for tips guys, love you

[dusky yacht]

[lyric iris]

I don't have a guild group, I live in the dark world of pugs.

[shrewd lantern]

well its the best trinket

besides a myth puzzlebox

[terse dirge]

for bosses that take more than 3 mins how would i use puzzle box 2nd usage since i cant use it prepull? just get 6 or 7 cps pause use trinket then blades dance sec tec?

[lyric iris]

It's very bad to align the puzzle box with the second burst.

[shrewd lantern]

box is just a 3min trinket in raid

sometimes in keys it lines up due to afk time

[rain swift]

anyone know how much haste is needed to get 100% up time on dance? if even possible / worth it (if the talent is worth it)? I feel like thats a reason my DPS falls off tons after a minute, i am always #1 DPS first minute then i fall off to spot 5-10 and get roughly 50-60 parses which Im not really enjoying, Im new to rogue as well

[shrewd lantern]

not possible

[terse dirge]

wym? we have cds every 1.5 mins and its a 2min trinket so your forced to use at 3mins right?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah in raid you have to do it that way

you strike then just sit there casting puzzle

[hazy breach]

Around 300%

So yeah

Not happening

[rotund rain]

he probably meant the second shadow dance in shadow blades

[terse dirge]

okay thats what i though, i noticed theres nothing in simc about it. it doesn't cast on sim at 3mins

[signal heath]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[hazy breach]

It does

[terse dirge]

for some reason its not for me unless im reading it wrong.

it just says "invoke external buff" but its showing it being casted after blades and it doesn't show the puzzle box buff in the globals after.

[swift tinsel]

lol its giving you PI

[hazy breach]

Well you have PI enabled

But puzzlebox is before that

[shrewd lantern]

does mastery enchant sim higher for you guys

[terse dirge]

yeah idk how pi even got selected lmao

[terse dirge]

sorry to bother you, but i dont see it casting before either

[rain swift]

question, for the macro where it is shadow dance then secret tech, would it be worth to put a shadowstrike before the secret tech? for the combo points or is that a waste?

[shrewd lantern]

well you want to dance at full combo points

and sectech instantly

[rain swift]

aah alright

[tulip gorge]

Guys if you have coup de grace ready but your dance window is ready in 5 seconds, do I wait for dance or do I just send it?

[rain swift]

i was just typing this question in as well lmao

[swift tinsel]

I wait the 5 sec personally

but probs not much longer than that

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

unless its aoe

then ill consider

i mean

pad

[swift tinsel]

aoe I'm an aggressive coup holder lol

[hallow mortar]

coup doing that much in aoe

[swift tinsel]

I convince myself its worth it

[rain swift]

if its aoe, wouldnt it be more worth to just black powder, build combo points, use shadow dance when possible the coupe de grace?

[shrewd lantern]

depends how long

[swift tinsel]

coup clones go brr

[shrewd lantern]

sometimes if you wait too long you could have farmed another coup

[rain swift]

yeah but say the 5 sec window we were talking about

[shrewd lantern]

or you just send anyway and hope for procs

[hallow mortar]

thats more manly approach

[shrewd lantern]

sometimes i still pre disorient

if wipe timer aligns

[buoyant shale]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[hallow mortar]

did not know its still a thing

[rain swift]

disorient?

[shrewd lantern]

its not as big as it used to be

[sweet meteor]

Does someone have the haste breakpoints? I'm at 672 which is 19%

[shrewd lantern]

in mfo

[swift tinsel]

Disorienting Strikes, the 2x guaranteed Unseen Blade hits from the hero talent

[rain swift]

aah

[swift tinsel]

it doesn't have a duration so you can cast sectech before a wipe/on a critter before a pull and have 2x guaranteed blade hits in your opener

[shrewd lantern]

technically its just that unseen ignores the icd

for the next 2

after sectech

[swift tinsel]

one gets eaten regardless if you're just strike->dance+secteching

but if any of the 3x guaranteed ones double procs you get coup very fast in opener

[hazy breach]

~700

[shrewd lantern]

or you get a proc from thousand cuts

yeah

[swift tinsel]

procs from thousand cuts get eaten in your first three builders

[shrewd lantern]

one time in mfo i had 3 resets in a cd window

fucking

nutworthy

[swift tinsel]

so that part doesn't really matter til after you clear the disorienting ones

[shrewd lantern]

oh

lowkey i still wish we got the double coup

as a trickster talent

[swift tinsel]

there was almost no shot that was going to make it in

[shrewd lantern]

its too strong lmao

[swift tinsel]

double UB was pretty much guaranteed

esp if you could double apex coup

[oak hearth]

what classes can dispell

[swift tinsel]

that's a lot of damage

[shrewd lantern]

they love adding rng set bonuses

[oak hearth]

trying to figure out comp for this 14 Pit

[shrewd lantern]

to sub

[swift tinsel]

depends on the dispell

[oak hearth]

disease

[swift tinsel]

bc blizz likes to mix and match for some really stupid reason

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

magic+X for all of them

[shrewd lantern]

magic is the baseline healer one

[oak hearth]

monk, pally, priest and evoker for disease dispell right

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[shrewd lantern]

no idea on priest

[swift tinsel]

I'm 95% sure priest can yes

[shrewd lantern]

best comp is just drop rogue

does feel bad ret and dk are just

better at everything in dungeons

than rogue

[swift tinsel]

well ret has a stellar kit for these dungeons

and just happens to finally be tuned well as well

[shrewd lantern]

ret kit has always been good

its just most of the playerbase

[swift tinsel]

freedom is immensely useful this season especially

[shrewd lantern]

thinks they're warriors

[swift tinsel]

well yeah

they also get flooded with so many procs and free holy power they can afford to miss a global to cast BoP

its so insanely resource-flooded as a spec

2 free divine storm procs, free holy power from auto attacks

that now benefit from skyfury

so its like a 10% dps increase for them

bc their apex is also based around an auto attack proc

adding CSAA to skyfury was an insane move

after having it specifically blacklisted from it

[sweet meteor]

So I just ran a quick sim, and it's saying to open with puzzle box? Is this better than initial shadowstrike, box, blades/dance/tech macro?

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter

[small vortex]

is there any way to force the sim to play with higher haste

or does sim not still go for like 600 haste before going for crit/mast gear

[lilac stag]

Set X to the number of haste you want before consumables
gear_haste_rating=X

[small vortex]

ty

[torpid echo]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd lantern]

im just glad their honor talents arent class ones

they get spell bop as an honor talent lmao

[short radish]

HOLY SHIT IM GOING TO CRASH OUT SO HARD

MY FUCKING PALADIN VAULT

AJSOKDJHAKSDHAKSLDHASLKDHALKSDHJASKDHASLKDJASHDASKA

[small vortex]

lol

[swift tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-demi-demi-demi-demi-demi-demi-motivation-mr-demi-demi-motivation-motivation-gif-17246715

[hallow mortar]

unlucky go next

[short radish]

MY ROGUE VAULT

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[swift tiger]

i dread the vault tomorrow

[short radish]

I FUCKING CRAFTED THAT NECK ALREADY

AND I ALREADY HAVE HELM

[hallow mortar]

xdd

[chrome palm]

cata boots op

also || outlaw || ring

[short radish]

banned spec

[hallow mortar]

surely i get better loot than you tommroow

surely

[chrome palm]

low key

im cooking outlaw on beloren

[narrow comet]

cannot decide

[dusky yacht]

Wtf poor guy

[shrewd lantern]

its very class thematic

[narrow comet]

i have 4pc, rings 246, gloves 256, every 13 ilvl jumps

[shrewd lantern]

crusader keepsake

and light company

[hallow mortar]

its only me who find simming anything complicated due this haste thing

[dusky yacht]

Nop

[hallow mortar]

it tilt me every time

[shrewd lantern]

its fun submitting droptimizers to lootcouncil

with a note that says

”my class is dumb”

[hallow mortar]

well that aswell

we want haste gear but haste gear sim like shit

[shrewd lantern]

good thing i havent gotten a vault that requires simming

[short radish]

no i just vibe on gear

[odd jacinth]

mythic Pit legs

lessgo

[short radish]

get haste to 700

then acquire mastery and crit

[hallow mortar]

you vibe on vaults too

[short radish]

shut the fuck up

[hallow mortar]

yxddd

[short radish]

[hallow mortar]

[fossil forge]

I gave up on 700 haste without flask

[narrow comet]

Are we fucking

[fossil forge]

I just run flask i cba

[narrow comet]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-wo-w-undead-gnome-horde-gif-14842714

[hallow mortar]

i have this fucking cringe alleria neck

on normal

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/extemporize-warlock-gif-21898214

[shrewd lantern]

i have renown neck

[fossil forge]

I have the mythic neck from saladbar so no haste there

Minimal

[hallow mortar]

you could do the pvp for haste mastery hero neck

fighting bots

[shrewd lantern]

well im wearing it

[narrow comet]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-midget-jeroen-travis-black-gif-3391331459314767363

[shrewd lantern]

for haste

i have the pvp neck

and a normal lura one

[hallow mortar]

cool

flexingf with lura like that

[shrewd lantern]

the tw one

actually you can get the hc one from dungeon event

this week

[hallow mortar]

well atleast its for free

since you doing weekly anyway

keys *

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

[sour valve]

Guys when I use a macro i dont put my trinket in or?

[shrewd lantern]

I just cant do 4 before raid

[sour valve]

I first use trinket then marko right?

[eager heath]

you should use the trinket about ~1 sec before you dance

[sour valve]

but why?

[eager heath]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=185314/deepening-shadows

Doesn't update immediately, if macroed you won't get the duration extension

[ashen dagger]

bro we should be able to pick lock bountiful chests

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[signal heath]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[gilded oak]

Heyo coming back since Dragonflight so much changed. Has anyone got setups and stuff that replace WA my new ui all over the place 😢

[west tide]

guys i got tricked into a 16 key

but it was so easy nobody died

[indigo wraith]

buff coming right XD ?

[hazy breach]

Change it to normal

[manic salmon]

you track 3 buttons

[pure cloud]

Sub looks better when things die fast

[hallow mortar]

or m0 xdd

[manic salmon]

shadow dance, shadow blades and secret technique

you track flawless form, escalating blades and ancient arts when it comes to boss

GLHF

you got the rest

to boss - to buffs

[gilded oak]

Just as simple as that? Just got all this new cooldown stuff and buff trackers popping up and im like wtf is all this 😆

[manic salmon]

ye well

[swift tinsel]

dont' even really have to track flawless form

[manic salmon]

the spec is still a bit unituitive but super easy relatively

[hazy breach]

No need to track flawless form

[swift tinsel]

since its always up when you want it

[manic salmon]

thats true

[pure cloud]

I don’t mind the buff tracker, but is there a way to import trinkets n stuff?

[manic salmon]

i just love seeing how flawless my form is at all times

it's graded 5

sooo

[quaint lodge]

Does anybody know how short a fight has to be for the first dance to be better

[manic salmon]

i would assume anything longer than 3 min is where tfd loses value

[lucid jackal]

Do u play TFD on short fights

Or still WM

[hallow mortar]

isnt wm much stronger than use to be

[lucid jackal]

Thats why I ask

[lilac stag]

what did the robot say?

[hallow mortar]

we played tfd everywhere cos wm was doing close to nothiung

[lucid jackal]

Idk too lazy to double check rn

[manic salmon]

whats wm again

[quaint lodge]

weaponmaster

[hallow mortar]

wagamaga

[lilac stag]

I think in beta it was 2 mins

[manic salmon]

warmode

[quaint lodge]

heard

ill take this as face value cuz no fights are shorter than that rn anyway

[manic salmon]

its just an m+ talent

keep in mind we also lost a lot of burst because thanks blizzard

i love doing irrelevant damage

[lilac stag]

it was a raid talent as well last tier

[quaint lodge]

^

[manic salmon]

i know it was

but our burst in opener was so much better than this version

double coup, danse, etc

[lilac stag]

extra dance is extra dance

That’s still strong

[manic salmon]

im not disagreeing

its just that other factors make it not as good as it was previously which makes me sad

[lilac stag]

then idk what your point is

[manic salmon]

my point is buck flizzard

[hallow mortar]

not bad

[lilac stag]

Dance is stronger, our trinkets are worse. TFD is still good. WM improved.

[manic salmon]

IM NOT SAYING TFD IS BAD

PLEASE RE READ WHAT I SAID

THANK YOU

[dusky yacht]

Just stand in silvermoon like npc

[lilac stag]

You said it’s m+

[hallow mortar]

but why are you yelling

[manic salmon]

yes right now

its an m+ talent

correct

[lilac stag]

If GN is killing a boss in 2-3 minutes guy can take it

[hallow mortar]

thats my tech

[west tide]

we dont use wm anymore?!

[dusky yacht]

#stolen

[west tide]

chat then why do i have it on my raid st spec omfgg

[manic salmon]

im sorry i didnt put 5 different specifications i thought it was implied!

[hallow mortar]

yes, please spread the word over the internet right meow

[lilac stag]

Do you have flag on your bars still?

[west tide]

i dont

[dusky yacht]

We’re rerolling hunter instead keep up

[west tide]

i have an open space where it used tobe

[hallow mortar]

you suppose to put your 5th dance macro there!

[swift tinsel]

fuck that I'm rerolling devourer/unholy

hunters are stinky babies

[dusky yacht]

Are you claiming a nice scent

[swift tinsel]

yes

I smell quite pleasant

[dusky yacht]

It is the burden of the person making the claim to provide proof for the claim.

https://tenor.com/view/sapo-gif-15065622896911975780

[hallow mortar]

yeah send some smell samples

you will be judged

[dusky yacht]

Let us sniff

[swift tinsel]

spoken like someone who would reroll hunter

[dusky yacht]

Or we close down this discord WHO’S WITH ME

[lilac stag]

chat how do you think this key went?

[hallow mortar]

but bro we were so STRONG IN M0S

[dusky yacht]

Were they afk

[quaint lodge]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[paper vessel]

ty

[paper helm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

The lock said something about Facebook

[dusky yacht]

And the paladin is holy

[swift tinsel]

had one of those the other day

[lilac stag]

just trying to crest farm.

[swift tinsel]

first boss skyreach

I'll let you guess who the tank and healer were

[dusky yacht]

I respect the hustle

[lilac stag]

That was overall key

[swift tinsel]

nah just first boss

[hallow mortar]

you are getting invited to keys???

[swift tinsel]

lemme snag overall ss lol

[dusky yacht]

I think he means that without the e

[swift tinsel]

+10 everyone at 260+

[dusky yacht]

Tf

[swift tinsel]

and we still timed somehow

[leaden prairie]

nerf sub

[dusky yacht]

Nerf sub

[swift tinsel]

do it please

free me

negated my burst by no one doing any damage so every pull dragged on forever

[hazy breach]

Sorry missunderstood your statement, heres another blade flurry nerf

[leaden prairie]

ty cuh

[hallow mortar]

rogue really look cooked at this point

idk

we need some holy water or something

[swift tinsel]

ope

[lilac stag]

Yes I have 700 haste

[swift tinsel]

are outlaw getting their just desserts from the whole not-nice-words thing

[shrewd lantern]

you know whats funny

[swift tinsel]

there

[shrewd lantern]

looking at wishlists and realizing

we might be the only spec that likes this shit trinket

guidon

[swift tinsel]

uhdk loves it too

they just look actually good with it

[shrewd lantern]

somehow ours it doesnt sim higher?

to alnseer+vora

[swift tinsel]

also funny bc rider doesn't stack haste

[torn tide]

what are people doing lol

[hallow mortar]

haptic is just gamer

[swift tinsel]

idk like I swear OBR gets your more than 27k single target dps

[hallow mortar]

what can you do

[swift tinsel]

was an ele shaman and havoc dh

[torn tide]

they mustve been asleep

i know those arent shit for sure, ivr seen ele shammy and havoc dh do like 150k dps in +10

[swift tinsel]

they were decently geared for a 10 also

so idk

[shrewd lantern]

yeah 10s are now

the pepegas are creeping in

[hallow mortar]

im one of them

[shrewd lantern]

same

i havent done a key besides AA and xenas in over 10 days

send help

[hallow mortar]

its 2am there is no help to be send

[short radish]

go farm pit for the ring instead 🙂

when you need to play sin

[hallow mortar]

wwhat ring

[shrewd lantern]

i have a crit mastery ring from firelands tw

that good enough?

also @short radish i have that ring

[short radish]

i don't

[shrewd lantern]

only two pit items i own

ring and cloak

[vague oar]

Is there a way to adjust Sims for wanting to have ~700 haste cause it's low key annoying trying to find if somethings an upgrade now when sims are telling me to drop haste

[tribal blade]

makes up for having an extremely mid vault

[short radish]

gzgz

did you see my vault?

[sick epoch]

Do we always hold secret technique to match it with shadow dance?

Or not always necessary?

Sorry maybe question is dumb and has been asked a lot, but guides say you use Secret tech just on shadowdance up, just wanted to make sure

[hazy breach]

Opposite

Hold dance for secret

(except during blades where you want to use two of them)

[sick epoch]

Okay, so you want to hold sd for st and 2sd chsrges inside sb cooldown

Ty ma guy 🙏🏼🥰

[clever garden]

is anyone crafting necks? or should i just craft bracers and pray that something better than my ws neck drops in dungeons

[tribal blade]

i did not!

[short radish]

#subtlety message

[faint gorge]

are we using phoenix oils or stones?

[hazy breach]

Oils

[acoustic lodge]

is occulusion of the void, ring any good?

[steel wyvern]

sick vault im jealous

[steel wyvern]

omg the paladin one is a banger too.... so lucky

[short radish]

i want to delete my char and start again

[steel wyvern]

i unfortunately only received a heroic alnseer trinket in my vault this week

[short radish]

bro myth guidon sims less than champion puzzlebox on ret

[short radish]

[steel wyvern]

unllucky only a 2k dps increase

[hazy breach]

Set is ok, does around .5% on st but doesn't cost anything

[shrewd lantern]

wait does ret play real wings again

or they still on that auto wings wake shit

[lilac stag]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[swift tinsel]

templar plays 30sec wings in m+

[bleak night]

raid is real wings

[valid falcon]

which tier piece are we not using?

[jagged crest]

Legs I believe

[valid falcon]

ty

[short radish]

both

its optional to play either/or now

[tight elk]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[tribal blade]

hooo shit BANGER

[short radish]

im acutally just going to play shaman

[grave cove]

Do y'all typically use patchwerk 1 boss 5 min or dungeon slice for sims?

[karmic harbor]

Don't worry, rogue brings atrophic poison

Is that shadow dmg neck actually good

[trim lake]

I use 5 target 5 mins to find AOE

[grave cove]

For M+ I'm assuming

[short radish]

dslice for m+

[grave cove]

Oh

[short radish]

our dslice is okay to use

[grave cove]

I mostly care about my M+ dps

Yeah I heard slice is only good for certain classes

[short radish]

yah i forget exactly what our dslice is

but its like

7t for 30 seconds

then boss for 2 min

then 5t for 30 seconds

or something like that

im pulling all of those numbers out of my ass

[north garnet]

Sub is great for m+

[short radish]

but the point is that it's simulating m+ as much as it can

rather than just 5target for 5min

[north garnet]

You have some weaknesses but it feels competitive

[grave cove]

@north garnet Yeah so far I usually top the charts every M+ I do. The bigger pulls the better

So far only ret has beat me once but I'm sure there's a ton of ppl who can beat me and I just haven't encountered them

[north garnet]

Im trying to push high keys, your damage will fall a bit behind overall once you start focusing on prio damage

But you get a job done^^

I wish we had a better 2 target

But overall i usually match mages and dks or do only 10-15k less on overall

[trim lake]

I am Currently sitting at 3121 not high at all but I do not sim Dungeon slice at all. AoE and ST

[raven obsidian]

Does anyone have the copy pasta from a while back when we were dooming?

[trim lake]

and use what those are seperatly to know what I should be doing

[north garnet]

I only sim for gear upgrades

And lightly at that

[short radish]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

also dw we're still dooming

[north garnet]

I feel like sims are wrong

[raven obsidian]

ty legend and yes true we are

[trim lake]

same thats why I sim them separate rather than doing dungeon slice

[short radish]

[grave cove]

How bout buffs n combat pots for sims? Always do unbuffed if you don't have a solid group?

[short radish]

bro r1 pots are like 20 gold

and flask lasts 2 hours with alch

[grave cove]

Yeah I went alch on my sham n enchanting on my rogue n kinda wish that were swapped

But I play my rogue so much more n get so many trash epics so I've got a lot of mats/gold out of enchanting

[steel wyvern]

u can have 2 professions bro

[grave cove]

I know lmao

[steel wyvern]

ok good

[grave cove]

I just don't wanna lvl alch from scratch n drop herb

[hazy breach]

Idk leveling it up and getting the longer flasks takes unironically 30 minutes at most

And like 2k gold or something, very easy to get

[grave cove]

Really? Dayum

But....d/eing is so nice

[short radish]

alchie is just flat passive gold

every time you chug a phial its 1k saved

[grave cove]

So is d/e with the amount of shards I get daily

[short radish]

ye also true

i think herbalism is overrated as aprofession tbh

[grave cove]

I play my rogue like 50% more than my other 2 alts so I'm constantly getting gear I don't need

[short radish]

because that requires active gaming

[grave cove]

True lmao

Fuck stop making good points

Fine you convinced me

[short radish]

i can't help it. i'm always right

[swift tinsel]

can also sometimes get free vials from Resourcefulness iirc

which is a free 800-1200 gold

[short radish]

i dont think we have that anymore

[swift tinsel]

hmm

[short radish]

i couldnt find it on the tree

but i didnt look very hard

[swift tinsel]

could have sworn I've gotten them from using pots/flasks this xpac

[gleaming plank]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

tbh youre probably right and i just dont have the skill

[native sand]

hello all, for sub rogues, is there a mastery cap? or diminishing returns apply to Mastery rating above roughly how many?

[swift tinsel]

we raid in like 20mins so I'll check my bags after lol

[short radish]

used to be this

[swift tinsel]

ah ye

[grave cove]

I was also wondering this

I think at some point crit becomes more valuable but really have no clue

[native sand]

it does, prob only need 1400 mastry and dumb everything into crit

[short radish]

yeah i couldnt find it

[brave sphinx]

do we ever send ST out of SD ?

like say SD has like idk 9 seconds b4 cd and ur st is rdy

[sharp ravine]

How does this even happen ?

[brave sphinx]

by being bad

[sharp ravine]

And you should send ST on CD

[short radish]

you hold and realign

[sharp ravine]

Can't be right

[thin spire]

Macro ST to SD itll help you avoid getting out of sync. You want 6+ combos going into SD anyways.

I have a macro for SD/ST and one for SD/SB/ST/Lights Potential

[pure jay]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[tall tusk]

guys why didn't we get buffed? Can we shut down the discord?

[thin spire]

We need it

[short radish]

we need rework not buffs

our damage profile is "fine" in the majority of scenarios

the only problem is that the only scenario that it's not fine is raid

which is cleave

we are more than fine in m+ damage wise

and our ST isn't terrible as well

but yeah also f u ck you blizzard give us a crit raid buff

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[lucid jackal]

In this raid specifically on the hard encounters

to be really specific

if chimerus was a hard boss, rogue is actually not bad on it

[short radish]

yeah

agreed

[lucid jackal]

To also be fair, thats an issue at largeg with like

Alleria being a horrid melee fight

and then rogue is unable to do low target cleave now

[short radish]

feels like that's a problem in the raid with all the hard encounters in general

except lura?

i didnt watch rwf

but it didnt feel that bad for melee on heroic

[lucid jackal]

Lura is good for melee

Rogue is like, super fine on that boss in general

Its just like, UDK is kinda better, ret is kinda better

[hazy lichen]

doesnt druid just get our raid buff + damage and heal

and its constant

[lucid jackal]

Its closer to dev aura than it is mark of the wild

[short radish]

yes but thats a separate issue

[short radish]

what about birb?

what you reckon the play is there for rogue

[hazy lichen]

whats the issue

our damage profile?

[short radish]

our lack of a viable raidbuff

there are multiple separate issues with rogue

both as a class and as a spec

[hazy lichen]

thats what i was trying to say druid literally gets a better version of ours

[short radish]

and people combine multiple problems together

when they are separate

[hazy lichen]

1.5% dam reduction 3% damage 3% healing

[short radish]

yes and you're not wrong

and we (me incl) have mentioned that before

[hazy lichen]

and doesnt boomkin give like 3% spellcrit

[short radish]

but that's not what i was asking guy about re: lura

[hazy lichen]

or is that gone

[pure cloud]

Even outside raid buff, no real raid utility besides selfishly ignoring some mechanics

[short radish]

our lack of raid buff is a somewhat separate issue to our damage profile/general melee experience

[thin spire]

Yeah we are doing great idk what yall are talking about /s

If you look at the 99th percentile of these parses we are 3 of the bottom 4

[pure cloud]

MFW I’m maining rogue and dk this season

[thin spire]

Only ahead of Frost DK

[hazy lichen]

crazy we doing better than dk but theres always a dk in raid cause of their utility

[pure cloud]

Yeah I get invited on dk easier even -5 ilvl on grip alone

[thin spire]

On average we are but top performing rogues are doing worse then top performing DKs

Our ceiling is very low

[short radish]

never said we are doing great

in fact i'm a massive rogue doomer

[lusty relic]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[short radish]

but there are multiple separate issues

and all i wanted to ask was guys thoughts on lura

without getting into another doom spiral

[thin spire]

I wasnt replying to anyone in particular just pointing those things out

[pure cloud]

Multiple consistently apparent issues across multiple seasons lol

[lusty relic]

you don't play rogue cause it's good you play rogue for the love of the game

the game of doing terrible dps

[short radish]

yes.

though last season

it was pretty good

[thin spire]

We were pretty good in TWW

[pure cloud]

Yeah I mean I’m always gonna play it

[short radish]

we had the lack of utility and lack of raidbuff

but no one cared as much because we had damage and also niche

[lusty relic]

rogue is never good, rogue is just temporarily not bad

[short radish]

TWW s3 is arguarbly the best iteration of sub rogue in a while

[pure cloud]

You almost need rogue to do big dam because why else would you even bring one

[short radish]

i cbf writing again

[lusty relic]

for the vibes

[short radish]

yes. the pure dps classes need to bring damage because otherwise why else would you bring them

3/4 of the pure dps classes consistnetly have this

guess which one doesnt

[pure cloud]

Then people QQ when rogues do well because there is an innate hatred for them built into every other class

[hazy lichen]

no way u enjoy playing flag

[warm marlin]

would it possibly be one of the two that doesn't have a raid buff that does damage either

[short radish]

i didn't enjoy it, but i also didn't hate it

[bleak night]

flag was like the least offensive thing ever

[lusty relic]

if u didnt want people to hate us why did you stealth around stranglethorn kidney shotting people 20 years ago?

[short radish]

our niche of absolute unga bunga burst damage

[hazy lichen]

bro honestly

they just needed to prune flag

[short radish]

counteracted everything else of the rotation

[pure cloud]

Because I was 14

[short radish]

[gilded ferry]

the haste breakpoint is in spite of having guidon?

[lusty relic]

yes

[hazy lichen]

wdym in spite

[fast crypt]

Hey subtley enjoyers, newer player here. can someone chime in if double on-use is worthwhile in any situations, or is it never considered because its bad?

im stuck in a pretty specific situation where i have a passive version thats slightly
worse, both simming around the same.

[tranquil sorrel]

Anyone willing to log review ?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/abhyD1tBLN7P2CdZ?fight=45&type=damage-done&source=6

I need to know why i got cooked so hard

[gilded ferry]

having guidon doesnt change the fact that we need that amount of haste

[lusty relic]

you can search in the bar 'double on-use' and find a lot of discussion onthis topic

summary: not worth

[lilac dune]

is sub still favored in M+ or is it falling behind assa now? no idea where to discuss this btw

[short radish]

depends on context

[lilac dune]

let's say 15s and up

[short radish]

answer is still: doesnt matter and depends on even more context

[swift tinsel]

remember when I was like "steal ring from paladins"

[short radish]

assi brings more funnel

since sub on trash is largly aoe

but also theres a lot of trash mobs

sub also still brings really good ST

[lilac dune]

yeah i'm just curious i have no idea really what question to ask -- more of a general question

[short radish]

yeah understandable

as a general response

[lilac dune]

i suppose recent buffs to outlaw + assa haven't eclipsed sub completely though i assume

[short radish]

it'd be something like "just play whatever you want to play. there aren't any real major differences currently"

sub is still very strong as a damage profile in m+

[lilac dune]

that's a fair answer, sorry i couldn't be more specific.

[short radish]

no worries

there is larger problem with rogue in general

[quaint lodge]

Did anybody do your log review yet

[short radish]

that doesnt bring anything to the group

[lilac dune]

what's the problem?

[short radish]

which is why it doesnt matter what spec you play that much

[lilac dune]

brings aura though tbh

[short radish]

no damage raid buff

no aoe interrupt

[lilac stag]

WE ALL SUCK

[short radish]

[lilac dune]

yeah im getting to 15s and up and things are becoming increasingly more difficult. feels really hard to stick to trash mobs and outside of kick pulling kidneys/blinds just feels not good at all. wish we had an aoe silence or something lol

[short radish]

don't worry we're getting it back in the 0.5 patch

[swift tinsel]

ye which is in like 2 weeks

[lilac dune]

that CDG macro with black powder too i think kinda gets me in trouble sometimes too bc im not close enough to proc the CDG

and dungeons liek nexus point fking annoy me so much

[lilac stag]

Back to farming crests for bench

[tranquil sorrel]

No

It was my first pull and it so happened we killed it

[quaint lodge]

Check your dms

I reviewed it for you

[tranquil sorrel]

but i dont get why i parsed so low I even did the AA min max

[tribal blade]

@short radish could you DM me your light's potential pot macro

[latent kindle]

do we ignore raidbots if it takes us to 16% haste

[sharp ravine]

yes

[short radish]

#showtooltip
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309

potion macro using fleeting r3 > fleeting r2 > r3> r2 for lights potential

@tribal blade

[sharp ravine]

Do a !log

[ionic wave]

bet

!log

[candid field]

Is crafting offhand with myth crest more important than other lowest pieces of gear?

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[sharp ravine]

Offhand is the lowest priority slot for sub

[arctic heart]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[valid yoke]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[raven maple]

What does the blue bar on ST mean? Trying to figure out why this guy is doing more damage than mine

[quaint lodge]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[tribal blade]

huge ty

tf my trinket macro just won't use R3 light's potential for some reason

was using R2 before just fine

i'm so confused

[lilac stag]

what if I told you there are only 2 ranks

[tribal blade]

yeah

[lilac stag]

so when you figure out how to use R3 let me know

[tribal blade]

just exchange R1 and R2 in that sentence

[lilac stag]

my ethical Chim parse was grey

but we got em down

[short radish]

i still tell people to give me r3 mats for crafting

since i dont trust that people know that

[quaint lodge]

wdym by that fimbul.

[short radish]

and if i ask for r2 mats

they'll give me r1

[short radish]

bro the crafting system doesnt make sense for anyone whos not a crafter

[quaint lodge]

This is true

It doesnt make sense to me

[lilac stag]

I made 100k on reset from enchants lol

[short radish]

and you think after 2 expansions of people sending r3 mats every time

and then you ask for r2 mats

random joe smith with 4 kids and 3 jobs

that can only play 1 hour a week

acutally knows that theres only r2 and r1 now

[gray wedge]

weekly box comes through

[olive canyon]

fucking pain, 2 weeks in a row

[oak sorrel]

second dagger with 3rd spark? or lowest ilvl gear piece? i have a few 266s still and my offhand is 276

[lilac stag]

bis ring is pain?

[lilac stag]

[hushed wraith]

twinket or weapon

[weak glade]

weapon cause its myth prolly no?

this was my vault today

[lilac stag]

weapon should be a bigger upgrade, unless you have shit trinkets

[weak glade]

so is ass better than sub now?

[lilac stag]

nope. everyone sucks equally

[weak glade]

well we all know that rogue is complete ass cheeks

im jus askin lol

sub is still prolly best rogue spec even w the other buffs

[sharp ravine]

Offhand is the last slot in term of priority

[oak sorrel]

i dont think any of us know that, because it isn't slightly true lol

[jade urchin]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[sharp ravine]

Sim it then

[oak sorrel]

wasn't responding to you

doomerman above

[weak glade]

lol

idk man that looks pretty rough i will admit that at least in M+ sub is good and fun

sub is fucking baller in M+ that shit is so much fun

[pastel lark]

But This is not the logs after je buff

[tranquil sorrel]

!Sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[weak glade]

yea but for outlaw its what a 3% buff st and unkown for AOE and 3% for ass and none for sub u think thats gonna do up tha thard?

I will play rogue and will always its just unfortuante w tuning rn

[median sigil]

we want to use the thalassian phoenix oil for our weapons right?

[sharp ravine]

You are looking at score arent you ?

[arctic heart]

man i cannot reach 700 haste at all, sitting at 590 and have no idea doing every combination, whats wrong with me 😐

[sharp ravine]

Yes but depend on your secondary, sim consumable is the best thing to do

[median sigil]

im at like 679 haste

[weak glade]

im lookin at score, the max and what thier averaging

[arctic heart]

@median sigil can you send me ur chaaracter, let me see what u got, cuz im going mad

[oak sorrel]

lightblinded is dragging down sub's overall a lot

horrible horrible horrible fight for us

[weak glade]

yeaaaa

thats a fucking amazing point

lowkey i literally swap aug for that fight lol

[oak sorrel]

if i could be bothered to re-learn it i'd swap sin for that fight on prog

[weak glade]

i kinda wanna just re learn ass again just for fun

i love ass

[pastel lark]

same and the ass fight on vanguard is way more fun than spamming black powder

[oak sorrel]

i haven't played sin since nathria

[lilac stag]

Use haste flask

[median sigil]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/ambushedlol/

[arctic heart]

@lilac stag there a way to sim flask?

[oak sorrel]

stats are ungodly fucked

[swift tinsel]

wym ungodly fucked

[upbeat sorrel]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frosty bramble]

A lot of vers

[gray wedge]

7 vers ig

[weak glade]

this is mine i lowk thjings its good

[median sigil]

i have 18.89% haste and 74.62% mastery

[oak sorrel]

feel like i have way too much vers and not enough haste

[swift tinsel]

if you have ~700 haste you're fine

[gray wedge]

speaking of not enough haste lol

[weak glade]

wait the number is 700?

oh fukj

[gray wedge]

650 for deathstalker? 700 for trickster

[weak glade]

oh fuk im at 600 lol

[oak sorrel]

700 for trickster because of coup bugging gcd

[gray wedge]

Yeah I am too

[gray wedge]

we love 1.2 second GCD for no reason

[swift tinsel]

can always drop ~50 haste and use flask to get to 700

[shrewd lantern]

the cursed ds tech

[uncut juniper]

I need more haste

[gray wedge]

flasks are so spendy

[swift tinsel]

its that or target farm gear

[oak sorrel]

if my haste were that low id just haste flask

[civic lava]

Quite happy with the vault :p

[oak sorrel]

easy fix

[median sigil]

with the flask im at 844 haste lol

[gray wedge]

I target farm

[shrewd lantern]

also i like how i already hate guidon

less than 2h of owning it

[swift tinsel]

why

[gray wedge]

Does it have a cast time?

[shrewd lantern]

the delay

[swift tinsel]

no its purely passive

[shrewd lantern]

is some bs

[swift tinsel]

it doesn't change how you play

if you didn't see the guys spawn

[shrewd lantern]

wait what guys

[swift tinsel]

oh nvm I'm thinking gaze

yeah guidon is dumb

[median sigil]

guidon gives so much haste tho lol

[swift tinsel]

they both start with G and my brain is fried from ranged being dumb as fuck in cosmos

[gray wedge]

distracted by the male gaze is crazy

[shrewd lantern]

good reset so far

[spice matrix]

blessed weekly chest

[shrewd lantern]

from champ trinkets

[swift tinsel]

cannot fathom wanting to get adds onto the bosses so they take giga damage

[weak glade]

.....

[swift tinsel]

instead face tanking them in in the middle of the room

away from the boss

[arctic heart]

flask angle? 😐

[swift tinsel]

where they do fuckall

[gray wedge]

haste food buff

idk

[swift tinsel]

that would put you at like 800 haste

[shrewd lantern]

yeah you dont even pay attention to gaze buff

XD

[swift tinsel]

I just have a bar that changes color after 1sec

[plush roost]

Enchants gems get better gear idk