subtlety

[sullen hare]

Sounds like a good way to be shown the exit

[red flame]

my dms are safe

[hallow nacelle]

alrighty thanks 😄

[sullen hare]

But they give me sky fury weapon

Or whatever they call it these days

[bleak night]

the actual conversation i had when i first learned about new mark

[sullen hare]

Hopefully it's not part of an elaborate April fools prank like the original ds was

[exotic holly]

i see redirect coming and i redirect myself to another class

[sullen hare]

Still waiting on them to pop out and present the actual hero talents shared between assassination and subtlety

Just watch next tier the trickster set is gonna be unusable and the DS one will be required

[swift tinsel]

nope can't make me

[remote rapids]

if you forget to cast the Guidon trinket before dance, is it a pretty big DPS loss i'm guessing?

[sullen hare]

It ruins the reason why you use it yes

[remote rapids]

so in the opener just want to strike, trinket, wait a moment then dance?

[sullen hare]

Also there's a bug right now where the haste it gives sometimes takes up to an entire second to add to dance duration because deepening shadows is bugged

[tepid trellis]

still needing all 5 tier pieces in hero track -.-

[sullen hare]

Look at this guy with more than one piece of tier

[tepid trellis]

well yeh ive got 4 set + 3 catalyst charges

[sullen hare]

I didn't get a single piece of tier both weeks from raid so all I got were some champ track gloves from vault 🫠

[stuck arrow]

What's tier?

[tepid trellis]

just play in a guild that does splits if you want tier early

[stuck arrow]

I mean fair. 😴

[grave wyvern]

hello !
how many sec max should I hold secret technique if shadow dance is in cd ?
or should i just realy cast on CD

[tepid trellis]

its more the other way around

you sit on dances for sectech cd

[grave wyvern]

ah i should hold shadow dance ?

[stuck arrow]

That's the wrong question. If SecTec up and dance is on CD you fucked up a while ago.

[tepid trellis]

you play around sectech cd

[stuck arrow]

Don't worry about SecTec without dance, worry about making sure dance is available for SecTec.

[faint hemlock]

We send weapon + belt craft?

[grave wyvern]

yeah okay i see

[tepid trellis]

likely mythic wep creft

and hc off piece craft

like belt/wrist/back

[faint hemlock]

why not send both mythic?

[swift tinsel]

I need to walk away from m+ for a bit lol

[tepid trellis]

waste of mythic crests

[swift tinsel]

I've traded away every piece I've gotten

[faint hemlock]

How come?

[tepid trellis]

you are sending infinite mythic crest into something that wont get you much value

[sly delta]

is there a reason that using dance before powder consumes the free extra finisher from apex?

[swift tinsel]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[faint hemlock]

Yes but we are sitting on 170 crests after mythic weapon, we wont be able to spend them, i can already send full upgrade + belt this week on mythic

[sly delta]

ah i see tyty

[swift tinsel]

its been a bug for a while

[plush pecan]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[tribal vortex]

isn't hc craft worse than myth? Probably send without crests. But I do believe that for most people the myth craft is the simplest way to proceed

[tepid trellis]

comes to access of myth track pieces

[tribal vortex]

We are 1-2 weeks ahead at the moment on crests so you need like 2 mythic items from raid to be capped

[tepid trellis]

and you are gonna need alot of hc crests

[tribal vortex]

Yeah thats why I think hc crest are more important atm

[tepid trellis]

there just isnt really a reason to spend myth crest until you actually need to

[tribal vortex]

Yeah I get it but if you are not hof range I expect to see people sitting on myth crests

[tepid trellis]

the 0.2% diff on a mythic crafted belt vs hc just isnt worth it imo

[tribal vortex]

yeah just send without

259 will be the same

another 0.2 below

[short aurora]

yo mr stealthi

[tepid trellis]

waddup

[short aurora]

on opener do you aa every super charged cp or no

[valid jewel]

Can someone explain why we try to have supercharged Eviscerate or Black Powder empowered by Ancient Arts? Isn't Ancient Arts just a combo point generator with no damage increase?

[short aurora]

like when you do the pre sd

[tepid trellis]

you only "force" the non sectech one

so any that isnt sectech

[short aurora]

ye but you have 4 with pre sd

[tepid trellis]

you can do it

[short aurora]

ah

kk

[tepid trellis]

if you have enough ShT

[short aurora]

ty

[sturdy hazel]

Hey guys, are we still overcapping CP to proc Apex during CDs? looking at logs it looks like people doesn't do it anymore

and IMHO it plays much better

[shell willow]

People are definitely doing it.

[sullen hare]

I don't like it because it's clunky but it is a dps gain

[tepid trellis]

most of the time it jsut happens naturally

[sturdy hazel]

but you don't have to spend your refilled CP

[hazy breach]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[native hawk]

more often than not it seems to just line up with your supercharged evis anyways

[tepid trellis]

yep

[valid jewel]

Is there a reason why following AA rule is better?

[hazy breach]

Big finisher doing bigger damage = good

[thin flume]

In a longer fight, after the second round of Shadow Blades, I find that the Shadow Dance and Secret Techniques CDs aren't lined up anymore. There is a short window (8-10 seconds) where Secret Techniques is available but Shadow Dance is still on CD. Is that normal?

[tepid trellis]

clones hit hard on certain finishers

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jaunty heath]

so what is the minium haste we think? it keep changing with every gear i got 😄

18% wont cut it?

[shell willow]

Are they changing deathstalker so we can move the mark around?

[kind plank]

yes

[idle flint]

18% equals approximately 700.

[tepid trellis]

684 stat

[jaunty heath]

cool

[bold crescent]

If my sim tells me I should use dual ren'dorei enchants on both weapons, I guess I should do that?

[valid jewel]

Does AA 1st talent also increase the damage of AA-procced Eviscerate? sorry for my bad eng

[tepid trellis]

yes

[valid jewel]

ty 😃

[acoustic lodge]

big changes

[chrome palm]

guys liquid forgot their rogue for dreamrift splits

someone should tell them

did they see our 3% buff

[tepid trellis]

he is in the 2nd one tho!

for more important news W delve quest

[native hawk]

holy

[tulip light]

anyone else cant use marks anymore?

[jagged coyote]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[jaunty horizon]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[supple barn]

If I have the Hungering Victory from Heroic, and im going to use my mythic crests on my crafted off hand. The offhand would go into my main hand, and the hungering victory would move to my off hand? Is my thought process correct, and should I use my hero crests to upgrade a dagger that will be going into an offhand slot?

[alpine wraith]

there are no 2/6 mythic daggers available

if you get an hc dagger you can fully upgrade it np

[supple barn]

oh interesting lol

So I wonder what i use mystic crests on then

[alpine wraith]

only mythic items

[supple barn]

Sorry first retail season so i have a bunch of noob questions lol

[tepid trellis]

if you ahve other hc items they are likely worth more dps than the off hand is

unless its only like back/wrists you have

[supple barn]

Well hungering is my main hand, I thought I could upgrade my crafted dagger with mythic crests

[dull sierra]

Chest, legs, helm are big ticket items

[supple barn]

if I cant upgrade my crafted dagger then thats staying in my main hand

[tepid trellis]

yeh you would craft a mythic dagger

[supple barn]

oh ok

[tepid trellis]

and just slot the hc dagger in off hand

just gotta check whats more worth to send the hc crests into since off hand isnt a very good piece

crest to dps wise

[hazy breach]

I saw a rogue in lfr with 2x 272 daggers stealthi

Would you say thats a good play?

[tepid trellis]

id say delete rogue and go again

[supple barn]

glad you responded stealthi lol

[alpine wraith]

that one is a good snap

[gilded garden]

guys in m+ do you shadow blades BP SS during aoe adds ?

[tepid trellis]

like i have the same thing

[gilded garden]

or do you not use shadow blades for BP

[supple barn]

these are only hero items i have

[warm marlin]

you take dagger from vault I assume?

[tepid trellis]

no

[open depot]

yo, this any good for assa?

[tepid trellis]

its from hc last reset

[alpine wraith]

you also got the sword from alleria no one needed for ilvl eh

[tepid trellis]

yup

[warm marlin]

ah

[alpine wraith]

my maan

[tepid trellis]

i have the neck in vault tho

[supple barn]

damn im 258 lol

[shell willow]

I'm dying for more haste.

[supple barn]

I guess I could hold my hero crests for now

[modest river]

is the void barrage ring combo any good?

[tepid trellis]

not really

does fck all dmg

[modest river]

fair

[jaunty heath]

liquid not even run rogue kek

bye

[shell willow]

Kinda sad I'd love for it to do more damage

[supple barn]

seeing those two hero items, u think i should hold my hero crests?

[alpine wraith]

everyone has a diff situation

cant really recommend something cut and dry

[tepid trellis]

over a 16min key

[swift tinsel]

alleria neck be like that too

[shrewd lantern]

ok no need to announce your departure

this aint an airport

[open depot]

You can send hero crests on any 3/6 Hero pieces

or tier

You got my blessing

[tepid trellis]

also they are doing chimaerus splits

exile is in the 2nd one

[alpine wraith]

big M gaze for sure

trust

[supple barn]

l0l ur name

[alpine wraith]

he got some cool names

[jaunty heath]

it just nobody care about atro, another boss where is propably do not do much

[open depot]

Thats how losers think

[supple barn]

im just gonna wait for a better peice ty all

[tepid trellis]

no reason to really care about dr's on a boss thats a walkover

[jaunty heath]

is it, how long they are there?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah you're going off split rosters

holy braindead

[open depot]

with rogues you can legit cut 1 healer, look at the self sustain

[plush roost]

The boss is just heroic+ difficulty xd

[tepid trellis]

they have done like 4 pulls or smth like that

and it almost died

[jaunty heath]

i see

gotta wait for other plsit than, wanna see how rogue do

[plush roost]

It was very generous of blizzard to put a turbo bis trinket and tier chest onto a splittable mythic boss

[tepid trellis]

2 mb

[shrewd lantern]

yeah because wf matters for wr1000 guild rosters

what happened to the old sap anyway

i realized this guy's a poser

[tepid trellis]

same guy

account got yoinked

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1402281360772698132/meme.gif

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

fuu's gift that keeps on giving

[shrewd lantern]

how tf does one get an acc yoinked

[distant bison]

i have heroic dagger crafted should i craft mythic dagger also or upgrade this dagger to myth and make a belt with the other spark

[tribal blade]

HUUUUGE

[open depot]

you kinda played yourself a bit

[tepid trellis]

now imagine if i actually had the correct buffs

skyfury + warrior

i wouldve been at the moon

[tribal blade]

holy shit you're right

well i'm in a guild grp right now with ele and arms 😉

[tribal blade]

how much of a loss is that, 10%?

[tepid trellis]

my guild group is mage + lock

[jaunty heath]

biggest buff to dps in keys is tank who can pull

[warm marlin]

13%

[tribal blade]

gross

[tribal blade]

gdamn

[warm marlin]

or so

shaman is 8% and warr 5 obviously

[open depot]

nah it is having other dogshit dps

[tepid trellis]

nah deff tank

[swift tinsel]

already dead lol

[tepid trellis]

you can have dogshit dps friends in

but you wont do fuck all for dmg if the tank just pulls 4-5 mobs every pull

[jaunty heath]

i was running with feral today, and first pull in AA he peaked 1.2m

[warm marlin]

you gotta convince the homies to play full raid st so you can take all the aoe but bosses go fast obviously

[tribal blade]

yeah i pulled for the tank in the last key i did

i was like nah there's 0 shot i'm doing a single pull with all cds up

[swift tinsel]

lmao you gotta put tricks to good use somehow

[alpine wraith]

we had cool 10s spam

just pulling lots of shit into bosses

[open depot]

1 hour tricks is a godsend ngl

[tepid trellis]

first boss MT

i peaked over 1 mil dps

[alpine wraith]

only key that killed us was skyreach

[swift tinsel]

I need to push my key up, we kept recycling the same guildy's key so mine is still a +2 lol

[alpine wraith]

for some reason they murder everyone at the end

[dense geode]

Any idea why Solarflare Prism Sims so poorly vs Crucible?

[tepid trellis]

less uptime

[open depot]

best i have done so far, gimme shaman

[tepid trellis]

highest ive done was just after the last screenshot i sent

at 171k

in pit

[open depot]

big, this was a seat

[tepid trellis]

only had druid buff in that too

[open depot]

havent played much sub since beta

[jaunty heath]

gotta collect some buffs

[plush roost]

Exile playing

Showtime

[hazy breach]

Always show me ✅

[tribal blade]

dude needing to re enchant gear every time i get an upgrade

reeee

what 2nd embel slot are you guys doing

[jaunty heath]

i did belt

[swift tinsel]

belt or bracers probs

[jaunty heath]

since i already had wrist

[tepid trellis]

ngl im not gonna bother

until im done with m+ spam

[tribal blade]

that's fair

[swift tinsel]

imma wait til way later

[plush roost]

This

[tepid trellis]

need 6 items still

and then im done

[plush roost]

I need 2 rings and bracer

I think its a leg craft angle ngl

[tepid trellis]

1 ring and 5 tier pieces

[plush roost]

Alleris legs go to dev dhs

[jaunty heath]

i need 2 rings head and shoulders, funny i had 4x back and 4x trinket

[plush roost]

And tier legs offpiece

[vale osprey]

I've looted 3 pieces and they were in slots I had 3/6 hero shit already so it got traded away lets goooo

[tepid trellis]

i dont have hc splits until saturday so got loads of time

[plush roost]

We did 2.5 splits outta 3 last night

Our mail is fucked

Ele shaman with zero tier and rsham with only 1 pce

[jaunty heath]

our warlock dont have tier, they are pushing normal splits again 😄

[tepid trellis]

think our general split in terms of loot is pretty solid

[plush roost]

May have yo jump into normal again

[tepid trellis]

but i dont actually know for sure

since we have an analyst that deals with it all

[inner scarab]

With the way we hold trinket usage on Guidon to get max Deepening shadows effect, is it simming correctly?

[tepid trellis]

so i dont have to spend 1 singular thought

on it

at all

goated

[plush roost]

Goated

[tepid trellis]

yes it does it in sims

[coarse forge]

Guys what is the best way to sim in raidbots for best gear and soo on what options should i use if i do mostly mythyc+?

[jaunty heath]

im going like this rn, but im losing one sec of blades

i just dont want anothe macro

[swift tinsel]

droptimizer or top gear

[alpine void]

is it worth prio upgrading the light company guidon? the amount of haste it gives base at hero is enough for me to get 2 secret techs off inside blades easily outside of lust. is that the main reason its bis? or is the haste good past that point?

[warm marlin]

did you get extended dance duration off this tho

[coarse forge]

idk both i guess 😄 I am new to simming

[swift tinsel]

those are the sims youd run

[jaunty heath]

idk, im kinda feelcrafting when im pressing before dance

[coarse forge]

Yeah but the options here was my question

[swift tinsel]

Fight Style -> Dungeon Slice

[warm marlin]

you did my goat

[short radish]

[warm marlin]

one with the inner clock

[jaunty heath]

but i think i will start doing manual press of trinket and than sending blades macro with dance and sectech

make more sense

[coarse forge]

tyty

[tulip light]

would you guys send 80 myth crests on second embell as well or keep for now? in my case its cloak slot

[fallow nimbus]

I have the trinket on it's own key and then press blades/sectec/dance macro

[jaunty heath]

i have own key for everything but its kinda cringe now with how everything tight is

than you dont get to hit amped add on crown of cosmos P1 and its all meaningless 😄

yeah i will go like this becasue than second sectech in blades isnt that tight

[near sail]

Does the offhand weapon type matter for Sub?

[grave cradle]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[warm marlin]

ye this is what i got setup

[stuck arrow]

Yes. Use dagger.

[near sail]

what does it affect?

[tribal blade]

10 nexus while not playing that great

[short radish]

aug stinky

[tribal blade]

oh true we had an aug

nvm

fake dps

[stuck arrow]

If you don't have dagger you don't get as many Shadow Technique procs. Less combo points less energy, less damage.

[hazy breach]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[warm marlin]

that command can probably say never worth equipping after we squished again

[near sail]

thanks guys

[warm marlin]

or maybe not idk

if you're putting a slow weapon on you're down tremendous anyway

[stuck arrow]

I could see a world where it's about equal damage as dagger with slow OH with enough haste.

It's still probably a loss though.

Like next tier or the tier after.

[odd sandal]

Is it safe to send a recraft right now? been hearing stories

[narrow shoal]

is outlaw better than sub now the highest keys have outlaw players

[solar spruce]

all three rogue specs are pretty bad place tbh

[stuck arrow]

I mean by all accounts the chance of fail craft is low. Likely less than 5%.

Seen like five examples on Internet, out of likely thousands of crafts.

[short radish]

we're fine

on single target somehow

[jaunty heath]

yeah we can blast sahalander 😄

[grim vessel]

Ya as long as you 100%parse, rogue is ok

[warm marlin]

i just know this was 100% attributable to the timer fimbul

surely

[solar spruce]

tell that to warcraft logs brother all yellow on the bottom 🙂

[drifting ether]

Lol lfr dreamrift no trinket tho

[stuck arrow]

Subs probably not top 5 good, but imo above average once you get 4 PC locked in.

[warm marlin]

sort by 1 day brother

[short radish]

im pretty sure i held my sblade to align with my last puzzle box

[warm marlin]

aura buffs + good tier scaling

[short radish]

and it just ended as my sblade ended

[limber folio]

i am actually dog

[warm marlin]

wtf is a puzzle box bro

i meant the guidon timer

[short radish]

🙂

[warm marlin]

this guy

[limber folio]

no loot from split today

[warm marlin]

did it not drop for you

[short radish]

im still in prison

it did not

[warm marlin]

[short radish]

and once i got 4p

puzzle box simmed higher again

[limber folio]

wait

you guys are farming puzzle box

[warm marlin]

[limber folio]

[short radish]

i am

did 6 AA ytd

[limber folio]

id rather

[short radish]

0 boxes

[limber folio]

not

[short radish]

same

[limber folio]

i just bought the Guldon on normal for like 100k, even tho the peepo asked for 50k

wanted to be nice Xddd

guidon*

[warm marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[drifting ether]

Thats crazy people always say no to 50k when i offered for tierset or trinkets

[short radish]

honestly im not sure which prison is worse

[warm marlin]

im actually losing my shit over that image with the double meaning with the stupid timer

its so perfect

[short radish]

bro the rabbit is cursed af

[tribal crypt]

this is gonna sound like the biggest noob question ever but as someone whos new to retail rogue completetly, which poisons am i supposed to be rocking. im assuming always atrophic as my nonlethal poison and then always instant as my lethal?

[short radish]

as sub

always instant

non lethal can be what you want

and depending on scenario

but typically doesnt matter

i run atro in raid

mind numbing in m+

and crip in world

[tribal crypt]

gotcha. ok thank you

[short radish]

as sin rogue, you always run deadly/amp or both

[stuck arrow]

Wound poison for pvp.

Atrophic for raid. In some cases numbing better.

[tribal crypt]

word word, helpful stuff thanks you guys

[short radish]

no wukkas

[alpine void]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber folio]

bro, he lowballed me

[short radish]

[limber folio]

i was expecting like 300k offer

[drifting ether]

Great stuff you done it like a true rogue

[crystal quiver]

do you actually want more or less haste with light company guidon trinket?

[hazy breach]

It doesnt really change

[sleek musk]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[weak vector]

Oh man, if I already opened my 4 weekly gilded caches in T11 delves, then I hit delvers journey level 4, does that mean I cant get myth crests this week?

[random mason]

not from delve yeah

but they're the same crests you'd get from M+

[weak vector]

ugh I just need 3 for my 285 weapon

and im about to hit delvers level 4 lol

RIP

[torn cedar]

in one of dalarans vids he mentions that if u have 5 stacks of ST you should do another SS even at max CP? why is that?

[fossil forge]

I just finished lvling today

[tribal crypt]

is there ever a time im using secret technique without shadow dance? or can i pretty much just take secret technique off my bars and lock in this macro?

"/cast shadow dance
/cast Secret Technique"

[shadow lance]

Never ST without dance

[tribal crypt]

so take that shit off my bars is what im hearin

[warm marlin]

you rarely can but its a bit vibe based, wouldn't worry about it unless you're really locked in with the fundamentals

[shadow lance]

SHT * Shadow techniques

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[shadow lance]

That's it

[tribal crypt]

so im 100% gonna be fine taking ST off my bars and just using the dance macro yeah?

[warm marlin]

ye

[tribal crypt]

poggers

ty

[vague spoke]

i forgot to have my poisons on during raid last night and was really upset about why i was doing so poorly

[warm marlin]

just saying you might read some logs where people do st without dance up

[tribal crypt]

kk

[astral imp]

@torn cedar This is why. I feel like the guide isn't crazy straight forward, but the bott helped out. Long story short, it seems to be playing around Ancient Arts.

[pure yacht]

I'm noticing a bug when I macro Guidon haste trinket with blades - it doesn give me as much time on dance as it does if I use the trinket then use blades separately before dance

anyone seeing this?

[torn cedar]

Yea i knew it was the aa, but not Why

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

Bottom question

[shadow lance]

To proc it bro

[pure yacht]

That's macro with dance

I'm talking about macroing it with blades 1s before the dance

it's weird

[hazy breach]

Then youre not doing it 1s before dance

[pure yacht]

So I press blades/trinket 2s before dance my dance is 8s

[hazy breach]

Its slightly less than 1s then

[pure yacht]

if I dont macro them dance is 12s

[charred rock]

I did it finally

[hazy breach]

But 8 vs 12 is TFD

[pure yacht]

no like I wait awhile

[hazy breach]

Not trinket difference

[pure yacht]

jsut waht I have on dummy

[candid field]

Do you guys ever have shadowstrikes that are like invisible? Does animation but I don't get any combo points generated

[shadow lance]

BE sure you don't have tfd talented

And try again

[warm marlin]

if you press it within the spellqueue window at the end of dance it will play the animation but because dance ended it wont actually do anything

[north garnet]

12hr workshift in M plussy over

yet to craft 2nd and spend any hero crests xD

[charred rock]

go take a shower man

[shadow lance]

You can just raid logging now

[hazy breach]

Smh my head not even the ring 2 set

[harsh ridge]

The 1% hast of goblin is working with our spells right 🤔 ?

591 for 18%

[hazy breach]

No, thats why the guides specifically say the number is rating

[harsh ridge]

Holy crap

[hazy breach]

Deepening shadows only works with haste rating

[shadow lance]

That's why PI and Lust doesn't put more time on dance

If I understand the game enough

[harsh ridge]

thanks everyone

[hazy breach]

Why? Who the fuck knows

But thats what blizzard decided

[short radish]

tbh im just glad we dont have to fight over PI

or fight over haste timings

[pure yacht]

^ makes it easier- I thought I had to wait for lust to open lol

[candid field]

Is it better to hold ST for a a few seconds if you see more things coming or is better to just send on one target?

[shadow lance]

Depends if you needs adds damages or not

But yes, better wait overall

For nice parse 🤡

[graceful rock]

freedom

[lilac stag]

At this point just delete the percent from every known MN sub rogue document.

[north garnet]

What did you guys go with for the 2nd craft?

[frosty vector]

Should you always upgrade dagger with myth crest when you can?

[warm marlin]

bracer and socket from vault

[lilac stag]

MH yes

Off nah

[frosty vector]

alright, thanks!

[vocal narwhal]

Is this changes coming?

Said something about datamine

[ivory swallow]

?

Shouldn't this trinket parse better?

[hollow compass]

guys

its happening

[ivory swallow]

Do you guys know why the trinket is bad in the raidbots?

[vocal narwhal]

Just got them both in max as well 285/276 😄

[fossil forge]

!aoe

[wicked jolt]

The AoE rotation on subtlety starts with 2 targets. This means:

• Shadowstrike with exactly 2 targets.
• Shuriken Storm with 2 or more targets.
• Black Powder with 2 or more targets.
• Hero talents: Keep using Evis for Coup de Grace / "Darkest Night`.

[ivory swallow]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[night rampart]

do we hold 2nd dance to supercharge our 2nd sectec in blades with 4set or nah?

[soft gorge]

Most people playing Sub in raid or what?

[jovial garnet]

Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button?
is that just so it prio's Coup when it procs or

[lilac stag]

The spell is still a rogue / subt spell so it gets tagged in aura nerfs / buffs. Look at outlaw and see if rupture is there.

data mining is pants

[tall girder]

Guys rate my opener I think I’m cooking

[pine viper]

Why fan of knives into shadowstrike

Isnt insta secret tech after shadow dance with macro better?

[tall girder]

I hit my deathstalker macro instead of trickster

[astral imp]

I'm in the same boat. I couldn't tell you the why. I've got guesses but nothing worth suggesting.

[odd sandal]

We can macro Guidon with SB, correct? As long as SD isn't on it?

[west tide]

how u got all that haste

[swift tinsel]

are they still running mythic splits

[west tide]

chat if i go from 700 haste to like 550

but get crit mastery and higher ilevel

but then i put a haste flask on isnt that the same thing

😂

[raw wadi]

not sure if its a thing but blades -> inside of dance

[native zodiac]

no rogue on salhadar

[warm marlin]

yes

[west tide]

like i did all that shufflin for no reason

lmaoo

[warm marlin]

havent been paying attention is it a split

[swift tinsel]

I think I heard exile say something about timings not lining up for him

[wanton sparrow]

use algethar on pre pull ?

[dense geode]

Did the Voidsong neck get nerfed or changed for sub

[swift tinsel]

its just not a lot of damage

[native zodiac]

nope

their real comp

out of the bosses i didnt expect to not see a rogue on salhadar

dragons & paladins i was almost 100% sure there would be no rogue

[swift tinsel]

from surely sub boss to no rogue boss

oof

[chrome palm]

man

this class is so dogshit lmao

[warm marlin]

I will say that exile doesn't really need any gear from it and it was an easy boss

[swift tinsel]

dargons time

[warm marlin]

but ye not a great look

dragons 💀

[chrome palm]

rogue will be brought for the 2 target spread cleave fight guys

or maybe the 3 target spread cleave fight

[vocal rock]

I rate it 69/69

[chrome palm]

or the other 2 target spread cleave fight after that

[native zodiac]

dw guys the 3% aura buff on friday will save us!!!!

[pulsar hemlock]

Does the 1% haste from NE racial count towards the breakpoint?

[chrome palm]

if the effect has a % it doenst affect deepening shadows

[short radish]

did he get brought to vori?

[warm marlin]

i didnt watch but surely

[native zodiac]

thats the only boss he was in on yes

[warm marlin]

its agi dagger fight

[short radish]

thank fuck survival is shit

[brisk onyx]

No

[drowsy oak]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[dense geode]

it use to sim so much higher wondering why it be a downgrade now ik it change obv but its significantly lower

[native zodiac]

and honestly he did good dmg thats why im so surprised about nexus king

[north garnet]

flask :p

[native zodiac]

this was vori

[north garnet]

tho you cna get enough without

[swift tinsel]

he was in, idk if it was a split or not

[tall girder]

Yea getting 700 haste without flask is a bit rough tho

[short radish]

wait

you guys think this might be a 0 rogue tier?

[native zodiac]

theres no way youre gonna see a rogue on dragons and paladins

[short radish]

yeah

[native zodiac]

maybe on cosmos again

[short radish]

no rogeu this boss

no rogue paladin

[native zodiac]

dunno about march

[swift tinsel]

first pull and one dragon down to 30% lmao

[native zodiac]

big emergency buffs coming

[warm marlin]

time to cherry pick statements(my favorite passtime) #subtlety message

i told you atro sucked guy!

take that

[swift tinsel]

Ryldd with the rolodex of receipts lmao

[warm marlin]

it's a discussion we've had multiple times in the past before, was not hard to find

i am an atro hater!

[frail kindle]

is it a hot take to think all 3 rogue specs are basically the same right now

like i feel like sin outlaw and sub all do the same exact trash damage

[jagged hamlet]

ice cold take lol

[warm marlin]

sub is actually up a lot on wcl today with more people having tier and such presumably

[frail kindle]

ok cool like im going into mythic and i literally feel like i could play any spec and there would be no difference

[warm marlin]

i dont think its that bad but obv the fight styles are a bit terrible

[jagged hamlet]

sub feels way better on boss damage than the other 2 in m+ while still doing as good or better aoe

[frail kindle]

like is there really a difference between outlaw sub and sin on like any of these bosses outside of maybe alleria

[jagged hamlet]

and then in raid sub just benefits from 90s and better tier

but i think eventually ass will pass on boss damage

sub will have better add pad

[warm marlin]

idk this raid tier you just play as many ranged as possible

[frail kindle]

yeah

[warm marlin]

you still need warrior buff because hunter is op

[frail kindle]

like i feel like rogue is useless anyway it doesnt matter what spec you play its just what type of flavor of uselessness you want

[jagged hamlet]

outlaw isnt horrendous this raid tier

but doesnt have any of the benefits of cds lol

i think it just depends on if they want to do aura buffs or actually attempt to focus on numbers of abilities

but until then play what you want, no spec is griefing and the best spec will still be below most of the other specs

just my 2c

[warm marlin]

im still a believer that sub is just the best spec on every fight but alleria

even if its still bad

and alleria will depend on p3 timings

[short radish]

not execute?

[frail kindle]

i just cba to bother swapping between 3 different specs and different gear sets and different haste values for different fights if the differences between specs are so little

[native zodiac]

paladins could be assa otherwise i agree

[warm marlin]

i talked about it with... dont remember who anymore but the phase is about 3-3.5 mins

if sub gets 3 cd usages its sub

if its only a 3min phase on mythic you play assa and gigabomba pot the second usage in execute

[chrome palm]

sin is also awful on p1, p2

and is just undertuned a bit in st

in general

[warm marlin]

ye if p1 p2 are relevant itll be sub

[chrome palm]

like useless class p1/2

[warm marlin]

is it that bad after bugfixes

[ember yarrow]

secret technique - under what condition is its cd shortened?

[short radish]

tbh there is a small part of me that wants to see 0 rogues this race

just so blizzard maybe does something about us

[steel wyvern]

the cd is hasted

[steel wyvern]

wdym by this

[ivory swallow]

Does anyone knows why this forgotten trinket logs better than the guidon?

[steel wyvern]

double on use doesnt work

[short radish]

0 meaningful raidbuff

99% of the time even if you omega stack a raid with OP classes

[steel wyvern]

meh dk's raidbuff is grip lmao

[short radish]

all the classes are brought for their raid buff

except rogue

[ivory swallow]

@steel wyvern what you mean?

[steel wyvern]

algethar + guidon are both on use

[ivory swallow]

Hummm but I am not using both simult

It doesnt work anyway?

[steel wyvern]

yeah but you are syncing them with cds

when you use an on use trinket

the other one goes on a 20 second cooldown

[ivory swallow]

Oh, got it

[steel wyvern]

so you cant stack them on shadowblades

and then, puzzle box is just better for m_

m+

because it does more aoe damage

BUT, guidon does more single target so

[ivory swallow]

So I should go with guiidon and the forgotten on

For raids

[steel wyvern]

thats what id do for all content myself

because even in m+ the boss dmg is relevant

and the haste isnt useless in aoe, you are still getting double sectech in sblades because of it, and getting more dmg from autos = nimble flurry

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[north schooner]

i need to check the follow-up on this tomorrow

[lime elm]

noob question sorry, but should we already be crafting our dagger(s)?

[arctic heart]

we have a good number for crit +-?

[dense geode]

can you still stack superchargers

or not stack pre use

[sharp ravine]

Yes as it's bis

[sharp ravine]

No, sim yourself and adjust with that

[sharp ravine]

Yes, 2 supercharge max prepull

[proper eagle]

Why no sub in mythic liquid

so sad

[frail kindle]

im sandbagging rn

playing trickster on vorasius

[short radish]

based trickster gang gang

[left ledge]

[steel wyvern]

but are you using gloomblade

[left ledge]

no but i was playing deathstalker

so

close enough

[warm marlin]

my arcui decided to unload all my bars

[frail kindle]

okay this is lowkey what i mean from earlier lmao like

i dont think theres any difference between rogue specs

this is mythic vorsasius

all 3 specs are just like exactly the same

[pliant otter]

we crafting farstrider's mercy right?

[soft garnet]

Hey everyone, I have a question. I have a hero 263 Algeth'ar Puzzle Box and a 263 Ranger-Captain's Iridescent Insignia trinket but somehow that stupid crucible trinket sims higher than having both equipped?

Is this because of the 20s on use wait time between them on pull? https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/subtlety/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[toxic carbon]

double on-use doesnt work

[modern spade]

Hello, does the "so tricky" talent actually work? If it does how?

[short radish]

yo?

MARKED FOR DEATH IS BACK

[chrome palm]

fix deathstalker button

[soft garnet]

frick.

;(

so it's not worth it, not even in m+?

what would be best to mix with the puzzle box in that case? like something to aim for from m+ drops

[night sparrow]

Just make deathmark a buff, call the heroic tree Trickstalker and call it a day

[toxic carbon]

i mean it doesnt sim properly. you can use two on use if you want

[soft garnet]

oh, so it will actually still pull ahead of using the crucible still??

using both of those on use instead of the crucible trinket

[dim fog]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

no dagger from vorasius

[random mason]

Theyre dropping for all the groups without a rogue

[shrewd lantern]

never was worth

[raw wadi]

Nothing a buff can't fix.

[azure thicket]

sorry the ddos etc

[main jackal]

LOL yeah so it was really bizarre but for whatever reason the profile I was using for CDM didn't show Evisc and when I created a new profile it showed up.

[azure thicket]

which still affecting my routing

😒

[warm marlin]

liquid did not pull paladins with a rogue either

https://tenor.com/view/its-genuinely-over-its-over-its-so-over-seal-sad-seal-gif-27054806

[short radish]

was there one on chimerus?

[steel wyvern]

well

[warm marlin]

ya but they split it like 6 times

[steel wyvern]

this class genuinely dogwater

on paladins

[short radish]

it is

but its still not a good look

[vernal drum]

I don't understand why wind heart sims +1.7% at lvl 276, for the same sim the light compagny guidon is simed +0.2

and i have these trinket 259 for now :

[charred rock]

i wanted MfD back. but i was not expecting it to be like this

[steel wyvern]

whats your haste % at rn

18% is the target

so if you have under 18% then haste is probably very high value

[raw wadi]

I mean they let other melees play because they have a mission (grip bots, buffs )
This raid is full range tuned... W/E season

[short radish]

dKs don't HavE A RAId buff

yet somehow they get brought to almost every fight anyway

even when their not a raid buff isnt needed

[raw wadi]

Rogues also don't have one since it's an debuff on your target.

[short radish]

[uncut juniper]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[raw wadi]

Blizzard managed to let them lower boss hp for the MM hunters (so they can pad)

[short radish]

wooooo blizzard

[lime elm]

ae we allowed to spend hero crests

[raw wadi]

Didn't they remove aoe blind to make rogues even more useless on nexus king / dragons?
12.0.5 they bring it back...

[short radish]

this is why i've beeo malding so much at blizzard

[short radish]

send on 3/6

[short radish]

because blizzard can mid week buff unholy 2 days after it loses to aug

but we spend 3 fucking months

[raw wadi]

And trinkets -> big slots -> small slots

[short radish]

without an aoe interrupt

[tribal blade]

am i high or is just as convoluted

[short radish]

its same same you just get a button called mark for death

[tribal blade]

cd and energy

tf

[short radish]

as opposed to marked for death

yeah

[tribal blade]

WHY

[short radish]

it's a call back to redirect

[tribal blade]

/die

this doesn't make wanna play DS any more haha

[short radish]

can't make it too easy for a rogue to target swap mate

[raw wadi]

Sometimes aoe.blind was a thing in m+

[grand summit]

is the Deathstalker change meaningful

[frail kindle]

it looks like were getting sat for chimaerus boys

[raw wadi]

For what?

[warm marlin]

liquid has 2 melee dps in on paladins and 3 mws

we are playing more mws than melee dps

[short radish]

[night sparrow]

Hey guys \o/ about the opener with haste trinket. How do you make sure you hit Dance+Finisher 2sec before second SecTec comes off CD ? Because sometimes you'll be at 0cp 2sec before second secT is up

[grand summit]

Posted today

well, datamined

[night sparrow]

Dance+filler > Filler > Sectec and call it a day ?

[lucid jackal]

Ranged DPS migth be op!

[tribal blade]

this one official

[raw wadi]

Yeah but for what you want to swap targets? Maybe last two bosses will have kind of this intermission stuff where you want to swap.

[grand summit]

Just wonder if that makes it slightly more competitive on a few bosses

[frail kindle]

yo liquid has 5 hunters opening for 1million on paladins btw

HAHAHAHHAHHA

[raw wadi]

They will buff BM tomorrow so they are able to compete with MM. Mark my words.

[vagrant sinew]

nerf bp again

[night sparrow]

MM strong this progress ? Okay let's nerf Genji

[frail kindle]

what spec do you even play on chimaerus

does it really even matter

[night sparrow]

Sub has a better burst on demand si I guess it's better. Idk how long adds last in mm tho

[frail kindle]

i feel like rogue is fake

[lucid jackal]

Rogue will be okay on alleria

completely worthless on everything else

[frail kindle]

yeah

assa will crank

[lucid jackal]

Sub gets better Cds I think

Unless mythic is just diff

[tribal blade]

depends yeah

isn't there a secret mythic phase

[frail kindle]

allegedly

[hexed dagger]

hey guys I see theres no rogue in the RWF and wanted to ask if you recommend I light my CPU over my kitchen stove or put my entire pc under an industrial press? ty

[tribal blade]

or waas that the other boss

[raw wadi]

Sell ram before

[gilded ferry]

expected but still, stings to not see a rogue in the comp

[night sparrow]

So ... With haste trinket, during blades how do you make sure you hit second Dance+Finisher 2sec before second SecTec comes off CD ? Because sometimes you have 0 cp the moment you'd press second dance. So what'd we do ? If you're full cp 3sec before second sectec, do you hit another filler to send the recommanded "Dance+Finisher>Filler>SecTec" sequence ?

[azure thicket]

quick question about guidon, sometimes my dance is 12 seconds sometimes it's 8 am i doing something wrong? got 2 set

[night sparrow]

The first dance talent prob

[gilded thistle]

plus the stupid delay on dance duration increase after popping trink

[azure thicket]

yeah that makes sense thought haste was increasing dance duration

whoops

[night sparrow]

+3sec on next Dance when out of combat for 6 sec. Having +4sec danse only with haste is having like 3000 haste or something lol

[azure thicket]

it just globals like outlaw bte cast

<:y

[swift tinsel]

I wonder if mm hunter is good on paladins

[raw wadi]

[left ledge]

why is there a hof

for this boss

LMAO

1 boss hof

[atomic lance]

im wanting to spec swap to sub from outlaw but already crafted a 1h sword, am i gonna have to level a whole new char

[raw wadi]

You can still craft a dagger or did you send all sparks?

[atomic lance]

all sparks but 1 used :/

[raw wadi]

Mh you need dual dagger for sub/assa

But on Wednesday you get another spark

[bleak mason]

Is Sub still semi viable in M+

[left ledge]

its quite strong in m+

idk what semi viable means

dont think ive seen a single person outdps me yet

we just lack any cc or utility

so maybe later into the season we'll fall off

[bleak mason]

Yeah I guess at that point it won’t matter that much anyways unless your pushing the highest level keys

[left ledge]

yeah, its really gonna depend on what pulls will look like later

for now sub is very strong

[short radish]

yeah we're kinda strong

[short radish]

i have a small amount of copium im huffing

that CC isn't as needed

or at least mass aoe cc isn't needed

[left ledge]

guys

i played DS on chimaerus

yw

i hope nobody beats me in boss damage so your guild leaders force you to play this abominable spec

[night sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-get-the-mods-mods-help-guards-moderator-gif-14291893981270040110

[left ledge]

it was fucking atrocious

i couldnt get DN proc twice when a mob phased

so i just lost my mark for a solid 15 seconds twice

[night sparrow]

gaming

[left ledge]

ngl though, when they introduce mark for death

DS will be quite good on that boss

[night sparrow]

Is the mathematically very optimal amount of haste the one that gives you 18.7s CD on SecTec to be able to perfectly fit 2 of these in blades ?

Or this amount is a mix of a few other reasons ?

[torpid harbor]

p sure coup needs to be considered as well

[night sparrow]

Yeah another reason is 700-750 haste gives you 7.3sec dance so everyGCD + one coup during dance

But was wondering if there's other hidden reasons that this cap is what it is

[torpid harbor]

oh mastery bangs

just want 2 st in blades

[distant bison]

how much haste do we need for 2x stech during blades

[night sparrow]

Yeah mastery's worth. I guess the double sectec during SB + fitting every GCD during dry dance are the only 2 reasons

aim for 700-750 Wnzo

[distant bison]

i do m+ mostly

still need that much?

or is it for raid

[night sparrow]

mmmh probably yes

I'm assuming that sending 2 SecT during blades on a pack or a boss is not different

and it enables a 7.3+ seconds dance = your dance fades right after you sent a gcd

It seems like the right balance and middle point

[verbal glen]

i dont want to keep spaming shred

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[night sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/addict-addicted-drugs-help-me-drugs-are-bad-gif-13989033

[bleak night]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ultrasad

[night sparrow]

I bet every top sub players are in prog (yes, I'm baiting for an answer so what)

[solid basalt]

how do i increase the clearly of this shadow

[olive igloo]

you want it less opaque?

or more?

[solid basalt]

more darker

[olive igloo]

i use an addon called SUI that is just default ui but black and it makes that pretty dark

[night sparrow]

type "Opacity" in the settings search bar and you'll see something like "Spells opacity" or something

@solid basalt

Spell alerts opacity

[solid basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

ty

[plush roost]

zimbita crashout goes crazy

[half comet]

!race

wheres the simc input for races

[tribal blade]

@short radish finally killed crown

the wipe before this i had a 99 despair

[tribal blade]

LOL classic

[tribal blade]

is he still playing with the angy brew

uh

he had an edgy name

kwhatever

[short radish]

[short radish]

same bro

then some melee monkey (not me) fired the lines into raid

[plush roost]

No idea

[short radish]

and we wiped

[tribal blade]

are you pushing yet?

or gear farm

[plush roost]

Its over

Fuck deathstalker

[warm marlin]

0.9

get absolutely turbo astro gapped

[plush roost]

XD

Okay but like

I saved the day with a cd

Trickster fight i cba man

[warm marlin]

lock slacking (ours might be destro)

[plush roost]

Never doing ds again 🙁

Omg bro also

We had the big cross across first boss arena

And i had just sblades and got dispel

And i was not in the first dispel set

https://tenor.com/view/funny-skeleton-man2-cryos-funny-skeleton-man-gif-27695831

Actual pov of me running back and forth and back

Surely chimerus is swell tmrw.

[tribal blade]

nauuurwwww

[tribal blade]

based

[grand summit]

So like

how bad is it if I just macro Guidon anyways

[tribal blade]

depends what you macro it with

[chrome palm]

you use guidon to extend shadow dance

[plush roost]

To dance? May as well not play the trinket

[chrome palm]

if you macro it to dance it doesnt extend dance

[grand summit]

So do I just need it hit it seperately or can I bind it to something else

[night sparrow]

Graham r u playing on US servs ? Was convinced you're french

[chrome palm]

there is no good solution the best is to wait 1s after pressing guidon separately to use blades/dance/secret on one macro

[soft garnet]

hey guys do we use 2x Enchant Weapon - Acuity of the Ren'dorei Icon Enchant Weapon - Acuity of the Ren'dorei

or arcane mastery on offhand??

wowhead and icyveins say different things

[tribal blade]

haha nah i'm half white/chinese playing on NA living in hong kong

[night sparrow]

what da heck

that's far from what I thought hahahaa

[woeful wren]

next patch bro

[night sparrow]

fk me, Quichons (pretty good french guild) rogue name is "Gram"

my dead brain went like "sure same guy"

[north jewel]

evasion doesn't work on nulleus?

[night sparrow]

isn't it like 0.2sec before deepening shadows applies the guidon buff ?

[chrome palm]

its a 1 second snapshot

so the delay can be anywhere from almost instant to 1s

[night sparrow]

HA

bro why is there another half inconsistency half bug we have to deal with

like sub isn't wonky enough

fml

[white tapir]

if you are going down first on chimareus, is it worth holding shadow blades until adds

[astral axle]

i hate to say it but

sin rogue is cringe

(please dont smite me whispyr)

[left ledge]

dw bro i dont think whispyr is gonna look in here

[left ledge]

NO

[frail kindle]

ok boys onto dragons

whats the spec

[bleak night]

@teal coral

[wicked urchin]

We can be in the 0 club together

[dry plank]

So we could macro it to first shadowstrike when we go into cds? 🙂

[wicked urchin]

Just bind it seperately

[dry plank]

If macro it just a must have 🙂

[chrome palm]

do you plan on using strike before dance

[night sparrow]

Before blades+dance you sometimes will just sit full cp and autoattack until you spend everything so ..

yes. just bind the trinket.

By talking with Whispyr I just realised that the apex + prem bug is good ... because otherwise we would get grieffed procing apex with SecTec which is also buggy

We have a bug preventing a bug from happening

Sub rogue be like

[warm marlin]

it's annoying because it can grief second dance of blades a bit

you could always just cancelaura aa if you didnt want to use it the bug forces it

[night sparrow]

True, got 4p + hm haste trinket today, I saw that

Didn't think about the cancel aura ... like bro

I love this spec as much as I hate it

[quaint remnant]

Team, is it worth it to upgrade it the Farstrider's to 285?

I have hungering Victory HC

also

Do we have better options'?

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[night sparrow]

You mean upgrading main hand from 276 to 285 ?

[spice crag]

yes

[spice crag]

farstrider is his OH, 256.

[night sparrow]

I see, kinda same thing tho : Main hand iLvL is the most valuable upgrade you can do by far. Correct me if I'm wrong

[spice crag]

i mean what else are you using your sparks on lol

[spice crag]

and generally yes, but it really depends on your overall gear, and your MH's current ilvl vs what you can take it to, but unless you're getting a myth track weap from vault or raid or somehow already pushing insane keys and get one, i mean.. just send the spark for myth craft it's yuge

[narrow shadow]

I would say yes, unless u have access to mythic weapon

[night sparrow]

No idea, I simply said "Correct me if I'm wrong" to be careful.

[narrow shadow]

In that case better use the crests to max that

[astral axle]

[night sparrow]

If you're aiming Top 50 HoF be careful, otherwise just craft mythic weapon if you aint got it on Voracius mm and call it a day

[quaint remnant]

nah

[night sparrow]

it's not even worth waiting for it to drop tbf, especially this season since crafted is off hand BiS

[narrow shadow]

It's about optimitizinv the crest. If you have mythic main hand, use crests in that, offhand Ivl doesn't matter as much, it's mostly for the embellishment

BiS doesn't mean anything until you have all of the BiS gear together

[night sparrow]

If you already got a mythic weapon ofc crafting it is irrelevant

[narrow shadow]

In that case I would craft it

9ilvl main hand is huge

[plush crescent]

I got a 246 wrist and 263 belt, should I still just 2nd craft belt? or just send wrists

[night sparrow]

but I'm assuming you're going to help your roster to kill Voracius instead of sitting on crests with hero dagger lul

[slate nest]

Okay I am so happy rn, after getting gaze and upgrading some other stuff, I can confidently burst for around 250k on packs in dungeon and I can hold like a 100-120k on adds if they take more than 2 minutes

at 253 ilvl

[night sparrow]

gaming

Did our simcrafters guys give the dmg difference between cancelaura apex for second SecTec with Guidon Vs. no cancel aura ?

[bleak haven]

is the delayed dance with on-use just a guidon trinket thing or general with on-uses?

[warm marlin]

meh it is just fine to apex sectec

its about the same as evis anyway

[night sparrow]

it's so ridiculous to think that a non supercharged evis gains more benefits from apexing than an supercharged SecTec .. that's the way it is, but that sounds to fucking goofy lol

ha alright

[night sparrow]

Pretty sure it's linked to how Deepening shadows is coded. It probably scans your haste every second

while playing with e.g. Algathar trinket boosts your dmg instantly because it's pure mastery and doesn't interact with talents

that said ... maybe there's the same kind of delay with Potent Powder LOL

[bleak haven]

yeye so emberwing feather is the same deal? dont have guidon so idk if its that trinket having a weird delay etc

[night sparrow]

now that I think about that

[vale osprey]

Yes

[night sparrow]

I'm pretty sure it's not a guidon problem but the way Deepening Shadows work with haste. I don't have the data but that would be goofy as fuck if only guidon's bugged

[vale osprey]

The delay isn't on the trinket, it's on the spaghetti coded deepening shadows

[night sparrow]

So anyone has tested if Algethar trinket makes Potent Powder bug the same way Guidon does with Deepning shadows ?

It's not relevant, i'm simply curious now lol

[lusty acorn]

GUYS

I CRAFT BEFORE DAGGER

272

NOW I HAVE MYTH

[slate nest]

I mean, the problem is, potent powder working badly (if it does) is legit 0.0001% while deepening shadows lets you dance for more (i think it's 1 global?)

[lusty acorn]

CRAFT OTHER DAGGER ?

OR JUST RECRAFT IT

[slate nest]

recraft

[lusty acorn]

ANOTHER DAGGER CHAMP

🤣

[spice crag]

how mandatory is 700 haste as trickster vs 600 as trickster lol

[night sparrow]

its like 1.3 sec yeah

[slate nest]

do not waste ur spark on a aecond dagger