subtlety

[hollow spear]

Is there a QoL addon that automatically starts and ends logging when I enter/leave M+ and raid?

Used to have a weakaura for that

[keen dome]

Raider.io does it for me, I think?

[waxen hawk]

Its time to play double warrior arms in m+?

[vale pine]

should be still

[keen dome]

Cool. A buddy was asking and I was curious.

[hollow spear]

Why would king matter?

[vale pine]

the problem i see is inefficient tanking

[waxen hawk]

Coz drops the main hand and i have both weapong champion

[keen dome]

I assume it's the same as TWW where a handful of procs outweigh any other choice

[vale pine]

some dungeons give you a lot of restealth oppotunities

like spire

its rly good for tfd

[keen dome]

Yeah

[vale pine]

or terrace

but if the tank pulls super inefficient

its often hard to get tfd to proc

[leaden prairie]

mrt does it

[vale pine]

especially if tanks do keep 1 add on low hp and then pull into the next pack

[hollow spear]

2nd boss drops mainhand

[stiff stirrup]

fuu what are your thoughts on the high crit/mast build with around 7-8% haste lot of chinese rogues running?

[keen dome]

the cursed pulls

[vale pine]

think its fine for m+

people optimize for big pulls

which hasn't shown to be efficient overall

but probably does not hurt as much

[waxen hawk]

Are u playing outlaw with dagger as main hand?

Its a dagger

[stiff stirrup]

wont they fall behind quite a bit on bosses?

and while playing PE over the attack speed talent for shadow dance

[hollow spear]

We are in the sub channel

Why are we talking about outlaw gearing?

[waxen hawk]

Looooool mb

hahahahahaha

[tribal blade]

i'm assuming they pull stuff on top of bosses to account for that

[jaunty heath]

btw guys isnt it weird, when everyone in your guild blast than everyone parse is scuffed 😄

[tribal blade]

because if you run 8% haste with PE yeah you're doing negative ST dam

[jaunty heath]

we are killing bosses so fast

[stiff stirrup]

yea makes sense

[tribal blade]

yeah partly why parsing is a meme

like my parse is fucked for chim because my group set didn't go down the final time before enrage to deal with adds

we just stayed up to do boss dam

still blue parsed, but still

[jaunty heath]

like how im competing with others when i dont get last apm phase with pot on king

[tribal blade]

you can't

it's impossible

but so long as the boss dies

doesn't matter

[fleet acorn]

does anyone know what cdm tracker can show me trinket/pot buffs? im using bcdm and somehow it cant do that or show even supercharged combo points (with 0 cps)

[tribal blade]

just kinda feelsbad moment 🙁

[jaunty heath]

yeah i know, our RL knows we are blasters but than you open our logs and everybody blue

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing he doesn't give a shit lol

if the bosses are dying that fast

[jaunty heath]

i feel like i could do dmg on dwagons

im topping orbs with lock

[tribal blade]

that feels like a parse monkey fight too

[short radish]

[fiery fog]

Blue log but ranked something between 20 and 60 of all logged rogue kills

[short radish]

this happens to me as well

and your brain freezes for like 2 seconds

going what the fuck do i do now

[leaden prairie]

xd

[barren haven]

Elvui does show u supercharged cp in their built in cp tracker.

Personally I track trinkets and pots with elvui action bar (15 enabled), resize / move them to cd manager and just drag them in there.

But bcdm can show u that too I think

The built in cdm cannot track that tho

[fleet acorn]

yea i was looking and posted in discord on uuf - but bcdm cannot show pot buff or trinket buff

[tribal blade]

is it guaranteed to get the energy bomb thing on vex in AA now

because every time i've been in there

i get every single one

without fail

no meme

[barren haven]

Oh rly? There is an option in bcdm settings for trinket tracking, but I didn’t know that it doesn’t work

[fleet acorn]

it only tracks the trinket itself like this

i even try to use sensei bar now but it seems i cannot even change the layout to another frame thisone is so ugly

i want the betterblizz one

[barren haven]

I see

Ye I’m not a huge fan of 67 addons still, even now that they took WA from us

So I just use this elvui workaround

[wanton vigil]

ayijecdm can add buffs by ID I believe

[jaunty heath]

@plush roost you played assa on paladins?

yeah ayijecdm is pretty cool, thats why i switched from better cdm

[fleet acorn]

doess ayije has a combo point barr/energy too ?

or u use sensei?

[jaunty heath]

yeah

[daring raptor]

is it possible to change borders on ayije
Don't like these squared borders everyone uses

[jaunty heath]

you can change everything

[stray vector]

hey @fuu i saw your answer to the apex optimization for opener but i think you missunderstood what the person was asking you, and i also want to know:
if you have danced before the pull so now you have 2 supercharged cps ready, you do your opened you press your first dance you now have 4 SUPERCHARGED cps, you hit your sectec now you have 3, you use your shadowstrike, lets say you didnt proc your apex now you use another okay you send evisc/coup supecharged and with apex proc and now you are at full combo points again and you have 2 more supercharged combo points, do you
A) SS another time so you proc your apex again
B) send evisc since you are at full cps

same question for the last 4th supercharged combo point in that dance

[barren haven]

What is this spec

[jaunty heath]

idk im hitting dummy .D

[daring raptor]

This is my current UI.
I just need trackers for trinkets

Don't have a tracker to track the trinket uptime

[tribal blade]

still waiting for the cdm to let you track trinkets

seems like a no brainer

[vale pine]

you can do it for every finisher there

[jaunty heath]

i talk about it with him yesterday

i think he just dont want to copy what ayicdm do

[tribal blade]

mb i meant base blizz cdm haha

[jaunty heath]

i see, i feel like that comming for sure

[tribal blade]

i actually use mostly base cdm

[jaunty heath]

why not

[tribal blade]

i just use sensei's for CP and energy because the default personal resource display is not usable

[barren haven]

Another question to clarify for me: do we press SS multiple times until Apex is up? Or do we send finishers after the first SS didn’t gave Apex?

[tribal blade]

the CP delay makes the game unplayable

[lilac stag]

Right along side the rogue buffs

[jaunty heath]

yeah not so sure about that one

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade managed to get 8 10s done last night into this morning.

[tribal blade]

HUUUUUUGE

it helps that 10s are tuned really well for weekly keys

[vale pine]

i am not sure i understand, the optimization is using a builder when you else wouldn't

[tribal blade]

you can kinda face roll through them

it's nice

[vale pine]

if you don't do that, you don't do the optimization

[lilac stag]

I think I’m crafting legs on reset

[vale pine]

which is perfectly fine, as its only low in impact

[grizzled hornet]

I am using ACDM, and this is how you can track it (ignore the duplicate icons as it was exactly after the update)

[tribal blade]

i'm holding on to this upcoming spark

because my plan is to play sin for paladins

and who knows what happens with rogue tuning

[wheat edge]

I just want a CDM addon like that which has everything turned off by default so I can just get the buff trackers I want

without messing up my own cdm

[lilac stag]

||Nothing. ||

[tribal blade]

he's not wrong, write that down

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/this-is-unacceptable/2281465 my post is close to hitting 2k views

[lilac stag]

So 1/4 of all active rogues have looked at it.

[tribal blade]

someone else is talking about the same thing too

hell yes

[barren haven]

Yea, the example was „have 3/4 super charged cp -> dance+sectech -> SS, but Apex didn’t proc.

Then we use SS again to hopefully have enough shadow tech stacks / aa proc or do we send a finisher then?

[keen dome]

damn, it's almost hit KSM

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade in one of the keys I got skyfury and PI.

[tribal blade]

LOL true

[tribal blade]

huge

my 2 guildies i do keys with are ele and arms

[keen dome]

Give me rogue tank spec, a raid buff, poison toggle.

[tribal blade]

so i get the good buffs 🙂

[keen dome]

in that order

[jaunty heath]

it do not let me comment on US forum

[tribal blade]

sad

[keen dome]

ye same

It's frustrating

Or i would add my thoughts.

[tribal blade]

i can't believe that's still a thing

so weird

i wonder why it's still like that

[lilac stag]

I will say, enough haste for 20 second Sectech is extremely enjoyable

[jaunty heath]

i gave you like tho

[lilac stag]

idc what robot says

[keen dome]

Maybe we should just copy Prophet's post to the EU forums

[tribal blade]

also it's not letting me write this

excuse me

[keen dome]

lmao

[lilac stag]

Just fork it over

[tribal blade]

is this real life

"is it a complete sentence?"

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU

[keen dome]

It's 'cos all capitals.

[lilac stag]

Stop yelling grandpa

[tribal blade]

lol

ok let's try again

[vale pine]

you would only use strike if you are sure to have enough stacks

[tribal blade]

ok yeah

[keen dome]

I don't want to go to work today. They've changed how the bins work and all I'm going to be dealing with today is old ladies asking how the bins work now.

[tribal blade]

it's actually policing me

[vale pine]

oops referenced wrong message

but bottom line is

[tribal blade]

good info ty ❤️

now i know more

[vale pine]

you just follow the optimization

if you meet all criteria

e.g. if you have no sht stacks

you won't strike on full cp

etc.

[tribal blade]

i like pooling a bit before dances just for that

[void ocean]

ye but are we ever low on sht, i feel like its always there

[tribal blade]

if you build to 7 and then go instantly into dance>sectec

[barren haven]

That makes sense ty

[tribal blade]

you can notice the diff

for sure

than just having a few secs between max cp and sending dance

[wind socket]

i have a quick question, so when ancient arts procs do i do 2 finishers in a row or do i swap between generators and finishers

[tribal blade]

but it's not make or break i think

[fleet acorn]

does annyone know what the background option on combo points do i need to set on sensei to look like the bcdm one?

[tribal blade]

2 finishers in a row

[fiery fog]

How do the bins work though

[void ocean]

we sneak in a builder between 2 finishers if DN is up, right?

[lilac stag]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[carmine portal]

Like rubbish bins or some sort of store-bins?

[dense fossil]

as a DK main, I will support your cause, because that may mean that one day we'll also get a raid buff.

[keen dome]

There's new ones for food waste but we've had them for years, but the bbc just put out an article about it so people are gonna ask if they're new lol

[void ocean]

but u have a grip

[dense fossil]

What you say?

[fiery fog]

Dk gets to be viable every tier without a raidbuff

[tribal blade]

thank you for the support brother

[lilac stag]

I’ll trade you atrophic for grip

[keen dome]

DK's have so many raid buffs

[lilac stag]

every day of the week and twice on Sunday

AMZ doesn’t count
Grip doesn’t count

[keen dome]

When I was pugging crown heroic, 90% of groups had the title "DK" lol

[lilac stag]

[tribal blade]

i kinda get the DK thing, it's weird for raid

but grip in keys is beyond good

[keen dome]

Ironically my group killed it without a DK

[brisk onyx]

i love move speed👍

[void ocean]

grip, cr, amz

[dense fossil]

Wait till they once again forget to release a raid without any grippable mob, just like in Undermine.

[lilac stag]

Literally working boss fights to require a dk

[void ocean]

try doing dimy platforms without dk

without dk raid buff xD

[keen dome]

yeah

I mean it looks good for us.

[fiery fog]

We have 3 tanks for dragons where a second dk switches to bdk tank so we have 2 mass grips for orbs

[keen dome]

After undermine? Every end boss has DK requirements

No hunters on the kill of Dimmy? Bam hunters mark wild

[tribal blade]

in a hilarious twist of fate, look at arms in keys right now

[dense fossil]

Yeah, that definitely sucked.

[keen dome]

We're gonna get the big buff treatment of +1% to atropic

[dense fossil]

Wait, is there anything important grippable this season?

[carmine portal]

aint no way that tier list is correct

[keen dome]

AND if we're good: +1% to BP

[tribal blade]

this is what can happen if you complain loud enough

[keen dome]

yes, crown

the adds in P2 are vastly easier if you grip manage them

[dense fossil]

Oh right the mobs, I forgor

[keen dome]

ye

[fair phoenix]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[keen dome]

Like not remotely as important as Dimmy but like. Super good to have

[dense fossil]

Yeah, I agree.

[sleek socket]

isnt it better for pvp and pve, to just get hero gear on a slot, make it tier set, and use varnish/lacquer on it? to use for both pvpve?
edit : i mean intead of buying pvp gear (champion for pve)

[dense fossil]

Also, can't wait for Unholy to get nerfed, I'm so tired of that spec being the meta, while I'm playing frost.

[sleek socket]

i mean intead of buying pvp gear (champion for pve)

[void ocean]

dk generally have a lot of good stuff thats why i like playing it, tho fdk, not unholy

[lilac stag]

Must have really sucked to have 2 dps specs performing in top 4 melee specs dps wise.

[void ocean]

not being knocked back is yuge in soo many scenarios

[keen dome]

Need DK's to be last so i can make "I guess they're... dead last" jokes

[lilac stag]

let’s not talk about UH nerf revert what 24 hours later?

[void ocean]

ppl struggling to walk run being pulled, knocked back or w/e, u r like fck off

[keen dome]

But ye, DK's have insane utility

[tribal blade]

DKs have that thing where every guild preps a bunch of them

[keen dome]

it's very funny

[tribal blade]

every tier

[short radish]

im trying my best 🙁

[dense fossil]

Wait, in Undermine?

[tribal blade]

CARRY MEEEEE

[short radish]

apparently i'm the filthy p*sher this season

[keen dome]

nice

[tribal blade]

lol remember when you were giving me shit last season

WELL WELL WELL

[short radish]

how the turns table

[tribal blade]

HOW THE TURN TABLES

[short radish]

hahahhahaa

[void ocean]

LOOK HOW TURNERS HAVE TABLED

[short radish]

idk i wasnt going to

[tribal blade]

nah i'm happy for you

[lilac stag]

Chat ban this man

[short radish]

then a mate messaged me "hey wanna do some 15s"

[keen dome]

I should finish getting 3k and also maybe push (i won't)

[tribal blade]

just do what i did

[short radish]

and who am i to say no when i have nothing left to farm except a necklace

[tribal blade]

and when the key levels become turbo nuclear hard

come in here to complain about it

[short radish]

hehe

[keen dome]

that is the optimal stratergy

[lilac stag]

This is when Sub gets exposed.
What are you rerolling to?

[keen dome]

Never Not Be Complaining.

[short radish]

idk everything has felt chill except AA

[tribal blade]

AA is a nightmare

[short radish]

my ele shaman is so ready

[tribal blade]

missed timer on 14 today by like 2 mins

[lilac stag]

I hate seat

[tribal blade]

because the tank was a monkey

missed count

and we had to pull extra in the last area

which is so banned

[void ocean]

the car?

[carmine portal]

how is it possible to miss count on a dungeon we've had 10x times

lol

[lilac stag]

And did they turbo boost number of balls on last boss in AA

[void ocean]

they added some visuals for the last boss, didnt see what

[tribal blade]

let me tell you about the tanking situation right now

[keen dome]

It feels like something

[tribal blade]

there are 0 tanks

[short radish]

bro unless youre a brewmaster

[tribal blade]

you'll be waiting for tanks for 30 mins at a time

[short radish]

you just die

[keen dome]

When rogue tank, though. Let me solve it.

[carmine portal]

Yeah because their solution to making tanks "more fun" is making them do more damage (not fun)

[tribal blade]

well it's a good thing this brew died in the first pull

[carmine portal]

I was gna try play blood but holy FUCK it's so dogshit

[short radish]

i don't feel squishy on my prot paladin

but like if i was to do 12s on that

i'd be fumbling

[tribal blade]

i've seen prot pals just fall over

[lilac stag]

See what happens when they have to play the game. Instead of WA for every instance

[tribal blade]

it's nuts

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[keen dome]

this is so funny

I'm seeing it in pugging a lot

[tribal blade]

we were trying to get this tank to pull the last pack onto the last boss

[keen dome]

"i wish i had WAs" says man who refuses to read the raid journal for a mechanic that's "soak a big circle"

[tribal blade]

because we had like 4:30 left

[void ocean]

last night did AA +7, first boss trash pull tank died and ragequit

[tribal blade]

and he said "impossible"

so went into the boss with 2 mins

which is even more impossible

[keen dome]

as is the way

The natural way of AA is the tank rushes to tree boss. Pulls everything. Dies instantly. Drops a slur. Ragequits the key.

[carmine portal]

I just wish tanking was fun 😢

[void ocean]

but that first boss in AA soo good for padding 😄

[lilac stag]

We got our prot warrior (usually fury) going and he’s having fun with it

[celest mulch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[void ocean]

just use regular dance in the opener and germinating starts just as sec tech comes back 😄

[tribal blade]

it's so tempting to just BP your heart out in AA

but i was a good boy

and evised stuff like alpha birds

and the big worms

[lilac stag]

So you did less dmg

[tribal blade]

YUP

[lilac stag]

Instead of strike to BP

[tribal blade]

but still topped overall

[olive canyon]

You are a better man than i

[keen dome]

A buddy phrased it really well. She said "DPS have to be polite" and I really like that idea.

[tribal blade]

TRUE good point

i shoulda done that

[lilac stag]

and keeping apex rolling

[short radish]

i've been so ethical in these p*sh keys

[fleet acorn]

anyone know if i can add backgrounds to senseibar ? it doesnt has the betterblizz one ?

[short radish]

and it feels painful

[tall girder]

being ethical wth

[tribal blade]

imagine if we had old nimble

/cry

[lilac stag]

smh my head do you even do sub rogue priority?

[keen dome]

I hope old nimble comes back

[lilac stag]

you should just run DS

[keen dome]

Even if it's just strike.

[olive canyon]

i was looking around at logs, on mythic Vor - i saw you switched to adds at the back on first set but barely did dmg, did you mostly just sit boss and blast?

after that

[void ocean]

probably ds 😄

[tribal blade]

i would rather they put evis instead of strike

[tall girder]

fimb is a deathstalker hater

[tribal blade]

because then the builder prio stays the same

but you can swap to evis to do more prio

[keen dome]

Ye

[short radish]

uhhhhhhhhh

[tribal blade]

and keep your aoe somewhat still going

[short radish]

honestly i cant remember what i did

[jaunty heath]

fim are you padding now

[short radish]

only ethically

if i hear the RL say "adds need to die"

i kill adds

else im tunnelling

[jaunty heath]

i see

[tribal blade]

it would feel good to know you can choose to full prio something and you don't lose all your aoe

[void ocean]

boss needs to die too, rofl

[tribal blade]

just become discount outlaw lol

[keen dome]

Raid needs to live, too.

[olive canyon]

Just feels real bad to go back, dance sec tec and feel likeits somewhat meh

[void ocean]

not everyone

[tall girder]

fim is ur belt myth craft yet

[fiery fog]

The small orbs on saladbar need to die too! (They get cleaved anyway but sectec it is)

[tall girder]

or is it still hero

[short radish]

i also only really swapped if i was in a position to swap without losing any damage/dance duration

[void ocean]

surviving is optional

[olive canyon]

sectechits hard but outside of that i feel lika wet noodle on those adds

[short radish]

its hero

[tall girder]

my goat....

[short radish]

im not making that myth for a month

or more

[tall girder]

im craftin a myth warglaive soon

[short radish]

i made it by accident as well

[tall girder]

oh might as swap to feral now then gg

[fiery fog]

I somehow did it too but it must have taken the hero crests by itself because i for sure didnt select those lmao

[short radish]

ngl i also swapped so that I wouldn't be called out for not swapping

even if im auto attacking and doing 0 damage

[void ocean]

fckers checkin logs n shit

[short radish]

i'm over there and won't be called out

[carmine portal]

bro i saw a feral doing disgusting numbers in a key yday

[void ocean]

cant even properly slack

[carmine portal]

couldn't even get my DOTs rolling before stuff was dead

[tall girder]

what level keys

[worldly hinge]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[olive canyon]

For sure, ive been moving back but the 2nd set cd's come up

[carmine portal]

13s

[olive canyon]

and i was wondering how others played it

[tall girder]

i swapped to every add set and just stood there auto attacking

[jaunty heath]

i was called for kicks on king, so i started shadowstep kicking 😄

still managed only one 😄

[grizzled hornet]

it really depends on your RL, for example on our kill i was asked to go back on wave 1 of adds ONLY if i had a fixate in order to kill add back in the wall

[short radish]

thats a cursed timeline

[olive canyon]

i belive thats what we are switching to as we lack boss dmg and i was ploughing

[jaunty heath]

@leaden prairie why i have to follow to be able to comment on your stream, turn it off OR

[olive canyon]

Am i wrong in thinking we can get 5 shadowblades off in the fight (0 90 180 270 360 - boss dies around 378 sec

[grizzled hornet]

4, you will be ignoring 3rd wave of adds to blast boss

[olive canyon]

Just trying to work out if Fimbuls play is more optimal, clearly was as he wrecked

And he synced up last to blades with puzzle

[leaden prairie]

idk cause bots and shit

mad?

just follow

[jaunty heath]

i refuse

[grizzled hornet]

if u puzzle, u treat it as a 3min cd trinket

[leaden prairie]

ok fuck you then

[jaunty heath]

never gifting sub on your stream

[leaden prairie]

ij dont read chat anyway

ok

idc

:D

[olive canyon]

Yeh im nuts, turns out i was doing the same thing pretty much

i cnt do math i guess and i have been treating it as a 3min

[grizzled hornet]

u also might wanna hold your last sb to sync it with pot as well

[olive canyon]

yep doing that

that was mine

I just did less dmg, only a 75 or so on our kill

or rather enrage, not kill

[jaunty heath]

yeah fuck you zac never comming back

the music get worse anyway

[olive canyon]

im just making sure im not fucking anything up

[grizzled hornet]

right now, logs dont matter that much, you wanna kill bosses, i did like a green log on chimaerus but was rank3 boss dmg

[olive canyon]

I get that but this is more of an optimisation thing

if i can improve by seeing what others do, i would like to do so,

[grizzled hornet]

of course, i am not judging or anything, it was just a reply to the "only a 75"

[olive canyon]

Fair

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mVqr4fPkAt7acTJ9?fight=36&type=damage-done&source=13 vs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/61cKnACdwm93TMYx?fight=19&type=casts&source=18

Very similar casts, and break down and cd usage

he just way way ahead

so i was wondering if its an optimisation or something im missing

[tribal blade]

yeah i did something similar

[grizzled hornet]

thats 2 diff boss fights though

[olive canyon]

wait wrong link

Oh i got it

[grizzled hornet]

yeah we gonna have a long time ahead to parse and pad or w/e and its going to be better and easier since we getting tuned soon (COPIUM)

[tribal blade]

OR the kill timings get fucked when everyone gets more gear

and adds die even faster

[olive canyon]

Edited

[tribal blade]

smile

[plush roost]

Yes

[jaunty heath]

whats your talent build

[olive canyon]

Same as fimbuls

[jaunty heath]

is it like this

[plush roost]

With Internal bleeding

[tribal blade]

is it worth taking the +20% rupture dmg

[plush roost]

U cant

[tribal blade]

that talent always sounds cracked to me

ah ok

[plush roost]

Not enough points

[wheat edge]

scent of blood or razorwire

that scent talent seems fake..

[plush roost]

Scent is 6% damage

Razor wire is never 6%

Without wire your pattern lifrrally becomes garrote rupture ct, refresh garrote ct, refresh both and ct

Repeat

[upbeat cradle]

@vale pine in average in a key/on a boss, how much damage does your champ necklace do ?

[manic salmon]

like 0.2

also guys

i am proud to announce

[wheat edge]

okay ye scent smokes it in both 2 and 3 target sims

[jaunty heath]

its just nicer having longer garrote

so refresing isnt scuffed

[vagrant fulcrum]

you mean rupture right?

[wheat edge]

nah razorwire is garrote

[vagrant fulcrum]

oh wait you mean what char said

nvm I overinterpreted the channel xd

[plush roost]

Ye garrote still highest w.o wire

40% wipe

Wtb execute

[dense stream]

how are m+ siming patchwerk or ds?

[upbeat cradle]

dungeon slice

do you reckon that our new button to move DS mark will make the spec playable on crown ?

[unreal silo]

is there a way to implement +100 haste rating for the haste softcap so my topgear/droptimizer gives normal results? rn im just being lazy, running the default profile and using haste flask instead of mastery ingame

[vale pine]

i have not logged mythic+

so can't say

[dense stream]

crucible of energetic works?

[brisk onyx]

working in anywhere

[knotty marten]

you can just switch from default flask to haste flask no?

on the bottom

[silent dune]

would it be better to backstab however many times to get 6+ combo points before shadow dance + secret technique or should you shadow dance shadowstrike secret technique (if u are starting from 0 combo points)

because the latter makes more sense to me but the guide says to only cast shadow dance on 6+ combo points

[shadow lance]

Just hold 6+cp before spending dance

[short radish]

i have some feelycraft that on 5.5 min sims puzzlebox is comparable to guidon

because you get the same amount of uses

[silent dune]

just sounds really inefficient because i've had times where dance and technique is up but im at 0cp so I have to backstab like 3 times

[short radish]

you just treat sblade as a 2min cd after your 2nd press

[shadow lance]

Like 3-4 sec before dance come up, you wait

At max cp

[silent dune]

oh okay

so just prevent the situation from ever happening

[short radish]

0:00 box
1:30 no box
3:00 box
5:00 box and potion

[silent dune]

if that situation were to occur because of a mistake although sub optimal it would prob be better to shadow dance shadowstrike secret technique anyway right

[jaunty heath]

anyone have issue that macro soemtimes wont do potion ?

happed to me during raid too

[shadow lance]

Yes, better than hold

[shadow lance]

Depends potion quality

Or maybe not in stealth bar

And it's sub chanel

[jaunty heath]

potion quality is same name or

[shadow lance]

Yes, but for some weird reason, it doesn't work

So i put the id's

[short radish]

#showtooltip
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309

potion macro using fleeting r3 > fleeting r2 > r3> r2 for lights potential

[unreal silo]

that does the exact opposite cuz its gonna start to cull even more haste. i want it to value haste more

[jaunty heath]

cool i had only this

as i assumed since name same

but its bugging

[unreal silo]

maybe i hand-edit a -150 haste enchant on some piece? not sure if it works i havent done that since wod

[dire flame]

I think most people are just looking at the sim and then manually moving items to hit 650-700

If your sim has low enough haste you can use a haste flask instead of mast

I generally just topgear sim a bunch of stuff then go down the list till I find one with enough haste

[still gazelle]

I've been defaulting to mastery flask.. hmm.. for raid maybe I should do crit?

Idk

[fiery fog]

Its literally just 700 haste and everything else crit mastery

[void ocean]

how do u prepul pot then 😄

[short radish]

[jaunty heath]

prepul pog

i missed pot cauldron yesterday, so i bough R3 ones and than was struggling with macro not using them

[daring raptor]

Why would you pot prepul though?

It's not wod

[void ocean]

it was a joke 😛

[daring raptor]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-my-head-gif-26041934

[unreal silo]

never turn 35 guys. its rough

[fiery fog]

First week logs where half the logs are padding like maniacs

[short radish]

okay mate you don't have to call me out like that

[daring raptor]

Don't worry. the there's such a little amount of players who has killed the bosses right now. on the second boss your log is 35 with 79k. I did 87.7k and got an 85.

[tribal blade]

yeah the variation is really small

[void ocean]

always has been

[tribal blade]

my initial chim log was from someone in the opposite group

and a bunch of sectec dmg didn't get attributed to me

and i green parsed

[void ocean]

u sneeze during pull its like 20% parse

[tribal blade]

then someone in my group uploaded their log and i jumped up like 40% to a blue parse

[tribal blade]

lol true

but the amount of sectec dmg wasn't massive

[fiery fog]

Like for mythic chimaerus you basically need to instantly move to the small adds and sectec them
Its useless for the progress but good for the log

[tribal blade]

i killed our healer on the other side trying to do this

then never again

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/atomic-sneeze-sneeze-russia-russian-sneeze-boom-gif-18393496

[fiery fog]

You need to go on the big add only as melee tbh

[weak glade]

So we’re deadass not being buffed

[vale osprey]

Have you ever seen a more beautiful spread?

[fiery fog]

The small ones get dealt with by ranged cleave

[fiery fog]

This would be the perfect opportunity for a „your mom“ joke but i will refrain from that

[vale osprey]

Do it I gave you the alley-oop

[shadow lance]

You ruined it

[fiery fog]

I tried to protect him by sacrificing myself

[fleet wharf]

!craft

What's the general advice on the 3rd craft? is it something like legs if you don't see myth piece in vault?

[lilac stag]

that’ll give you your best options in general

[fiery fog]

Whatever helps you get 700 haste or if you have that already crit/mast imo

[lilac stag]

Just need to watch haste levels

or you hold it incase they buff outlaw

[fleet wharf]

what, and craft a sword or something?

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[lilac stag]

your not playing outlaw with a MH dagger

[fleet wharf]

we dont have an enha sham, maybe I'll get the 1hander

[lilac stag]

hi DH

[fiery fog]

You just need any shaman spec btw

[lilac stag]

hi Monk

[fiery fog]

Can be resto as well

[fleet wharf]

havoc doesn't exist, it's all devourers

[final pecan]

does it matter a lot if you squeeze in second sectech in first opener with shadowblades or its not even dps gain?

[fleet wharf]

i thought monks now use 2handers?

[haughty mural]

wait your guys dont press BIS on every available loot ?

[fleet wharf]

I feel doing that would probably lower my chances of getting loot in the long run

[haughty mural]

i wish

[fleet wharf]

just be on the loot council is clearly the answer

[lilac stag]

am on loot council. Is not the answer

[blissful tartan]

Does the Vessel of Tortured Souls sim bad, or just not good?

[lilac stag]

we generally take less gear

[fleet wharf]

i think it's not as good as sims might suggest, the proc rate and uptime is low ish

[swift tinsel]

Sim assumes 60% miss rate so it’s probs fairly accurate

[lilac stag]

It’s not good, so it sims bad

[blissful tartan]

I have it simming lower than the rep trinket, even when full upgraded heroic

[fleet wharf]

I think the saptor's claw or something from delve is surprisingly decent, if you have time, maybe try to farm that up?

[fiery fog]

Rep trinket is better than 90% of trinkets available

[haughty mural]

[fiery fog]

Just sim with adventurer gear and tell them everything is a huge upgrade

Easy loot

[wild vine]

Ye if anything the other option might be the skyreach trinket

[vale osprey]

Yeah it sims better for me

Just

[wild vine]

Sims 0.2% worse than renown trinket if the boni work

For me

[haughty mural]

plume is coming

[wild vine]

My dk has it

[fiery fog]

Everyone and their mom wants plume

[vale osprey]

No my myth guidon in vault into myth gaze from Chimerus is coming next week wym

[wild vine]

Through the delve cache

[lilac stag]

That’s what she said

[haughty mural]

good thing i dont need it this tier

[crystal bone]

i got plume

[fleet wharf]

is myth guidon even worth taking?

[haughty mural]

"need"

[fleet wharf]

feels like we only get the agi as a bonus

[crystal bone]

just get in delve quest box

[fiery fog]

Just give me gaze in vault and my life is yours blizzard

[vale osprey]

Man having the double ring set is actually so nice, have basically perfect stats for sub and assa at the same time

[wild vine]

Its still decently better than heroic

[eternal ore]

wish soul sim better, I hate puzzle box

[fleet wharf]

its only showing like a 600 dps increase for me from hero to myth

[vale osprey]

Prim stat is kinda huge after a squish - 2.0% increase on myth, 1.5% on HC for me

[wild vine]

Idk straight numbers, but its atleast around 0.4ish % for me

[fleet wharf]

I do agree that is an upgrade, not sure I agree with it being a big one

[haughty mural]

myth track > hero track

[wild vine]

Well I said decently

[fleet wharf]

yea, fair enough, i feel we're arguing over semantics at this point, we mostly agree

[vale osprey]

I think depending on need in your guild you could def not take it from vault if you have a HC one

[fiery fog]

Shall i remind you about timestrike on a hero dagger you could only farm once a week in df and was bis on oh

[wild vine]

Idk if many slots are much more of an upgrade going from heroic to mythic

[vale osprey]

Since it's only first boss anyway

[haughty mural]

[wild vine]

Big Budget slots aside

[fiery fog]

(I never got it and missed a whole 0.4%)

[haughty mural]

same

[wild vine]

I had it

After like 60 runs (exaggeration for all intents and purposes)

Not the worst farm ive had

[lilac stag]

got a blood DK? It’s thier BiS

[haughty mural]

our sub rogue this tier got the first 2 that dropped

and we have an uhdk

[wild vine]

Same for DH

Tank

And unholy

[lilac stag]

no one running Veng in raid

[haughty mural]

our sub rogue on the council tho

[lilac stag]

don’t be silly. It would be like running a rogue in raid.

[wild vine]

Ive seen quite some tbf

[shadow lance]

Other rogue received it, and he's not even in MM roster

Council just shooting in their feets

[wild vine]

Noone but upper WR raiders should care about what tank it is tbf

Even less important than the dps specs

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

well when it was a 500 dps for the UH and a 3k for the bdk. It went to the bdk

[wild vine]

My old guild had a whole drama about tanks getting items for dps gains

[lilac stag]

we just tell them to stfu

[wild vine]

After that they were the last ones to get trinkets for dps

[lilac stag]

solves the drama

[wild vine]

[lilac stag]

every tier we open up LC if anyone is interested. 4 seasons in a row ZERO response

[wild vine]

Idk how the new one does it tbh, didnt have that situation yet

[shadow lance]

Absolute damage increase should just be the point

Just fuck the healers 🤣

[lilac stag]

the heroic to mythic wasn’t a big upgrade and that tank is in every fight short of being absent.

so it’s a good use

[wintry heart]

Sub buffs today

[wild vine]

Depends on where you are in the WRs or rather where you wanna go. I personally dont really see a point in handing out trinkets for dps gains to tanks or healers over dps either if you dont need to minmax

Like who cares outside of wr500

[wild vine]

Surely

[shadow lance]

My point is more : I pref a biggest group dps increase than my personal loot

[fleet wharf]

I thought no changes were announced for rogues this week? like has stealth buff ever happened before?

[fiery fog]

Unholy amounts of coping are starting rn

[lilac stag]

only in bug fix form

[shadow lance]

Cuz I'm not selfish. More the roster kill the boss easily, more you can farm loot and equip everybody

[lilac stag]

Clearly Realz just wants to watch exile suffer

[shadow lance]

I dunno if my explanation make sense

[wild vine]

Idk, the diff wont kill the boss for you and the dps player can actually do reasonable stuff with it outside of the raid. As far as enjoyment goes, its a reasonable choice.

[lilac stag]

we’ve also had kills where the bdk was last one standing

[wild vine]

I personally sometimes get annoyed too even if I agree to the guild loot rules beforehand (I dont let it out tho)

[shadow lance]

It prolly will on first kills

Idk, we casually doing some MM

No HoF, only CE

[wild vine]

Cant say we ever had that case and I'm raiding for quite some time. Personally I'd prefer to not get the kill if the trinket would make the difference, because we probably played like shit then

[shadow lance]

But if I had to make some loot rules, I would just see the overall dps increase and go for it

But yes, shouldn't matter a lot

Complain about loot is useless

[upbeat cradle]

Eternal voidsong is simming very poorly for me hmm

[shadow lance]

Cuz you agree with some rules

[earnest prairie]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wild vine]

It is either way because noone will always be 100% happy with every decision

[shadow lance]

Correct

[lilac stag]

We just try to do our best for overall health of the raid

[wild vine]

Probably stats

[fiery fog]

Just give all the loot to the new guy and watch him leave after getting full geared

[shadow lance]

And that's the best way I guess

[lilac stag]

It’s quite easy to see who has gotten what and who has done what outside of raid to prepare

I did the pvp shit for extra cata. Bumped me up for prio on our team of 12 leather. lol

I still ended up as last with 4pc

[shadow lance]

Sadge

[lilac stag]

we’ve had nothing drop for leather

A few got lfr lucky

[wild vine]

On that note, I got kinda lucky with lfr and vault, but me aside only one of our leather people got 4p immediately

We had 1 piece drop

In 2 normal and heroic clears

[upbeat cradle]

Oh yeah i didn't drop anything in my raid, had to go for pvp and lfr to get my 4p

[wild vine]

None in mythic either

[upbeat cradle]

Tbh all of my guild had to, we only saw mail and plate set drop

Our 3 plate and 4 mail users were thrilled

[shadow lance]

Exactly the same

[lilac stag]

tier was the biggest headache this go

even with 30 in normal ya got 2 pieces

[wild vine]

Insane, especially with everyone and their mother wanting to play a leather class

With one more on the token aswell

[shadow lance]

I don't get the blizzard point

Why put token on armor type?

[lilac stag]

no idea

none that actually has any logic behind it that isn’t AI driven

[wild vine]

Idk if its necessarily good or bad overall

But its funny that for multiple raids one specific token was lacking

[magic cliff]

Yeah I mean either way people win people lose

I think this way is a bit more logical then the mismash of before

[shadow lance]

You put it depending the class population

Hunter with 2/3 unpopular classes

And so on

And so on

[lilac stag]

we had so much Mail Drop I think they all had 4 piece after clearing lfr, normal and heroic week 1

[wild vine]

Ye but that never really was the case, was it?

The previous tokens were all over the place or did they have some logic behind it? I dont even remember which classes had the same tbf

[shadow lance]

It just an idea, idk if it was the case or not

E.g : Paladin, priest and Shaman if I remember correctly

[wild vine]

Imo they could just remove class restrictions

Just have it be a leg piece token for example

For all classes

[shadow lance]

Okay, mystic one was a bit scuffed

[wild vine]

Dreadful maybe too

[short radish]

dude venerated tier is always so fucking free

i remember this tier

our paladins were rolling for secondary stats

while i still had 2 set

[shadow lance]

I don't know the class population but yeah

You swap Mage/druid with monk

DH with Evoker

And it looks kinda ok

I think

[oblique crag]

Can i macro my Haste On-use (Emberwing Feather/Light Company Guidon) trinket together with :ShadowDance:?
So in reality does this mean I should cast Shadow Blades+Trinket and then wait one second before using SDance + STech. I keep reading conflicting things about this, some guides and sources say it's fine to use SDance immediately after so long as it's not macroed together (a few ms delay is all it takes); but here it says upwards of a second.

[shadow lance]

Nha, you cast trinket, wait 1 second, press SB/Dance/ST

[oblique crag]

I see.

[lilac stag]

you’re basically waiting for the flag to plant

and avoiding wasting blades

[oblique crag]

I'm also wondering about the value of The First Dance in M+. I find it is pretty rare that I have a tank who'll give me 6 seconds out of combat to get it up. The amount of chain pulling tanks out there is crazy, and even if they let combat reset between packs, it's rarely six seconds worth. Would it be worth it to just drop TFD and grab the +15% crit damage from Finality instead?

[fleet wharf]

Actually, on that note, does Sblades need to come before sec tech or can we just send it before the clone hit lands?

[lilac stag]

Drop WM for finality.

TFD with 1-2 resets is very much worth it. And you typically get that. More if you try

[oblique crag]

Really, just 1-2 resets and it's already worth? That's crazy.

[placid blade]

You guys taking shiv in any of these keys and what do you drop to get it?

[oblique crag]

Is it worth staying out of combat just to reactivate TFD?

[crystal bone]

yes, you can also vanish before the last mob dies and the tank is running to the next pull and can snag resets that way

[lilac stag]

nelf is also giga for TFD

[shadow lance]

Should send in same time

But kinda whatever

[oblique crag]

OK, I think I may have misunderstood something about Shadow Dance and Shadow Blades interactions or misread a guide. Am I right in thinking it's fine to macro Blades + Dance + Tech together; just not your on-use haste trinket?

[placid blade]

the all-in-1 macro for trinket/pot/SB/SD/ST is pretty clutch

[shadow lance]

The amount of tank able to play correctly? ahaha

[placid blade]

yeah if the trinket is haste pop it first

[oblique crag]

Thanks, got it. Love you all.

[shadow lance]

uw

[grand galleon]

btw do we want 700 haste with flask or without flask?

[lilac stag]

flask is dependent on haste levels

[shadow lance]

With or without, depending how much haste you can get

If you got 700 haste without flask, you take Mastery/Crit

If not, you aim to get 700 haste with Haste Flask on

[vale osprey]

Are people saying 700 because it's easier to remember than 684? Because I've been aiming for as close to 684 as poss really

[mortal galleon]

!prekey

[lilac stag]

684-700 is the “accepted” sweet spot. Getting a little over it and better lining up Sectech to dance is another option

haste breakpoints on variable CD timings is fun. Too much haste and it’s a dead space of extra gcd in dance.

Not enough and Sectech isn’t up in time.

[shadow lance]

I'm in a weird spot I can't fit my second ST during SB

I mean, not always

So I don't and wait for next dance

[spare quiver]

simulations are better with 700 haste?

[open coyote]

how much better is guidon than something like puzzlebox? obviously if a fight has like 2 min damage amp windows or something then i imagine you'd save the blades anyway so the bonus mastery might be worth more than the extended dance you get from guidon

is it just a "depends on the fight" type of deal?

[frosty vector]

What is the best trinkets for M+?

[deep estuary]

Where did symbols and rupture go.. Decided to level my rogue and my action bars feel empty lmao wtf

[graceful osprey]

Fellow sub rogue enjoyers, may the RNG gods bless your vault

[deep estuary]

Did sub go from a decently skilled spec to become like BM hunter easy?

[lusty narwhal]

are we sending 2nd shadow dance in shadowblades as soon as possible or trying to delay it so that 2nd sectech in shadowblades is also supercharged? (with >750 haste)

[neat egret]

should i go for 700 haste despite sim telling me to go even below 600

[torpid stump]

Do you think it's possible to swap from sub to assasination easily ? Or do we really need a clearly different stuff ? And do you think assasination is easir to play than sub ?(Cause I'm playing sub for the 1st time on raid, and I suck a bit ahah)

[plush roost]

U can switch with jewelry pmuch

[fleet wharf]

dont you also want diff trinks?

[plush roost]

Assa likes crit stack, sub mast stack

Pbox assa

[wintry heart]

Didn’t all classes?

[shadow lance]

Less buttons but it was not hard before. The SD use is the main difficulty so, still the same

[shadow lance]

Only if you got guidon/feather

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[north garnet]

Grrrrr

Rank one on normal crown

[lusty narwhal]

@shadow lance thanks, exactly what i needed to know ❤️

[lilac stag]

Don’t worry. You’ll still fuck it up.

It’s more krangled than TWW sub.

[plush roost]

When i miss my guidon snapshot on first dance so i delay a little on the second dance and miss that snapshot too

https://tenor.com/view/funny-skeleton-man2-cryos-funny-skeleton-man-gif-27695831

[lilac stag]

my guy. 2 button spec.

[plush roost]

I hate deepening shadows

Like i legit would rather play assa rn

[lilac stag]

I’ve come to terms with it

I’m gonna try the 725 haste angle today and see if I’m less or more triggered

[plush roost]

Gotta do the bingus sim 850 haste XD

[lilac stag]

I was so busy with dog trial last week I was just happy to get my vault filled last night.

[plush roost]

Still not sure why its doing that

[lilac stag]

Sectech + Extra gcd (??)

[plush roost]

Nop

[lilac stag]

725 got Sectech down to 20 seconds

[plush roost]

U playing ds?

[lilac stag]

no

[plush roost]

687 gets sectec to 19 on trickster

Well, 19.4 or something

[hazy breach]

Ok im getting real tired of these fucking glass daggers breaking every third key without me even dying

[plush roost]

Omfg bro

2 pulls on paladins

[warm marlin]

im gonna go broke to repair costs

[plush roost]

Dagger borked

[inland galleon]

Is danse macabre worth playing around?

[hazy breach]

NEED to loot indestructible daggers

[open coyote]

ohhh so we need a lot more haste on the pure ST DS build

[hazy breach]

No

DS needs less

[lilac stag]

Too many auto attacks

[open coyote]

huh

[plush roost]

Actuslly no ds wants less

[swift tinsel]

I just drop auto-hammers mid dungeon jic

[hazy breach]

Because you dont care about the sectech as much

And you dont have 1.2s coups

[lilac stag]

I need to make Jeeves this week

[open coyote]

so i should just send 2nd dance asap during blades when playing DS?

.

[swift tinsel]

it is fucking insane how often they need repair now though

[open coyote]

wait i messed up some names there

[swift tinsel]

I eat through guild repairs so fast

[warm marlin]

look at this banger i found while looking at some other stuff recently #subtlety message

[plush roost]

U wanna supercharge dn when applicable

[inland glacier]

What's the best craft for today, guys?

[open coyote]

yeah that's what i meant to write for some reason i wrote the opposite

[lilac stag]

Nothing

[dusky yacht]

Man I was sweating my ass off as assas every m+ trying to barely stay 2nd in dps and now I do my first m+ as sub and I'm top dps overall with 35% damage done and 117k dps

[lilac stag]

Wait for outlaw to get tuned.

[open coyote]

so just send the 2nd dance during blades when i can get a charge for DN

[neat egret]

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button
how does this work, both go off?

[open coyote]

and make sure to get the apex reset thingy for it too

[inland galleon]

Also a rogue friend was telling me there’s some special interaction with the lights trinket from raid, is there a !command I can read about it

[plush roost]

Who could have seen this coming

[dusky yacht]

It casts coup if coup is available

[reef walrus]

CDG is first, so whenever CDG is available, it casts that

[hollow spear]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[dusky yacht]

Like the US

[warm marlin]

truly no one could have predicted this outcome

[hazy breach]

We love breakpoints

[neat egret]

lol ok i just read the hero talent capstone i didnt know it didnt need full combo points xd

[hollow spear]

I've reached my breaking point

[open coyote]

it's a "do this, then do this" macro, so it does the first thing which is to use coup, but if you don't have a coup proc then it can't use coup, so then it just uses the 2nd spell (BP)

[lilac stag]

How’s pirate life?

[plush roost]

Im benched for alleria

[warm marlin]

It's a nice change of pace that distracts me a bit from the monotony of sub in keys

[plush roost]

Depression

[hollow spear]

Looking forward to Dr. Atnos' comp prediction being right

[plush roost]

Atrophic so beans

[dusky yacht]

Stop complaining now you can stand in silvermoon like npc

[lilac stag]

Self inflicted wound from beta keys

[neat egret]

and what's up with Ancient arts + secret technique? i read its bugged but i cant find how

[inland glacier]

What's the best craft for today, guys?

[hollow spear]

And bring shame to guild leader

[hazy breach]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[warm marlin]

it's also depressing thinking about the crack that outlaw used to be while playing the milquetoast version it is now

very sad

[plush roost]

S2 tww outlaw

Imissu

[warm marlin]

df3-tww3 outlaw

[hollow spear]

RIP

[neat egret]

This is not something you need to play around - i can ignore it then?

[plush roost]

Only s2 has insane killingspree

[swift tinsel]

I'm enjoying the minigame of "what casts can I greed as devourer without getting killed to floor effects" in m+

[plush roost]

Absolute dopamine

[warm marlin]

killing spree was pure cinema in non push keys

that one guy in floodgate

[plush roost]

Killing spree rookery first boss...

During circles

LOOK OUT

[warm marlin]

it really added to the whole experience by just constantly fearing for your life and screaming at your healer

good times

[swift tinsel]

would be fun to old-KS last boss spire with the tracking arrow barrage

[neat egret]

killing spree into cauldron beam

[hollow spear]

I still remember Norushen as combat rogue

God damn, do I feel old rn

[dusky yacht]

I PvP'd for fun in WoD as combat rogue with the killing spree spec and I would do 2v2 no mic and boost random healers, just press SS until red buff and then killing spree, amazing play incoming

[warm marlin]

I have a really weird feeling atm where I do genuinely love the game and want to try out like 12 different specs

[hollow spear]

But you hate your original spec?

[warm marlin]

but I don't want to really play any longterm because everything is so shallow, I just want to run some keys/mythic raid bosses at 270 ilvl and then logout

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's kinda where I'm at too

I do not feel invested in any part of the game atm

[fading saffron]

im the opposite unfort, i mained 1 class for YEARS, quit and came back, and looking to main rogue full time and become a gamer at it - but, we will see what happens

[swift tinsel]

Devourer has been pure vibes bc its fresh and new and genuinely pretty fun in keys

[hollow spear]

Is this what gentrification feels like in a game?

[swift tinsel]

bc it has little things you can do to eke out damage

with such a sparse base playstyle

[warm marlin]

our resident dh absolutely despises devourer

[small vortex]

our resident dh likes devourer

[carmine portal]

It's mostly that people refuse to admit/can't see that they're burned out/just bored of a game. Happens to all games.

[swift tinsel]

if you can get over (or have lust for first pull) how sluggish it starts out in combat I find it quite fun

its exceedingly momentum-based

[carmine portal]

People complain that the "game is dead" or "this is the worst it has ever been" but they've played every day for 10 years

[swift tinsel]

and scales really really well in aoe so once pulls get bigger it will only get better

[carmine portal]

Nah bro you're just bored, time to move on.

[swift tinsel]

bc it does feel quite bad on first pull if you don't lust it

but getting 25% haste really ramps up the spec from soul consumption

to the point you're casting without animation

[warm marlin]

nah i really do think that a lot of the midnight changes were bad but it seems to be doing quite well popularity wise. i still really enjoy the game like i always do with a new tier i am just really not a fan of boss design thus far and the gigapruning of specs

itll get better as time goes on and they readd complexity and get their footing

just is weird that they cooked bangers like NK and dimensius last tier with wa (fights that were barely wa required) and now they haven't really hit yet with any of the post wa bosses

[carmine portal]

Not really that weird to me, they've been making bosses with WA in mind for 10 years. This is the first set of bosses designed without it in mind.

[waxen viper]

since we are getting our 3rd piece of crafted gear this week is there any specific piece we should be crafting like a 2nd dagger or can we do any piece like wrist or cloak or legs that arent super important but will be ilvl increases until we replace with myth track.

[carmine portal]

Overall the game feels so alive, people doing so much of everything, never seen so many people trying M+ for the first time in their life

Ofc it's first few weeks of a new season but

[lilac stag]

everything being more approachable is a good thing

[carmine portal]

It seems the class decluttering is liked despite my hating of it

[warm marlin]

m+ is particularly suffering imo because 10s are even easier than before while the specs are also easier

[lilac stag]

tanks learning they can’t just weak aura a key is LFG struggle

[carmine portal]

Tbh

[hazy breach]

Idk the good bosses didnt require WAs to begin with and bosses that were requiring WAs were typically ass anyway

[warm marlin]

this early season m+ grind was the most miserable of any ive done

[carmine portal]

What "wa's" did tanks use to make the game easier?

I've tanked a lot and never had WA's make tanking easier in M+

[dreamy root]

dumbed down game, definetly encouraging the more casual players too get into it

[warm marlin]

ye that's what I mean, NK and dimmy could be done without WA and were bangers, so in a post WA world that should be unchanged

[lilac stag]

Announced every def they needed to use basically

watching tanks melt in raid because they don’t know how to taunt swap

[small vortex]

whats wrong with 10s being easy

i feel like high keys still feel decent to run/push

[carmine portal]

Sure, that's different to "tanks wa'ing through dungeons"

[lilac stag]

You get a lot of people that can’t do them

[warm marlin]

well before even if the content itself was easy your class could take some thinking. now the content is even easier and im just spamming storm bp

[lilac stag]

Before those got filtered out

[warm marlin]

it is very boring

[small vortex]

well thats true yeah

[hazy breach]

Whats the point of +2-9

When 10s are this easy

[halcyon path]

the game becomes a wasteland in 2 weeks cause theres no more incentive for the majority of ppl

[gentle sonnet]

you should always replace your lowest ilvl piece with a crafted piece

[vale pine]

speed

[sick dagger]

Is Loa Worshiper's band a no no to craft even though it sims better?

[vale pine]

we do mostly 10-12

but i could see how you would want to do 8 and 9 if you queue up with randoms

less affixes

[carmine portal]

IMO 10's should be the level where you need to begin "trying" because it's the one where your vault begins to fill meaningfully, rn it's just too easy

[vale pine]

is a good reason

[warm marlin]

i did 35 pit of sarons and i can summarize most of them as walk in, pull 80 mobs, kick like twice a pull, do no stops because nothing matters, spam storm bp for 20 minutes straight

the 35 dawnbreakers i did in tww3 week1 were at least somewhat interesting due to the content being slightly harder and my class being more interesting

[gentle sonnet]

i'm ready to spend this week leveling alts with cata dungeons

[carmine portal]

ye this week im maxxing all my tank classes

[gentle sonnet]

mine's healers

[waxen viper]

i mean yes thats what we should do but if im able to send a 2nd dagger this week at 285 vs and off piece then what would realistically be better

[carmine portal]

Literally 0 interesting healers for me atm

I loved hpriest but they nuked it

[north schooner]

don't forget the interesting part of having to guess which dawnbreaker bug you'll get this run

[carmine portal]

Talents that combine spells=shit design imo

[gentle sonnet]

yea if you dont already have a hero track off-hand, then yea craft one, but if you already have it then craft another low ilvl piece like ring or neck

[warm marlin]

i think 2 of those were bricked to the boats just not spawning

good times

[lilac stag]

On sub? Not the dagger

[neat egret]

During blades without lust, should I dance to get the extra dur from trinket or should i hold dance for secret tech for the supercharged combo point

[lilac stag]

and it’s a dead craft as soon as you land a mythic dagger

[hazy breach]

Ideally both

But its hard to time it

[neat egret]

i need to hold at least a global for that, that seems like a waste

[hazy breach]

No

[wintry heart]

9am pdt is reset right

[waxen viper]

got it figured as much, im almost full heroic BIS just missing like a 663 chest to be there. I'll probably sim it once we are live again and im able to check vault. Will probably craft either legs or wrist when it comes down to it.

[lilac stag]

I just realized we’d have LE make a WA for the krangled sblades trinket use. rip

[vale pine]

i asked le if she works on ui/addon stuff

because i know she liked to do stuff, and i could have highlighted her stuff on wowhead

but my last information is a no, think the loss of weakauras is generally something not very well recived

[north schooner]

it's not just lost functionality but even to do the same things you could do before, you have to do in annoying roundabout ways

and then a rwf guild abuses something in some way and they have to hotfix and brick it next patch

[celest spruce]

Question about the rotation.

"As Trickster :Trickster: on all target counts: Try to ensure that you always have :ancientarts: active for your supercharged non-Secret Technique Finisher during :ShadowDance:. (This can mean using :ShadowStrike:/:ShurikenStorm: at full CP to activate it)
This looks complicated but it effectively sorts itself out if you follow the rotational tips listed above."

Does this effectively mean that you shadowstrike/shuriken storm every time at full combo points when you are not proccing Ancient Arts?

[wintry heart]

Pretty sure only in lust

[carmine portal]

tbh anyone is free to access what they did, they just have the means to pay someone to make them something

[gentle sonnet]

so basically this you do this to ensure you're not over stacking on Shadow Technique stacks from what i can tell, which is why you do SS then Evisc, and go between the two until you're out of Shadow Dance

[vale pine]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[grizzled bay]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[north schooner]

sure, everyone does, they just have people purposely look for ways to abuse loopholes to gain an advantage (and then broadcast it too)

[celest spruce]

Oh wait, is that not for Trickster? Only Deathstalker?

[warm marlin]

it's for both, the dn condition just only applies for ds

[fiery fog]

both
trickster for supercharged finishers
ds for darkest night

[gentle sonnet]

@vale pine what are you thoughts on the new DS talent sub is getting in the half patch?

[carmine portal]

Better to do that and broadcast it than hide it, im of the mind that any1 who abuses that stuff should be banned but if blizz isn't going to punish any1 then

[celest spruce]

damn thats quite hard to track, hmm

[hazy breach]

Not really

[gentle sonnet]

do you use base UI?

[hazy breach]

If you just dont finish for a bit before you dance, it will happen automatically