subtlety

[shrewd lantern]

so they only gave hero

[hoary bloom]

!bp

[slate nest]

W stats?

[weak vector]

looks about average

[tulip light]

there is now W stats

[shrewd lantern]

People remember their stats?

[tulip light]

get 700 haste and max ilvl w/o vers

[north garnet]

-Have all cds going into intermission phases (75%, 50% and 25% hp) to kill adds before boss becomes active again (you likely wont be able to survive both boss and adds hitting you at the same time)

-Stay near Valeeras healing orbs to heal back when you get low. If low and no orbs you will have to use dance (dumps all agro so that boss attacks Valeera) or Evasion

-potion of light, flask, health pot and other consumables will help greatly

-Use elusiveness instead of cheat death, cast evasion often to mitigate damage

-Its okay to stand in void puddles if you have to down the adds, uptime matters a lot in intermission and during cds

hope it helps :p

[shrewd lantern]

funny thing is that vers isnt that horrendous

its not outlaw mastery levels of bad

[frail kindle]

is deepening shadows just buggy as hell or something im so confused

so i have a 12 second dance with trinket up

randomly during lust i had a 8 second dance

[velvet jay]

My valeera dies at horrible moments. Is there a way to heal her up>

or is it just ressing simulator

[shrewd lantern]

lust doesnt affect it

[north garnet]

Hmm

Valeera shouldnt die

[young reef]

so dont open gilded chests unless you have 4 delver journey basicaly?

[velvet jay]

she doesn't heal

[shrewd lantern]

yeah if you really care about minmax

[velvet jay]

she just slowly dies

[north garnet]

hmm

[shrewd lantern]

counterpoint is loot a mythic vorasius weapon

[north garnet]

what level is she?

[shrewd lantern]

so no reason to send gilded right now

[frail kindle]

that boss is probably hard

[north garnet]

mine was around 20

when i did the boss

[frail kindle]

mythic vorasius is about to be a week 1 DEMON

[shrewd lantern]

Probably big numbers check

[velvet jay]

lvl 26

[shrewd lantern]

doubt hes a mechanic check much

[swift tinsel]

lmao rip

[north garnet]

are you dumping agro onto her too often with tricks?

i can stream killing the boss

if you wanna

[swift tinsel]

generational ope

[velvet jay]

Im not tricksing at all :P

[north garnet]

hmmm

[velvet jay]

but im using dance on cooldown

should I not do that?

[north garnet]

its okay as long as you have double dance + blades for adds

[velvet jay]

I just do my pve rotation

[swift tinsel]

synch with sectech or save if adds spawn soon

[velvet jay]

yeah I do that

but it's just random sometimes the boss hits me for 75% of my health xD

and then she dies

it is just bad timing

but its really annoying cause the boss takes ages

lest just try again

[frail kindle]

okay no

i do not understand this trinket at all

i go from a 12 second dance with trinket to a 8 second dance

wtf

[hazy breach]

No

[limpid sage]

So glad I randomly saw this

[hazy breach]

Thats the first dance

[frail kindle]

OH

holy fuck

i was losing my mind

LMFAO

[young reef]

wooot

got hero shoulder

gonna cataylst that

4 SET HERE WE GO BABY

[shell zephyr]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[weak vector]

lol this game gives me garbage loot

[hoary bloom]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[dreamy latch]

is Nullaeus on a weekly lock out?

[stuck arrow]

For crests yes. Only 5 crests though.

[shell zephyr]

Ahoy lads, Light Company Guidon landed in my vault and I have a question about it. As a reminder, this trinket is an agi stat stick with an active that gives a burst of haste for 6s (634 at Hero 6/6).

So, haste is very valuable for us until ~650-700 to fit in another gcd in Shadow Dance. Why then is our BiS trinket a haste burst? Doesn't haste become less valuable than Mastery and Crit once the break point of ~650-700 is reached? I see its CD aligns with Shadow Blades and, at 700 hastes, its active effect still leaves us below the 1320 soft cap. But still, I'm surprised that a haste trinket is our BiS when it is not needed to reach ~650-700.

[stuck arrow]

After the first time. Kinda meh.

[valid yoke]

I asked this question before and was literally told just cos it’s the best 90sec trinket

So I’m assuming there is no better reason

[shell zephyr]

I see

Thanks

[hazy breach]

At ~700 you get 2 extra globals inside shadowdance, if you use guidon you get ~1.3k, which means you get 3 globals instead

And your secret technique has a lower cd, so you can fit two sectechs into shadow blades (with tier since blades is 20s)

[upbeat sorrel]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[lucid jackal]

Thers no way to force the sim to Optimize for 700-750 haste

in top gear right

[hazy breach]

Not the way you want to no

[vague oar]

When we do the second sectec in blades, we then hold our third dance until it's back up right?

[waxen matrix]

guys what do we do when we have Coup, SecTec and dance available at the same time?

is it work to Dance+Coup then SecTec after to avoid munching one of the 2 guaranteed Unseen Blade procs?

[hazy breach]

Ideally you hold the second dance in blades so you can hit the second supercharger with sectech

[hazy breach]

You always want to sectech on cd

[strange geode]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[shy scarab]

@vale pine are u sure this one is correct

This one is from wowhead

[solemn isle]

currency tab says myth crests only drop from 9+

[vale pine]

i am currently updating it with whispyr in #assassination

seems like champ is now 2/3 too

thanks

do we know the crest amount?

[shy scarab]

That is unknown sadly

[vale pine]

is it 10/12/14?

[restive stream]

can anyone help me to understand what im doing wrong as i see i have good rotation but 0 damage
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wPfZKp8RJbLrDMz7?fight=10&type=damage-done
it will be good if u dm me

[shy scarab]

Not sure.. before +12 gave 20 right?

[summer gate]

tier shoulders 256 ilvl or heroic dagger from vault? shoulders give me 2 pc,

[silk fiber]

Tier imo

You should have a crafted dagger by now even if its only with vet/hero

[solemn isle]

hero dagger is farmable as well

gotta be tier if you aren't 4p already

[summer gate]

please believe, thanks peeps!

[wintry heart]

I don’t even have 1 piece 😂

[shell zephyr]

Oh thats sick, I didn't think we could get to another gcd

[tulip light]

anyone else getting random stealth breaks?

[tulip light]

tier. you craft myth wep this week

[solemn isle]

sometimes coup breaks it if you coup then vanish

that is the only one I noticed

[vale pine]

+9 is 10 myth now

[steel spire]

anyone having any issues with cdm not showing something is on cd?

after update

[hearty mural]

fck dont know if i should get champion gaze trinket or hero Tier hands

i have 0 tier

[vale pine]

i did hear rumors about action bars causing lua errors on na

[verbal kelp]

should we upgrade our hero tier pieces with hero crests, or save them?

[fringe zealot]

how accurate are sims for the Guidon trinket? I have the option to take that, or the Oozing Vestige in my vault. tough choice between the two

[buoyant shale]

I'm confused by the So Tricky talent. IS all threat redirection for the full hour or does the buff just last an hour is activates when I attack

[last marten]

yo, how many sparks can we have this week 4 or 5 ?

[hazy breach]

The redirection lasts for 1 hour yes

[velvet jay]

Still stuck on Nulleaus xD I don't know what kind of vodoo shit you have to do to not let Valeera die

but at certain points she gets drops to 40% instantly

[wintry heart]

I’m pretty sure Guidons is super bis lol

[velvet jay]

and she doesn't get her health back at all

[indigo current]

hi, quick question

[silk fiber]

Max is three right now no? One from achieve, 1 from quest and 1 regular

[indigo current]

what talents did u use for ?? delve

?

pure single target?

deathstalker?

[last marten]

I got 4, but there is pvp which gives one

not sure if it works

[silk fiber]

Raid build with no cheat death

252 ilvl

[glass gale]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[velvet jay]

Im looking up video's and I see none of the valeera's die

but mine dies multiple times

I have 0 clue what im doing wrong

[lunar bluff]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[velvet jay]

im stuck on this horrible boss for 2 hours now

[subtle jay]

how do i track my trinket cooldown now with this shitty api update

[unreal silo]

where does shadowstep port on vorasius?

[spare totem]

gosh dang

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal why does this look like a socket angle

i will not have guy vault luck this season

[hazy breach]

Drums arent horrible, but bingus probably has gaze already

[warm marlin]

no gaze but we're looking down the barrel of M chim splits already

already have tier legs at that ilvl, crafting mythic dagger, and dont particularly want to destroy my chances at alleria neck

[spare totem]

I almost dont wanna grab tier for 2pc and get my bis trinket. lol

[velvet jay]

can someone please explain to me how you can heal valeera at that Nulleaus fight

[jaunty ferry]

Just put up a LFG and get a tank and send it

[velvet jay]

cause the moment I use my 4th shadow dance valeera dies

[jaunty ferry]

ngl

[warm marlin]

wtf!

[velvet jay]

and she is on healer specc

[warm marlin]

this guy took my luck

[hazy breach]

Neck or gaze

[jaunty ferry]

my valeera is level 50 and i barely keep her up

[hazy breach]

Prob neck ye

[warm marlin]

neck imo ye it be rare

also m chim comes a lot earlier

[spare totem]

wish my neck was heroic

[alpine wraith]

winners win

[tepid trellis]

guy always has the best vaults

ong

[warm marlin]

very real and true

[alpine wraith]

makes sense

[hazy breach]

Ye typical guy

[alpine wraith]

watch him drop it on M this week

[mellow smelt]

whats the best way to grind delve rep to get level 4?

looks like bountiful delves only give like 350 rep

[alpine wraith]

you need lots of alts

[mellow smelt]

cringe

[warm marlin]

this is why i crafted bracer last week had a premonition

now i got a place to put the socket

[mellow smelt]

anyone know what a guilded stash gives at rank 2?

[jaunty heath]

do we have race sims

"fuu

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

panda/mecha > (0.4%) orc/a bunch of others

dwarf etc

[plush roost]

Tiers over

[warm marlin]

omg twinning

did you already have 269 pants tho

[plush roost]

Im probably crafting pants

Myth alleria is offpiece and tier pants yucky

[jaunty heath]

its 850 dps pandaeren > dwarf for me

i really like stoneform tho

[warm marlin]

there will be a hole in my spark bracers once i get a keystone so that my vault doesnt give me a 2

[plush roost]

I def am considering this

[pliant glade]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[jaunty heath]

belt crafter here

what can you socket this season ?

[plush roost]

Belts bracers helmet

[jaunty heath]

cool cool

[plush roost]

Mythic splits looking very real btw monkaS

[jaunty heath]

whats up with cosmos trinket

[warm marlin]

perhaps it was a mistake to craft 2 heroic items on the split alt for temp power

[plush roost]

Xd

[gusty jungle]

guys we still use ss at 3 target in sd ? or its 2 now

[warm marlin]

bungusgippy might be getting the call up

[jaunty heath]

there is literary no upgrade trinket over rep on hero track beside that gaze 😄

[forest moss]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[subtle jay]

delve quest for m+ aint giving crests

when will these fuckers fix this shitty game

[swift tinsel]

hell yeah

10's are so free this week

[weak vector]

@swift tinsel how did you get the crests so fast

[swift tinsel]

?? delve boss, weekly quest from 11's, gilded chests

[weak vector]

Which weekly quest?

[swift tinsel]

on an 11 you can get one to do a +2 and get 20 myth crests and 20 hero crests

[weak vector]

Oh the cracked keystone?

gocha

[swift tinsel]

also getting to +9 dungeons is not that hard

we just kinda jumped in to fuck around and almost timed a 10

most of us 250ish

[weak vector]

Hmm, could I solo ?? at 257?

[vale pine]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[swift tinsel]

almost 16% dps upgrade just from the dagger craft lol

[vocal torrent]

I wasnt messing with it for very long but I was 255 and I couldnt even keep aggro on the boss he would randomly swap to valeera, kill her, and require me to revive her which became a huge pain in the ass

this was yesterday evening

[weak vector]

Damn. I'll try to find a group for it then.

[vocal torrent]

she was doing like 10k dps and I still just couldnt keep aggro, no tricks up

[stuck arrow]

Shadow dance will drop your threat by -1000%.

[vocal torrent]

yeah thatll do it

brann could have tanked this fuck

😤

[stuck arrow]

Valeera could on day 1 too. 😂

Blizzard nerfed her

[vale osprey]

Logged like ABSOLUTE shit on Aleria HC

It's over

[wanton mantle]

I killed it 2 nights ago. I let valeera tank the entire time just refresh heal before she dies and hit feint and rez her gg. Rez her before u push 2nd phase specifically.

[vocal torrent]

[upper narwhal]

Yes, did it 255 few days ago

[vocal torrent]

they hotfixed her I believe

she dies in like 4 autos

[upper narwhal]

I used shadow dance to make her tank, then took aggro and kited while she healed and repeated that

[wanton mantle]

Shit i just put hour long tricks on her lol

[vocal torrent]

you mean like just leaving her dead until she rezzes naturally

[tribal vortex]

You can res when boss casts

[vocal torrent]

that would have been my strategy normally and was for the previous delv bosses

[tribal vortex]

also with elusiveness you kinda survive

[upper narwhal]

No I didn’t let her die, don’t use tricks on her

You can juggle her heals to tank for a bit and use shadow dance to drop aggro when you run out

[wanton mantle]

Unless they hotfixed her within the last day which i havent seen any mention

[tribal vortex]

tricks on her doesn;'t work well

cause she dies very easily after the hotfix about healing herself

you want to juggle aggro back and forth

maybe on adds you can tricks her

[upper narwhal]

Whole fight was watching her and my health to decide who should currently be tanking

[acoustic lodge]

Any changes in talents?

[wanton mantle]

Is this some like secret hotfix that happened yesterday?

[tribal vortex]

no the heal thing is like 12 hours after release

[celest night]

!upgrade

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[heady garden]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wanton mantle]

What release

[tribal vortex]

there was a silent hotfix cause boss was ultra piss easy

and valeera doesn't get healed when you pick up pots

so now she just kinda dies

[wanton mantle]

Yeah i didnt heal her i let her die and then rezzed her i killed it sunday night

[alpine wraith]

i used the strat of only using tricks on adds

just tanked the boss most of the time

only she got aggro when i danced

[wanton mantle]

Just tricks her and let her tank, kept my heal up everytime i had to rez i just hit feint n rezzed her with heal going

I*

[tribal vortex]

yeah for me the hard part is before first adds

she gets too low

so i try to make her die before i phase her

[wanton mantle]

Thats the key u just gotta know when to push phases. There really isnt a time table so u can wait all u want. Watch shindiggs video i basicly did what he did

[tribal vortex]

yeah but i just die 😛

i can't tank the boss

[rotund urchin]

Does using a dagger or a mace as your off-hand significantly affect the subtlety?

[tribal vortex]

I mean it is doable

but cba trying

it is a very stupid fight

[wanton mantle]

I have a 4 stack of healing and use elusiveness? U should only he tanking the boss for like 5 seconds every 40 seconds

[tribal vortex]

I don't know how they fucked up so much

[stuck arrow]

Need dagger otherwise you get no shadow techniques procs and you giga useless.

[west bluff]

Does it make a difference if my weapon enchants are swapped in main hand/offhand?

[tribal vortex]

no

[solemn hawk]

Are we top dps now ? MonkaHmm

[alpine wraith]

if you only group with healers and tanks yea

[rotund urchin]

Are you sure? Because I can execute all the skills

[crystal quiver]

Does shadow dance cancel the ancient arts proc? like if i have the proc/full cb and activate dance it cancels it?

[alpine wraith]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[alpine wraith]

you get the dmg from apex but not the cp refund if you have premed up

[stuck arrow]

Yes. Don't do it. Offhand barely gives you stats / damage, and the combo points and energy from shadow techniques is more important.

Might be less important if you've got really high haste, but like. Just use a dagger.

[glass jackal]

anyone elses action bars bugged out?

[tribal vortex]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[celest mulch]

hii i just returened to wow and was reading the rotation quick on the wiki. Do we just ignore Dance Macabre in dance now?

[zealous kindle]

is spending combo points for finisher > another shadow strike?

[south kernel]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[supple barn]

is this the best way to determine what trinket to be using? just sim them all

2 are vault so i am trying to make the correct choice

[stuck arrow]

Yes.

[supple barn]

ok so its basically telling me to take crucible and then GV boots, i lose some haste and im already not at 700

so i just continue to use haste flask?

[rotund urchin]

Has subtlety always been able to equip something other than daggers?

[stuck arrow]

Able, yes. But like. Never been good.

[hazy breach]

Yes

[rotund urchin]

only played assa

[stuck arrow]

Seems reasonable to me.

Honestly if the robot says it's big dam, I wouldn't even worry about haste that much as long as dance / SecTec CD isn't totally buggered.

[supple barn]

alrighty

[alpine wraith]

you can move things around a bit to get haste

[oak sorrel]

amani rep neck gives 108 haste unupgraded if you don't have that

[late vine]

shadowstrike putting you in the big yellow pool that one shots you on Araknath is so fuckin troll

[stuck arrow]

And there's always crafting a blue ring.

[late vine]

like fuck me for playing my spec I GUESS

[supple barn]

this is what the robot is telling me is best

[wanton mantle]

Sir, u cant park there.

[umbral frost]

is the guidon delay considered a bug? will it be fixed to act like other stat boosting trinkets?

[supple barn]

so i am gonna choose boots from vault i guess

[wanton mantle]

Is crucible really that good or is something funky with the sim im honestly surprised

[supple barn]

if i sim sappling

[alpine wraith]

crucible is really good

[supple barn]

it picks sappling over crucible

[hazy breach]

Is good

[stuck arrow]

Unless there's tier, I'd take tier even if it's a dps downgrade TBH.

[alpine wraith]

you just wont see it on lists because it caps out at 263

[supple barn]

over every trinket actually lol

i didnt get lucky with vault tier unfort

[weak vector]

Are we clear to spend hero crests this week, or do we save them?

[supple barn]

this trinket wins every sim but my brother said to disregard it as its not part of the current season]

doesnt make much sense

[stuck arrow]

It's a bit sim bait. Does well in dungeons. Awful in raid.

3% my damage in dungeons, like 0.4 in raid. 😂

[supple barn]

lol

good to know ty

[frail bone]

Does the crucible consider the voidpsire part of the void area? Like it's not seperate?

[stuck arrow]

I think movement / target swapping / etc buggers it.

[stuck arrow]

Seems to work everywhere, not just in void.

[hazy breach]

You can change that in the sim

But yes it works in all dungeons/raids

[frail bone]

I didn't use it last week, I know they made last min adjustments but wasnt sure so I went meh .

[stuck arrow]

It's good. Ilvl for ilvl is one of the better trinkets TBH.

[formal vortex]

yo what are the bis trinkets for raid ?

in wow head the bis is diferent at the sims

[frail bone]

I have vessels for one of mine and the mastery buff trinket more of light or whatever it was for last week.

[wintry heart]

Is it worth taking hero gloves and getting two set with cata or should I take helm to save a cata charge

Oh wait we only have 1 charge rn

[shrewd lantern]

we have 2 if you did pvp

but yeah

[stuck arrow]

Take helm and save cata for 4-set.

Always save for 4 set.

[hazy breach]

Idk what sims youre referring to

But yes gaze+guidon

[alpine wraith]

yea was plume for a bit but now it is back to gaze

[wintry heart]

So I should take the helm and then cata my hero track chest for 2 set? Is this what you would do?

[stuck arrow]

No take helm and don't cata till your guaranteed 4 set.

And do LFR. 😂

[formal vortex]

ty

[stuck arrow]

Last think you want is to cata something then get a raid drop. And it's wasted.

[real panther]

hey, do we still bring anti-parry or not?

[wintry heart]

Im not really a raider but this is a good point maybe ill do some stuff

[alpine wraith]

nope

[olive igloo]

would i be stupid if i ignored the sims and took my tier chest

[wintry heart]

I think getting 4 piece is like the most important thing lol

[olive igloo]

yea same

[real panther]

oh, so our uselessness is complete now

great

[alpine wraith]

our boss

[short radish]

paladins.jpg

🙂

[shrewd lantern]

all rogues specs perfectly balanced || in the bin ||

[weak vector]

weeeee

[late vine]

it's kinda comforting knowing you're guaranteed to get buffed tho

[alpine wraith]

ahahahaahj

[short radish]

hahahaha

yeah guaranteed

sure mate

[late vine]

lol

[short radish]

we got our 3%

[alpine wraith]

dont worry they might buff assa

[short radish]

i have slight copium

they buff us

because of all the sub palyers now

[stuck arrow]

Unironically I think Sub best choice for paladins. Take the sub burst for shield so the MM Hunter doesn't have to stop cleaving.

[hazy breach]

Would be more comforting to be strong enough to not need a buff

[alpine wraith]

i could use a 15% aoe buff

[wintry heart]

Why did we get nerfed when our damage looks like this lol

[late vine]

the m0 week aoe nerfs were p dumb

[alpine wraith]

we just didnt shit the bed hard like uh did

[late vine]

we don't have the population to throw tantrums like pallies dks and mages can

[vestal sphinx]

Guys pls tell me, is Haste not prio anymore?!

sub rogue ^^

[alpine wraith]

it is prio up to a point

then you go mastery/crit

[vestal sphinx]

up to what point

what percentage

[wintry heart]

18% I think

[vestal sphinx]

u sure?

cuz on murlock

mastery is prio again

:/

[lucid jackal]

U need 700 haste or the spec doesn't work

Nothing less

Get around there and then stack mastery/crit

[wintry heart]

Excuse my ignorance but tf is Murlock

[supple barn]

murlok.io is a pvp site

[stuck tulip]

murlok.io

[shrewd lantern]

im pretty sure pvp is more feelycraft

[stuck arrow]

I mean not even feely crafty. To a certain degree burst is more important in pvp than total damage. Idk.

Seems reasonable to have different stat priorities.

[shrewd lantern]

i think its still technically disputed which is better there

[weak glade]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stuck arrow]

I think in pve we'd want less haste if damage over 10s was our goal, too.

[wintry heart]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[shrewd lantern]

its kind of why they call any comp more overall damage oriented

"pve comps"

[hazy breach]

And theres a reason why were recommending the haste in rating and not percentages

[edgy star]

Is there a tactic for using the algeth trinket? I assume don't use in combat but use on pull?

[hazy breach]

Since deepening shadows only benefit from haste rating, ie stats on gear, not stuff like BL, racial passives and BL

[alpine wraith]

you use it after strike

[shrewd lantern]

press it before your cds are blown

[hazy breach]

Use it right before blades

Ofc you use it during combat, you dont want it to sit unused for like 8 minutes

[shrewd lantern]

its honestly not that bad at all for sub

you dont do damage outside dances anyway

[swift tinsel]

nexus point ethereal side kinda spicy on a 10

not much else in the whole place really hurts that much

[vestal sphinx]

murlcok.io

[alpine wraith]

agrawaowaowa

[gritty gate]

Guys i want to ask something. Should I use Secret Technique right after Shadow Dance, or should I use Shadow Dance + Shadow Blades before Secret Technique?

[jagged hazel]

Got a hero tier piece in vault, would it be worth to use catalyst charge now so i can have 2pc? Just curious if there’s any benefit to waiting for more set pieces before using catalyst charges

[vestal sphinx]

how much percentage in haste am i going for?

someone said 700 haste

[wintry heart]

POG

[shrewd lantern]

in b4 lfr

[frail bone]

@jagged hazel That would depend on your guild, the piece in question how far your guild has got into heroic. If you haven't clear or progressed that far then maybe.

[stuck arrow]

It's always troll to use catalysts before they guarantee 4 PC.

[vestal sphinx]

how much percentage in haste am i going for?

[spare bobcat]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mortal skiff]

18

[stuck arrow]

Guy already answered your question. % doesn't matter. Need 650 to 700 rating depending on latency.

[chrome quiver]

council is unplayable as sub - wtf

feels like a law angle

[vale pine]

if he wants to go with %, its around 18%

so around or slightly above 18%

[wanton mantle]

Thats pre buff right

[vale pine]

but rating is better, as you can have a finer scale

[mortal skiff]

i guess 3% wont make it there

[stuck arrow]

Also less troll from stuff like racials.

[mortal skiff]

but atleast the spec feels fun in m+

[jagged hazel]

guildless...only really do m+ with irls

[loud wharf]

Holy shit, what happened to trinkets.

[frail bone]

Yeah it would depend on how much you raids. The decision is your to make. 2 piece is going to better then no tier if your pushing m+. You can unlock more cata charges if your get to a certain up I think.

[loud wharf]

List was updated today

[shrewd lantern]

stop looking at generic lists

just run topgear

[hazy breach]

Idk, what happened to trinkets

[jagged hazel]

gotcha tyvm

[stuck arrow]

Idk man.. Don't use your catalyst (s) until it guarantees 4 PC.

[frail bone]

He isn't raiding though he just said. So if he is pushing m+ early it's a boost to his team of irl friends that play with him..

[loud wharf]

Trust I sim plenty. lots of trinkets were shifted on the generic list and thought it was interesting.

[frail bone]

But there is the chance to duplicate vault tier pieces next week

[sullen spruce]

this dropped for me and someone wants me to sell it for 300k

should i accpet ?

[short radish]

gear is temporary, gold is eternal

[shrewd lantern]

at champ probably

[short radish]

also do what you want, it's your life

[alpine wraith]

depends do you have 1 million gold

or 20k

[sullen spruce]

im a jew

[amber radish]

why do i keep simming higher below the haste breakpoint?

[sullen spruce]

so i like gold

[short radish]

same brother

i'd sell

[alpine wraith]

tell him 500k

[keen dome]

Ask for more

[short radish]

^

[fallow glade]

the bot assumes you hit every gcd perfectly with no lag

[loud wharf]

300k is more than a wow token right now.

[alpine wraith]

say someone offered 400k

[sullen spruce]

alr thnx

[loud wharf]

Someone just offered you more than $20 for that trinket

[keen dome]

And they can offer more

[shrewd lantern]

champ is barely better than crucible trinket

lul

[frail bone]

Plus you can make that back very easily in farming mats at this point

[amber radish]

Is there a way to sim with that in mind?

[shrewd lantern]

didnt alnseer eat a nerf

right before the tier

[wintry heart]

Anyone know why my Sdance Secret tec macro works sometimes but other times it doesnt

[short radish]

i'd sell anything not tier and guidon

[hazy breach]

2 actually. So now its only like 0.5-1% better than the next trinket instead of like 8%

[fallow glade]

i actually don't know

[hazy breach]

You are probably pressing it in the middle of a global

[wintry heart]

hmmm I thought I watched it closely enough but maybe I was still in that global

[shrewd lantern]

yeah at champ trinket defo not worth over gold imo

[hazy breach]

Not really unfortunately, but just toss some extra haste on afterwards

[wintry heart]

Guidon/Puzzle box are my best trinkets rn but man I hatre puzzle box

[shrewd lantern]

i'd hate puzzlebox more if we did damage outside dances

[hazy breach]

Both of them? Probably better to get the renown trinket

[shrewd lantern]

our dk got guidon so i might be only real contention for guidon

[wintry heart]

Yes they both aim highest

Is renown trinket easy to upgrade I haven’t done that at all yet

[hazy breach]

Yes

Insanely easy

[shrewd lantern]

yeah it was the weeklies

during preseason

[hazy breach]

Just sit afk in the storm event

[wintry heart]

So what I already do lol

[hazy breach]

But you probably need to do the quests to unlock the upgrade thing

Im sure wowhead has a guide for it somewhere

[hushed roost]

ha s anyone with 4 piece gotten an extra unlimited catalyst yet?

[twin quartz]

Anyone know more about this? Thinking about delaying my myth craft until maybe a wowhead post pops up this evening confirming it’s not fixed https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/recraft-bug/2276451

[shrewd lantern]

im delaying mine because im getting vorasius weapon on mythic

[white tapir]

I gotta say, after the buff to rogues, and getting 2p, I am feeling a lot less like an npc, and an actual player

[alpine wraith]

seems to be a punishment for crafting an hc crest weapon

even blizz is like NO WAY ANOTHER KEKW

[twin quartz]

Fair punishment

[alpine wraith]

krangle his CRAFT

[alpine wraith]

then point and laugh

[pulsar hemlock]

Oh boi we made it

[alpine wraith]

big W

[loud wharf]

Guidon is big for rogue

[twin quartz]

How does one pronounce guidon. I’m saying “gweedon”

[loud wharf]

So is tier helm. But I would snag trinket

Gai - Daan

Or like Guide-On

[strange chasm]

uh oh my sin sims the same as my sub rogue

its over for sub

[wide karma]

So did the tuning changes for Backstab/Gloomblade increased by 20% still make Gloomblade not the option to go with? Could anyone explain to me as to why?

[loud wharf]

What/how are you simming both?

[warm marlin]

i think its a french word and its hard to write exactly how to say it in the accent

[plain creek]

do one on sub and one on sin?

[keen dome]

Call it the go fast flag

[vestal sphinx]

whats latency?

[twin quartz]

So maybe ‘gweedoh’

[warm marlin]

but ive been ripping the guide on disapponting all my immersion teachers

[loud wharf]

naturally.

[jade oasis]

am i able to get 2 techs in shadow blades without set?

[stuck arrow]

Gloomblade a wasted talent because it only does damage outside of dance. Inside dance we get more damage and get to use better abilities.

Buffing backstab is less good than buffing shadowstrike, which is multiplicative with the dance stats.

[warm marlin]

ghi-dohn is maybe the best way to write the french way to say it idk

[hazy breach]

Only during lust

[jade oasis]

ok

i thought i was giga bad

[warm marlin]

soft g

[twin quartz]

Okay okay

[wide karma]

@stuck arrow Do you think it will have a use say paired with the Shadow damage ring 2pce, Alleria shadow damage neck, and Dark Brew talent?

[pulsar hemlock]

It's Guidon bis for m+ as well or puzzle box?

[stuck arrow]

I mean there's a use. It's just mathematically way worse than everything else.

[wintry heart]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[wide karma]

@stuck arrow I feel that... tho the dream of having a cool shadow dmg stacking build would be pretty neato. Thanks for the replies, cheers!

[gritty gate]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[shrewd lantern]

the ring barely do shit

[hazy breach]

Dark brew does not increase the damage of those effects

[shrewd lantern]

its a case of something>nothing

[hazy breach]

Almost all talents/class effects only work on class stuff

And if they work on items its considered a bug

[wide karma]

@hazy breach Does the poisions being shadow damage not proc the Alerria neck?

[hazy breach]

Well yes, but it wont proc more often as we are already doing shadow damage

[wide karma]

@hazy breach Seems like it could be a future niche... or not and the tuning just isnt ever there

[hazy breach]

What

We already do shadow damage, so we proc the neck as much as possible already

But yes the neck and the ring set are both good

[vestal sphinx]

should it be 650-700 in pvp stats or like not when im in pvp. U know what i mean? like when i go into pvp all the stats spike

[shrewd lantern]

They're just good because free damage

is free damage

[faint hearth]

Hi i'm looking for help if a sub could have a minute to talk with me

[stuck arrow]

Idk. Not sure that break point is relevant in pvp.

[elfin hound]

is 668haste enough + phoenix oil?

[weak vector]

Are we saving champ crests, or good to use on gear if they're BIS?

er, Hero sorry

[elfin hound]

send

[weak vector]

@elfin hound meant to say hero crests

[rain kernel]

What buff are we taking now in algethars?

[twin quartz]

I’d take mastery or crit

[rain kernel]

ty

[elfin hound]

Before entering Mythic, upgrade the following 3/6 hero track items to 6/6 - chest, pants, helm, 1 ring, 1 trinket. This should take 300/320 hero crests. Save the last 20 Hero crests in case you get a myth 1/6 item that you need to upgrade to 2/6 first. This gives you the largest power spike possible heading into your first week of mythic while still giving you an opportunity to save on crests in other slots

[weak vector]

Awesome reply, thanks for this

[hazy breach]

Vers is slightly better

[brazen stone]

what pieces do i wanna tier for sub rogue? everything except legs?

[hazy breach]

But generally as long as you dont pick haste its fine

[hazy breach]

Just get tier asap

But yes the bis profile does not have legs

[real panther]

3rd group i got call out on cosmos p2 because dps goes from 200k p1 to 60-70 p2.. I don't know what to do. if blizzard don't want us to play rogue, they could just send a mail, it's easier nah?

[raven maple]

What do yall use to track trinket cooldowns?

[real panther]

bartender

[solar mural]

!sim

how do we sim ourselves? 1 boss 5 min and 5 bosses 5 min or 5 bosses 40s?

[raven maple]

I have bartender too. Where do I enable that?

[pulsar hemlock]

Do we want the haste trinket for AoE as well?

[cosmic ermine]

SimulationCraft add-in, /simc in game copy and past to raidbots.com

[spare totem]

I cannot get lights potential to be used in a macro for some reason.
#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/use item:241308
/use 13
/use 14

[solar mural]

ik ik i meant the settings on the raidsbots

[stuck arrow]

I think you need a caps in item, iirc

[elfin hound]

@hazy breach does the haste breapoint of 684-700 include phoenix oil on weapon, or is 668 base haste + 2x oil good to go?

[crystal spear]

Is deepening shadows worth taking if I don't have enough haste for it to extende dance by 1 second?

[cosmic ermine]

what are you wanting to sim? gear? stats?

[hazy breach]

Oils give haste

[solar mural]

top gear for both single target and m+

[hazy breach]

So it would be 700 with oils

[lilac stag]

we still dooming?

[cosmic ermine]

select Top Gear on the site and select the gear you have in inventory to compare, if you wanna find the BiS gear youd use Droptimizer or just follow Icy-Veins/WoWHead gear guide

[gritty gate]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[solar mural]

thank you but i know that 😄 its just that afaik many different classes use different settings for simming

[vestal sphinx]

ok ty

[solar mural]

for example for mages dungeon slice is really bad so they do 5 bosses 5 min for AoE sim

[lusty solar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[solar mural]

and was wondering if sub is one of those

[lilac stag]

no. We’re ethical simmers

all rogues are

[full spade]

for ancient arts apex optimization, is it saying all 4 of those qualifiers need to be true? or any of the 4? seems like the easiest thought is supercharged yes or no, then techniques yes or no and you shadow strike

[hazy breach]

All

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[dense mountain]

@hazy breach is it really correct to hold the 2nd dance in shadowblades for sectec to come off of CD? it feels so wrong wasting those globals

[hazy breach]

You dont waste that many globals

Like 7 gcds in dance > 7 gcds in dance > 6 gcds outside dance is the same as 7 gcds in dance > 6 gcds outside > 7 gcds inside dance

Now obviously like 2 of those dance globals end up outside blades, but sectech does big damage

And if you dont do this, you will need to hold sectech later on

[dense mountain]

okay thanks for explaining ❤️

maybe just takes some time getting used to

[kind edge]

is there any way to see what % we do as physical and magic damage ? i miss old details

[hazy breach]

50/50 roughly

[kind edge]

thx eleem

[real panther]

I gave you 2ids, one is rank1 of potential the other is rank2, simply put both lines so you are clean

you can also shift click the item when your typing cursor is in the macro (you start typing /use, hit space and then hit shift+click on your item in your bags)

[foggy egret]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[real panther]

you chose a bar you don't use (me i use 8) you set it big and with only 1 button. Put your trinket in there and when it's done, go at the end of the general tab of the bar you chosed and you will find a "click through" tick box, tick it and voila

[stuck tulip]

the +10 seems so easy this season, no?

[lucid jackal]

yeh

[real panther]

its in french but you can copy that @raven maple

[raven maple]

Thankj you

[wintry heart]

Is this new info

[hazy breach]

Its only a thing if you have guidon+4p

[spare totem]

I’ll try that now

[latent finch]

If you dont have both you just send the second dance with no sectech instantly after the first one ends?

[hazy breach]

Ye you just send immediately

[wispy pebble]

Do those work for fleeting as well?

[real panther]

do my thing with shift click or simply use the correct id I gave you

[real panther]

fleeting?

[wispy pebble]

The ones from cauldron

[radiant swift]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[wispy pebble]

Probably different id 🤔

[real panther]

item is a shortcut for item name, it works with every items

[warm marlin]

yes they do

[real panther]

if you need to know ids of item quick, you can use my micro addon tooltipGCD, it contains an item id feature that shows in tooltip

[wispy pebble]

Nice. Will do tmrw and give me a macro that does all 3 pots. Don't wanna keep dragging them in and out 😂

[radiant swift]

does anyone know how frequent the cata charges drop, when 4p aquired?

[lofty tundra]

Am I good to use wrist for the embelishemnt over the belt?

[short vessel]

Is it recommended to 2x daggers as crafted or 1x dagger and low stat item w / arcanoweave? Wowhead recommendes the latter, but archon shows most sub rogues goes for 2x daggers.

[hazy breach]

the latter

Offhand is a pointless craft

As its the worst slot

[short vessel]

Aight, crafting belt then

[south pelican]

Can get 659 haste with flask, is this enough? or should I just mastery flask

trickster

[lucid jackal]

Need min 700

[brazen stone]

did u guys upgrade your dagger and belt with myth crests?

[rich canopy]

Why is my vault all trinkets

[brazen stone]

should i do that

[swift tinsel]

love2seeit from the weekly

legit cannot miss today

[radiant swift]

how do u sim this properly with the haste values needed? bot keeps telling me to go crit

[rich canopy]

Is anyone else's SecTec not showing its cooldown?

[swift tinsel]

yeah mine wasn't until like 5 mins ago

[rich canopy]

I think it's not showing during Shadow Dance?

[still gazelle]

Are keys cooked? They seem way too easy.

[swift tinsel]

ye they are

[radiant swift]

is this with or without guidon? just baseline 700 haste approx?

[rich canopy]

This is unplayable, is there any way to fix the cooldown bug?

[still gazelle]

I only have like 614, but I have the heroic trinket maxed out

[wintry heart]

Oh so I’m 4 pieces of tier shirt LOL

[still gazelle]

I have guidon but no 4pc and it feels like only during lust does the 2nd Sectec come up during blades.

So I guess with four piece I would hold that second Shadow dance for the next secret technique?

When not in lust*

[lucid jackal]

before buffs

Like U need to be sitting at least 700

with flask, without flask

U just need to be at 700

[weak vector]

Damn. Meanwhile I lost every roll on all raid lockouts and am where I started. lol

fuck it, gonna blow my crests so this week isn't a wash

[radiant swift]

and how do i distribute the other stats bcs robot doesnt do this

mastery and then crit?

[lucid jackal]

700 gives u leeway with latency

But yeah

[strange chasm]

Sin is looking pre good now

[lucid jackal]

Other than that just spam crit/mastery

[strange chasm]

i mean compared to the 3 rogue specs

[radiant swift]

got it chief

ty

[lucid jackal]

So like I was looking at individual boss logs and like, they were both very close on boss damage

And these sub rogues had tier already, so did the sins

and then sin got a bigger buff

Other than wanting 1:30 vs 2 on alleria, feels like a very good sin tier

[strange chasm]

yeah and sin cleave is better no

[lucid jackal]

yep

[strange chasm]

i tihnk its just better now than sub

[lucid jackal]

I agree!

[verbal kelp]

But sub is better in m+ right?

[west tide]

@obsidian dew big bro in your big guide i dont see anything about mythic crests if u crafted a 1h can i use/shoudl i use another 80 to upgrade my belt or naw

[stuck arrow]

Guidon or Tier? Hmm.

[bleak night]

[obsidian dew]

yes, recraft for

bis screenshots

you're good

[west tide]

ohh sorry i mean after that

[west tide]

lkie i already spent 80 on my dagger should i just sned 80 on my belt rn or chill

[obsidian dew]

oh

that I always tell people to ask their class discord, i dont advise beyond first craft

i dont play rogue

idk if belt is good

but

crest wise, belt is okay

[west tide]

ill wait until after like first 3 mythic i suppose

and if nothing else just send it before a harder boss

[radiant swift]

how can u do ?? as rogue

valeria tank dies even faster than as heal

can evasion into rez once but with first adds its super hard

[stuck dune]

Should I take heroic gaze trinket or heroic tier

[lucid jackal]

use elusiveness, stagger and maintain 4 heal orb stacks

have valera leveled

[radiant swift]

what lvl did u have her? she dies on me instantly and boss sometimes just meeles me trough evasion

[lucid jackal]

She was like 30 or smthing for me

U dont need to tricks it to her really

U should be able to just tank the boss

Use numbing poison as well

[radiant swift]

what

the boss 3 hits me

[lucid jackal]

The healing orbs heal u infinite

U just stagger and maintain 4 healing orb stacks

stay in the green circle she makes

[radiant swift]

i see so i just grab the orbs as they spawn

tyvm

[lucid jackal]

No

U stagger them

Grab them in between hits

and maintain 4 stacks of the buff

[left ledge]

anyone know of any addon or way to track trinket buffs

[lucid jackal]

better cdm I think

[left ledge]

ty ill try that

[still gazelle]

Is Crucinle better than my soul jar?

Crucible**

[random mason]

Sim it

[upbeat cradle]

Unless you have bionic eyes, pretty sure almost every trinket is better than soul jar

[mellow smelt]

any working interrupt trackers that yall know of yet?

[wraith dawn]

do we puzzlebox prepull?

[left ledge]

think this only enables trinket cds which is still useful to me

but is there no way to track the actual buff?

[hazy breach]

You can, but its the same as doing it after strike

[left ledge]

like i pop flag, how do i see the buff for example

[bleak night]

flag

[left ledge]

guidon

w/e man

[fossil holly]

for vault i should prioritize tier set over higher ilvl pieces right

[left ledge]

does anyone on this planet have an answer

[bleak night]

as far as i know the answer is you dont get to see it

[left ledge]

holy shit

[bleak night]

ive seen cdm addons add the trinkets themselves but not buffs from them

[left ledge]

then why the fk do they have random proc buff trinkets in the game

thing is

its in the buffs bar

they really made it impossible

[vestal relic]

acdm

custom buff

add buff id

not sure but its supposed to work

[swift tinsel]

Arc can make buffs based on spellID

You just have to deal with working with arc ui lol

[left ledge]

maybe i need to try this one out finally

idk

[limpid hemlock]

How many target do we need before we use black powder?

[grim prism]

so like

is my main goal as sub rogue to just spam shadow strike on a single target (assuming I already use secret technique)

also how cooked am I

[solemn crest]

ur level 85 so don't even worry about ur stats

[zenith hollow]

does the opener change with 4p at all?

[winged shore]

no, you just get a longer blades, can fit a 2nd sectec

[wispy pebble]

Well if you want to count the second SD as opener then i think you delay sd for sectec

[olive citrus]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[mild carbon]

any insight on what ishould pick?

[dense geode]

that

neck

[mild carbon]

oki

[weak vector]

take the 6x tokens

[mild carbon]

how do i do that?

[weak vector]

im joking

take the neck

[shrewd lantern]

hmm do i send hc crests on vora weapon

[weary cedar]

!fuu

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[waxen hawk]

Hey guys

[wanton mantle]

so raid has like 300 ping and my damage turned to ass, finally figured out my macro'd secret tech was going off before the game would register the shadow dance buff. I love the race to world first!

[waxen hawk]

Coming from outlaw

Lets play sub since outlaw is the worst dps of the game

[lucid jackal]

When are u gonna do it

Uve been talking about rerolling for a week

[waxen hawk]

Im from eu

Tomorrow with reset

[azure thicket]

hey real quick how do you use guidon?

[zenith hollow]

on cd with blades id think

[azure thicket]

same as puzzle box and if u have puzzle which first?

i guess puzzle on lust and then use it before blades outside to get uptime

[small helm]

I kinda wanna puzzle on pull timer 3 lol

then do the normal rotation

but that's probably wrong

[gentle sonnet]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[hazy breach]

Don't use both, get the renown trinket as a passive instead

[small helm]

we don't use puzzlebox on CD?

hold for cds?

[young heart]

!sheet

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[late vine]

these keys are mad free huh

[azure thicket]

is there anything i need to do for the renoun trinket to optimize it?

[pearl swan]

!fuu

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[lucid jackal]

just do the RP to level itup

[azure thicket]

ye im missing the 3rd upgrade outta time though

thanks

also got vessel of tortured souls sounds interesting

[prime beacon]

aanyone else absolutely blasting tonight?

[west tide]

man not getting the guidon workin feels so bad

[wanton mantle]

i was till the lag hit lol

[plush roost]

!

Sub sneaky good

[shell jewel]

sub on top!

[plush roost]

Boss damage monster!?

[shell jewel]

crucible secret sauce!

did you go do the weekly asap to fill out the research tree thingie?

[brisk onyx]

Ye it gives a mount from the capstone

[shell jewel]

oh cute!

[strange chasm]

wait till you play sin

its even better!

[weak glade]

got 4piece and guidon trinket today

life is peak

[tribal blade]

oh wow my parses are insane now with 4pc and myth dagger who could have guessed

[long marlin]

can u hit the adds on dragon fight without switching targets

or do u need to get off the dragon and target them

[tribal blade]

it's not optimal but yes

i just do it to not have to constantly target switch

[swift tinsel]

dude I cannot get tier to save my life

my plan did not manifest

[outer orchid]

guys how big of an optimization is it to do 2 st in sb?
it feels kind of awkward to line up just sitting in no dance during sb

[potent heath]

omg sub meta ?

[swift tinsel]

myth dagger though is truckin

I'm diggin that

[outer orchid]

did they fix the bug with recrafting??

[swift tinsel]

what bug

[raven maple]

Did someone mention Guideon cant be macrod?

[outer orchid]

allegedly there's a bug where sometimes when you recraft with myth crests it consumes your crests and doesnt upgrade your weapon

[swift tinsel]

oh idk hadn't heard of that one

[weak vector]

same. im still 1/4... about to just cat the 2nd piece, fuck it.

[swift tinsel]

I'm still 0/4 lol

[weak vector]

oof

[swift tinsel]

but I'm gonna get ksm cata charge after raid

and I still have to do lfr

[weak vector]

LFR + Normal done on everything so far and lost all my rolls

[tribal blade]

lol nah

[weak vector]

haha

I know the general idea is to cata once you have 4 piece, but rogue is so gear dependant its ridiculous. I'd rather blow a charge now to get the 2pc

[swift tinsel]

i'm still gonna sit on charges til I get 2 natty tier

[tribal blade]

that's dangerous

[late vine]

forgemaster garfrost glacial overlord is in fact not cloackable

[swift tinsel]

but just annoyed atm with gear from raid

one piece between two clears

[weak vector]

I mean, I can just not upgrade/touch my gear and not get invited to groups because everyone else is 260+

haha

I find its easy to fall behind and get stuck

[swift tinsel]

we get another charge next week and I'll literally just need one piece and I'm pretty much guaranteed it from LC

since no one can roll on 2nd tier from raid if not everyone has tier

[short radish]

abuse early and abuse often

[swift tinsel]

ye I nabbed alleria neck from that

[short radish]

nah look where that trinket is from

[spice matrix]

Chefs Kiss

[short radish]

gzgzgz

[sweet heron]

So are people crafting their mythic daggers?

[swift tinsel]

also sectech broke in cdm again so I have a 6-button action bar with just sectech on it near the middleof my screen

janky shit

[brisk onyx]

!fuu

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[rich canopy]

Black Powder or Finality for Vorasius?

[tribal blade]

NOT THIS GUY AGAIN

[short radish]

he's back 🙂

[tribal blade]

also 4 set and dagger

is biggus chungus

[short radish]

hrrrr

do i send

the weap craft

[tribal blade]

hell yeah

[short radish]

yeah i think i do

i'll do it after this key

[tribal blade]

the only way you get cucked

is if 2 myth daggers drop off 2nd boss

but that's not happening unless you're stealthi

[short radish]

surv needs them or something

[tribal blade]

lol

fuck em

also who the hell is playing surv

when MM exists rn

[primal zephyr]

if ur playing surv and ratting loot from ur rogue youre griefing

and like graham said mm is thanos rn

[lilac stag]

You did what now?

[short radish]

i got boots 🙁

[weak vector]

How many bountifuls did it take before you got the map?

[lilac stag]

We have 12 leather. Zero leather tokens. Holy fuck

[short radish]

do weekly prey quest

[short radish]

but yeah cache is dropping stuff from new raid (not out)

[weak vector]

I did, I never got a 263

😐

[lilac stag]

Which cache?

[short radish]

it drops the stone to summon nullus

which gives you the map

[short radish]

weekly champ

[bitter flax]

does it matter what enchant goes on what weapon?

[weak vector]

ohhhh... welp.

[sharp bison]

when watching people stream the game, what is the black spell alert im seeing on sub rogues? is that for the apex talent? im not 90 yet and i dont see that spell alert proccing

[weak vector]

I only have 1 bountiful delve left. If I get the map in that delve, can I activate it and get it in the same delve?

[swift tinsel]

they reset daily

and yes you can use it that delve

as long as its before you fight/kill the boss

[warm marlin]

yes its lvl 90 apex

[weak vector]

Awesome, thanks. Is it worth doing 11's right now anyway?

[charred rock]

only really worth doing 11s if you got to rank 4 to get myth crests from the weekly gilded or need like champ gear and etc stuff. they are pretty decent.

[swift tinsel]

not til you unlock delvers' journey level 4

[silk kayak]

can I macro guidon into shadowblades and pretty safely get the extension, or is this legit going to need to be another bind entirely because of the refresh rate?

[rain stratus]

What weekly? Just the keys or?

[lucid jackal]

[zealous vine]

any ideas what to use spark with if i crafted 1h sword previously? Hold for next week for dagger or craft wrist/fingerr this week?

[warm marlin]

im pretty sure you have used all your luck for the rest of the tier

its straight 3x vers rings in vault every week for you bud

[rich canopy]

Is there some scenario other than Blades coming up soon that you hold SecTec?

[zealous vine]

why does r1 rogue enter dance with dance storm on pure ST target?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[rich canopy]

Actually I don't understand, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ab6BypXRz723DnFh?fight=9&type=damage-done&source=85 why is the other Rogue's Eviscerate max >100k vs. mine being 80k?

There's no huge difference in gear

[frigid dragon]

How do you know when you are good to dance with the Ancient Art thing? I have it tracked on my CDM but not sure what it is supposed to look like when it is ready to go?

[short radish]

weekly quest

[hard trellis]

i believe rogue may be the worst class in the game

[lucid jackal]

that or DPS shaman

[hard trellis]

perhaps a closure of said discord could be the play

[torn tide]

silence doomer

[west tide]

we up

[chrome palm]

It’s not even close for sure

[lilac kestrel]

!bis

[vestal sphinx]

Guys, so far ive been told that i need atleast 650-700 haste, But some pros ignore that and build full Mastery. Im not sure what to do as i have crafted both embelishments with haste, i dont know how to move forward can anyone clear things out please ?

[tulip light]

Get 700 haste.

[vestal sphinx]

and then ?

[vestal sphinx]

what percentage is that, and also do i count it from when im IN THE ARENA (pvp stats) or out ?

[hazy breach]

Well idk pvp is different

[jaunty heath]

gloom enjoyer broke sandbag embargo alert

@left ledge

[valid yoke]

any NA Andy's feeling out the buff? any impact?

[warm marlin]

ask in pvp we dont know

[chrome palm]

i still need to scroll on details

[valid yoke]

fair

[green blade]

!fuu

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[tulip light]

This is pve related in here

[wanton violet]

On the light trio boss in voidspire are you guys running aoe or St build,

The fight only has small windows where you are doing AOE, and the ST would be great for the shield break

[vestal sphinx]

My bad guys

[swift tinsel]

dang the ksm mount highkey owns

[alpine wraith]

ok guys eu servers are cooked

send help

[sick arrow]

How much haste should i be shotting for? 620 or 680?

[alpine wraith]

680-700