subtlety

[west tide]

dude im wiping on cd so fast

[limpid sage]

But that’s on my shammy

[west tide]

shes dying insta like im crazy

other guy said the same thing she takes no dam buty mine is gettin cranked crazy

[limpid sage]

She’s not on tank mode right

[calm cloud]

is she atleast lvl 10?

[west tide]

no i have her on healer

shes healin me man

[swift tinsel]

yeah she's getting melee'd to death at 19

[west tide]

droppin hearts

[warm marlin]

mine was level 18

[swift tinsel]

weird, as heals also?

[limpid sage]

Curio diff?

[warm marlin]

yes

[west tide]

i have tricks on her, same curios as the other guy who did it

im having to min max everything

idgi lmao

[swift tinsel]

I've got r2 Edict and Voidspire

[warm marlin]

i think you want to pick up the hearts

feel like they heal her maybe

idk guess

[west tide]

ok ya i wasnt

ima do thatr

[swift tinsel]

hmm maybe

[fair phoenix]

the game dont have veteran or champion crest thing to upgrade the item?

[supple verge]

i had her in the corner so the hearts spawned close

and im pretty sure they do heal her

[swift tinsel]

yeah they do

[supple verge]

i was actively going for them when she was half

[steel sierra]

Anyone full send their second craft yet?

[warm marlin]

where do you see this I want to see my ranking

[swift tinsel]

okay maybe not

is there a heal absorb

[north schooner]

veteran crests go into the blue dagger instead, not the epic one

[supple verge]

iof you attempt to zone back in

[swift tinsel]

bc the hearts didn't do shit lol

[supple verge]

and hover over the icon

[swift tinsel]

after a lil bit

[supple verge]

it will show your ranking

[west tide]

dude i think we are bugged lmao

[warm marlin]

okok i go

[limpid sage]

Oh I thought the 11 meant amount of people that had done it xd

[supple verge]

ya it was

[limpid sage]

Didn’t mean to throw shade

“Oh only 11?”

[swift tinsel]

yeah she was at 1/2 health and I picked up 2 hearts and her hp didn't move

[supple verge]

he was the 11th person in NA

to do it

[west tide]

did they do the firs tone?

maybe some weird thing

i didnt do the first version

[swift tinsel]

yeah they're straight up not healing her

[calm cloud]

i prob can only start to play like 5 hours after relase, how likely is it that i can still get top 4k?

[spiral steeple]

!sim

What's the command for the sim link

[limpid sage]

Ye but it doesn’t track the current amount of people that’ve done it right?

[swift tinsel]

so she's getting trucked to death

[spiral steeple]

I'm gonna answer my own damn questions lol

[limpid sage]

Like if he comes back it’ll still say 11

[karmic harbor]

Is the world boss meant to drop a random piece that isnt even the right armour type

[supple verge]

yea it does

like mine says 517

well

[warm marlin]

i just saw it live update

[supple verge]

no i guess it wouldnt

[tidal marsh]

Yep

[supple verge]

i see what youre saying

[warm marlin]

went from 701 to 702

[supple verge]

oh nvm

i was confused ig

[warm marlin]

ye 704 now

[limpid sage]

Ah ok

[warm marlin]

better get going

[alpine wraith]

damn 704 in like 4 hours

[supple verge]

so my buddy could have done it even faster actually

[limpid sage]

How long has it been up on NA?

[alpine wraith]

it is going to go FAST

[west tide]

dude im gtrying

[supple verge]

once the tech is out for the various specs that can do it

[west tide]

my valeera wont heal herself shes dying on cd

[supple verge]

like rogue with tricks

[limpid sage]

Just thinking if I have a chance waking up at 8

[supple verge]

its gonna fill super fast

[alpine wraith]

maybe i lvl valeera a bit

[warm marlin]

60 hero and 30 myth crests above cap is kinda brazy

from doing ? and ??

[calm cloud]

can you rush delv 10 then do him 11 or do you have to finish a 11 delve?

[supple verge]

yea the crest reward is sick

just fiinish t10

[left ledge]

wait tricks on valeera

never thought of that

didnt think she'd count as a player

[lilac stag]

Which delve is the quickest to 11 on N.A.?

[left ledge]

silvermoon

[calm cloud]

yeah me neither but its kinda obvi

but never needed it in t7 so

[calm cloud]

prob grudge pit or collegiate

[warm marlin]

tricks on brann was actively troll on kyveza

you'd die to the portal mechanic

[harsh gale]

can someone link the picture again of the m0 we focus
its windrunner, algath, pit and skyreach right

[heady garden]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[warm marlin]

but now this fight you ignore everything but the kick

[swift tinsel]

idk why she isn't staying alive for me

is annoying

[rain oxide]

nvm im dumb and missed a kick

[supple verge]

collect hearts?

[swift tinsel]

they aren't healing her

[supple verge]

hmm dunno

[wet jacinth]

are trinkets bugged in raidbots ? it says that my fiber of living agony outdpses my emberwing feather

[supple verge]

im sure it will come out that this shit is just turbo bugged and we got lucky

ngl

[swift tinsel]

she gets chunked down and only her healing circle is doing anything to her

its very annoying

[limpid sage]

have you tried leaving dung and going in again

she bugs out

sometimes it’s like she has a lobotomy

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna try that agin

bc this is exceedingly annoying

[finite crow]

So what is our main prio m0 t11 delves and raid?

Do we spend vet crests or we pile them up for converting?

[calm cloud]

Prob best to get m0 world tour each day and in the mean time to delves and the raids

[tulip light]

Addon and guide updated

Some of this will be information from earlier; some of this will be due. I am just putting it together into a single message and then removing the earlier ones.

1. to get your spark quickly, do the arcantina quest
2. if doing PVP crafting, you can get the quest item from arenas so that's probably the fastest way to get it
3. Champion crest cap this week is 400, not 100.
4. housing quest is capped crests so select champion as a reward from the quest
5. Campaign reward is a champion cloak
6. delve intro quest has a bag from the vendor for two free keys
7. Complete the Nulleaus delve boss on ? For a one time award of 30 uncapped hero crests
8. Complete the weekly nightmare prey quest for 20 uncapped hero crests and an item that summons the delve boss. The weekly quest does not reward a hero item this week - however, the map in the delve still does.
   NEW: ?? Delve boss gives 30 uncapped myth. It's easy for a tank, gl everyone else.

this is prob a good overview and prio

[west tide]

i did that and naw shes not healing at all

from the hearts

shes dying on cd like 1ce or twice beforfe 75%

[mighty crow]

man icy vains got my ass in B-tier now

[lilac stag]

We’ll be C tier after Zeus goes live

[teal night]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[finite crow]

And do we craft all 4 sparks of the bat?

[small minnow]

Hi guys can i ask what to craft tomorrow as a sub rogue

[mighty crow]

all three rogue specs in b tier jesus

you ca ncraft a new class cause we in theh dog house now

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/airplane-first-time-nervous-80s-movies-gif-19769548

[supple barn]

using fuus delve build and having fun

[swift tinsel]

yep same

[supple barn]

sub isnt deadge?!

[calm cloud]

specc enjoyer > fotm slave

[warm marlin]

oh take numbing if you didnt already

[mighty crow]

i like to try and push high keys so i kinda HAVE to care about it

[warm marlin]

you need numbing

numbing is mega op

[small minnow]

I dont care if it sucks i always enjoy rogue

[swift tinsel]

good comms

[finite crow]

We can get 2set tomorrow as well ye?

[small minnow]

Can someone please help me to what should we craft tomorrow as sub rogue

[warm marlin]

can also play cheat in case you miss the kick, no need to play elu like kyveza

[calm cloud]

can you not cloak the cast?

[finite crow]

A weapon fo sure but im not sure if second craft

[small minnow]

Thanks mate

[calm cloud]

unless you get a myth dagger

[warm marlin]

worked for me

[finite crow]

Crafted one goes to the offhand

[calm cloud]

yeah but offhand is just a stat stick

[small minnow]

Does the nerf on aoe hurt alot the rogue?

[warm marlin]

might be a 1s thing

[calm cloud]

if you get a mythic dagger first week you can craft something thats a bigger upgrade for your lowest slot for example

[finite crow]

How u gonna get myth dagger

[calm cloud]

or champ dagger

my bad

[soft oriole]

Is the fact that my shadow dance/shadow blades are more than 10 seconds desynced a haste diff or is it normal

[small minnow]

Ye champ he mean

[fiery fog]

you can craft myth dagger thiis week? appearantly you can spam the ?? boss for myth crests

[finite crow]

Ye but no embelish

[digital aspen]

some people wait to kill 2nd boss on mythic and for that week's vault in case they get a dagger

[small minnow]

The cap haste i think its 18 % for the mastery do u know the numbers to go ?

[lilac stag]

Haste is a number not a percent

[small minnow]

700

[rain oxide]

lol ok yea easy as hell

[flint sundial]

it is indeed incredibly easy

thanks for the tip

[left ledge]

easy if you can cheese him yeah

[flint sundial]

10 minute target dummy

[left ledge]

otherwise you get slapped

[flint sundial]

sure we cheese it but the fight is so poorly designed

0 mechanics

[latent kindle]

how do u cheese?

[flint sundial]

its literally just a white swing simulator

[wheat wigeon]

she die

[cold citrus]

my valeera dies everytime

[left ledge]

you tricks or just use dance to drop threat

[flint sundial]

put valeera healer, tricks her, win

[finite crow]

I just dont know if we pool the vet crests

[left ledge]

otherwise he will white hit you for 200k

[muted girder]

Yeah my valeera 23 and literally just gets smoked

[flint sundial]

run numbing if you aren't already

[left ledge]

i did with a level 14 valeera

[muted girder]

with healer and tricks

[flint sundial]

and make sure to collect the hearts

they heal her too

[left ledge]

did not use numbing

[small minnow]

Bro blizzard just make the game for new players

[left ledge]

hearts do not seem to heal her from my experience

she just didnt die

[wheat wigeon]

^

[small minnow]

They delete everythibk thats hard

[flint sundial]

oh guess not then

[left ledge]

they mightve hotfixed healer valeera maybe

[stiff spear]

Yo do M0 drop champion now and reset daily?

[left ledge]

idk

[flint sundial]

placebo hearts

[left ledge]

because she was just tankier than tank valeera

[flint sundial]

I just did it 5 minute ago

[left ledge]

oh

no clue then

my valeera took 0 damage basically

[warm marlin]

ya that was my experience

[small minnow]

Ur valeera is sexy hahah

[flint sundial]

mine looked scary sometimes, she did die on my first attempt when I didn't kill the last add

but second time she was fine

[calm cloud]

yall finish last add or just off kick?

[wheat wigeon]

gotta pull him to middle?

[warm marlin]

i sent all cds before the first add spawn and she tanked them in the goo so long boss became active again while they were still 70% hp

[flint sundial]

she can pretty much live the adds too

[warm marlin]

and she tanked all 3 of those mobs for 40s straight until she died and I evasion ressed her

[rain oxide]

mine didn't even come close to dying it was stupid

[flint sundial]

may as well cleave them down though because if its just you valeera and boss, it's unloseable

[rain oxide]

i was worried she'd get 2 tapped but nothing happened

[celest ice]

prolly fixed for EU tomorrow so we are out of luck 😄

[pure wave]

!fuu

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[stiff spear]

anyone?

[muted girder]

yes

[severe estuary]

should i craft a trink for raid

[small minnow]

So now lfr is must ddo for the tier pieces?

[swift tinsel]

lol as soon as the healing works

[small minnow]

Gg

[west tide]

howd u get it to work

[twin summit]

is it trickster ST or m+ for cleave fights in raid

[swift tinsel]

zoned out and in

first try as soon as it did lmao

[west tide]

lol wtf..

[swift tinsel]

where can you see your rank?

[west tide]

is it noticeable when u pick up a heart and she heals insta?

[swift tinsel]

nah its a hot

[warm marlin]

it doesnt say your rank it just shows the current amount of spots taken

[swift tinsel]

also was there literally zero change from ? to ?? mechanically or am I trippin

[warm marlin]

if you go back to the entrance of the delve and hover over his face

[warm marlin]

nop fight is a mechanical joke compared to kyveza

disappointing

[swift tinsel]

ahh tyty

[flint sundial]

very lame fight

[celest ice]

Kyveza was peak

took me hot minute to do that

[swift tinsel]

under 1k I'll take that

[hallow matrix]

what level was your valeera?

[swift tinsel]

19

[celest ice]

mine is 14 😒

[swift tinsel]

with sanctum and voidspire curios

[soft oriole]

In a situation where you have 20 seconds until shadow blades, you have a single charge of shadow dance and 20 seconds until your next one, do you wait to send until you have full cds or do you send a sectec window?

[swift tinsel]

her hp didn't dip below like 40%

yeah I feel nothing after that compared to Kyveza

[hallow matrix]

ah okay cool - What was the healing thing you mentioned?

[limpid sage]

how hard is the boss slapping?

[swift tinsel]

me? hard. valeera? decent

[warm marlin]

valeera is made of dwarven mithril mate

she does not take damage

[limpid sage]

like % wise

30% hits or?

[flint sundial]

50%+

[warm marlin]

she died and i took the tankbuster and it cheated me

from full hp

[limpid sage]

just thinking if its doable on my shammy with mail

oh dang

[unreal musk]

do we have a cleave build or just ST for raid

[swift tinsel]

yeah he hits you hard, was getting chunked to half any time I took melees lol

[limpid sage]

😳

might be rogue angle for achieve then

[left ledge]

trickster is our cleave

[tough umbra]

What is the exact haste breakpoint for 2 sectec's in SB? I know people say 18 but what is the haste stat exactly?

[wheat wigeon]

fucking dies under his model cant res

[swift tinsel]

its really not hard

[left ledge]

700

[calm cloud]

latency dependant

[swift tinsel]

sub was nice for add bursting

[left ledge]

just get 700

[calm cloud]

from 650 to 700

[left ledge]

and then dont build vers

[limpid sage]

ye if you can tricks xd

[unreal musk]

oki thank you

[swift tinsel]

hardest part was not yeeting my keyboard when valeera was tanking either the boss or adds in the middle of the floor shit and I could only storm and bp

[limpid sage]

interact key broken

[calm cloud]

@west tide any update on your boss fight ?

[left ledge]

just stand in it

[flint sundial]

hardest part was not falling asleep

[left ledge]

barely does damage

[flint sundial]

the goop does not do damage

[swift tinsel]

I did a few times lol

[limpid sage]

Don’t stand there!

[left ledge]

fk that little dwarf shit

[swift tinsel]

valeera lowkey dumb though maybe worse than brann

[left ledge]

no

she's not

i guarantee you she's not

[swift tinsel]

should I link the ss of her attacking a dead body?

[limpid sage]

Dude the Underpin boss

[swift tinsel]

instead of healing

[left ledge]

you think

thats something?

[limpid sage]

Gave me an aneurism from Brann

[left ledge]

brann would RUN ACROSS THE DELVE TO TAG ELITES AS IM STEALTHED

[swift tinsel]

or dropping stealth to go stab someone

[left ledge]

THEN DIE

AND PULL THE WHOLE DELVE TO ME

[silent ruin]

is there some kind of deathstalker mark parity with garotte now ? i'm not able to apply mark with fresh shadowstike to new target

[calm cloud]

what do you call a wizzard that gives you a hickey?

[swift tinsel]

SHE DOES THAT TOO

[left ledge]

she's never done that to me

[calm cloud]

a neck-romancer

[left ledge]

brann would do it CONSISTENTLY

[swift tinsel]

She has done that multiple times to me

[left ledge]

also at least she drops the health things relatively close!

brann fucks off to attack some random shit

drops his pots there

and then he dies

or on kyveza

he just stands IN THE PORTALS

AND DIES

[harsh gale]

which 2 items are we crafting with the veteran crests

[limpid sage]

ye holy shit that was infuriating

[west tide]

she dies on cd

[limpid sage]

I remember I had a kyveza pull with 26m hp left and he just decides to give up and die

[left ledge]

i had one where he just stopped taking any action

and just stood infront of me

[limpid sage]

Stopped playing rest of the day

[left ledge]

spamming voicelines

until i died

[limpid sage]

Tilted tf out of me

Played perfectly

Lost to AI

Gg

[left ledge]

thats another thing

his voice

ffs

[swift tinsel]

the fun part about nulleaus

[left ledge]

that voice constantly trying to tell you what to do

as he fucking griefs you

is the biggest ragebait the game has ever had

[swift tinsel]

is once you kill the add that spawns at 25% theres literally nothing to do

no hype

at all

[left ledge]

yea kyveza was ramping

[swift tinsel]

unless you fall asleep and don't kick

[hallow matrix]

did you hold cds for anything? or just full send

[swift tinsel]

this was so disappointing

[west tide]

look bro

[swift tinsel]

uhh kinda

if I knew he was gonna spawn adds soon I'd hold cds

[left ledge]

she's in healer?

[swift tinsel]

at least the first two add spawns

[west tide]

yess lmao

[swift tinsel]

third one doesn't do shit just casts shadowbolt

[left ledge]

maybe swap her to tank

have her die

then swap her back

[calm cloud]

did you phase out and back in again?

[west tide]

yess

[swift tinsel]

are you aggressively grabbing orbs once her health starts to drop below 80%ish

[calm cloud]

is she atleast level 10 so she has abilities ?

[west tide]

i am i am

[swift tinsel]

at least grabbing 2 of the 3 right away

[limpid sage]

numbing poison?

[west tide]

yas

[limpid sage]

ok damn

[wheat wigeon]

im not seeing her health go up when i pick up orbs

[limpid sage]

actually no clue then

[charred rock]

its a hot and its slow AF

[west tide]

look look im streamin

lmaoo

[calm cloud]

idk looks fine

dont collect the hearts all at once

let them sit a bit and only collect them when the hot is about to run out

[supple barn]

with trinkets not simming correctly how do i go about choosing out of these?

[calm cloud]

idk if she heals when you heal witht he hot but you dropped the hot alot when you insta picked up all the orbs instead of spreading it out

[hazy breach]

Trinkets do sim correctly

[supple barn]

ok i just sim them all then

i forgot who or where i saw they werent simming correctly

like with crucible

[hazy breach]

It was crucible only

But it was bugged ingame too, now it works properly in both

[supple barn]

sweet ty

[toxic rapids]

can someone give me bis talents rn for dungeons?

[supple barn]

simming with the M+ fuu build from wowhead is ok?

[supple barn]

ive just been using m+ build

[calm cloud]

i was more thinking about your own hot buff

idk if she has one

[west tide]

but shes dyin more so

[calm cloud]

well it looked fine till phase 2 honestly and she healed herself up nicely

[final gulch]

are the haste breakpoints listed anywhere?

[wheat wigeon]

ty for the info

[wheat wigeon]

exactly what i needed ty bb

[random mason]

isn't there still a notification about the loa one

or did it literally just get fixed

[hazy breach]

[random mason]

i have a notification on a sim from 20mins ago and no notification on one a few mins ago

idk

[swift tinsel]

the hero/myth crests from that not counting towards the cap is nice

[calm cloud]

do you get them everytime you kill the boss or only once?

[swift tinsel]

should be once

otherwise that would be an insane farm

30 legitimately free myth crests would break shit

if it was repeatable

[calm cloud]

#subtlety message

@fiery fog any source to that?

[modest delta]

i got da vessel of torture yall got any addons to like keep track when it spawn or something?

[olive citrus]

You guys going trickster or deathstalker for raid?

[stuck arrow]

Trickster unless we hit super tight s right target DPS check that we're consistently failing, personally.

[olive citrus]

okay cool that's what I planned to do too

[stuck arrow]

But like, up to you. Most fights have a fair number of adds it feels like.

[supple barn]

idk i think im doing these right, if anyone wants to look at it id appreciate it https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/84VJ351A6hHQnk3PR7jcZm

[warm marlin]

[stuck arrow]

Looks fine.

I'd have cheaper out in the auxiliary enchants though, lol. If it doesn't give damage, hell naw. Be replaced by tomorrow anyway. <_<

You can also likely craft a few blues with crests.

[supple barn]

ya i dont understand crafting and crest usage yet at all so i havent touched it outside of dagger. I swapped to m+ talents and it recommended pyre belt, and ill run it again with raid spec for raid.

need to do my m0s and im waiting until friday to raid w my brother so i dont think i need to rush crafting but could be wrong

[stuck arrow]

Yeah if you got time take it.

[pseudo fiber]

Yo, did u already discuss the embellisment options we have after buffs/nerfs on them?

[west tide]

how do u see ur rank

for this shit i got it lmao

[vagrant sinew]

you cant ingame atleast

[warm marlin]

🙂

@plush roost

[spice lichen]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[swift tinsel]

you monster (big grats!)

[short radish]

Another tier of the bingus

Gz big man

[plush roost]

pog

[alpine wraith]

did anyone win an epic bg to check if the seasonal crafting things are still on there?

[warm marlin]

its beautiful

[dire ravine]

Are we following the wowhead talent optimization for add fights, swapping finality (1/2) for potent powder?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[swift tinsel]

lol you can get 8 keys instead of 6

with the free bag of 200 shards

if you use it when you're 600/600 it just gives you 2 keys

got 3 trinkets so far all ass

just gonna have omega loot luck from raid

[alpine wraith]

are bountifuls online?

or only next week

[swift tinsel]

yep they're up now

[alpine wraith]

so you can get 8 champion and 1 hero from map this week

[swift tinsel]

and its impossible not to cap them inta

[alpine wraith]

kinda nice

[swift tinsel]

yeah

I had max shards after 2 events and a few preys/delves

[spare crypt]

which event is this?

[tulip light]

what does "max shards" mean?

[spare crypt]

or any gives these bags

[swift tinsel]

you don't get keys outright now, you get coffer key shards that turn into keys once you enter a delve

for every 100 shards

[tulip light]

and coffer key is needed to enter bounti delve?

[tame notch]

I checked rogue parses on bosses oh god compared to other classes we are ass

[swift tinsel]

ah yes the first few hours of raid

[alpine wraith]

when we get tier we go midtier

but yea

dont worry we risin for sure

[spring viper]

im about to bottom meters with orange parses, yahhhh boiiii

[tame notch]

Feelin the same way my man

[alpine wraith]

dont worry getting orange will be super hard because there will be 1000 parses

[safe tundra]

im so unlucky

[alpine wraith]

so even with rank 3 you get a purple

[spring viper]

i have so much fun on sub i dont really care about where we stand tbh. would be nice to be competitive but the spec is fun. myguild generally stops mid mythic anyways so its not a big deal for me but if you want to push CE i totally get it

[weary cedar]

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[tame notch]

Yeah we are going for CE and it is pain for me

[spring viper]

i feel you

[alpine wraith]

yea if you are in a guild with 2 rogues it will be rough

[runic sinew]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tame notch]

Luckily for me I am the only one rogue

[spring viper]

same! i normally main WW so this will be new for me

are the builds in those spreadsheets currently reccomended? new to this discord so learning

[eternal wave]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[alpine wraith]

there should be some on guides yea

[swift tinsel]

Having over a hundred hero crests without doing a single dungeon or raid seems funny

And only 50 of them are towards the weekly cap

[grand wyvern]

what is the deal with the second usage of secret techniques in blades during lust, can we fit it in the first dance? should we and not supercharge it?

[swift tinsel]

Tempted to send on a hero dagger craft

But also not

Probs getting one in vault

[modest delta]

what talents we raidin with

[alpine wraith]

most of the bosses are cleave so you just get potent powder

[tulip light]

@swift tinsel from what I gathered it’s very bad to craft with hero crests as they get replaced by mythic craft

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, that’s why I’m probs holding

Even though half of them were effectively free

Plus it’ll be super easy to farm hero daggers anyways

Once m+ is live

Already have 2x champ daggers

This game really wants me to vers stack though from the drops im getting

[west tide]

!fuu

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[charred rock]

brother, fr fr no capp 100% i cant even run away from verse, the crap is everywhere. 😔

[warm marlin]

this trinket is very strange without tier set

[swift tinsel]

Oh dude I bet

What’s Sectech cd when you pop it?

Out of curiosity

[warm marlin]

erm

like 14-15s

it comes up with 2s left on blades or so

[swift tinsel]

Ah

[warm marlin]

in lust i should say

[swift tinsel]

Interesting

[warm marlin]

it comes up after blades ends witout lust

[swift tinsel]

Hmge

[remote rapids]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[safe tundra]

whats the best cheapest gem rn

[warm marlin]

bless up fellow guidon enjoyer

[hearty mural]

i cant find this guide page..where do i go to see each boss's recommended build

[alpine wraith]

we dont change build at all

ahaha

maybe on the full st boss you change 1 or 2 talents

oh boi

[hearty mural]

thats what i meant as 1 or 2 talents..as per the message im replying to

i just want to know where it is so i dont ask simple questions in here and get told to look at guide lol

[alpine wraith]

finality for potent powder

[hearty mural]

ty

[alpine wraith]

follow subscribe and smash that like button but also i think it is on the pins or faq too

apart from guides

let me see

[odd sandal]

Where is the ?? Boss this time?

[charred rock]

voidstorm

[silver hearth]

!spreadsheet

[wicked jolt]

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[silver hearth]

We go from trickster to deathstalker in ST fights

[flint sundial]

are we 2min with puzzle?

[alpine wraith]

no just use it every 2 blades

[silver hearth]

are these the up to date sims with the sub changes?

[honest void]

anime protaganist type shit

[young harness]

is there a site that shows what talent they are running on each boss?

[charred rock]

is anyone else having a weird bug with their stamina/HP? im actually losing health somehow getting upgrades, and when i enter war mode and put my pvp gear, it actually loses me more health than the 300k+ i was having.

[warm marlin]

vaelgor got hands a bit

[high prawn]

Why do we need 18% haste?

[gilded ferry]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[subtle jay]

how to deal damage on paladins ffs

shitton of boss movement

[alpine wraith]

cheerleader class

[radiant furnace]

First time rogue-raiding

Does subtlety just have an energy problem or am I doing something wrong?

[alpine wraith]

we dont really have a problem just dont spam outside dance there is no reason to anyway

[radiant furnace]

I feel like i am running out a lot

Gotcha

[charred rock]

youll have energy issues if you just slam buttons. and use to much backstab. you wanna take it mildly slow and stay in your dance windows

[swift tinsel]

HUGE W

[soft summit]

anyone else's crucible trinket from tyhe renown vendor simming very well?

[fallen depot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[gilded ferry]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[subtle jay]

yeah they fixed it for rogue

[misty blade]

are we weak atm? I'm getting gapped by demo/frost/etc.

[subtle jay]

yes

[charred rock]

L RIP cold blood. now we are just cold. 😔

[elfin hound]

yep

[subtle jay]

and no

[soft summit]

which bonus thing do we want?

[subtle jay]

+50% to overall dmg ofc

[soft summit]

k

[subtle jay]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jgmm-monkey-think

[soft summit]

lol

[subtle jay]

paladins fight really made me eat shit on my alt, curious how things will go for main char

[warped ferry]

hows everyone feeling sub in raid?

[alpine wraith]

we are midpack that is fine

[subtle jay]

it's fine till paladins, there's too much boss movement

guy who designed that fight is a fucking crackhead

[sacred gull]

hi guys, do you have a simple addon to track poisons buffs ?

[safe tundra]

are we supposed to use black powder

on 2+ adds or 3+ adds

[warped zodiac]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[frail bone]

do we full send dagger to myth track next week?

[supple verge]

nice

[lucid jackal]

BRO LFMAOOOOOOOOOO

@warm marlin BRO THE DRAGON BOSS

AFTER 2 INTERMISSIONS

IS PERMA 2 TARGET

OH ITS SO OVER

SUB 📉

[civic lava]

Not like this, not like this

[lilac stag]

that was easy

[warm marlin]

wym

cant stack em no

[lucid jackal]

sU can

So like

1 flies, 1 is on the ground

When 1 is flying, they like, push eachother apart

adfter 2 intermissions

they are both grounded

and if u stack them ontop of each other they get a mega buff

but u can VERY easilyt ank them together to perma 2 target cleav

and I was just told that mythic they START grounded

So its legit a perma 2 target fight

Its actually never been more of an outlaw season

📉

[frail kindle]

fuck it crafting the outlaw sword now

[lucid jackal]

Well maybe mythic U have to keep them far away for other easons

[warm marlin]

sub cds are mega weird

[lucid jackal]

Ive noticed 1:30s are kinda weird

Saladar is ofc a sub fight

[spiral needle]

tanking them together definitely wouldnt fly in mythic, they'd hotfix that

[warped ferry]

super weird

[lucid jackal]

Just hit boss, get damage amp at 1:40 intervals, win

[warm marlin]

we just had a 20% vael pull and its just so cursed

if you try to cd adds you need to hold 130 blades

if you dont hold ever it never lines up

idk def some thinking to be done

[runic sinew]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[lucid jackal]

I'm thinkin about pressing blade flurry

[raven blaze]

i got puzzle box

you cant macro this thing right since its a cast time?

[spiral needle]

condolences

[fallen depot]

hows sub doin in raid?

[simple sapphire]

anyone have any insight on the fastest delve?

[spiral needle]

sub winning before it even has tier, but who knows about mythic

[shrewd lantern]

how long is dance supposed to last

[safe tundra]

also when am i supposed to use puzzle box

i pop it on pull but for the second one it doesnt align

do i hold that cd for the next puzzle box

or just send it

[lucid jackal]

Use box every other blades

[safe tundra]

ok so i just send my blades

[lucid jackal]

Yeah

[stuck arrow]

To every secondary stat wtf

[iron obsidian]

do we only do the apex talent thing in lust while in blades or do we do it the entire duration of lust?

[shrewd lantern]

730 haste and my dance tooltip is only 7.5s

i thought it was meant to be higher?

[brazen meadow]

Why are trinkets simming significantly weaker with the patch? Did I miss something?

They were like a 3.5% buff before patch now it's net even and by gear has barely changed at all

[warm marlin]

idk bruv im kinda doing damage

but also i got heroic guidon first item

[swift tinsel]

this sims as a dps loss at hero track lmao

[stuck arrow]

I mean 5s horrified is pretty bad, lol.

But if you have an adds heavy fight, thats maybe legit.

[upbeat sorrel]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[upbeat sorrel]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[warm marlin]

highest melee on boss dmg too

@chrome palm is it finally time

[plush roost]

Whats it like to have gear king

[shrewd lantern]

i could have sworn my dance tooltip outside of raid was longer than 7.5

wtf

[plush roost]

No drops for me 🙁

[shrewd lantern]

wasnt dance supposed to be 8.1

around 700ish

[wet jacinth]

sick ass ui is that elvui with senseis ?

[sour horizon]

Removed the blue effect on rogue’s hands while Cold Blood is active, as it could be distracting when active for very long periods.

the class is saved

[warm marlin]

arcui + wangbar + msuf

need to remove the ugly energy bar above playerframe

lazy

[wet jacinth]

bro im watching shindigg and i feel kinda bad looking at that meter

[wet jacinth]

ty btw <3

[chrome palm]

its time

no guidon here

spared from s*b prison

forn ow

[warped ferry]

lmfao it feels and looks not so good

[wet jacinth]

40k dps difference feels like sabotage

holy

[glacial kraken]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[spiral needle]

dev will see 1 rogue in WFR and consider it perfectly balanced

[safe tundra]

is it just me or is sub rogue damage just really really bad atm

[spiral needle]

all rogue specs are very mid

[safe tundra]

i know im a bit undergeared compared to the rest of my raid but omg what

[warped ferry]

better on some fights than others

[spiral needle]

but sub really needs tier

[warm marlin]

eviscerating 2target cleave on paladins is quite tragic ngl

[wet jacinth]

numbers dont lie if they look at the logs and see a 30% difference they should realistically notice that something is wrong :D prayge

[safe tundra]

i'm playing at 242 ilvl and i'm near the bottom of the meter all the time and idk what i'm doing wrong because theres only 2-3 buttons you actually press 😭

[spiral needle]

wont find sanctuary in the other rogue specs sadly

probably gonna be another bring 1 rogue for atrophic and dev effort ends tier until 2 months into season

[iron obsidian]

W Soma gamer

[lucid jackal]

Somehow rogue is very easy, but every day people are asking how to play sub properly

[spiral needle]

every spec is pretty easy...until you suddenly have to worry about raid mechanics

[safe tundra]

i mean i honestly thought it was easy until i saw my numbers and now idk what to change

[iron obsidian]

easy doesnt = good

[lucid jackal]

Sub needs a lot of gear to do damage tbqh

U need 4 piece and that 1st boss trinket lol

[warm marlin]

cds are soo wack with guidon but wihtout tier

[safe tundra]

[lucid jackal]

what does tier do

[warm marlin]

you snapshot last second of guidon

and still get to sc sectec

[spiral needle]

get that spicy second sectec in I imagine

[warm marlin]

but without it you either send a sad supercharge sectec and barely cover blades with dance or send dance early and delay sectec

[lucid jackal]

No like

what does the sub tier do

[warm marlin]

oh 4 more seconds of blades

and generic finisher damage

[safe tundra]

i dont have guidon

[warm marlin]

and 6% more blades damage

[safe tundra]

it dropped and someone else got it in my raid, i thought id be ok tho cuz i have puzzle box

[lucid jackal]

AH yeah

I can see how like, u need that LOL

[spiral needle]

start doing windrunner every day to get the poor man's version

[warm marlin]

ye

[remote rapids]

is there a new macro for tricks?

[vestal relic]

tankmd addon

[hushed roost]

how do you get trinkets on the essential bar?

[warped zodiac]

is there a spreadsheet comparing everyone’s tier damage % gains with eachother

[spiral needle]

you have to use a CDM addon to get trinkets onto it

[warm marlin]

addons

[hushed roost]

yeah I'm using bcdm

[left ledge]

so...

where's the ST boss guys

hahaha

?

[hushed roost]

but do you just attach it manually?

or is there an option

[warm marlin]

arcui has a separate section to add cooldowns from any item/spellbook thing

idk about bcdm

[eternal wave]

!aoe

[wicked jolt]

The AoE rotation on subtlety starts with 2 targets. This means:

• Shadowstrike with exactly 2 targets.
• Shuriken Storm with 2 or more targets.
• Black Powder with 2 or more targets.
• Hero talents: Keep using Evis for Coup de Grace / "Darkest Night`.

[spiral needle]

arcui is very robust and very much worth learning

[jagged coyote]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[swift tinsel]

raid ready

[spiral needle]

raiding the buffet?

[left ledge]

how come my panda emits infinite aura

[gilded ferry]

am i playing wrong or, is 2 dances only possible alternating blades?

like, 1st blades 2 dances, 2nd blades 1 dance only

unless we should be desyncying the sectec

[crimson dagger]

is gaze of the alnseer still good?

[stone niche]

#subtlety-faq message we hold

[warped ferry]

hows sub doing compared to the other specs

rogue specs*

[silent geode]

feeling great

im topping charts

[pastel quarry]

I'm a scrub at sub so far, desyncing my shit by accident and everything and I've been top 3 in my raid every single fight (raid)

[eager latch]

in raid or keys

[upbeat sorrel]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[hard trellis]

rut roh raggy i seem to be doing no dmg

[silent geode]

both here

[raven blaze]

so uh am i supposed to put this shitty vers dagger in mainhand or keep the enchanted crafted in mainhand

[warm marlin]

ilvl always mainhand

[raven blaze]

1.9 dps higher mainhand lul

[toxic carbon]

watching Shindig's meter....this is brutal

[hollow compass]

surely veiltouched is better than first dance for a long fight?

[safe tundra]

cant relate

im number 165

16*

LMAO

[wintry heart]

Just got this... are we holding for 30 for blades or just sending on CD?

[lilac stag]

3 minute trinket

[rustic geyser]

the year is 2026
and people are still asking if the higher ilvl should go in the main hand

nothing ever changes

[wintry heart]

wut

[lilac stag]

You treat it like a 3 minute trinket

[spiral needle]

it means you arent holding sblades for it

[vocal pecan]

does the gold arcanoweave lining have a higher proc stat? or does it just change the difficulty of the recipe?

[crystal comet]

Hey, got a bit of a noob question. I just got this trinket from dungeons and it looks pretty good for sub. I tried using it in the Shadow Dance/Blades/SecTec macro, but it's got a 2-second cast time. So wanted to ask, is having a cast time normal on trinkets and that's just something we deal with, or is this one just uniquely bad for macroing with the other CDs?

[pastel quarry]

to be fair my guild isn't a M raiding guild or anything just casual AOTC :p

[odd jacinth]

Do we send Black pow if 2 or more targets?

[spiral needle]

uniquely bad for macroing, and you won't want your sblades/trinket in the same macro as dance/sec tech if/when you get the on use haste trinket

[wintry heart]

I just got both of these trinkets in the same dungeon

[lusty acorn]

Give it to me

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[final cliff]

is this poopy

[crystal comet]

word, thank you! can I ask a follow-up, why don't you want to have sblades/trinket in the same macro as dance/sectec when you get the haste trinket? (assume that's Light Company Guidon?) is it because it also has a cast time?

[spiral needle]

the server needs a tick to detect you have the extra haste and apply it to dance/tec

so when you send it all at once, it won't know

[crystal comet]

Ah ok, so I assume you'd want something like
macro 1:
trinket + sblades
macro 2: dance + sectec, so it can detect the trinket before applying Deepening Shadows?

[warm marlin]

hmm just played the entire night with guidon forgetting that this was a thing

excellent

[spiral needle]

i could be repeating old info, never know

[warm marlin]

no its true

i just forgot it was a thing

[spiral needle]

unlucky

[spiral needle]

yessir

[stone niche]

why do we not want to spend ancient arts on secret technique? doesnt it copy all 3 hits or is it something else?

[warm marlin]

it does not copy all 3 hits only the first one

[sharp creek]

So we still not using gloomblade?

[umbral fulcrum]

for the 2nd dance during blades, do you just rip it on cd? will sectec be my 1st or 2nd finisher reliably or do i need to pay attention

[honest void]

that is correct

[fair stump]

is that intended? or a bug?

[sharp creek]

Thanks chief.

[honest void]

based on wording of AA it should work that way

but i'm sure it's something to do with clones summoning clones or some bs

[spiral needle]

doesnt it only copy first hit of coup too

[edgy socket]

Is there a lockout for loot LFR?

[safe tundra]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=250258/vessel-of-tortured-souls#comments

is there a way to make this easier to use

lmfao

[spiral needle]

it's a classic sim trap

10 years later and blizzard still doesn't make those little orb doohickeys easier to see

[pastel quarry]

I gotta get better at making sure I have my 2 dances for blades and not desyncing my shit lol it seems so easy until you're doing mechanics and realize you're all messed up

[lucid jackal]

The trinket is beyond OP

[small helm]

do we always save 2 shadow dances for shadow blades?

[lucid jackal]

Its balanced by being annoying

Its like transmitter

[small helm]

is it fail if I only have 1 shadow dance for shadow blades?

[subtle jay]

sim yourself

[spiral needle]

yea but you knew where to go for transmitter 2 out of 3 times

[small helm]

yuh rascal

[spiral needle]

trying to find little balls during mythic fights is not a good time

[subtle jay]

how much haste u've got

[safe tundra]

yeah i just wish i had a weak aura to tell me at least when it spawns

[spiral needle]

oh lord i didnt think of that

[safe tundra]

is there a way to set up something that tells me when its procced

[subtle jay]

im unable to fit 2 sectec in shadowblades with 18.24% + BL+ emmberwing feather

[spiral needle]

you might be able to set up arcui to do that

[safe tundra]

i havent been using arcui

too many people stopped updating / going on strike and i just dont trust anybody anymore

[subtle jay]

so just using 2 SD during first SB then wait half a sec and use SD + sectec

[spiral needle]

like set a trinket in one of the groups, and then see if it lets you create a bar

0 idea if it would work

[safe tundra]

i dont think it would

because it isnt on use

[spiral needle]

that's evne a greater crime then

making annoying little orbs

[umbral fulcrum]

any answerers

[small helm]

18%

[spiral needle]

i think the calculus changes a little bit when you get tier set + on use haste trinket so people may not be 100% certain yet

[umbral fulcrum]

dang

[spiral needle]

i know you start getting that second sec tech, but dunno about perfect sending of second dance

[umbral fulcrum]

intuitively i should have a supercharge for sectec no?

[spiral needle]

that's something only a sim could answer

you might lose dance uptime during sblades if you hold too long, but i cant tell unless I actually have hands on

the real professionals are likely in raid atm and might be why you havent received a 100% answer

[umbral fulcrum]

well as it is rn my sectec doesn't come back until the very end of blades

[spiral needle]

yea that'll change when sblades has 4 more secs

[west tide]

guys does it matter which enchant is in the mh..

not even a lil bit..?

[pine oyster]

No sir.. but sim yourself for peace of mind 🙂

[jaunty heath]

did they buff this thing

[lucid jackal]

No they added the roleplay way to buff it into sims

And by default its all turned on

It also wasnt working in sims

[jaunty heath]

ah

so its now simming correctly?

[lucid jackal]

Correct

But u need to have done the roleplay to level it up

[jaunty heath]

oh i did not do anything not aware of it

[lucid jackal]

By the quartermaster theres a quest

and then go do the voidstorm

ull get 2 currency to spend in a talent tree

those points make it better

[west bluff]

how would you use algethar puzzlebox a second time in a fight? would you wait to use shadow blades or it isnt worth it

[jaunty heath]

on my way

[lucid jackal]

Just use it with 2nd blades

[honest void]

oh damn i thought that roleplay stuff was just to get my mount

[gilded ferry]

apparently it is not worth it to bp on vorasius right

those little slimes

[lucid jackal]

Evis on 2 target

[jaunty heath]

which one tho

[warm marlin]

it might be doomed

you might be right

paladins was one of the most depressing sub experiences ever

and cds on vaelgor are truly unimaginably cursed

[honest void]

tbf i think paladins was going to be doomed from the get go

[chrome palm]

flexible cds thank u blizzard

[honest void]

is it cause mechanics overlap during cds?

[warm marlin]

no it just doesnt line up naturally

i didnt do my normal prep but if you strictly cast on cd like 1/5 dances line up with add spawns

[swift tinsel]

really hoping heroic/mythic are fun

[warm marlin]

and now if you ever hold its really bad if you dont get a payoff

[swift tinsel]

I am

so bored

[warm marlin]

im kinda not looking forward to split 2 playing sub again :/

[honest void]

[crystal quiver]

Whats the exact haste # we want? is it 18% or whats the flat value

[gloomy slate]

huyd

[swift tinsel]

yeah sub hasn't been feeling overly great but I'm chalking it up to first day stuff

[gloomy slate]

guys

apparently if ur Deathstalker on paladin, ur hero talent wont trigger

entire time

cus they bubble

even with vanish

[honest void]

isn't it only the ret one that doesnt bubble?

[lucid jackal]

I know I'm percieved as the outlaw coper but like

[gloomy slate]

i dunno but it bugged at the beginning and after that it was gg

[lucid jackal]

I do genuinely think this is just a bad sub tier

[gloomy slate]

yeah :/

[lucid jackal]

Other than nexus king

Ironically enough

[small helm]

Even cosmos?

[lucid jackal]

Or not ironic

Coincidentally

[lucid jackal]

Uh maybe cosmos idk

[warm marlin]

idk i did also grief myself with macroing guidon

and tier is really good

damage was good still relatively

[lucid jackal]

Outlaw day is tomorrow for me

Showtime

[warm marlin]

i do have the 266 weapon

could rip it next week

return to my roots

[lucid jackal]

IF theres ever an outlaw tier, it is this one

Except nexus king

Like u have to have rocks in ur brain to not see sub on nexus king

But like maybe thats a 2 pull boss and it doesnt matter

[west tide]

its a anythin tier this shit feels too easy

[swift tinsel]

sub just kinda feels awkward on a few fights so far

[spiral needle]

secret assassination tier

[lucid jackal]

Its a sword tier bro

[spiral needle]

sadly i think it's going to be everything is so medicore you are lucky atrophic exists play whatever tier without some help next week

[latent kindle]

how do i keep my valeera alive

[lucid jackal]

LEvel her up

[latent kindle]

19 too low?

[swift tinsel]

don't really need her leveled

just be proactive in grabbing pots bc its a HoT

that stacks

[arctic heart]

outside raid ones, which set of trinkets are our bis? puzzle box and feather?

both on use is bad no?

[astral axle]

bro ||after you clear voidspire the music in silvermoon changes||

[shrewd lantern]

wasnt dance supposed to be 8.1

with 700ish haste

i dont recall it being 7.5 before reset

[warm marlin]

684 = 7.4

[chrome palm]

sword doesnt feel very good either

[honest void]

eh she kinda just bugs out where she survives things even at lower levels and then also just keels over

[lucid jackal]

Ur playing rogue bud

[shrewd lantern]

i could have sworn it was 8 but

[flint folio]

Is it worth crafting weapons now, or is it better to wait for the price of sigils to drop?

[manic ice]

my valeera is lvl 45, and is just falling over lol

[swift tinsel]

wonder if my shitter vdh can solo nullaeus

[lilac stag]

if you do r2 everything else, crafters maxed out dont need the r2 sigil

@lucid jackal gunslinger tier?

[lucid jackal]

[bleak night]

outlaw insano op giga tier

pew pew

[vestal relic]

https://tenor.com/view/pew-futurama-phillip-j-fry-pew-pew-pew-billy-west-gif-5364124

[frail kindle]

yes

actually outlaw tier

few good sub fights

[lilac stag]

[frail kindle]

lowkey even see assa lowkey being good on a few

[shell vector]

To a rogue that has killed this fucker, are you just playing raid ST build on the delve boss?

[sour horizon]

anyone got the haste breakdown chart?

[swift tinsel]

ye just used raid build

[lilac stag]

684-700 is the number you want

[sour horizon]

nice 686

thats what I was looking for ty ty

[stone niche]

haptics is there any indicator if valeera will self heal before i run into the boss again or do i have to gamble

[swift tinsel]

idk just gotta yolo it

watch for the tankbuster

get the hot ticking for it

anyway bedtime this raid is weird

[stone niche]

aight thanks, imma try until i see how it looks like when shes healing herself xd

[wispy hearth]

yeah she keeps dying for me

[swift tinsel]

Have the hot stacked by the time the tankbuster goes off

Bc it’ll truck her otherwise

Then she gets meleed to death

[random plinth]

its buggy/hotfixed

theres some chat in sin channel abt it, some people experience her healing a ton and others dont

[swift tinsel]

Idk for me picking up the hearts didn’t insta-heal her ever but the ticking hot portion did

So I just played around that

She survives the tankbuster => you win

[stone niche]

yea for me she doesnt heal herself at all, no hot ticks no insta heals

[swift tinsel]

I’ve never ever seen her heal from picking up an orb herself though idk if that’s a thing

[stone niche]

oh no idea, used to work that way with brann so i figured its the same here

[jagged coyote]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[floral karma]

does anyone know if the sub talents changed?

[stone niche]

do you see a hot buff on her if you pick up a healing orb?

[shell vector]

WHY DOES VALEERA DIE?!

[wispy hearth]

no buff

[swift tinsel]

Sounds like a buggy mess

[shell vector]

I've died twice in a row to her dying and an orb dragging me away from ressing her 😭

[swift tinsel]

[zenith mirage]

valeera just getting globaled or what

[shell vector]

SHe fucking like

taunts or some shit

[swift tinsel]

Big strike hurts on top of big melees

Well if you cast shadow dance it dumps your threat

So he aggros to her insta

Really wish they’d get rid of that

We have tricks, don’t need a threat dump

[stone niche]

do you have a log of your kill haptics?

or some1 elses?

[swift tinsel]

Nope

[zenith mirage]

so whats the plan for it now

my valeera is whipping out an insane 15k hps

[stone niche]

id be really curious if shes supposed to get her own orbs as a hot

[swift tinsel]

Send it

[zenith mirage]

[swift tinsel]

Yeah idk the healing sounds super scuffed

[zenith mirage]

ur getting tapped for 120k per melee

dont think 14k hps is enough

[simple matrix]

How much worse is a fist weapon in the offhand slot for sub?

[swift tinsel]

Notably worse

!oh