subtlety

[vale pine]

nice

[west tide]

noooo do worse

[graceful crown]

sry for nerf

[west tide]

lmao m0 so good for sub its gonna fuck us or what

[graceful crown]

probably

[vale pine]

idk

[west tide]

everything dies instantly and we got a go everytime

[graceful crown]

we just burst in aoe

[vale pine]

i played with arcane mage and warlocks

[west tide]

same with dev in m0 they suck ass

[vale pine]

so did not feel like subtlety was op

[west tide]

but pack lives long enough they go insane mode

dev dh

[graceful crown]

hopefully m0 doesnt hurts us a lot

if blizz is smart enough

[vale pine]

i doubt

[west tide]

i did mine with a dev and aug

[graceful crown]

at 15s this gonna change aaaaaaa lot

[west tide]

oh ya

[vale pine]

m0 is still group dependent

if tank pulls not that efficient

can't burst that well

[west tide]

how much haste mast u have?

[graceful crown]

this monk pulled very good for me tbh

reached 350-400k

[west tide]

i have too much haste but it feel nicey i have 21% rn lmfao

[west tide]

i gotta regem get more mast

[graceful crown]

i like having good hate

haste*

feels smoothier

and is good in st

[west tide]

mhm its really nice

and my st goes insane

[graceful crown]

that we dont stand out

[west tide]

i enjoy sub so much rn also 3 of my other class friends have been playin sub alts and they are obsessed

[graceful crown]

haha yeah it changed a lot

much easier now

and rotations are easy

min-max is reachable too

[willow knoll]

Been playing with nothing but mages and warlocks

lmao

Sub damage wise seems fine honestly, it can keep up.

black powder pumps hard also

feels exponential though for aoe.

[lusty acorn]

What should i craft first?

[oak sorrel]

me here wondering why on earth we don't run tornado anymore

and then reading what it got changed to

😬

[lusty acorn]

Sub player tell me

[ashen grove]

guide say dagger

[lusty acorn]

One or Wv

Or 2?

[ashen grove]

"Crafting: First craft will be weapon with Darkmoon sigil Hunt."

i just dont know which stats - haste(mastery or crit mastery

[obsidian surge]

Dagger + Belt

[stuck arrow]

Depends on what your gear is for stats.

Sim it.

You can recraft it and change the stats later, too.

[idle aurora]

So until I get that 1 very specific trinket 99% of people want. What’s the plan? Use a 2 min haste trinket and hold combo?

Use two passives and pray to RNJesus?

[dry flame]

After 16x M0s, my rogue is lower ilvl than my alt with 4 dungeons

[idle aurora]

lol this is how I ended up a ret paladin last season I would do 1 10 per week and a pug heroic/first 2 mythic raid and ended up with 4 pc mythic and 2 mythic trinkets and the heroic boots in 6 weeks. It was like well this happened and rogue got like 6 bracers per week in vault lol

Instead of turbo boost they should let us do a vault reroll giving up the slot to the right every roll

But you have to buy them

[dry flame]

Or some sort of a soft-badluck system, where we could set a preference slot, and has a very slightly increased chance for that slot

[shrewd lantern]

all this is irrelevant on heroic week

when the actual gear opens

[idle aurora]

Until that luck continues for 2 months lol

But yeah

[shrewd lantern]

I mean m+ is free gear

[idle aurora]

Mythic or bust!

[dry flame]

I am solo this season, so only pugging unfortunately

[shrewd lantern]

m+ers complain despite they get the freest gear handouts

its crazy tbh

[idle aurora]

Yes/No the best trinkets and quick set peices are still gated behind raid

[shrewd lantern]

depends on the tier

[idle aurora]

I wouldn’t call LFG raiders serious m+ players 🙂

But I get your point

[shrewd lantern]

serious players are title rangers

otherwise no

[idle aurora]

Outlaw channel foronfis

[shrewd lantern]

nerubar was an exception we had decent raid trinkets for once

ermm mfo

nerubar was skardyn's for the longest

[fair phoenix]

im sub

[idle aurora]

I know outlaw has the !addons

If you want a bunch of rogue addons

[shrewd lantern]

yeah meant the command

[fair phoenix]

i forget command is !ui

[shrewd lantern]

i just play whatever spec is good i dont really id as any spec

[idle aurora]

I usually do the opposite on accident

Perfect balance

[fair phoenix]

i hope rogue willbe good, 0 patience to make 10 uis of every char

[idle aurora]

Bro….this is real

[shrewd lantern]

lol?

[fair phoenix]

but i can buy atrocity one xd

[shrewd lantern]

Rogue has never been bad

cope

[fair phoenix]

i mean meta for like r10

[shrewd lantern]

If you want to always be busted play mage

[idle aurora]

But making good UIs is very demanding now

[shrewd lantern]

tf is r10

[fair phoenix]

top 10 region

[idle aurora]

My outlaw one is an effing mess

[fair phoenix]

i play mage

but i dont wanna touch

i dont wanna see what blizzard did

[shrewd lantern]

man plays blizz's golden child

and complains

[fair phoenix]

they said to me arcane its ok

[idle aurora]

Mage is cracked right now

[shrewd lantern]

right now?

it always is

[idle aurora]

lol tru

[glacial mirage]

What are we crafting as sub?

[idle aurora]

Always a dagger

[shrewd lantern]

Mage is like the nepo baby complains when their taxi is a minute late

[fair phoenix]

i play mage because i like to play with, be meta is just a thing i cannot control

but yea almost is meta

like close every season

xd

i played sub in tww and seems really funny

also outlaw, i liked these 2 specs, and assa too

is a diff way to play the game and i loved

[shrewd lantern]

meta doesnt matter for most people

[fair phoenix]

now playing sub i love too

[shrewd lantern]

And the people who it matters for don't ask in a class discord

[onyx flame]

But most people think it does

[fair phoenix]

on this season for me probably doenst matter cause i not push tittle or some shit like that

[shrewd lantern]

I mean zac has gotten title as outlaw

when it was an objectively shit spec

so

People get title with bad specs so what's your point?

[fair phoenix]

im not making any point sir

u are crazy on ur mind right now lol

[idle aurora]

!spreadsheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd lantern]

idk praying something is good when

good is subjective asf

[cyan saddle]

No shot this is real. ST Patchwerk

right?

we can't be THAT bad

[shrewd lantern]

Ok show guardian is above most of these specs

[fair phoenix]

not like druid feral on 90% seasons thats what i mean

[shrewd lantern]

[calm cloud]

pog

ugly fuck mount

[shrewd lantern]

Honestly the worst part about feral

is you're playing on a class boomy exists on

the spec itself isnt shit

[shrewd lantern]

its a revamped white hawkstrider not sure what you were expecting

[fair phoenix]

🐷

[calm cloud]

it was always ugly

only loot drop i got from magister

[shrewd lantern]

Real but what i think of 95% of people's mogs

subjective ig

[fair phoenix]

one good change for midnight is i can use the thunderfury as sub rogue

thats awesome lol

[shrewd lantern]

yeah 1 pixel sword

looks real neat

People who mog pre cata gear i swear don't have eyes.

You can count the pixels on old gear

[fair phoenix]

i like the thunderfury, new mogs are just like the same art

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah you like a single polygon block

[fair phoenix]

not only me i think a lot do

[rain stratus]

Is the renown trinket implemented right on raidbots now?

[shrewd lantern]

boomers with their nostalgia

unc effect go crazy

[fair phoenix]

im not boomer lol i start on bfa

[shrewd lantern]

condolences

If i started this game on bfa i would have quit.

[fair phoenix]

was s2 bfa exactly

[shrewd lantern]

Doesn't change my point

BFA and SL were both awful

lol

[fair phoenix]

i liked cause ussualy when ppls start playing wow they like, the game is really good

[fair phoenix]

im not telling u are wrong, im just telling when i exactly started

cause i lose 1 raid

i dindt know if was fun

[shrewd lantern]

s2 was the best raid of bfa though

s1 was what the actual fuck

[rain stratus]

@vale pine Do you know if the renown trinket is implented right on raidbots yet?

[vale pine]

think raidbots added a option to configure it yesterday

[fair phoenix]

for sure i will switch for night elf this season or to another race, im playing orc maghar

[glacial eagle]

wtf are those UDK numbers

[shrewd lantern]

nelf lol

feels like nelf rogue is pointless

[fair phoenix]

just for apparence not dmg or utility stuff

unless i will tryhard a little

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah vampire female nelf is cool.

If you play male nelf, get help.

[fair phoenix]

the best rogue race changed for m+ on midnight?

[fair phoenix]

is female

[rain stratus]

Does it need configuration while simming it?

[fair phoenix]

i like this kinda stuff

[shrewd lantern]

probably dwarf

Because like title range keys are never a dps check

[vale pine]

pandaren is the highest simming

[shrewd lantern]

just a living one

[fair phoenix]

epstein rogue lol

[vale pine]

because of the food buff

[shrewd lantern]

ehh fuu m+ its probably stoneform op

[vale pine]

but there are a lot of good options

[shrewd lantern]

unless 0 dots to remove

[vale pine]

for m+ stoneform is always op ye

haha

[fair phoenix]

🫡

[shrewd lantern]

for raw dps it was mechagnome

on sims

like tww s1

[fair phoenix]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[fair phoenix]

???

[vale pine]

pandaren is ahead of mechagnome

[shrewd lantern]

food buff is primary this time right

[vale pine]

there is no !ui, it falls back to search for a fit and will fit "guide"

[shrewd lantern]

Probably falls off with later tiers since they dont make new food

[vale pine]

its a shortcomming of my bot implementation for the commands

i could fix wen i have time on hand

[stuck arrow]

I mean NElf isn't terrible for M+ either. Shadowmeld is maybe less good than stoneform. But still good.

[vale pine]

probably ye

[fair phoenix]

👍

[supple barn]

TY fuu all your info very helpful for new player

[shrewd lantern]

not terribly strong for rogue

you already have vanish and dont use it for dps much

[vale pine]

panda is usually good because other abilities get "squished"

[hollow spear]

I like panda

[vale pine]

but stays static in value with more gear

so usually falls behind over time

[shrewd lantern]

% racials like crit damage pull ahead with more gear

on average

[vale pine]

human is always solid

some racials lik crit damage increase are also valuable

[stable plume]

Yo does a castsequence macro for the haste trinket where it casts trinket first press then rest of shadow dance second press fix the shadow dance snapshot issue?

[stuck arrow]

Shadowmeld is still a LoS / missile break. It's not like super crazy on rogue, but it's not exactly bad.

[vale pine]

think off gcd uses don't work with cast sequences

i would need to try, but best suggestion i have is

macro blades + trinket

[shrewd lantern]

realistically racials dont matter for 99% of players

[vale pine]

and use that and the dance + secret macro shortly after

[supple barn]

im playing ne because fuck it l0l

[vale pine]

i am undead, i take the 1.5% dps hit

[vale pine]

n11 is not bad

[shrewd lantern]

dwarf is just consistently really good since both crit damage and stoneform

[stable plume]

I’m just scared that tiny .1s delay is gonna make me miss a gcd

[shrewd lantern]

are very useful typically

[shrewd lantern]

time to go vulpera

[stuck arrow]

I thought you could? Would have to add a timed break between the trinket and dance though, or would cast both in same press.

[vale pine]

not sure how good vulpera is

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure its the worst

or nightborne

night elves from temu arent looking hot

[vale pine]

feel free to test it, i am not entirely sure

[shrewd lantern]

If they're both off global they probably both get cast at the same time

[torpid echo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nVs5etj8GMUqCeYcRPdoLW

is the champ trinket that bad or this trinkets are funky?

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stuck arrow]

Yeah - I'd expect you'd have to do something like this;

/castsequence reset=5 trinket, either [null] or [toy that starts an action], shadow dance

Then you'd have to press it 3 times.

[shrewd lantern]

at that point just press them manually

[stuck arrow]

Might need a cancel request for the toy, if null doesn't work.

I haven't done anything like that in a hot minute. But like. Idk. Should work I think.

[shrewd lantern]

Shouldn't be hard to press a trinket bind then press dance immediately after

[stuck arrow]

I don't disagree. But like - if you find it difficult it's likely an option.

[lilac stag]

Cast Sequences and off gcd cds don’t work

[stable plume]

Is that emberwing looking like our bis M+ trinket

[lilac stag]

press the two buttons. ffs

[stable plume]

I’d love to just never have to worry about it

[tulip light]

@stable plume for m+ prob puzzle box as on use

[hazy breach]

Idk the on-use raid trinket is from the first boss, so its very accessible

But yes puzzlebox is alright too for aoe

[stable plume]

Oh phew so easy mythic bis trinket

[tulip light]

is the trinket from first boss good for any other class? just heard dk so far

[shrewd lantern]

honestly

first tier trinkets are usually super boring

transmitter was a weird outlier

[stable plume]

Damn still the same on use haste issue

Gotta adjust my macros

[soft summit]

just to confirm, we can spend all our adventurer crests leveling up blue gear and then use the veteren crests to craft certain pieces we missing after we run a world tour of mythic 0s

[shrewd lantern]

just press them manually

[stable plume]

Trinket keybind is Shift - shadow blades is CTRL 3 and shadow technique is 5, my hand gonna be playing dance dance revolution

[hazy breach]

You can bind trinket to blades

[stable plume]

Yeah ik im just being whiny it is no problem at all

Funny how they had the goal of getting rid of snap shooting in the game but now this exists tho

[shrewd lantern]

average sub experience

i used to do this without having symbols dance macroed to blades at all

[stable plume]

Hope your carpal tunnel is doing okay fam

[shrewd lantern]

bruh what

💀

its not alot of button presses

[stable plume]

Not a lot just fast all at once

[shrewd lantern]

thankfully i've never experienced anything close to carpal tunnel

[lilac stag]

Well it’s more than two. And no one could play sub before MN rework.

[shrewd lantern]

hard spec || i play fury warrior ||

[jaunty heath]

guys i have 3 rogues and they all sim within 200dps even tho they have all diferent trinkets and stuff 😄

[lilac stag]

Good news, sub is ||fury warrior with short cds||

[shrewd lantern]

real and true

[shrewd lantern]

I recommend booking a session for therapy.

for playing 3 rogues

[jaunty heath]

wdym rogue is fun

[hazy hound]

hey guys, do we have sims comparing specs for rogue? simcraft kinda lackluster

[crystal atlas]

what would be a good middle ground enchant for crafted weapon so I can play the 3 specs?

[hazy breach]

Agi

As its the best

[crystal atlas]

ight wowhead has different ones for each single spec

[shrewd lantern]

isnt one of the new enchants primary proc

unless the stepchild spec outlaw loves green text proc

again

[gilded lodge]

Wait 3-4 weeks

[lilac stag]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rain hull]

do we use Coup de Grace with 6 Combo Points only?

[deft lynx]

My rogue is 4 ilvls higher.. cryin in the club rn

[south pelican]

We crafting our dagger with mastery/haste?

[lilac stag]

sub finishes on 6+ #subtlety-faq

[chrome palm]

Walter ppk does less damage than Paris gun

[deft lynx]

heard

[west tide]

coldguy but hes unholy

take me back to gods country

[deft lynx]

Hides but im not hiding

I've played more unholy than frost on coldguy too actually, just a liar really

[lilac stag]

Sim as blood then youll cry

[river coral]

is that with a crafted dagger?

[deft lynx]

Sadly, yes]

18% haste too

[young harness]

what dps are yall hitting on ST dummies

[west tide]

hella

[cyan saddle]

What we crafting with vet crests boys

[west tide]

shooo

[cyan saddle]

I hope your first 5 vaults of the season are straight dookie. ❤️

[ivory swallow]

Hey folks quick question, we never do more than one ST into a SB right?

[wheat wigeon]

for now, should be doable with tier if i remember correctly

[ivory swallow]

Single target:
SB -> SD -> ST -> (Shadowstrike -> Evi [Till finish first dance]) -> SD -> (Shadowstrike -> Evi [Till finish second dance])

Is that it?

[wheat wigeon]

p much

[ivory swallow]

Nice, another one, I've dropped a weird trinket that doesn't appear on the guides, do you guys know if there is any guide that creates a tier list with all of them?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=250257/eye-of-the-drowning-void

[wheat wigeon]

if its not on the list i would assume not worth equiping, simming yourself is best answer, if better than what you have then go for it

will replace soon anyway

[night sparrow]

Sup so with dance being longer with haste, are we going to basically play the whole expac with 4 dances button such as dance+sectec, dance+storm (til the 0.2 delay on SS fixed), dance+BP, dance+evis, as we don't wanna miss a single GCD inside dance ? Is this real life ?

[lean rover]

• got a nice haste trinket proccing 215 agi I would assume this is fairly good, got it from prey events not on one tier list

[west tide]

personally i only have 1 dance button

[wheat wigeon]

same

[gleaming geyser]

Is there any chance Bubbling Wax is still secretly op? :p Can we sim that?

[sly shore]

can we still macro coup to BP or is that silly

I forgor

[deft lynx]

you can

[west tide]

u a sicko for that

[warm marlin]

its good

[torn tide]

whats a good ilvl to be before next week for pugging?

[sly shore]

240+

[ivory swallow]

Hey, looking at the guides Crimson calamari is our personal food

[warm marlin]

drop one of these badboys in the footer in expert mode temporary_enchant=main_hand:bubbling_wax/off_hand:thalassian_phoenix_oil_2

[ivory swallow]

Dude that is INSANE EXPENSIVE

[rain vault]

yall using both sparks for daggers?

[sly shore]

then use lesser cost food

[sly shore]

only one worth off hand is piss

no spend spark yet though

no worry in waiting

[rain vault]

so don't use sparks period atm?

[sly shore]

definitely not

[ivory swallow]

And why the hast food is better than the primary stat one?

[sly shore]

cos haste gives more damage

[rain vault]

was thinking daggers might be lasting up until mythic raids, but i'll hold on to them 🙂

[sly shore]

than the primary stat one

[deft lynx]

Why definitely not on the weap craft?

[sly shore]

definitely not now

[deft lynx]

Why?

[warm marlin]

isnt the primary stat food better

[gleaming geyser]

100 dps loss 🙁

[warm marlin]

maybe if you're haste starved

[swift tinsel]

main stat sims higher for me

[warm marlin]

hey wax is free though

[swift tinsel]

good thing I have dozens of hearty royal roasts

[sly shore]

If you wanna craft go ahead

[warm marlin]

do you have crafted weapon?

[sly shore]

But I am holding like a good little piggie

[warm marlin]

wax can outscale if your mainhand is disproportionately higher than the rest of your gear due to how it works

[bleak night]

so craft now to abuse wax

[wheat wigeon]

if we want the weapon embelish anyway, whats the harm in crafting now?

[warm marlin]

#subtlety message

[bleak night]

ok well you start out by saying outlaw could be best so we're already 0/1

[sly shore]

impatience is an L

waiting is a W

crafting last minute always better

[warm marlin]

i suspect wax will be better temporarily after sending myth crests on a mainhand

either crafted or drop

[bleak night]

and the chances of a normal player getting double myth track daggers somehow early are astronomically small

[sly shore]

I'm no normal player

[bleak night]

like 95% of people can craft now and be completely safe

[wheat wigeon]

gotcha, i dont play outlaw, seperate toon for that ish

[ivory swallow]

What is the different between the haste foods? There are 3, crimson calamari, fel-kissed filet and null and void whatever, is there any difference?
Becauss crimson is SUPER expensive, while the filet is super cheap...

[bleak night]

that being said, theres also no content to craft for so

[warm marlin]

getting double dagger is quite unlikely

[rain vault]

outlaw would have to be substantially better than sub/sin in order for me to play that clown fiesta

[bleak night]

m0 parses pog

[sly shore]

love doing a little bit more in m0

when I'm already 241

[warm marlin]

but ye technically no reason to craft now

[sly shore]

[rain vault]

well raids next week right? to clear normal and heroic faster and smoother?

[sly shore]

(i've already done my m0 this week)

I don't need a craft to do that

[rain vault]

what weapons do yo uahve currently?

[sly shore]

Well, I will use my veteran crests only

[rain vault]

nice

i mean you are right htough, there is literaly no content atm that reuires crafted weapons

just figured crafted weapons would be lasting well into mythic with recrafts

[sly shore]

Next week we craft 5x veteran items anyway

with veteran crests

since they require no spark

[rain vault]

fair

[elfin pendant]

Is it safe to craft 1 dagger this week? Im hearing conflicting sources.

[wheat wigeon]

lol

[tulip light]

yes

[gleaming geyser]

It means literally nothing

[warm marlin]

why spend 80 crests on a 246 piece when u can upgrade a 240 m0 piece to 250 for 60

other than embellishments

[sour horizon]

If Myth Raider and lucky the best case you get a dagger on the week of 24th

[wheat wigeon]

if you didnt get an m0 piece in the slot

[deft lynx]

m0 drops 246 next week right?

And daily lockout

[warm marlin]

they'll also be champ track

i believe

and champ crests are better used on other things

[vivid phoenix]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[sour horizon]

If M+ only and super rng you can possible get a Myth dagger end of month

[sly shore]

veteran will be used to craft 5x pieces for heroic anyway

especially on split alt(s)

[sour horizon]

I crafted dagger coz im a M+ player mostly, so that base dagger will get me through the first week of M+ to farm the crests to reforge to Myth on 24th week

[raven blaze]

whats the duration of our shadow dance supposed to be? 7.4 or 7.5?

[sly shore]

it's affected by haste

so it is different depending on how much haste stat someone has

[raven blaze]

yes im aware i have haste cap of 700

whats the breakpoint

7.4 or 7.5

at 690 haste its 7.4, at 710 haste its 7.4, at 720ish haste it goes to 7.5

what is the threshold for getting an extra cast

[sly shore]

basically that's the "breakpoints"

you need to care about

7.4s and 7.5s is still 7 globals

[raven blaze]

ty

[sly shore]

functionally identical

[warm marlin]

7.2 if you get a coup in there, realistically want 7.4 to account for human error

7.5 also good

[deft lynx]

that's where all my m0 loot went

[warm marlin]

looks good

[gleaming geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/wrestling-butt-ass-face-in-the-ass-smash-gif-16947850

[steel horizon]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only during lust.

[steel horizon]

holdup so its only worth doing during lust now? i swear i didnt see that mentioned before

[deft lynx]

I just thought the same thing

[warm marlin]

yes only worth in lust now

before you ask what changed we do not know, magic sim happenings in background code decided it

[calm cloud]

me and the homies

https://tenor.com/view/best-friends-spongebob-writing-fingers-gang-gif-14274273

[steel horizon]

now to see if arcui can track lust. lol

[calm cloud]

higher ilvl dagger in offhand?

nvm didnt have my glasses on lmao looked like a 249

[waxen matrix]

may i ask whether we Storm or Strike at 3-Target, if im doing this min/max thing where (during cd's) i use Shadowstrike at max CP's to keep proc'ing Apex Talent

[sly shore]

you only proc apex talent in up to 3 targets during lust

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only during lust.

[sly shore]

and it's just more combo point economy to use storm/strike at those target counts in/out of dance

which leads to more damage output

[stuck arrow]

I just get Vers gear.

You can have it if you want.

[lusty acorn]

You craft 2 daggers?

[pine oyster]

Looks like they crafted 1 and upgraded A vet track one to max

[lusty acorn]

Holy vet crest is rare

[molten latch]

What is the status of the dagger?

[pine oyster]

You can have 300 vet crests this week., not that rare! Upgrading a 240 ilvl vet track dagger from a m0, it’s only 60 crests

[short radish]

no you may not ask. how dare you

the AA optimisation is also 0.2% now or something

[lusty acorn]

Well can i spam m0? Go ger loot or every dungeon just one time

[tulip light]

this week once next week prob daily lockout

[pine oyster]

Once a week for each dungeon.. may be unlucky and not get a dagger to upgrade, so just upgrade an explorer track one to 237

[stuck arrow]

Sure, but it's probably ideal to save for just before raid to maximize heroic / mythic progression DPS.

[pine oyster]

If you raid the day the raid comes out, probably best to send the crests to maximise performance

Plus it’s only vet, next week you can spam m0s on a daily lockout for champion and then the week after m+ for heroic.. veteran is basically only good for early raiders next week

[raven blaze]

is deathstalker gonna be better for raid on 17th?

[tulip light]

hopefully not

[stuck arrow]

I mean. I'm at the point where if it's even close I'm playing Trickster. 😂

Unless they make DS much less.... DS.

[short radish]

no. do not will this into existance

[stuck arrow]

That said - I can't imagine they change much functionally at this point. Maybe a few bug fixes.

They have so much to tune, it'll likely be a laundry list of Aura buffs and nerfs.

[restive venture]

If I have a dmg trink do I want my macro to make the trink used before or after shadow blades

[hazy breach]

Literally irrelevant

Generally anything from your talents/spec does not work on items

[turbid mesa]

does using a fist weapon as a secondary weapon change something?

[hazy breach]

Yes

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[hazy breach]

Much better of buying a green dagger than using a high lvl epic fist weapon

[grand wyvern]

can someone explain what do i craft with veteran crests? right now i have 3 bad slot (237) gloves, shoulder and ring, i would want to craft ring but doesnt have arcanoweave embellishment, which should i craft?

[supple barn]

This is the quality we want to use for our farstriders correct? I was going to do Mastery Haste based of the stat priority in the guides as well

[neat whale]

Hey, im new to rogue - I am reading this chat, and was wondering why people dont like Death Stalker?

[short radish]

feels bad to play

youre target locked

[lusty acorn]

Heroic raid drop champoin?

Next week

[neat whale]

Due to the Mark in AOE correct? or would that apply in Raid as well in a situation with a Prio add as well?

[short radish]

yeah and if the boss goes immune/away

think ansurek

or council boss before that

it just feels really bad to play

youre so constricted

[hazy breach]

And every so often the mark just decided to leave

And youre playing without a hero talent for the rest of the fight

[neat whale]

gotcha, well... with my current secondary's, im doing like 2k more dps on dummies with that talent, im assuming its probably not worth the higher dps due to the drawbacks of the mark then?

[hazy breach]

On pure ST deathstalker isnt horrible, its just slightly behind

[supple barn]

i guess i see more people going crit/mastery on crafted dagger

[hazy breach]

Anything with aoe it tends to fall of a cliff though

[hazy breach]

If you already have the haste you need then you would craft crit mastery

it doesnt particularly matter

Just dont craft it with vers and youre fine

[supple barn]

im pretty fresh 90

Ive done my preys and some world quests

[hazy breach]

World of warcraft is not a game where your secondary stats matter much

[supple barn]

ok

[hazy breach]

For the most part just get ilvl

[supple barn]

https://tenor.com/view/emotiguy-salute-joe-hi-emotiguy-joe-salute-gif-12916449566301630787

[north garnet]

Any info on embellishments yet?^^

[hard trellis]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[hard trellis]

i need tricks macro

[raven blaze]

@long sun @tawny river

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only during lust.

[torpid echo]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only during lust.

[dire ravine]

I actually did not know this was only to be used during lust.

I had been using it outside of lust, the same way.

[soft oriole]

Think it’s a recent change

Either that or I can’t read

Could be either of those things quite easily

[dire ravine]

Im sure after the season starts, Ill be in Charrends logs or something looking @ how shit actually plays in content

[serene notch]

I am ready to get flamed , if shadow strike does 486% attack power damage and a danse macabre tick does 420% damage attack power dam, why is it not plus overall damage to mix in additional danse damage ticks in ST by weaving in more abilities like storm or BP?

[warm marlin]

yes recent

Was always before

[dire ravine]

whats changed? there hasnt been any blue posts?

[deft lynx]

magic sims or someth

[warm marlin]

It is a mystery

[dire ravine]

[hazy breach]

Because those numbers ignore tons of other amplifiers and modifiers

[serene notch]

Could you give me 1 or 2 off the top of your head so I can educate myself?

[hazy breach]

Lethality, dark shadows, weaponmaster

Deeper daggers, crit damage on builder in trickster, crit chance with builders in class tree

Probably more

[deft lynx]

Does anyone know if cooldown manager or bcdm allows you to set a buff to only show if it's at or above a certain amount of stacks?

[dire ravine]

I dont believe CDM has conditions like that available. Are you talking about SHT stacks @ >=5?

[deft lynx]

Yee

[serene notch]

Lethality is interesting…..it makes me wonder if there’s a universe where I raw gouge with whatever that ability is that does 50% shadowstrike dam

[dire ravine]

Honestly, after ab a day of practice, it wasnt too bad kind of managing the stacks manually. My only gripe is when it goes from like 4 to 6 or something after Ive already full committed to spending 😛

[deft lynx]

Yeah it's the 4-6 thing that's getting to me too haha

[raven blaze]

psa console affects trinket in instanced content

just tested on shindig's stream

fully upgrade it before raid !

[dire ravine]

I think theres a ui, maybe ARCUI? that will change your combo points to pink(?) if its available? im unsure.

[deft lynx]

Taaa, I'll just live with the pain of spending as it goes to 5+ haha

it's only in lust now anyway so kind of goes away

[soft oriole]

I imagine messing it up a couple of times was not the end of the world. Probably more impactful now it’s in a condensed window of time. In terms of how costly one mistake is I mean

[dire ravine]

Guess that 1.5% optimization is moot now?

[thorny wagon]

Don you gamble irl ?

[north garnet]

What does this mean?

[dire ravine]

Im a very emotional gambler, so I try not to hehe

[thorny wagon]

Your Name... Its a Slot. Thats why im asking lol

[deft lynx]

voidstorm renown trinket is affected by the voidstorm console buffs, even in instanced combat (raids and dungeons etc)

[north garnet]

Thank you

[dire ravine]

oh my bad King, no- completely not related lol

[deft lynx]

idk if raidbots let you sim the trinket with console buffs atm though so idk how much better it is than other 246 trinkets if at all

[idle marlin]

Is the Crucible of Erratic Energies actually as bad as it's simming?

[thorny wagon]

Noone knows since its not simming at all

[soft oriole]

[dire ravine]

and confirmed manually proccing the apex outside of lust is dead?

[tidal salmon]

10th time today hearing 'you'll get nerfed next week'

[deft lynx]

As sub??

[tidal salmon]

ye

will probably tho idk 😄

[deft lynx]

Woke nonsense

We only look good bc we can send every pack and they die in burst

[timber venture]

should i be waiting to craft a dagger?

[dire ravine]

I crafted dagger alr

send it boi

[tidal salmon]

i can smell devs cookin us on higher keys, hope they dont based on m0 perfs

[dire ravine]

craft what ur heart tells u to

[ivory swallow]

What missives you are using for crafting the dagger 259?

[deft lynx]

I used whatever the haste mastery one is called

[mild carbon]

is there any spark usage in pvp? i wanna craft the dagger for pve but not screw my pvp prog

[tidal salmon]

crit/mast haste/mast both ok, depends on ur stats

[mild carbon]

any difference between the single gold dark moon sigil :hunt and the 2 silver version?

pentagon symbol thingy

[soft oriole]

recipe difficulty

[mild carbon]

ah

what do most crafters charge for this dagger? first time trying this out

[copper river]

Is it a bad idea to craft a dagger...? I really want to.

[deft lynx]

it's pure vibes, no real reason to craft it bc content atm doesnt need it but if you want too then you do you

[smoky egret]

no. you can craft away because even if you get lucky you just move it to your off hand.

[mild carbon]

what item lvl am i trying to get on this craft?

[deft lynx]

259

[mild carbon]

o gotchaa

mastery/haste is ok right?

[deft lynx]

yeah mastery haste is good

[severe estuary]

have you guys seen what blood mallet is saying for trinkets? its really weird

[mild carbon]

hmm i only see the +246+ ilvl option in the public craft

[long sun]

if i have some data on how the crucible trinket is supposed to perform (with respect to how often it procs, the buff that gets provided, etc.) can i make a fake trinket on raidbots that takes its place since the trinket isn't simming correctly rn?

like can i make a placeholder trinket or smth

idk how

[deft lynx]

Dont public craft, ask in trade chat for someone that can craft the dagger and do it that way

[lusty acorn]

Can you share youre platyntor profile i like it

[silver hearth]

hey guys, i dont really understand what the guide means when it says to craft the belt. "The belt slot is one of the slots with lower stat budgets, its is ideal to hold your second embellishment" what does this mean?

[copper river]

So I want Farstrider's Mercy right for the dagger? The one that has the passive embelishment doesn't seem too strong.

[deft lynx]

yes

[copper river]

Which embelishment is best for M+?

Having trouble finding the notes in the pins.

[long sun]

its plater

jundies profile

[copper river]

Oh wait, was looking in the wrong channel's pins. Darkmoon sigil hunt then?

[deft lynx]

yeah

[mild carbon]

did i do this correctly? o.o

[deft lynx]

You did

[mild carbon]

tyty 🙂 first craft was a bit stressful but i appreciate the help

[deft lynx]

it's all good!

[mild carbon]

1 last question! does it stay at 259 forever? or do i need to find crests for this guy too

[short radish]

need to find crests

[deft lynx]

Probably a super long shot but does the itemID of the trinket change depending on capstone of the crucible selected?

[pastel quarry]

keep simming and it always puts my 259 in my OH, is there a reason for this? nvm it's bugging out and screwing with my enchants

[loud wharf]

Welp see yall next week Gearing is done for the week

[jagged coyote]

Anyone else not like the fact that we are using a generator at max combo points to proc our apex buff?

[thorny wagon]

Coming from TWW S3 playing WW and overcapping Chi like crazy, no i dont mind. Feels natural lol

[dire ravine]

Looks like its only viable now in lust windows.

[brazen steppe]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tough knot]

243 with 6 blues is crazy

[dusky tundra]

if everyone crafting 2 pieces of gear this week?

or just dagger

[spare totem]

They upgraded their gear i think

[tough knot]

Can only craft one this week, second craft next week with the 4th spark

[tough knot]

Probably, if those blues are maxed out you still need a higher than 246 average on the purples

[silver hearth]

I'm still confused about the part of the guide that says to craft a belt and why

[tough knot]

You mean the wowhead guide? There's an explanation there

[silver hearth]

yeah I don't understand it

[tough knot]

What part you don't understand?

[silver hearth]

"The belt slot is one of the slots with a lower stat budget, making it ideal for crafted gear"

[bleak night]

each slot gives a different amount of stats

[thorny wagon]

Yeah so is bracers

[bleak night]

belts are one of the slots that give the least

and bracers

meanwhile stuff like chest gives the most stats

[dusky tundra]

u can craft 2 pieces for embellishment with no sparks needed

[silver hearth]

So why would you want to craft a piece of gear that gives less stats?

[bleak night]

so if you have to craft something which will end up at a lower ilvl than maxed myth pieces, you want it on a low stat slot

[bleak night]

bc embellishments

are good

[tough knot]

Yeah, and having it at a lower Ilvl while you use your crests to upgrade other pieces, while keeping the embellish on it is worth it

[bleak night]

like the embellishment does the same thing if its on a belt or a chest, so you put it on the belt because you're giving up fewer stats for it

[tough knot]

Not just end up, you can just throw a hero track craft there and leave it for a while, use your crests to upgrade your weapon craft + other slots

[bleak night]

or bracer or w/e

[tough knot]

Will myth crest season limit start next week or the mythic release week?

I guess you can get some from like delves

[hearty mural]

how do i do that? dont you need a spark to craft an item with an embelish?

[dusky tundra]

vet item with embellish?

[hearty mural]

ahh i see so basically blues

[dusky tundra]

yep

[rich hornet]

Hello, it's my first time playing rogue and iwanted to ask should i use secret technique whenever is up on cd or only at 6 combo points ?

[potent heath]

On CD with 6+

[hearty mural]

do i just put both arcanoweave lining?

[rich hornet]

and if im in aoe, black powder has the same playstile like if im at 4 combo points i'll just another shuriken storm before using it ?

[potent heath]

Exactly

Spend with 5 or less is just a waste

[rich hornet]

ok ty so much

also what is better for mythic plus and raid between subt and outlaw i kinda wanna try both

[dusky tundra]

dont we send sectech only in dance?

[potent heath]

OnCD with Dance yes

Mb

[frigid prawn]

Why?

[dire ravine]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only during lust.

[dire ravine]

@frigid prawn

[potent heath]

What is « lust » ?

[pine oyster]

Bloodlust/heroism/ancient hysteria

[dire ravine]

Heroism

[potent heath]

Ma gad a

Heroism is a passive ?

Or something ?

[dire ravine]

10min haste ultimate.

[bleak night]

its the funny button people press to go faster

[potent heath]

Oooohhhh

Called B-L

Blood Lust

Ok I see

Thx

[dire ravine]

Yesh

[potent heath]

« Enrangement du Faucon » in French

[dire ravine]

Engage the falcon, indeed.

[potent heath]

For Falcon

[lusty acorn]

Guys should i craft or not now?

I dont waste 2 spark

If its not important

[onyx flame]

You can craft the dagger, even if you switch to outlaw it is still a good offhand

[lusty acorn]

In the future we cant craft hero track ? 270 lvl dagger

For example

[onyx flame]

Yeah so you recraft it then

[lusty acorn]

For same spark?

[onyx flame]

For same spark and like 50% of the mats

[lusty acorn]

Alr so there is no waste

[onyx flame]

No

Only a little Gold

[lusty acorn]

I will craft today thank you for response

[onyx flame]

Sure mate, have a great day

[dry plank]

Wait AA optimization only during lust?

[short radish]

yes

[stiff stirrup]

wait...since when

[short radish]

day and a half ago

[stiff stirrup]

were there any specific changes? just got used to tracking AA and rotation xd

[short radish]

clearly you don't subscribe to the newsletter

smh

[rich hornet]

any crafters for our dagger up ?

[short radish]

nah just that it's not as worth it anymore

no balancing changes (yet)

but it's now 0.2% dps increase in lust

to do the optimisation

[dry plank]

And 0.00001 outside ? 🙂

[dry plank]

Oh it is not worth even bothering I guess

[short radish]

yeah i dont think im going to bother

[stiff stirrup]

server?

[rich hornet]

silvermoon

[barren hull]

sim bait?

[rich hornet]

does it matter wich one i get

seems like they give the same stats

[bleak night]

the recipe difficulty is the only difference

crafter might need r2 to make it at max rank

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[shut dawn]

Just to confirm - outside of shadow blades, we never send a naked shadow dance right? I.e., we only send dance with sectech and hold while sectech is on CD?

[golden totem]

Yes

You shouldn't cap dance this way

2 dances with blade, else 1 dance per sectec

[sterile zenith]

Do u craft your mainhand weapon with or without veteran crest ? Larian says: If you want a small boost going into N/H week, you can craft it now with no crests then update it with Myth Crests in a couple weeks. If you do this, you only need to hold 80 Veteran Crests.

[mild carbon]

other than the renown lvl 9 gear are there any other sources to obtain more champion gear?

[alpine wraith]

not right now

[shut dawn]

Ty!

[vale osprey]

Yeah you use spark and craft an embellished one at 259

[fallow nimbus]

You can't use veteran crests for spark crafts

Spark is 259 without crests and then hc/myth crests

[lean sigil]

do we wmbelish the 246 stuff we craft with veteran this week or save that for belt next week? got one on wep

[sterile zenith]

guide not updated then i guess 😄

[vale osprey]

It's updated it literally doesn't say to use veteran for spark crafts

They're 2 diff things

You're either

1. sending dagger spark craft + 1x 80 veteran for a second embellished slot

2. sending 160 veteran for 2x embel

[sterile zenith]

now maybe i got it.
U will not embelish dagger and craft 1 item with veteran with embelish and spend the rest of the crest for upgrading other items

[cobalt patrol]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only during lust.

[vale osprey]

You embelish the spark dagger

[sterile zenith]

maybe i should just look up new crafting system before i start thinking 😄

[fair wedge]

yo am i fucked i full cleared m0 and got 3 items which were all lower than the rep items i have 😭

[paper flame]

just craft spark dagger (farstrider's mercy) without crests + 1 armor piece with 80 veteran crests. both items with embellishment

upgrade farstrider's mercy with myth crests when these unlock

[cobalt patrol]

Is it worth it to craft the dagger now before the tuning on 17th?

I'm a tad worried that outlaw will be the thing instead of sub

[shut dawn]

How does this work next week tho if u craft a spark wrist w/ embellishment? Aren’t you only allowed 2 embellishments?

[fallow nimbus]

Outlaw will never be the thing

[paper flame]

you can remove embellishments from items

[fallow nimbus]

Recraft the vet or replace it

[shut dawn]

Word thx

[cobalt patrol]

Think so? It currently sims higher in both ST and dung slice

[sterile zenith]

but need 100% uptime

[paper flame]

it always does

[sage pond]

whats the gain of using 80 vet without sparks, why wouldnt we craft with spark again?

if i understand correctly we dont use a spark until much later on after we initially crafted dagger with spark

[barren hull]

246ilvl with embelishment

[sage pond]

so why not use the second embellishment with spark again instead of vet?

[barren hull]

guess depends on embelishment you want vs slot

[lilac stag]

You’re waiting to see what drops from raid and vaults and m+ before crafting 2nd spark.

MH weapon is a no brainer. Second craft is minimal so just use “useless” crests to get 2nd embellishment

[slender glade]

what emblishment should i use for my weapon?

[alpine wraith]

darkmoon hunt

[verbal kelp]

Hello, I have a crafted 259 dagger with embelishment, and i wonder if we should craft another item for the second embelishment, but i'm not sure what slot?

[hardy agate]

Is it the call to craft the dagger already this week?

[quasi dove]

Guys, could you help me with some good talents?

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hardy agate]

or do we wait for gilded crests?

[alpine wraith]

many of us have crafted spark dagger

mainly because we will upgrade it to M ilvl as soon as possible for more prog

[golden totem]

Yeah we're chilling compared to non dual wielders

Feels good

[golden totem]

#subtlety message

[atomic steeple]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[dapper cradle]

guys why we needen 18% haste

elp

[short radish]

for shadow dance

[alpine wraith]

to make shadow dance longer yes

[raven blaze]

my macro wont use potion?

[verbal kelp]

Thanks

[raven blaze]

i removed /use 13&14, and oh fuck it works but it eats the big one

how do i make it eat the lower tier potion for practice

[short radish]

#showtooltip
/use [combat]item:212971
/use [combat]item:212970
/use [combat]item:212969
/use [combat]item:212265
/use [combat]item:212264

thats my old potion macro

replace the item ids with the ones you want to use

[junior ether]

ye u need item ID to use specific little one potion

[short radish]

for context this one used the cauldron ones first

[junior ether]

or just move big one to warband bank

ezpz

xD

[verbal kelp]

Is it worth farming the 246 neck from amani tribe if we have 240 haste/mastery neck from m0?

[raven blaze]

so this should work?

[short radish]

it's 6 free ilvls/2upgrade tiers

[raven blaze]

is an upgrade worth it if it takes a long time for a small increase, DEPENDS ON YOU BRO

[short radish]

you do the math

[short radish]

yeah

[junior ether]

ye

[alpine wraith]

well you should have had the neck like 1 or 2 weeks ago

now it is kinda whatever but hey still some ilvl

[raven blaze]

question: when do we pot in our opener?

[alpine wraith]

before dance

[verbal kelp]

unfortunately i'm a dirty casual now 🙁

[raven blaze]

the opener is shadowstrike, coup, dance, shadowstrike, sectech, right?

[alpine wraith]

depends on what you want to do

you can strike dance sec tech etc

[raven blaze]

just talking basic single target opener for raid

for best dmg

[alpine wraith]

or strike evis vanish strike dance sec tech etc

[raven blaze]

no variables

[alpine wraith]

both are kinda neutral with eachother

[raven blaze]

just pure "im hitting a target dummy"

[alpine wraith]

although the vanish one can highroll more

[raven blaze]

explain?

[alpine wraith]

if you get a reset from unseen

[raven blaze]

so its better? or worse if u dont highroll?

[alpine wraith]

they are neutral

as in not much diff most of the time

[raven blaze]

neutral but better if you highroll means better

bc that'd be neutral positive

[alpine wraith]

well sometimes you do less dmg too because you lose bl or other things uptime so it pans out

[raven blaze]

bl?

[alpine wraith]

blood lust

[raven blaze]

oh because u arent hitting u mean

not swinging i mean

during vanish

what happens to these in raid?

will you always start with 0 cp or 7 cp and 0 ShT stacks or max?

i wanna practice the opener but i just tried to and i had AA ready which i assume will not be the case for raid

it let me shadowstrike, coup, sectech which would be amazing if possible lol

[tulip light]

I like how you have the character screen open for ilvl flex

[raven blaze]

:3

[limpid sage]

It resets

[raven blaze]

yes what does it reset to

0 or max

[limpid sage]

The default which is 0

[raven blaze]

for both?

[limpid sage]

Ye

You can send a shadow dance before combat to get 2 extra supercharged finishers though

Those aren’t removed on pull

[raven blaze]

so i want this

2 supercharged, 0 ShT

and no slice

kk time to practice, god its a bitch removing all the ShT stacks

in a spot like this, is it better to backstab to 7 then sectech?

or do i wanna be pressing sectech the second its ready if i have at least 5 CP

or should i be holding my finisher just incase i dont get enough ShT stacks to fill up again, in a spot like this where i ended up having 1 too little

[tepid trellis]

its okay to finish on 6

and sectech is only used during dance and never outside

[raven blaze]

i have a stack of dance ready, thats what the 1 is

this thing is pretty good lol

omg you can rightclick off your shadow techniques stacks

[vale pine]

wouldn't do that

[verbal wagon]

if we're not deathstalker, is it still advisable to have a shadow dance + shuriken storm macro? or is it just secret technique + shadow dance?

[cursive vapor]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[limpid sage]

Worse removing the escalating blades

If you wanna do giga optimal opener, go use a sectec without anything on the dummies, reset combat, shadow dance and wait till you have the charge again and wait till you have both sectec and dance up

You’ll keep the 2x free unseen blades from the sectec as it doesn’t reset on pull

[junior ether]

is there anything like this for content release?

when and what gonna be available soontm

[vale pine]

Heroic is next week, mythic the week after and the last raid the week after

I don't know if its a common question, so unsure if there would be a need to invest time to create visuals for it

[sick jackal]

I hear there is a myth track item from abundance, is there a place where i can know how to get it?

[olive canyon]

Hey when it comes to the listed haste breakpoints, is it linear in returns or is there a reason that 18% is sort of our highest prio stat wise and then we go from there? if i am understanding that correctly

[cobalt shore]

Hey, is it worth it to craft a main weapon right now?

[onyx flame]

Will the m0 with daily lockout drop champion gear next week?

[exotic steeple]

we can have 300 veteran crest this week?

[onyx flame]

Yes

[exotic steeple]

damn im at 200, done all 0s

[onyx flame]

rnd preys

[exotic steeple]

gotcha

[lilac stag]

It’s not a percent. It’s a hard number of 684-700 haste in order to get additional gcds in dance. After that at current ilvl it’s not worth it.

[exotic steeple]

ty

[olive canyon]

perfect thank you

[hoary orchid]

hey guys, what personal food yall using? crimson calamari looking kinda expensive to craft

[vale pine]

Think only after season 1 starts

but unsure

e.g. m+ is only week 2

so, the way i understand it

you get veteran gear still next week

[azure thicket]

has anyone tried skada as a details replacement?

[hoary orchid]

for real? thats such a delay

[marble sail]

Royal roast is crazy good, 50 main stat and 90 stam

[azure thicket]

i got a 4th dagger

[vale pine]

moment

[marble sail]

Why would u ever replace details

[vale pine]

let me check quick

[azure thicket]

apparently its still broken and wonk

it's not?

[hoary orchid]

might give it a try, those octopus are expensive

[vale pine]

oh no

[marble sail]

No its not 😭

Its just blizzards being shit making it bad

Skada will have same issues

[azure thicket]

oh so it's gonna crank errors out like a error machine

[marble sail]

Ur not suppose to get errors

Thats on ur side

[hollow spear]

well, I heard from a lot of people that they get bugsacked to death with details

[azure thicket]

i've had it off since prepatch i have no current reference level

[marble sail]

I have 0 bugs in bugsack

[azure thicket]

[vale pine]

17th march week should be:

• level 11 delves
• Worldbosses (2/6 champion)
• M[0] champion gear
• Nightmare pray for champion gear

so ye

[tepid raven]

It was broken for a bit but it’s been fixed now

[marble sail]

and RAID???

[tepid raven]

It was sending a million errors before

[marble sail]

fuu keeping the gear tech to himself i see

[hollow spear]

is Nightmare prey going to be the same as Hard prey, i.e. 2 rewards per week?

[marble sail]

Ye

[tepid raven]

Probably

[azure thicket]

gonna have to turn it back on then

[hollow spear]

looking forward to getting 2 shiny champion wrists or cloaks

[marble sail]

I dont want more daggers

I have 5

😭

[tepid raven]

Can I have 1

[azure thicket]

i got a preyseekers band

crit vers ring :horf:

[tepid raven]

I have gotten 0 weapons

[marble sail]

Give me a ring or wrists man im desperate

[tepid raven]

On either rogue

[marble sail]

[tepid raven]

I have 3 belts though

Not counting the rep one

[marble sail]

My bdk got 3 weapons and he already crafted his 2h :)

[vale pine]

time for a dagger craft

[tepid raven]

Yeah probably

I do it after the tuning for HC tho

[vale pine]

you can in theory just craft a non spark dagger

with crests

[carmine portal]

On 2 chars I've gotten duplicates from both weeks of hard prey bruh

2 weapons this week 2 cloaks last week

[vale pine]

most of them will be useless soon anyways

[tepid raven]

No point doing it now I’ve already done all the content this week

My RL wants us to save all that for next week as well so

[vale pine]

i still need to do pray, but done else

[vale pine]

👍

[tepid raven]

Is not really a big deal anyway

[carmine portal]

Prey seems alright, I like that you don't have to do tonnes of it a week for a quick reward.

[tepid raven]

Most of this optimising will be redundant in 2 weeks

[vale pine]

its worldquest+

[vocal pecan]

Any idea what our best embellishments are?

[carmine portal]

This is true, I hope with making it harder with the next level it's a challenge worth doing a once or twice a week

[hollow spear]

I don't expect it to ever be a real challenge if you're an above average player

It's not designed to be imo

[vale pine]

darkmoon hunt is great for dagger, 2nd one is to be decided as we likely see more tuning on items

[lethal dew]

we can craft 259 dagger right? Or should still save?

[vale pine]

i wonder how difficult the higher tier hunts will be

[vocal pecan]

I'll look into it. Tysm

[vale pine]

or if they just end up more hp and damage on the random add

[night sparrow]

But you take the risk to cast a GCD out of dance tho

[hollow spear]

Maybe they slap one easy don't stand in the fire mechanic on top

[jaunty heath]

are you holding breath for outlaw ?:D

[hollow spear]

I don't think they want to make it too hard. I expect a lot of the "I am just here to destress after work" people to do this and they cannot make it too tough for them.

Rightfully so, there's M+ and raid for sweats like us.

[tepid raven]

Yeah might as well it’s not like I lose anything for being careful

[hollow spear]

True

[tepid raven]

Although I kinda don’t see a way it’s not just Sub

[hollow spear]

But I just cannot see Outlaw being "it"

[jaunty heath]

i crafted dagger already, if its outlaw i will actually be mad and use some heroic mainhand

i think my performance in raid as outlaw would be below my standart anyway

[hot seal]

Craft a dagger so ur m0 goes faster

[tepid raven]

Me neither if only just because people generally have a pretty low view on it as a prog spec

[hot seal]

Kekkers

[tepid raven]

It’d need to be heavily overtuned imo to actually get a lot of play

[hollow spear]

Also what Sappucino said

[native zodiac]

Not many classes that are meta rn that would contest us for a mythic outlaw weapon rn either tbh as dh is going devourer

So you might just get one

[hollow spear]

It would have to sim like 20% higher than sub for me to get the same performance out of the two