subtlety

[keen dome]

I micromanage my groups to the detriment of my damage

[high prawn]

yeah, waiting till gcd comes off than press sd + sectec

[tribal blade]

fs that's RL life

[marble sail]

[vale pine]

nicu

[marble sail]

with avoidance

gg

[tribal blade]

very hard to say w/o a log

[keen dome]

Pulling Lightblinded and one tank immediately runs off one direction and the other goes the other, splitting the bosses

Makes me scream

Saladbar 2.0 was a fucking joke

[high prawn]

i wasnt loggint that, just first try on a raid, i'll get some logs from normal raid, cause i'm underwhelming with my dps xd

[keen dome]

I need to check my logs but they're gonna be bad

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

urgh, do I really have to use the entire Archon app to upload logs now..

[daring tusk]

anyone getting bugs with threat in the delve boss?

[tribal blade]

oh vessel is our new bis passive? sad

[daring tusk]

can't pass it off with tricks, insta swaps when i press SD

[hollow spear]

Please tell me you're mistaken

[tribal vortex]

anywhere we can see how manyppl have killed the delve boss?

[honest void]

tricks is kinda wierd when valeera dies

[keen dome]

I can't find the lightweight standalone client anymore, just the trash Archon

[honest void]

and can become a pain to give it back to her

[hollow spear]

I still have it installed, maybe it keeps on working then 😮

[keen dome]

Yeah maybe

[woeful rain]

idk my valeera perma dies as healer, watched a video on yt and his valeera never dies during whole fight

wth

[native zodiac]

anyone done the pvp quest for the crafting mats? where do you get the starter?

[mental saddle]

they hotfixed her and she doesnt pick up her orbs

[keen dome]

oh I forgot to turn logging on anyway lmao

[bleak night]

idk man i legit just looked on their website and the download link is still there

[keen dome]

For the OG?

Link me to it

'Cos all I can find is a link to Archon

[bleak night]

wait no

i be silly

i saw someone mention warcraft recorder earlier and got it mixed up

[karmic harbor]

how do you unlock nightmare difficulty

[bleak night]

you just mean warcraft logs uploader ye

i guess this will be the replacement

[keen dome]

Yeah

I'll just wait for that

[bleak night]

good to know i should back it up though

[wicked urchin]

Not used to actually getting gear this early

254.63

Not too shabby

[pure moat]

Have go get to Level 4 in the journey

[brazen wasp]

20 min ago it was 2167

[keen dome]

I need to do Dreamrift next but man Voidspire was so draining.

So many people just refuse to pay attention to ANY explaination of mechanics, then fuck up, and refuse to learn

[torn tide]

amazing

[hollow spear]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-this-photo-i-dont-like-it-dinosandcomics-dinosaur-gif-19587179

[woeful rain]

do we even try to ressurect Valeera, or just kite meanwhile

[torn tide]

people are gonna be the same way in mythic+

[fallow nimbus]

how the fuck did people do the ?? delve, my lvl 20 valeera is perma dead

[daring tusk]

also why does the dude stand right on top of her when she's dead

[celest ice]

i can get it to the point where i kill the last add but then he enrages? and just oneshots me

[fallow nimbus]

valeera dies and boss autohits me into cheat death while i rezz

with a cheesed lvl 45 valeera it probably is easy

[hollow spear]

I can see the future patch changes:

Rogue Subtlety 12.0 Class Set 4pc: Shadow Blades has 4.0 2.0 sec increased duration and causes your attacks to deal an additional 6.0 3.0 % damage as Shadow.

[true coral]

yeah, my Valeera gets destryoed fairly quickly

I can juggle the aggro fairly well, but she never heals

[lilac stag]

even in 10-11 delves she went from don’t think about her to watching her fall over with 2 packs.

tanks can fill out the HoF after whatever fix was sent out.

[mystic remnant]

Use Val as an Healer

[tawny yacht]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cursive wagon]

Hello, the sim tells me to craft 2 daggers rather than 1 dagger 1 belt as the guide says.

[merry agate]

valeera got a new one ripped but hey 🫡

[vale hull]

was with you as a rogue

[cursive wagon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j4CEUNXrZ4yKqAXC9ybfyo

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nFeV8e9HdzNqm6bpA7J2Eu

[lilac stag]

Sims are based on your current gear. If after one day of heroic week you feel the need to need to craft 2 daggers you certainly can

Or you upgrade your veteran to max ilvl

and craft a leather item

[hollow spear]

crafting a 2nd dagger is definitely int

[karmic harbor]

do people have lvl 4 on the prey track?

[cursive wagon]

OK thank you

[true coral]

Do we use the hero crests to recraft our dagger or do we wait for myth crests?

[sour swift]

Idk i'm on 3 ½

[hollow spear]

myth

[calm cloud]

no fucking way, had him to 30% with valera nonstop dying, vanished (while valera was alive) and then he reset

[lilac stag]

2nd int dagger would be really really bad

[calm cloud]

on first tr

[true coral]

ty!

[hollow spear]

but highly intelligent

[tribal vortex]

did you do it now ?

[lilac stag]

mage story arc

[tribal vortex]

with the healing hotfix?

[fallow nimbus]

i have her on heal but she doesn't heal herself

once she flops it spirales down on ??

[lilac stag]

yeah she just lets herself rot

[keen dome]

Oh, rad. You did great!

[lilac stag]

they apparently made the healer role a dps trying to heal a +20

[tribal vortex]

they hotfixed

[merry agate]

??? dunno rezzed her like 4-5 times

[tribal vortex]

and she cant heal herself

[keen dome]

Even if you did win the tier token

[tribal vortex]

i have her like level 20 and i would have to rez her like 20 times i think

[fallow nimbus]

i tried it on my dh and got clapped after the hunt, neat instant oneshot

[worldly hinge]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[tribal vortex]

I feel like it is better not using tricks on her now

[limpid sage]

what was the hotfix exactly?

[karmic harbor]

im on 2.5

fml

[stone niche]

how do you not get oneshot in last phase if youre tanking boss tho

[fallow nimbus]

even without tricks i can't hold aggro in dance and after that i get this

[sour swift]

Idk if 4 is possible.

[craggy thunder]

did u guys use all your sparks? or just used em for dagger?

[merry agate]

she healed herself i guess? thats hotfixed? only on player or what

[tribal vortex]

yeah she cant pick up her heals now

[tribal vortex]

I mean she cant heal herself now so you cant go tricks on her she dies every 20 sec

[verbal kelp]

is vessel the best trinket we can get from mythic plus?

[celest ice]

mine is 16

[tribal vortex]

i mean it was easy when she healed herself

[celest ice]

just got it to 1% so i guess with bit more gear or levels to Valeera its gg

[fallow nimbus]

as sub?

[celest ice]

yes

[fallow nimbus]

i have 700 haste and in the opener i am so much in dance that valeera goes like down to 10% hp

[hoary orchid]

guys im a bit confused, just did a bountiful 8 and it gave no hero crests. Did all nemesis, wasnt it supposed to give 8 hero crests?

[celest ice]

like many here pointed out, while in dance he hits valeera if you dont use tricks, so it alternates between me and valeera, i use CD's on pull and on adds, when last add comes ill lust and try burn it down

every time he hits you low you pick up heart and go full insta, its bit finnicky but doable,, stupid that its so easy for tank classes

[keen dome]

damn, 3 sub rogues in a single raid. this is unheard of

wait the 3rd left

sad.

[celest ice]

i'd rather him have actual mechanics than his white hits demolishing you

[tribal vortex]

I am having trouble killing the first adds even

yeah not a good fight

a bit stupid

[stone niche]

i feel like letting her tank would be a lot easier than juggling threat with dance, but my issue is that she just doesnt hold aggro outside dance with tricks

[fallow nimbus]

?? mode? i have 245 itemlvl and even with valeera alive, flask up i get autohits like a truck

[tribal vortex]

yeah but you have dance and pots

[lilac stag]

Back to a class that does dmg

[fallow nimbus]

you die to the dot with tank valeera

[tribal vortex]

i mean pots that she throws

no you have her as healer

tank is undoable for sure

[karmic harbor]

whats the best way to get coffer shards

[lilac stag]

do content

just about every world reward has them

[stone niche]

aight i had the god pull

[calm cloud]

even when playing it like that valera heals for nothing

i face tanked him for like 20 sec and she stayed on 10% nonstop

[tribal anchor]

pulls were 10x better when u only tricks the adds, just tank the boss between dances imo

[fleet acorn]

guys question when i have the chance to use adventure gear 237 6/6 (correct stats) or veteran 240 3/6 with wrong stats like vers/crit - what item should i pick?

[fleet wharf]

sim it

[tribal vortex]

yeah seems to be like it

what is your ilvl

[tribal anchor]

242

[fleet acorn]

this is not a sim question

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal vortex]

it is though :p

[fleet wharf]

how is it not? you plug both in, choose the one that puts out higher number

[tribal vortex]

weap ilvl ?

also valeera ilvl ?

she dies too much

[stable marlin]

Gang Im at work for another 8 hours, is my chance at delve HoF cooked?

[tribal vortex]

now its like 2800 out of 4k

[hollow spear]

Outlaw tier confirmed

[vast basin]

yo guys do i press this before cd?

[vale pine]

yes

you need to use it slightly before dance

else the haste does not paply

*apply

[vast basin]

Alright, so press this then cd macro

?

[vale pine]

you can't macro it to dance

[vast basin]

ye ye

[vale pine]

because it takes like 0.2 sec to get the haste applied

[vast basin]

press this manually then ican press my cds

[tribal vortex]

you can ahve 2 macros , one for sb and one for sd and st

[vast basin]

ye i have those 2

[tribal vortex]

you are ok with these 2

[verbal kelp]

hello, just checking that 255 is the max you can craft the belt without crests? want to make sure i didnt mess up anything 😄

[pearl iris]

Any idea what this is? essentially saying Secret Tech damage that accounts for around 5% of my overall

[sour void]

Did Blizz fix Valera or something else ? She cant take more then 5 Hits for me

[vast sequoia]

waddup yall, is it worth crafting anything this week, or holding onto sparks?

[analog granite]

Dunno how accurate this is with the low amount of logs available but looool unholy

[tribal vortex]

yeah she cant pick up pots

[sour void]

So essentially the fight is no longer possible for rogues ?

[hazy breach]

Thats what happens when the person logging is more than 100 yards away from the rogue

It is just your regular sectech

[pearl iris]

Ahh makes sense because its like "downstairs" in the dream rift

[stable marlin]

I’ll also say after using this you have to deliberately wait just a little, if you hit blades and immediately hit dance after you will not extended duration

[cursive vapor]

hell yeah, B stands for Bubtlety Rogue

[tribal vortex]

it is doable but maybe a bit more ilvl

and also not use tricks would bne my suggestion

[pearl iris]

Sorry wdym?

[keen dome]

only a single rogue token dropped on the entireity of normal, sad.

[tribal vortex]

maybe you need more stats

like a bit more stamina

[vale pine]

not very accurate

[tribal vortex]

and more dmg

[lilac stag]

30 player raid dropping 2 tier per kill is sad

[analog granite]

Archon is just based on available logs right

[pearl iris]

I was talking about a raid log from our dreamrift clear on heroic

[analog granite]

So guess it gets more accurate as time goes on

[lilac stag]

Yes

[keen dome]

Yeah, man. It sucks.

[tribal vortex]

lol wrong tag my bad

[tribal vortex]

I wanted to reply here 😛

[lilac stag]

If you convert lower crests to vet crests, do those ignore the cap

[tribal vortex]

it says yes

[lilac stag]

my brain hit a void in remembering

[vast basin]

i thopught the time i move my fingers to the keybind of my cds is enough for it to activate

no?

its is 0.2 sec

[tribal vortex]

previous seasons was not like that

[lilac stag]

hmm

must have missed that in the tooltip with the chaos that was yesterday

[sour void]

When i get more ilvl the 4000 ppl are already full because tanks can clear this without having to worry, sadge

[tribal vortex]

I checked the tooltip like an hour ago

[tribal blade]

ok i fucking hate valeera

[tribal vortex]

yeah but also this fight was broken for rogue this way

[tribal blade]

just lvled up delves to 11

[tribal vortex]

i mean you didnt noeed to do anythuing

[tribal blade]

and she's the absolute worst

this is brann all over again

[sour void]

Didnt hunters also have missdirect ?

So they should have had the same easy expierience

[lilac stag]

hunters got fucked by being mail

[lime magnet]

misdirection lasts 8 seconds, tricks lasts 60 minutes

[swift tinsel]

Previously no they still counted towards cap

I assume that’s still the case

[tribal vortex]

there is a tooltip now saying it goes above

i dont know f i trust them though

[swift tinsel]

When buying from vaskarn?

Very sus

[tribal vortex]

Yeah

[stoic anchor]

What are some good parsing tips for normal?

for each encounter

What we should focus on right now xd

[tropic field]

Will crafted dagger + 1 from voidspire be bis?

[oblique cloud]

I have some of the vet ones from adventurer and it won’t let me use the item because I’m capped.

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that’s 100% happened to me

[formal raven]

So I just got hte puzzlebox with some leech, but when do i actually press it in the opener?

[lilac stag]

We don’t do BiS

[swift tinsel]

Which is why I’m suspicious

[lilac stag]

Mythic track Dagger + Crafted is the setup

[tribal vortex]

let me send ss

[lilac stag]

I’ll right a prey to cap my crests the try it

Need to wake up first

[stable marlin]

I’m just going off my experience from raid last night I got the trinket and when I was slamming blades and hitting my secret tech dance macro right after I was not getting the extra duration unless I intentionally waited

[tribal blade]

i love the fact that post was riddled by spelling errors followed up by "need to wake up first"

[vast basin]

oh i see

ty

[waxen matrix]

Guys, is Vessel of Tortured Souls a sim bait? It Sims way too good, no way we get 100% uptime on that

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal ya paladins might be a little bit cooked (normal)

tier set will save us

[tribal vortex]

ah lol

i am reading the wrong item

my bad

[warm marlin]

[lilac stag]

Can’t be arsed to fix iPhone typos. They need to fix their swipe

[hazy breach]

Fairly sure its not 100% hitting everything by default in the sim

[tribal blade]

bro sub rogue is mega depression on that boss sad

[tribal blade]

haha fair fair

[hazy breach]

But yes its still probably not ideal

[lilac stag]

Worse part of the 26.x updates

[karmic harbor]

What's the quickest delve to get to 8

[swift tinsel]

That’s the downgrade, not the upgrade conversion

[lilac stag]

especially with large hands

[tribal blade]

i don't have small hands so every mouse doesn't fit

my hand has to scrunch up to use it

[tribal vortex]

yeah yeah i am just stupid

[swift tinsel]

Also is a 400 crest cap on champ an oopsie

By Blizz

[lilac stag]

Why I use the scimitar. Was only multi button that didn’t feel like I was trying to squeeze a 400lb wrestler into a Volkswagen rabbit

[tribal blade]

i thought it was because it's been that long since crests have been out

[swift tinsel]

That would make some sense

[tribal blade]

good idea

[lilac stag]

People were assuming 100

[tribal blade]

just. guessing though

it'll make gearing a lot easier

i thought it would be 100 too

[swift tinsel]

Esp with how the game throws handfuls of champ track gear at you

Can get 8 pieces from delves this week alone

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm at 250 right now and haven't sent any champ crests yet

[swift tinsel]

Plus daily lockout m0

[tribal blade]

want to get as many upgrades first before sending them

[swift tinsel]

And 2x nightmare preys

I’m waiting til after raid Thursday to send my champs

[tribal blade]

i got lucky today on the farm before raid and got no overlapping pieces of gear for slots

[swift tinsel]

Well start sending them

[tribal blade]

so every single piece of champ/hero piece i got went into a veteran slot

[lilac stag]

Assa tier in 10-14 days.

[swift tinsel]

I got 3 trinkets including one hero trinket and they were all dps losses lol

[tribal blade]

this

[swift tinsel]

2x champ weps tho which is nice

But cucked on haste

[lime magnet]

I'd probably be ilvl 250 rn without champ crests sent if it werent foir the fact that I got 2 shoulders and a belt out of my bountifuls

[lilac stag]

Crest saver at least

[daring tusk]

what did you do in the last phase? i hold everything to burn, get to about 10% and valeera dies. then i'm cooked

[chilly dagger]

Is there a Delve that is the "easiert/fastest" for us with Companion as Healer?

[swift tinsel]

Nullaeus has to be closed soon

[lilac stag]

the one in the main city with the bomb story

[swift tinsel]

Was at 2300 7 hours ago ish

[daring tusk]

NA is closed, EU is at 3k or something

[swift tinsel]

Ah forgot eu went live while I was asleep lol

[chilly dagger]

is it the calamity one on top left of Silvermoon?

[lilac stag]

wait Na is actually closed? lulz

[swift tinsel]

That’s the college one

[tribal blade]

yeah delve hof is a complete meme

[frigid ingot]

Anyone has a wa for rogue ui that shows also shadow technicues like shindi's?

[swift tinsel]

Calamitous is in west voidstorm

[chilly dagger]

that would be the fastest/easiert for us? Is that with the bombs?

[prime pier]

Do I always neeed to makee suree to have 2 shadow dances when using shadow blades?

[swift tinsel]

College is fast

[lilac stag]

WAs don’t exist. Ask whoever you’re watching. Likely a paywalled addon

[swift tinsel]

Or it’s arcui

[tribal anchor]

kite as much as i can in between dances, full uptime on dr, get a bit lucky unfortunately

[lilac stag]

anyone that has more than 10 followers has a !ui command for their channel

Just ask the source. Haha

[olive canyon]

lfr and nightmare preys to do and im 245, this luck is kind of obnoxious. Just keep getting the same slot

[daring tusk]

ok cheers! did you just ignore the last add?

[tribal anchor]

no i pot and drums it

[hallow matrix]

im gonna crash out

unless someone tells me how to make valeera heal

[tribal vortex]

you killed add during intermission ? i gueess no

[daring tusk]

ok saw people were just burning boss but maybe with the changes, thats the way to go

[sacred magnet]

what can i do if my valeera gets oneshotted by nullaeus? she is level 16

[fathom adder]

black powder stays at 2 targets and shadowstrike from 1-3 with the changes, right?

[lilac stag]

res her

[karmic harbor]

why would they make it so only 1 person can click a prey trap

oh my god

[swift tinsel]

By having one billion traps on the map

[tribal anchor]

it died like just after i have to kick the boss

[lilac stag]

just run over the traps. big brain

[karmic harbor]

1 billion traps doesnt matter if there are 1 billion players

[swift tinsel]

Click faster

Higher mouse DPI

FPS trainer for it

[idle aurora]

Last night there were so many traps down it’s effing redicilous

[swift tinsel]

There were multiple times I could click two of them by barely moving

There’s so fucking many

[tribal vortex]

its nice now they added them to the map

[fiery fog]

big dagger

lets just hope its in the first m+ vault

[stoic anchor]

Yes but transmog to dreadblades L

[lilac stag]

I wonder if this was patched. There were none out when I was doing they right after restart

[fiery fog]

thunderfury mog

[stoic anchor]

And your pfp is chad mogging so u need to mog us with the daggers too

[tribal vortex]

last question. Atro or numb ? both have a value not sure tho

[whole lichen]

joining the cool lounge 🤝

[tribal anchor]

i ran atro

[swift tinsel]

I wouldn’t be surprised, they weren’t on the map right away either

[verbal kelp]

What crests should we choose from the community engagement reward? hero or champion

[swift tinsel]

Hero imo

Champ you get thrown at you like parade candy

[marble sail]

how tf do u do the delve boss when valeera dies 24/7

[swift tinsel]

By being big and strong and handsome

[stoic anchor]

Was it hard?

[verbal kelp]

sounds good

[karmic harbor]

ilvl?

[tribal vortex]

after the hotfix of valeera not being healed it is harder yeah

[stoic anchor]

Yooo im at work LET ME IN I CANT PLAY MISSING OUT FOMO FR FR

[modest river]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[stoic anchor]

Average employment cortisol high meme, your random unemployed friend on a wednesday morning meme

[whole lichen]

246 with crafted dagger

[whole lichen]

balance between having shadowdance to get up valeera - she was tanking

[stoic anchor]

may i ask respectully... what are those keybinds 💀 blades on f4

[whole lichen]

wdym

[stoic anchor]

All g my g , gz

Unusual, that's all

[tribal vortex]

Why the fuck do the first adds not die

I hate them

[lethal thorn]

isnt valeera heal immortal if you just trick her she can still tank it no ?

[flat crypt]

god feel like puzzle box can be so awkward to use

[hallow matrix]

how does shadowdance help you get valeera up?

[summer mason]

Can you use a non-dagger in the off-hand? Like a one-handed axe

[hazy breach]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[whole lichen]

after I get <20% during getting her up - I pop shadowdance to have negative aggro, so boss is instantly on valeera

[tribal blade]

you take no threat in dance so she'll start getting railed

[hazy breach]

So while yes you can use an axe, you lose like 10% of your energy and combo points

Better of buying a green dagger of the AH

[lethal thorn]

you can just trick of trade valeera as a healer and use the curio that make her pretty much immortal

[strange harness]

If i crafted the dagger should i craft waist or wait

[hallow matrix]

oh okay so no 1 hr tricks

[hallow matrix]

doesnt work anymore

[gilded wadi]

what curio exactly

mine jus fcking dies and that's all and i can't figure out how use sd properly

[tribal vortex]

yeah it needs management with dance

[tribal vortex]

i dont even have this curio xd

[lethal thorn]

i was pulling full room last week in delve 7 making her tank it has healer

[tribal vortex]

yeah but now she doesn't pick up the pots

so is ultra nerfed

I dont know how strong this curio is now tbh

[lethal thorn]

i mean i did a delve 7 yesterday (eu) and it still worked fine

[tribal vortex]

it was fixed this morning

after they saw that the delve is abused 😛

[lethal thorn]

theres no hotfix tho

[tribal vortex]

these are not annoucned half the times

she is not healed from her pots

[formal raven]

So, I got Vessel, and I got puzzlebox. I am not sure I want to play these at all, puzzlebox seems strange to cast midfight and collecting the shadows also seems to suck.
Besides that I have the feather haste trinket also. I kinda don't know how to go from here

[marble sail]

just not announced

[lethal thorn]

where the last hotfix on wowhead doesnt mention delve

[marble sail]

crazy that the not announced annoucement wasnt annouced

[tribal vortex]

yeah idk i cnat kill the first adds

it is unbelievable

I even use sb

[fallow ingot]

Hey there, in the wowhead guide it said : Encounters with Adds/AoE: Veiltouched → Potent Powder. But in logs they drop weaponmaster for Potent Powder most of the time.

[rough rivet]

i used everything besides lust for them. one add was at ~35% when boss was active again

[fathom adder]

is it normal in die ?ß delve for the second kurio to be blocked and to not be able to change specialisation from dd to heal ?

[main falcon]

I have a question about the macro.

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Secret Technique
/use Tempered Potion
/use 13
/use 14```

shouldn't it be 

```#showtooltip 
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/use Tempered Potion
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Secret Technique

Or does ST already benefit from trinkets and potion the way it's written in the wowhead guide?

[tribal vortex]

yeah me too, now i almost killed them so I will keep trying for a bit

I really think these adds and the last 10% are the hardest

[fallow ingot]

tbf haste trinket should be first for deeping shadow ?

[rough rivet]

ignore last add (as soon as boss is active) and you should be good.

[tribal vortex]

yeah havent reached that stage

did you change anything in talents? I have numbing and elusiveness

[rough rivet]

yeah i know. hardest part for me were the first adds. i took cheat death.

[hazy breach]

It wont gain the haste anyway

Deepening needs ~0.2 seconds to update, so you dont want to macro dance with anything that gives haste

[gilded wadi]

brother same here

it's jus stupid

[fallow ingot]

Oh i didn't know that

[hazy breach]

Use one macro with blades+pot+trinket > wait 0.2s > pop your regular dance+sectech macro

[hallow matrix]

my god

fuck taht little suckinmg orbn

hoyl god

get me out

[celest ice]

oh god i got the damm nulleus 😄 finally

[hallow matrix]

did u use 1hr tricks

[celest ice]

no

[hazy breach]

But the 0.2s is mostly the natural delay anyway

[hallow matrix]

when did u tridcks

[celest ice]

well yes, i tricksed adds and clicked it off as they were dying

[daring tusk]

first adds are easy for me, last 10% seems complete rng

[rough rivet]

i never used tricks, dance is enough to juggle aggro imo

[celest ice]

tricks are for adds

[tribal blade]

right now i'm doing a kind of scuffed hit trinket>blades>dance+sectec macro

might macro dance+sectec into blades

[fallow nimbus]

fuck this delve boss man, it's not even mechanical but this fucking autohit shit dmg

[rough rivet]

well yeah, can use it but i dont see a reason why tbh.

[celest ice]

yeah its stupid, rather have mechanic heavy like kyveza

[tribal vortex]

it is very hard to kill and tank adds when boss ends intermission

[lilac stag]

even the bosses got their buttons pruned.

[warm marlin]

i suppose it is probably not a good idea to autohotkey this or something

im probably going to press it too fast a lot

[lilac stag]

I did a few times last night

Poor trinket

[verbal kelp]

can we upgrade ilvl on our crafted (dagger/belt) with crests, and should we prioritise that versus upgrading other gear?

[lilac stag]

don’t spend hero crests on it if you don’t have to for whatever content you’re doing

[tribal blade]

i feel like right now pressing blades between trinket and dance+sectec macro is acting like a pseudo pause between the 2 for me

but feels like piano opener all over again

trying to hit those 3 buttons really fast

[keen dome]

Yeah

[sick jackal]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[lilac stag]

I almost want to do trinket and leave blades on the dance macro

[vale pine]

dagger is highest upgrade prio

[tribal blade]

could be the move

[vale pine]

only mainhand tho

then trinkets typically

[lilac stag]

I don’t like the forced pause with blades up but idk

[vale pine]

but if you crafted dagger, you re-craft it once you have myth crests

[south kernel]

i have a VERY odd question any clue how good the fiber of living agony is?

its a delve trinket

[fallow ingot]

What about :
/use 13
/use 14
/use pot
/cast shadowblades

other macro :
/Cast shadowdance
/cast Secret Technique

?

[south kernel]

and shit seems to proc ALOT

[stable marlin]

I made the mistake of hitting dance too quick as well, I like your idea because I’m assuming a large gain from the trinket is the dance duration rather so as long as both our dances are extended we are getting the value we want

[tribal blade]

it does feel awkward af

[hazy breach]

Is good, you can sim it

[vale pine]

i don't like

• the 1.2 sec gcd of coup
• Dm disapperaing
• Deeper being 0.1 sec intervals instead of always rounded to full sec
• Haste not applying immidiatly to dance
• The stance swap delays
• stealth related bugs
• not being able to secret every dance

(also some other things...)

[lilac stag]

yet we’re all still here. Well the 20 of us at some point.

[trim fractal]

Women

[cold trellis]

!fuu

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[hallow matrix]

do you kill the last add

yes or no

[south kernel]

yea was thinkin about it but i didnt find it anywhere on bloodmallet or anything

[swift tinsel]

I cleaved it personally

[south kernel]

ngl it sounds really good as a passive alternative

[swift tinsel]

the bleed adds were the only ones that I felt did anything

[north garnet]

GRRRR

[tribal vortex]

i am really pissed with the first set of adds

[north garnet]

[swift tinsel]

\o/

[vale pine]

congrats

[north garnet]

tHANK YOUU

[wind token]

how is sub looking in dungeons after nerfs

[gilded wadi]

guide us boss

[steel zinc]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[verbal kelp]

thanks, do we upgrade with champion crests, or thats not possible?

[tribal blade]

nah

[fathom adder]

where can isee the amount of people in the delve hall of fame?

[warm marlin]

go back to entrance and mouse over his face

should have a live count

[fathom adder]

which face

[swift tinsel]

dataforazeroth has a list as well

the one on the lower middle

apparently I was NA#250

but that doesn't seem right bc the counter was at 812 when I moused over after killing

[woeful jolt]

My Shadowdance is 7,1 sec long. So i should do 8 gcd in it. Am i right? because i just can do 7 close to 8 even with macros.

[hazy breach]

If you dont have coup yes

But coup is 1.2s

[woeful jolt]

even without coup i dont get to 8

[hazy breach]

But yeah its tight, should get some more haste for more leeway

[woeful jolt]

like there is missing 0,2 sec maybe

[fathom adder]

thanks guys, but i cannot see a face tbh

you mean the boss or a symbol?

[tribal blade]

i think it's always safer to get more haste than you need

[lilac stag]

Just get outlaw levels of haste

Then spec swap

[plush pecan]

Are those regular rewards or boosted with something ?

[lilac stag]

Regular

[hallow matrix]

omg

i vanished alst time and it didnt reset

i vanished at 5%

and it rest

someone shoot me

[high grotto]

when less than 20 secs on SB do we just hold SD/ST and wait if it means we dont cat SD?

[crystal bone]

we can't shoot, we're not outlaw

[swift tinsel]

we can only throw

[lime magnet]

we can throw shurikens at you though

[woeful jolt]

with 7.3 sec shadowdance its doable still close but it would work

[tribal blade]

yeah it can be extremely finnicky like that

if you don't want to reset you need to reattack insta

[fleet acorn]

do i need to finish tier 10 delve or not for ???

[lean sigil]

Looking at logs and almost all subs are using cricible trinket, is it that good and why is it not on any tierlists?

[lime magnet]

It is very easy to acquire

other trinkets are harder to acquire

[tribal blade]

iirc it got fixed on logs

[lean sigil]

Does it sim correct now?

[lilac stag]

yes

[lilac stag]

You need to finish 11

[swift tinsel]

no only 10

[fleet acorn]

oki thx and is it worth to finish nemesis bosses for loot? or what can i get out of them?

[swift tinsel]

for ??

[azure mauve]

dude maybe my valeera was underleveled

[swift tinsel]

you get 30 hero and myth crests from ??

[lilac stag]

oh hah I didn’t see it until 11 but it was late

[swift tinsel]

which don't count towards cap

[azure mauve]

who ever kept saying to just perma tricks valeera

valeera died in like 15 secs

[lilac stag]

it got hotfixed

[azure mauve]

still got it though

ez

[mental snow]

anyone know why it wont let me change valeera loadout on a different chracter. says i havent even unlocked defensive curio

supposed to be account wide i thought

[swift tinsel]

it did that on my dk too but only started doing that yesterday

and only on my dk

[tribal vortex]

you killed with tricks on valeera?

[leaden sequoia]

Is the hero point that makes tricks 1 hour bugged?

[hazy breach]

nop, hit something

[azure mauve]

nah i just juggled threat

[fathom adder]

@mental snow i fixed it while reloggin inside the delve

[fleet acorn]

is it worth to finish nemesis bosses for loot? or what can i get out of them?

[azure mauve]

valeera tanked a few hits while i was in shadow dance

then i tanked a few hits

and by a few i mean one

[swift tinsel]

#subtlety message

in addition to the mount and title

[tribal vortex]

yeah gave up cant kill 1st adds easily

[swift tinsel]

30 hero crests from ? iirc

from the first kill

[fleet acorn]

i mean nemesis bosses in delves for strongbox

or just skip it?

[dawn heron]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[lilac pendant]

Should i catalize champion head for tier 2?

[lilac stag]

are we suppose to be using the delvers map on an 8 bountfful or an 11?

google not being useful

[lethal thorn]

11 iss just for crest when you get rank 4 no ? for reward it stop at 8 right ?

[swift tinsel]

I did on an 8 bc I don't have gilded chests unlocked yet

once I do they're best on an 11

[grand summit]

I think for gear 8 and 11 is the same

[swift tinsel]

it is

just more+better crests

[thorny jacinth]

and do i use my coffer keys on t8?

[swift tinsel]

ye coffer keys on 8+

[lilac stag]

oh shit so it's just a 8 use this week then

[lethal thorn]

yeah 11 is only usefull when you are rank 4 in delve

[swift tinsel]

yeah unless you can speedrun rank 4 or whatever it is that unlocks myth crests

[lilac stag]

the rank 2 is heroic

right

[lethal thorn]

and its 20 myth crest max per week from delve

[lilac stag]

unless it changed the map gets you to 30

[lethal thorn]

boss is not in the cap

map i dont know

[lilac stag]

think i'll wait til end of week and see if rank 2 gives anything extra with it

you ran 3x 11's last season with map on 1 and it was 30 mythic crests, maybe 35 i foget

sucks getting old

[thorny jacinth]

when do i use my beacon? ts is so confusing

[worldly coral]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[lilac stag]

@tribal blade screw 🐼

[opaque trail]

u guys killed vidaeus hard mode ?

i cant killed 2 first adds

[tribal blade]

nelf supremacy

[swift tinsel]

I saved blades/dance for first set of adds

[lilac stag]

the new sword model is so nice

[lethal thorn]

belf are the better race

[swift tinsel]

since they were the only ones that do anything

[opaque trail]

and with idk, boss comes up before i end add

[swift tinsel]

that'll happen

[opaque trail]

oh and u dont die ? xd

[swift tinsel]

we don't have crazy damage atm

[opaque trail]

ye

[verbal kelp]

quick question.
is there a difference if you do delves in two people, or rewards are better when solo?

[swift tinsel]

nah I'm Fabled bro

google me

jk jk

[opaque trail]

u did as trickster or deathstalker ?

[swift tinsel]

it was frustrating tho bc she was getting murdered for the first four or five pulls

then magically she started getting the healing over time effect from me picking up the orbs and I killed it

trickster raid build with numbing poison

I also specced into the movement speed reduction reduction talent but it didn't affect the slow curse

but the slow also doesn't do anything to make the fight harder

its purely just having her survive auto attacks

which is the lamest mechanic ever

[brazen stone]

does any1 know if these ring sets from nexus point are good for us?

[astral axle]

fight seems to have been a little flat of expectation yeah. i still had fun with it but compared to kyveza i mean phew. no comparison

kyveza was sick

[lethal thorn]

valeera ai is kinda buggy sometime she act like brann and run away when she has aggro sometime she doesnt

[chilly kite]

you guys using healer valeera or tank?

[brazen stone]

this 2 set good for sub rogues?

[astral axle]

they don't end up adding up to that much damage. nothing to sweat about

[hazy breach]

Is fine for St yeah

Not like required though

[astral axle]

We only did like normal raid last night and I liked most of the fights but the dragon one was kinda stinky

[night sluice]

why the fuck have they made surv hunters want agi daggers

[ashen sable]

so they can reclaim their vanilla glory and take all the weapons

[lethal thorn]

cause they hate rogue

and all weapon are hunter weapon

[swift tinsel]

ye our hunter won the dagger off 2nd boss

thankful I got champ ones already

[lethal thorn]

just go and take him to murder row and shank him a couple of time

[swift tinsel]

he's a survival onetrick so he earned it lol

[night sluice]

this is like when they changed so there wasn't str and int plate when I mained hpala

I want to be the only one needing things xD

[swift tinsel]

I will miss that but there's the skyreach dagger that I have my eyes on

and the one from pit

vers/mastery dagger less attractive now lol

[lethal thorn]

i just remember sylvanas dagger and the crappy alt of someone looting it and couldnt trade it while i didnt see the dagger the whole patch

i only got the dagger in the season after from vendor 🙁

[short radish]

!fuu

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[vale osprey]

Guys I'm hastemaxxing

[swift tinsel]

is it 60 myth crests or 80 for craft?

[lilac pendant]

Would you guys catalize champion head for getting 2 tier pieces?

specialy head

[swift tinsel]

I'd wait for vault personally before catalyzing anything

[mighty citrus]

can i somehow track, if there are vessel orbs (from my trinket)?

[swift tinsel]

with your eyes, addons cant pick them up

or tell you how many are out

[mighty citrus]

purple on purple is hard for my old eyes

but i see

then it is what it is

[swift tinsel]

yeppers

its not great

slightly improved a few days ago but still not great

[paper trail]

Can u get 1 hero item per char? or is that warbound from delves?

the 259 one

[swift tinsel]

per character from the map

1 per character per week

[halcyon ridge]

!fuu

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[calm cloud]

i cant revive her

because adds are stacked on her

[fallow glade]

this is too good to not have bound

haven't had to struggle with clicking a target/quest object/treasure ever since they added this

even lets you press some things through walls

[brisk onyx]

holy the sword looks very cool

Is this on the back or clipped to the waist?

[lilac stag]

Waist

[void ocean]

is this Sapp with Method?

[swift tinsel]

they really need to add a transmog option for 1h to be waist or back sheathed

didn't they address back anchoring going into midnight

[lilac stag]

they were supposed to

[swift tinsel]

glaives still mount on my traps lol

basically weapon earmuffs

[shrewd lantern]

they somehow nerfed mfo augment rune to 2 agi

from 6

[hollow spear]

where can I see my prey rep progress?

[lilac stag]

Adventures guide

[hollow spear]

ah yeah, makes sense

[quick burrow]

Do we have a channel for log review that I’m missing?

[lilac stag]

Use !log

[quick burrow]

!log

[hazy breach]

My friend apparently forgot to loot his crests from the delve boss, and now he literally cant get them

Permanently behind 30 crests for fun

[fathom adder]

even without tot he just hunks down valera how did you handle that

[warm marlin]

[swift tinsel]

no fucking way

[warm marlin]

i somehow didnt get the 5 capped myth crests on my first rogue

[swift tinsel]

[warm marlin]

but second got it

[brisk onyx]

during pre patch

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-7827460183188506332

[swift tinsel]

yea I just got the 30

[warm marlin]

surely postmaster saves him

[hazy breach]

It did not

[swift tinsel]

that's so fucking troll if not

jesus

[hazy breach]

He tried killing it 2 more times

Didnt get it

[swift tinsel]

maaan that's rough

bc they're above cap too

[lilac stag]

Put a ticket in. Likely get a response after you get HoF in raid.

[quick burrow]

Was late for raid, only got 2 bosses down. Can anyone help me understand what I’m doing wrong? Have never done this poorly in raid before lmao

!log

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna give it a go at the end of the season when I'm mostly kitted out and see how much of a joke it is compared to how much of a joke it is now

[celest ice]

this was me on my kill pull

[sweet moss]

Are we waiting to craft next peice or sending belt

[left ledge]

I sent belt

[swift tinsel]

I've yet to craft

[left ledge]

I’m going to be crafting belt anyways

Don’t see the point in waiting

[night sluice]

only me that think that nightmare preys are not hard, only annoying?

[swift tinsel]

I think I'm gonna try no-lifing delves to unlock myths then get a myth craft next week

they're so fucking annoying

I hate them lol

they're not difficult at all

[left ledge]

The prey system is just annoying

[keen dome]

that's my plan

[swift tinsel]

when you get the "kill something" and the echo while getting invaded

[chilly kite]

only getting like 100 credit to next tier of prey is annoying

[swift tinsel]

or when you get the "kill something" while mounted/flying

[celest drum]

with puzzle box

on opener

do i like

do i shadowstrike -> box -> cds?

[swift tinsel]

I tried to get our RL to go for checking different shield purges on paladins but sadly would not go for it

Box is a 20sec buff so you can just send before blades I'd imagine

or with it

[sweet moss]

why not craft now and recraft myth next week?

[lethal thorn]

geez i didnt get to even try to get eu delve hall of fame cause of work 🙁 man 9h lots of unemployed poeple in eu server i guess

[swift tinsel]

wait EU is closed already?

[sweet moss]

ye'

[swift tinsel]

holy shit

[lethal thorn]

took eu 9h probably 90% tanks tho xd

[keen dome]

I just yolo'd it myself. It works.

[swift tinsel]

oh very nice!

[keen dome]

Why would I waste Hero crests this week?

[swift tinsel]

how'd they go?

pugging*

[keen dome]

One-shot. Even with the tanks running in random directions. Overall it was chill. Duo Dragons were, as I expected, the most annoying boss. Cosmos is way less complex than I thought.

Wiped the most on Crown, then Dragons

[lethal thorn]

im thinking that 4k is probably to little spot it probably should have been 10k like on the beta

[swift tinsel]

yeah dragons was reallllly rough for us

[fleet acorn]

im literally fucked - all weekly stuff done what did i get besides ilvl -> -8% haste

[keen dome]

We had a tank who aimed the gloom orb away every single time lmao

[swift tinsel]

oneshot everything else except godzilla bc people soaked all the tank hits and died

[sweet moss]

costs no crests for 259

[keen dome]

I have had a 259 dagger since the first spark week haha

[lilac stag]

Sounds like a RL issue

[sweet moss]

yeah, but we have 2 sparks again

[keen dome]

Why would I craft a second dagger

[sweet moss]

no i mean a belt

[lilac stag]

Int dagger time

[keen dome]

Haha

I'm saving my sparks until vault

[lethal thorn]

kekw im 243 ilvl before even starting this week XD

[keen dome]

It was funny 'cos he clearly didn't listen to a word anybody told him

[lilac stag]

people in such a hurry to use second spark. Just make a vet embellish item

[lilac stag]

Oh. Our healing officer

[swift tinsel]

yeah I still haven't crafted shit lol

[keen dome]

Repeatedly telling him before and then during the pull to aim gloom at the raid and he ignores it

[fleet acorn]

nice but i didnt craft or didnt used any crest

[lethal thorn]

i didnt to XD

[keen dome]

It was a cool raid though. I'm overall a fan of smaller raids

[lethal thorn]

i got full purple from m0 last week cause im just that lucky

[keen dome]

245 atm, not sent any crests. Probably going to wait and see how delves go and also the first two/three on heroic

No tier, no raid loot except the bis trinket so I can't complain a lot BUT I WILL.

[swift tinsel]

I'm not gonna send anything until after vault and/or raid clear next week

[lilac stag]

No one on raid team wanted it LOL

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[swift tinsel]

since I don't think we're hitting heroic until the following week

[keen dome]

Ye not a bad idea.

[lilac stag]

"crest discount"

[lethal thorn]

RNG respond to complaining ABC always be complaining

[lilac stag]

was most of the responses

[keen dome]

Yeah, always be complaining imo

[lilac stag]

#outlaw

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna see how long it takes to cap champ crests lol

[keen dome]

is great though

A buddy gave it to me from boss 1 haha

[swift tinsel]

very nice very nice

I need to do lfr yet for tier chance

[keen dome]

I could send it to 6/6 but I wanna try to kill some Heroic bosses first

Oh yeah I should do LFR

I've got prey, lfr, delves and heroic left

[swift tinsel]

we're supposedly trying to do a guild one tonight but idk if we can get the full 25 since we're cross faction and can't queue apparently

[keen dome]

Correct

[swift tinsel]

so dumb

so very, very dumb

[keen dome]

Very dumb

[humble oracle]

Hi, is there somewhere I can find a gearing guide for this season? I would like to know how to be smart with the limited currencies.

[lethal thorn]

xd when poeple pass on nm stuff its cause they want the hc one that how poeple in my guild work they say they dont care about loot till hc and then they say look he already has it in NM give it to me xd

[lilac stag]

best you can do is all try to q at Same time in groups of 5

[keen dome]

lol yeah

[swift tinsel]

Larias has a very in-depth gearing guide

[humble rover]

the trinket i got is not even on the wowhead list of trinket, i got hero drum... is it shit?

[lilac stag]

Yeah we squash that. If it’s good you take it now

[swift tinsel]

if you google Larias wow it should be the first thing to pop up

[humble oracle]

Found it immediatly, cheers!

[swift tinsel]

I'm a Droptimzier enthusiast so I run one before every raid

[lethal thorn]

only happen if the gm doesnt do that himself XD

[trim fractal]

Guys, easiest delve to crank 11s out in today?

doesnt have to be 100% optimal just lookin for suggestions to try

[hollow raptor]

do the one in silvermoon

its kinda fast

[trim fractal]

k ty

[swift tinsel]

why run 11's already

[trim fractal]

idk i thought it dropped gear?

is it the same as 8s for vault?

[humble rover]

this trinket any good?

[swift tinsel]

yes

same vault same bountiful chest ilvl

from 8 to 11

[hollow raptor]

not haste not good

[trim fractal]

well that makes it alot easier lmao

[hollow raptor]

[trim fractal]

8s way faster

[swift tinsel]

chest map vault

[wise fulcrum]

crests if you are playing solo, not worth the time right now in my opinion

[humble rover]

wat, wdym haste

[swift tinsel]

11's don't pay off until you unlock gilded chests and myth crests

[trim fractal]

++ ty

[hollow raptor]

we like haste trinkys rn

its probably fine tbh lol

[lethal thorn]

btw if you want to rank up to rank4 delve its 150 delv exp per t8 xd so get grinding

[lilac stag]

Already on it

[swift tinsel]

yep its 5 days of bountiful on 5 toons lol

[lethal thorn]

you mad man xd

[lilac stag]

delves best content

[swift tinsel]

bc iirc you only get journey xp in bountiful

[lethal thorn]

bountifull give a bigger shunk

[lilac stag]

reg should give journey

[lethal thorn]

but you cant do unlim of them

[lilac stag]

I think the cap story rank

[swift tinsel]

they all say bountiful

[woven ruin]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[humble rover]

upgraded lfr

so guess it was a fine drop

[hollow raptor]

yeah i like that trinket

[swift tinsel]

all these screenshots say Bountiful

for journey xp

[oak jay]

yo as tricksters we need ancient arts just for supercharged CP spender or we want it all the time (meaning we are going for builder on full cp >spender>builder on full cp spender >...)

?

[lethal thorn]

yeah i missread so get your alt going xd

[hollow raptor]

this what we got, i aint fighting my guildies for the dreamrift trinket

[swift tinsel]

already mathed lol

with 5 90's is 5 days if you open no chests

and also not counting 1.5k weekly

but idk if the weekly is once per warband per week

if not that's crazy xp

[humble rover]

havent played normal and i have not upgraded any loot yet

[lethal thorn]

tbh probably not worth farming unless you literaly have nothing to do xD

[swift tinsel]

I'm locking in guidon and plume for my reserves

[swift tinsel]

idk the myth crests are basically free

20 per week buffer

[lethal thorn]

its 20 per week that not a lot

[swift tinsel]

11's aren't crazy even at 244

just can't mdi pull

[lethal thorn]

you will run so much m+ that its probably not worth the effort

[swift tinsel]

considering you can't run m+ yet

[lethal thorn]

yeah but you probably shouldnt use them anyway this week

so having them or not now doesnt matter

[swift tinsel]

well yeah but you can craft a myth track dagger insta next week

if you unlock myth crests this week and saved keys

since you get 8 keys this week

[lethal thorn]

or run some m+ and then craft it its not then end of the world xd

[sick dagger]

why dont we use Acuity of the rendorei on both main and off hand?

[lilac stag]

You can

[sick dagger]

but is it recommended not too? Was thinking about what the wowhead guide says

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[rare sedge]

is there a reason we crafting a belt over wrist? isnt belt higher ilvl better cuz of stats?

[open pilot]

hi, sorry for the potentially stupid question: what's the best way to use the puzzle box? macroing with CD wouldn't work since you have to cast it? so use it before popping off?

or we don't care about it and macro it and when it goes it goes?

[dry zodiac]

Use it immediately before blades

[summer meteor]

anyone who's already above 18%(22 in my case) haste, simmed and it still gives you gems with haste ?

[thorn sundial]

guys in shadowblades, with full combo points, secret techniques on cd, and first shadow dance just run out, do we press a spender before next shadowdance, or do we go straight into shadowdance with full combo points?

[lilac stag]

Percent means nothing. 684-700 is what you want in raw stats

[summer meteor]

791 then

[hollow raptor]

u can press shadow dance and just dump the spender

[lilac stag]

if you’re simming patchwerk it’s likely going to look for more to either get another gcd in dance or more sht stacks

[summer meteor]

ahh

[south kernel]

YO btw if by an unforunate chance ur shit desyncs are u holding a ST or blades?

like which would u rather hold

[summer meteor]

both patch and dungeon slice suggested gems with some haste.

[swift tinsel]

blades

[hollow spear]

Haste is a weird stat

[south kernel]

i had my doubts but i guess that confirms it

[swift tinsel]

blades isn't as strong now

[south kernel]

thanks big dawg

[swift tinsel]

as it was

[lilac stag]

blades is good. It’s not crazy strong

[south kernel]

yea

[swift tinsel]

delaying sectech use is a bigger negative

[south kernel]

felt like shit when i held sectech for blades

but holding blades felt aight

wanted to see what smart ppl are doing

[hollow spear]

if you're looking for smart people, you are wrong here

we all eat crayons

[south kernel]

that makes u smart no?

[swift tinsel]

that's Hammer of Wrath - specifically Ret channel

[south kernel]

paint is what makes u dumb

[hollow spear]

shoving the crayon up your nose makes you dumb

[south kernel]

why do u think paladins have that color?

[radiant mist]

Pretty new to Deathstalker Sub Rogue, and Im hoping someone can answer this for me because I am LOST. Even in ST, are we supposed to use this macro? From what Ive looked up, I guess it has something to do with dance macabre or something like that, but can someone clarify when this macro needs to be used?

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

I had heroic raid last night and its very clear to me I am missing a couple small pieces that are preventing me from really doing numbers, so any help is appreciated. Thanks yall

[south kernel]

no it makes u line tech with dance for optimal gcd without macro as u hold ur breaht

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[south kernel]

why are there no crayons in his nose?

this is inaccurate

@swift tinsel btw another quick annoying quesiton

pre trinket ur just sending 2 dances in blades right?

[swift tinsel]

you're always sending 2 dances in blades

[finite crow]

are we upgrading our gear or na?

[south kernel]

ok so u do it back to back

gotcha

thanks fam

[dry zodiac]

Are the mythic crests for ?? tied to the solo achieve or just killing it

Can I be lazy and take a tank friend

[swift tinsel]

afaik its just from killing it the first time

don't quote me on that tho

haven't done any delve with another person since the first week of tww lol

[hollow raptor]

I like that we have a single target tree but it's trickster every boss anyways

[tawny plume]

Is the ?? possible on rogue?

[latent finch]

Yes

[tawny plume]

Interesting wonder if theres a specific talent set or spec

[swift tinsel]

bunch of us did it as sub

use numbing poison

pray4valeera

[tawny plume]

Hahaha i assume valeera was healer

[swift tinsel]

ye

was very funky though as far as her receiving heals goes

had a bunch of pulls where she just wasn't getting healed by orbs

[final cliff]

I tried but valeera dies so quick. Only lv18 tho. Is there a strat to speed leveling her?

[tawny plume]

Ah yeh guess her being max level helps

[swift tinsel]

she was 19 for my kill

[tawny plume]

Ah thats cool i might try that oater thanks

[swift tinsel]

mentally prepare to rage at least a lil bit

[tawny plume]

Oh having done kyveza cant be any worse rage wise

[vestal sphinx]

For my fellow sub rogue pleyers, Is Haste prio now?? instead of mastery?

[manic swift]

AGREED

[oak grotto]

To 18% I think it is ye

[violet shuttle]

Do you guys know any cooldown manager that allows buffs like shadow dance to be displayed in the same Icon as shadow dance? Like make the icon glow and show the current time left from the buff

[swift tinsel]

Will's CDM can iirc

[oak grotto]

Mine does and I use Bettercooldownmanager

[swift tinsel]

should be able to show aura active duration

otherwise yeah BCDM or Arc def can

[mighty citrus]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[vestal sphinx]

how do i get it there

[vestal sphinx]

do u have a build i can follow ?

[oak grotto]

So there it says duration of my dance

[keen dome]

Put on gear with haste

[violet shuttle]

Oh i see yeah, thanks - i will fiddle arround with it 🙂

[swift tinsel]

the icon zoom makes me itchy

[oak grotto]

I mean put on gear with haste, but simc cause it can be worth to skip some haste for more agility

[swift tinsel]

I just played it normally and then held cd's if I knew he was gonna phase and spawn adds soon

only adds that really matter are the first two, the second and third sets are kinda shitters

can aoe burst the second and the third just kinda...shadowbolts and that's it

[vestal sphinx]

are u 100% sure its better than with mastery?

[vestal sphinx]

if i start building haste :/

[swift tinsel]

haste has specific interactions with dance duration and sectech cd

which is why there's a specific target for haste to get extra dance globals

[oak grotto]

Not 100%, I know you want the 18% but idk if it's worth to put every single item to haste until you reach that cap

[narrow shadow]

This any good

[vestal sphinx]

ok ty

[oak grotto]

But at that point I'd just sim it to see what items to use

[swift tinsel]

^

haste values that give an extra global will be important but values between those are less important

[sly swallow]

Is anyone actually using the deathstalker build in raid? I've perused the some of the top logs and it seems like everyone is just running trickster for all the encounters.

[swift tinsel]

gotta love breakpoints

[swift tinsel]

no you can't make me play it

deathstalker worst tree

keyed my car stole my shoes

[oblique isle]

is this stalker build in fuu's sheet is only hard st right? in raid obv