subtlety

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[daring pike]

if that s your actual macro your potion is written correctly, and you should ctrl left click it into the macro

[subtle jay]

it's not called fleeting light's potential xd

just use item's id

[main flower]

it is

[neat whale]

then why am i doing 15-30k more dps than the sim in opener?

[main flower]

and it worked with spell item id 🙂

[subtle jay]

it's not?

/use item:241308
/use item:241309

1st one for t2 pot

2nd one for t1 pot

[main flower]

it is 😄

[deft oar]

the one from cauldron has fleeting in the name

[subtle jay]

the hell

[random mason]

because you're not taking the average from like 1k tries

[main flower]

exact

[tribal vortex]

You don't have caps

the first letters of the words

it's Fleeting not fleeting

[main flower]

does that realy makes a diffrence?

wild

[tribal vortex]

ofc

[hazy breach]

Again the sim aint optimized for 16-24 second fights

[main flower]

i guess that was the mistake then, thanks 🙂

[daring pike]

how important is this optimization? in %?

[hazy breach]

The sim delays its second dance a bit to supercharge the sectech with 4p+guidon, because if you dont then your sectech timing gets screwed later

But yeah on a 16 second fight its not ideal to do that

[frosty sinew]

sim does it even without 4p

[dreamy stump]

hey guys, quick question, as deathstalker during SD, do we optimize the apex only for darkest nigh, or optimize it with every evisc ?

[frosty sinew]

just guidon

[hazy breach]

Yeah

[hazy breach]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[dreamy stump]

i read it 100 times here and never noticed the "do you have darkest night" 😭

sorry for the question and thank for the answer lmao

[subtle jay]

oh shit, i forgot about existence of potions from the pot

my bad

ids for them are
/use item:245898
/use item:245897
just in case

[raw wadi]

@vale pine do you have the string for custom simc for the vessel trinket? (buff uptime) or is there any way to sim it below 80% uptime

[next nymph]

Anyone willing to look over my logs? I’m new to sub rogue myself and just want to get better

[main flower]

it works, thanks! 🙂

[minor finch]

Anyone know if the shadow damage triggers the magic vuln from Demon Hunters ? Got one as my tank and just interested

[hazy breach]

Yes shadow damage gets increased by the DH debuff

[minor finch]

In general does anything that is not strictly physical get buffed ? Like Nature damage from Ass poisons ?

[azure mauve]

yes

anything that is not physical aka magic dmg gets buffed by dh buff

[stuck arrow]

Puzzle box probably not.

Other trinkets fine unless it's a haste buff then you want to have that go before you send dance.

[subtle jay]

u're absolutely welcome

[fading saffron]

i thought the idea is to NOT macro haste trinkets with dance/sectec, because of how long it takes for the game to do the check for deepening shadows? since it takes like a full 1 sec to do so

[stuck arrow]

Correct.

[tribal vortex]

you can macro to blades though

and press dance one sec after

[faint hemlock]

Do we have Sims with the rogue buffs?

!Sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worldly hinge]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[stuck arrow]

Eh, I would tend to not. But DPS loss likely minor. I'd keep blades macro'd to dance.

[tribal vortex]

Yeah I don't like that macro but probably not a big difference

[stuck arrow]

I mean an extra gcd of blades. It's not nothing.

@fuu in-game it says mythic crests on M+10 not +7. Do we know which is right?

[frosty sinew]

it's +9

unless it was changed the past few days

[tropic pier]

why are the blizzard sound alerts all so long or weird/noisy

[tribal vortex]

you lose a sec of guidon though not sure which is worse maybe @hazy breach can shed light

[tropic pier]

i just want a simple blip when my ancient arts procs

fast short sound

[frosty sinew]

you need to use guidon a second early anyways

to guarantee the extra dance duration

[hazy breach]

Bug is stinky

[tribal vortex]

I don't think anyone knows. Half are saying 7s and the other half 9s

[frosty sinew]

wowhead has a post that says +9

ill trust that over random people

[tribal vortex]

not random people the in game

it's blizzard 😂

[frosty sinew]

same thing!

wouldn't surprise me if they've changed it

[tribal vortex]

so use macro for blades sd st and press guidon before?

[frosty sinew]

ye

[tribal vortex]

No I think it is wrongly datamined. Beta also showed 7's iirc

[fierce wing]

Hey quick question, ran sims before raid last week and Alnseer was only showing as a 1k dps increase. Ran sims today in prep for tomorrow and it's now showing a 7.2k increase. I had 2 pc during the first sim as well as the same embellishments, but clearly between my other upgrades and now it's gained a ton of a value. Is that the general sentiment for the trinket or am I missing something?

[gleaming plank]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frosty sinew]

gaze is bugged in game to do more dmg and sim now reflects that is the tldr

pretty sure

[stuck arrow]

Yes. Whether it stays that way.... Who knows. 😂

[fierce wing]

It does no direct damage though right? It's just stats

[gritty gate]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[gritty gate]

guys If it's for single target, why would I want to use Black Powder after Coup de Grace?

[frosty sinew]

ye it is supposed to have an icd on proccing the trinket

but it doesn't

in game

[tulip light]

do i insta send heroic crests on end boss pants (heroic)

[stuck arrow]

You don't. Macro uses bp unless coup is available and then it uses coup.

[frosty sinew]

honestly it's probably fine you will be upgrading them anyways before you mythic raid

if following larias guide atleast

[karmic harbor]

did anyone here use hero crests for a 276 weapon

the dmg check on crown is insane

[upper salmon]

Anyone find a particularly good plater profile for M+?

[azure mauve]

prob the wrong play but i just prepull that trinket

puzzlebox, stealth, opener

[strange chasm]

Was there a way to remove the black bar for the apex talent from showing?

[azure mauve]

search for alert spell opacity in interface settings

set it to 0

[strange chasm]

Bless

[slate nest]

why would you want it off tho?

I feel like it is the best indicator we have for shadow technique

[lilac stag]

cdm and sht stack tell you without the blob on the screen

[slate nest]

I mean for each their own, I like the black cloud effect

[rich hornet]

idk if i'm acctualy stupid but why i dont deal dmg i dont get it....

[lilac stag]

You may want to rephrase that

and quickly

[rich hornet]

like that ?^

[lilac stag]

better life choices were made

[radiant swift]

is this a range problem ? macro not going off properly even tho no gcd and energy pooled - or is there somenthing else that could be

[hazy breach]

Probably out of range yes

[random mason]

Youre missing secret technique casts

[gritty gate]

I want to ask something. Should I use Secret Technique right after Shadow Dance, or should I use Shadow Dance + Shadow Blades before Secret Technique?

[random mason]

30 shadow dances 23 sectecs

[stuck tulip]

We recraft dagger with myth crests this reset right?

[tulip light]

yeah seems like no bad scenario. no way to get higher track heroic items and if u get a mythic piece from vauilt at some point you want to max out with heroic crests anyways to save 20 mythic etc. also if not lucky in vault the only upgrade is from mythic endboss so

[onyx flame]

That hurt

[random mason]

Yeah

[clever shale]

there is a bug with ancient art or am i trippin ? whenever i get the proc and enter shadow dance and press secret techeniqe or evicerate i dont regan my proc

[random mason]

Doesnt work with sectec

[bleak wind]

it does work with sectec, doesn't work when premed is up

[clever shale]

so this is a bug or what ?

[hazy breach]

Yep

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[hazy breach]

And if youre wondering how Sectech, which hits way harder than eviscerate, has its clone doing roughly the same damage as eviscerate, well thats another bug

[clever shale]

💔

[spice matrix]

[fallow ingot]

Anyone using UUF and can see Alleria P1 amp dmg debuff ?

[ember hound]

Eleem, isn't that bug super bad if you enter your second dance with a coup tho

[hazy breach]

Well theres nothing you can do about it in that situation

Like ye you could BP, but thats worse

[ember hound]

yeah thats exactly what i thought lol

damn that sucks

[random mason]

Just a feature of the spec

Business as usual

[dense geode]

Are we simming with latest

[lilac stag]

look at all these people expecting subtlety to not have bugs.

[paper tendon]

What happened to Vessel trinket, huh, it's now the worse simming one.. ?

[stuck arrow]

It was modified in apl to be less sim bait. Assumes you have less souls on average.

[paper tendon]

is that all? Can you override that easily?

[shrewd lantern]

is it even better than the renown trinket

[stuck arrow]

Not sure.

But I mean before it was 100% over simming.

[shrewd lantern]

that shit has like an 80% uptime

on its buff

[clever shale]

which ttrinket u are talking bout boies >\

[paper tendon]

Renown trinket currently outsims every other one, the 2nd in slot is puzzle box

[sour granite]

Stupid question but I did not find the information online after a quick search. When is the next bi-weekly catalyst charge? Is it on the upcoming reset (this week), or the next one?

[fair phoenix]

!a

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[stuck arrow]

You get one for M+ next week. I think it's like 2k io?

[sour granite]

I have the pvp one, was thinking of the one that is guaranteed every two weeks. Forgot when we got the first one. If it's this reset (tomorrow), I'll send my 3 piece now (since I'm guaranteed 4set on reset). But if it's next week, I'll hold off

[short radish]

you get another one in 2 more resets

[stuck arrow]

You should already have the first one.

[short radish]

but i'd hold until you can guarantee 4p

[stuck arrow]

Go to the capacitor quest.

[rich hornet]

but not only that the dmg is just too low

i've seen other rogues dealing double my eviscerate damage

[shrewd lantern]

2nd slot is guidon

[sour granite]

OK, thanks! For some reason I thought we got the first one two resets ago - so that it was time for another this reset. Then I'll wait for guaranteed 4set

[short radish]

negative

season "starts" this week

as in 6 days ago

[stuck arrow]

You should have got one baseline, then if you have one from pvp that's two. But yeah next one on the 31st iirc.

[short radish]

you should also be waiting to see what comes out of vault next week

if you get a piece of tier there

you can make 4 by catalysing the other pieces

[shrewd lantern]

yeah why i havent sent any cata

[haughty drum]

Is there a spot in the discord channels that show the bis trinket ranks currently instead of looking at wowhead (assuming they outdate)

[shrewd lantern]

"Bis trinket ranks" are irrelevant

if you dont have all the trinkets at mythic

[lilac dune]

just joined this disc. grey parse shitter who desperately needs to imrpve are there any must have macros?

[shrewd lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

how to find your best setup

[haughty drum]

Well simmed trink list is more what I’m referring too

[shrewd lantern]

literally just use raidbots

[dense geode]

How come when I sim with less than ideal haste it still wants me using Crit/mast. Is it because the sim doesnt calculate ping/1.2coup/etc?

[shrewd lantern]

bot plays perfect i think

[stuck arrow]

There's some factor in there for ping iirc.

[verbal kelp]

should we use coup de grace with supercharge in aoe or use BP?

[stuck arrow]

Coup pretty much always more damage than BP.

[outer orchid]

!u

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[shrewd lantern]

just slam

sometimes it happens

sometime it dont

[fallow nimbus]

It's so bad that first boss drops wrists. How can i justify crafting wrists now

It was always the best slot

[stuck arrow]

Could just craft without spark.

[fallow nimbus]

Will probably do that for m+ spam

[stuck arrow]

It's what I did. TBH might not even craft second slot next week. See how it goes.

I've got a ring with Iris on it, seems to sim really well. I don't think it scales as well as arcano, but seems not worth it for now to actually craft.

[lilac stag]

Iris is just ST

[shrewd lantern]

I have pvp wrists

[fallow nimbus]

Also a 2nd mythic craft is like so far in the future that a wrist with just spark+embellishment is the most gain/less stats lost compared belt or boots, cloak would work too

Also a socket from this week could go right onto it

[lilac stag]

Crests are a big limiter

[stuck arrow]

I mean yeah. But like ST damage is where I feel like we're kinda week anyway. Even after the nerfs.

Might change my mind once I start pulling m+.

[lilac stag]

embellishment ain’t gonna make that up

[fallow nimbus]

Yeah but running around with like 259 wrists vs 259 boots/belt hurt less

[young heart]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

No one really upgrading anything until you get 3/6 heroic out of m+

[fallow nimbus]

We probably get a free hc craft with story quests

[blazing yew]

What are the sub rogue embelishments for pvp? which pieces?

[still depot]

wrist/belt arcanoweave both

wait i meant feet/belt

woops

[lucid jackal]

Its crazy how rogue has only gotten worse

Ele getting a 10% buff, frost getting a buff

Rogue getting nothing, bottom 3

Its gonna be like

BM

ROGUE ROGUE ROGUE

[blazing yew]

lets shut the discord down

worked for the pinks

[hazy breach]

[short radish]

don't worry, sub 4p is basically a 10% buff so rogue is getting a 3% buff + 10% buff

[jaunty heath]

This guidon trinket start feeling like bait

[lucid jackal]

The thing is

If u look at WCL

the top 25 of every parse rn, has 4 piece

Like its not gonna jump that much I fear

[short radish]

nonono i believe in blizzards grand plan for balancing

they know more than we do

[uncut scarab]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[lucid jackal]

I'm just beyond stunned wtf rogue is suppose to do in this raid

Theres not even fights rogue solves

[jaunty heath]

With trinket you are at risk that will not haste your first dance, and more likely not last enough to extend second dance gg

[lucid jackal]

Just completely worthless

[agile kernel]

not get invited

[short radish]

nono we have a devo aura buff. they brought paladins for years because of devo aura

surely they also bring a mandatory rogue

[lucid jackal]

I mean they probs??? do but man

Its not even like, rogue is mid, but it solves something this expac

[hazy breach]

Well yeah but theres literally no other trinkets that doesnt suck

[lucid jackal]

Its just like, rogue is absolutely worthless

[hazy breach]

So

[agile kernel]

3% will surely change that

[short radish]

kill any burst profile, kill any shifting cd profile, give 6 other classes immunities

but dont worry we can shroud before the pull

[sturdy stratus]

It's less cringe now.

[jaunty heath]

Yeah it just make me sad, they removed buttons and now we have this instead. I dont even know what's correct play with the trinket

[random mason]

That smoke cloud thing will save us

Theyll bring us for more visual clutter

[hazy breach]

The smoke cloud thing is unironically pretty good, especially if we get an actual on-use

[short radish]

this is probably going to be misinformation so correct me on the first part if i'm wrong about it

Sub rogue didn't "scale" as well in stats as other classes (typically haste enjoyers)

you think that profile has changed at all?

[hazy breach]

Well we arent stacking vers

So yes, but it also doesnt matter that much

Theres not enough stat gains within a tier for that to really be impactful

[west tide]

we have dr poison

[jaunty heath]

Haste items dont simm well, because we keep 700 haste when robot wants 600ish 😄

[west tide]

they cant SIT ME

[hazy breach]

Idk sometimes it wants like 700

And i dont get it

[jaunty heath]

Does it

[naive zodiac]

ignore robot equip 700 haste

[hazy breach]

Ye zac had a profile the other day that ended up at like 680

[light finch]

dr poison only needed in world first content.

[hazy breach]

But yes exiles got it

[short radish]

im sure blizzard thought of a world where they'd bring 2 rogues so both poisons would be applied when they first thought of this

[hazy breach]

As long as you dont lose ilvl

Just get slightly more haste

[jaunty heath]

That's the way, but than loot sim like shit and I get none

[short radish]

just use haste flasks and shit

[light finch]

give rogue 3% crit buff and all is good

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/look-gif-5309304864779529325

[uncut scarab]

[short radish]

or 3% haste buff

shaman give mast
druid give vers
nothing gives crit/haste yet

pretty sure we used to have crit buff

once upon a time

[jaunty heath]

There is still time for little outlaw buff

[short radish]

honor amongst thieves or somethjing

[light finch]

before rogue gets anything, they will give DK haste or crit buff, because they only have grip, can ignore 70% of raid mechanics, why not a buff on top of that for one of their favorite classes

[short radish]

trueeeee

[lofty horizon]

Wasn't honor among thieves the combo point per crit in the raid.. good times.

[agile kernel]

Frankly if the %dr poison or mind numbing stacked with diminishing returns you would at least see 2-3 rogues instead of 1.

[short radish]

nobody tell him

[light finch]

but only for cutting edge progress, for > 200 World Guilds Damage Inc is not a Problem anymore because of Gear.

[agile kernel]

but raid viability has slightly different issues than m+ viability. The lack of utility outside shroud, which is countered by mob requirements, is the biggest issue.

[hazy breach]

It definitely is

Shroud isnt really countered by mob requirement

Its countered by every mob you want to skip having truesight

[agile kernel]

that and its usefulness greatly varies dungeon to dungeon

I think if the AoE blind was a 30 second cd and not 1 minute, then blackjack would bring enough utility be enough

[shrewd lantern]

Utility is fucking cope

its about damage

at the end of the day

[stoic shuttle]

yo which rogue spec should i pic if i had to prio one for all content

[agile kernel]

I don't understand how black powder got a nerf earlier when some of these other aoe classes exist

[shrewd lantern]

you mean demo and mage

[lilac stag]

Death knight

[tulip light]

what happened to gaze trinket that it giga sims now all of a sudden?

anything broke again?

[short radish]

tricks should be baseline

[random mason]

Yeah no cd on gaining stacks in game

[tulip light]

i see

[stoic shuttle]

😔

[south moss]

has anyone set up a macro that prioritizes fleeting flasks over regular ones (on the condition if you have them)

e.g.

/Use Fleeting Light's Potential
/Use Light's Potential

assuming it is p straightforward but just curious

[lucid jackal]

imo, assassination

I feel sub is larp

[shrewd lantern]

average person asking likely doing vault keys

so prob sub

[vivid phoenix]

im using this in my macros and it never failed

[shrewd lantern]

pvp is grossly in sub’s favor rn

[lilac stag]

sub is big fun in PvP

[manic ivy]

guys

should I use puzzle every 2min spam? or

puzzle-SB
SB
puzzle-SB

[lilac stag]

It’s a 3 min trinket on sub

[manic ivy]

ok so sync with SB you mean?

[faint quest]

yes

[manic ivy]

aight tyvm bois

https://tenor.com/view/sped-up-kiss-cute-cat-kitten-gif-6454201794369349769-cat-cat-kiss-kitten-kiss-cute-cat-kiss-gif-14673551694111611768

[shrewd lantern]

its guidon waiting room yeah

[short radish]

#showtooltip
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309

potion macro using fleeting r3 > fleeting r2 > r3> r2 for lights potential

#showtooltip Silvermoon Health Potion
/use [combat]item:241304
/use [combat]item:241305
likewise for hp potion
r3 > r2

[lilac stag]

Rank 3. You still playing TWW?

[short radish]

yes

i'm still using my TWW flasks on my alts

• the tempered potions

[limber marten]

is something broken with the sim or why is chimaerus trinket simming a 7.8k dps increase for me?

[brisk onyx]

I upgraded ppauto addon to 12.0

It working in retail

[shrewd lantern]

isnt 7.8k alot rn

[limber marten]

its 10%

for me

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

[limber marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/85hdzVxh2BjjsBAPS2dwPU

[shrewd lantern]

idk the issue

[zinc kayak]

Sub bugs in-game ✅
Sub bugs in-sims ✅

[spice crag]

what's target count for strike v storm?

[hazy breach]

Im pretty sure its janky for everybody, not sub specifically

They updated something about it, but it seems to have gone a bit awry

[spice crag]

do you always SS 2 targets outside of dance and strike during dance on 2 target?

[zinc kayak]

perhaps you need to get the drop and test it on dummy and tell us if its true 💀

[hazy breach]

Yes, per #subtlety-faq message

[limber marten]

I'll tell my loot council to put me prio 1 for science

[zinc kayak]

perhaps you can see if its fixed in nightly simc build

[limber marten]

it was nightly, i already resimmed and its shown properly for ~1.5k dps increase, so i dont know what went sideways

[shadow copper]

So when running droptimizer are we basically to assume any piece above “current gear” is considered an upgrade if we get it?

Sorry new to simming so just trying to figure out how to read things appropriately

[hard cosmos]

With 700 haste how long does SD last?

[brisk onyx]

7.5s

[noble tinsel]

Is using a builder after dance to proc arts worth it or should I just macro ST to dance (with trickster) ?

[lilac stag]

#subtlety-faq

[split wagon]

Any suggestions for using this? lol

[hazy breach]

A. Dont
B. Try to not get stunned in a bad spot ig

Use it every other blades

[frosty axle]

such a troll trinket

at least tww ones were actually helpful until myth trinkets

[split wagon]

Agreed. Feels bad. Will keep trying for others, but stuck with this for now lol

[hazy breach]

I mean the voidstorm rep one is really solid, and so are the drums and the paw

[split wagon]

Should i be simming the voidstorm one differently? It never comes in relevant

[hazy breach]

I dont remember when blizzard fixed it, but its possible the "weekly" build on raidbots didnt have that included

So try swapping it to latest or nightly in the options section

[graceful osprey]

I’ve gotten the heroic version of this on one of my alt. I was so mad

[split wagon]

Thanks, I'll resim and check into it.

[split wagon]

Yea, thankfully my hero item was boots. But two of my friends fell into the same situation as you with that trinket. The buff really is nice, but that drawback sucks

I feel for ya

[glass kelp]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[placid coral]

on lightblinded am i using shuriken storm and black poiwder instead of st?

[tribal blade]

ok stuff updates if you wait ~1 sec for guidon

goddamnit

REEEEE

[subtle spruce]

Where can I get a rotation guide? I feel like doing something wrong

[short radish]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[steel wyvern]

You have to wait a second after using guidon before you dance?

[spice crag]

what are people doing on h. paladins on the 2 target

still black powder?

their BP damage so high compared to evis

[steel wyvern]

Should be correct to evis on 2

Strike > evis

But probably still worth to send 1 bp for lash

[spice crag]

as in

strike > evis > storm > powder?

or strike > evis > strike > powder?

[still gazelle]

What's the strat for Sub on dragons? Sit between them and attempt to cleave?

[hazy breach]

Cleave?

[still gazelle]

Idk man

I just wanna see what the big dogs do as sub on them. Or do we just go ham on one?

I guess hitting them both would be impossible?

[brazen meadow]

you arent parsing unless your raid stacks them on p3

and padding adds

[left ledge]

just hit one

can bp in p3 if you have potent powder i guess

but just hit one

[tulip light]

cosplay single target enounter every cleave boss tbh

[spice crag]

you're completely single target dragon except of void spawn, aoe

im jus tryna figure out paladins that's tricky af

[warm depot]

is there a way to see if you dont have supercharged cps before pull?

[astral axle]

im having a hard time finding the plot, what's this about gaming the Gudion I've read about today?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

Bottom question

[astral axle]

Oh

I've already been doin that

POG

[lament sinew]

heya, i was trying the ?? delve boss as sub...is this intended that Valeera gets aggro and just dies when i hit shadowdance? im confused 😄

[astral axle]

Thanks eleem

[hazy breach]

Yes shadow dance drops aggro

[valid turtle]

Anyone using puzzle box? If so when do you use it? Before pull?

[lament sinew]

okay okay, and how do i prevent her from dying then?^^

[hazy breach]

You dont

[lament sinew]

awesome

[torn tide]

speaking of valeera, apparantly we're able to control where she goes

by pinging the location

pretty cool imo

[blazing yew]

Anyone have any sort of addon or anything that helps see the vessel trinket orb on the ground?

[icy silo]

tank here… do yall dislike if a tank is chaining pulls? i’m guessing yall prefer having time to restealth. just wondering if that’s something yall care about?

[plush roost]

Literally do not care about restealth

[short radish]

no, do not listen to any rogue gaslamping saying they need restealth

[blazing yew]

restealth is nice. Can have longer dances with stealths

[short radish]

that being said if you chain pull don't do a chain of like one final mob is at 2% health

[blazing yew]

Sin used to need it, now i dont think so

[plush roost]

The value gained from a forced restealth vs just chaining and having your entire group do more damage is a no brainer

If a mob is 2% sure let the rogue stealth but other than that its a chaingle

[short radish]

yeah do good chains

[tribal blade]

after the recent changes rogues don't gain enough dmg from restealth to warrant it

[short radish]

!restealth

[plush roost]

!chain

[tribal blade]

!chainpullat1hp

[plush roost]

Moroes slacking

[tribal blade]

it prob works in the sin channel

[short radish]

it does not.

[tribal blade]

oh damn

i've just been running VT in all content now

so i don't need to even bother thinking about TFD

[short radish]

VT?

[tribal blade]

veiltouched

[short radish]

veiltouch?

[tribal blade]

yeah

[short radish]

doesnt seem like there's many restealth opportunities anyway

except maybe pit

fuck pit is going to be so cancer

[tribal blade]

pit seemed fine on 10s at least

but with less gear prob not

[ripe flame]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[lost rampart]

So I made the stupid mistake of Hero crafting Farstrider’s Mercy. Given that, would it still be optimal to Myth upgrade it immediately or should I use those crests on another crafted item?

[plush roost]

It was one of the best beta keys ngl

Just a ton of massive pulls

[short radish]

yeah but for pugs its going to be terrible

[tribal blade]

i think a lot of these keys are gonna fuck up pugs

[short radish]

every key is going to be 130% route or something

[tribal blade]

i'm hoping they feel as chill as they did on beta

but likely not

[short radish]

AA - old dungeon
Seat - random shit is gonna get pulled along the way
pit - so much random shit gonna get pulled along the way
skyreach - hold W
WR - Hold W
Magister - hold W
Maisara - hold W
Nexus point - Hold W

i say this without playing a single beta key

and only doing m0s this week

[tribal blade]

probably yeah

[shrewd lantern]

how many myth crests did we get this week

just 30 right

[strange chasm]

3 5

[shrewd lantern]

null gave me 30

huh

[strange chasm]

i mean 45 if you killed crown

[shrewd lantern]

so crown's 15

[strange chasm]

?? gives 35 and crown 10 for 45

[shrewd lantern]

i only got 10

30

wtf

even google says null should be 30

first time a season

[plush roost]

He also drops 5

30 and 5

And 60 and 10 hero

[shrewd lantern]

he didnt have 5 on him when i looted him

though

[chrome palm]

It’s random afaik

[plush roost]

Get scammed nerd

[chrome palm]

Have fun with your 5 gilded crest xd

[plush roost]

Some people got double 30

[chrome palm]

Saw that

Demonic

[plush roost]

Yeah bro 1 less 10 keu

[shrewd lantern]

prob did it day 1

[plush roost]

Implying im not doing like 100

XD

[shrewd lantern]

yeah only the null first time ones dont count to cap right

[shrewd lantern]

also he only dropped 30 hero for me

what the actual helly

i only got 180

[plush roost]

Should be 60 from null and 20 from the 1 thing i cant remembwr

[shrewd lantern]

the housing shit?

i thought those count towards cap

[plush roost]

No something elae

[tribal blade]

what's the best curios for ??

[plush roost]

Voidspire

And the unseen blade icon one

[tribal blade]

ool

cool

[plush roost]

10% crit and 18% damage

Gl bro shit was so annoying to solo

[shrewd lantern]

oh the prey shit

btw the larias guide says null only drops 30 hero so idk

[tribal blade]

oh yeah i tried a few pulls already

and was like fuck this lol

[shrewd lantern]

says you should be at 180 hero so im good ig

[dreamy root]

isnt 30 from both ? and ??

[ripe flame]

yep

[shrewd lantern]

yeah ig

i have 180 hero so i guess i got them all

[swift tinsel]

60 total that dont count towards cap

plus 20 from prey quest

the one that gives a map beacon too

[shrewd lantern]

says only 30 myth not to cap so idk how people got 35

[swift tinsel]

yeah idk how some got 5 extra from ??

[icy silo]

yeah no one did that just trying to pull around my dps, and i prefer rogues in my keys

[swift tinsel]

but you can get 20 from delve 11's from gilded

I'm at 50 myth atm

[shrewd lantern]

you leveled them preseason?

[kind edge]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[swift tinsel]

nah just speedran this past weekend

did a bunch of 8's on alts

[shrewd lantern]

thought you need multiple chars

to level yeah

[swift tinsel]

opened a bunch of chests

yeah its hands down the fastest way

bc you get 430 journey rep per if you open the chest on an 8

[shrewd lantern]

i thought it was from killing the nemesis guys

or rather the chest is from killing them

at the end

[swift tinsel]

you get 80 from nemesis chest, 150 from it being bountiful 8, 200 from opening chest

additional 300 if you open map chest

you can get the 80 from killing I think just 1 group, that doesn't scale just the contents of the nemesis chest

potentially still get 80 from not killing any

idqr

I vibe hard with delves I just love doing them

[shrewd lantern]

same

[swift tinsel]

mods ban this man

tyty

[molten citrus]

!ban @verbal zenith scam spam

[ripe flame]

[shrewd lantern]

valeera sucks though

compared to bran

[short radish]

she does more damage though

[native parrot]

And she’s not a dwarf

[shrewd lantern]

hatarang bran did more

[oblique stream]

I'd rather Valeera than have bran call me champion for another 2 years

[tribal blade]

holy shit i got him down to like 4% and he got a lucky crit melee on me

for 200k

[lilac stag]

ok all the preseason stuff done

[spiral pewter]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

is there a trick for the last 20% of the boss

he's absolutely trucking at that point

and then during dances in cds he didn't swap to valeera

for some reason

[lilac stag]

I had 2 wipes at 1%. I finally said fuck it and killed the add

take both

i used numbling. seemed better than atroph

evasion tank after an interrupt

i legit sent everything into last add, then it was just interrupt and do the basic mechanics

Have interact bound so you can res her if need be. Evasion after an interrupt then res

[torpid lance]

hey guys, stepping over here after they embarrassed arms warrior. hope to have good things in store!

[lilac stag]

better off with fury

[tribal blade]

oh true i forgot about bond

[torpid lance]

Fury is for sad sad people...

[lilac stag]

what do you think all three rogue specs are for?

[tribal blade]

did you drop silent storm for bond?

[gilded ferry]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[fading vector]

!log

[lilac stag]

CUQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fDgx2MAAAAAwsMGLTMbbjxMjZgZmZmtxsNmZmtlZmZmZmxgxMLDAAAADGDYMbGGYgZRL0iNYAzMYGD

i shoulda put in there to fuck with ya

[tribal blade]

LOL

[lilac stag]

I didn't wait for blades. I just made sure i had a sectech ready for each add spawn then launched blades while the adds were engaged

you can also stack supercharged if you really want to push the first phase

4 chrages seemed to get everything to line up for me

[lilac stag]

you do realize arms just got a 7% ST buff and a 5% AOE Buff

[swift tinsel]

was watching Biz crank as arms too

[tribal blade]

ok nice killed it

gg

[swift tinsel]

I should give it a go on the dh

now that he's not babby anymore

[swift tinsel]

hellll yeah

big gratz!~

[tribal blade]

ty!

only did it for the myth crests

[lilac stag]

You’re welcome

[tribal blade]

wasn't that bad tbh

[lilac stag]

The frustrating part is the ping pong of health.

[tribal blade]

yeah just randomly dying

is tilting

[lilac stag]

when hof closed with Valeera eating potions to keep herself alive

gg bliz

[lilac stag]

Tanks doing tank things and healers exploiting her as well.

[pulsar hemlock]

Made it to the cool kids club as well tonight

Fight is a joke compared to Kyveza, but the mount is way cooler

[lilac stag]

Same. Otherwise I would have done it in 20 ilvls more of gear.

[white tapir]

when you do that ?? fight, what did you have valeera as, healer, tank, and what curios?

[pulsar hemlock]

Healer, the damage curio that procs 25sec into combat and the utility one that is the shield at 40% hp

My valeera is lvl23

[swift tinsel]

alright two toons about to have the most blessed vaults imaginable

dh almost up to same ilvl as rogue lol

[sacred reef]

why does ancient arts sometimes be consumed and not grant full combo points? bug or am i regarded

[tribal blade]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[fickle jacinth]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fair stump]

Do we BP on 2+ targets even for prio dmg? e.g. I don't care about adds health

[tribal blade]

this is phrased weird, can't figure out if you want or don't want prio dmg

evis on 2 targets will do more prio

BP on 2t will do more overall if you're talented into potent powder

[spare totem]

Why do I feel like a wet noodle in raid compared to some other classes.

[spare totem]

Holy Christ all mighty

[tribal blade]

yeah all 3 rogue specs down bad in raid atm

but 3/4% buffs incoming

quite conservative, but still a buff

also most sub rogues don't have 4pc yet which is a huge power bump

[spare totem]

Running with my guild I gap people but pugging I get gapped so fucking hard.

[tribal blade]

for reference demo which is the top spec gains basically nothing from their 4pc

[crystal quiver]

is it more efficient to use myth crests on crafted embel wep or w8 till 2nd boss dies

[spare totem]

Just shows my guild dps is utter dog shit

[tribal blade]

and i think they're getting nerfed too can't remember

[tribal blade]

either way it'll be fine

you just put the embel dagger in your offhand

so it's safe to send it to myth

[crystal quiver]

well im kinda an idiot an upgraded my heroic dagger drop so idk what the most optimal thing is now XD

still just mythic embel dagger?

[tribal blade]

oh that wasn't a good use of hero crests lol

but yeah pretty safe to send it on embel dagger

you get a big power bump early and don't screw yourself

[crystal quiver]

so then question is

if i get dagger drop on mythic

is it worth upgrading that vs a dif piece of mythic

or crafting

etc

[tribal blade]

that i'm not sure about

i would probably just keep the embel dagger in your main hand and put the myth dagger in OH

[swift tinsel]

Imma spend the next 12 hours manifesting 4pc for this week

[tribal blade]

and sit on the crests till it's more clear what to do

[crystal quiver]

ye well thing is my heroic dagger is base lvl myth dag

so XD

[rain meadow]

do we embelish wep?

[swift tinsel]

Hero track vault, lfr tier normal tier cata champ or delve hero piece

Plus contingency ksm cata charge

[tribal blade]

yeah with darkmoon hunt

[spare totem]

I feel so down bad. I hate not parsing on some boss encounters. Dreamrift feels like hell and so does dragons.

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing safest thing would be send myth crests on embel dagger and then sit on the rest of your crests for a bit

[onyx flame]

Yeah dragons is super dogwater

[spare totem]

I wanna know how there are sub rogues parsing 100s. So insane and don’t even understand or how comprehen wtf I’m doing wrong

Probably beating myself up to much since this is my first time ever playing sub

[shrewd lantern]

you pad adds

on dragons

[onyx flame]

Full pad adds

[shrewd lantern]

really not that complex

[crystal quiver]

my guild has insane aoe

ads die before i can black powder twice

XD

[shrewd lantern]

thats why you hold sectech and coup

and rip on spawns

[spare totem]

Ya the pug grp I was in were just blowing up the adds

[tribal blade]

well there's literally nothing you can do if the rest of the raid is doing mondo aoe

[crystal quiver]

my sectech doesnt even go off

[tribal blade]

so i woudln't worry about it

[spare totem]

I see now. If I’m in a heavy aoe comp I’m just gonna get super fucking gaped i guess

[crystal quiver]

the ads die before then XD

[onyx flame]

And i think our logs on dreamrift dont really work, i miss 10% active time on normal and hc while alot other have 99%+
I am constantly attacking something. I should log myself next reset

[tribal blade]

all you can do is hold dance+sectec and hope you get enough casts off

[shrewd lantern]

me as someone who killed tuesday

so stuff actually lived

[tribal blade]

i killed it later in the week

but i guess my guild just was doing no aoe lol

so i got a 95

[spare totem]

I see so where I’m at finally getting to it. I’m gonna have a hard time now.

[shrewd lantern]

join a pug

with shit geared chars

although hc logs

[tribal blade]

yeah that's a pretty easy way to get a good parse

but true nobody looks at heroic logs

only mythic

[shrewd lantern]

join your guilds alt run

is prob the best way

ngl

[tribal blade]

YO do a sale with your guild

get a bunch of carries

tell them to die

[spare totem]

Fair enough. Well that’s for talking me through it. I feel a bit better now

[tribal blade]

on every fight

pad aoe

win

[spare totem]

Thanks*

[shrewd lantern]

you join the alt run where 3 people brought a "i just hit 90 an hour ago" toons

to

[tribal blade]

parsing is a meme

and this tier on heroic is even more of a meme

because of pad aoe

[onyx flame]

I am afraid of mythic, it will be my first season of mythic raiding ever.

[shrewd lantern]

yeah only mythic logs matter

[swift tinsel]

Mythic is fun until you start progging the roster boss

[tribal blade]

pre turbo boost mythic adds will live a while guaranteed

this early on

unless tuning is wack

[shrewd lantern]

me playing araz

pre and post turbo

[tribal blade]

lol post turbo boost is rough

[swift tinsel]

I skipped turbo and my mental thanks me

[tribal blade]

that's when shit starts dying in 5 seconds

[shrewd lantern]

no i just played sin on araz

post turbo

cba

[tribal blade]

ooo full ethical dam

i'm considering going sin for crown

[shrewd lantern]

full ethical spatter dam

[tribal blade]

i dont' think sin has pad spatter dam anymore

[shrewd lantern]

not anymore

[swift tinsel]

I wish I didn’t dislike implacable gameplay as much as I do to keep me from playing sin

[tribal blade]

when i did the raid on normal the dmg is very ethical

overall

as sin

[tribal blade]

dude the 1st node sucks donkey dick

[shrewd lantern]

tuning will see

[tribal blade]

but the last apex node is so good

so much fun

[shrewd lantern]

i already set up cdm for prepatch sin

[swift tinsel]

I hate playing around the stack

[tribal blade]

makes kingsbane feel like a nuclear button

[swift tinsel]

Megastab kingsbane is def fun though ye

[shrewd lantern]

well kb felt mid

[tribal blade]

i used sin to hit 1600 in solo shuffle

[shrewd lantern]

prior

[tribal blade]

and KB is a big burst button

[swift tinsel]

Idk it feels whack bc there’s times you just don’t feel like you need the energy from implacable until you do and then you need it and it’s annoying vs rewarding

[tribal blade]

followed by a ramping dot

[shrewd lantern]

i just played sub

[tribal blade]

kinda fun

[shrewd lantern]

because you can prep 4 supercharger points in the starting room

[tribal blade]

i was playing sub then decided to just no think win my way through it

[shrewd lantern]

and kill someone in the opener half the time

[tribal blade]

LOL that's amazing

i didn't know that

damn i wish i had played sub now

[shrewd lantern]

oh yeah that monk got cooked

trinketed cheap in smoke only to die in a half cheap

[tribal blade]

umbral edge is the best thing they've added to sub in a while

definitely fits teh theme

very well

[warm marlin]

is shuffle shorter in prep room

u can def do 6 consistently in arena if you're fast enough

[shrewd lantern]

only 40s

[warm marlin]

ah

[shrewd lantern]

after round 1

[warm marlin]

yeah starting with 6 sc cp is a bit dumb

[tribal blade]

i keep forgetting to stack supercharger before pulls in raid

[shrewd lantern]

me when i send blades and badge

[tribal blade]

not a huge loss but it's free dmg

[shrewd lantern]

and kill a dh in 4 seconds

idk if holding my coups is worth

prob

[tribal blade]

probably yes

dmg outside dance doesn't matter even more in pvp

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

you look really good on details vs unholy

since nimble cleaves their goon army

[tribal blade]

lol true

sin was honestly a lot of fun too

because you do ridiculous overall every game

[shrewd lantern]

i used to do that vs dks last ssn

ct full bleed due to pet army

[tribal blade]

the pressure is crazy

[shrewd lantern]

and i played ds

to watch him get ticked by singular

[tribal blade]

haha nice

only issue with sin is you have way less gos than sub

you're stuck waiting on KB every time

[shrewd lantern]

yeah you have no free cheaps

with dance

[tribal blade]

yup that too

[left ledge]

W sub rogue

[short radish]

same

i need a weak aura for that

oh wait.

[tribal blade]

huehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

get wrecked idiot

[short radish]

bro i forget to pot sometimes

im so washed

[warm marlin]

track that thing's cooldown right next to blades

cant forget then

[tribal blade]

i'm being lazy and just macroing in pot with guidon right now lol

[jaunty heath]

I had to unmacro pot cos of last boss again

[fiery fog]

Cant you pot on pull and on p3?

[jaunty heath]

Yes

You bl p3

And i keep forgetting pressing dance before pull too

So doom3d withnout WAs

[fiery fog]

Its actually hard to think about it every pull😭

[short radish]

im slowly building muscle memory to press dance every time i release

[graceful perch]

Why dance before p3?

[fiery fog]

You can use dance in the intermissions too to get free supercharger stacks

[graceful perch]

Ahhh i see

[jaunty heath]

And this trinket blades super charged sectech in last sec, I feel really trolled not being in dance this big part of blades

[warm marlin]

its a bit strange

with 4p you just cant cover all of blades anyway

[jaunty heath]

I would love to see difference between doing this thing and just sending second dance In last 7-8s of blades

Yeah I know but this way second half of dance is outside blades

Its not issue with bl

[hazy lichen]

for cosmos fight

should we be eviscerating the big adds on p1

or cleaving with black powder

[warm marlin]

think its 0.5% #subtlety message

[hazy lichen]

on h

[warm marlin]

i did not cast a single black powder on that fight

[hazy lichen]

did u do big dam

[warm marlin]

not really

[jaunty heath]

I had pulls when I was pressing and pulls when not

[warm marlin]

but the adds dont matter

like they will explode to fury/dev/dev/other stuff anyway

and there's some point in the amp where its more damage to evis the big guy taking 300% extra damage or whatever

[open swan]

Only padding important don't forget

[jaunty heath]

I will get some practice on that boss tonight, doing 3x heroic boost as we can't afford enchants

[short radish]

i dont think people understand how little void droplet damage matters in p1 on logs

[jaunty heath]

Fight is cool, just wish they fixed visibility of arrows in p2

[native zodiac]

It will be much better in a 20man

Big problem of that fight is 30 plonkers in 1 spot so you cant see shit

[jaunty heath]

Yeah

[warm marlin]

[tribal blade]

lol if tuning is good

that boss is gonna be splits city

[native zodiac]

Shocked.jpg

Who would have seen this coming

[hazy lichen]

is there a way to track the damage amp

and should i be waiting to use sectec for when he takes more

or send on cd

[native zodiac]

Send on cd unless your raid phases the boss faster then 1:30

[warm marlin]

not on my frames

[tribal blade]

yeah i was trying to figure out how to track it on nameplates

couldn't see shit

good to know

[warm marlin]

there is a way to track it because our spriest was gooning over it

[tribal blade]

mmm ok

[warm marlin]

i just dont have it setup

or its buried in 18 debuffs

[tribal blade]

might have something on platynator

[hazy lichen]

ok its tracking for me

on default ui

under target frame

[tribal blade]

can you link what it looks like

or screenshot

[hazy lichen]

ye

[fiery fog]

If you want to parse you bp when there are many blobs and the big add has low stacks of the debuff
Otherwise just eviscerate and its fine

[tribal blade]

i might have missed it while progging

ah ok

[hazy lichen]

do you build with storm with more than 2 targets or is it better dmg to use backstack/shadowstrike on the add with damage amp

[tribal blade]

need to figure out if i can get that on nameplates

[fiery fog]

Never use backstab if there are blobs

[tribal blade]

backstab is only for 1 target

[hazy lichen]

but use strike

when its up

over storm?

[fiery fog]

Mhm i think strike might be better most of the time because of the amp

[tribal blade]

hard to say ngl because storm gens more CP if there's like 4+

[hazy lichen]

yea

also

gives u more stacks if u storm

cause less cp usage

[tribal blade]

you get more finisher apex if you storm

[hazy lichen]

which means double

ye

[tribal blade]

but maybe strike is fine

i'm looking at the number 1 log for crown

he's almost exclusively pressing stirke in dance on the P1 mobs

looks like he'll weave in a storm sometimes

prob for DM

[warm marlin]

276 weapon

[tribal blade]

lol true

tf number 2 log is sus af

either his raid group is destroying the adds insta

or he's pressing backstab way too much

hard to say

[warm marlin]

yeah it's a chinese boost log

[short radish]

HoF gonna be filled up on day 2

[tribal blade]

goddamn crazy lol

oh shit zac has a sub log

[hazy lichen]

rank 1 opener

wtf

[tribal blade]

yeah everyone is exclusively striking the big mobs during dance P1

which makes it actually much simpler

[golden totem]

Strike in dance, storm outside is usually what I did

[tribal blade]

less brain think

yeah looks like that's the move

[oak sorrel]

hey i have a 276 weapon why my logs suck

[fiery fog]

Press buttons correctly

[hazy lichen]

wait

[wheat edge]

Alleria complete cinema boss

[tribal blade]

gear isn't going to help if you do rotation wrong or send cds wrong

[hazy lichen]

does he delay his cds a bit

for the damage amp

[wheat edge]

We killed it right as we exploded

[hazy lichen]

on that opener

[golden totem]

Only time I would storm over strike in this fight is when I am not in melee range for 1gcd of target in p2

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

that and the adds don't insta spawn

[short radish]

updated ytd

with why

[tribal blade]

if you wait like ~2-3 seconds that's when they spawn

[oak sorrel]

week 1 heroic alleria is gonna have a ton of killing it while the floor is purple and there’s like 5 ppl alive

[tribal blade]

some people wait like 2 seconds on pull

some wait ~10 secs on pull

[short radish]

4 for us 🙂

[oak sorrel]

my log was probably ass bc i never pressed bp more than like once or twice lol

[short radish]

bp does not matter

[wheat edge]

Exact same kill time as us

[frosty sinew]

you really aren't using bp anyways

[tribal blade]

yeah dmg to those droplets means nothing

absolutely nothing

[oak sorrel]

means nothing for parse?

[short radish]

correct

[frosty sinew]

ye the big adds have huge damage amps

[oak sorrel]

oh i meant the p2 adds

[tribal blade]

i predict logs removes the droplets at some point

[frosty sinew]

those die so fast

[wheat edge]

Ethical breakdown?

[tribal blade]

exactly

[golden totem]

I got assassinated in p3 on Alleria kill yesterday

[frosty sinew]

and you're not specced into potent powder so it's not that much more dps than just sending evis

[tribal blade]

any time there's adds like that on any fight where they both explode and mean nothing

[oak sorrel]

like i would fully expect parselords to be spamming early p1 and all p2 adds

[hazy lichen]

trying to find it

[tribal blade]

wcl will remove them

[golden totem]

For sure. I was wondering if they were any changelog for those king of wclog stuff cause the only way I find out about this stuff is looking at ranks / discord

[tribal blade]

no idea

[hazy lichen]

oh i read that

but does that explain what hes doing?

[frosty sinew]

i mean whats he doing weird

[golden totem]

He's doing nothing wrong but delaying cds for 1 finisher

[frosty sinew]

other than delaying the cds for adds

[warm marlin]

it's the old vanish opener it's not a gain anymore

[tribal blade]

this is the long opener

it's not wrong

[sour horizon]

cant have a rogue getting into top 10 dps in raid

[frosty sinew]

binding baldes to trinket is not optimal but doesnt really matter

[tribal blade]

casting blades before trinket is a bit weird

but overall it's fine

or yeah it's macro'd together

[golden totem]

Im in puzzle prison but when I get the real trinket I'll macro it to blades too

[tribal blade]

right now since you need to wait ~1 sec for guidon

i do guidon>blades while waiting>dance+sectec

[golden totem]

1sec? Seems like a lot

[frosty sinew]

at worst it will take 1 second to register the haste

[tribal blade]

yeah they figured out shenanigans with how long you need to wait

[golden totem]

Fck

[tribal blade]

worst case scenario it's up to 1 sec

[golden totem]

Might not macro then

[frosty sinew]

and you have no way of knowing how long it will take

[tribal blade]

if you're lucky shorter

[frosty sinew]

if you want to be safe have to do 1 second every time

[tribal blade]

so the only way to guarantee it is wait 1 sec

[fallow nimbus]

That's why it felt so inconsequent

[wheat edge]

I also knew it was the kill pull when I smashed my head on the keyboard in the opener

[frosty sinew]

ye i completely trolled my crown kill

happens

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-gif-19730757

[short radish]

none of you can beat my crown kill opener

[frosty sinew]

gaming

honestly without 4 set

and just baby crafted weapon