subtlety

[sick arrow]

ty

[swift tinsel]

time to pray for poverty tier from lfr

[outer orchid]

everytime i see a new ksm mount it makes me more and more annoyed i didn't play much of SL

[hybrid prism]

yall would not believe how freaking baller i am right now. my luck is insane

lmao

[west tide]

omfg!!

[hybrid prism]

i got the heroic gaze in my vault. got the normal guidon last week. Got only a veteran 250 neck warbound from alleria, but its the same ilvl as my champ one. so still great. I got 2k rating so 4pc as well

almost at the 18% haste rating

and a shit ton of mastery

[azure thicket]

i have to get the big haste ring from nexus point* before i can use my hero chest

ree

that is a lot of mastery lol

[hybrid prism]

since i got 4 pc i got an extra catalyst charge drop too. So i could have 5 piece if i wanted

the luck i have experienced in the first 2 weeks is quite ridiculous

[prime plover]

All that to get outdamaged by an 240 lock

[magic coral]

so real

what embelishment do we want on our second craft? we want wait more than likely correct?

[fiery fog]

arcanoweave iirc

[viral phoenix]

Question, on the 2nd dance for trickster do you enter with full combo points? Do you have a BP/Evisc macro? Do you enter with full combo points and shadowstrike when sec tech is at 2 seconds remaining for the apex proc on the following non sec tech but super charged finisher?

*when following this optimization

[warm marlin]

no (well sometimes, whatever cp you happen to have), yes/yes/also one for storm if you don't happen to have full cp when you meet the condition to dance, you either dance at low cp, storm, (usually) apex evis, sectec OR dance/evis, strike, apex sectec

[hybrid prism]

muahahahaha

[viral phoenix]

ty, so just to be totally clear for the 2nd dance in trickster you don't really care about entering at full combo points or not? Just whatever the gamestate is at the time when sec tech gets to 2 sec remaining?

but most fluidly we're trying to build into apex > finisher > sec tech for that one right

[warm marlin]

ya you just press dance around sectec cd

apex->sectec is certainly a good way for it to happen

itll just be whatever happens to happen, trying to play around forcing anything is kinda bad

[viral phoenix]

And BP/Evisc + shadow dance macros are technically okay? I used them for the 2nd dance in blades but thought it'd be unoptimal cause it bricks an apex proc on a supercharged combopoint from my experience

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin I want to run zero on use trinkets at this point.

nearly kb smashing time

[warm marlin]

it's optimal for 2nd dance you dont wanna lose gcds

you could in theory strike at max cp to proc the apex and get rid of premed but you aren't gonna do that with stance delay

and storm hasnt been worth it to use to proc apex

maybe i should look at dance/storm to proc it in such a case

[viral phoenix]

understood, thanks for your insight

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

Lmao it worked

4pc inc

[lilac stag]

gz

[hybrid prism]

is 17.16% haste enough, or should i do ring enchants to get 18 <

[lilac stag]

It’s a number not a percent

Read the faq

[oak sorrel]

thats really interesting

im not even at 700 haste yet but robot wants me to sac everything for crit

[lilac stag]

It’s not. That how breakpoints work

[fiery fog]

i hate servers being down 1:30h after reset

grrrr

[fiery fog]

the robot doesnt want 700 haste btw

[oak sorrel]

i thought the breakpoint was to get above 700 for a gcd and then go into crit/mastery

[hybrid prism]

faq read

[fiery fog]

because he is a robot he plays perfectly

therefore he doesnt need that margin

[hybrid prism]

i have 605 haste, so need a little more

[swift tinsel]

time to spam delves and farm cata charges

[hybrid prism]

i also have 825 mastery

so thats sweet

[oak sorrel]

oh i see

can you set the robot to account for latency or no

[hybrid prism]

why?

you could just get more haste to account for it lol

[warm marlin]

it's not so bad depending on how many gem slots you have

if robot puts you to 650 can just swap all the gems from mast/crit or whatever to haste/mast and pick up the difference

[valid yoke]

eu servers finally up fuck me

[hybrid prism]

literally the only thing i didnt get that i wanted FOR THE WEEK was a hero offhand weapon. I can do keys for that tho

I used all my luck for the tier today

[swift tinsel]

same lol

went from 0 pc to 4pc after 2 lfr wings

[crimson thorn]

What to choose? Considering i have 0 pieces of tier set

[warm marlin]

can't wait for my work to be done to run 70 keys this weekend

[hybrid prism]

i got a hero gaze in my vault

[glad bough]

trinket =/

[swift tinsel]

oh man I'm gonna degen keys so hard this weekend lol

[hybrid prism]

i have 2 champ tier, 2 hero tier for 4 piece, plus a catalyst charge available to use

[crimson thorn]

Guidon?

[hybrid prism]

got a warbound veteran neck off alleria

[swift tinsel]

and delves to get all my cata charges so I can convert the champ track/hero tracks

[hybrid prism]

but its the same ilvl as my champ neck so its huge

[warm marlin]

might even have to gear the split alt for chim

hopefully its not too hard so i dont have to put too much effort into him

[swift tinsel]

we had 2x aln trinkets drop and the raid flipped lol

hc

[hybrid prism]

get the cloak

guys when i say i made out like a bandit

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/sinkromulus

look how stupid this is

[hardy agate]

I got the Choice between Set chest or set shoulders, both slots i use a 250 veteran piece so far. What should i take?^^

[hybrid prism]

I would clear the raid and see if you get one first

then choose the other

[hardy agate]

Smart

[hybrid prism]

unless it gets you 4 pc, then send it

[hardy agate]

No it gets me 1 piece lol

[open minnow]

what do i take, have zero tier

[cyan saddle]

only normal but not bad for first season as sub

[hybrid prism]

nice!

[dry flame]

Did you manage to get tier?

[karmic harbor]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[slate nest]

chest for more Main stat

[dry plank]

Omg I’m doing 70 per season 🙂

[warm marlin]

i did like 35 dawnbreakers week1 last season for that stupid vers heavy ring

the sacrifices we make

[dire ravine]

with potent powder, can I black powder in 2 target?

[jaunty heath]

i think someone puked in my vault

best i can take is boots for cata

[ornate lake]

which way chat? hc tier or champ dreamrift trinket?

[swift tinsel]

raidbots dead?

[jovial ginkgo]

i was potent powder from norm vanguard to hc vanguard

[ornate lake]

yayy

[swift tinsel]

classic eu

[onyx flame]

Week 1 could have been worse

[jade urchin]

stop vault im easy

[near herald]

do we pick set piece which is champion or hero piece?

[jade urchin]

depends on many factors cant really answer that

like are u doing reclears, are u going mythic this week, is it 4set for u this week

[near herald]

am gonna do hc again and am gonna do m+ ye

but not doing mything this week no haha

[zealous kindle]

if i have a veteran tier piece. is there a way to upgrade it to champion?

[jade urchin]

if ure doin hc today or tomorrow u could wait before picking

[jade urchin]

wait for 4set for the catalyst achievement, you will get enough charges to just convert hc pieces from m+

[zealous kindle]

4set for catalyst achievement?
i receive it when i complete a 4set ye? - what does it enable?

[jade urchin]

it makes m+ etc drop catalyst charges

[near herald]

do we upgrade hero weapons fully?

[jade urchin]

upgrade crafted weapon with myth crests, offhand ilvl doesnt matter

[rare quest]

is wowanalyzer for sub accurate/a good starting point for improving as sub?

[jade urchin]

its not updated for current rotation im pretty sure

[near herald]

i picked weapon from vault rip me then ig xD

fuck my ass

[rare quest]

thanks. Is there a good alternative for it currently?

[hybrid prism]

what talent point are yall dropping to take potent powder?

[jade urchin]

sadly no i think

besides logs ofc

[jade urchin]

weaponmaster usually

[rare quest]

just moved from heals -> dps my ability to analyze logs is shit 😆

time to learn I guess thanks

[strange geode]

Hi Guys, I do have Light Company Guidon and Puzzle Box as trinkets and hands as tier set, that's it. I guess I should pick hero shoulders? Or wait raid tomorrow?

[crimson dagger]

is the trinket Sapling of the Dawnroot Simming correctly?

[calm fable]

prob wait till raid

[swift tinsel]

Probably not

It’s also not a seasonal trinket so its not likely to be looked into

[west bluff]

If i have emberwing + puzzlebox, the idea is to macro both? emberwing->puzzle?

i mean i cant use both usables at the same time right, one goes on cooldown

macro emberwing on SD/ST and use whenever i guess?

[fallow rampart]

Guys I check murlok io and can I ask why everyone top 15, playing 700 vers, they have like 100-200 crit and 300-400 haste. Verse mastery main stats

[quick marlin]

my guy its hour 2 of the patch

[fallow rampart]

But everyone maxing verse, ig they know something ?

[quick marlin]

yeah they know a lot

[warm marlin]

are you looking at pvp

none of the ones on murlok have 700 vers for m+

[void ocean]

do u guys think spending tier charge on a champion gear is worth?

[lucid jackal]

for sure not

Keys are so easy rn

Just run some keys

[warm marlin]

idk if its your 4p i prob would the charges seem to drop fairly often

maybe more likely to get another charge by the time you loot the slot you need to cata

[lucid jackal]

I did dungeons from 2-8

then from 12-2

and I got 2 catalyst charges

Maybe I'm unlucky but thats my exp with it'

[onyx flame]

How many myth crests do you get in a +9?

[gilded ferry]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[onyx flame]

TY ♥️

[neon frigate]

would this be a good choice for my vault reward?

[void ocean]

whats the achievement required for that?

to start getting catalyst charges

[lucid jackal]

2k? I think

Or is it having tier...

@warm marlin do u remember?

[warm marlin]

should be having 4p

its called catalyst unbound or something

[lucid jackal]

Ohw ell shiot

then maybe u should catalyst champ gear then

[warm marlin]

ye thats what i meant u could just highroll into more than 1 charge from getting it early before key spam

[open depot]

What spec did you end up running in keys?

[lucid jackal]

Outlaw

[warm marlin]

you could also get owned and drop your hero track nice piece you want to cata insta and get sad

[lucid jackal]

Outlaw feels fun in keys

I think sub might be better tho

but I get to have fun in my +10s rn so I'm happy

[open depot]

I feel

[vale osprey]

How easy we talking? Stuff feeling undertuned?

[lucid jackal]

Id say yeah

[shadow lance]

Guy, you murican?

[lucid jackal]

Sort of was expecting it wish such a large fundamental change to the game

Canadian, thankfully

[shadow lance]

Yeah, I meant Murican continent ahaha

This side of the see 😛

[lucid jackal]

Then yes!

[shadow lance]

Thanks god, I was like, already bashing 10s

Release was 2h30 earlier

[lucid jackal]

Yeah

Was nice that servers were up early today

[upbeat sorrel]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[shadow lance]

Just waked up, gonna check the vault, drink a coffee and start the farm

[narrow tendon]

is light company guidon still a top trinket even if you've reached the haste threshold?

[warm marlin]

i cant WAIT for thursday when i finally am free from work to grind keys for 14 hours and do mythic raid

it's gonna be a banger

[lucid jackal]

I love wow but I do want to play other video games eventually

I've been loving this expac launch but man

Its been soooo busy

[vale osprey]

What was your progression though keys? 2-5-7-9-10? Or were they easy enough to +3 at 5s as well?

[lucid jackal]

I like the staggered releases, and all the warbound stuff they've done to the game

uhhhhh

let me check

2 5 8 10

We almost 2 chested the 8

lol

[vale osprey]

Thanks fam, I'm dad gaming but took the day off work, will try to yoink a high level key from a guild team that's been going since 4am and then blast

[lucid jackal]

3 chested*

[vale osprey]

Alright damn

[lucid jackal]

and we were on like

Our alts are geared, but they dont have tier and stuff

[vale osprey]

Thank god, I love an easy key season

[lucid jackal]

THe biggest issue with keys RN is raw HPS

If ur healers are bad u might die to random, overtuned spells

But for the most part, its very easy

[worldly hinge]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[neon frigate]

is the drum of renewed bonds (crit) a reasonable trinket on hero lvl?

[warm marlin]

nah downtime after mfo was real long

especially since we stopped raiding early

i do love sts2 though

banged out a bunch of other games in the backlog (modded sekiro is super fun btw, great experience) im ready to just be immersed in wow for the next month or so

[lucid jackal]

I wanna go back to PoE, I got Mewgenics to beat, Slay the spire 2 to play, Deadlock to grind again, Hearthstone to play

So many video games

[gilded ferry]

I feel like its the first time in a long time that blizzard nailed the new tier experience.

[lucid jackal]

This is kind oft he "finish line" other than raiding for a bit

Ofc crests every week still exist, and the vault

and the other raid opening

I also wanna just engage with casual systems

Like housing lol

and like, all the sidequests still

[gilded ferry]

Liked a lot the prey addition, I thought it was a fun side stuff

[rich canopy]

Oh boy, week 2 of no set piece

[west bluff]

should i follow whatever the sim is doing in this case?

[gilded ferry]

get to 2k io and you will have 2 catalysts, at least 2 pc this week

[fiery garnet]

guys, this is a nobrainer pick, right?
Gaze all the way? I still dont have the set but I think that set will come way easier than Gaze after all...

[gilded ferry]

next week hopefully you get a piece in vault, that way, you complete 4c

[lucid jackal]

Clear the raid first

Wait a bit and see if mythic ends up puggable maybe?

Socket is also not a bad pick this week either, setting up for a future week

but i mean, its probably alnseer though

[fiery garnet]

Well I gotta save my chars for my guild splits, so this will be a bit out of my reach for a while 😄

[brisk onyx]

How many ms do you set lag tolerance? I think it has a significant impact to the last gcd in dance

[fair wedge]

yo guys sry might be a stupid question but is there any benefit to stacking multiple dances before starting a key

or does it cap at 1

[wheat relic]

idk man....

set or trinket?

[fiery garnet]

I feel you lol, I'd go for trinket as it is a higher demand and set might come easier tbh

[wheat relic]

Ye, idk when will you get a trinket next time

but do raid first i guess

if you get lucky enough to roll well actually

[warm marlin]

pvp was so fun week 1 we're considering trying for glad for the first time

might be a fun little excursion

[west bluff]

do you raid consistently

[hollow spear]

@warm marlin

[wheat relic]

No

[warm marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[hollow spear]

How's your cook doing?

[warm marlin]

im not gonna be able to play the game until thursday but my lackeys tell me it is inconsistent

[west bluff]

i'd take 100% the trinket and pug normal/hc or find leather friends to LFR with you, just to get the 4 set and catalyst drop going

[wheat relic]

Is that trinket a big upgrade compared to puzzle box?

[hollow spear]

Maybe they are trying to make their master rethink his decisions. Don't stray from your path, Mr. Franken... ehh, Ryldd.

[wheat relic]

Didnt really sim it

[warm marlin]

when i logged in to check my vault it worked that's all im saying

skill issue perhaps?

[hollow spear]

Becoming Frankenstein would be kind of on brand for someone studying pathology though

Maybe it's not only a timer issue in game and Fimbul being Aussie also plays into it

it's a time zone issue, too

[west bluff]

at the same ilevel no, but you'd be set for a long time with this trinket whereas tier sets will rain like water in a couple days/weeks

there's a very rough estimate on bloodmallet, but clearly they aren't that far apart

[chrome palm]

It doesn’t work hehe

Well, at least you can kinda figure out over time (in keys at least) when on the bar the snapshot happens

Like in my last key I figured it was roughly in the middle point of the bar

In raid this is more difficult

[warm marlin]

show up 45 minutes before raid to attack many target dummy

[chrome palm]

[warm marlin]

that did persist through loading screen though right

and reload hopefully

[hollow spear]

On the one hand I am rooting for your project, Ryldd. On the other hand, it's so cursed that it might lead to extinction level events if it actually becomes "meta".

[warm marlin]

no way is the average joe gonna do allat

i just want it to work for me

[hollow spear]

"meta" for the degenerate core

[chrome palm]

I tried loading screen and reload to fix it when I knew it was broken and it did not work

[hollow spear]

most people still don't understand the !aa thing, so I am not afraid your cook will become something people just copy

[chrome palm]

Didn’t get it to work at all in raid so I couldn’t see if it would stick

[verbal kelp]

do we know which are the best trinkets for m+ and which ones for raid?

[chrome palm]

Gaze guidon

Maybe plume

Use sim

Guidon always tho

[warm marlin]

yeah voidspire was not cooperating with me

[chrome palm]

I hate to say but it IS fun to snapshot it last second in blades and get the perfect secret lineup

[warm marlin]

ladies and gentlemen we got em

[chrome palm]

I imagine it gets a little easier with a myth guidon

Idk if norm-myth guidon is an appreciable difference for secret cd

I also had

The most bone dry split in my life

[warm marlin]

it seems to gain a decent bit on bloodmallet which doesn't make a lot of sense to me given how bad haste is after cap

[chilly dagger]

My SAectec is not working anymore.. cant press it since this morning.. any ideas?

[warm marlin]

might be some stuff going on

[chrome palm]

Who the fuck thought 1 tier for 30 raiders was a good idea

With no Omni token for 2 weeks

[chrome palm]

I’m thinking it’s better than sims make it out to be

[keen dome]

Tier simply doesn't exist

[chrome palm]

If it helps make it easier to not waste time in dance

Without having to do the absolutely last second dance

[chrome palm]

Except mail tier in which case

It’s manna from heaven

[keen dome]

I am annoyed and amused my vault said I had 3 heroic slots, but when I opened it, I only had 2. Good job, blizz.

[warm marlin]

a socket is 0.3% dps btw

ask me how i know

[chrome palm]

What do you think I took from vault

[warm marlin]

did you see guy's

that guy got more stuff than all of mfo

in one vault

[chrome palm]

xdd

[keen dome]

I got boots

[chrome palm]

Minimesser gets heroic gaze priest gets alleria neck main gets non tier heroic pieces

[keen dome]

Not a single tier item or trinket fo rme.

[chrome palm]

Dayum

[warm marlin]

he deserves it after the last 2 tiers icl

poor fella

[chrome palm]

So I’ve heard

[hollow spear]

Not up to speed on the guy vault lore

Ig it was tragic?

[warm marlin]

#subtlety message

[lucid jackal]

I'm pvp'd out for now! But I do want the PvP recolor since I'm so close already

[lucid jackal]

Literally

3alnseers dropped too

So I get to take the heroic neck

[warm marlin]

it was actually content all of tww3 seeing you upload the weekly picture of tier shoulders and haste heavy jewelry

[lucid jackal]

Huge crest save

Huge for sub

[warm marlin]

good times

[lucid jackal]

It was all of tww not just s3

[hollow spear]

so it was just an outburst of karmic justice what happened

[warm marlin]

ya but now hes used all the luck so hes not seeing M alleria neck all tier

unlucky!

[lucid jackal]

Unlucky!

[keen dome]

The vault is a trick to convince us there is the potential for loot. We should raid it and simply seize the loot fo rourselves

[tribal blade]

i feel like they need to do an update to the vault

this mega rng bs is kinda tilting

[keen dome]

They have for ages.

Outside of it just bugging for me, which is great, it had zero tier, zero trinkets. the only choice was heroic boots lol

Which is better than no item but blizz, come on

Make it deterministic

[lucid jackal]

I mean, it's part of the game right. There shouldn't just be vendors as a solution to everything

[tribal blade]

you could be like me and go from normal>mythic sylv daggers because they never dropped from heroic 🙂

[north garnet]

Heroic gaze over tier surely right?

[tribal blade]

yeah fair

[tribal blade]

that feels like a wait and see angle

[north garnet]

i need powerrrr

gonna spam m plussy

in a bit :D

[tribal blade]

yeah but you take one now

and then later might end up regretting it

[north garnet]

i just feel like i have 4 set anyway next week right?

[tribal blade]

i would imagine the safer bet would be taking alnseer

[north garnet]

and i might be denying one gaze to my guiild

if i dont take it

[tribal blade]

because tier is inevitable

[north garnet]

yeah

[warm marlin]

this guy doesn't know just how many chim splits are going to occur

that fellow is going to be murdered

[tribal blade]

but for immediate power spike tier much bigger

[tribal blade]

mmmm good point

max was talking about that

i woke up at 4:30am to do keys to make sure i could craft mythic wep before raid

kill me now

i'm done

[keen dome]

I'm being kidnapped into a +10 seat as my first key of the season

[north garnet]

hahahah

[tribal blade]

LOL

straight into the fire

glgl

[keen dome]

https://tenor.com/view/danger-gif-15291718235185428481

[tribal blade]

that was the last key i just did with guildies

i died a few times because i'm so tired

[verbal kelp]

Hi rogues, can you help me decide what to get? i currently only have shoulder set piece ( and i still have one catalyst ). Is it better to get the hero track hands set, or just get guidon?

[tribal blade]

one was on 3rd boss, i stepped a tentacle

got turned around

and walked straight into orbs

like a monkey

[tribal blade]

i feel like long term strategy would be taking guidon

and then short term would be taking tier

but i duno

[verbal kelp]

the only thing that holds me is the fact that guidon is from first boss, relatively easy access

[tribal blade]

it is yeah

[verbal kelp]

seems like 2p is strong gain compared to trinket, maybe ill hold to see if i get tier set from raid

[north garnet]

We dont compete for guidon for BiS with many other specs do we right?

[eternal frigate]

Its worth use occlusion of void and omission of light? or better use ring of algethar?

[tribal blade]

yeah tier will be way bigger than guidon

[tribal blade]

udk for sure needs it

[verbal kelp]

crazy guidon is only 350 dps with puzzle

[hollow spear]

it's 2x on use

with one being 90 seconds

[tribal blade]

double on use not great

also double on use with a 1:30 trink is pretty bad

if you wanted to play double on use it would be something like puzzle box with a 2-3 min 2nd trink

[hollow spear]

yeah, like last season

and even then it probably came down to how strong these trinkets were for us specifically rather than two on use trinkets being strong in general

[tribal blade]

if there was another giga on use like puzzlebox

could be possible

but i dunno if there's another super strong on use for us like puzzlebox that's longer than 1:30 cd

just be no think chad and play on use and passive and chill 🙂

[verbal kelp]

whats the best passive trinket apart from gaze?

[graceful mural]

i have champion shoulders and legs (for pvp mainly) - take champion head or heroic shoulders?

[tribal blade]

gaze/plume/vessel

vessel is sim bait, but technically is the best

[wet ocean]

Hi, I recently started playing rogue, since TWW S2, started out as assassination, however I really disliked the midnight changes and switched to subtlety. Could someone look at my logs and tell me what I should be doing better/paying attention to more?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ragnaros/trïckstab

[torn tide]

rest in peace

[hollow spear]

What was the prio cook again? Do we always strike to get an apexed bp (strike - bp - strike ...) or do we "only" force the apex once (strike - bp - bp ...)?

[iron imp]

Your CDs are all fucked up.
You need to be using shadowblades on CD, you hold.
You're sending naked sectecs, if you're at 18% haste then you should always have every sectec line up with a shadow dance charge.
Make sure you also cast shadow dance before sectec to empower it

Edit: too many "shadow" spell names mb

[cloud jasper]

wait what is the light company trinket not actually good?

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/subtlety/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

I have that one and gaze in my vault havent picked yet so would be nice to k now

[wet ocean]

Even if I dont have dance/tech ready, should I still be using shadowblades?

[hollow spear]

did you sim yourself?

[wet ocean]

not dance, shadowblades, sorry

[cloud jasper]

mmm right good call

[keen dome]

@tribal blade mission complete

[torn tide]

what a gamer

[tribal blade]

huge!

[keen dome]

it was so easy

I'm not pugging which does help and everyone is Very Good (except me, nat)

[iron imp]

Oh, no you hold a bit, but shouldn't be more than like ~10s.
You held for like 50 seconds, which is bad

[keen dome]

But it feels very chill

[hollow spear]

Damn

[tribal blade]

yeah we had some stupid amount of time left

dungeon sucks but seems like you can speed run it

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

that's a good balance for a hard key

[snow parcel]

So finally netted my first piece of tier from Vault. doing splits later but I can't decide if I catalyze before raid or wait it out. I'm leaning towards doing it but how massive is 2p it looks big.

[lyric ibex]

how fast do you get more catalyst charges after 4 set?

[fiery fog]

keys are so undertuned though

[tribal blade]

i got 2 today after making 4 set

so you get em quite fast

[tribal blade]

that's fine tbh

means weekly keys are not a slog

and then title pushing just goes to the key level that's possible

[fiery fog]

my first m+ item is a 3/6 pit dagger

thats nice

[tight roost]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[jovial ginkgo]

are you guys sending myth belt after dagger or what

[shadow lance]

Might maybe update the potions in macros for new people ? @hazy breach @vale pine @Whoevercaneditthebot

[thin sinew]

Anyone got the tier set gain for each spec spreadsheet.

I’ve only seen a screenshot but can’t even find that

[snow parcel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview?pru=AAABnUgf0uo*j9k-Z3Fni7dETX1uuD5JxQ

This one?

[fiery fog]

dagger

[jovial ginkgo]

after

[fiery fog]

ah

uh

wait

[thin sinew]

Ah legend! Wasn’t aware a link was out ty!

[fiery fog]

for mythic raid stuff

[north garnet]

Got my guidon gamers

[eager yoke]

is the crucible erratic energies the trinket from singularity renown a sim bait?

its simming better than a 266 vessel of tortured souls and 266 algethar puzzle box at 259

[vale pine]

cf's and above can edit the commands (most of them)

[hazy breach]

Nop its just good

[shadow snow]

now that i dont have 18% haste is it good to get the haste flask instead of mastery?

[fossil crystal]

What build u all using now for m+? Is trickster the way to go or is fatebound better? X)

[shadow snow]

trickster. Even if we wanted we cannot go fatebound. Sub has access to trick and deathstalker

[fossil crystal]

Ye deathstalker i mean haha

[shadow snow]

go to https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856897746128207892

all answers are there

but yeah trick is better

[cursive vapor]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[crystal quiver]

Do we want any verse?

[quick marlin]

sim yourself

[sly shore]

[jade urchin]

is vessel sim updated? i swear its wasnt -2% yesterday

[hollow spear]

that circle placement irks me

[chrome quiver]

is gaze still bis?

[graceful mural]

can anyone suggest what to do?
I have champion legs+shoulder set (i play mainly pvp so i did 2set for it)
now in weekly chest i have champion head set piece or heroic shoulders set piece
what to take?

[jade urchin]

if ure gonna raid wait with vault if u get a tset from it

[graceful mural]

i will do only small keys, not raiding prob at all

max +10 in future weeks

[jade urchin]

do u have the cata charge from 1.6k pvp/2k m+ already?

[torpid snow]

Does anyone know what these icons are and how I can move them?

[wraith sphinx]

private aura debuffs from dbm

type /dBm and they're somewhere in there

[golden coral]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steep raven]

How does Alnseer trinket work?

Wording is a bit confusing, I hope you don't have to pick shit up?

[manic ivy]

guyyyss!!!!! 😃

[mossy chasm]

🙁

[vale pine]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[vale pine]

seems like i need to change it again, 6 is giving champ gear it seems

[pulsar cape]

i see a bunch of people not using the first dance talent

could be kinda cool not to worry about getting into the next pack with that buff in mind

[wide citrus]

is there a way to track other then looking top right to track the first dance talent

[pulsar cape]

aparently no

that sucks

[untold panther]

hey guys , i have just joined the discord, checking damage modifiers and changes for incoming 12.0.5 patch i see Nightblade dot listed in there for sub, can anyone confirm if this is coming back?

[tribal blade]

first i've heard of this, can you link it?

i wouldn't be surprised if it came back

[untold panther]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamined-class-changes-for-midnight-12-0-5-ptr-build-66527-380876

scroll down all the way to rogue and look at listed spell modifiers

[upbeat cradle]

It's just in the aura

Because it was part of the class

[tribal blade]

oh yeah it's just yeah

[upbeat cradle]

Leftover code

[tribal blade]

you see deadly throw in there

which is not in the game anymore

[magic lotus]

[untold panther]

soo i got jebaited fck i was really praying it comes back, i miss that 1 button badly

tnx for the clarification

[magic lotus]

yeah seems bait 😄

[tribal blade]

i'm watching gingi's stream right now

this raid is a completely different experience seeing it from ranged pov wtf

this looks so chill

[untold panther]

yeah lol

[tribal blade]

melee is constant running and dodging

[mighty pebble]

hello, question does alnseer trinket still bis after nerf for us?

[tribal blade]

it's still one of our top passives

[sacred jewel]

Is there any way to recover/regain the crucible trinket once you disenchant it 🤔 wasn't aware it was that good until now

[slate nest]

So wait, we get less aoe and more st with 0.5 patch?

[manic ivy]

guys did i waste all my luck? got both S trinkets?

holy trinity

[slate nest]

vendor puzzle, you got guidon and aln

/j

[manic ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-cat-smile-cat-cool-cat-gif-297291901262297802

[slate nest]

Can't wait to get home and get nothing from vault first week

[sacred jewel]

I got a set piece, considering I went 0/4 last week and how big of an increase 4pc thats a win

[mighty pebble]

thank you

[vale osprey]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[waxen matrix]

is the ring 2-set from M+ good for sub?

[vale pine]

not that good

[tame notch]

We are in a really good state rn

[gilded garden]

Guys i just got radiant plume from weekly chest? is that a bug?

[upper narwhal]

anyone know if the crafting bug is fixed yet?

don't wanna lose 80 myth

[sacred jewel]

exile was pumping on his main in his crown hc split run today, had 116k

but considering he is 265 it could be way higher

[toxic carbon]

nice dps frrom that tank

[short radish]

we're fine

😎

[tribal blade]

was this paladins?

[tame notch]

yup

[tribal blade]

yeah surely blizz does something about that

[short radish]

yeah fuck paladins though

[tribal blade]

all 3 rogue specs being dumpster on 1 boss

is unacceptable

[tribal blade]

FUCK EM

[short radish]

FUCK EM

nexus king

entirely single target

fuck playing DS as well

[tribal blade]

true all my homies hate DS

[short radish]

trickster gang gang

[tribal blade]

all day every day

[short radish]

thank fuck i crafted MH though

Minor myth track upgrades are temporary, early week 2 parses are forever.

[tribal blade]

yeah it's worth 100%

[short radish]

fixing all my parses lmao

absolute cursed parses w1

greys greens and blues

[keen dome]

Huge

big gains

[thorn sundial]

how long before shadow dance do we need to cast light company guidon trinket?

[keen dome]

that's gonna be me maybe not realy

[short radish]

0.5-1 seconds

closer to 1second the safer

[thorn sundial]

fk me thats stupid

[short radish]

yup

🙂

[tribal blade]

hell yeah so much better this week

[keen dome]

I did a rekill last night before reset and went up like 20 points haha

It's so much better once you know the fight

[short radish]

yeah

[quaint breach]

How does this m+ season compare to last season in 10 key diffiiculty?

[short radish]

monkeys can do +10s

in 250 gear

[upper narwhal]

ye i was not expecting 10s to be this free

like actual brain off press W heroic dungeon difficulty

[quaint breach]

🙃

[keen dome]

yeah they're very chill

it's good

[slate nest]

if you play ds you are officially an opp

this post made by the trickster gang

[grand galleon]

guys where can I take quest that gives myth crests for M+2 and higher?

[short radish]

TRICKSTER GANG GANG

[frosty axle]

finish a t11 delve

bountiful i think

[grand galleon]

thanks!

[vale pine]

+1

[sullen spruce]

where should i put my fireblood racial in this macro ?

[lilac stag]

Tier Set enjoyer?

[tribal blade]

hell yeah have 4pc

[lilac stag]

Highlight the two trinkets and paste it over those. We can’t macro trinkets to dance for haste snapshotting.

[lilac stag]

We had zero leather drop again

[tribal blade]

that's tragic

[lilac stag]

Especially with 11 in the roster at this point I’m waiting til Tuesday.

[tribal blade]

don't forget to run lfr too

[lilac stag]

Yeah that’ll be today

[sacred jewel]

you might wanna rethink this macro, especially your secret technique

[sullen spruce]

i got it from wowhead

whats wrong with it ?

[lilac stag]

I literally responded with what’s wrong

[sacred jewel]

just think about it

[lilac stag]

lol

[sullen spruce]

what is it

im confused

[sacred jewel]

what do the potions do, and what ability do u wanna enhance

do u wanna do your damage spell, and then buff up

or the other way around

[sullen spruce]

so why does wowhead give me that macro

are they dumb

[lilac stag]

@vale pine are you dumb? ^

[sullen spruce]

see

i just copypaste it

[sacred jewel]

oh in that case, it must be at the exact same time and it doesn't matter

then its my bad lol

[lilac stag]

and you’re still not actually reading the first answer which is what you need to do to fix it

[sullen spruce]

idc about the trink

i dont have on use anyways

[sour horizon]

guys guys, i got lucky af with lfr tier drop and the diff between no set and 4set is crazy

[sullen spruce]

only puzzle

which i dont macro

[sour horizon]

plus crafted myth dagger too i guess

[sullen spruce]

i was just asking where to put the fireblood racial in it

[slate nest]

damn callout

[dark roost]

is this really still a thing

[slate nest]

yes

[dark roost]

what is causing this second delay?

[sour horizon]

blizzard

[slate nest]

some talent checking flat haste in 1s intervals

[dark roost]

oh right

[slate nest]

If I understood correctly

[sacred jewel]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856897746128207892
faq

[dark roost]

i thought it was the trinket itself being delayed

[slate nest]

nah, it's the talent lmao

[dark roost]

was gonna say it seems to be working for me :P

[sacred jewel]

puzzle + haste trinket = 3 sec delay yup

[slate nest]

oh gods u using double on use?

[dark roost]

2 on use?

[slate nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-say-bleh-gif-26378492

[sacred jewel]

nah thats grief

but imagine

[sour horizon]

puzzle already makes me die everytime I SS in and stand around like a idiot for 2sec

[slate nest]

Precast box

[sacred jewel]

especially when the boss starts to move away

[slate nest]

or is that troll?

[sour horizon]

it comes up aagin

[slate nest]

That is true

[torn tide]

should i catalyst my hero piece if its to complete the 2 piece tierset

[sacred jewel]

only catalyst for 4pc

[slate nest]

When u raid?

[torn tide]

isnt 2 tierset piece good?

[sacred jewel]

its good, but u are taking away chances

by getting ur 2pc early

[mental saffron]

Is this correct after nerfs, sais its updated today

[small vortex]

if you cata pants

then get pants from raid

gg

[slate nest]

imagine, you get 2pc from cata, and get a drop

on the piece you already cata'd

[honest void]

imagine having 1p

i swear down leather never dropped last weej

[small vortex]

we got 1 leather last week

[slate nest]

I have 0

[small vortex]

only boss we didnt kill was crown lol

[honest void]

just sitting here look pretty with my 0 set

[small vortex]

like 90% of our tier drops were plate :/

[slate nest]

and if I get guidon I'll have 0 till raid (if I get drop)

[tribal blade]

same

i swear there's some fuckery with the tier

[slate nest]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-spn-tangled-gif-3832690

[tribal blade]

because it sounds like leather tier just doesn't drop very often

[small vortex]

there definitely is cause our 29 size raid got like 1 piece per boss

[tribal blade]

maybe i'm biased

[small vortex]

and any time we got 2 it was plate + not leather

[tribal blade]

oh they seemed to decide to make tier drop less right now

feels like a tier drought

[slate nest]

I love being cucked out of tier on raid bcs low roll

[sacred jewel]

my first set piece is from vault

[slate nest]

is it troll to take guidon instead of set?

if I dont have either?

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[honest void]

glad u guys at least had tier or trinket options in vault

[slate nest]

I dont even know what my choices sre

Stuck at work

[short radish]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sacred jewel]

4pc is huge for sub

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade I did get the high mastery low haste delve ring on hero track in vault. I think that will be the take since it’s not farmable.

[void ocean]

what do u mean its not farmable

it is once a week xD

[lilac stag]

yeah good luck target farming delve items.

[sacred jewel]

better than this piece of s

[void ocean]

i did... FHL trinket in tww s2

for dk

[lilac stag]

I miss heroic energy drink

[void ocean]

only took me 4-5 weeks

6 tops, no more than 7 for sure

[slate nest]

You got it end of tier didn't you?

[lilac stag]

I wasn’t expecting to take a ring week 1, but here we are.

[void ocean]

it was past my tier end for sure, since we stopped raiding like at the beginning of may

roster boss got the best of us

[slate nest]

idk, didnt raid past s1

and only did aotc s1

and it was on mage

[dark roost]

why does deathstalker prefer to enter dance with low cp?

[tribal blade]

huge!

[alpine wraith]

i got socket

aaaay

[vale pine]

2p is

4p is decent

[plush roost]

My split toons vaults went insane

Gaze on both dh and other rogue

And im stuck with socket angle

[hallow matrix]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[dry flame]

i have pants and gloves in vault, the only thing i have left is Voralus Normal and Vang/Dragons LFR, still at 0 tier otherwise

[chilly dagger]

Should I upgrade my 259 weapon to 272? or is it not worth it using the hero crests for that?

I could also upgrade my 1/6 Hero Tier-Set items with the Crests (i got shoulders & chest)

[plush roost]

Use gilded on crafted do not waste hero

[chilly dagger]

What is gilded?

[weak vector]

Myth crests

[valid yoke]

So I’ve managed to get up to 262 ilvl but not had the most luck on stats, only at 550 haste. I presume I wanna use a haste pot till I balance that out?

[exotic steeple]

bro i got hero track gaze in vault and set piece

wauw

[near herald]

what is the geari g strat now?

[near herald]

is taking ring neck good??

[worldly tundra]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[torn tide]

so its better to go heroic raid then after getting no gear then i use cata?

[exotic steeple]

im taking the hero gaze fuk set piece

[swift merlin]

So during dance and Sec tec do i do shadowstrike evis evis or just shadow strike evis shadowstrike evis

[rain stratus]

what are you guys crafting this week?

[valid yoke]

Just did my myth belt

[twilit gorge]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[rain stratus]

Though it might seem a waste on a already embellished item, instead of something like a ring

[alpine wraith]

depends on things belt or pants

[cursive wagon]

!academy

[swift merlin]

Ahh i see some dont double spend unless in that criteria

[rapid barn]

What is the best pick? I have 1 manaflux and 0 tier set

[chilly dagger]

what should I use hero for then, if not for a weapon craft?

im only level 2 delve, so no gilded for me yet

[swift merlin]

You can get gilded from keys

[mortal galleon]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[dry flame]

is it worth catalysing for 2 set, ive cleared all normal and hc and only tier is in vault

[sweet moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/854092530420285463/1486340549345542355/image.png?ex=69c52601&is=69c3d481&hm=4ade27a93077018042d9cfd7571b86359e139a37521e64ac091846b5a3bbb998&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=325

[keen dome]

Also wondering this 'cos tier doesn't exist.

[sweet moss]

how goods puizzle

[foggy egret]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dry flame]

[little ferry]

i would say yes, it s a 7% damage increase on 2 set, if you have a hero track it s worth

[keen dome]

I still have raid to do but I mean, lol lmao. I did get a hero helm from M+ with a socket though.

[dry flame]

i play all 3 specs, so not sure

[dry flame]

only thing left for me is LFR dreamrift for chest and LFR dragons/paladins

[keen dome]

the lfr dream

I just want 4-set so I can farm the catalyst charges

[wintry heart]

I don’t really raid and I looted a hero chest last week and got champion tier helm this week so I’m tempting to get 2 set from the catalyst

So I can do more than tank Druid damage

[jovial garnet]

im not getting myth crests from my gilded stashes

[keen dome]

You need to be Delve rank 4.

[sweet moss]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qA9Q6HBpsZbvzJnDtVvRSc why puzzle and shit barely simming more dps for me can anyone have a look

[spring citrus]

crit is 351
haste is 751
mastery is 784
what stat should I focus on for gems and things now?

mastery is my guess

[keen dome]

I recommend simming yourself with different combos to see.

[hazy breach]

Whats the issue

[dry flame]

lfr dream is dead

[keen dome]

[dry flame]

the only positive is i fixed my logs a little bit

[sweet moss]

that i have to press an on use for 500 dps

[spring citrus]

my biggest thing is i got drum of renewed bonds hero from delves and dont know what stat i should have it proccing

can i sim it somehow

[foggy egret]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[sweet moss]

would i be a chud to drop 500 dps to not have to press on use

[wintry heart]

For someone who doesn’t raid, should I catalyze the hero chest I looted the other day to give myself two set?

[sweet moss]

yes

fk it bro

[wintry heart]

It’s a 7% increase so I feel like it’s just worth it based on that alone

And if I can manage 2k this week I’ll have another two charges at reset

[keen dome]

sounds like a compelling reason if you aren't gonna raid

[wintry heart]

I usually just raid to get trinkets and I got a champ track guidon yesterday so I probably won’t step foot in a raid for a bit lol

[swift tinsel]

is the catalyst charge dropping from raid/m+/delves accountwide still or did they fix that

[thorn sundial]

anyone know if bloodlust increases shadowdance duration?

ah it doesnt

cool

[short radish]

sdance only increases from flat haste numbers

[sacred magnet]

is the sim bgged or something? alnseer was simming 0,6 increase yesterday but now its like 5%

[radiant swift]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[haughty mural]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grave parcel]

Anyone else notice that you have to wait a second before dancing after using a haste trinket otherwise it doesn’t register for the dance if u go to fast and you don’t get the extra duration?

[tawny river]

does it matter which hand your weapon enchant is on

[grave cradle]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[wintry heart]

Yes, you have to do guidon slightly better dance

[void ocean]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[slate nest]

yes, it's in the faq

[radiant swift]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[slate nest]

u up?

[mental kettle]

vault so dogshit i had to take this

[crimson dagger]

Anyone know how much of a dps boost percentage wise our 2 and 4 set each are?

[mental kettle]

iirc 9% 2 set and like 12 or 14% overall for 4set

[brazen meadow]

Anyone swapping to assa for particular bosses? I’m 98-99 on sub but unsure if assa is just straight up better for boss damage on certain ones

[crimson dagger]

Damn 12-14% just for 4 set is crazy

[mental kettle]

no

14% ovr

from no set to 4 set

not from 2 set to 4 set

[static jolt]

im actually super confused by my vault

[slate nest]

from 2 to 4 is 5%

From 0-2 is 9%

total from 0-4 is 14%

[mental kettle]

yeah its acc crazy

how dogshit sub is without set

[slate nest]

Yes

[mental kettle]

i took the fucking

veteran piece from vault

to get 4 set faster

so cringe

i didnt get any set pieces last week

[slate nest]

Im 0set so im not even looking at logs lmao

[static jolt]

Alleria neck is Champion 6/6 gaze is Hero, and only gloves from delves are hero track

Any advice?

What is going to be the hardest to find?

The neck prolly right. But is it worth it?

[chilly kite]

gaze it isn't even a choice

[slate nest]

Neck is bis but gaze is more bis

[static jolt]

Gaze can drop though

[void ocean]

yes, dont take pictures of ur monitor 😄

[static jolt]

No?

[void ocean]

its 2026.

[chilly kite]

neck ur competeing with very few people for, gaze your competeing with the entire raid for

[slate nest]

I got neck from cosmos

[static jolt]

Im at a net Café I can’t crop for some weird reason

[slate nest]

Still no gaze

You just need to wait for a neck drop, very few people actually want it

So just get gaze

[mental kettle]

honestly

can they make puzzlebox nerfed

[static jolt]

oh really? is tha ttrue regarding neck?

[mental kettle]

and make it 1.5 min

dogshit ass game

[short radish]

@tribal blade convinced RL to give this to me instead of the ret paladin

[static jolt]

i guess devourer sp and sub huh

[void ocean]

Gaze of the Anlasser

[short radish]

its so on

[static jolt]

and i think since i also play sin gaze is better than the neck

[mental kettle]

imagine giving prio to a fucking RET over literally anything ever

[static jolt]

and i shouldnt consider a tier piece correcT?

[mental kettle]

I would rather give items to an Aug

than to a ret player

[short radish]

to be fair our ret kinda pumps

[slate nest]

What are your current trinkets?

[short radish]

rather frequent r1 gamer

but he had 263 heroic trinket

[static jolt]

vessel champion track and puzzlebox champion track

[slate nest]

oh gods

[short radish]

yeah replaced that haha

feels good.jpg

just need a stupid guideon

[mental kettle]

Augs did unspeakable warcrimes to rogues in s2 of DF i havent forgotten, but ret players are just their own thing

[slate nest]

get that vessel out

Quick

get gaze

[static jolt]

isnt it good?

[slate nest]

no brainer

[short radish]

i tricks aug every single time i'm with one. if they want to steal my damage, they can steal my aggro

[slate nest]

It's good if you look at stats and what it gives, but fucking awful to get the orbs on fights

[mental kettle]

low and high key giga based

[short radish]

i refuse to play it

[static jolt]

vessel was shown as a good trinket on wowhead

[swift tinsel]

is anyone else having problems with sectech cd in Arc UI

[mental kettle]

but i have a macro for tricks so gg

[short radish]

tried it once and got baited by uhdk

[slate nest]

Samw, I vendored it like 3 times already

[short radish]

arcui has been buggy with combo points for me, especially when playing DS

[static jolt]

ok so gaze it is

thank you

hopefully i see a tier piece this week

[chilly kite]

i replaced puzzlebox with hero guidon, and got hero gaze in vault i'm set till mythic lol

[swift tinsel]

its specifically just sectech not showing its cooldown duration, but will desaturate when on cd and re-color when off cd

its really really annoying

[short radish]

gzgzgz

[grand galleon]

is it wort catalysing champ track to get 4 set or should I wait for hero item

[slate nest]

gz mate, wish i was u rn

[swift tinsel]

all other cooldowns function normally and its pissing me off lol

[south kernel]

has anyone tried the clipping with 4p and guidon on 2nd dance?

[short radish]

insta cata

[slate nest]

if you get 4set you can get faster 4set later, you can cata for 4 ser

[short radish]

you find mor epieces later

[swift tinsel]

during raid/m+ last night I had a floating action bar so I could see its cd lol

[grand galleon]

how does this work exactly?

[slate nest]

also it is recommended to 4set cata instantly

[grand galleon]

i am still confused

[south kernel]

afaik yes

[swift tinsel]

once you get 4pc you can get cata charges to drop

[south kernel]

once u get 4p u get an achievement

that allows u to drop more cata cahrges

[swift tinsel]

in addition to getting them e/o week

[south kernel]

I FUCING HATE GUIDON DUDE

i press it with the sahdowstrike on the opener

[chilly kite]

it is 100% worth to get 4pc as soon as possible, i'm sitting on capped catalyst charges and catalysed braceers + boots already this week

[south kernel]

and sometimes its still too slow

[chilly kite]

you get a charge like every 2-3 m+

[grand galleon]

i see, thanks

[vale osprey]

It's that frequent???

[slate nest]

DONT 👏 MACRO 👏 GUIDON 👏 WITH 👏 DANCE 👏

but fr, you have to wait 0.5-1 second after guidon to dance to get longer dance

[static jolt]

i shouldnt rush to max the gaze with tokens right? prolly get some main slot pieces

[chilly kite]

its gonna get nerfed

[south kernel]

yes i know

[vale osprey]

I mean why would they care if we have lots of cata charges? That's just a good thing no?

[south kernel]

im saying im using it on the strike BEFORE dance

[slate nest]

okay just checking

[south kernel]

the one from stealth

[swift tinsel]

nvm its the base cdm that's bugging out with sectech

[south kernel]

and sometimes its still too slow

[swift tinsel]

god damnit

[south kernel]

im tryna get a feel for clipping it into the 2nd dance

while not wasting a gcd

and god this is horrid

[chilly kite]

I pretty much start the fight with guidon shs then hit the dance macro with blades, and it seems to work

[south kernel]

thats not the problem

the problem now

is if u have 4p + guidon

cos u have to turbo delay guidon

u miss the 2nd dance

or miss the guidon on 2nd dance

specially since THIS FUCKING DOGWATER DESIGN FOR TECH instantly adds 1 sec cd on tech

once guidon expires

cos it scales off of haste

so i either 1- dance early and waste an entire gcd so i supercharge tech

or 2- dance late and it doesnt clip guidon

im sure its doable and easier with more haste but fuck me this sucks

[slate nest]

what is ur current haste at?

no guidon

[south kernel]

84

[slate nest]

HUH?

[south kernel]

i know 700 makes it alot easyer

684

[slate nest]

ah

[south kernel]

LMAO foc not 84

[honest void]

84 was a bit mad

[south kernel]

ikr

[slate nest]

I was thinking

[south kernel]

saves me one button press

gotta get efficent

[slate nest]

What is guidon cd?

[dark roost]

90s

[south kernel]

1:30

[slate nest]

Ah

So good

Can't wait to get it

Im using piss puzzlebox

[south kernel]

i almost rerolled

cos of the interactions with it

[drifting zinc]

Normal guidon or hero tier out vault have 0 tier currently zzz

[slate nest]

Im using this current xd

[south kernel]

personally? if i was u i'd go tier

[wintry heart]

I didn’t realize 2 piece was dam near 10%

[slate nest]

The optimal thing is guidon if you can manage to delay it well

But

If you wanna play it like the 2 button class blizz wanted us to be

You take tier

I just wish blizz actually paid attention to people complaining about guidon on sub xd

And fixed the stupid interraction

So we could macro it together

and forget it was even there

[valid tartan]

how much value does this really have in m+, feel like there's rarely ever 6sec between packs

running 13s

[keen dome]

We need to invent a time machine so we can tell people playing Wrath that they'll still be running pit of saron in 2026.