subtlety

[short radish]

warrior + shaman + monk + dh

[keen dome]

the group that invites me

[short radish]

also yeah that

[keen dome]

But yeah absolutely warrior + shaman

Monk tank if possible because

[lilac moss]

Yah warriors are super sick to run with

[small vortex]

i run with brew-rsham-warrior and whatever last dps we have

[ivory garnet]

Shuriken Tornado or Veiltouched dont u think its better ?

[keen dome]

There's still so few pug groups hitting Crown. Really funny how hard dwagons and paladins are gatekeeping them

[ivory orchid]

when you guys practice rotation do you hit the dummy in silvermoon

[keen dome]

@tribal blade What's your iLevel atm, outta interest?

[keen dome]

Yeah - or stormwind, etc. Just something to hit and push buttons against.

[tribal blade]

264/265, would be higher but i've been having horrible loot luck in keys

[keen dome]

Yeee

High5

[tribal blade]

i've given away over half the gear i get

because it's all slots i don't need

[keen dome]

Yep, same

[tribal blade]

and any time someone gets something i need they can't trade it

[keen dome]

I am still rocking 2 vet pieces lol

[alpine wraith]

i need rings gloves and shoulder

[willow bobcat]

I have like 20 capes

[tribal blade]

i've watched 3 people get the haste/mast ring from MT and not need it but can't trade it

[keen dome]

Ring and Belt are Vet, then champ chest and other ring. Then I'm done.

I think I could get to 268 this reset

[ivory orchid]

I keep testing st on the dummy and i cant get close off by like 5k over 5 mins trying to find out what is going on

[tribal blade]

i spammed keys today and didn't get a single ilvl upgrade

insane

[keen dome]

wild

[ivory orchid]

games rigged

[tribal blade]

surely it's better tomorrow 🙂

[keen dome]

Are you making sure you have all the raid buffs toggled off, etc? I'm personally not a fan of trying to hit the sim number but you might have something toggled on, or something else influencing it.

[tribal blade]

also i'm trying to build up a set for sin

[keen dome]

Just get the rotation good enough and you'll go far

[tribal blade]

but everyone needs everything i get

reeee

[ivory orchid]

at it to the rogue forums about how they are ruining rogue representation due to you not getting the gear you want on demand

[keen dome]

hahah

[tribal blade]

lol nah i've done my complaining on the forum

[keen dome]

I want reset so I can catalyst

Glorious hat

[tribal blade]

as per usual it has barely any replies because noone plays rogue

[keen dome]

Also the EU / US forum split

[ivory orchid]

I have gotten only hands and helm nothing else

I did get some wellfare hero track cloaks though

[short radish]

just loot one

[keen dome]

I'm hoping I do

[ivory orchid]

loot 2

[keen dome]

But so far I'm playing the pug applying simulator

[tribal blade]

actually looking at my gear i've gotten quite a few equippable things

[ivory garnet]

is there any addons to help me track buffs like the first dance ?

[tribal blade]

it's just the past 2 days it's been really bad luck

[ivory garnet]

soo i can test how many time it will proc will in dung ?

[ivory orchid]

I feel like ancient arts sometimes is displayed by cdm even over 5 stack of shadow techs

[tribal blade]

i will take this bad luck though if it means i can loot the NP ring for the 2 set

[ivory orchid]

does it have an internal cd

nvm

[void ocean]

morning kings

had a weird dream last night, tuning changes were out and rogue wasnt included...

[jaunty heath]

i had the same dream

[void ocean]

we saw that

[plush roost]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[raw ridge]

question guys
what are those blue combo points?

[void ocean]

supercharged

[plush roost]

Supercharger and a LoT of then

[vagrant fulcrum]

supercharged combo points, read centre capstone and 2 talents above it in class tree

basically imagine echoing reprimand combo points but guaranteed on next finisher

if you played sl

[steel wyvern]

the tank is holding us hostage in an m+ key

is there anything i can do

or do i just leave and get punished

[short radish]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

i added some chinese to the last bit

[short radish]

??????????

[plush roost]

You have to leave a lot to be punished just dip

[steel wyvern]

afk at the entrance and keeps starting votes to abandon

[short radish]

what a dickhead

[raw ridge]

thank you, ElvUI apparently is bugged and I thought it were those but it doesn't update them when you pop blade dance

[void ocean]

whats the best addon for ilvl

[steel wyvern]

apparently im gonna get flagged as a keystone deserter

unlucky

[livid cape]

I use Oilvl

[steel wyvern]

does anyone know where i can go to talk to someone who can actually do something about that

obviously blizz support doesnt do anything

[velvet nova]

When do we close the discord

[vagrant fulcrum]

can't you just logout

in the key

without leaving? or would that flag you too

[steel wyvern]

i left the group

[keen dome]

Just go afk, imo

[steel wyvern]

i mean

im trying to go to bed

[wheat edge]

I swear assa is great in seat

[keen dome]

You can report the tank though, not that it'll do much. But if other people do it too they'll get flagged for a silence or something

[wheat edge]

this shit just kills the prio targets

[steel wyvern]

at the end of the day i put in the complaints, blizz is giga fucking stupid for inputting the system like that

like this is insane

someone can just afk and hold you hostage

[vagrant fulcrum]

they just copied riot

[steel wyvern]

it does nothing

[vagrant fulcrum]

this idea that the game is serious / competitive etc does improve average quality of key / less insta leavers bricking keys

but its dumb how they implemented it

[keen dome]

It works well most of the time but they need something to tackle that weird, franly, niche issue that does happen

[steel wyvern]

i mean im now punished

im flagged as a key deserter

[keen dome]

You have to do it a lot to get flagged

It doesn't flag you on the first leave

[steel wyvern]

for leaving a key where i was being held hostage afk at the entrance of the dungeon for 15 minutes

idk the prompt says i was gonna be flagged

maybe it just appears like that every time but that was the first key i left

[keen dome]

throw up a group and ask someone to see if it's flagged you

[vagrant fulcrum]

ngl the whole score thing being the only motivator for keys above 10 or 12 or w/e is stupid too

[steel wyvern]

im logged out

[vagrant fulcrum]

they need to add meaningful rewards so people want to finish the key even if out of time

[steel wyvern]

idk that legit just pissed me the fuck off

im spending money

and they allow some dumbass person to waste my time like that

[keen dome]

Ye, valid. Not trying to say you don't have to a right to be 'cos the system does have a flaw there. It's bullshit it can happen at all.

[steel wyvern]

and tell me im gonna get punished for doing that

[keen dome]

But it shouldn't have punished you for a single leave the first time.

[steel wyvern]

yeah i mean it probably didnt

even tho it said it would

[keen dome]

I think the warning shows up every time, yeah

[steel wyvern]

but idk if i want to continue playing wow tbh

thats insane

[keen dome]

It's very easy to fix btw.

it gets removed after one or two keys finished without leaving

[steel wyvern]

yeah i mean

i dont really care

[keen dome]

The only thing it does is show you with a warning in group finder

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1487198306655273091/image.png?ex=69c844db&is=69c6f35b&hm=9789be70d0eb561f2b6cf6cd07e36ba103e85a1318b289af62a672305b3558b8&

[steel wyvern]

its just that discouraging leaving etc now promotes the same shit behaviour that people have in league

id much much prefer just people leaving keys

it was never much of an issue for me at all

[keen dome]

it is but I think the "someone holding the key hostage" is pretty rare.

[wheat edge]

if you run puzzlebox on sub in keys, do you run guidon aswell and just double on use?

[steel wyvern]

idk that just ruined my session more than anyone leaving a key ever did

[jaunty heath]

if you get this flag as rogue, you dont get invited to single key rest of season btw

[vagrant fulcrum]

kekw

[steel wyvern]

idk in my experience i can barely remember the last time someone left a key

whereas this is insane to me

[dry plank]

We were in same situation yday, fury war sabotage key in nexus, pull extra to wipe group, standing afk for 10 min etc and get loot at the end

[keen dome]

I assume it was their key

So you couldn't just vote abandon

[dry plank]

It was my key

[keen dome]

Why didn't you vote abandon then?

[dry plank]

And I want finish for vault 🙂

[keen dome]

That doesn't remotely seem like the same issue then

[steel wyvern]

It was a standoff they wouldn’t vote abandon because they wanted him to get punished

Cause he was the person refusing

[keen dome]

That's weird

[dry plank]

Issue not exactly same but very annoying to play

I want kick this idiot and finish key but can’t

[steel wyvern]

It’s just instead of leaving you now afk and do something on second monitor etc while staying in the dungeon

And you don’t get punished

And you can’t kick people from the group

[dry plank]

Yes

[steel wyvern]

Pugging is just completely ruined for me

I will never put again

Pug

[keen dome]

Pugging is great.

[alpine wraith]

ok guys time to make the doomer video

[keen dome]

I've been in three keys today and they've all ended in absolutely comical situations that demonstrate most people can't do +10's

[alpine wraith]

i have been doing some of my 11s

and i do well to do them because with these orangutans likely i will eventually deplete one

think i had like 21 deaths on my last seat

still timed it tho

[mighty citrus]

Keys are much more forgiving this season anyway

[keen dome]

They're reeeeeally chill which is why pugging can be exceptionally funny atm

[wise fulcrum]

I did a +10 today with 2 guild mates and 2 PuGs and we failed. Some of it was my fault but I can't really parse out what went wrong overall. Pretty sre it was placement of some things.

[keen dome]

Which dungeon?

[wise fulcrum]

SoT. third boss took us 3 attempts. I know I screw up the first one hitting an orb while we were trying to clear them

maybe it was a healing issue, but I don't play healer enough to know

[keen dome]

SoT has a lot of mechanical knowledge, yeah. Some of it is weird.

Def one of the harder keys this season

[wise fulcrum]

I've been playing outlaw, and I really don't want to switch to sub, but I'm feeling like I have to

[keen dome]

You can play whatever you want until a very high level so I'd just stick to what you are having fun with for now

[spare oar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

bosses are very hard in seat

you need to play them well

[wise fulcrum]

well I'm doing a +6 Nexus with a sub rogue in the group too. He's got no enchants and a lower ilvl and no tier. So if he out damages me I'm switching

[void ocean]

cant see that totem on the last boss

[tribal blade]

bro i hate the last boss so much

that damn room

is so hard to look around

[void ocean]

everything is purple ffs

[tribal blade]

at least the visual clarity is good on the first 3

more so for me that it's in a very confined room

so your camera gets up your ass

[void ocean]

that too

[keen dome]

When I did it as my first key on reset, I was just going "uh... uh... AM I DOING IT RIGHT" the entire fight lmao

[tribal blade]

btw how do you know which notes to hit on the last boss

it's so unclear

[keen dome]

I think it's the ones with purple around them?

Or is it the ones with a white mark above them

[tribal blade]

i'm trying to find concrete info on it

[keen dome]

I think it's the ones surrounded with purple though

[tribal blade]

lol yeah it's bad

[void ocean]

i tho it doesnt matter?

[tribal blade]

it does

[keen dome]

'cos I recall hitting that and then Lura immediately goes into the aoe -> damage amp

[void ocean]

lmao alright

[tribal blade]

if you don't clear them you get ramping dmg

[keen dome]

You also want the damage amp

[tribal blade]

and it's really hard on the healer

there's 6 notes

you clear 3, those 3 then explode for those big circles and the boss shuffles them around

[tribal blade]

then you need to clear the other 3

only once you clear them you get the amp

[keen dome]

Yeah

Which lets you absolutely demolish the boss HP

[tribal blade]

every single guide doesn't tell you which notes are still active lol

[void ocean]

destroy the damn chandelier

[keen dome]

if I ever run the dungeona gain I'll actively try to figure it out

I've done it on +10, I don't have to do it again until I'm pushing for 3k.

[alpine wraith]

last boss triumvirate they have like sound coming from them

if you hit them they become silenced

and they move around

you have to hit the other 3 that are making sound if you didnt miss them before

[keen dome]

Aha, now we know

I assume the sound is the little white mark?

[alpine wraith]

and yea for us you want to miss 1 on the second set

[tribal blade]

MMMMM yes ok it's the ones that are glowing purple

[alpine wraith]

so we get 1:30 mins back

[hollow spear]

Post screenshot of what to hit

I'm always inting

[tribal blade]

holy shit it's so unlcear

wtf

[alpine wraith]

let me check i did a video with it

but it is the full runs of M+ so might take a bit to find

[tribal blade]

https://youtu.be/le_REV0ScLg?si=a3jIA2qkP-3wf6Zt&t=257 4:17

[keen dome]

Should just go in on a +2 and actively fuck around on the fight to figure it out

[tribal blade]

you can see the note vibrating

i dunno it's still unclear

i dunno

[alpine wraith]

hit this ones

[keen dome]

the big purple

[tribal blade]

ok

[alpine wraith]

then they become silenced

and will be like that until the ampo

[keen dome]

Ah, so white note = silence, big purple = noise

[small vortex]

i just assume big and scary = bad

[spring zenith]

Anyone not getting let into keys? :S like arent we like top damagers at this point?

[keen dome]

You aren't getting into keys 'cos there are a trillion DPS applying to every key

It's not so much that you are a rogue and more that there's so much competition.

[tribal blade]

the big issue is the boss shuffles them after you do the first set

[cloud jasper]

melee has a real bad stigma atm

[tribal blade]

so you have to actually check where they went

[spring zenith]

aaw , thank you, was just wondering... never had this issue

gotta get to higher lvls i guess

less competition

[keen dome]

I'm 266 and still struggle to get invited because there's simply so many people applying. It's unlikely they even see your app and are just slamming the first high iLevel they see.

[alpine wraith]

they shuffle quite a bit

[keen dome]

Just gotta keep on keepin' on

[tribal blade]

if you're a dps there's a ton of people apping to keys atm

it's normal

[keen dome]

If you have a +10, I recommend putting it up and just watching.

[void ocean]

so I assume this one is not correct then cause the right one is not active?

[tribal blade]

they might have only had 1 note left to do

by missing 1 from the 2nd set

[keen dome]

hitting a silenced note does nothing and you always get 3 beams

[ivory orchid]

That room sucks

[alpine wraith]

yea there are 6 total

if you miss you will get another try later but yea

[tribal blade]

it's really bad missing

[small vortex]

these were also videos of beta/ptr keys

[alpine wraith]

nah you actually want to miss 1 on second set

[small vortex]

so people just didnt know stuff id imagine

[tribal blade]

me and my guildie wiped on the last boss of 12 seat today because it's so unclear

[alpine wraith]

for many specs lineups with dmg

[tribal blade]

killed it after but still

[tribal blade]

ahh i see

[small vortex]

doesnt the amp phase take forever to start too

[alpine wraith]

if you are 2 min you get like 5 to 7 secs of dmg on amp

[tribal blade]

what time do you get the dmg amp if you clear it in 2 sets

[hollow spear]

I think I've done that dungeon 7-8 times now and didn't get a single burn with blades haha

[alpine wraith]

if you are 1:30 you get them back

if you do it in 2 sets it is like 1:10 to 1:15

when it begins

[tribal blade]

i think you aim to always clear in 2 sets unless the healer is confident

because we didn't clear in 2 sets

and this pug healer couldn't keep up

[small vortex]

im gonna tell my healer to let us clear in 3

this guy likes healing

[keen dome]

Yeah, she does a big cast

[tribal blade]

the ramping dmg gets kinda out of control

[hollow spear]

Not doing it in 2 sets also implies that you had blades when you start

[alpine wraith]

only 1 guy does no dmg

you still have 5 silenced

[tribal blade]

mmm true yeah

we must have missed more than just 1 then

[alpine wraith]

also yea if you do it on 2 sets this is what happens

[small vortex]

yeah if you hit 3 then 2 its probably healable for a while

to hit last for cds

[hollow spear]

Yeah but you don't always go into that fight with blades up, do you

So then you kinda wanna hold blades and do 2 sets

[small vortex]

if you go in without blades up ye you probably just do 2 and send

[keen dome]

Yeah

[small vortex]

cause most classes have dmg for burn then

other than a few like mm with trueshot ig

[alpine wraith]

the boss is hard enough that you can just wait for cds a bit before doing it

to have blades at the beginning

[hollow spear]

You're asking for a lot of coordination in pugs

[alpine wraith]

or you just did a boss and there is like 40 secs of rp

[small vortex]

i mean pugs might just miss anyway in low keys

[tribal blade]

i feel like they might make the visual indicator better

very likely that boss is farming pugs

[small vortex]

also has anyone noticed the last boss of xenas like double hitting with the clone thing he does

[keen dome]

I bet last boss xenas is farming pugs, too

[small vortex]

where it puts the circle on you that spawns one of his clones

[tribal blade]

true lol

[small vortex]

i got hit for like 400k through evasion

[void ocean]

what about last boss in maisara

[tribal blade]

might be venn diagrammed with someone else

[hollow spear]

what does evasion do there?

[keen dome]

he seems very very easy

second boss seems harder

[tribal blade]

nah the 2nd boss in caverns

is horrible

[small vortex]

well i had feint too but ye

[tribal blade]

with idiots

[keen dome]

final boss is just kill totems, get damage amp, win

[tribal blade]

i've watched that boss brick in a pug 3 times in a row

[small vortex]

forgot evasion isnt a dr

[tribal blade]

each in different ways

[keen dome]

Yeah

Even when I was doing them with my buddies, we almost wiped to 2nd boss 'cos of weird decisions on spooky ghosts

[tribal blade]

it is if you're running elusiveness

[hollow spear]

people are so horny to pop the balls

[keen dome]

haha

[tribal blade]

bro this tank took the boss and sat him on top of where the adds spawn

[keen dome]

final boss xenas is funny 'cos it's almost always people randomly interrupting

[tribal blade]

and in disc i said "there's no shot this is where the adds spawn..."

[keen dome]

haha

[tribal blade]

then they spawn and the one we're on top of insta explodes

and everyone dies

[keen dome]

hero, honestly

I hope he got paid good by the boss

[tribal blade]

🙂

btw imagine if rogues got aoe kidney

[keen dome]

It'd be cool

[tribal blade]

and then for sub umbral edge spawns a BP clone for kidney

[keen dome]

I'm beyond aoe kidney now. I'm full on @short radish's raid buff idea.

[tribal blade]

well raid buff isn't enough 🙂

it would be huge

but the full treatment would be raid buff+more utility

[keen dome]

Well we are getting AoE blind back

[tribal blade]

yeah true

but aoe blind is not very good as cc goes

[keen dome]

AoE kidney would own but like, I think it's okay enough

[tribal blade]

it's mid

[keen dome]

smoke bomb los button though

[tribal blade]

i would replace the aoe blind talent with aoe kidney

[tribal blade]

rogue would become incredibly good

really really good

[wise fulcrum]

sigh. On the second boss of nexus sub rgue did 94k and I did 62k with outlaw. I'm playing mostly correct

[keen dome]

Second boss id amage amp

[steel zinc]

we had this once in 10.2 ptr

was goated

[keen dome]

Sub is insane on damage amps

[tribal blade]

yeah i remember

[wise fulcrum]

he was probably 10 ilvls lower and no enchants.

[tribal blade]

everyone was saying "it's too OP"

i actually disagree

after seeing boomies literally solo cc trash packs

it's not OP

[wise fulcrum]

Overall for the dungeon:
Outlaw 68.52m
Sub 68.37m

[tribal blade]

just nerf the duration on secondary mobs

and it's not OP

[wise fulcrum]

Although I was doing stuns, kicks, etc and he wasnt

[tribal blade]

that'll take a toll on your dps for sure

not kicks

but cc

but the mental bandwidth to do kicks does affect things yeah

those people don't get very far in general

not unless they do absolutely bonkers dps

as key levels get higher you create an enormous strain on the group if you don't kick/cc

and most keys you're in will fail

[small vortex]

ngl this season does have quite a bit of unkickable and unccable dmg

like spellbreaker dot in mt

[jaunty heath]

what was this propaganda that assa is decent in keys

its not even close to sub

[cosmic dust]

the higher the key the better I guess, stuff is dying too quick atm

[jaunty heath]

and ppl putting blackjack in public builds, getting aggro everytime i press mark

[short radish]

another one converted to the cause

[random mason]

Whats your raid buff idea

[void ocean]

allow kidney to stun boss, 2 min cd

[short radish]

+3% crit

[jaunty heath]

yeah that sound decent

[short radish]

and give paladins/dks +3% haste

[rancid epoch]

guys, I have recrafted dagger with myth crests, do I recraft the waist this week as well or should I hold to the crests for something?

[jaunty heath]

but blizzard to pussy give us anything meaningful

[random mason]

Are you raiding mythic

[rancid epoch]

yes. I am

[void ocean]

lies

[random mason]

You might have to sim it but i think theres better slots for your myth crests than belt

If you're actually getting loot that is

[jaunty heath]

i crafted mythic belt after i saw roster for this week

[rancid epoch]

I doubt I will loot anything this week

[jaunty heath]

i will craft my way to full mythic 😄

[random mason]

Sparkliest rogue around

I kinda wish that embellishment gave some sparkle effect

You guys think we're getting a free HC craft next week for killing the last boss?

[keen dome]

Nah

I don't think so because they changed the system

So it'd be a free 80 crests if anything

[random mason]

Hmm that was pretty nice the last seasons

Bit of a shame

[void ocean]

btw whats the fastest way for alt lvling, i got bored of delves a bit

[jaunty heath]

rested xp questing

[round jolt]

hey guyys

[upbeat cradle]

Do all delves once at lvl 80-81, quest up to 87-88, complete all delves quests you had from lvl 81. First craft bonuses up to 90

[round jolt]

what should I craft for Sub rogue ? is there a channel for it ?

[upbeat cradle]

Dagger

And maybe belt or bracer

[round jolt]

okay but how and which one

I need a guide 🙁

[upbeat cradle]

Haste mastery mythic farstrider's mercy with hunt sigil

[void ocean]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[jade oasis]

doesn’t matter how much dos u do

[tribal blade]

it can if you do rank 1 type dmg

[jade oasis]

u will hit the wall of “oh i didn’t kick so someone got one tapped”

[tribal blade]

people really really care about dps

but yes you're right

[keen dome]

People care about the brutal number without the nuance requiered to understand it.

Tale as old as time in anything.

Finally found a sensible group for +10 Nexus and lol it's so chill when people push buttons

[round jolt]

thanks

[open swan]

after my opener , should i be dancing a second time to keep shadow blades damage rolling?

or just holding for next sec tec

no 4pce

[upbeat cradle]

Two dances in SB

[open swan]

fk ive been wondering why my sb damage is horrific

[upbeat cradle]

Third dance should come back around same time as second sectech anyways

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

you always double dance during blades, 4 pc/guidon just change when you send your 2nd dance

[jade oasis]

it changes to when sectec is at 2s cd correct?

[short radish]

@tribal blade its so p*sh week

[tribal blade]

HUGE

i hit 3k today too

[short radish]

14s are still kinda chill

except AA

AA was tight timer

like 30 seconds left

[olive canyon]

they are all pretty easy at the moment

[short radish]

oh AA was 15

[olive canyon]

but im just pugging - and its hard to find a good group at even that range

[tribal blade]

i'm just doing 12-13s with my guildies

[olive canyon]

Pit seems tight on a 14

[tribal blade]

taking it super easy atm

[short radish]

bro i pugged some 10s and they are competing on tank damage

[olive canyon]

i did that 13 pit carrying one dps

i wish i had a full stack, some tanks pull big, some pull 2-5 mobs

14 pit timer felt tighter

[tribal blade]

i'm having to resist the urge to try to find IO keys after my guildies go to bed

[short radish]

i know you're a filthy p*sher

do it now

get ahead of the crowd

[olive canyon]

Sub does feel good on keys

[tribal blade]

LOL

nah

ENABLING ME

AFTER ALL THIS TIME

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

i'm treating this like a drug addiction

[olive canyon]

I got ahead of the curve and it was still tough pugging good players

its just too easy at the moment

you are rolling the dice hard in pugs

[tribal blade]

always like that

at the start of a season

[olive canyon]

kinda killed by desire to push once i hit 3k

[tribal blade]

the shitters don't get weeded out until a bit later

[olive canyon]

just got the mount and thought f it

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-fatima-zatima-cut-it-out-bet-networks-gif-15011333061627781879

[tribal blade]

i am i am

i did weekly guild keys instead

and had fun

no solo pushing

[olive canyon]

playing my frost mage

and ranged life is justs nuts

you just blast

[tribal blade]

ranged is always chill in keys

[tall girder]

wait

[tribal blade]

don't let them ever gaslight you into anything else

[tall girder]

fimb is catching up to me

[tribal blade]

because it's lies

[olive canyon]

hyper chill

nexus point as a damn ranged is a joke

you are just loving life

[tribal blade]

ranged will have like 1 hard pull or 1 hard boss

and you don't hear the end of it

[modern sentinel]

Most stuff is chill as ranged

[olive canyon]

only thing in pugs is that i miss feint which is so good

[tall girder]

[tribal blade]

and then 85% of the rest of the key is hell on earth for melee

[short radish]

wtf you're also p*shing?

[tall girder]

yea

[dreamy badger]

i hate my life every second when i am not a rogue

[olive canyon]

Mage cd cadence is amazing

[tall girder]

M+ insta decline stand in city like npc

[olive canyon]

you feel like you are constantly blasting

[modern sentinel]

What is the hardest key you pushers would say?

[tall girder]

only one that feels tight is AA

[olive canyon]

high AA and i think pit key will be tight for timer

imo, but im just pugging at 3k, maybe those keys are easier in coordinated groups

[tall girder]

nah pit chill bc the trash is so condensed

[olive canyon]

Maisara...interesting found that quite easy

Tanks mate, somne dont pull any thing

[tribal blade]

caverns is rough

[olive canyon]

Maybe ill try push later but tanks not pulling much is poop

[tribal blade]

the trash after 1st boss until last boss

[olive canyon]

second boss seems a poop head for healers id imagine

[tribal blade]

can die in a fire

[modern sentinel]

Seen tanks stand in the middle of the bridge

[olive canyon]

i did this yoda route on a 13 yesterday and it felt real nice

[tall girder]

@short radish can u stop for the day im about to go to bed

[vale pine]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[jade oasis]

i feel like pit has a forgiving timer

[wheat edge]

was kinda hoping dungeon slice would like double on use

[jade oasis]

the trash is just evil

[rain hull]

Boys how much DMG are u Guys crankin at the lashers pull in algethar? Like every mob+ BL

A feral doin 1.2mil, while in sit there 500ishK altho i feel like i do nothin wrong

[olive canyon]

I like the trash in pit a lot, but you do need stops

[vale pine]

i also added !companion because i will forget how the trinket is named in an hour

and companion is something i more likely remember

(its the same as !guidon)

[olive canyon]

I thinik ive just had bad tanks so i cant blast, if the tank is scared

puglife

[jade oasis]

bro i remember i was doing a 12, tank pulled one of those bats and a dragon

[olive canyon]

that first pull in seat can be so fun but ive seen tanks just drop

[jade oasis]

and i got picked up in the breath

[olive canyon]

yikes

i landed in that

[jade oasis]

and died during my blades

i felt sick to my stomach after

[olive canyon]

dying in a key with blades, puzzle, cds up is the worst fucking feeling

[vale pine]

is ths your tier list?

[olive canyon]

i think its archon

[tribal blade]

haha nah archon

[olive canyon]

so based on data and how many keys are being completed etc

[wheat edge]

I am actually very happily surprised by pit of saron

that dungeon is a banger imo

[olive canyon]

I like it

I actually kinda like this pool

Actually i dont like skyreach

that is the only one where i rather not

[wheat edge]

I like the vareity in dungeons also

[jade oasis]

seat has a lot of haters but i like it

[olive canyon]

seat is a banger when pulled well

[jade oasis]

only dungeon i dont like is algethar

[tribal blade]

don't ever use step during intermission on 1st boss of skyreach

[jade oasis]

and that’s bc

[olive canyon]

there is that part i think after the 1st or second boss where some tanks legit just pull 2 mobs and i lose my mind but i like all the fights in there

[calm wing]

preach

[jade oasis]

i’ve ran it like 20 times and i haven’t even seen a puzzle box drop

and my tanks keep dying on the first pull

[calm wing]

I've had that happen twice today 😭 Glad im not the only one

[olive canyon]

i like wide open places but sky reach seems very linear and poop

[tall girder]

ive looted 3 hero puzzle boxes

gotta run with me

[olive canyon]

I havent seen it

we should run triple rogue, war, resto sham

it would be ...a sight

[jade oasis]

bro get me in your groups

wtf

double sub rogue keys

[ripe moon]

Would assa do far more dmg on AA first big pull? Since sub is capped?

[marble sierra]

both misdirect to the third dps, assert dominance 😏

[jade oasis]

probably

i don’t do very crazy dmg that pull

but i am only in 2 set so

[wheat edge]

bro perma tricks on sub

just snaps shit when you wipe LMAO

we just died 10 times in a row cause the pack spawn killed us

[tribal blade]

i untalented it for this reason

not worth it right now

[wheat edge]

??

[tall girder]

I’m not even using puzzle box in keys rn

[naive cedar]

I got Light Company Guidon trinket from first boss on myth track. Do I just send crests into it, or is it worth waiting for double hero trinkets since it's 1/6 M? o.o

[wheat edge]

this game is so broken xd

[old spindle]

send 1 3/6 trinket to cap. use 20 crests to send another trinket from 5/6 to 6/6 and full send guidon to 6/6

[jade oasis]

so that’s what’s causing it

[ripe moon]

Same here. Our destro lock destroyed meters and I was like 4 times lower. Rest of the dungeon was fine. But this pull is somewhat disappointing

[jade oasis]

it is what it is

that pull feels even worse on outlaw

so i can’t complain

[vale pine]

My experience so far:

• Pit of Sauron: Easiest dungeon tuning wise.
• Seat: Hardest part is the 2nd to last boss, the tentacles can slap. The tank can pull too big and die, which happens quite a bit.
• Spire: Is just an average dungeon; the packs are less annoying than in others.
• Nexus point / Skyreach: Super Railroaded dungeons, but no extremely punishing mechanics.
• Magisters Tarrace: Horrible dungeon, especially the indoor sections are a pain in terms of camera position, even tho the difficulty is still managable.
• Academy: Has some insanely brutal packs, which will deplete your key fast. These are not that bad in an organized group tho, which is why you likely see it as the worst in the tier list.
• Maisara Caverns: It's design-wise horrible, the key overuses anti-melee mechanics, tho its harder to deplete than caverns.

[tribal blade]

i agree so hard with caverns

it's so miserable as melee

[vale pine]

I had the intial impression on beta when playing there

[tribal blade]

i love seeing how blizz can make melee life as nightmarish as possible every season

[vale pine]

then i thought to myself: maybe i was too harsh on it, i did not know the key well

[long marlin]

So according to the sub faq, we ignore the sim and stack haste to 700? As the faq states, my sim puts me towards 610

[vale pine]

but then more i play the key, then more i agree on my initial impression

[vale pine]

650-700 ye

[tribal blade]

it's pretty bad

i enjoy getting spam knocked up by the green tornados

and having to burn step charges to get back down

[vale pine]

i played way too many keys the last days

and academy

[tribal blade]

haha me too

[vale pine]

ranged can fuck melees sooo hard

[fossil forge]

Pit of sauron absolute banger dungeon u just pull all and hold W

[analog hearth]

But what if I can play like a robot

[vale pine]

between 2nd and 3rd boss

[analog hearth]

I will obey the Sim lord

[vale pine]

it becoems a rly hard dungeon if players don't know what to do

[tribal blade]

the worst part i found of AA is the trash before last boss

[vale pine]

and its a super easy depeate

if thats the case

[tribal blade]

where rogue is actually good

because you can shroud it

[austere elm]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[wheat edge]

fatebound sin blow 4 step charges in 2 seconds getting knocked up -> step back into a nado and repeat

[tribal blade]

i'm assuming all high key AA routes will try to skip as much of the last trash as possible

[wheat edge]

same as first boss in skyreach

[tribal blade]

first boss in skyreach i just don't step during intermissions

i realized that's a place where a tank step macro would be really good

might need to use that again

[naive cedar]

Is haste threshold also relevant with guidon?

[tribal blade]

yes

[mortal skiff]

how much increase was 4set bonus?

[tribal blade]

guidon doesn't change it

[vale pine]

about that

you can pull around it to do shroud-less

[mighty citrus]

can you actually make those generic with something like tank1 similar back then to boss1, 2,3 ... etc?

[vale pine]

so its rly not that much of an advantage

[tribal blade]

yeah if you time the pats well

you can walk around stuff

but more often than not someone pulls if you try that

i think ideally you try to skip EVERYTHING there

you can

[vale pine]

funnily enough

[tribal blade]

they made all those mobs turbo nuclear difficulty

[vale pine]

we haven't had a caverns

[tribal blade]

the casters spam cast

[vale pine]

in 3 days of key pushing

XD

[tribal blade]

and the melee mobs do so much dmg

lol damn

i've done quite a few caverns

seen people fuck up the 2nd boss in many different ways now

[vale pine]

seat is scary

because it can go south quick

[tribal blade]

bosses are hard in seat

[vale pine]

but its super chill if you don't overpull

[olive canyon]

the healing check on thta second boss is tough

[vale pine]

only 2nd to last one rly

[olive canyon]

again the yoda route is real nice

[tribal blade]

feels like every boss in seat blows

[olive canyon]

bro the big dmg buff

[young apex]

boys

i have a question

on 2 targets

what do i use

like 3 targets i go storm and black powder

but what do i do on 2 tagets ?

[mighty citrus]

mate have a look at faq

it says the conditions when to use what

it depends on dance or no dance etc

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[lilac stag]

Seat is rough. We did it yolo as a 10 twice. Missed timing it the first time. Tank overpulled for number of aoe stops we had. Meld is crazy good defensively it seems this tier.

[tribal blade]

yeah meld is incredible in seat

and in most dungeons

there are big mechanics you can meld/vanish

[rain ingot]

guys i need a plater profile
do we have any profile available here ?

[celest ice]

Jundies is good i gues

[waxen matrix]

Are we able to send SecTec#2 in blades, with! Supercharge outside of lust? the only way for me to do that is if i delay my Dance#2 a lot of gcds.... (running 700 haste and Guidon Trink with early use)

[brazen stone]

does any1 have a macro that automatically puts tricks on the tank in my group

[waxen matrix]

if not do we Send SecTec#2 within Blades but no Supercharge. or not at all? (all this outside of lust)

[brazen stone]

i used to have 1 i think but it stopped working

from last season

[celest ice]

just mouseover once per instances since we running 1hour tricks

[hazy breach]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[brazen stone]

wait im cooked

it lasts an hour now?

how come the animation still goes off when i press it every 30

[celest ice]

with talent in the middle tree

[brazen stone]

i thought it was just bugged honestly, i was wondering why it wasnt bein put on cd

[celest ice]

it doesnt put it to 1hour CD, look at the buffs you and tank gets

[celest ice]

i believe you still have to hit something during the tricks 30sec activation time in order the 1hour buff to activate, if you just slam it before key for example i dont think it activates, not 100% sure tho

[hazy breach]

Yes only the thread redirect duration is increased

Which is what happens after you hit a mob, it goes from 6 seconds > 60 minutes

[shadow snow]

I feel like the first dance talent is underused in my keys cause tanks either chain pull at less than 10% or pull too fast the next pull. Is it possible to replace it with something else?

[hazy breach]

Yeah but its probably not worth it

Youll get it after every boss atleast

[shadow snow]

Yes that is true but there are so many pulls that i dont get the benefits

[golden totem]

Now that we dont have any setup to do while tank is gathering, i try to not get in combat when tank starts gathering

[vestal relic]

tbf the other talent you could take are not that impactful in a m+ environnement

[torn cedar]

in m+ when do you pool and in what scenarios do you send suboptimal (hehe) dances? i have a tendency of sending my single charge of dance 10s before blades alot xd

[granite river]

well don’t do that

[vale osprey]

I just use the exact same rules as in ST p much

Not sure if that's optimal but have all my stuff lined up when I need it

[granite river]

there are some scenarios where you could start a boss with just dance if there’s a damage amp or something

~5 sec before dance you can stop finishing to try and stack sht

[old spindle]

Re:Fuu's pinned message on Deepening Shadows. is there any way to easily monitor it with all the addon changes and shiet?

[pulsar jolt]

should i spend my myth crests this week on upgrading both crafted pieces? i am likely to kill 1-2 mythic bosses this week so do i wait to see if i get voracious dagger / imperator trinket?

[vale pine]

nope

you would need to log your login time somewhere to estimate the server tick timing

[void ocean]

so...

jokes aside, when r we closing discord

😄

[keen dome]

they better not

where will I post??

[hazy breach]

Probably never, or when wow doesnt have any players left

[void ocean]

wow or rogue spec 😄

class*

[hazy breach]

The game, closing the discord would have literally no impact on balancing

[fleet wharf]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[void ocean]

reminding?

[fleet wharf]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[fleet wharf]

is there a chart showing what breakpoints we gain another second of dance?

[hazy breach]

Roughly every 500

[short radish]

@waxen matrix

[fleet wharf]

kind of a silly question, but if I have a 3/6 hero guidon, is there any point in raising it to 6 as a sub rogue?

[hazy breach]

Its more agility

[fleet wharf]

ohh

i am dumb, thanks, i missed that part of scaling

[old spindle]

the spreadsheet suggests you send 1 trinket to 6/6. this is 100% the one i would send to 6/6

[hazy breach]

But yes its less valueable than traditional trinket upgrades

[fleet wharf]

mind linking this spreadsheet? sounds useful

[old spindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iK2SZUcz_ljnkdTG7KW6pqfzaUDuSgnlh1HupcLrkus/edit?gid=53744607#gid=53744607

theres a link to the document. where to (minmax) spend your crests are there

[fleet wharf]

thanks, his guides are always so useful

[old spindle]

TLDR: Head Pants Chest, 1 ring(you intend to keep) and 1 trinket(you intend to keep) to 6/6

[fleet wharf]

also @hazy breach while you're still here, the bug/interaction with guidon is you need to use it 1 sec before you send your dance to make sure you get the full haste effect, right?

[old spindle]

then save 20 crests if you get lucky with a myth track item to do a 5/6-6/6 heroic upgrade to full send the myth track to 6/6 🙂

[brave sphinx]

Can any1 tell me why I can't hit over 90 on dragons, is it my talents? Not padding enough on adds?

Ccböt - Stormrage - Warcraft Logs https://share.google/qFt9lIZawKu1C51um

[old spindle]

BUT! this is truly Min Max Kela. follow if you want, they are loose guidelines

[brave sphinx]

I don't have 4 set maybe that's it

[hazy breach]

To make sure your dance benefits yes

[oblique grove]

During shadowblades on the opener do you instantly open a second dance when the first one ends without tier

[hazy breach]

Yes

[oblique grove]

W

[keen dome]

Crown pugging is just Ansurek all over again and it's very, very funny right now. Most groups wiping in the first 30 - 45 seconds.

[fleet wharf]

congrats on getting to crown pugging, do tell us more, i am quite interested

[hollow spear]

the perks of mostly organising your own groups

[keen dome]

Oh I've been there since last week. It's just a very intense fight for pugs 'cos people have to understand how the arrows work in P1. P2 isn't remotely as bad outside intense healing. And then P3 is just a ludicrous burn that goes wrong in every group I've been in that gets to it.

[fleet wharf]

arrows as in the white ones that break the shields right?

[keen dome]

Almost every single group I've been in just wipes in P1 'cos people brainlessly shoot arrows at the minibosses non-stop, wiping you

[fleet wharf]

do you have them on voice at all or are you doing it via chat?

[keen dome]

The arrows remove debuffs. The +% damage amp is a debuff. So you break shields once then aim arrows away. By the time the first one is dead, the other two are hugely debuffed and get burnt down

But everybody just aims arrows at the minibosses and you wipe

[fleet wharf]

I t hought it just made them too slow to die, how does multiple arows wipe you?

like I've wiped to us not killing the adds fast enough

are they just overlapped?

[keen dome]

Because P1 has a pretty tight DPS check because of the goop, etc.

Arrows do a lot of damage, too. So if people are making it take longer, everything takes longer and you rot down

[fleet wharf]

yea, for sure man. it felt really hard last week, this week with gear it was much more doable

i know there are ppl who pugged kills last week, but pretty crazy boss for sure

[keen dome]

Oh, incredibly. It's just mechanics this week.

But most pug groups are just refusing to do the arrows properly. Hence Ansurek, it's the popping issue again.

People don't learn how the mechanic works so they fuck it up and wipe the group.

[fleet wharf]

I'm guessing you have to remove such players as you identify them?

how much leeway do you give pugs?

[keen dome]

Not much on an end boss. I've just been pugging into the fight 'cos I cba leading my own today.

And most groups are the typical passenger princess lead doing nothing, then going "why we wipe"

[fleet wharf]

yea, fair enough

[fleet wharf]

truee, so annoying to have those

[keen dome]

It's good for getting reps in so I can do the first phase blindfolded

[little tapir]

Hello guys, could you tell me where i can find the best build for sub in mythic + runs ?

[fleet wharf]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[fleet wharf]

take your pick

[little tapir]

But they're all a bit different sometimes

For the bis gear most of the time it's really different

[fleet wharf]

the base information (what you need to max your damage) is the same, go with the one that is the easiest to understand

BIS gear isn't the important part, you can sim those yourself

[little tapir]

Okayy ty

First time rogue for midnight it's fun

But i feel like i really don't have a lot of keys to press xD

[fleet wharf]

glad you're liking it! that's true across the board though

[hazy breach]

Besides trinkets bis doesnt really exist

Or well, trinkets+special damage effects like crown of cosmos neck

[little tapir]

Yeah but i'm talking about trinkets specifically 😭

Your tier list is not the same as the wowhead one

[hazy breach]

Just use your guidon+renown trinket

[karmic harbor]

can i macro puzzle box

[hazy breach]

Until you get hc or mythic gaze/plume

[grand summit]

So like

[karmic harbor]

or do i need a seperate keybind

[grand summit]

Guidon

when do I press it

[grand summit]

its a cast

you have to do it seperate

takes like a second

[karmic harbor]

rip

[hazy breach]

Same as puzzlebox

[grand summit]

So just a second before the pull?

[hazy breach]

No

Just before blades

1s before

[little tapir]

Thank u

[grand summit]

feels so bad you cant macro guidon

[little tapir]

Wdym by that ?

[grand summit]

Wowhead says if you macro guidon it doesnt work due to the delay

[little tapir]

I use guidon with a macro combining my dance and blades

[short radish]

@tribal blade fuck me im p*shing

how do you do the amp boss on nexus king

you gotta kill the adds before amp

but then when its amp you don't have cds?

[keen dome]

Mage problem

[little tapir]

Damn i've been losing a lot of burst then

[grand summit]

it sucks so bad

[little tapir]

I use the trinket in the macro after dance

[frosty vector]

Should we craft both dagger and belt to 285 this week?

[dry plank]

Start burst few seconds before amp kill adds with first ST and 2nd into boss I guess

[little tapir]

If i’m really liking sub rogue can you guys recommend another spec that you think i’d like ?

I haven’t tried a lot of specs in the game

[little tapir]

Hope so bcause i did

Unless you’re doing mythic raid you’re only going to have 1 myth piece of gear next week anyways

[short radish]

mhmm makes sense

just feels awkward

[mortal skiff]

any1 got a link to how much tier set bonus improves our dmg?

the one in pinned messages doesnt work

[short radish]

its like 13%

[little tapir]

It says 13% on method

[short radish]

or 11%

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fossil forge]

@short radish goated pfp upgrade

HAH

[short radish]

[mortal skiff]

ty!

[fierce wing]

Make a macro with blades, trinket and pot.

Make a separate macro with sec tec and dance. Press blades macro first and then sec tec immediately after and you’ll have the buff in time.

[fleet wharf]

ehh, but aren't you burning blades time with that?

[fierce wing]

Is your blades macro’d to cast an ability as you press it?

[fleet wharf]

yea, I think that's how we thought it should work, but with how the server ticks update, you need to press guidon in particular a second earlier

[hazy breach]

Yes just use guidon a bit earlier

Hope blizzard fixes it so you can macro it

(unlikely to happen)

[fleet wharf]

it affects DKs too, it will surely be fixed

[hazy breach]

What

Its not the trinket

[fleet wharf]

oh, i guess they dont have a snapshot thing like we do

[hazy breach]

Its deepening shadows

The trinket applies its haste immediately

[fleet wharf]

TIL

[hazy breach]

The game just doesnt recalculate the dance duration immediately

[fleet wharf]

[hollow spear]

If you cast it exactly 1 second before, it's truly cursed

Soooo tight

[short radish]

another win for DKs

they can't keep getting away with this

another reason why snapshotting is cringe

[fleet wharf]

idk, I liked when dots snapshotted

[fiery flint]

Just simmed the Light Company Guidon on mythic, and somehow its a 0.5% dps loss. Any idea why that might be? Curently using the solarflare prism on hc and alnseer on Normal

[bleak night]

https://klipy.com/gifs/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it

[hazy breach]

#assassination

Improved garrote does now for some reason

[short radish]

aint no way

[bleak night]

[hazy breach]

That seems strange, link it

[fleet wharf]

not just one thing, I'm talking about doom from cataclysm

I liked playing demo back then because I found that interaction to be really fun

[fiery flint]

Re-simming rn, sending in a sec

[little tapir]

What specs to reroll if i’ve been liking sub rogue ?

[short radish]

not outlaw

[little tapir]

I meant classes

[short radish]

not outlaw

[fleet wharf]

what do you like about sub?

[little tapir]

Like specs from other classes

[little tapir]

Mhhh i like being melee

And the easy rotation tbh

[fleet wharf]

i mean that's a pretty easy criterion for you to figure out on your own

[little tapir]

But i hate energy

[short radish]

ret paladin

[fleet wharf]

tbh, most other classes are easy rn

yea, ret is a good starting point

[short radish]

is a class i play when i want to feel like a rogue

but have some more utility

and go mongo bongo

[fiery flint]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ntw3mLa26q3j7PMZoZo5vz here

[short radish]

it also allows you transition into trying out healing and tanking

because you are just playing a rogue except pressing healing finishers

[fleet wharf]

if you like furiously mashing buttson and never stopping, fury warr might be a good fit too

[little tapir]

Healing sounds too hard 😭🙏

[short radish]

its really not

people make it out to be the toughest job in the world

but it's actually so fucking easy

hp bar go down?

press heal

hp bar go up

[fleet wharf]

tbh it depends a lot on who/what group you are healing

mechanic comes, no one presses defensives

dies

one heal?

[short radish]

idk

if youre doing content at the level where no one is pressing defensives

you can outheal shit

[little tapir]

About that

[fleet wharf]

not if you're on a rat yourself

[little tapir]

How do i know when to use feint

[fleet wharf]

when you think/know damage is coming

[little tapir]

I feel like most of the times it’s not doing anything

[fleet wharf]

that can be reduced by feint

[short radish]

whenever a mechanic comes, you press it and pray it works

[fleet wharf]

but for now, just press it

if you get hit afterward, you used it right

[bleak night]

if literally anything is happening

press feint

[fleet wharf]

ok, b ut to be a bit more helpful, you can usually just spam out a feint while you are in shadow dance cuz you have surplus of energy

[bleak night]

even if it does nothing its like a nice little blanket to make you feel safe

[fleet wharf]

do keep it in mind it costs energy

[bleak night]

like having your feet under the covers so the monsters cant drag you to hell

[dry plank]

I got 100 healing log in 12 seat 🙂

[short radish]

based

idk healing is super chill

[hazy breach]

Oh its dslice, yeah idk

[dry plank]

As rogue 🙂

[short radish]

??????????

[bleak night]

crimson vial on cd

[fiery flint]

Raidbots does say trinkets are bugg rn, but I am not sure in what way

[hazy breach]

Nah its not that

[simple locust]

guys about the trinket crucible, is the effect increase by that void storm console active in m+?

[hazy breach]

Yes

All instanced content

[simple locust]

k ty

ok so i have to sim if heart of wind is better

[hazy breach]

Nah

Heart of wind is absolutely not better

The only thing you can farm from m+ that is "better", is the skyreach trinket that is a 0.2% upgrade if you have it absolutely maxxed at 276

But you could just use the renown trinket and upgrade anything else with those crests and you'd be better off

[tulip light]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[tulip light]

is this always or depending on lust?

[hazy breach]

It would mention lust if it was only during lust

[fiery flint]

Simmed for ST and it did sim as a massive dps increase. Noooot sure why its so different?

[simple locust]

ok ty, so ill stay with puzzle and crucible, sims agree 🙁

[hazy breach]

I havent done much for dslice as the haste scalings make it insanely obnoxious to try to line up things within the sim

Just get the guidon (puzzlebox is fine too for aoe)

[fiery flint]

Haha alright I will. Tbh I am a novice when it comes to simming. I sort of got the impression that Patchwerk= single target sims, and dslice= AoE. But that may not be the case?

[simple locust]

i have lfr guidon and champ puzzle

[keen dome]

Why can't I put the guidon inside the puzzle box.

[hazy breach]

Dslice is a way of approximating a key, with random pack sizes, boss sections and downtimes for restealth etc

But i just havent done much work on optimizing for dslice as of now

[fiery flint]

Ah, I see. Thanks for taking the time to explain it, appreciate it!

[midnight vault]

simmm to win... shall i still stack haste gems and enchants ? or more to mastery now? thx ❤️

unbuffed

[keen dome]

Nice mastery

[midnight vault]

gaze of the alsneer trinket helps 😉

[willow fulcrum]

I've had Guidon macro'd to Blades and push that button a moment before I hit my dance. Am I screwing myself over with that? I only ask because I know we have such a small window to hit all these buttons

[steep raven]

Losing a gcd in Blades could matter, without BL you can miss 2nd cast of sectec

[tulip light]

works perfectly fine for me

[sleek socket]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[robust saddle]

any chance anyone would have a working solution for a shroud countdown announcer ? xd

[hazy breach]

Dont believe so

[ionic agate]

hello

what emblishment should i make for sub

anyone can help

[manic salmon]

guys

[short radish]

i just want you to know I stayed up 2 more hours for this just to spite you

[manic salmon]

i have some bad news

[short radish]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[ionic agate]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[robust saddle]

darkmoon hunt for wep and arcanoweave for belt (or wrist)

[ionic agate]

aight ty

[gloomy kite]

if ur tryna spam delves the spirit paw bear zul'aman delve is so easy for rogue

can just sap for all 7 cages

killing the boss takes longer than clearing the delve

[waxen lintel]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[raven maple]

Sub doesn't have to go to stealth pre pull right? The only thing they get is FW from Shadowstrike, which you can get from backstabs and shuriken storm correct?

[hollow spear]

We get premeditation

And why would you not stealth?

[plucky coral]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[raven maple]

If tank is chain pulling

[hollow spear]

Well yeah, then you just go with the flow

[raven maple]

But I'm thinking its not a huge dps loss since it's not like Assa in TWW

[torn cedar]

is there any m+ situation where u run wound over instant?

[hollow spear]

It's not

[short radish]

When mobs heal

I think it might be worth on right wind nexus

Wing

And 2nd half MT

[silk fiber]

The answer is probably sim it, but If I have Puzzlebox at 263(champ 6/6) Gaze of Alnseer 263( at 2/6 Hero) and just got vesel at 263 (2/6 hero) I should probably swap Box out for vessel... right

[hazy breach]

No

Vessel absolutely stinks

[random mason]

Try vessel for a run

Its so ass