subtlety

[tepid trellis]

im a boomer i just fuck with the original monster

and some of the like iced tea peach/mango flavours

rest i dont really care about

[olive canyon]

mango loco

[glass jackal]

best monster is the mocha coffee with 300mg of heart attack in it

[olive canyon]

and its not close

[gentle sonnet]

as i sit here in existential dread waiting for this solo shuffle que to pop

[dreamy jewel]

when im doing aoe dps

do i need to do coup de gra

[gentle sonnet]

best monster is a bang that always has 300 mg of caffiene in it

[tepid trellis]

yes

[swift tinsel]

They had the best protein ever until they discontinued it

Gorilla mind strawberry banana

[tepid trellis]

AoE finisher prio is Sectech-Coup-BP

[swift tinsel]

Made THe best protein pancakes/waffles

[gentle sonnet]

you know i was surprised to see sobi still around and kicking

[dry flame]

Alright, everything without HC Crown done. 0 tier, 0 trinkets. I think I'm cooked guys as a solo player

[shrewd lantern]

yes fucking rip

[daring pike]

how important is sending vanish on CD vs using it as a oh shit button when i won t be able to send sec tech on CD?

[gentle sonnet]

yea you're fucking cooked better hope for a tier piece in vault on tuesday

[swift tinsel]

Idfk why they reduced their entire line to just three or four flavors and they picked the shit ones

[jaunty heath]

im simming 77.5k as trickster and 79k as DS, but dont have much froim raid

[shrewd lantern]

its more than 3-4

[gentle sonnet]

trickster is more for AOE raid fights, and DS is for strict single target fights

[swift tinsel]

Really? Last I tried ordering they only had chocolate, vanilla, blueberry muffin and one other one and they were out of two of them lol

[shrewd lantern]

they had at my gnc

well the energy ones

[gentle sonnet]

you guys remember season 2 of TWW when BGs were just bot games

[swift tinsel]

Oh ye they have a bunch of the energy ones but I meant their whey

[shrewd lantern]

that would imply playing bgs

bots would play better than half the random bg teams

anyway

[shrewd lantern]

oh those

[swift tinsel]

The only pvp I did was comp stomp for marks to buy transmog sets lol

[gentle sonnet]

not when you were on the only human team in the game

[shrewd lantern]

idk bgs exist to farm honor

not much else

[hollow spear]

Is strawberry the pink one?

[swift tinsel]

Ye

[hollow spear]

Yeah that's pretty good

Had my first one just three days ago

Never seen it before here

[swift tinsel]

There’s a CVS a stone’s throw from the restaurant I used to work and they had buy one get one 50% off so I’d get a SF peach and strawberry or 2x of the Java lava coffee monster

Their mocha one is good too

[dreamy jewel]

so i was missing critical info

[real panther]

me, a fellow french, reading "coup de gra"

[dreamy jewel]

i know, i just shortened it

[proper sonnet]

Am i the only one switching from cold blooded killer over to Thistle Tea? It just feels so much smoother in Dungeons. DPS loss is about 1.5k but i think thats a fair tradeoff for cleaner gameplay

[dreamy jewel]

also french are silly <3

[hollow spear]

Thistle tea is arse

[tribal vortex]

you only do dmg in SD so you don't need tea

[dry flame]

Thistle on Sub feels redundant

[hollow spear]

Not the biggest fan of coffee taste drinks

[tribal vortex]

you can just afk when SD is on cd

[modest citrus]

anyone know a good sub rogue guide/video to help me leanr the class/spec better?

[proper sonnet]

U know what. Thats a fair point

[swift tinsel]

That’s fair, a lot of them are quite bad. The monster ones are closer to a mocha or latte bc of all the sweetener which hides some of that lol

[hazy lichen]

i like running vigor while questing

[real panther]

pve?

[dry flame]

Shindigg on YouTube has pretty good breakdowns for all 3 specs

[modest citrus]

yep

thank you!

[real panther]

then this #subtlety-faq message is really good (and way enough this season) my lad

[rich canopy]

There's another Sub Rogue pulling ~62k at i251 on Saldahar by spamming Eviscerate, is this some new tech?

I wasn't logging but it's like 48% of his damage vs. 7% SecTec

[warm marlin]

isnt 61k way down the list

also that sounds like deathstalker

[shrewd lantern]

energy is a non issue during dance which is the only time you do damage

so tea is kind of useless

[rich canopy]

SecTec should still be a lot higher I think

[warm marlin]

sectec for ds is very low

also at 61k probably misplaying

[swift tinsel]

The extra energy from vigor is what ‘smooths’ out the rotation that people falsely attribute to tea

[agile kernel]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[trim fractal]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[shrewd lantern]

all that energy to spam backstab

[swift tinsel]

It’s what the people crave

[random mason]

the people want to press buttons

[shrewd lantern]

may i sugggest outlaw

[tepid trellis]

the people can go play outlaw then

[random mason]

sub actually has to pool now

[swift tinsel]

The people can press buttons in dance which has high uptime

[shrewd lantern]

why press many button

when one button do good

[iron obsidian]

wdym i love spamming backstab

[random mason]

person that only plays OBA

[iron obsidian]

its why i only go down the left side of the tree and nothing else

[shrewd lantern]

lmao oh god

when lingering and goonblade

were actually good

[vivid phoenix]

!upgrade

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[iron obsidian]

when was the last tier we used gloomblade

[shrewd lantern]

aberrus

[oak hearth]

What are we crafting with sparks. I made Farstrider's Mercy with embellishment but spark crafts seem kinda shit? Should I just send second craft on ring or what

[true coral]

Do we ancient art Sectech?

[hazy lichen]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[hazy lichen]

on wowhead there is another condition

[lean rover]

Are you guys delaying CDs to align with adds spawning, Chimaerus, Averzian? I feel like sometimes I tried the CDs and hold for 15sec to wait for adds. Are you guys sending as soon as they come up

[true coral]

Thank you !

[iron obsidian]

i send on chimaerus if im going down first

no point holding for an extra 30 seconds

tbh

im actually just sending on cd

[sullen hare]

my guild is full of actual pad-hungry animals so I don't bother

[lean rover]

I did that buy the first set of adds on Chimaerus is so weak I can like two good bp that's it

[west bough]

is there a list of known bugs?

[sullen hare]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[west bough]

thx

[iron obsidian]

same, had a dk in my guild in a fucking alt normal chimaerus ask to go down second because of cds not aligning

[sullen hare]

🤢

[lean rover]

I will try sending CDs sooner

[hazy lichen]

gigachad

[sullen hare]

same guy who's going to have trouble in mythic because he treats every boss as a patchwerk

trust me I know because he's in my guild too

[iron obsidian]

yuh, and then had an officer ask why i didnt ask for the second down phase because i was playing my alt dk too, and said in disc that i dont care about my damage i care about killing bosses

because who tf is trying to parse week 1

[slow fox]

rank 125 lfr bro

[iron obsidian]

ill go parse when its on farm

[real panther]

so, which one do I follow? One says Darkest night OR supercharged, the other just say supercharged, i'm lost

[iron obsidian]

you follow both

[hazy lichen]

darkest night is for ds only but idk

[iron obsidian]

because darkest night is for when playing deathstalker

[hazy lichen]

i havent played ds this season yet

[real panther]

so, no matter if I have a superchaged, as long as I have the talent the condition validates?

for ds

[iron obsidian]

yeah you gotta meet all the conditions for it, which is also only during lust, unless thats been changed

with this 3% buff coming

[real panther]

basicaly for the ds spec I can ignore that condition

[sullen hare]

I ignore ds spec

[iron obsidian]

id get someone smarter than me to properly answer the question

[tribal vortex]

Not to do with lust anymore

[iron obsidian]

but yeah i tend to just ignore DS as Sub

[tribal vortex]

Just when you have supercharged combo points finish with apex

[warm marlin]

no lust anymore

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[tribal vortex]

so you send ST first finisher

then the 2nd need to be apexed

[iron obsidian]

ahh good to know

when did that change?

[warm marlin]

9 days ago

[iron obsidian]

oh shit

i been sandbagging for a week and a half then

[real panther]

wdym you ignore ds as sub? in pure st it's better no?

[iron obsidian]

i said what i said

[past flax]

how important is the supercharge combo point part? like if i don't do that part, how much dps will i lose?

[iron obsidian]

seems like its not worth it to do it without the supercharged cp

[real panther]

(unless you play ds 🤣 )

[inner prairie]

In pure ST, but there is very few occasions of that.

[real panther]

indeed

[hazy lichen]

whats the % diff on swapping from trickster to ds on those 2 fights that its recommended

is ds that much better to play on st

[shrewd lantern]

In theory before you get parried on your DN?

and lose your hero tree the rest of the fight?

like 3% maybe

[hazy lichen]

you can get parried as ds?

[shrewd lantern]

yes

[real panther]

kek

[shrewd lantern]

If you get parried on the dn evis you lose your mark

the rest of the attempt

[hazy lichen]

couldnt kingsbane be parried

or did i imagine that

[shrewd lantern]

in amir yeah

it'd go on cd too

[hazy lichen]

and s4 right

[shrewd lantern]

idk s4 wasnt a real season

[hazy lichen]

yea

i swear i have a memory of my kingsbane getting parried on a mythic rashok kill lol

so must have been s4

[shrewd lantern]

probably was possible

i just played outlaw that season

to meme with torch more

[arctic heart]

how we change marks with sub in DS?

[swift tinsel]

iirc they made kingsbane and colossus smash unparryable in what, s2?

of tww

[hazy lichen]

thats insane that dn can get parried tho

[shell vector]

So how the hell do you actually play with Puzzle Box? Use it before pulls and if the pull/boss is longer than 2 minutes cry and use it during the fight to line up with CDs?

[hazy lichen]

gotta keep that in mind if i play that

[swift tinsel]

I mean its just evisc

and blizzard thinks parry is charming or some shit

even though they're blacklisting abilities from getting parried

its dumb

antiquated and dumb

[hazy lichen]

why dont they make it the same as unseen blade but with deathstalk mark

[swift tinsel]

make it a pvp-only thing

[hazy breach]

KB not being parryable was fixed mid/late tww s1

[swift tinsel]

ah

ty

thought it was middle of the xpac

[shrewd monolith]

Hi i have a question about dragon boss in voidspire is BP hitting both dragons when one i still flying?

[hazy lichen]

was attacking a boss from behind making it to where u cant be parried always a thing

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[hazy lichen]

damn

i was gas lit all of dragon flight then lol

[swift tinsel]

which is annoying as fuck when its a boss that you're required to attack from the front

meanwhile ranged does not have anything like that

you can attack from fuckall direction as long as you're within minimum range

spell hit and spell resist are gone, melee hit is gone but parryable attacks exist

idk I'm salty about the whole thing lol

[shrewd lantern]

wdym devourer is complex

[swift tinsel]

setting up devourer aoe burst is lowkey fun

smuggling an eradicate in so you can eradicate-beam-cs-eradicate

[shrewd lantern]

see how complex

this is

!

[swift tinsel]

tbf that's only the first 20 seconds of a fight

maybe 30 if you lowroll

I hate the opener but once you get momentum going its fun

the talent that gives haste per soul consumed makes it so fun though

[shrewd lantern]

They basically lean harder into the consume souls minigame

even harder than og veng

[swift tinsel]

I wouldn't main it but I have fun playing it in dungeons for sure

getting cucked on a beam cast and not getting eradicate feels bad tho, skill diffy ig

but fighting the fury bar trying and getting a 5th star off is dopamine af

[restive chasm]

Quick question, in Mythic's, after opener am I re casting SD while doing the SS>BP rotation?

[shrewd lantern]

from a aesthetic pov idk what they’re gonna do

make void themed sets?

or keep them fel/demonic

[swift tinsel]

add a blindfold and say fuckall to the rest

some horns on the shoulders

[robust light]

what are u guys pulling in raid

pls i need numbers at around 250 ivl

[swift tinsel]

the s1 set looks kinda silly

[tribal blade]

never thought about it that way yeah you right

[robust light]

like im doin nothing in raid

[spiral needle]

warcraftlogs.com ?

[swift tinsel]

pooling on ds feels weird

not a fan

wanting to start dance on low cp so not building or finishing

[frosty vector]

Should you always have coup the grace for shadow dance when going ST on bosses like Vorasius?

[shrewd lantern]

When i realize i can combine 3-4 sets together

and it looks like the same set

might mean they reuse the same concepts alot

[swift tinsel]

yeah I noticed that too when I was doing dh transmog sets lmao

I got lost on which pieces belonged to which sets haha

[austere elm]

so how can you track supercharged now? for the apex minmax?

[shrewd lantern]

I put the mfo glowing purple items

with the amir ones

and sargerei set

[swift tinsel]

my dh sets are so basic

[torpid echo]

I hate collecting souls from the vessel trinket, is there a good alternative to pair it with puzzle box that's farmable?

[swift tinsel]

I usually just default to nathria mythic set with red lightsabers

[shrewd lantern]

also fucks over anyone who didnt get the magetower glaives

so hard

[swift tinsel]

me lol

quit most of legion so I missed out on it

[shrewd lantern]

Like the glowing mfo sets

[swift tinsel]

got all the armor sets though so that's a wimpy consolation prize

plus spelltome

[shrewd lantern]

match every skin of them

[tepid trellis]

hardest part about devourer is positioning so eradicate pads as much as possible ong

[swift tinsel]

eradicate my beloved

I will smuggle you into eternity if I could

[shrewd lantern]

I kind of wish devo got to use scythes

at least cosmetically

[swift tinsel]

yea

there's some stellar ones

obv the big purple one

[shrewd lantern]

Though 90% of mfs

[swift tinsel]

the ahune one is cool

[shrewd lantern]

would use the argus ones

[swift tinsel]

black ice is my fav tho

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

non-scythe but purple as fuck

[waxen lintel]

Assuming shadow blades is on cooldown now.

At what time should i stop using shadow dance to ensure that i have 2 charges for shadow dance when shadow blades is back up?

[torpid echo]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint bobcat]

Feels like it lines up where you sit on shadowdance for 10-15 seconds to make sure you have two shadowdances for your SB.

[buoyant shale]

Question: Does the 18% here insicate the soft cap?

[waxen lintel]

Thanks. Sure is annoying to line them up to send shadowblade 🙁

[lilac pendant]

double ring good?

[fallow nimbus]

How do you guys do the 650 to 700 haste when the robot just goes lower with the items you have?

[alpine wraith]

not horrible but the set is whatever

[steel zinc]

You should get 19 or 20% even

coup is 1.2 sec

[swift tinsel]

is the robot trying to lower haste to the next-highest gcd granting haste rating when your gear can't reach 650-700

?

since haste rating between 6.2 and 7.2 is kind of a deadzone

[brazen meadow]

do we still need to cast lights guidance trinket like half a second before cds?

[boreal narwhal]

Nullaeus tier ?? is making me rage. Got him down to 60% due to pure luck once but most times he just owns Valeera after a while and I'm done

[spare bobcat]

how are we usingg puzzle box considering the 1,5 min cd on shadowblades

[swift tinsel]

every other blades

[spare bobcat]

thats what i thought

ty

[spiral bloom]

it's a terrible solo fight

I was able to kill it post valeera nerf by perma tricksing her and using an interact keybind to rez her as soon as she dies

If she gets like ~20% just get ready for her to die and spam the interact key

Others have said you don't tricks her and instead juggle threat with dance because it drops threat - I guess I did it the hardmode way. It was miserable but possible

[boreal narwhal]

Nice, what was your ilvl?

[spiral bloom]

I think I was 250 -252, i don't remember, level 18 valeera

[boreal narwhal]

Do you just pray he doesn't 1-2 shot you when she's down and you're ressing?

[subtle jay]

aight guys this heroic content is bullshit

1st one is overall and 2nd is boss dmg

[spiral bloom]

yes. I usually crimson vial/evasion/cloak, etc. before rezing

get ready to vanish when she comes up because she has very very weird threat and might not get aggro instantly

attack out of vanish asap though because you can accidentally reset the fight

remember dance also drops threat though so you can rez --> dance

[boreal narwhal]

Ah yeah

[graceful crown]

boh, vanguard is so so bad for sub...

[boreal narwhal]

I just hate how this fight works because it doesn't feel fun at all

[spiral bloom]

It's not good

There like isn't even a mechanic it's just interrupt and get meleed

[graceful crown]

demon and frost and mm are mega op beasts in that encounter

unbeatable

well derp in most of encounters of the raid :D

[boreal narwhal]

Lol yeah. I wish there was some intended way of getting around his stuff and do some actual mechanics

[spiral bloom]

The tl;dr for the whole thing is

valeera healer with cheat death curios
silvermoon health pots for lay on hands level healing
perma tricks her
When he's getting to a 75%/50%/25% health mark, if valeera is low, let her die and rez before pushing
you really want to go into the intermissions with shadowblades
use interact keybind to rez her for 100 reasons including the moron boss obstructing your ability to right click
use drums after he becomes attackable at 25% if you want
remember defensives/valeera healing orbs

[crystal quiver]

do we think theyl fix gcd bug with coup/shadowstrike

[swift tinsel]

nope

[steel zinc]

over 2 years so no never

has to do that the spell is frankensteins monster of death from above spell

[swift tinsel]

realz hit me with a 🙃 when I asked about coup gcd fix

[hollow dune]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[oak sorrel]

are there any bosses in voidspire that are 100% ST where we run deathstalker?

[ivory swallow]

Hey there is no way to fit 2 secret tech inside shadow blades

I have 18% haste

Trying on dummies it seems that I am off 4 seconds

Am i doing something wrong?

[alpine wraith]

you would need bl and or guidon and tier set

[steel zinc]

check pins

[ivory swallow]

guidon?

[steel zinc]

lit in the pins

[ivory swallow]

I will try to use haste pot

[alpine wraith]

no dont use haste pot

[boreal narwhal]

Managed to get him down to 25% or so. Shit is cursed when she's dead and those orbs are up that drags you into them

And the shadow damage lanes are right where she is

[warm marlin]

save cloak for it

unless you mean you're getting dragged away

then its evasion tank until the orb is far enough away, tank one last auto with evasion and insta start the rez on swing timer

[fiery fog]

4 tier token dropped in 4 bosses and i got none

[short radish]

[fiery fog]

sitting on one lfr token and missed 4 hc token

crazy

[ivory swallow]

So we only get second secret tech inside BL?

When we are using shadow blades outside of a BL, should I still hit the second dance just to throw extra evis/blackp?

[distant bison]

theres one addon im using i cannot find how to move

it doesnt move on edit mode and i cannot find it under addons

big debuff in the middle screen

[lofty horizon]

That's DBM.. disable private aura debuffs

[empty slate]

i havent played wow for like a year, is sub rogue fun currently?

[lofty horizon]

same thing happaned to me

[distant bison]

i fukin love u

he uses the same thing

they told me its bigwigs but i use dbm

i ve been tring to find it for hours

[valid jewel]

I was curious too, so I tested it, and it seems possible with 18% haste, 4p tier, and the Guidon trinket. Sorry For My Bad English , english isn't my first language

[lofty horizon]

hahaha, I went through exactly the same thing

and yeah, incredibly annoying/frustrating.

[distant bison]

ty again dude ure a legend

[solemn isle]

do you lose sec tech damage if you use it while mobs are running around? do the clones only hit where you casted it?

[swift tinsel]

only if they displace or move very fast out of it

[solemn isle]

so like tank just gathering and kiting isn't fast enough to worry about?

or should I always save until tank stops running around

[steel zinc]

pretty mandertory to see private auras

if not your cooked. it lit tells you what to do the icon

[ivory swallow]

☝️

Does anyone knows that?

[white tapir]

For raid talents, when do you prioritize using black power over evis? For instance voracious when he spawns the bugs.

[craggy quest]

Is voidsong change simming correctly in Raidbots? im gonna assume no because of this

[plush roost]

Without tier u just dance once per blades and play off sec tec cd, u get a "free" cast of dance every so often if youre at 19 sec sectec cd.

With tier and Guidon trinket your sec tec becomes around 15 second cd, so you can dance a second time and supercharge sec late with it

And it all kindof aligns

[steady osprey]

That depends on your perception of fun. I find it a ton of fun, but if your idea of fun is tied to complexity, that is long gone I'm afraid.

[plush roost]

#subtlety message

Example of my response in action

[spiral bloom]

yes, literally the difference between the kill and wipes was orbs keeping me from rezing her, it's maddening

[zenith hollow]

Is there any addon or way to get cdm to play a sound when my SD ends?

[high grotto]

is it not better to hold for a second shadowdance or delay a sectec to have 2 SD up for blades?

[plush roost]

You never delay sec tec unless sblades is in 8ish seconds

[lilac stag]

you’re basically dance dead space dance in blades and don’t fuck up the trinket

[plush roost]

And in some cases you just delay sblades for sec tec

Yup

[lilac stag]

maybe we get Sectech charges when sblades tier goes away

or give it a higher haste multiplier

[hushed roost]

Will you get 2Nd sec tech with 4 pc?

In blades?

[steep copper]

so i have a question but looking for wisdom on this rotation and what im doing wrong. im slowly piecing it bit by bit from watching other rogue passing me up by 20k in dps. I just finished H-Dream and the rogue was at 65k overall and I was 48k. my buddy sim'd us and he said i should've been higher than him. help!

[high grotto]

i believe theres a command to post logs in but i cant remember it if thatll hep relgore

[fiery fog]

it should be /combatlog

or use something like archon

to live log

[high grotto]

oh i meant in the disc

[swift tinsel]

its just !log

[clever ember]

what stats should i put on my Crafted Dagger?

that i would be able to swap in between sub and Sin?

and rogues need buffs badly

[fiery fog]

prob haste mast

[wooden wagon]

would greatly appreciate if any would could give me some advice on why my damage is so low

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

holy shit it's insane how bad sub is on paladins

that is crazy

[spiral bloom]

that fight sucks mega balls in general regardless how good sub is at it

[tribal blade]

yeah it sucks but seeing myself sandwiched between people gray parsing

with a 92

is nuts

[white tapir]

is there anyway to make the vessel trinket more visible when orbs drop, i legit can not see the orbs

[wintry heart]

Can someone explain 3 minute trinket like I main sub rogue

Its not clicking LOL

[tribal blade]

not sure what that means

[wintry heart]

I just looted puzzle box

WOwhead says to treat it like 3 minute trinket

[tribal blade]

oh use it like a 3 min trinket, so use it every other cd set

means you'll always have 1 cd set with no trinket

[wintry heart]

Thank you

[steel wyvern]

Bro same it’s insane

[tribal blade]

don't wanna play outlaw so might just play sin on it on mythic when they inevitably buff the shit outta it

sub is so far behind on that there's no way to make it up

[steel wyvern]

I think I’m like purple in between blues on that fight

[wintry heart]

Is there anything worse?

[steel wyvern]

Yeah a lot

[steep copper]

so if black bars don't pop I should Bs/Ss to pop the bars to buff the finisher then spend the buffed finisher or spend all points?

[steel wyvern]

Getting shot

Dying

!arts

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[steel wyvern]

It’s only during dance

[oak sorrel]

how come vorasius uses deathstalker? it has periodic add spawns

[tribal blade]

0 leather tier dropped from first 5 bosses of heroic

this is insane

[spiral needle]

game knows one of the classes on the token is dead weight

[steel wyvern]

The fight is 99% single target, you don’t hold either sectech or coup de grace for the adds, they die to passive cleave from all the other people in the raid so pressing black powder isnt great anyways

[steel wyvern]

Bro we got one heroic piece from the terrible trio and I slurped it up

W

[alpine wraith]

i got head and chest from chima guy

head NM tho

[plush roost]

Im still half veteran track gear W

[tribal blade]

crown doesn't drop tier so i can't make 4pc this week

i'm sad

[gilded thistle]

is this a ui bug or does it actually not scale the amount of haste from the use?

[plush roost]

Just UI bug

[gilded thistle]

kk

[plush roost]

Lfr splits

Smile

[tribal blade]

we just did it today, i got 1 piece from it 😉

and 2 cata charges

BUT no more tier bosses to kill this week

[gilded thistle]

wait what did u get 2 cata charges from?

[trail bison]

pvp probably

[tribal blade]

i got 1600 in solo shuffle

[gilded thistle]

ah

[frosty sinew]

guild did lfr splits with 24 people and 1 random and the random stole the leather tier

what a gamer

[gilded thistle]

LMAO

thats so fucking sad

[frosty sinew]

was my alt rogue so wasnt gonna get the tier anyways but funny af

[left ledge]

they're all shit on that boss

its best to just be benched

rogue just does not have cleave

[alpine wraith]

yea we are cheerleaders

even if sub went back to what it was we would get omegarolled

[oak sorrel]

locks and mages being above me on crown with 20% lower parse is a great sign

[balmy gate]

We just need to Accept if we want to be competitve and do dmg reroll

[oak sorrel]

catalyst unbound is per-char right?

[tribal blade]

i don't think i get benched 😉

at least hopefully

[balmy gate]

If there will be no buff our guild Will play without a rogue 🙁

[alpine wraith]

the damage diference is too high sadly

[spiral needle]

it really is something to look at paladin stats. rogues used to have respectable cleave

[sullen hare]

No thankfully

[fair wedge]

LMAOOOO

cooked wrap it up and call it a day we go next xpac

[tribal blade]

it's so over (on that boss)

[fair wedge]

ye pals felt giga shit

[alpine wraith]

i did almost 80k dps

was fighting vs the tanks too

[fair wedge]

idek if its better to backstab or shuri storm when theres 2/3

[spiral needle]

storm outside of dance pretty much always at 2+

[steel horizon]

on nullaeus is it still worth to stand in the healing pools when theres purple shit on it?

[still depot]

so reading the guide, i see that they say to try get 2 charges for each blades but when i look at the iterations on raidbots, all of them only use 2 dances on the first SB, then just 1 dance on all subsequent SBs

[spiral needle]

are you simming with 4-set

[still depot]

no. so if i dont have 4 set, i just send based on Sectech availability?

[oak sorrel]

if i get 4p on my rogue i can farm catalyst on alts? lol

[sullen hare]

That is my understanding yes

Kind of a rare w for blizzard unless it's super shit drop rate

[plush roost]

That fight will absolutely blast healthbars, 1 rogue is mandatory

[dry plank]

Balance team made everything they can we should not complain 🙂

[oak sorrel]

having the feint button to get less fucked by interrupting scream or w/e from the second void add is pretty cool

[chrome palm]

Rogue has never been benched from bad damage it’s been benched from Atrophic not working

Afaik

[oak sorrel]

bad damage is just a bonus

[prime ice]

This might be a really dumb question, but is there a reason why Sub can't use a one-hander in the off-hand?

[plush roost]

Atrophic seems to work on almost everything in voidspire so big W

[plush roost]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[chrome palm]

Has rogue been sat anywhere except stix since df

Besides like the shitty 1st boss manaforge or whatever where it didn’t matter

[plush roost]

Nah rogue has been in on every important fight

3.6% dr is just too good

[chrome palm]

I think it should just last 1 minute like the other raid debuffs but w/e

[plush roost]

Agree

Any time an intermission where u can apply it occurs its very cringe

[chrome palm]

Yeah

[elfin sigil]

No such thing as a dumb question ❤️

[tribal blade]

huge

[lucid jackal]

correct

[tribal blade]

dmg going out on paladins seems hectic

i imagine mythic even crazier

so it'll be worth having 1 rogue in for that boss i think

[elfin sigil]

Hi dekai 🤠 u back to rogue this szn i see welcome back

[oak sorrel]

oh man that feels good

[astral axle]

A good corewright always has his tools

[oak sorrel]

it feels 10x better because someone fucking tied me for it

and i almost had a heart attack

[steel wyvern]

We will see

[lilac kestrel]

Hey friends, I'm brand new to sub and Rogue in general, apologies if these questions are misplaced. My dungeon damage is very comparable to those around me, but I can't seem to even get close to my ST sims when sitting on a dummy. Is there risk that these WoWhead macros are negatively impacting performance? My damage is so far off I feel like I'm missing something fundamental. Thanks in advance 🙂

Referenced macros attached in image.

Logs from last night: Averzian; Vorasius
Quick sim from now (about 6k higher than last night):https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g1GGWqaE72CTkV95gBB6d2

[spiral needle]

for starters you need to separate your trinket in a dif macro than your dance and sec tech

also sec tech should be your first finisher when entering dance every time

except during blades I believe

[raven maple]

As Sub near the end of your opener is it worth holding off one gcd if it meant fitting in a second Sec tech in your Shadow blades window?

[spiral needle]

that stops being a concern when you get 4-set

[frosty sinew]

it's worth holding to get sec tech as second finisher

[raven maple]

Me?

[frosty sinew]

or atleast sim does

[spiral needle]

yea, 4 set gives 4 more seconds of blades

so you'll always be able to get it in during opener

[raven maple]

ahhh I see

[last marten]

can you squeeze in a secret tech last second in shadow dance ?

[broken fable]

So i crafted dagger and the guides tell u to craft belt, but i got hero track belt is it the same/okay to just craft wrist ?

[raven maple]

Depends on haste and if bloodlust is going on

I'm 1 gcd off

[last marten]

so give it a little breathing space

[frosty sinew]

you can also delay second shadow dance

to fit sec tech in

for me with ~700 haste and hero guidon trinket if i use second dance about when trinket will run out i can get sec tech off the second finisher of second dance

[last marten]

ye exactly

[frosty sinew]

sim might just be doing it because it is definitely good with 4 set

but my sim does the same

[raven maple]

So delaying 2nd dance is not a bad idea also?

[frosty sinew]

nah it's good

especially with the +4 seconds of blades once we get it

[raven maple]

It does feel better for fitting in a 2nd sec tech

[frosty sinew]

also lets you apex your second sec tech

[raven maple]

Ooohhh

Thanks a lot

[tribal blade]

apexing sectec isn't that great

it's like apexing an evis

[frosty sinew]

ye but it feels cool

[tribal blade]

lol it does for sure

[frosty sinew]

that's like

.1% dps increase atleast

[tribal blade]

if they ever fix the interaction it'll become really good to do

[fiery fog]

ive found a nice group for a crown log xd

[balmy gate]

At how much targets we start to use BP?

[oak sorrel]

dos

[fiery fog]

2 with potent powder

[balmy gate]

Thanks

[tribal blade]

THIS GUY'S PADDING GET HIM

[oak sorrel]

do you box on 3 or after pull?

[alpine wraith]

as DS on crown you get prio by using bp!

[shy scarab]

Its not padding if it needs to die

[alpine wraith]

tell them

guys i need this pad

trust

actually big strat to let you go into the other add at the beginning with the tank

so you get to pad on 5-6 adds

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/uhhhhh-gif-18728531

[sullen hare]

Not sandbagging smdh my head

[mellow smelt]

yall think it matters which enchant goes on main vs offhand

[quaint remnant]

Im really bad with sub or what

my parses are like

stupid low

in raids

[tribal blade]

lol true

[tribal blade]

i will 100% be BPing as much as possible tomorrow on crown prog

until it actually becomes a problem

btw i wonder what new way blizz will cook up to fix sub's cleave problem we're back to again

because this is very familiar territory

[alpine wraith]

what problem

you do more dmg and add dies earlier trust

[tribal blade]

i meant more so like on paladins

[alpine wraith]

oh paladins is literal hide details

and just vibe

nothing you do changes anything

oh actually dont die

[tribal blade]

i wonder what crazy number they would need to buff nimble by to fix it lol

[alpine wraith]

they might notice

[limpid sage]

I’d prob do it after Shadowstrike

[fair wedge]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[limpid sage]

Just so you have 100% uptime on it in blades

[fair wedge]

whats the command for addons

[alpine wraith]

dont think there is one

[fair wedge]

swear there was one bc it had a venom addon or smth

[mossy spruce]

same xd
spec feel more punishing than in tww, u miss one thing in ur rotation and gg

[alpine wraith]

yea funnily enough i get lots of people dming me but it almost always is the same mistakes of being impatient or just not knowing some things

[finite marten]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[last marten]

what are the most common mistakes ?

[short radish]

don't spread this, but the secret for doing damage on crown is waiting for the 300% damage amp

and not the adds

alternatively adds into amp

[last marten]

interesting

[tribal blade]

MMMM i see

[fiery fog]

got a nice warbound neck from endboss

only vet though

[hollow trench]

Are you a mechanic

[fiery fog]

mechanicmarc because i surely dont just ignore most mechanics with cloak

[tribal blade]

oh shit lucky

[fiery fog]

it sims like 1k less than my 259 rep neck

gg

[tribal blade]

is that why it looks like people are sending blades on pull then first dance like ~10 secs in

[fiery fog]

but why would you blades on pull then

[tribal blade]

i'm mainly looking at the number 1 guy

oh wait i'm dumb nvm

blades was covering the first dance icon

[sage pond]

is it also not worth on dreadstalker to apex buff the darkest night eviscerate on second and third boss? just play dumb as if the apex doesnt exist?

[fiery fog]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[tribal blade]

although he did send 3 dances before 2nd blades and only used 1 dance for 2nd blades

[short radish]

maybe theyre running TFD

i dunno

i havent killed yet

[tribal blade]

nah i messed up looking at lorrgs

[sage pond]

is this outdated now?

[tribal blade]

no shouldn't be

the dances are a lot less static than other fights though

[crystal quiver]

#1 guy has 4set and giga gear

[tribal blade]

true

[alpine wraith]

this is what i told someone so he focuses first on the most important things

you still apex some things

[crystal quiver]

u gotta remember giga optimizations r only like 2-3% realstically

[alpine wraith]

but if you cant send sec tech inside dance

you have bigger problems

[crystal quiver]

4set is legit 15%

[tribal blade]

yeah 4 set for sub is massive

[fiery fog]

its mainly the 2 set

but 4 set is still better than most other sets

[crystal quiver]

I was supposed to be funnel for our raid, we did full normal/heroic clear and 1 leather tier piece dropped XD

[lament ravine]

Should I send hero crests if I have a hero weapon? Worth or should I just hold?

[crystal quiver]

On this note what is the optimal myth crest spend

[tribal blade]

i meant 4 set in terms of both of them

[keen dome]

I wish I had any tier. 😠

[fiery fog]

same

only have a lfr chest on one and a lfr hand on another rogue

[keen dome]

Only one more boss left that even drops it lol

[tribal blade]

i'm now at 1pc with 2 cata

[crystal quiver]

i mean thats enough

just cata 2 and gg

[fiery fog]

using cata now can grief you very hard next week if youre unlucky

[keen dome]

I got hero legs from delve too, so the curse is real.

[tribal blade]

yeah sending cata when you can't guarantee 4 set is dangerous

[frosty sinew]

if using cata gets you 4 set you will get more charges doing m+ for hero gear

[keen dome]

You could just wait for reset though, it's not like you need it right now and waiting isn't losing anything

[frosty sinew]

definitely troll if you don't already have 2 pieces of tier

waiting is losing your parses in raid if you still raid this week!

we gotta be rank 1 !

[keen dome]

Haha

[soft garnet]

is simming at 67k patchwerk decent for 252 ilv...?

[keen dome]

I'm gonna be rank 0 and happy

[tribal blade]

holy shit i should do LFR on my alt rogue maybe i get warbound tier

actually

[soft garnet]

cause im seeing dks sim for like 78k lol

[crystal quiver]

is warbound tier a thing tf

[keen dome]

well we aren't DK's, we are rogues.

[tribal blade]

should be yeah

[crystal quiver]

hows that work

[tribal blade]

happened to me last tier

[crystal atlas]

Any tips for naellus?

[crystal quiver]

is it just random looted tier?

[tribal blade]

if it's working the same way any boss can drop any piece as warbound

[soft garnet]

I know but unsure if that's just the current tuning or im doing something wrong

or is sub just especially weak in that area

[keen dome]

When you kill a boss it has a chance to roll a bonus loot drop that is Warbound one tier below your current difficulty and it can be a tier token

But it can be anything on their loot table. ANYTHING

[fiery fog]

normal

[frosty sinew]

i got my rank 1 heroic parse out of the way day 1

[keen dome]

I'm happy with just killing stuff haha

[frosty sinew]

before people could get lucky on tier

(on my alt rogue so noone will ever see it)

[fiery fog]

i didnt log my paladins kill though
i had like 85k dps on that fight

[keen dome]

Nice

[last marten]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[keen dome]

Lightblinded is so funny to me. 24 and 50 are like, 3k DPS difference.

[soft garnet]

er so is my sim decent? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/19TduKbg3nsEFCbJ2Xpia7

[lusty acorn]

What consubaples to raid rogue?

[keen dome]

Yes, but it's just a sim.

[soft garnet]

So my stats/etc are looking alright?

[frosty sinew]

save cds for add phases, use shadowdance to transfer aggro to valeera if running out of her heals, can kite boss with sprint to let valeera revive if pools are under her or evasion revive if not or just to give her time to heal you.

also if you don't care about the achievement you can always do it in a group and still get the crests

[keen dome]

Do you have the right amount of haste? If yes, probably.

[soft garnet]

561 haste atm :(

should I try gem/ench for 700

[frosty sinew]

can use haste flask and be fine

[lilac kestrel]

!log

[amber oak]

big question that bothers me. Do we still play around the apex proc and dont double dump eviscerate while lusted?

[frosty sinew]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[verbal kelp]

How strong is 2p and 4p in terms of % dps increase?

[lilac kestrel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/edit?usp=drivesdk

[vale osprey]

It's fine but you're using simbait trinket

[verbal kelp]

Oh wow 11% dps increase

[void ocean]

morining kings

[vale osprey]

We're huge on tier yeah

[verbal kelp]

Do we get a catalyst next week?

At least I can get 2p that way haha

[lilac kestrel]

You can get it by hitting 1600 in pvp, but that's the only way to get the KSM catalyst charge this week

[verbal kelp]

How difficult is that

In rated bgs/arena?

[lilac kestrel]

Its only 1600, not too difficult. You might even have fun XD

Yeah bgs or arena

it may take a few hours

[fresh canyon]

Probably a dumb question but; do you aim for ~700 haste rating without flask/buff or with? I have slightly above 700 now but sim worse than when I had less

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

if you're not a pvper it won't be easy

[fathom adder]

that renown 7 voidstorm trinket and its upgrades, is it 1 per week?

[tribal blade]

i think so yeah

[fathom adder]

thank you

[fair cobalt]

2 per week

[tribal blade]

or i lied

[fair cobalt]

1 from the weekly event, second from the 3 world quest quests that you can pick up from him

[tribal blade]

sims for sub are kinda weird atm, the sim will sometimes want people to go down lower in haste

it's a situation where in a perfect world if you do everything pixel perfect the simmed amount will be better

but real world is not perfect

having more cushion for dance can be better

[fallow nimbus]

The sim should aim for 650-700 like old reforge shit did. Man, reforging would be godlike now

Like an overwrite

Sim perfect scenario than add human error

I'll probably go with mastery flask and gemming haste/x with mastery/crit gems when i go too high in haste but for simming gear that will be a nightmare

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm trying to think how to do sims where i can figure out what i need keeping my haste at roughly 700

[barren haven]

The upgrades are only relevant for questing in voidstorm, don’t they?

Expect for ilvl upgrades

[fallow nimbus]

Or take sim gear, then add a haste ring

[limpid sage]

Makes no difference if you gain the stats through your gear or flask

[tribal blade]

those upgrades affect the trinket in all content

[tribal blade]

lol yeah i was thinking about doing something cheesy like that

or change all your gems and enchants to non haste

[mental kettle]

anything over 700 haste is totally wasted right?\

[tribal blade]

and then use the gear it suggests and add on haste gem+enchants to get back up or something

[tribal blade]

not totally wasted, but less efficient

[mental kettle]

ok thnx

[tribal blade]

haste does still buff snd and base attack speed

which means more sht and energy

[mental kettle]

can you get 2 Sectec in SB without lust?

[tribal blade]

and more apex

[mental kettle]

if you dont have set

[tribal blade]

i don't think w/o set no

i haven't even been trying yet until i have 4pc

[mental kettle]

yeah with lust its like

50/50

and you have to watch you dont GCD yourself

annoying

[tribal blade]

can imagine yeah

this is a short term problem so i wouldn't worry

[mental kettle]

i have zero loot from nm, lfr, the 4 bosses I did on HC so far, and delve map was heroic weapon

[edgy star]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[mental kettle]

as in no tier or heroic pieces to tierify

[soft garnet]

best build for the last boss of voidspire?

dps feels a bit low

[mental kettle]

everyone on logs is using trickster veiltouched

[soft garnet]

that the one on the sub faq?

[fallow nimbus]

The good thing is, the higher we go in itemlvl the easier it will be to get to 700 haste

[soft garnet]

also you kinda need the adds closer right

to make use of it or nah

[mental kettle]

no idea i didnt copy the faq build

i was looking at logs atm since i think all faq builds / sim builds assume 4pc and good gear

[fallow nimbus]

In 12.3 we go a few haste items + flask and rest full mast/crit maybe even vers

[hard inlet]

Yo! so how are the specs looking in the raid compared to eachother?

[fresh canyon]

Thanks for the answers! 🙂

[tribal blade]

this is the most popular build for heroic

[vale osprey]

Potentially, but we might also naturally get enough haste to reach another GCD breakpoint

[hard inlet]

looks legit

[tribal blade]

not this tier no

[vale osprey]

That's not what he said

"in 12.3"

[tribal blade]

oh right

[mossy spruce]

feel kinda dumb rn, for some reason i thought SD lasted for 10 secs... explains my dmg

[tribal blade]

it does if you have the first dance talented

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[mossy spruce]

maybe thats where i got it from then, we're not supposed to have it talented in raid tho right?

[tribal blade]

you can if the fight will be very short

right now no fight is short

[tribal blade]

herro UwU

[mossy spruce]

gotya, thanks!

[limpid sage]

👉🏼 👈🏼 😳

[hollow spear]

The more I play this new iteration, the less I like the hasted sectec

[short radish]

think it's worth holding sblade/2nd pot for a later lust?

for like 30 seconds

[warm marlin]

If you have guidon the lust bonus isn’t that big since you 2x sectec cds already

[short radish]

i do not

but noted for when i do

[warm marlin]

If you’re talking about alleria, think it is worth since you only get 2 blades in p3 anyway

[short radish]

i am talking about alleria

[radiant swift]

can u not double stec with just tier anyway ? do u need the haste on use

[warm marlin]

I think I cast essentially on cd and lust was around 6mins no

[void ocean]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[hollow spear]

What's the sectec cooldown with 650-700 haste and guidon?

[warm marlin]

Like 15s?

Maybe 16-17

Something like that

[fleet acorn]

guys why would be buy R2 enchant for? Enchant Ring - Eyes of the Eagle

both give 1%

[warm marlin]

It’s actually 0.75% and 1.25%

Just rounds

Tooltip bad

[fleet acorn]

oh good to know thx

[hollow spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3AUxrjHdfdGVvK49FeYwJR

I know it's only one iteration, but isn't the sim kinda inting the blades windows?

[alpine wraith]

as usual

[hollow spear]

Sectec cooldown should be lower, but it seems to delay it until blades is basically over and clones are outside of its duration

[alpine wraith]

it does some weird things but it is mostly fine

[keen dome]

8% dragons wipe, woe is the world, woe is me.

[fallow ingot]

Hi there, since vessel is a good trinket, i made an addon for the orb proc. It play a murloc sound in the dialog sound channel. https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/vessel-of-tortured-souls-tracker

[hollow spear]

Can you change the sound in its UI?

[fallow ingot]

Its not customable yet, i dont have much knowledge in addon dev

But u Can change the sound id easily in the code

Vessel tracer.lua

Change the id in the play sound function

local frame = CreateFrame("Frame")
frame:RegisterEvent("SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN")

frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, spellID, baseSpellID, category, startRecoveryCategory)
    if spellID == 1265513 or baseSpellID == 1265513 
    then
        PlaySound(416, "Dialog")
    end
end)

[oak sorrel]

what is the next gcd breakpoint after 700

[tacit thistle]

Great addon, thanks 🙂 Might be an idea to throw some sound codes in the description until you have a functioning dropdown menu in-game (if that's your goal)

[fallow ingot]

Id Can ne found online or in wowhead/wow api

[fallow ingot]

Tbf i will need to ask some addons dev how can i make it customizable

[hollow spear]

1150-1200

[ivory garnet]

any changes for m+ talent or raid ?

[tacit thistle]

Throw it in Claude and ask it to include LibSharedMedia and an in-game menu for sound selection, don't be afraid to vibe code it

Will take 5 mins and it'll work

[fallow ingot]

Is claude free ?

[tacit thistle]

To an extent yes, I think it has usage limits

But will be fine for your use-case

[fallow ingot]

Tbh you can do it if you want, its opensource

[tacit thistle]

If I finally decide which spec I'm playing I may do 🙂

Currently bouncing between Assa and Sub for progging

[fallow ingot]

Claude its an addon for visual studio ?

[tacit thistle]

It's an AI focused on code

https://claude.ai/new

[fallow ingot]

Will check it later when im on the computer

[tacit thistle]

Good luck 🙂 Just tell it what you want and be ready to do a few back and forths with it

And be sure to specify Midnight game version etc as I found sometimes it defaulted to TWW

[fallow ingot]

The hardest job was to find the event in game lmao

[tacit thistle]

Yeah I made a couple of addons myself and when I got stuck I just threw it in Claude and asked for help 😂

[fallow ingot]

This work on dummies and open World. Will need to test in m+/raid

[tacit thistle]

It's a decent way to learn code, obviously it'll throw in redundancies and won't be the most optimal in it's methods

But as you yourself get better at it, you'll spot them and may not even need the help

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[boreal narwhal]

Thanks for the tips yesterday. Finally got that fucker down

[thorny ridge]

Tell me, why should I enter the dance with 0 combo points in DS?

[jade urchin]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[tepid trellis]

shadowstrikes from DS does quite alot more dmg than it does on trickster

[fallow nimbus]

But ds wants to storm, i think

[keen dome]

🙏

What an obnoxious fight

[dense jasper]

i'm +1 ilvl and youre simming 10k more than i am. wild

[dense jasper]

nvm boo this man you have 4 pc

[hollow spear]

Stop attacking mate

[hollow spear]

Tier set big

[sour horizon]

Atleast my rng is blessed for mounts and I have a ghost chicken

Never loot

[keen dome]

never, i'm in my berserker rage

[dry flame]

gratz dud!

loot?

[keen dome]

Gloves!

Basically the best thing I could get from them

Def feels like the fight is frontloaded with difficulty. The second and third (enrage) cycle are way easier as Dread Breath is either always on the tank (second cycle) or barely happens.

Once you get to the final cycle and people are in the flow they feel pretty easy and should fall over since you can put them in cleave range

[golden coral]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[keen dome]

I didn't try it but I'm def going to try in the future: What if we step vaelgor when targetted with dread breath. In theory it should just rotate him 180 immediately and aim away from the raid in an instant, right?

[void ocean]

just tell everyone to use defs and keep dpsing

[mighty citrus]

I just pulled it yesterday eve 2-3 times. How did you survive the Whiteswings? They just kill me 😅

[vagrant fossil]

Just wanted to get a clarification. So Vessel isn't entirely sim bait or what are the thoughts on it?

[keen dome]

I personally think it's simbait until Blizz hotfix the visual on the souls, but ymmv.

[vagrant fossil]

Feels like most of the time I sit at 1 or 2 stacks. But I also could be better at noticing them. I considered the addon above, but I also don't like using sounds

[keen dome]

Entirely possible it's just a skill issue on my part but I found it completely useless in chaotic content and most raid fights during my testing.

[hollow spear]

Sim assumed something like 3.5 stacks or so on average

Would have to check again, but I remember checking the html

[alpine wraith]

it ramps to 3

and stays there for the most part

sometimes goes to 4 but not for long yea

[boreal narwhal]

Went with this Valeera build and tricksed her the entire fight. The Mantle of stars curio usually keeps you alive when Valeera is down and you res her. I also made sure to have around 310k+ hp. Shadow dance pretty much resets all aggro from you during its duration too so you can take advantage of that

Also make sure to get food buff + campfire buff and use consumes for an easier time

[dreamy stump]

hey guys, is it better to keep SB 30 more sec to sync it with racial/trinket or dont care ?

[quiet pagoda]

Hey ! Should I make macroses for shadow dance + finishers, or SD + Secret tech is enough ?

[short radish]

no

anything 2min is now a 3min

[dreamy stump]

aight i see thanks

ill just macro to sb and dont think about it then

[alpine wraith]

you can macro dance+evis too or dance+bp but it is not as prevalent as dance+sectech

[quiet pagoda]

thanks !

[alpine wraith]

you kinda only dance+finish not being sec tech on second dance if you dont have 4 tier set and guidon

[fallow ingot]

Its working lmao

[open coyote]

hey guys, would you use an early catalyst on hero legs for 2 set? i probably won't get tier legs (since i got hero here already) from the boss, so it's just weather or not to get the 2 set for monday and gamble i don't see tier legs as the only hero tier option wednesday

[azure thicket]

no legs are our free spot this season

get the legs off pit of saron

i think hero legs are played with outlaw only..assass takes from another dungeon

[olive canyon]

just wait for reset for tier, pray its in your vault

[open coyote]

yeah i get that but the 2 set seems super strong still so wondering if there's a chance it could be worth

[azure thicket]

wouldn't use a cata charge on it

[olive canyon]

2k rating gets you another piece then you cata the last for 4p

[azure thicket]

hit a 5 and drop some hero gear for yourself on reset

[olive canyon]

that is the best play although im right with you, im resisting the urge to cata

[fallow ingot]

@tacit thistle

[open coyote]

cheers

[azure thicket]

if you still have your bountiful map for delves

[open coyote]

yeah exactly, especially since i have hit some high logs in the early season (on normal tho /shrug) so i wanna try and keep those

[azure thicket]

can also appear a piece of hero gear this week

[open coyote]

nah i used everything already

maxed guidon i got first kill

[tepid quartz]

anyone know the % upgrade for 2pc/4pc?

[tacit thistle]

🙂

[azure thicket]

someone said 9% for 2 set yesterday

[tropic field]

If i sim 59k dps with 248 ilvl, am i doing something wrong then?

[shadow snow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[azure thicket]

i think as long as you're hitting around that consistently

then it's fine

[alpine wraith]

wait until vault maybe you get tier there natty

[alpine wraith]

around 8-9% for 2p 7 to 8 for 4p

for tricskter in total around 16-17%

DS a bit less

[finite crow]

Do we craft our belt already?

[azure thicket]

sim it

maybe?

[short radish]

@tribal blade behold my absolute scuffed and fucked opener for the kill on cosmos

[olive canyon]

why is yours higher than the images

is this updated?

[quiet pagoda]

Should I proc apex for aoe spenders with supercharged cp's ?

[short radish]

@lilac stag

[tribal blade]

LOL oh no

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

using puzzlebox mid dance

what a chad

[azure thicket]

homerun trinket play

[olive canyon]

but pot also after sectec

[short radish]

the sectech into puzzlebox into potion

[olive canyon]

that is unfortunate

[bleak night]

incredibly based

[short radish]

it's because my muscle memory is to press potion after channeling box

[bleak night]

this is the type of sandbagging that should make the discord proud

no heroic week nerfs this time

[short radish]

i do it for the team

[olive canyon]

I burn way more pots but i bind pot to blades

[tribal blade]

tRiNkEtS wItH cAsT tImEs ArE fUn AnD eNgAgIng

[olive canyon]

ive moved out the trinket from the macro in anticipation of a trinket ill never have

[short radish]

still somehow purple parsed with that

[cold citrus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/whats-in-the-box-ge91zAgmwUqLMqiH2c

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing it's not like TWW sub

you can mess up blades window and recover

[short radish]

yeah less emphisis in the burst

also do i take the trinket to not have to deal wiht this bullshit?

[tribal blade]

oh yeah fs

0.2% is margin of error

take taht shit off

[bleak night]

easily

thats not a choice at all

[short radish]

margin of an omega fuck up

[tribal blade]

hahaha

redo parse next week

beat the chinese rogues

get 100

[short radish]

[sleek socket]

wtf if i have bad item stats but ilvl 250
i can free upgrade every item (same slot) to ilvl 250?

[boreal narwhal]

I was surprised at how shit the puzzle box felt to activate. Even gotta wait for the global cd before using it

[fringe shale]

"Hold on guys gotta solve my Rubix cube before we pull"

[tribal blade]

yes it'll just cost gold

not crests

[woven sonnet]

is the simulationcraft client not optimized for ancient arts? wouldnt there have to be atleast one sequence of 2 shadowstrikes in a row?

[sleek socket]

but i can repeat it right ? like if i get another shoulder again i can just free it?

[tribal blade]

yeah it's forever free

[sleek socket]

ty very much

[tribal blade]

once you get it to that ilvl once

[alpine wraith]

tbh im curious about that trinket

how much cdr can you even getr

as DS you force so many crits

even with our shit crit rn

[short radish]

i dont want to play DS

[alpine wraith]

and trickster gets 10% extra for free

+the one on talent tree for builders

[tribal blade]

another tier of "DS is probably better"

everyoen still plays trickster 🙂

[sleek socket]

why for some reason, i have finger 253, and the other finger 246, and it let me free upgrade it to 250, but cost 20crest for 253?

[tribal blade]

you need the same ilvl in both slots to unlock it for both

[sleek socket]

tnx

[tribal blade]

so you would need to get a 2nd ring that's 250

then both slots are free upgrades to 250

same with trinkets

[sleek socket]

so i can use crest early, cuz u basicly lvl up the ilvl of a slot and not just for specific item?

[tribal blade]

yeah you're leveling the slot

not the item correct

[sleek socket]

great mechanic, ty!

[tribal blade]

well i should say you're leveling BOTH at the same time 😉

[lyric bough]

Anyone else struggling to do dps in the 1st boss of raid? No teir