subtlety

[steel wyvern]

from him

important

you dont need the neck

[lament mountain]

thanks!

[steel wyvern]

you just need to get correct jewellry from m+ and change around enchants and gems

[swift tinsel]

the neck certainly helps a lot

[tough umbra]

How am I getting 2 sectec’s in blades at 570 haste then?

[hazy breach]

BL

[tough umbra]

No.

Dummies.

I get it right before the blades wears off.

[hazy breach]

Ye

But sectech deals damage 1s after you press it

[tough umbra]

Ahhhhhhhh ok.

That makes sense then.

[steel wyvern]

700 haste is for the extra global every dance

has nothing to do with the sectech cooldown

[fossil forge]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[steel wyvern]

2 sectech in blades is about 4 piece

[tough umbra]

Damn, so the enchants and gems on Wowhead guide aren’t correct if you don’t have 700 haste? When I sim myself it’s still saying to use mastery/crit gems.

[steel wyvern]

ignore the sim

get 700 haste

[tough umbra]

Ok, that’s why I figured but I wanted to confirm.

Thank you.

[steel wyvern]

yessir

[still gazelle]

Damn. When trusting the Sims leads you astray.

That logic for both ST and AoE?

700 haste?

[swift tinsel]

haste breakpoints be makin things shitty

[little tapir]

I feel dumb reading u guys i'm still using the rotation helper

i don't know how much dps i lose doing that

[still gazelle]

A lot

[little tapir]

I have a macro with sectech inside it and it nevers goes off

[steel wyvern]

yes

[little tapir]

bcause i dont have enough combo points

then my thing is all desynch

[little tapir]

what's the biggest mistake i could be making ?

is it not using sectech as my first finisher after casting shadow dance ?

[fleet acorn]

when im on chimaerus (MYTHIC) in grp 1 down i cant even blast on pull?

i get knocked up before my 2nd dance + sectech

kekw

[hazy breach]

Ideally youre in the second group

As blades is up for it

[little tapir]

@hazy breach Is having a blades + dance macro really worth it ?

[frosty sinew]

you can shadowstep the knockup to not lose globals

first group is fine if not better imo

[fleet acorn]

its not enough time

[frosty sinew]

you don't lose globals getting knocked up and going down to adds

[fleet acorn]

when i sectech i get knocked up and need to move to addss

[frosty sinew]

just finish your second dance

then vanish to adds

you're waiting for sec tec to come back up anyways

[lucid jackal]

I feel like Ur globals are chopped with guidon and first dance

Is that just me

[frosty sinew]

for first group?

i wasn't missing any globals in second dance due to group soak

[lucid jackal]

No like

Missing the guidon snapshot

[frosty sinew]

o with first dance

[lucid jackal]

Ya

[frosty sinew]

i ahven't actually used that talent since i've got 4p and guidon

were you running it for chim? or just in general for m+

[lucid jackal]

Oh do u drop that talent with guidon or smthing

In keys

[frosty sinew]

i've just been playing ass in keys cause it's way more chill

it's probably still worth running it in keys

but it could be just off a global with current haste values people are running

might test it out sounds interesting

[fleet acorn]

so what is better no grp 1/2 or grp 3/4

my leader asks now

[frosty sinew]

i am a firm believer that group 1 is just better for sub

but people think that using blades on adds in second group is good for some reason

[steel wyvern]

wdym by that

[still gazelle]

In the FAQ, it talks about supercharging your second secret technique during blades with the trinket and four piece. Why does it have you use secret technique as the second finisher? Doesn't sending Shadow dance and secret technique at the same time supercharge it already?

[steel wyvern]

not getting the extension on the second dance?

[glacial hinge]

any good customization Cooldown manager? that can introduce id for trinkets etc?

[frosty sinew]

typically your guidon will run out before sec tec will be back up

and you want to snapshot your dance with it

[still gazelle]

Oh okay.

[steel wyvern]

no

its just so you have an extra blades boosted finisher

[heady garden]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel wyvern]

regardless of whether youre using guidon

[still gazelle]

Oh, so you're just sneaking in an extra finisher before blades fall off.

[steel wyvern]

its better to dance with 2 seconds left on sectech

yes

[still gazelle]

Gotcha.

[steel wyvern]

its the difference between getting

JUST supercharged sectech empowered by blades

or getting a supercharged evis as well

which is pretty huge

[frosty sinew]

do you even supercharge your second sec tec in blades without guidon

outside of lust

[steel wyvern]

yes

[frosty sinew]

no sim i look at does that

and the faq specifies that you supercharge only with guidon and 4p for second dance

[fleet acorn]

between dances you only backstab + evic

[tidal python]

Between dances you cry

[hoary orchid]

guys you cant add sockets anymore?

[hazy breach]

Not to neck and ring no

[hoary orchid]

ty vm

[radiant swift]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[tulip light]

do we actively avoid apexing sectec?

[alpine wraith]

not really

[vale pine]

no

the ancient art optimization is just not used for secret

so you try to use it for evis/bp

on your typicall 2nd supercharger

(if you fulfill other conditions too)

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[tulip light]

alright, thanks friends! was just wondering with the guidon playstyle where your second supercharger during second dance lands on sectech

[lucid jackal]

Tfd with guidon on first pulls makes Ur dance too long to either snapshot or sectec SC feels like

[steel wyvern]

yeah but tfd gives you extra guidon value anyways

so youre still getting that benefit

its just frontloaded

[alpine wraith]

at most dance is 13 secs guidon is 15

something is afoot

[frosty sinew]

ye it does make the timing tighter but it seems still doable

[steel wyvern]

i mean

theres an extra second at the end where you are waiting the global

and an extra second at the beginning where you are waiting for a second after popping guidon

[fleet acorn]

okay im in grp 3/4 and its denitely worse then 1/2

[fair stump]

Should I get 2 set right now by using catalyst or should I greed for 4 set with the vault?

[cosmic prairie]

why does it say "miss" sometimes

[soft summit]

Why you need a rotation help? We have 2 buttons single target. 2 buttons aoe.

Then we have our shadow shadow dance window is is basically a macro with sectech and then back to the above mentioned same 2 buttons

[soft summit]

Are we still doing that? I thought they changed it so the damage gain is so tiny it’s not worth it

[frosty sinew]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[frosty sinew]

this is worth doing

the lust stuff is not if that's what you meant

[vale pine]

its small, so depends

if you want to min/max go for it

[fossil crystal]

Anyone willing to have a chat with me haha, im reading the guides etc but feels like i dont get a hang of it and not sure what im doing wrong, geting bad logs... please pm me if u got time! ^^

[swift tinsel]

its the only part of the rotation I look forward to atm

might be swapping to voidman main if they let me

[tulip light]

is there any information on the death stalker "remake" with .5 patch? i saw something about marked for death coming back to swap the marked target, but wasnt the bigger problem always the mark disappearing randomly?

[swift tinsel]

nope

just the initial bluepost

[spiral steeple]

looks like someone stopped logging after the first 4 bosses, but anyone mind doing a log review and telling me what I'm doing wrong?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T6NyKHktYW9hVAcZ?type=damage-done&modal=fight-selection&boss=-2&difficulty=0

blue parses are cringe

[regal stag]

hey guys, there's something i don't really get with sub and the apex talent: in Shadow Dance, you wait for either an ancient arts proc to use a finisher or having supercharge combo points ?

[hollow spear]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[shy scarab]

whats the play on drake boy in voidspire? do we use storm+bp on 2t or shadowstrike+evis?

[frosty sinew]

shadow>storm in dance

[hollow spear]

you never storm on 2t

[frosty sinew]

and for bp or evis depends on your talents

[regal stag]

thanks. if ancient arts is up (but there's no supercharge combo point left), finisher. Without Ancient Art, SS till Ancient Arts. i get it.

[frosty sinew]

if you're running potent powder you would bp if not evis

[hollow spear]

strike until (and including) 3t

not running PP is probably the more ethical approach

[shy scarab]

hmmm

[frosty sinew]

if running mythic and actually want to have useful damage

you prob play ass

[shy scarab]

feels shit to bp on 2t

i can burst muuuuuuuuuch higher with ss+evis

[frosty sinew]

if you're running potent powder

[shy scarab]

i run that yea

[frosty sinew]

it's pretty much to pad the adds for parse

[gilded ferry]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[shy scarab]

looks like top logger on myth drake doing bp+storm only luls

not sure if its wrong

[hollow spear]

only?

[frosty sinew]

he's just omega padding off orbs

[hollow spear]

as I said, storm on 2T is wrong

[frosty sinew]

which if your guild is struggling to kill is not useless damage

[hollow spear]

he probably storms when he pads on adds

[frosty sinew]

but i think that case will be uncommon

[hollow spear]

I've asked Stealthi for a video of his pov, he sent me a picture of his couch

(jk he didn't)

[frosty sinew]

im sitting on my couch for pallies

well will be

[shy scarab]

yea pretty much

[hollow spear]

sounds int

[frosty sinew]

ye the guy is actively holding cds for orbs

he is just there to kill orbs

[hollow spear]

couldn't be me

[bleak night]

very based

[hollow spear]

72k dps on orbs 🤔

[jaunty heath]

are we winning guys

[shy scarab]

orbs spawns at 30 ish

[naive zodiac]

listen bro if theres no warrior in your group you are the orb destroyer

[bleak night]

[frosty sinew]

i wish i could be orb destroyer 🙁

[steel wyvern]

at some point you would want to ss for danse macabre no

like

[frosty sinew]

the orbs will be dead before your dance runs out anyways

[hollow spear]

danse macabre is usually not a consideration

[steel wyvern]

2 or 3t with premed

[shy scarab]

ahh btw im talking about mythic not hc

[hollow spear]

maybe in the edge case of 2 targets vs strike

[steel wyvern]

thats what im saying like

on paladins

2 targets / 3 targets vs strike

u might want to send 1 storm for lash

i cba to sim it

[hollow spear]

it's probably a wash

just feelysimed it

[steel wyvern]

ty for feelysimming

i mean theres no way its over 1%

when do you finish evis

you evis on 2t right

[torpid stump]

guys do you have a site to analyse your performances or do you have some advice to improve ? I'm new to sub (playing sin most of the time before) and I think i'm really bad actually awful parses etc...

[grand hemlock]

So I am making a swap to sub until the unlikely event of a pig flying occurs and they make some changes to outlaw, are there any recommended addons for the spec?

[tame flint]

Question, I was asked if I have tried sub, I said no. I have always been sinful by nature … any Whispyr type how play sub for dummies like me? I haven’t touched it in a while expansion

[little tapir]

Wtf is dark horse

[tame flint]

And then they bet me I couldn’t be them in dps … challenge accepted…

[craggy quail]

after nerfs on bp, eviscerat use with 2 targets?

[hollow spear]

Read the wowhead or icyveins guide, then read the #subtlety-faq

[bleak night]

means might perform better than expected

[light finch]

More like DANK HORSE

[little tapir]

yeah like the saying

[vale pine]

seems like a in between spot

[little tapir]

idk how i didnt think about it that way

[void ocean]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[steady terrace]

hey, do we wanna enter shadow dance with full combo points always? new to sub

[hazy breach]

As trickster generally yes

Deathstalker wants to dance at low/no cp

[steady terrace]

wowanalyzer says im losing huge damage because of it

idk if its reliable or not

[hazy breach]

I do not think wowanalyzer is up to date with how sub works in midnight

[steady terrace]

wanted to ask here, tyvm

[dense fossil]

Question, is WoWanalyser compatible with sub rogue?

[steel wyvern]

that is some of the funniest shit i have ever seen

holy fuck

thank you

just busted out full belly laugh

"Dark Horse"

[nocturne tendon]

"little is known" aka get declined idiot
"unexpectedly wins or succeeds" aka GIGAPAD

[cursive hamlet]

is macros for shuriken storm + shadow dance optimal to use for trickster? like what comes first, combo points from it or shadow dance, considering SS goes first in macro

[dusky yacht]

🐴

[nocturne tendon]

black (powder) horse

[craggy quail]

why do I need to enter SD first before using SB?

[plush roost]

If ele is legit s tier u could justify playing sub with an insaane prio spec

[dense fossil]

Bump

[plush roost]

Hence dark horse

[graceful rock]

Yeah think unholy DK from s2 TWW

[hazy breach]

Since ele has big cds and sub has damage all the time now we complement them pretty well

[valid yoke]

on first boss in mythic does cloaking the debuff still count as a hit on the shield for adds?

[elfin hound]

on chimaerus which set of going down is good for sub, cooldown wise?

[plush roost]

Tbh unhdk and dev now do good prio

Could see ele sub + 1

[graceful rock]

Probably devourer

I think that spec is gonna scale crazy in high keys

[plush roost]

Ye it did on beta

[graceful rock]

You’ll probably route around void meta

[willow bobcat]

Did not seem to remove the dispell at all when I was doing it last night.

[valid yoke]

noted, cheers for the info

[plush roost]

U dont really route around something that is always up

XD

[radiant swift]

stec clones or rather aoe hits around me right?

[hazy breach]

No, around the enemy

Nimble is around you

[plush roost]

Stec around target hit box, bp around u

[radiant swift]

i see so i still want to hit the mob in the middle

and be more or less in the middle

tyvm

[lusty acorn]

I hear there will be class tunning 7 april is that right?

[spare crypt]

correct

but will likely follow the stated goal of blizzard "no disruptive changes until rwf over"

[vocal narwhal]

anyone know how i can add socket to my belt, been meeting some rogues with it

[spare crypt]

so set your hopes very very low

[lusty acorn]

10% buff

[spare crypt]

my brother

[lusty acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[spare crypt]

thats the opposite of very low

[hazy breach]

Either get lucky and loot a belt with it. Or you take it as a consolation price from your weekly vault

[mighty citrus]

is there currently a rule like in old xpac, that you want to fit an amount of x styles into a single dance?

i think it was 8 back then?

[vocal narwhal]

can i do that on my crafted items?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[vocal narwhal]

Oki thanks!

[cosmic prairie]

is there a big downside to running sword offhand

[night smelt]

Thanks!

[spare crypt]

yes, shadow techniques isnt normalized for slower weapons

[craggy quail]

why do I need to enter shadow dance first before using shadow blades?

[spare crypt]

so youll be getting much less stacks

and you dont want that

[cosmic prairie]

would u say its worth running 259 sword over 214 dagger

in OH

[hollow raptor]

u cant use a sword

[quick marlin]

you can but its not worth no

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[hollow raptor]

*can but shouldnt

[spare crypt]

check your currency tab

for leftover veteran crests

[cosmic prairie]

yah its what i figured i just didnt know how big of a dif it was cause ilvl gap is huge

[spare crypt]

you can craft a weapon without a spark for 80 veteran crests

246? if im not mistaken

[cosmic prairie]

oh oh ok

[spare crypt]

otherwise just slap on hte dagger in the offhand and chill until u get a new one

offhand dps gain is much much lower than mainhand ilv l

[void jungle]

Hi everyone, sorry if this question isn't appropriate for this channel. I have a question about damage rotation.

Should I always use Secret Technique within Shadow Dance or should I always use it during the blue Combo Point proc? In the first option, I can use it within Shadow Dance without the blue proc.

Also, should the Apex proc always be used with a Secret Technique or Coup? Can I use it with any Finisher without problems?

[spare crypt]

secret technique always with shadow dance

and always either the 1st finisher or 2nd finisher when u enter shadow dance so that you can use it with supercharged (blue) combo points

[dire timber]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[spare crypt]

apex talent should be forced only for supercharged combo point finishers when playing trickster

[dense fossil]

Does anyone know?

[hazy breach]

Your question was answered literally right above when you asked it

[alpine wraith]

wowanalyzer does not work with sub o

[dawn trellis]

is sub doing most in raid?

[dense fossil]

I'm blind mb

[void jungle]

Ty!

[night sparrow]

I'm 270, but champion belt. Is it trolling to craft a 285 belt ?

[short aurora]

guys anyone gonna teach me how to properly use this

[vocal narwhal]

yes me 2 please, i have ust been using it off cooldown

[short aurora]

[night sparrow]

cast 1sec before burst, cast 2nd dance+finisher>filler>sectec when sectec comes back in 2sec (2.2 if coup proc). gg

[verbal hedge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent relic]

with deathstalker you wouldn't run guidon right? you wouldn't be able to get double ST in blades cause no disorienting strikes from trickster?

[short aurora]

[vocal narwhal]

Do i lose alot of damage when i cast the trinket, press blades, one shadowstrike then teq with 6 combopoints

[spare crypt]

just skip deathstalker

you dont play it on any boss in mythic

[night sparrow]

it's playable on Voracius

but not worth the pain

[dusky yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487567692931010621/puzzlebox.gif

[spare crypt]

if you get 1st or 2nd parasite thingy on you

you are extremely sad

not making that mistake again

[potent relic]

i still played trickster on m voracius. was just on the training dummy as deathstalker and thought of the guidon thing

[spare crypt]

can confirm that you cant 2nd st in blades

idk the workaround but i cba to think too hard about DS

just dropped it out of my life

[potent relic]

meaning youd have to use puzzle box. so more reason to never play DS lol

[frosty sinew]

you do still gain 2 globals in dance on deathstalker with it

[shrewd lantern]

nah get that bp pad

on shitter mobs

clearly

[spare crypt]

however

[mighty citrus]

do you guys use the second dance in blades so, that you could supercharge your second st? i feel like iam doing something wrong

[spare crypt]

banging out some darkest nights was hella fun on hc

[kindred coral]

why we use shiv on subrogue?

[hazy breach]

We dont

[night sparrow]

because we dont

[spare crypt]

its m+ utility

we dont use it rotationally

[hazy breach]

Unless you want to dispel an enrage

[kindred coral]

ok so its specific dungeons

[spare crypt]

with 4set and guidon, yes

[shrewd lantern]

no you ping your druid

to soothe it

clearly

[jade oasis]

i got something very important to show yall

might change the history of our class forever

.

!!!

[night sparrow]

With 4p + guidon you send 2nd dance+finisher>filler>2nd sectec 2sec (or 2.2 if coup up) before sectec comes back

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mighty citrus]

as st is 3part attack, it feels like the last part hits, when blades already ended

need to check though

99% its me doing something wrong anyway

[night sparrow]

do u have enough haste ?

[shrewd lantern]

how much damage would we gain

[mighty citrus]

yeah i meet all the conditions

[shrewd lantern]

if aa actually cloned the non phys part of st

[jade oasis]

you use it 2s before st is up so it’s used as your second charged finisher of that dance

[night sparrow]

alright so yeah it's you, you got this

[dusky yacht]

I can tell he's very subtle

A Dark Kitten

[mighty citrus]

so few secs of dance run without blades then

[night sparrow]

yes

[jade oasis]

pretty sure

[night sparrow]

with bl it perfectly fits

[jade oasis]

i couldn’t tell you bc

my
guild gave our resto druid 4set over me

so im waiting till tuesday

[mighty citrus]

sad

[jade oasis]

it’s whatever

[night sparrow]

With TFD + BL you send dance+sectec when first dance fades, feels good. TWW vibes

[jade oasis]

im parsing well without it

hopefully i parse even better with it

[shrewd lantern]

bad drops?

i think our mail tier got cucked this week

3 of our mail dps didnt finish 4p

i already farmed 4 cata charges

[dusky yacht]

Sorry I'm new to sub, what is TFD?

[short aurora]

the first dance

[dusky yacht]

Oooh that talent

[night sparrow]

The First Dance

a talent you play in m+

[dusky yacht]

Yeah

[short aurora]

or in nhc

[dusky yacht]

I've always liked it but haven't tried since only played it in raid just tonight

I respecced this afternoon to sub lmao

[shrewd lantern]

tfd isnt good in raid unless

kill time giga short

[dusky yacht]

My DPS went up 15k in heroic raid compared to assas

But my parses are low, prolly cause I'm shit and don't have 4p yet

[shrewd lantern]

god people are unlucky ngl

[night sparrow]

imo except Paladins mythic for sin with current tuning, sub is the way

[shrewd lantern]

i had 4set on reset while only getting 1 token from raid

one in vault 2 cata

though passing on speed alnseer

painge

[random bison]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd lantern]

its ok we see mythic one in vault

fs

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I mean I got a lot of goodies waiting for next reset in vault obviously from m10s

Hopefully random tier piece that I don't got yet

Then I can catalyst the last piece

And we're balling

[shrewd lantern]

first week and raid vault is already better lmao

276

[glass kelp]

What's the breakpoint for sitting on shadow dance/sectec before blades comes off of CD? I've been stopping at 20 and sending when 2nd dance charge is at 7 seconds before being up or so

[shrewd lantern]

vs 272 m10

[dusky yacht]

Even if heroic?

[shrewd lantern]

oh no i have 2 mythic slots

[dusky yacht]

Bro chill

I can barely breathe we just did vanguard HC

[shrewd lantern]

oh that boss

i got a 99

[night sparrow]

depends if 4p and/or guidon

[dusky yacht]

Aight

Peace

vanishes

[shrewd lantern]

i beat the tanks and dead people

love having a 99 and still 14th

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/star-wars-rogue-one-a-story-d9jSVa7wdvdeiNipeN

[mighty citrus]

what i also dont understand 100% is that my trinket does not always benefits my longer dances. i made sure to bind it to blades and i have the seperate dance and st macro, so there is a short time inbetween

but sometimes it feels, like i dont get extra dance time

i understand the talent triggers delayed so i use that 2 macros

[night sparrow]

Dont

[shrewd lantern]

You need to trinket before popping cds

[night sparrow]

You have to cast guidon 1sec before sending burst

bc shit game

[mighty citrus]

i thought this only goes to dance

not to blades

[night sparrow]

Deepening shadows gets updated every second

[shrewd lantern]

its okie raidbots is immune to that delay

[mighty citrus]

okidoki

[shrewd lantern]

i send dance st same global without a macro

but im fast ig

[night sparrow]

it's taking a worthless risk tbf

[shrewd lantern]

i actually hit it slower

macroed somehow

its weird

i think my muscle memory isnt used to a different bind

compared to having the same dance and st binds for 3-4 expacs

[night sparrow]

understandable

we lost 4 buttons since midnight, but I replaced that with 5 dances macros lul

even tho I did not used the dance+bp macro since guidon+4p

[dusky yacht]

Only trinket I have atm is puzzle

Kill me

(Besides protocols one)

[glass kelp]

None of the above

[night sparrow]

but e.g. on Nexus King, dance+shustorm and dance+evis are useful bc you don't want to supercharge 2nd sec tech

[shrewd lantern]

me as a m0 puzzle gamer

[mighty citrus]

why you dont want to supercharge it?

[night sparrow]

I dont remember the exact timing, but casting sectec on your first or second dance is w/e if you don't have 4p

[night sparrow]

cause of amp dmg, you're losing dance uptime during it

[mighty citrus]

so currently i pop my second dance when blades has 8s left, so i get full duration with blades and dance up and also the second st in all of it but without supercharge

[night sparrow]

you send dance like 2sec after first one fades, so you cast sectec 1.3sec before 2nd dance fades

but only on king

[mighty citrus]

i need somebody to calculate the loss vs popping second dance 2s st cd remain

cause it feels more intuitive to me

to just make both cds run along

as much as possible

[night sparrow]

I do the same, this is the way according to logs

[mighty citrus]

oh i mean

i do this on every boss

not only there

[shrewd lantern]

if you have guidon

[night sparrow]

HA

[shrewd lantern]

surely we get this week

[night sparrow]

with guidon you supercharge your sectec as the second finisher

during second dance

[shrewd lantern]

def a bit weird compared to no guidon

where you second dance shortly after first

[mighty citrus]

i understand that, as you explained it to me. it just feels not as good as to overlap blades and dances all the time

[night sparrow]

understandable, that's unintuitive

[short aurora]

its feels hella cursed

but rather that than

shadowstrike -> puzzle

[shrewd lantern]

thats literally fine

idk why people complain

you dont do dps outside dances

[night sparrow]

bc you play caster if you want to cast things I guess haha

[pearl fox]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[shrewd lantern]

closest ill get to playing a wizard again

is devourer

[night sparrow]

yeah devourer fun

I'm kinda worried what the rotation will look like S2 tbf

[shrewd lantern]

idk spec feels terrible

outside of the first 2 globals of dance

[night sparrow]

I liked tww s3 way more but they kept and went deeper into class identity

[shrewd lantern]

also like anyone who complains rogue has downtime

and doesnt play outlaw

self inflicted

[dusky yacht]

Subtlety downtime is hilarious compared to assas downtime imo

[pine viper]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[dusky yacht]

I feel like dancing dancing

[earnest prairie]

How long do I need to wait with pressing Shadow Dance when I use my Light Company Guidon's trinket ?

[keen galleon]

Question with using puzzle is it better to send blades even though it’s got 30 secs left on cooldown or do I wait to use it with blades every time

[earnest prairie]

Because I have a feeling I am pressing my SD too fast

[chrome palm]

1s = 100%
.5s = 50%

The timer for when deepening shadows checks haste is 1s, from when you log in

[hollow spear]

I can't express how much I hate that

[drifting ether]

If you macro it to ss/bs you can do sb/sd/st macro slightly after gcd

[chrome palm]

Doesn’t always work because a gcd is 1s

[drifting ether]

It gives you your gcd timer to enter

[chrome palm]

misread what you typed ur right

[warm marlin]

yeah but you still have to time that gcd press at exactly 1s or youre wasting guidon time

its just cooked

[spice matrix]

we puzzle box gang now fam

[drifting ether]

Ya ik but at least you can hit it consistently after seeing gcd instead of guessing 1s

[steel wyvern]

Nah bro

Guidon is fire

[raven pasture]

Hi everyone, i'm new here and i would like to improve my dps as sub
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/g481vbjGYXVWnKP6/WQTafgVRCAGvJ2w7?type=damage-done&fight=36%2C15&source=14%2C7&target=171%2C24
Im comparing to that guy (i've more cast overall but i deal less on average)
Is it because that guy destroy adds ? what can i improve (i'm majaa)

thanks for your answer !

[frosty sinew]

could very well just be gear

guy has 2 ilvl over you and gaze over your withered saptors paw

[jagged hamlet]

dont do this

use trinket with pot instead

[valid yoke]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[jagged hamlet]

only other thing is you used evis and he used BPowder at the 330ish area and 530ish

[open moss]

How strong is the alleria neck ?

[raven pasture]

amazing

thanks a lot boys

i'll try to improve

[fluid lintel]

So

Today I learned shadowstep is a troll on second boss of reach

[hazy breach]

Its like 0.5-1% dmg

So not insane, but pretty good

[steel wyvern]

What ench do we play on rings

Crit eff?

[full spade]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[full spade]

Has anyone noticed 60m tricks of the trade isnt a thing?

I had it working the other day but could have sworn it just stopped randomly

[lucid jackal]

it works fine

[frosty sinew]

it goes away if you die

[full spade]

yeah I'm looking at key logs and their is no consistency to hte buff being up

[frosty sinew]

and you need to damage something within 30s of using it to actually proc the 1h tricks

[full spade]

yeah ill take a look

[brisk onyx]

idk i noticed it too, first i ask my tank: do you cancel tot? but he didn’t so idk maybe i die or he die or something shit

[woeful gyro]

Real question. Just rolled rogue for this exp. My daggers are breaking so fast. If I die once in a m+ my daggers are like 10% by the end of the dungeon. Is this normal?

[hoary sun]

so i noticed in the bug spreadsheet that the ancient arts refund trigger doesnt happen when premed is up. does this affect how shadow dance timing should be? should i use the trigger before pressing shadow dance to get the refund and use the refund in shadow dance? i know its a badly worded question lmao

[full spade]

i might just be dumb and spamming out of old habit (havent touched rogue much since SL) and hard to check buffs rq with no WAs

looks like it only ever dropped when we wiped in this key or i repressed

[hazy breach]

Yep because theyve massively increased our attack speed. And every hit has a chance to remove durability

[hazy breach]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[hazy breach]

More of a oversight regarding the durability, just gotta repair before every key

[pulsar prawn]

how close should I follow sims when it comes to gems/enchants? Will it always push me to the closest haste global point or do I have to use my brain to make sure I hit the breakpoints for extra globals etc

[brisk onyx]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[cold citrus]

sims will probably tell you to take less haste

so use brain

[lean arch]

Do I send puzzle box on cd or do I wait to line it up w/ like shadowblades or something

ah

mb

[earnest crane]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[crystal quiver]

is it 2target u wana shadowstrike and 3 target shuriken storm in dance with trick?

[spare totem]

is panda racial that good i see people swapping to panda?

[latent finch]

You can sim it yourself its around 0.3-0.4% better then the other good races. Mechagnome pretty much the same as panda but then you have to play mechagnome so thats not an option

[brisk onyx]

ye you have 100 agi from food

[gilded ferry]

Is Eleem here, I have a question for the !aa

If I proc AA during the conditions and afterwards evis, I still have 1 supercharged point, should I SS again instead of going for 2 evis in a row?

Got an example here

the quality is ass but bear with me

[vagrant fulcrum]

Yes, the whole idea is to clone the supercharged cp, not just spend them

[pastel geyser]

im never not going to play dwarf. dwarf is op

[vagrant fulcrum]

So you Shadowstrike again to prime Apex prior to spending supercharged points

[gilded ferry]

like in the clip?

[vagrant fulcrum]

Yeah

[jovial garnet]

what about regular combo points
should you aim to clone those also?

[vagrant fulcrum]

It’s honestly not that difficult, just a mental check - do I have supercharged cp? Yes > do I have apex? Yes > finish No > shadowstrike

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[vagrant fulcrum]

Follow the rules above, regular cp no you don’t need to force it

[exotic steeple]

when did our buff food get so expensive

[jovial garnet]

fantastic, otherwise i would've cringed into oblivion

forcing clone on supercharged cp's is perfectly doable, i like that

[vagrant fulcrum]

Honestly I don’t think it’s make or break either way

I like the optimisation too

[gilded ferry]

Oh yea, I got it. I just wasnt sure in that part. Since most of the time the first supercharged gets used by the sectec, the optimization often happens at the second charge

[vagrant fulcrum]

Yep, and speaking of the sectec thing I actually don’t know if it’s worth trying to get apex on sectec from pre-dance, my suspicion is it’s not worthwhile if it doesn’t naturally line up, since getting that many sht banked outside of aoe will be tricky without overcapping energy

[gilded ferry]

iirc it has a weird interaction with premed

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[vagrant fulcrum]

I’m guessing sectec clones don’t clone the clones xd

Can anyone confirm or deny?

[hazy breach]

Correct

And im fairly sure they wont ever unfortunately

[gilded ferry]

it would be the greatest buff though

sectec would hit even harder

[vagrant fulcrum]

It would make it a second finisher in dance

I’m fairly sure

If apex was big on it

You’d force it

[hazy breach]

Assuming the premed thing wasnt fixed too yes

[tribal blade]

maybe pool for a long time before dances

then dance>strike>sectec

[vagrant fulcrum]

Potentially, yeah - either way I doubt they’d want to create complex use cases/optimisations for sectec

[tribal blade]

prob not

[vagrant fulcrum]

I suspect they’re happy with how it’s landed - or maybe they don’t like the apex forcing generators at full cp

[tribal blade]

i think there's less thought about it than that 😉

from the devs

[vagrant fulcrum]

I wish danse was stronger tbh

Or did something more exciting

[tribal blade]

it would make sub more interesting if you played around danse

[oak sorrel]

hey guys is sub decent in the current raid? 😃

[vagrant fulcrum]

I would say so

[tribal blade]

it's not a bad spec

but all melee are not useful this tier

[vagrant fulcrum]

^

[tribal blade]

and rogues are even more so less useful

leading to all RWF benching rogues

[meager coyote]

!trinket

okay I swear there was a command that explained some kinda guideon minmax

[short radish]

!guideon

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[exotic steeple]

i dont think i understand that

[steel wyvern]

Just make it do what it used to do

[exotic steeple]

why not send shadow dance and sq same time with macro?

why we send dance 2 seconds earlier

[steel wyvern]

And you’d always dance storm evis strike sectech

[hazy breach]

Because then more of the dance is gonna be outside of blades

[exotic steeple]

ah so we use seq tech on the 2nd bonus cp from dance

[steel wyvern]

Ngl old Danse macabre with kyrian echoing was kinda sick

[exotic steeple]

and we send a evis or coup on 1st ?

[steel wyvern]

Yes

[exotic steeple]

kay got it ty

[steel wyvern]

You enter yhe dance at full cp 2 seconds before sectech cooldown is done

[meager coyote]

so what I've been doing is pressing my 2nd dance in blades when my sectech in on 8 seconds cd so it's my last global in my 2nd dance, and in that way my 2nd dance is fully within shadow blades, I guess that's suboptimal???

[steel wyvern]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[steel horizon]

appears so because then you dont get a supercharged ST

[meager coyote]

surely 6 seconds of sb in dance is more damage than a supercharege bonus on ST

[vagrant fulcrum]

Not only that, you want dance up for unseen blades and coup that follow ST

[steel horizon]

its not otherwise the sims would say that

[hazy breach]

Well its not 6 seconds youre missing out on

Thats why youre supercharging sectech second

[radiant swift]

its alot without guidon and or lust

but i guess that doesnt matter either?

[meager coyote]

wait let me log in and look at it exactly

[hazy breach]

Well yeah, thats why the recommendation is specifically only with guidon

[steel wyvern]

Well it should also be with lust

[hazy breach]

Yeah with lust its fine even without

[radiant swift]

u dont move the second dance without guidon?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[steel wyvern]

So when do you use the second dance

[radiant swift]

well

[vagrant fulcrum]

We dont have the haste to do that yet tbh

[steel wyvern]

Without guidon

[vagrant fulcrum]

Maybe with low enough sectec cd we will

[radiant swift]

without its then back to back still>?

[hazy breach]

Anytime during blades really, but probably best back to back

Except during BL ig, then you still want to supercharge sectech

But thats usually happening anyway by back to backing

[meager coyote]

I mean

I wish I knew how to fuck with sims I'm positive what I've been doing is more damage

[steel wyvern]

So you don’t delay till 2 seconds left on sectech even though you would get it in during blades and dance?

[radiant swift]

so also m+ i guess where u dont run guidon but puzzlebox

[oak sorrel]

im kinda like

the "rogue forever mid" train kinda sucks to be on

but this is also one of the easiest specs to play ive ever experienced so im kinda like eh w/e

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic sinew]

I like that

[vagrant fulcrum]

Tbf we were good last tier

Idk if rogue is forever mid

[radiant swift]

idk holding even without guidon did line up well but i guess its a dps loss

[keen galleon]

with puzzle am i waiting the 30 secs for blades or do i just pop blades on cd and puzzle on cd

[runic sinew]

I don't get guidon yet, so I'm running puzzle like 3 minutes trinket and is so pump

[sullen glen]

so in reality we are holding the second dance for like 5-6 seconds?

or am i trippin out

[vagrant fulcrum]

You just send box on every 2nd blades. Holding blades for box and using both on 2m is a small loss

[radiant swift]

@hazy breach so troughtout a dungeon u basicaly alwalys hold for 10 sec till blades is up again - do the lost stecs not matter?

[full spade]

pins but pretend its 3 min cd

[hazy breach]

What

[radiant swift]

at some point u have dance + stec and 10 sec till blades

so u hold

[hazy breach]

Or you dont, depends

[radiant swift]

on?

[vagrant fulcrum]

If pull is healthy and you wanna send blades

Hold

If it’s deadge

Send dance, hold blades for next pull

[hazy breach]

Idk why hold if the pack is gonna be dead anyway by the time its ready

[radiant swift]

oh i know what u mean

sending dance and stec and then full on next pack with blades

[full spade]

blades is 14s

dance/sec tech is 20s rotations

so you basically just need to look at the pack and decide if you hold or not

[hazy breach]

Blades is 16 seconds, but tierset makes it 20

[full spade]

but if youre holding like for 2 techs you prolly trolled

lmao yea im cook

[meager coyote]

oh and I take it that this is regardless of which hero talent you play? it's categoized weirdly in #subtlety-faq

[hazy breach]

Its only for trickster

I should probably specifify that if i forgot to

[long marlin]

are you blindly following sims or not if takes below haste threshold

proverbial you

[meager coyote]

thank you king

ngl I much prefered all the little annoying minmaxes we had in the past over this use builder at full cp bs

but now that I got guidon and tier it doesn't play too bad

[hazy breach]

I personally despite the insanely tight dance windows

Where if the tank moves like 1 meter and you lose 0.2s of uptime you lose a global and get fucked

[long marlin]

eleem thoughts on my question above ❤️

[ionic mist]

Is there any way to use Light Company Guidon properly without hitting an additional button?

[meager coyote]

100% I liked the more methodical pace of the spec over this forced haste scaling bullshit

[arctic scroll]

/cast Shadow Blades
/use Light company guidon
/cast Shadow Dance
/use Light's Potential

[hazy breach]

Get some more haste, its answered in the FAQ too

[meager coyote]

yeahhh it's ass

[hazy breach]

Not without using it suboptimally no

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message
This is not good

[ionic mist]

I was to understand if you do this the haste won’t be calculated into your dance

[meager coyote]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[hazy breach]

Correct

You cannot macro it with dance

[ionic mist]

Boo

Thank you for the response.

[arctic scroll]

ffs really

i ve been bamboozled then

[runic sinew]

guidon isn't a good trinket for m+?

[hazy breach]

It is

[runic sinew]

Better than puzzle?

[hazy breach]

Its slightly worse than puzzlebox on huge pulls, but significantly better on low target counts

[radiant swift]

are u running guidon and gaze in m+?

[meager coyote]

if you're lucky to get both KEKW

[radiant swift]

yeah i tought about typing *if u had it

[exotic steeple]

i have both

still grey parser

[arctic scroll]

based

[radiant swift]

nice

[hazy breach]

So like, i wouldnt really say either is "better", its just dependant on what you want

[radiant swift]

prob less ass to play than puzzle

[runic sinew]

I don't have guidon yet, but I'm seeing so many rogues using puzzle+gaze

[meager coyote]

fuck puzzle all my homies HATE puzzle

[radiant swift]

idk mybe they domt have it - im also runing puzzle bcs i sont have either

and the crit trinket

[hazy breach]

The drums with mastery are also good

[radiant swift]

no clue if that one is even good it just simmed well

[meager coyote]

I'm cooking deviously

[radiant swift]

but sims seem w.e anyway with the haste stuff?

[meager coyote]

(my guild won't give me gaze cos I'm not a warlock/sp)

[tight fjord]

Had some 99 parses with guidon trinket in my sb/dance macro already but I gotta change it I suppose… I’m thinking it would be relatively safe to just put the guidon onto shadow strike opener?

[exotic steeple]

ah i got that alleria one too

grey parser loot

blizz wants me to impr my damage but i bring shame to guild

[hazy breach]

Genuinely you should probably use the void renown trinket instead of the ranger one

Even if its 276

[radiant swift]

is that shit trinket that good

the renown one

[hazy breach]

Yes

[radiant swift]

fck

[hazy breach]

Its better than anything you can get on hero track besides gaze and plume

[radiant swift]

damn

[hazy breach]

Or well, equal to some max upgraded ones like the skyreach one

[radiant swift]

for either content?

[meager coyote]

idk sim told me to use this combo, it doesn't feel ass and I never find it within 20 seonds of my cds, but maybe I'm trolling? idk

I'll re-sim with new gear just to check

o ney....

[hazy breach]

Yeah if it was 276 its an insanely minor difference

But you couldve spent crests elsewhere ig

[meager coyote]

nahhh fucking renown trinket better than a fully upgraded end heroic boss trinket is crazy design who fucking let this shit go live

[meager coyote]

I don't feel bad about 40 hero crests going this or that way they're legit worthless after this week for me

but yeah this is ass lmfao

[runic sinew]

Someone is using haste flask? I'm trying reach 700 haste, but without flask seems Impossible with my gear

[vagrant fulcrum]

How’s it va the withered saptor Paw?

Vs

I swear that trinket is quite good at hero

[radiant swift]

what about solarflame prism? seen it a couple of times and simmed pretty well?

[hazy breach]

I think paw is also among those that are like equal

But i havent looked that much into it as it has passive haste

And thats annoying for comparisons

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[radiant swift]

oh my bad i forgott where i got it from

[jolly wave]

If I have room in blades window for another sectec do I send or save for dance after?

[vagrant fulcrum]

Fair, last I simmed it none of the m+ trunks were competing, it was weaker than gaze and plume tho

(Passive trinks)

[hazy breach]

Fwiw the drum with mastery is very solid in aoe

[brisk onyx]

Hero drum plz

[hazy breach]

[brisk onyx]

you are the legendary

[vagrant fulcrum]

Bad news if you’re behind, the catchup is one per week extr

A

[hazy breach]

I would recommend you use topgear instead of gear compare, it does the same thing but is easier to use and less prone to mistakes

[woven ruin]

is hungering victory actually our bis dagger? no better statted from dun's?

[tribal blade]

guys any hot tips for starting chim prog

[short radish]

don't be in group 1

don't use a puzzle box

play pvp in intermission

i uploaded my vod if you want

[tribal blade]

i think i am group 1 lol

rip

[short radish]

unluggy

hope you have a guidon

[warm marlin]

cheap shot and kidney goated on that fight its crazy

useful rogue util!

[tribal blade]

i do have guidon

[short radish]

is this the rogue utility blizzard intended for us?

maybe chimerus was a fight designed for rogue

[hazy breach]

And the second rogue can bring numbing!

[short radish]

grip into 8 second stun

[hazy breach]

[short radish]

sacrificed my r1 parse for this

the old shadowblades 2nd dance into chepashot

[warm marlin]

should have cold blooded the cheap

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

ok i got swapped to grp 2

[short radish]

4 kidneys, 2 cheapshots

yeah i do mechanics

[radiant swift]

with crucible can u just insta upgrade it to all the 3 thingies?

[chrome palm]

Group 1 is fine

I did >108 in group 1

[meager coyote]

is there any point in going down with each group on mythic? 🤔

[tight fjord]

@hazy breach uhh you’re right. I was comparing them at 276. I gotta delete that post

Oof

Usually use top gear but I’m not home to use the full simc code

[unreal juniper]

wtf why on my rogue man :I

[earnest lodge]

is raidbots trolling saying guidon is worse than eye of drowning void (ofc its better) but wondering how cooked raidbots sim is in general

[shrewd lantern]

i had one of these on vet

it was like 25-30% uptime

[civic lava]

Di you do a Dungeonslice sim ?

[shrewd lantern]

group 1 felt fine am i high

[earnest lodge]

yea

is dungeon slice bad for sub sim now?

[shrewd lantern]

i can usually send my main cds into boss then have a sectech for add set

[civic lava]

Guidon is meh in dungeon

[short radish]

are you using guidon?

[shrewd lantern]

no

[short radish]

[shrewd lantern]

you think i have good rng?

[short radish]

idk maybe our adds died too fast

i was feeling 1-2 seconds off every single time

[zenith pond]

are people running double acuity on weps and not acuity mast

[shrewd lantern]

I can usually sectech coup

maybe not this reset when people get more gear

[grizzled bay]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jagged hamlet]

guidon is def not bis for overall in M+ but having it for every blades is great and then the boss numbers are really good so ive been rocking it

[gilded thistle]

yeah im keeping that shit on in m+, idc

its satisfying lol

[earnest crane]

is there any proc tracker for Coupe ?

[young reef]

do yall like sub for pve?

[idle flint]

Yes.

[oak sorrel]

anyone have any opinions on TFD vs finality in keys?

[cold citrus]

i run both.

[long marlin]

droptimizer is putting the eternal voidsong chain really bad for me. Is the proc not good?

a heavy crit neck is showing way way better

[eager latch]

what are the chances sub gets another 3-5% tuning pass

[jagged hamlet]

prob has more to do with your haste stat vs the bonuses from crit

if you add in a crit/mastery heavy ring or something and resim it would prob give different results

[jagged hamlet]

.

[short radish]

don't hold your breath (other rogue specs are also garbage atm)

[split stirrup]

Should I be able to always fit 2 sec tec in 1 blades regardless of circumstances or only with bl, first dance etc? Seems to be unreliable for me

[short radish]

pretty sure it's only with lust if you don't have guidon

[tribal blade]

WOOOOO

HOF chim

hot

[brisk onyx]

[short radish]

gzgzgzgz

any seers?

dude

some guy in our raid

got warbound heroic alnseer

[tribal blade]

yeah 1

we'll see who gets it

[tribal blade]

that's nuts

btw i fucked my parse

doing boss dmg

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

but we wouldn't hve killed without it

[short radish]

the things we do for the raid

and no one will ever know

[tribal blade]

boss dmg

THIS FUCKING GUY

[short radish]

we need that as an emote in ravenholdt

[tribal blade]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO

i won

against a million people

[hollow raptor]

u pug this? lol

[tribal blade]

nah my guild

[hollow raptor]

surprised ur guild gave it to a rogue

[short radish]

holy shit no fucking way

big gz

[tribal blade]

massive

[rich canopy]

Imagine playing the game instead of spending >60 minutes trying to get invited to keys

[sick epoch]

Should we prioritize haste untill we get 18-20% before mastery?

[hollow raptor]

i get invited to keys just fine

(pic unrelated)

[sick epoch]

270 ilvl xd u guys get rly lucky...

[hollow raptor]

ive also done like, 60 keys

helping guildies get geared and push keys

[short radish]

i think ive done 50 keys

[crystal quiver]

ive done 60 or so and same 271 ilvl

[hollow raptor]

yeah we are at 59

[crystal quiver]

given 0 raid loot too cus rogue is dogshjt

unfort

[short radish]

[hollow raptor]

i could send more crests but atp ill just wait for vault

[short radish]

yeah

im not in a rush to send crests

[crystal quiver]

i already griefed some crests so :p gg

[short radish]

i crafted a heroic waist by mistake

[hollow raptor]

thankfully i get loot despite being a rogue because i play decently

[short radish]

actual monkey brain moment

[crystal quiver]

i upgraded heroic dagger drop

[short radish]

gg griefed yourself

[crystal quiver]

monkey brain moment too

[hollow raptor]

i chose not to cuz what if i get a mythic dagger

[short radish]

better just make a new rogue

[hollow raptor]

there could be anything inthe vault

[short radish]

nah big mistake

you craft 285 week 1

[crystal quiver]

i didnt upg my craft dagger i upgraded the heroic drop kek

[short radish]

to lock in your parses early

[hollow raptor]

it could be 3 completely awful mythic trinkets

[crystal quiver]

and then mythic dagger dropped 1st weekl too kekw

[hollow raptor]

oh i did but my parses were still shit

[crystal quiver]

gg 80 crest s

[short radish]

[hollow raptor]

thanks to every fight being hectic add cleave

[tribal blade]

my reward for full fucking the boss

[hollow raptor]

cant wait to play deathstalker on vorasius!

[crystal quiver]

how many heroic/mythic crests do we get next week

[short radish]

do not do it

stand strong

[hollow raptor]

oh nvmd ppl are playing trickster

yippee

[crystal quiver]

deathstalker better tbh

[heady garden]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[hollow raptor]

yeah but my guild most likely likes add dmg anyways

so itll be fine

[wintry heart]

I finally will have enough crests for myth track weapon upgrade tomorrow. On the off chance of getting a myth dagger in vault should I wait to retract?

[short radish]

i mean if it's this late into the week you may as well wait

unless youre raiding

[warm marlin]

muh private logs

[wintry heart]

I am not. Mostly a heroic pug here or there to try and get raid trinkets

[short radish]

private logs are cringe and not pogchamp

[short radish]

just save then

[warm marlin]

i might even play law on paladins too

[wintry heart]

Also did I miss a memo why is everyone panda

[warm marlin]

i might end up sandbagging my dagger craft until alleria prog

[short radish]

double feast buff strong

[short radish]

back to yellow name

[warm marlin]

never before seen levels of sandbagging

[warm marlin]

back home

[steel horizon]

anyone have an idea why top gear is trying to send my haste from 690 to 750 ish? its also adding vers in there as well when according to my stat weights, mas and crit are both weighted higher than haste and vers

[rich canopy]

Are you using M+ talents

[short radish]

i sat myself for dragons

[steel horizon]

no its the raid cleave build

[short radish]

was given the choice of 3rd mage or me

but i kinda just cbf

[lucid jackal]

Guys we need

EMERGENCY

monday buffs

[hazy lichen]

How do u check that

[pastel geyser]

Never trust a clanker

[hollow raptor]

wowprogress

[cosmic prairie]

how many seconds does light company guidon give u, if ur @ a perfect world of haste already

having to cast puzzle box is tilting me i need a new trinket

[strange chasm]

But max went on stream and said rogue is fine

XD

[hollow raptor]

bring a rogue to vanguard he says

[strange chasm]

He just said bring a rogue even though they do absolutely zero cleave damage! Ha!

[hollow raptor]

maybe if ur a rank 1000 guild!

after they take this boss out back and shoot it